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Speaker 1: Steve Devon and this is episode number two hundred and
Speaker 1: seven of Thinking Sideways. Really I did not know, yes,
Speaker 1: episode well, we call it out every week, but it's
Speaker 1: really easy to to kind of miss what number it is.
Speaker 1: And I realized, hey, we're getting up there. Wait, well,
Speaker 1: what do we do every week? Drink? Yeah? What you do?
Speaker 1: Just me water? Now, this week, as every week, we
Speaker 1: are going to be talking about a unsolved mystery. And
Speaker 1: since it's my turn, I decided that I would dig
Speaker 1: into the old history book and find us a rather
Speaker 1: old story. It is. Uh. This week we are going
Speaker 1: to talk about what a story that is. God, it's
Speaker 1: almost almost a hundred fifty years old at this point,
Speaker 1: and for dred and fifty years. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it happened in eighteen seventy, six hundred forty years h.
Speaker 1: I was just looking at the six I'm at yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: This week we're gonna be talking about the Kentucky meat Shour. Uh.
Speaker 1: And this is a listener suggestion. This was suggested by
Speaker 1: Blake and a whole bunch of other people. Blake's the
Speaker 1: first one that's on the list. But I know that
Speaker 1: we've gotten this many many times because this is an oldie,
Speaker 1: but a goodie, right, popular little story. It's a fun one.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it. You know what act if you're fun,
Speaker 1: if it's fun, if you're not actually there on the spot,
Speaker 1: well yeah, but you're not a cat. But Here's the
Speaker 1: thing is that you see this story one list and
Speaker 1: it seems like kind of a simple story and whatever.
Speaker 1: And then I actually started cutting into it and found
Speaker 1: out what was there. Was like, oh, this is good.
Speaker 1: I mean carving into carving into it. So let's turn
Speaker 1: up the heat and let's see what we can make happen. Alright,
Speaker 1: was the clumsy pun? It was, But it's my week
Speaker 1: and I'm always clumsy with the puns. Okay, shall we begin.
Speaker 1: Our story takes place on March third, eighteen seventy six,
Speaker 1: just outside the town of Olympia Springs, Kentucky. According to
Speaker 1: reporting at the time, Mrs Alan Crouch, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: being a woman, didn't deserve to have her name listed
Speaker 1: in the official recounting because it's the eighteen hundreds and
Speaker 1: she's a woman. Apparently, because I dug everywhere and I
Speaker 1: could not find her first name. Actually it's Mary. Did
Speaker 1: you find it? God? I kept looking and looking and
Speaker 1: look at it. It couldn't find it. It was really
Speaker 1: making me mad. Do you post some links about the story?
Speaker 1: Was it in there? It? No? Because I kept looking
Speaker 1: in the old newspaper archives and I think that's what
Speaker 1: was throwing me off. Okay, all right, well it is
Speaker 1: Mary Crouch, uh, and she was outside making soap, and
Speaker 1: she and her husband Alan were both in the yard.
Speaker 1: This is at sometime between the hours of eleven am
Speaker 1: to twelve o'clock, the meeting hours at some place they
Speaker 1: call it chapel our. Yeah, and they're out there, they're
Speaker 1: enjoying the day. This is, according to the official narrative,
Speaker 1: while they're working, when suddenly it began to rain. And
Speaker 1: we don't mean the normal kind of wet rain that
Speaker 1: you and I know a winter, right. Instead we mean
Speaker 1: the gross, meaty kind of rain, you know, the other
Speaker 1: kind of rain. Yeah. Yeah, there's there's wet rain, there's hail.
Speaker 1: And then apparently this story the next phase is meat.
Speaker 1: So so all of her getarian listeners, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: like this episode, um so, according to the official narrative, though,
Speaker 1: for somewhere between two to ten minutes, depending on the
Speaker 1: accounting that you read, Mary and Alan Crouch watched as
Speaker 1: what appeared to be small pieces of meat fell from
Speaker 1: the sky. They described they none of it was baking though,
Speaker 1: so it was terrible, but they described it as being
Speaker 1: quote delicate shreds as light as a snowflake unquote, while
Speaker 1: others were quote a solid lump three inches square unquote. Again,
Speaker 1: this is I've kind of found a bunch of sources
Speaker 1: kind of come up with my averages here. But my
Speaker 1: average size for the material that was falling out of
Speaker 1: the sky is somewhere is around five by five centimeters,
Speaker 1: which would convert to about two by two inches, with
Speaker 1: the largest chunks being somewhere between two and three times
Speaker 1: that size. So there, yeah, out of the sky at
Speaker 1: this point. So were the crouches the only people who
Speaker 1: saw this happen, Yes, so they are the only ones
Speaker 1: to witness the event. There will be others who very
Speaker 1: shortly show up, but they're the only witnesses that I
Speaker 1: can find record up to the meat actually falling from
Speaker 1: this guy. Correct. So the couple they watch in amazement
Speaker 1: and probably you know, stupefied as this is happening. Their cat, however,
Speaker 1: goes into an immediate feeding frenzy and runs outside and
Speaker 1: gorges itself on this sky sky filled bounty. Name uh full? Okay,
Speaker 1: So I have no idea what the it was. The
Speaker 1: cat was full a yeah, absolutely, like your typical farm
Speaker 1: cat in those days probably didn't get a great diet.
Speaker 1: Oh it's not. Yeah, no, no, it's not like you
Speaker 1: weren't feeding the cat and hoping that it would catch mice.
Speaker 1: The cat subsisted on whatever it costs. So this was
Speaker 1: a literal bounty from heaven. Yeah. Yeah. So the couple
Speaker 1: they watched this happen, shortly one or two people show
Speaker 1: up at their house. And this is weird because I
Speaker 1: don't understand why these in both of the names of
Speaker 1: these people, I can't really find record of did you
Speaker 1: find him? I did not, dang it. I screwed up
Speaker 1: in the first one, not the second one. But these
Speaker 1: people show up, and at least one of them actually
Speaker 1: ate the material that fell out of the sky. Would
Speaker 1: you eat that crap? Oh no, no no, But in
Speaker 1: this d and age, you know, we have different sensibilities.
Speaker 1: But at least one of the people did consume some
Speaker 1: of the material and said that it tasted like mutton. Alright,
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to say that I would have been
Speaker 1: above eating that. Yeah, I mean like today, yes, in
Speaker 1: like the eight hundreds, maybe not, maybe, maybe not, Okay.
Speaker 1: I would just be concerned that maybe there's some human
Speaker 1: flesh in there somewhere, and so I probably eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: I probably just would have assumed it was like God
Speaker 1: giving me something beautiful, and I'm kind of like a
Speaker 1: cat apparently just been like me, it's intended just for me.
Speaker 1: A well, remember to waive your paw when you need
Speaker 1: to use the box, and we'll take a break. Thank you. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the reporting that I have found, again, the numbers
Speaker 1: are going to vary from site to site that reported.
Speaker 1: But the meat fell on an area of approximately one
Speaker 1: hundred by fifty feet. If we convert that to meters,
Speaker 1: that's going to be thirty by fifteen meters, and it
Speaker 1: coded it pretty pretty solidly. But by the next day,
Speaker 1: of course, this material is all begun to spoil. It's
Speaker 1: all going south, which is not surprising. Mess I can
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine. All right, get up, honey, we gotta
Speaker 1: clean the meat off the fence and the law and everywhere.
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't imagine the screw. Just let it sit
Speaker 1: there and eventually dry out. It'll go away, get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's revolting. Yeah. Local scientists and investigators would come out
Speaker 1: to the home and they would collect samples and they
Speaker 1: would attempt to preserve them, and what they would do
Speaker 1: is they apparently they were putting them in jars a
Speaker 1: glycer in which um glycering is. Joe helped me. I
Speaker 1: suddenly cannot think of what that is. Hell, I can't
Speaker 1: remember either. It's like I didn't realize I didn't know.
Speaker 1: The only thing gliser is gonna do keep it from
Speaker 1: air well. Yeah, but it's also but that should also
Speaker 1: then keep it from decomposing, because it's Oh god, I
Speaker 1: know they used to use glycerin in a lot of
Speaker 1: old tiny stuff as a preservative. All I know is
Speaker 1: that they still have a few of these samples laying
Speaker 1: around in jars today, but those are preserved formaldehyde. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the formaldehyde is going to be for a long term preservation,
Speaker 1: much better. Yeah, obviously the glycer didn't quite cut the mustard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that seems silly. Yeah, they're still around. I had no
Speaker 1: idea if they still look like what they used to
Speaker 1: look like. But I don't know that they do. But
Speaker 1: could you You couldn't test them since they've been in formaldehyde,
Speaker 1: and I would I would say that after a hundred
Speaker 1: years and formaldehyde usable DNA has probably been destroyed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mentually you could probably still take slices, look at
Speaker 1: the cell structure maybe at least like if it's meat
Speaker 1: or something else. Yeah, we'll get into some of that
Speaker 1: in theories because we've got some information on that during
Speaker 1: the theory section. But for overall preservation, yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't look the same. Obviously. They don't look nice
Speaker 1: and fresh and pink and white like they did on
Speaker 1: day one when they fell in Mary and Alan Crouch's yard.
Speaker 1: Twinkies were originally based on you don't know, um, so
Speaker 1: the samples would be examined by scientists and a whole
Speaker 1: slew of suggestions would be made. Yeah, totally was, and
Speaker 1: people kept saying, oh, well, it's got to be this,
Speaker 1: it's gotta be that. I mean, some people said that
Speaker 1: it was bear meat, while others, I'm guessing based on
Speaker 1: the taste tests, said it was mutton. Yet others said
Speaker 1: that it was lung tissue, which is creepy and weird.
Speaker 1: And yet other people said that it had to be
Speaker 1: an analogy of some sort. So there's a huge bevy
Speaker 1: of theories of what this stuff really was that that
Speaker 1: showed up in these people's yard. I don't know that
Speaker 1: if somebody were to just you know, sit me down
Speaker 1: and say, taste this meat and tell me what you
Speaker 1: think it is. I definitely couldn't say like mutton necessarily,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, we don't need a lot
Speaker 1: of mutton. I was gonna say, actually, mutton is obscenely distinct.
Speaker 1: Is that? Yeah? I haven't eaten a whole lot of mutton,
Speaker 1: but I have eaten it, and it's it's one of
Speaker 1: those things where when you bite into it and you
Speaker 1: taste it, you know you have you ever had bear?
Speaker 1: I have not had bear, so maybe it's the same
Speaker 1: as bear. No bear again, Bear is one of those
Speaker 1: gamy animals that gamy animals all kind of taste the
Speaker 1: same as way as well, and gamy animals are much
Speaker 1: different than mutton. It's I don't know how to describe it.
Speaker 1: I'm not a foodie, that's true. I don't know either.
Speaker 1: If I haven't had muff, mutton is so many years
Speaker 1: after gotten how it tastes, so I had no idea.
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's a good No, No, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's good. I'm not a fan of much. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get some good emails about that. Oh well, that's fine.
Speaker 1: You know what I like to I like my sheep sheared,
Speaker 1: I don't like them barbecued, So that's that's fine with me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got a po box. Please send us button.
Speaker 1: No no no no no no no no no no,
Speaker 1: Please do not send us buttons. Okay, fine, okay, send
Speaker 1: us just jerky or something, Okay, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: Unlun well, actually this is kind of in line with
Speaker 1: your last one of your last episodes. The story was
Speaker 1: amazingly short, while we had a relatively decent section for theories,
Speaker 1: and we're in one of those again. Oh yeah, was
Speaker 1: it hell dot Com? I don't know. All I know
Speaker 1: is that we're about ten or fifteen minutes into this
Speaker 1: and we are already theories. Yeah, which is yeah, it
Speaker 1: just kind of it's the actual story itself. But mean,
Speaker 1: there was a big, you know, aftermath too, because it
Speaker 1: was speculated on for years like plus yea by scientists
Speaker 1: and everything, but especially still around the time that it happened, though,
Speaker 1: there was a matter of intense speculation for at least
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, a couple of months something like that.
Speaker 1: Actually I think a couple of years, because there was
Speaker 1: a couple of scientists who I remember the things that
Speaker 1: they wrote because they didn't get because it took so
Speaker 1: long for some of them to get the samples that
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, think about it. It's eighteen seventy six,
Speaker 1: and it takes a long time for a horse to
Speaker 1: travel across the country to deliver a vial of something
Speaker 1: for somebody to look at. So we actually was years
Speaker 1: that this thing continued to have information, not necessarily new information,
Speaker 1: but information per se to come out about it. Did
Speaker 1: you see, by the way, that that that plaque that's
Speaker 1: along the side of the road somewhere in the Olympia Springs?
Speaker 1: What this this sounds familiar, but please refresh my memory, sir. Well,
Speaker 1: if you go to the maps and you type in
Speaker 1: Olympia Springs, Kentucky, and then you know pictures on the left,
Speaker 1: you know, so you click on the picture and it's
Speaker 1: his plaque. It's a roadside plaque, really nice like bronze plaque,
Speaker 1: and everything talks about Oh, you know, in this year,
Speaker 1: you know, the citizens of Lexington came out to what
Speaker 1: was it called mud Lick Springs. That's what the springs
Speaker 1: ever called mud Lick Springs? And wait, I thought it
Speaker 1: was the escaped the collar epidemic or something. And in
Speaker 1: this year the Battle of eighteen twelve this happened. Then
Speaker 1: in this year theout the Civil War battle was fought nearby.
Speaker 1: But they didn't mention the meat shower at all. Interestingly enough,
Speaker 1: maybe they're embarrassed about it. I don't know, it's gonna
Speaker 1: say they're they're in the meat closet. Yeah, that is
Speaker 1: just that is just unfortunate. Yeah, so I guess we're
Speaker 1: ready to talk about all right away. Let's just dive
Speaker 1: into theories. A little butter in the panel, Let's see
Speaker 1: what comes out. You've never cooked meat. I don't think
Speaker 1: you've ever cooked meat, is what I'm starting to think.
Speaker 1: Oh wait a second. You have never taken a piece
Speaker 1: of beef and thrown had gotten sizzling hot butter and
Speaker 1: thrown a thin piece of beef in the pan. Of
Speaker 1: course I have. I just keep questioning your insistence that
Speaker 1: we're just gonna quote see what comes out, like you
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to come out of that pan
Speaker 1: that you've just put in. Listen, I'm trying to maintain
Speaker 1: an air of mystery. Year. Come on, we're a mystery podcast, alright. Nobody, nobody,
Speaker 1: can smell the aroma of what I'm cooking. Theories, Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: theory number one, Well, this was the initial suggestion is
Speaker 1: that it was a bacteria. According to a man named
Speaker 1: Leopold Brandies, the material was actually cyano bacteriak algae, and
Speaker 1: this particular algae was known to look powdery and rather
Speaker 1: unassuming when it was dry, but when it was wet,
Speaker 1: it would swell up when it came into contact with water.
Speaker 1: And I think we've all probably seen this kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: because it's weird powdery stuff. You'll see on the forest
Speaker 1: floor around the base of trees sometimes and then you'll
Speaker 1: come by and it's this weird kind of whitish, gelatinous
Speaker 1: jelly stuff during a rainstorm. That's the kind of stuff
Speaker 1: that he's talking about here. He said that what had
Speaker 1: actually happened was that this stuff was around the area
Speaker 1: and all over the property of the Crouches and that
Speaker 1: and somehow it got wet. This is a little contrary
Speaker 1: to the story, of course, because according to the Crouches
Speaker 1: it was a nice cloudless blue sky day. So where
Speaker 1: the water come from from? Well, yeah, the well, the
Speaker 1: thing about it is is like if it's been present
Speaker 1: in their yard. Wouldn't this be happening routinely? And that's
Speaker 1: exactly exactly the problem with this, this initial theory. And
Speaker 1: to answer Devon's question, what he's saying is that this
Speaker 1: stuff swelled up and then they immediately grabbed it and
Speaker 1: threw it in the glycerin so that it didn't dry
Speaker 1: back out. Sure, No, that's fine, that's not what I'm asking.
Speaker 1: I'm asking like they're saying, well, like, where did the
Speaker 1: water come from? I don't know. I feel like I
Speaker 1: can explain where water just happened to appear way better
Speaker 1: than I can explain where meat just happened to appear,
Speaker 1: because they're saying like it was a cloudless, beautiful day
Speaker 1: and the meat just came raining down from nowhere. Like
Speaker 1: I'm way happier to especially living in Portland, Oregon, where
Speaker 1: I know you can look up even it's pouring rain
Speaker 1: on you, and you can look up and it's blue
Speaker 1: sky right above you, and somehow it's pouring rain on you.
Speaker 1: Happy that we would have nicknamed this meat algae a
Speaker 1: long time ago if it looked like meat when it
Speaker 1: got wet. Well, we don't know that the crouches were
Speaker 1: particularly intelligent humans. I mean, just in general. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to just it was a bacterium mutation, you know,
Speaker 1: if this was something that happened naturally on a regular
Speaker 1: basis to look like this, because in the descriptions, and
Speaker 1: here's what we haven't talked about so far, is in
Speaker 1: the descriptions, like people took the knife to this material
Speaker 1: and said that it had the striations of muscle with
Speaker 1: little bits of gristle and fat in it, Like it
Speaker 1: looked like you cut it out of a cow or
Speaker 1: a pig or a chicken or whatever, not gelatinous like
Speaker 1: you would expect something to be if it was just
Speaker 1: a cyanobacteria that swelled up at the introduction of moisture.
Speaker 1: So the problem with this is right off the bat,
Speaker 1: that does none of that make sense? I think another
Speaker 1: problem with it, too, is that there was reportedly blood
Speaker 1: on the ground around around the chunks of meat. There
Speaker 1: was some blood. Was it blood? I struggled with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean go ahead, Joe, I because I was like,
Speaker 1: reportedly people said that there was some there was some
Speaker 1: red stuff presumably blood on the ground, and so it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know that would come from me, but from this
Speaker 1: bacteria stuff. Probably not. Yeah. Plus, you know, bacteria has
Speaker 1: been scientifically proven cannot tastes like mutton. Yeah. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: has done extensive studies on this. No, I agree, it's
Speaker 1: it's a bad theory. I just wanted to know. No,
Speaker 1: you just wanted to put more holes in it. I
Speaker 1: totally understand. Let's let's move on to the next theory,
Speaker 1: which I have titled space meat. Well, you know it
Speaker 1: does microwave quite well. But space meat was one of
Speaker 1: the very first and honestly funniest explanations from the time
Speaker 1: that this happened. According to the reports by the quote
Speaker 1: unquote experts, the meat was actually from meteors and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know how we're spelling meat yours,
Speaker 1: but it was from meteors that had come into contact
Speaker 1: with the Earth and fallen from space backwards. I mean,
Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't don't they fall from space and then
Speaker 1: come into contact with the Earth. I think this is
Speaker 1: I think with the way I wrote this was, I
Speaker 1: meant it came into contact with the Earth's gravitational pull
Speaker 1: and fell from space. Um, but you love it. If
Speaker 1: you want to finish this, well yeah, sure, I just
Speaker 1: want to clarify this as a theory from Yeah, totally, totally,
Speaker 1: this is from is going to make that very clear. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the theory goes, because there was no bone fragments
Speaker 1: found in any of this material, it must have been
Speaker 1: the remnants of an exploded planet of creatures that had
Speaker 1: come into the path of our planet. And then of
Speaker 1: course that debris field of exploded rock and planet and
Speaker 1: creature matter was then drawn in and fell to the
Speaker 1: Earth from space because we went through the debris field
Speaker 1: of that dead world. And so so it's all aliens.
Speaker 1: This is literally it's alien chunks. Is what was falling
Speaker 1: from the sky of spectacular like meteor crashes around that
Speaker 1: time too, though, right ye if yeah, rock meteors, yes,
Speaker 1: not meteors. Yes, you're right. If if this were true,
Speaker 1: there should have been a lot of meteors coming from
Speaker 1: the sky in general, in in the time frame. No,
Speaker 1: there's not. I'm sorry, simpler thing, If this were true,
Speaker 1: the meat would have been cooked or vaporized. It should
Speaker 1: have been burned up on re entry. Yes, yeah, you
Speaker 1: would think it would at least be medium. Well, but no,
Speaker 1: that is like a monster. Well, although I guess on
Speaker 1: the other hand, and just to you know, play the
Speaker 1: aliens advocate for a minute. We don't know what life
Speaker 1: looks like on other planets. For all we know there
Speaker 1: is some sort of meat that is resistant to high velocity.
Speaker 1: It does need to be cooked at a thousand degrees
Speaker 1: for forty seven minutes. Yeah that the surface of their
Speaker 1: planet is like a thousand degrees So yeah, this is
Speaker 1: like a chilly day for that. Yeah, we're actually keeping
Speaker 1: the meat nice and cool for that. You know, this
Speaker 1: is this is it's fun. It's a fun bunk theory
Speaker 1: because it is literally from the era eighteen seventies six
Speaker 1: theory before anybody actually knew how space worked or had
Speaker 1: a good, you know, better understanding of how space worked
Speaker 1: than it wasn't a commonplace and there were there were
Speaker 1: people that understood gravity and and all that stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I was trying to So there were actually
Speaker 1: alien creatures and trunks of aliens that came down to Earth.
Speaker 1: That's what this is a recounting. But you know, we
Speaker 1: know that because we know this isn't because everyone knows
Speaker 1: that aliens tastes like chicken and not mutton, which I mean,
Speaker 1: really is the bar that I'm working on. Well, it
Speaker 1: actually makes no sense too, because I mean, the aliens
Speaker 1: always eat us. We never do we ever write the
Speaker 1: aliens in the move No, no, now we we run
Speaker 1: from the aliens. We dropped the baseball bat when we
Speaker 1: beat the bad guy. Yeah, none of this, none of
Speaker 1: this is actually happening. Um okay. So the next theory
Speaker 1: that and this is also from the time. The next
Speaker 1: theory is that this is meat products from heaven according
Speaker 1: to this theory. And please don't interrupt me, because I
Speaker 1: wrote this and I'm very happy with the way I
Speaker 1: crafted this sentence. It says, God giveth and God taketh,
Speaker 1: and in this instance, he gave it the people of
Speaker 1: Olympia a rain of meat. So that was probably from
Speaker 1: the local preacher and the actual entire theory right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's entirely what I made up. Because there were
Speaker 1: I'm being a bit of a jerk, coming a bit
Speaker 1: of a pill about this. There were men of the
Speaker 1: cloth at the time who were saying that this was
Speaker 1: a bounty provided by God. But were they the ones
Speaker 1: eating it? But they were not the ones eating it,
Speaker 1: and it was I mean, if this was something that
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna. I'm not trying to be a jerk here,
Speaker 1: but if this was something that the Lord was going
Speaker 1: to give on a regular basis to his flock, then
Speaker 1: we would have seen it on a regular basis, and
Speaker 1: that was not the case. So it's really I think
Speaker 1: it's a preacher trying to explain something and not freak
Speaker 1: as parishioners out. Maybe Alan and first name redacted Crouch,
Speaker 1: we're just so holy and good that they're the only
Speaker 1: people in history who have ever deserved a bounty like this.
Speaker 1: You know. I bet I bet every day they were
Speaker 1: wonder both that we're just praying for some good meat,
Speaker 1: you know, God, I would just give anything Lord for,
Speaker 1: you know. And then finally got the Lord just said
Speaker 1: I'm so second crap. I just gotta dump some meat
Speaker 1: on him and say, okay, no more, no more prayers.
Speaker 1: Now it's like, Alan, will you just will you learn
Speaker 1: how to shoot and actually kills something to eat? That
Speaker 1: might be what it was. Maybe, yeah, it's hard to say.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm thinking. God got fed up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the theory. Sorry to all the Christians.
Speaker 1: We oh yeah, no, no, We're I'm making fun again.
Speaker 1: This in the last theory, we're kind of making fun
Speaker 1: of people of the time. I don't want to make
Speaker 1: fun of the faith on making fun of the people
Speaker 1: at the time. So we we have more theories that
Speaker 1: we want to go through. I mean, I mean, this
Speaker 1: would be a short otherwise, So let's keep going as
Speaker 1: I would like to say, let's fry up some fun. Uh.
Speaker 1: You spent the entire almost break talking thinking about that,
Speaker 1: didn't you know? I did? Totally did, I admit it.
Speaker 1: Our next theory is vulture vomit. Yeah. Yeah, people ate that, Steve,
Speaker 1: what you know, I mean, ulties eat that craft. So
Speaker 1: why not people to Let's just go into the theory. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: after real scientists got their hands on the collected samples,
Speaker 1: they figured out that the stuff that had been collected
Speaker 1: actually had a structure to it that proved that it
Speaker 1: was from an animal and not from a plant or
Speaker 1: of bacteria. In other words, it, like I said before,
Speaker 1: it had that that striation structure that you'll see in
Speaker 1: in red meat. Yeah, like muscle fibers. Yeah, exactly. And
Speaker 1: the same scientists believe that the material was this is
Speaker 1: a weird combination of locations. But they said it was
Speaker 1: likely from the lungs of horses or the lungs of infants,
Speaker 1: human infants, same thing, usually about the same size. Nay, yeah,
Speaker 1: God yeah, I don't know why, but I never actually,
Speaker 1: like you know, got myself along and like kind of
Speaker 1: looked at it. I wouldn't think it would look like
Speaker 1: red meat. No, it's it's a weird thing. But but
Speaker 1: there's there's a guy by the name of Dr. L. D.
Speaker 1: Casting Bind who looked at the samples and uh, in
Speaker 1: their state. He decided that the answer was perfectly obvious
Speaker 1: and well, no, not necessarily lungs, because the lung was
Speaker 1: the initial the initial people of folks who examined it,
Speaker 1: actual scientists who examined it, said oh, well, it's gotta
Speaker 1: be lungs. And then this guy gets ahold of it,
Speaker 1: and according to him, he's the one that came up
Speaker 1: with the whole vulture vomit theory. He says, yes, it
Speaker 1: probably is meat chunks that were from the meat of animals,
Speaker 1: not necessarily lungs per se. But what's happening is that
Speaker 1: the meat product was all carried into the sky above
Speaker 1: the crouches homes by vultures because and this is actually
Speaker 1: an own thing. Vultures are known to regurgitate their meals
Speaker 1: a k A. Barfett back up and they if they've
Speaker 1: if they've eaten too much, they will do this. And
Speaker 1: if they need to fly and they're too heavy, they
Speaker 1: will do this. Now, to be honest or to be
Speaker 1: frank about it, they normally do this not because oh God,
Speaker 1: I too much and I just can't fly it's too
Speaker 1: much work. No, it's because something is scared them and
Speaker 1: panicked them and they can't immediately ascend into the sky.
Speaker 1: So at that point then they expel the contents of
Speaker 1: their stomach to lighten themselves up. It's a defensive mechanism. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was only when they were threatened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's when they're threatened. It's not just oh I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have eaten that second cheeseburger. M just gonna let that
Speaker 1: thing come back up and then we'll we'll go down
Speaker 1: the street. I mean, that's not the way it works.
Speaker 1: Also heard that it helps to deter I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, any kind of predators. The the I'm
Speaker 1: gonna barf on you, dude defense mechanism has been used
Speaker 1: by vultures and whimpy college dudes for years. But I
Speaker 1: don't have some problems with this. Oh yeah, well, and
Speaker 1: I mean there's lots of problems really, and I think
Speaker 1: it's perfect theory. Oh well, so, so here's something that
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about. Um. I read on vultures and
Speaker 1: this is not my area of expertise ornithology. I mean,
Speaker 1: I did a bunch of work on the Washington Eagle,
Speaker 1: but this barfing to get higher thing is not is
Speaker 1: really my area. So I read a vulture expert. I
Speaker 1: don't think we have one of those. Yet we have
Speaker 1: to expand the podcast. Yeah. I looked at the list
Speaker 1: and I didn't see anybody that was a vulture vulture
Speaker 1: all would you call it a vulture alogists, vultulogist, or
Speaker 1: just a regular ornithologists with a minor in vultures? You
Speaker 1: mean with an emphasis and emphasis, yes, emphasis, I'd call
Speaker 1: them a vulturologists. Um. But no, The point is I
Speaker 1: don't really know that they just do this so that
Speaker 1: they can ascend higher into the sky. You know, it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm only at four thousand feet, but I want to
Speaker 1: get to five thousand, So let me herc up like
Speaker 1: everything I've ever understood about vultures is that they only
Speaker 1: do it as like a fight or flight mechanism, not
Speaker 1: like just because they want to fly higher. You would
Speaker 1: think that mean if you're actually flying that you wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to be doing it because you'd like, you know,
Speaker 1: you you've got winds, you've got wind speed, you know,
Speaker 1: and your hurl and all that crap is going to
Speaker 1: go right in your eyes. Well more than that, I mean,
Speaker 1: like your your primary mechanism as an animal is to survive, right,
Speaker 1: and if you can keep your energy source aka food
Speaker 1: in your body, you'd like to hang on to that
Speaker 1: escape or Yeah, but if if the choice is I mean,
Speaker 1: humans do this too, Like in in we you see
Speaker 1: marathoners do this sometimes in an extreme exertion situations. Bodies
Speaker 1: do sometimes just expel, expel in any way they possibly
Speaker 1: can um and so you know, it's I think it's
Speaker 1: that same thing where it's like if they are in
Speaker 1: severe danger, they will do this because it helps them
Speaker 1: get away. But other than that, there's no reason. Too hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm really glad it is that whenever I've
Speaker 1: run and every run really hard, I have not actually
Speaker 1: experienced that expulsion. I'm really glad that I've never had
Speaker 1: to do that a few times and i've been working out,
Speaker 1: I've really pushed it a little too far and I
Speaker 1: felt i'd have a puked, but I felt kind of nauseous. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: last weekend's race, I was really sad that I'd ate
Speaker 1: that pestro rap. I was like for the first mile
Speaker 1: and a half like that was the worst thing I
Speaker 1: ever did. But but so it's yeah, so I don't
Speaker 1: know that they would necessarily do that to attain more altitude.
Speaker 1: But let's ignore that for the moment. Let's just talk
Speaker 1: about the herking ability of vultures, because it is rather epic.
Speaker 1: I also wonder, sorry just to do I also wonder,
Speaker 1: like how many vultures would have had to be herking
Speaker 1: at the exact same time. Hold hold that, hold that thought, yep,
Speaker 1: old a little longer, just choke it back. Um Now, okay,
Speaker 1: so if we look at because yes, vultures, as we've
Speaker 1: talked about, are known for expelling the contents of their
Speaker 1: stomach is a defensive move. They've actually got a pretty
Speaker 1: compressive range. According to what I've read, they can herk
Speaker 1: up to ten feet which converts to about three meters
Speaker 1: in self defense, I won't get any closer than that. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean there was the whole will think
Speaker 1: about the family cat running around to eat up this material,
Speaker 1: so I could see maybe that was a self defense
Speaker 1: mechanism against the cat. Although then that says that there
Speaker 1: was a whole flock of them, and then they were
Speaker 1: doing it in mask, and I've never seen anything that
Speaker 1: says that vultures barf in mask. The trip I was on, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but I have heard that they influence each
Speaker 1: other and they'll follow suit and I'll barf and not
Speaker 1: in unison. But vulture can make his friends. But I
Speaker 1: really doubt the cat was I mean, I you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, vultures are big and they can be very aggressive,
Speaker 1: so I would not I don't think a house cat
Speaker 1: unless they were withholding the fact that their cat was
Speaker 1: actually like a freaking cougar or something like. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean no, like it had to be bigger than that,
Speaker 1: I think, because they like vultures will they are not
Speaker 1: They're shy. Yeah, so I think it would have taken
Speaker 1: a really, really really big cat to scare them. But
Speaker 1: not well, okay, so let's let's um, I have a
Speaker 1: couple of ideas here. Let's let's no pun intended flesh
Speaker 1: this out a little bit. I really wasn't intending for
Speaker 1: that pun. I just realized what was coming. So during
Speaker 1: the day or in the morning of the day that
Speaker 1: this event took place, Mary Crouch was said that she
Speaker 1: was in the process of making soap. She was soap
Speaker 1: for whatever they needed, whether it be for you know,
Speaker 1: washing your hands or washing your clothes. She's making soap
Speaker 1: themselves exactly well, to make soap from scratch, from literal scratch,
Speaker 1: you need to make lie, which you make from wood
Speaker 1: ash and animal fats and oils which you boil. And
Speaker 1: so we don't know and by the way, we don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what stage of the process of making soape
Speaker 1: she was at in so she could have potentially been
Speaker 1: rendering fat at that time. And to render fat, which
Speaker 1: you know, let's just say it's from sheep. I'm saying
Speaker 1: it's from sheep because of the whole mutton flavored thing.
Speaker 1: But what you have to do is you have to
Speaker 1: go ahead and you have to put the fat in water,
Speaker 1: and then you that with the lie which you've already boiled,
Speaker 1: the lie comes up to the top, and then you
Speaker 1: throw the fats in and the oils in, and you
Speaker 1: render it until all the chunky bits are gone, and
Speaker 1: then you're scooping that off of the top. And by
Speaker 1: the way, this is the basest description of how to
Speaker 1: make soap. And like the volumes are important, there's a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of information I'm not going into because well,
Speaker 1: that's science that we don't need to worry about too much.
Speaker 1: But the point is that if she wasn't very good
Speaker 1: at what she was doing, she could have at her
Speaker 1: volumes off, or she could have had a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of this material laying around on the ground a fats,
Speaker 1: which would have attracted vultures because god knows how long
Speaker 1: that fat sat there. So you leave a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of scrap fat round and there's vultures in the area,
Speaker 1: they're going to come to it because it's free food.
Speaker 1: Would have noticed them right the bathroom. Well, okay, so
Speaker 1: let's let's ignore Mrs Crouch for the time being, because
Speaker 1: the point of the matter is all of these birds
Speaker 1: are there and they are now eating the fat that
Speaker 1: she has laid out that she intends to render and
Speaker 1: then somehow, whether it be her running out and yelling
Speaker 1: at them or her husband shooting off a gun, they
Speaker 1: somehow startled the flow. What do you call the flock
Speaker 1: of vultures by the way, barthology, I mean, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, whatever it is, the whole flock of them
Speaker 1: gets startled and in there they're fleeing from the scene.
Speaker 1: They all herk up the materials that she had previously
Speaker 1: laid out, and they had been eaten, and they spew
Speaker 1: it all over the front yard. Okay, that's entirely possible.
Speaker 1: This is my theory because there's because really there's no
Speaker 1: good theory. There was the whole the space meat and
Speaker 1: you know it's mutton, but really there's no good theory.
Speaker 1: So what I've been doing is like, okay, well, let's
Speaker 1: look at the root of the story. And the root
Speaker 1: of the story is Mr and Mrs Crouch were making soap,
Speaker 1: so let's look at what's involved in the process. The
Speaker 1: vulture vomit theory is from the time, So now I'm saying, okay, well,
Speaker 1: let's let's hypothesize from there. It's total conjecture. I totally
Speaker 1: get that. And Cathy were wondering. Group of vultures who
Speaker 1: are in flight is a cattle. A group of vultures
Speaker 1: when they're resting in trees is called a committee, and
Speaker 1: a group of vultures that are feeding is called awake.
Speaker 1: I love it. Awake, awake, a cattle awake, and a committee.
Speaker 1: I've actually heard of a committee, had not awake before,
Speaker 1: but that's a great one. So we're referring to awake. Yes,
Speaker 1: of vultures right now feeding then become a cattle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's so ludicrous too. I Mean, my
Speaker 1: problem a little bit comes in when we start talking
Speaker 1: about if the vultures were eating and then like regurgitating.
Speaker 1: It sounds like what they regurgitating was more like traditional
Speaker 1: meat bits, not like fatty bits. Right. But other than that,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not I can find some buy into
Speaker 1: this theory of you know, maybe she's got her giant
Speaker 1: that starting to boil over a fire outside right or
Speaker 1: over whatever, she's you know, warming it in and she's
Speaker 1: got all her stuff flaying out there, and she goes
Speaker 1: back in the house to do some other chores. You know.
Speaker 1: Mr Crauch is also in there, the cats in there.
Speaker 1: I don't the cat didn't scare them, but you know what,
Speaker 1: the cat needs to be involved. Great, Um, they're all
Speaker 1: in the house and then you know, she comes out
Speaker 1: only to find there's a awake of vultures feeding on
Speaker 1: her fatty bits and she just goes nah, and they
Speaker 1: just go who and then fly away and then or
Speaker 1: maybe they start to fly away because I don't know
Speaker 1: how the mechanism works here. No, I mean, I just
Speaker 1: I don't know how the mechanism works. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's like a vulture takes off and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh crap, I'm going too slow, I'm gonna throw up,
Speaker 1: or if they like see the fear thing and they
Speaker 1: just go who and then like take off. But it
Speaker 1: is I guess it's possible because since we don't know
Speaker 1: the mechanism, they take off and then meat just starts
Speaker 1: raining down from the sky and they're like, what in
Speaker 1: the world, Alan comes see? This is what is going on? Okay,
Speaker 1: and and and that and and that is the explo nation.
Speaker 1: I'm going to play that into this theory and the
Speaker 1: next one. And I wasn't going to talk about it
Speaker 1: until then, But it is that the crouches may have
Speaker 1: seen the propulsion of meat out of these vultures and said,
Speaker 1: we are never telling anybody about that. Uh, this meat
Speaker 1: just suddenly appeared out of the sky, because I don't
Speaker 1: want anybody to know that we cause this because it's gross.
Speaker 1: But of course people are going to show up at
Speaker 1: our house soon and they're gonna see this stuff everywhere.
Speaker 1: We have to have an answer for it. So I
Speaker 1: mean that that would explain like they they may have.
Speaker 1: They may have narrated their own the story in a
Speaker 1: manner that avoided where they looked like the idiots for
Speaker 1: causing it by startling all of these creatures. I don't
Speaker 1: think they would make him look like idiots. But it
Speaker 1: could have just been a passing kettle of crows too.
Speaker 1: I mean, they could have just like been flying by
Speaker 1: and something scared him. Maybe somebody Frank Herbie, you know,
Speaker 1: there's the high strong one, you know, and they pushed
Speaker 1: a little too far. We hurled, and everybody, I'll started
Speaker 1: hurling the next thing and early, yeah, hurly the high
Speaker 1: strung vulture, and the next thing, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: like all over these guys down below. Sorry guys, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that could have been flying by way high. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: of the theory so far, this is my favorite theory,
Speaker 1: but I still want, like a good thing, let me
Speaker 1: give you another theory, because again I the theories that
Speaker 1: are from the raws and today are really weak. And
Speaker 1: so I started again looking back at what was going
Speaker 1: on to try and get an idea, and um, bad
Speaker 1: science is what I'm going to call title this theory.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that they were making soap, and
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about the process of the
Speaker 1: things that you have to put into to make soap
Speaker 1: at this time. But what one of the things you
Speaker 1: need to be doing is again, you need to be
Speaker 1: boiling the ash to make lie, and then you need
Speaker 1: to have a good, good hot fire that's going for
Speaker 1: at least half an hour to an hour to get
Speaker 1: that to boil the ride, and then you've got to
Speaker 1: start adding the other materials in. Well, it's completely possible
Speaker 1: that Mary Crouch was really bad at this, and possibly
Speaker 1: even worse trying to find a way to shortcut the
Speaker 1: process up. She may have thought, well, you know, doing
Speaker 1: this all in a kettle or in a giant pot
Speaker 1: takes forever. It's hard to keep hot, it's hard to
Speaker 1: keep the fire going, you know what a fire were?
Speaker 1: Did she use a pressure cooker, because pressure cookers in
Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds were a thing. They were available,
Speaker 1: they but they were not nearly as accurate or reliable
Speaker 1: or fool proof as they are today. And so let's
Speaker 1: suppose for a minute that she is trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how to do this in a pressure cooker and
Speaker 1: she completely floods it, and pressure cookers were known to explode,
Speaker 1: and so if she's sometimes yeah, so she has chucked
Speaker 1: all this medium material in there in an attempt to
Speaker 1: pressure cook it and rend it and turn it into liquid.
Speaker 1: And then that that container that she is using, whatever
Speaker 1: kind of pressure cooker it is, because there was I
Speaker 1: think I read about five or six specific brands at
Speaker 1: the time, and they all had flaws. But that thing
Speaker 1: then literally explodes. That would explain the hundred foot long
Speaker 1: by fifty foot wide spread of material on their property,
Speaker 1: because I mean, that's a lot of pressure. Might have
Speaker 1: been using the pressure cooker and not actually had any
Speaker 1: meaty stuff in it either, but maybe like a neighbor
Speaker 1: kid came by or something when that went off, and
Speaker 1: in the aftermathic going like, um, I don't know, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, some some other neighbors starts
Speaker 1: showing up, you know, and and they're going, like, what's happening?
Speaker 1: Man say, uh, well, you know, suddenly just rained out
Speaker 1: of the sky over here. Oh I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: if this pressure cooker explodes, right, since we don't really
Speaker 1: know where Alan was, if he was out working in
Speaker 1: the field or something, and he just comes running and
Speaker 1: he's like he was falling from the sky, and Mary goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I don't. I think it would have put
Speaker 1: the two together though they here this big kaboom and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden crap falls out of the sky.
Speaker 1: I usually associate those Joe, You're you're presuming that Alan
Speaker 1: was a relatively smart man. I've known more than one
Speaker 1: dude on a farm who would hear a loud boom
Speaker 1: and then see meat falling from the sky and say
Speaker 1: it thundered meat. He could also have been hard of
Speaker 1: hearing and not have heard it. He could have been
Speaker 1: working like in the fields and not hurt it. You know,
Speaker 1: meat comes from the skies. And she goes, Ellen is
Speaker 1: going to kill me, And then lucky her, he comes running.
Speaker 1: He's like, did you see this meat raining from the
Speaker 1: sky and she's like, yeah, so weird. Also, the soap
Speaker 1: is not gonna get done today. And by the way,
Speaker 1: bad I got so distracted by the meat following that
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what happened. I burned it.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's possible. Well, yeah, I also thought other series
Speaker 1: would be like just some anarchists were making some bombs,
Speaker 1: some big bombs, and the next farm over something like
Speaker 1: that and blew themselves all the hell and there were
Speaker 1: no bones. Yeah. That that is a key point is
Speaker 1: that we haven't talked about this before. Is that in
Speaker 1: the and I keep calling it material a real because
Speaker 1: I mean, keep calling it meat. But in the material
Speaker 1: it's fibrous tissue that is similar to meats and fats
Speaker 1: and sinew, but there is no actual bone in there.
Speaker 1: That's something to think about. I don't know what it means.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what any of this means.
Speaker 1: But I do know that the description that we just
Speaker 1: gave there means that we have to move to the
Speaker 1: next theory because we have one more theory left. Well,
Speaker 1: I was going to talk about I want to talk
Speaker 1: for a minute about Oh yeah, please, the Oregon meat shower.
Speaker 1: What we had a meat shower in Oregon? Did you
Speaker 1: not know about this? Did we? Yeah? We did? It
Speaker 1: was back I think early seventies. Whale. Yeah you've heard
Speaker 1: about the whale, right I have. I was going to
Speaker 1: make a tale about your mom making soap. Yeah, go ahead, Joe,
Speaker 1: tell our listeners. We know, but yeah they might not.
Speaker 1: But not everybody's heard this story. But yeah, this this
Speaker 1: freaking huge whale beach just off on the Oregon coast
Speaker 1: and this was decades ago. But and actually, if you
Speaker 1: look on YouTube, you can watch the news footage. Here's
Speaker 1: here's my favorite thing about the news footage. Oh god,
Speaker 1: oh god. Yeah. But they were wondering how to get
Speaker 1: this because it was it beats itself. And then after
Speaker 1: a few days it started to stank up the place
Speaker 1: really good, and so they decided to blow it up
Speaker 1: with dynamite and uh yeah, it turns out it didn't
Speaker 1: work out so well. But apparently, and you heard that,
Speaker 1: like like one guy got his car total because it's
Speaker 1: huge chuck of whale blow the landing on top of it,
Speaker 1: and yeah and uh yeah, and but luckily nobody got killed. Amazingly,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could total a bug. Imagine it
Speaker 1: could have killed somebody, but it didn't. But yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the Oregan meat shower, a mystery nobody knows. I
Speaker 1: believe the organ Department of Transfer Patition was the ones
Speaker 1: that were responsible for the idea to blow it up.
Speaker 1: They owe Todd was the one who said, you know,
Speaker 1: I have a really good idea on how to get
Speaker 1: rid of that. Let's just blow it up. Actually, that's
Speaker 1: about the worst segue to our final theory. No, no,
Speaker 1: they kind of they kind of like they both start
Speaker 1: at the beach. Yeah. Yeah, so let's let's move into
Speaker 1: our final theory, because really I've got two paragraphs that
Speaker 1: spanned two pages. The last theory is water spout with
Speaker 1: question mark at the end, water spout. There we go.
Speaker 1: Set it right this time. I'm gonna say, just channel
Speaker 1: your normal speaking. I know, I was like, wait, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to use my podcast, your voice. Let me just
Speaker 1: talk normal. No reporting at the time, reports at a
Speaker 1: kind of strange weather patterns at all, But let's ignore
Speaker 1: that because it's eighteen seventy six. My favorite theories ever
Speaker 1: always start with like, here are the facts, but let's
Speaker 1: ignore all of them and talk about well, the problem
Speaker 1: is is that the reporting is so shoddy. I understand.
Speaker 1: I just like the basis of what you're saying. You're
Speaker 1: like the way I say that, don't ignore this, but
Speaker 1: let's ignore it anyway. Yeah, well that's that's because I
Speaker 1: have more better math. But let's just think about this.
Speaker 1: So there is the possibility that well, I mean, water
Speaker 1: spouts are thing. Water spouts are little tornadoes that suck
Speaker 1: things up out of water bodies of water and then
Speaker 1: carry them and send them across great distances before depositing
Speaker 1: them back onto the earth in some unrelated location. Sometimes
Speaker 1: the water spout itself travels there, and sometimes it basically
Speaker 1: funnels it in a giant arc and then spits it
Speaker 1: out and it eventually all falls into one area. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know. Well I checked in and actually this area
Speaker 1: of Kentucky is kind of on the bleeding edge of
Speaker 1: Tornado Country. Yeah, it's like it's like way on the
Speaker 1: That's why I didn't I was. I really struggled with
Speaker 1: one because it's not in Tornado Alley and it's just
Speaker 1: such a it's it's in an area it's like like right,
Speaker 1: it's like I said, way on the edge of it
Speaker 1: doesn't get much activity, but a little bit more than
Speaker 1: we get here. A tornado touchdown in Oregon today, So
Speaker 1: it does happen. Just because it's not like prime tornado
Speaker 1: area does not mean that's That's exactly the reason that
Speaker 1: I didn't just toss this out, because I mean, we
Speaker 1: had one today. These things happened. I got hailed on
Speaker 1: today for no particular reason, but it happened. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: you know, and that's the reason I kind of like
Speaker 1: the water spout slash tornado theory because I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just one event that can pick something up and deposited
Speaker 1: neatly somewhere else. It's a freaking tornado, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: really won't do that. Yeah, explosion will sense stuff like
Speaker 1: all directions, but in vomit vomit will do the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's not really unidirectional, but water spout maybe potentially could.
Speaker 1: So Okay, so let me let me run through this.
Speaker 1: Let me me read through what it got written here,
Speaker 1: which is that if some kind of water spout or
Speaker 1: mini twister were happened to come into the area and
Speaker 1: we'll suck up some kind of weird material that it
Speaker 1: would then deposit on the crouches property. Well, if we
Speaker 1: look about ten to fifteen miles away, which by the way,
Speaker 1: this converts to sixteen four kilometers, there's the town of Farmers, uh,
Speaker 1: and that at the time was sort of industrial town
Speaker 1: and it had to it's the I know, I'm going
Speaker 1: to mispronounce this. Was that the Licking River, You know
Speaker 1: what I say, I'm mispronouncing it because it looks too easy.
Speaker 1: It looks like licking but it's probably Liking River, Yes,
Speaker 1: but the Liking River. Linking River runs into Cave Run Lake,
Speaker 1: which is also in the area, and so I could
Speaker 1: see a situation. And by the way, there is no
Speaker 1: historical precedent or record of this kind of processing plant
Speaker 1: being there. I'm just saying, you know what, maybe it
Speaker 1: got lost in time, but there is We as humans
Speaker 1: have loved to use for centuries natural bodies of waters
Speaker 1: as an avenue to carry our waste away. And so
Speaker 1: if there were an animal processing facility of some kind,
Speaker 1: whether it be for sheep or cows or pigs or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then they were taking these scrap its they didn't like,
Speaker 1: and they were just dumping it into the river, and
Speaker 1: then it was flowing down to the lake. And who
Speaker 1: cares because it settles in the lake and whatever, and
Speaker 1: then a water spout happens and it sucks all that
Speaker 1: crap out that it was floating downstream and carries it
Speaker 1: that ten to twenty miles away, and then, luckily enough
Speaker 1: for the crouches, drops it on their property. Well lookye there, congret,
Speaker 1: you are now the proud owners of a bunch of
Speaker 1: discarded meat bits. Another reason not to taste the meat.
Speaker 1: I suppose it's been in the river. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Well again, you know, they had heart of your stomach
Speaker 1: than we do today at that time again, back in
Speaker 1: those days. I mean, I like the waterspout theory. I
Speaker 1: don't know about the industrial to try this theory because
Speaker 1: it's like they didn't throw away anything to do with
Speaker 1: the meat. I mean that got made into of their stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean any kind of meat, was hamburger, saucage, something,
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean. The the the apologize
Speaker 1: for the poor language here, but they used everything to
Speaker 1: a degree, from chicken lips to ours wholes. But that
Speaker 1: is actually not true because there is a certain amount
Speaker 1: of material that gets scraped off and falls to the
Speaker 1: floor and get shoveled out. So they don't actually use everything.
Speaker 1: And if you've ever watched an animal get butchered, there's
Speaker 1: the whole. We use every bit of the animal. We
Speaker 1: don't let anything. But that's not true because parts get
Speaker 1: hacked off and they get thrown away, and there's honks
Speaker 1: of meat on bone and unless you're throwing the bone
Speaker 1: into the pot and boiling like it's almost never as
Speaker 1: actually efficient as people want to say it is. So
Speaker 1: there is going to be scraps and bits and pieces
Speaker 1: that get thrown away. You never use one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: You may use nine, but that means that there's a whole.
Speaker 1: I mean, even haggets is made of that that extra
Speaker 1: bit of animal. But that doesn't mean that the other
Speaker 1: bits are there. So we don't use it all true.
Speaker 1: That's my only that's my my my My response to
Speaker 1: that is that it's yeah, we don't actually use it
Speaker 1: all about. And actually, while we're talking about that, one
Speaker 1: of the parts we use the least are things like
Speaker 1: the lungs. So if it were processing plant for you know,
Speaker 1: even like cows or something like that, that might be
Speaker 1: something that would be more readily discarded, that could have
Speaker 1: been picked up and you know who the heck, can
Speaker 1: tell the difference between cow longs and horse lungs really,
Speaker 1: especially when they're like and really when they're like three
Speaker 1: inch squares. Really, who can tell me? Lung material is
Speaker 1: probably pretty recognizable. But I'm being very generic by saying
Speaker 1: lung material, but it's but it is one of the things.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, yeah, we'll use like the organs and
Speaker 1: the heart and the brain. Oftentimes people will use and
Speaker 1: like livers and even intestines a lot of times as
Speaker 1: case things, but like the lungs are one of those
Speaker 1: ones where it's like very rarely do you do You
Speaker 1: go somewhere and they say, oh, and tonight we have
Speaker 1: this delicacy of the lungs. The brain in the skull. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh I've had brain, I've probably or what brainy? Human brain? Okay,
Speaker 1: how was it? Yeah, pretty much like kind kind of gelatinous,
Speaker 1: you know, to clarify, I've never eaten human brain, but um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean lungs. I guess that would bring that full
Speaker 1: circle a little bit too, Is that like that would
Speaker 1: be one of the things that I would assume would
Speaker 1: actually be discarded more often than not. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe the only problem that the other problem I have
Speaker 1: with the theory said, if it sucked up a bunch
Speaker 1: of crap out of the river, well I probably would
Speaker 1: have sucked up a bunch of just like dead fish
Speaker 1: and old boots and all kinds of other stuff too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I still have the waterspout theory. I think it makes
Speaker 1: the most sense. You know, or a tornado or some
Speaker 1: sort of tornado. Maybe it wasn't even didn't even suck
Speaker 1: it out of a river. Maybe it was a pile
Speaker 1: of discarded stuff. Yeah, it could have been next to
Speaker 1: the processing planet. I mean, I could have even been
Speaker 1: at somebody's farm. I mean by going to the town
Speaker 1: of farmers and saying they had a problem assessing plant
Speaker 1: and that they were dumping it in the water. You're right.
Speaker 1: It could have been that they were just throwing it
Speaker 1: on the side of the plant and saying, who cares,
Speaker 1: the rats and the wolves will come and eat it.
Speaker 1: And then oh, well look at that, the sky ate it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just picturing some with some like
Speaker 1: farmer who's like making jerky and he's chopped the meat
Speaker 1: and then it goes to he goes to he goes
Speaker 1: to the bathroom when he cuts back and it's all, God,
Speaker 1: you know, what do you do? You know, you go
Speaker 1: beat your kid? Or do you like? Yeah? Really alright?
Speaker 1: What did I almost say? Yeah? There? Well, okay, listen
Speaker 1: Hannibal Elector one and due. Do you have any other
Speaker 1: theories has to where this uh, this material could have
Speaker 1: appeared from. No. I think those are exhaustive theories, but
Speaker 1: I don't think any of them are good theories. No,
Speaker 1: which is why this is still a mystery, which is
Speaker 1: that they were that we managed to take this long
Speaker 1: to talk about this story because it seems like such
Speaker 1: a But that's what I said. Four is that you
Speaker 1: see it on the list first thing, and it's a
Speaker 1: paragraph and a half, and then when you start diving
Speaker 1: into it's like, wow, this thing really kind of loons out.
Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, if it had a
Speaker 1: good theory, it'd be solved by now. No. I think
Speaker 1: the I think the it's mini tornadoes theory is probably
Speaker 1: the best theory. That nothing's proved. Of course, nothing will
Speaker 1: be of course, there's always another theory, which is it
Speaker 1: was just a freaking hoax. That is you know, that's
Speaker 1: the one that I left off because it's the least
Speaker 1: satisfying of the theories. Yeah, that's not really a theory. Well,
Speaker 1: actually it is kind of a theory. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is possible that this entire thing was made up by
Speaker 1: a newspaperman at the time, because is not unheard of.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally not unheard of. The or the crouches
Speaker 1: did it themselves, because the crouches, you know, pranked to everybody.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, well, I mean, and there's there's
Speaker 1: talk about people who came out to the farm the
Speaker 1: next day and they found the material stuck on the
Speaker 1: pick fans, as if the piece it had fallen from
Speaker 1: the sky and skewered themselves on the fence. But it
Speaker 1: could have been that these were wet, sloppy, rotted pieces
Speaker 1: of material that were draped over bits of fencing. It
Speaker 1: could have been a complete and total farce. It could
Speaker 1: have been totally totally made up. It could have been
Speaker 1: like like one of their neighbors not too far away,
Speaker 1: just for fun, was like built himself like his own
Speaker 1: just put a bunch of these scraps in there and
Speaker 1: just lobbed it over. Yeah, and entirely so catapult tribute something,
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe they're having a little dispute something
Speaker 1: like that, and all show them all get al and
Speaker 1: and marry. They're such jerks. All right, well this is
Speaker 1: this is the end of all of the theories that
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Speaker 1: That having been said, I've got nothing else, but I've
Speaker 1: got a pan in the oven at three fifty. So
Speaker 1: unless you guys have anything else, I think we should
Speaker 1: go like shout out aspects. We want to go vegan, man,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have any puns. I'm sorry you
Speaker 1: A little pat of butter and put a little skewer
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