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Speaker 1: do what you can. It's quickly strords. Hi, this is

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Speaker 1: Steve Devon and this is episode number two hundred and

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Speaker 1: seven of Thinking Sideways. Really I did not know, yes,

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Speaker 1: episode well, we call it out every week, but it's

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Speaker 1: really easy to to kind of miss what number it is.

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Speaker 1: And I realized, hey, we're getting up there. Wait, well,

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Speaker 1: what do we do every week? Drink? Yeah? What you do?

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Speaker 1: Just me water? Now, this week, as every week, we

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Speaker 1: are going to be talking about a unsolved mystery. And

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Speaker 1: since it's my turn, I decided that I would dig

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Speaker 1: into the old history book and find us a rather

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Speaker 1: old story. It is. Uh. This week we are going

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Speaker 1: to talk about what a story that is. God, it's

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Speaker 1: and for dred and fifty years. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: Blake and a whole bunch of other people. Blake's the

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Speaker 1: we've gotten this many many times because this is an oldie,

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize it. You know what act if you're fun,

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Speaker 1: And then I actually started cutting into it and found

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Speaker 1: was the clumsy pun? It was, But it's my week

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Speaker 1: Our story takes place on March third, eighteen seventy six,

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Speaker 1: just outside the town of Olympia Springs, Kentucky. According to

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Speaker 1: you find it? God? I kept looking and looking and

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Speaker 1: clean the meat off the fence and the law and everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I don't like them barbecued, So that's that's fine with me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm thinking. God got fed up. Yeah,

424
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the theory. Sorry to all the Christians.

425
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: We oh yeah, no, no, We're I'm making fun again.

426
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: This in the last theory, we're kind of making fun

427
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: of people of the time. I don't want to make

428
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: fun of the faith on making fun of the people

429
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: at the time. So we we have more theories that

430
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: we want to go through. I mean, I mean, this

431
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 1: would be a short otherwise, So let's keep going as

432
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: I would like to say, let's fry up some fun. Uh.

433
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: You spent the entire almost break talking thinking about that,

434
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: didn't you know? I did? Totally did, I admit it.

435
00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: Our next theory is vulture vomit. Yeah. Yeah, people ate that, Steve,

436
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: what you know, I mean, ulties eat that craft. So

437
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: why not people to Let's just go into the theory. Okay, So,

438
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: after real scientists got their hands on the collected samples,

439
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: they figured out that the stuff that had been collected

440
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: actually had a structure to it that proved that it

441
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: was from an animal and not from a plant or

442
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: of bacteria. In other words, it, like I said before,

443
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: it had that that striation structure that you'll see in

444
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 1: in red meat. Yeah, like muscle fibers. Yeah, exactly. And

445
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: the same scientists believe that the material was this is

446
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: a weird combination of locations. But they said it was

447
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: likely from the lungs of horses or the lungs of infants,

448
00:27:54,480 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 1: human infants, same thing, usually about the same size. Nay, yeah,

449
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: God yeah, I don't know why, but I never actually,

450
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: like you know, got myself along and like kind of

451
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: looked at it. I wouldn't think it would look like

452
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: red meat. No, it's it's a weird thing. But but

453
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: there's there's a guy by the name of Dr. L. D.

454
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: Casting Bind who looked at the samples and uh, in

455
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: their state. He decided that the answer was perfectly obvious

456
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: and well, no, not necessarily lungs, because the lung was

457
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: the initial the initial people of folks who examined it,

458
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: actual scientists who examined it, said oh, well, it's gotta

459
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: be lungs. And then this guy gets ahold of it,

460
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: and according to him, he's the one that came up

461
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: with the whole vulture vomit theory. He says, yes, it

462
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: probably is meat chunks that were from the meat of animals,

463
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: not necessarily lungs per se. But what's happening is that

464
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: the meat product was all carried into the sky above

465
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: the crouches homes by vultures because and this is actually

466
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: an own thing. Vultures are known to regurgitate their meals

467
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: a k A. Barfett back up and they if they've

468
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: if they've eaten too much, they will do this. And

469
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: if they need to fly and they're too heavy, they

470
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: will do this. Now, to be honest or to be

471
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: frank about it, they normally do this not because oh God,

472
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: I too much and I just can't fly it's too

473
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: much work. No, it's because something is scared them and

474
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: panicked them and they can't immediately ascend into the sky.

475
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: So at that point then they expel the contents of

476
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: their stomach to lighten themselves up. It's a defensive mechanism. Yeah,

477
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: I thought it was only when they were threatened. Yeah,

478
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: it's when they're threatened. It's not just oh I shouldn't

479
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: have eaten that second cheeseburger. M just gonna let that

480
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: thing come back up and then we'll we'll go down

481
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: the street. I mean, that's not the way it works.

482
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: Also heard that it helps to deter I mean yeah,

483
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, any kind of predators. The the I'm

484
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: gonna barf on you, dude defense mechanism has been used

485
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: by vultures and whimpy college dudes for years. But I

486
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: don't have some problems with this. Oh yeah, well, and

487
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: I mean there's lots of problems really, and I think

488
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: it's perfect theory. Oh well, so, so here's something that

489
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about. Um. I read on vultures and

490
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: this is not my area of expertise ornithology. I mean,

491
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: I did a bunch of work on the Washington Eagle,

492
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: but this barfing to get higher thing is not is

493
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: really my area. So I read a vulture expert. I

494
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: don't think we have one of those. Yet we have

495
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: to expand the podcast. Yeah. I looked at the list

496
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: and I didn't see anybody that was a vulture vulture

497
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: all would you call it a vulture alogists, vultulogist, or

498
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: just a regular ornithologists with a minor in vultures? You

499
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: mean with an emphasis and emphasis, yes, emphasis, I'd call

500
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: them a vulturologists. Um. But no, The point is I

501
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: don't really know that they just do this so that

502
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 1: they can ascend higher into the sky. You know, it's like, oh, well,

503
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm only at four thousand feet, but I want to

504
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: get to five thousand, So let me herc up like

505
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: everything I've ever understood about vultures is that they only

506
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: do it as like a fight or flight mechanism, not

507
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: like just because they want to fly higher. You would

508
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: think that mean if you're actually flying that you wouldn't

509
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: want to be doing it because you'd like, you know,

510
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: you you've got winds, you've got wind speed, you know,

511
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: and your hurl and all that crap is going to

512
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: go right in your eyes. Well more than that, I mean,

513
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: like your your primary mechanism as an animal is to survive, right,

514
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: and if you can keep your energy source aka food

515
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: in your body, you'd like to hang on to that

516
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: escape or Yeah, but if if the choice is I mean,

517
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: humans do this too, Like in in we you see

518
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: marathoners do this sometimes in an extreme exertion situations. Bodies

519
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: do sometimes just expel, expel in any way they possibly

520
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: can um and so you know, it's I think it's

521
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: that same thing where it's like if they are in

522
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: severe danger, they will do this because it helps them

523
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: get away. But other than that, there's no reason. Too hard. Yeah,

524
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm really glad it is that whenever I've

525
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: run and every run really hard, I have not actually

526
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: experienced that expulsion. I'm really glad that I've never had

527
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: to do that a few times and i've been working out,

528
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: I've really pushed it a little too far and I

529
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: felt i'd have a puked, but I felt kind of nauseous. Yeah. No,

530
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: last weekend's race, I was really sad that I'd ate

531
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: that pestro rap. I was like for the first mile

532
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: and a half like that was the worst thing I

533
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: ever did. But but so it's yeah, so I don't

534
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: know that they would necessarily do that to attain more altitude.

535
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: But let's ignore that for the moment. Let's just talk

536
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: about the herking ability of vultures, because it is rather epic.

537
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: I also wonder, sorry just to do I also wonder,

538
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: like how many vultures would have had to be herking

539
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: at the exact same time. Hold hold that, hold that thought, yep,

540
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: old a little longer, just choke it back. Um Now, okay,

541
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: so if we look at because yes, vultures, as we've

542
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: talked about, are known for expelling the contents of their

543
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: stomach is a defensive move. They've actually got a pretty

544
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: compressive range. According to what I've read, they can herk

545
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: up to ten feet which converts to about three meters

546
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: in self defense, I won't get any closer than that. Yeah, so,

547
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, I mean there was the whole will think

548
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: about the family cat running around to eat up this material,

549
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: so I could see maybe that was a self defense

550
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: mechanism against the cat. Although then that says that there

551
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: was a whole flock of them, and then they were

552
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: doing it in mask, and I've never seen anything that

553
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: says that vultures barf in mask. The trip I was on, Yeah,

554
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: I know, but I have heard that they influence each

555
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: other and they'll follow suit and I'll barf and not

556
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: in unison. But vulture can make his friends. But I

557
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: really doubt the cat was I mean, I you know,

558
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean, vultures are big and they can be very aggressive,

559
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: so I would not I don't think a house cat

560
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: unless they were withholding the fact that their cat was

561
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: actually like a freaking cougar or something like. Yeah, I

562
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: mean no, like it had to be bigger than that,

563
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: I think, because they like vultures will they are not

564
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: They're shy. Yeah, so I think it would have taken

565
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: a really, really really big cat to scare them. But

566
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: not well, okay, so let's let's um, I have a

567
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: couple of ideas here. Let's let's no pun intended flesh

568
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: this out a little bit. I really wasn't intending for

569
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: that pun. I just realized what was coming. So during

570
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: the day or in the morning of the day that

571
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: this event took place, Mary Crouch was said that she

572
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: was in the process of making soap. She was soap

573
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: for whatever they needed, whether it be for you know,

574
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: washing your hands or washing your clothes. She's making soap

575
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: themselves exactly well, to make soap from scratch, from literal scratch,

576
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: you need to make lie, which you make from wood

577
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,959
Speaker 1: ash and animal fats and oils which you boil. And

578
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: so we don't know and by the way, we don't

579
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: know exactly what stage of the process of making soape

580
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: she was at in so she could have potentially been

581
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: rendering fat at that time. And to render fat, which

582
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: you know, let's just say it's from sheep. I'm saying

583
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: it's from sheep because of the whole mutton flavored thing.

584
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: But what you have to do is you have to

585
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: go ahead and you have to put the fat in water,

586
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: and then you that with the lie which you've already boiled,

587
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: the lie comes up to the top, and then you

588
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: throw the fats in and the oils in, and you

589
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: render it until all the chunky bits are gone, and

590
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: then you're scooping that off of the top. And by

591
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: the way, this is the basest description of how to

592
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: make soap. And like the volumes are important, there's a

593
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: whole bunch of information I'm not going into because well,

594
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: that's science that we don't need to worry about too much.

595
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: But the point is that if she wasn't very good

596
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: at what she was doing, she could have at her

597
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: volumes off, or she could have had a whole bunch

598
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: of this material laying around on the ground a fats,

599
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: which would have attracted vultures because god knows how long

600
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: that fat sat there. So you leave a whole bunch

601
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: of scrap fat round and there's vultures in the area,

602
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: they're going to come to it because it's free food.

603
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: Would have noticed them right the bathroom. Well, okay, so

604
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: let's let's ignore Mrs Crouch for the time being, because

605
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: the point of the matter is all of these birds

606
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: are there and they are now eating the fat that

607
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: she has laid out that she intends to render and

608
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: then somehow, whether it be her running out and yelling

609
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: at them or her husband shooting off a gun, they

610
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: somehow startled the flow. What do you call the flock

611
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: of vultures by the way, barthology, I mean, like, I

612
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: don't know, whatever it is, the whole flock of them

613
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: gets startled and in there they're fleeing from the scene.

614
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: They all herk up the materials that she had previously

615
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: laid out, and they had been eaten, and they spew

616
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: it all over the front yard. Okay, that's entirely possible.

617
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: This is my theory because there's because really there's no

618
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: good theory. There was the whole the space meat and

619
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: you know it's mutton, but really there's no good theory.

620
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: So what I've been doing is like, okay, well, let's

621
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: look at the root of the story. And the root

622
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: of the story is Mr and Mrs Crouch were making soap,

623
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: so let's look at what's involved in the process. The

624
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: vulture vomit theory is from the time, So now I'm saying, okay, well,

625
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: let's let's hypothesize from there. It's total conjecture. I totally

626
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: get that. And Cathy were wondering. Group of vultures who

627
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: are in flight is a cattle. A group of vultures

628
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: when they're resting in trees is called a committee, and

629
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: a group of vultures that are feeding is called awake.

630
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: I love it. Awake, awake, a cattle awake, and a committee.

631
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: I've actually heard of a committee, had not awake before,

632
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: but that's a great one. So we're referring to awake. Yes,

633
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: of vultures right now feeding then become a cattle. Yeah,

634
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's so ludicrous too. I Mean, my

635
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: problem a little bit comes in when we start talking

636
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: about if the vultures were eating and then like regurgitating.

637
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: It sounds like what they regurgitating was more like traditional

638
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: meat bits, not like fatty bits. Right. But other than that,

639
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not I can find some buy into

640
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: this theory of you know, maybe she's got her giant

641
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: that starting to boil over a fire outside right or

642
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: over whatever, she's you know, warming it in and she's

643
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: got all her stuff flaying out there, and she goes

644
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: back in the house to do some other chores. You know.

645
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: Mr Crauch is also in there, the cats in there.

646
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: I don't the cat didn't scare them, but you know what,

647
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: the cat needs to be involved. Great, Um, they're all

648
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: in the house and then you know, she comes out

649
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: only to find there's a awake of vultures feeding on

650
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: her fatty bits and she just goes nah, and they

651
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: just go who and then fly away and then or

652
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: maybe they start to fly away because I don't know

653
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: how the mechanism works here. No, I mean, I just

654
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how the mechanism works. I don't know

655
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: if it's like a vulture takes off and it's like,

656
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: oh crap, I'm going too slow, I'm gonna throw up,

657
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: or if they like see the fear thing and they

658
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: just go who and then like take off. But it

659
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: is I guess it's possible because since we don't know

660
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: the mechanism, they take off and then meat just starts

661
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: raining down from the sky and they're like, what in

662
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: the world, Alan comes see? This is what is going on? Okay,

663
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: and and and that and and that is the explo nation.

664
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to play that into this theory and the

665
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: next one. And I wasn't going to talk about it

666
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: until then, But it is that the crouches may have

667
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: seen the propulsion of meat out of these vultures and said,

668
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: we are never telling anybody about that. Uh, this meat

669
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: just suddenly appeared out of the sky, because I don't

670
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: want anybody to know that we cause this because it's gross.

671
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: But of course people are going to show up at

672
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: our house soon and they're gonna see this stuff everywhere.

673
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: We have to have an answer for it. So I

674
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: mean that that would explain like they they may have.

675
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: They may have narrated their own the story in a

676
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: manner that avoided where they looked like the idiots for

677
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: causing it by startling all of these creatures. I don't

678
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: think they would make him look like idiots. But it

679
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: could have just been a passing kettle of crows too.

680
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: I mean, they could have just like been flying by

681
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: and something scared him. Maybe somebody Frank Herbie, you know,

682
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: there's the high strong one, you know, and they pushed

683
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,479
Speaker 1: a little too far. We hurled, and everybody, I'll started

684
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: hurling the next thing and early, yeah, hurly the high

685
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: strung vulture, and the next thing, you know, it's just

686
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: like all over these guys down below. Sorry guys, but yeah,

687
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: that could have been flying by way high. Yeah, Okay,

688
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: of the theory so far, this is my favorite theory,

689
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: but I still want, like a good thing, let me

690
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: give you another theory, because again I the theories that

691
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: are from the raws and today are really weak. And

692
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: so I started again looking back at what was going

693
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: on to try and get an idea, and um, bad

694
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: science is what I'm going to call title this theory.

695
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that they were making soap, and

696
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about the process of the

697
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: things that you have to put into to make soap

698
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: at this time. But what one of the things you

699
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: need to be doing is again, you need to be

700
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 1: boiling the ash to make lie, and then you need

701
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: to have a good, good hot fire that's going for

702
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: at least half an hour to an hour to get

703
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: that to boil the ride, and then you've got to

704
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: start adding the other materials in. Well, it's completely possible

705
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: that Mary Crouch was really bad at this, and possibly

706
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: even worse trying to find a way to shortcut the

707
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: process up. She may have thought, well, you know, doing

708
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: this all in a kettle or in a giant pot

709
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: takes forever. It's hard to keep hot, it's hard to

710
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: keep the fire going, you know what a fire were?

711
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: Did she use a pressure cooker, because pressure cookers in

712
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds were a thing. They were available,

713
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: they but they were not nearly as accurate or reliable

714
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: or fool proof as they are today. And so let's

715
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: suppose for a minute that she is trying to figure

716
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: out how to do this in a pressure cooker and

717
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: she completely floods it, and pressure cookers were known to explode,

718
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: and so if she's sometimes yeah, so she has chucked

719
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: all this medium material in there in an attempt to

720
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: pressure cook it and rend it and turn it into liquid.

721
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: And then that that container that she is using, whatever

722
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: kind of pressure cooker it is, because there was I

723
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: think I read about five or six specific brands at

724
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: the time, and they all had flaws. But that thing

725
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: then literally explodes. That would explain the hundred foot long

726
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: by fifty foot wide spread of material on their property,

727
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: because I mean, that's a lot of pressure. Might have

728
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: been using the pressure cooker and not actually had any

729
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: meaty stuff in it either, but maybe like a neighbor

730
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: kid came by or something when that went off, and

731
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: in the aftermathic going like, um, I don't know, and

732
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, some some other neighbors starts

733
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: showing up, you know, and and they're going, like, what's happening?

734
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: Man say, uh, well, you know, suddenly just rained out

735
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: of the sky over here. Oh I thought, you know,

736
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: if this pressure cooker explodes, right, since we don't really

737
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: know where Alan was, if he was out working in

738
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: the field or something, and he just comes running and

739
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: he's like he was falling from the sky, and Mary goes, yeah,

740
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: I think I don't. I think it would have put

741
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: the two together though they here this big kaboom and

742
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden crap falls out of the sky.

743
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: I usually associate those Joe, You're you're presuming that Alan

744
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: was a relatively smart man. I've known more than one

745
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: dude on a farm who would hear a loud boom

746
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: and then see meat falling from the sky and say

747
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: it thundered meat. He could also have been hard of

748
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: hearing and not have heard it. He could have been

749
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: working like in the fields and not hurt it. You know,

750
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: meat comes from the skies. And she goes, Ellen is

751
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: going to kill me, And then lucky her, he comes running.

752
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: He's like, did you see this meat raining from the

753
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: sky and she's like, yeah, so weird. Also, the soap

754
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: is not gonna get done today. And by the way,

755
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: bad I got so distracted by the meat following that

756
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what happened. I burned it.

757
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah it's possible. Well, yeah, I also thought other series

758
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: would be like just some anarchists were making some bombs,

759
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: some big bombs, and the next farm over something like

760
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: that and blew themselves all the hell and there were

761
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: no bones. Yeah. That that is a key point is

762
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: that we haven't talked about this before. Is that in

763
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: the and I keep calling it material a real because

764
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: I mean, keep calling it meat. But in the material

765
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: it's fibrous tissue that is similar to meats and fats

766
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: and sinew, but there is no actual bone in there.

767
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: That's something to think about. I don't know what it means.

768
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what any of this means.

769
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: But I do know that the description that we just

770
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: gave there means that we have to move to the

771
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: next theory because we have one more theory left. Well,

772
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: I was going to talk about I want to talk

773
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: for a minute about Oh yeah, please, the Oregon meat shower.

774
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: What we had a meat shower in Oregon? Did you

775
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: not know about this? Did we? Yeah? We did? It

776
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: was back I think early seventies. Whale. Yeah you've heard

777
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: about the whale, right I have. I was going to

778
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: make a tale about your mom making soap. Yeah, go ahead, Joe,

779
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: tell our listeners. We know, but yeah they might not.

780
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: But not everybody's heard this story. But yeah, this this

781
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: freaking huge whale beach just off on the Oregon coast

782
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: and this was decades ago. But and actually, if you

783
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: look on YouTube, you can watch the news footage. Here's

784
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: here's my favorite thing about the news footage. Oh god,

785
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: oh god. Yeah. But they were wondering how to get

786
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: this because it was it beats itself. And then after

787
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: a few days it started to stank up the place

788
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: really good, and so they decided to blow it up

789
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: with dynamite and uh yeah, it turns out it didn't

790
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: work out so well. But apparently, and you heard that,

791
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: like like one guy got his car total because it's

792
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: huge chuck of whale blow the landing on top of it,

793
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: and yeah and uh yeah, and but luckily nobody got killed. Amazingly,

794
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could total a bug. Imagine it

795
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: could have killed somebody, but it didn't. But yeah, that

796
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: was the Oregan meat shower, a mystery nobody knows. I

797
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: believe the organ Department of Transfer Patition was the ones

798
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: that were responsible for the idea to blow it up.

799
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: They owe Todd was the one who said, you know,

800
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: I have a really good idea on how to get

801
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: rid of that. Let's just blow it up. Actually, that's

802
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: about the worst segue to our final theory. No, no,

803
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: they kind of they kind of like they both start

804
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: at the beach. Yeah. Yeah, so let's let's move into

805
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: our final theory, because really I've got two paragraphs that

806
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: spanned two pages. The last theory is water spout with

807
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: question mark at the end, water spout. There we go.

808
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: Set it right this time. I'm gonna say, just channel

809
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: your normal speaking. I know, I was like, wait, I'm

810
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: trying to use my podcast, your voice. Let me just

811
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: talk normal. No reporting at the time, reports at a

812
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: kind of strange weather patterns at all, But let's ignore

813
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: that because it's eighteen seventy six. My favorite theories ever

814
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: always start with like, here are the facts, but let's

815
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: ignore all of them and talk about well, the problem

816
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: is is that the reporting is so shoddy. I understand.

817
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: I just like the basis of what you're saying. You're

818
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: like the way I say that, don't ignore this, but

819
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: let's ignore it anyway. Yeah, well that's that's because I

820
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: have more better math. But let's just think about this.

821
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: So there is the possibility that well, I mean, water

822
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: spouts are thing. Water spouts are little tornadoes that suck

823
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: things up out of water bodies of water and then

824
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: carry them and send them across great distances before depositing

825
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: them back onto the earth in some unrelated location. Sometimes

826
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: the water spout itself travels there, and sometimes it basically

827
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: funnels it in a giant arc and then spits it

828
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: out and it eventually all falls into one area. Yeah.

829
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: I know. Well I checked in and actually this area

830
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: of Kentucky is kind of on the bleeding edge of

831
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: Tornado Country. Yeah, it's like it's like way on the

832
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: That's why I didn't I was. I really struggled with

833
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: one because it's not in Tornado Alley and it's just

834
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: such a it's it's in an area it's like like right,

835
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: it's like I said, way on the edge of it

836
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: doesn't get much activity, but a little bit more than

837
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: we get here. A tornado touchdown in Oregon today, So

838
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: it does happen. Just because it's not like prime tornado

839
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: area does not mean that's That's exactly the reason that

840
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: I didn't just toss this out, because I mean, we

841
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: had one today. These things happened. I got hailed on

842
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: today for no particular reason, but it happened. Yeah, But

843
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, and that's the reason I kind of like

844
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: the water spout slash tornado theory because I mean, it's

845
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: just one event that can pick something up and deposited

846
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: neatly somewhere else. It's a freaking tornado, yeah, I mean

847
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: really won't do that. Yeah, explosion will sense stuff like

848
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: all directions, but in vomit vomit will do the same thing.

849
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: It's it's not really unidirectional, but water spout maybe potentially could.

850
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: So Okay, so let me let me run through this.

851
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: Let me me read through what it got written here,

852
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: which is that if some kind of water spout or

853
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: mini twister were happened to come into the area and

854
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: we'll suck up some kind of weird material that it

855
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: would then deposit on the crouches property. Well, if we

856
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: look about ten to fifteen miles away, which by the way,

857
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: this converts to sixteen four kilometers, there's the town of Farmers, uh,

858
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: and that at the time was sort of industrial town

859
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: and it had to it's the I know, I'm going

860
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: to mispronounce this. Was that the Licking River, You know

861
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: what I say, I'm mispronouncing it because it looks too easy.

862
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: It looks like licking but it's probably Liking River, Yes,

863
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: but the Liking River. Linking River runs into Cave Run Lake,

864
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: which is also in the area, and so I could

865
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: see a situation. And by the way, there is no

866
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: historical precedent or record of this kind of processing plant

867
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: being there. I'm just saying, you know what, maybe it

868
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: got lost in time, but there is We as humans

869
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: have loved to use for centuries natural bodies of waters

870
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: as an avenue to carry our waste away. And so

871
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: if there were an animal processing facility of some kind,

872
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: whether it be for sheep or cows or pigs or whatever,

873
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: and then they were taking these scrap its they didn't like,

874
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: and they were just dumping it into the river, and

875
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: then it was flowing down to the lake. And who

876
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: cares because it settles in the lake and whatever, and

877
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: then a water spout happens and it sucks all that

878
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: crap out that it was floating downstream and carries it

879
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: that ten to twenty miles away, and then, luckily enough

880
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: for the crouches, drops it on their property. Well lookye there, congret,

881
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: you are now the proud owners of a bunch of

882
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: discarded meat bits. Another reason not to taste the meat.

883
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: I suppose it's been in the river. Oh my god.

884
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: Well again, you know, they had heart of your stomach

885
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: than we do today at that time again, back in

886
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: those days. I mean, I like the waterspout theory. I

887
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: don't know about the industrial to try this theory because

888
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: it's like they didn't throw away anything to do with

889
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: the meat. I mean that got made into of their stuff.

890
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: I mean any kind of meat, was hamburger, saucage, something,

891
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean. The the the apologize

892
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: for the poor language here, but they used everything to

893
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: a degree, from chicken lips to ours wholes. But that

894
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: is actually not true because there is a certain amount

895
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: of material that gets scraped off and falls to the

896
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: floor and get shoveled out. So they don't actually use everything.

897
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: And if you've ever watched an animal get butchered, there's

898
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: the whole. We use every bit of the animal. We

899
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: don't let anything. But that's not true because parts get

900
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: hacked off and they get thrown away, and there's honks

901
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: of meat on bone and unless you're throwing the bone

902
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: into the pot and boiling like it's almost never as

903
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: actually efficient as people want to say it is. So

904
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: there is going to be scraps and bits and pieces

905
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: that get thrown away. You never use one hundred percent.

906
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: You may use nine, but that means that there's a whole.

907
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean, even haggets is made of that that extra

908
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: bit of animal. But that doesn't mean that the other

909
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: bits are there. So we don't use it all true.

910
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: That's my only that's my my my My response to

911
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: that is that it's yeah, we don't actually use it

912
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: all about. And actually, while we're talking about that, one

913
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: of the parts we use the least are things like

914
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: the lungs. So if it were processing plant for you know,

915
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: even like cows or something like that, that might be

916
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: something that would be more readily discarded, that could have

917
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: been picked up and you know who the heck, can

918
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: tell the difference between cow longs and horse lungs really,

919
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: especially when they're like and really when they're like three

920
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: inch squares. Really, who can tell me? Lung material is

921
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: probably pretty recognizable. But I'm being very generic by saying

922
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,479
Speaker 1: lung material, but it's but it is one of the things.

923
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, like, yeah, we'll use like the organs and

924
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: the heart and the brain. Oftentimes people will use and

925
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: like livers and even intestines a lot of times as

926
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: case things, but like the lungs are one of those

927
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: ones where it's like very rarely do you do You

928
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: go somewhere and they say, oh, and tonight we have

929
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: this delicacy of the lungs. The brain in the skull. Yeah, yeah,

930
00:56:54,239 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: oh I've had brain, I've probably or what brainy? Human brain? Okay,

931
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: how was it? Yeah, pretty much like kind kind of gelatinous,

932
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, to clarify, I've never eaten human brain, but um, yeah,

933
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean lungs. I guess that would bring that full

934
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: circle a little bit too, Is that like that would

935
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: be one of the things that I would assume would

936
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: actually be discarded more often than not. I don't know.

937
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: Maybe the only problem that the other problem I have

938
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: with the theory said, if it sucked up a bunch

939
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: of crap out of the river, well I probably would

940
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: have sucked up a bunch of just like dead fish

941
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: and old boots and all kinds of other stuff too. Yeah,

942
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: I still have the waterspout theory. I think it makes

943
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: the most sense. You know, or a tornado or some

944
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: sort of tornado. Maybe it wasn't even didn't even suck

945
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: it out of a river. Maybe it was a pile

946
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: of discarded stuff. Yeah, it could have been next to

947
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: the processing planet. I mean, I could have even been

948
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: at somebody's farm. I mean by going to the town

949
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: of farmers and saying they had a problem assessing plant

950
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: and that they were dumping it in the water. You're right.

951
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: It could have been that they were just throwing it

952
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: on the side of the plant and saying, who cares,

953
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: the rats and the wolves will come and eat it.

954
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: And then oh, well look at that, the sky ate it. Yeah.

955
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just picturing some with some like

956
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: farmer who's like making jerky and he's chopped the meat

957
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: and then it goes to he goes to he goes

958
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: to the bathroom when he cuts back and it's all, God,

959
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, what do you do? You know, you go

960
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: beat your kid? Or do you like? Yeah? Really alright?

961
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: What did I almost say? Yeah? There? Well, okay, listen

962
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: Hannibal Elector one and due. Do you have any other

963
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: theories has to where this uh, this material could have

964
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: appeared from. No. I think those are exhaustive theories, but

965
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: I don't think any of them are good theories. No,

966
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: which is why this is still a mystery, which is

967
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: that they were that we managed to take this long

968
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: to talk about this story because it seems like such

969
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: a But that's what I said. Four is that you

970
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: see it on the list first thing, and it's a

971
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: paragraph and a half, and then when you start diving

972
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: into it's like, wow, this thing really kind of loons out.

973
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, if it had a

974
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: good theory, it'd be solved by now. No. I think

975
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: the I think the it's mini tornadoes theory is probably

976
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: the best theory. That nothing's proved. Of course, nothing will

977
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: be of course, there's always another theory, which is it

978
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: was just a freaking hoax. That is you know, that's

979
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: the one that I left off because it's the least

980
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: satisfying of the theories. Yeah, that's not really a theory. Well,

981
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: actually it is kind of a theory. I mean, it

982
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: is possible that this entire thing was made up by

983
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: a newspaperman at the time, because is not unheard of.

984
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally not unheard of. The or the crouches

985
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: did it themselves, because the crouches, you know, pranked to everybody.

986
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, well, I mean, and there's there's

987
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: talk about people who came out to the farm the

988
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: next day and they found the material stuck on the

989
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: pick fans, as if the piece it had fallen from

990
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: the sky and skewered themselves on the fence. But it

991
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: could have been that these were wet, sloppy, rotted pieces

992
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: of material that were draped over bits of fencing. It

993
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: could have been a complete and total farce. It could

994
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: have been totally totally made up. It could have been

995
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: like like one of their neighbors not too far away,

996
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: just for fun, was like built himself like his own

997
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: just put a bunch of these scraps in there and

998
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: just lobbed it over. Yeah, and entirely so catapult tribute something,

999
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe they're having a little dispute something

1000
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: like that, and all show them all get al and

1001
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: and marry. They're such jerks. All right, well this is

1002
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: this is the end of all of the theories that

1003
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: we have. So let's wrap this up. Put put a

1004
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: bow on this, put a little pad of butter on top,

1005
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,640
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1006
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01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: That having been said, I've got nothing else, but I've

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01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: got a pan in the oven at three fifty. So

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01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: unless you guys have anything else, I think we should

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01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: go like shout out aspects. We want to go vegan, man,

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01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have any puns. I'm sorry you

1034
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: A little pat of butter and put a little skewer

1035
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:55,160
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01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: if we put a little paper rika on it. We're

1037
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: gonna finish it with salt and sign off