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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did.

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Speaker 2: My name is Millie to Jericho, I'm Danielle Henderson, and uh.

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Speaker 3: We're here to worship at the altar of film.

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Speaker 2: Ooh good one, very nice.

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Speaker 3: Oh you know. I'm trying. I'm trying. What's up? What's happening.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to tell you this because it happened last week,

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Speaker 4: but you've been so busy and.

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Speaker 2: I don't ever want to bother you now because you're

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Speaker 2: like I'm in school and I'm in work and I'm

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Speaker 2: doing all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Listen, let me.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop you right there and tell you I

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Speaker 1: would rather hear about your life than do any of

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Speaker 1: those things.

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Speaker 3: So don't be shy. I need to distract, Okay, trust me.

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Speaker 4: Good to know, good to know, because I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 4: I will still send you my my wild memes on

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Speaker 4: Instagram at any hour of the day. But when this happened,

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Speaker 4: you were the first person. I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: I got talked to Billy about this. So my therapist,

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Speaker 4: who's the best, I absolutely adore her. She doesn't listen

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Speaker 4: to this podcast. She's like, no, it's like.

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Speaker 2: A I don't know.

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Speaker 4: If I were a therapist, I'd be like, I'd be

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Speaker 4: on your social media, I'd be in your fucking life

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Speaker 4: and be like, what does this bitch up do?

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, do you tell when you're in

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Speaker 1: therapy do you talk about like your projects specifically by

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Speaker 1: name or do you just kind of allude to them?

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Speaker 1: I never know how to do that in therapy.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, I am like, I mean, you know me,

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Speaker 4: I am all out there. We talk in depth about everything.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: So like she read my book because that was I

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Speaker 4: think that wasn't crossing a line in her mind because

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Speaker 4: it was therapeutically important for her to understand how I

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Speaker 4: talk about my past and talk about my family. But

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Speaker 4: she doesn't like look on my Instagram or listen to

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Speaker 4: the podcast or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: So okay, but yeah, I tell her everything.

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Speaker 1: I guess at a certain point it comes up specifically

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Speaker 1: and I will say it. But I'm never like, I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I work at this place and I wrote this thing.

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Speaker 3: And because I'm like, wait.

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Speaker 4: You talk like obscure you mentioned obscurely the projects are working.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't know if it's like if I'm I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I guess I feel like maybe I'm not

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Speaker 1: looks or something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Is that weird I should be saying it, right, I

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Speaker 4: feel the opposite.

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Speaker 2: I feel the opposite.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I mentioned everything because I don't want

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Speaker 4: her to come across something and then be like, oh, huh,

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Speaker 4: this is your thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, good to know, good to know. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: sure if I was doing it wrong, but you know, that's.

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Speaker 4: I think anytime you're holding back from your therapist, it's

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Speaker 4: probably not a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Like even just like.

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Speaker 4: The name of your book is probably okay to put

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Speaker 4: out there to your therapist, I know, but it's.

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Speaker 1: It's not as if I'm hiding accomplishments from her. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, like I don't specifically tell her, like what

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Speaker 1: the title of the book is, or like what the

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Speaker 2: Brand yourself in your therapy meeting.

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Speaker 1: No, because I just was like, Okay, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: she probably doesn't even know what the fuck I'm doing anyway, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I have to say that I sort

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Speaker 1: of like my therapist now was someone that I had

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Speaker 1: met via my you know what I mean, Like, she

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Speaker 3: So there was like this moment where I was like, oh, she.

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Speaker 1: Knows where I work or where I have worked, So

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Speaker 1: I don't really need to go into super detail because

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Speaker 1: the hell knows.

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Speaker 2: That's why I put it all out there.

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Speaker 4: And now I'm glad I do because she eventually, after

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Speaker 4: years of working with her, she always referred to my therapist,

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Speaker 4: always referred to her son as someone who worked in

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Speaker 4: the same business that I did. Oh okay, it makes

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Speaker 4: But then, after years of working together, she finally told

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Speaker 4: glad she did because then I had to and he's

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Speaker 2: Oh see that is weird? Is that that.

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Speaker 4: Weird and it wasn't bad, but he was just like

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Speaker 2: So I'm glad she told me.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, so, yeah, okay, I see why you'd want

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Speaker 3: to know. To me, I'd be like, no, I can't

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Speaker 3: know that. That's weird. What if your son is Brad Pitt.

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Speaker 1: And then I know your Brad Pit's mom and then

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Speaker 1: I'm like, hello, my baby, Hello Manarlen.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, the every single one of my own therapy sessions

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Speaker 4: would be why is your son so sad?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 4: Have you ever diagnosed him? Have you ever turned the

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Speaker 3: He was too hot? That's why he's so sad.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I completely derailed this story.

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. I do this a lot, so.

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Speaker 2: It's totally cool. This is what happens, is what we

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Speaker 2: chat at the top four us. People love us and

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Speaker 2: hate us for it. Good bye. Hello.

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Speaker 4: No, but I'm telling you this because I feel like,

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Speaker 4: so she knows me very well. My therapist and I've

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Speaker 4: been working together for years. Yeah, she knows me very well.

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Speaker 4: She knows that I've been dating and like kind of

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Speaker 4: Like we're not talking years here, it was like a month,

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Speaker 4: but I'm like, oh. I was kind of talking to

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of easily wooed by people who are.

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Speaker 4: talk to me. Okay, And she said, do you have

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Speaker 2: Of this guy? And I did happen to have a picture,

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Speaker 4: So I pulled it up on my phone and I

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Speaker 4: showed her on the phone and she goes, Danielle, why

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Speaker 2: Like why do you equate sleezy with hot?

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Speaker 4: And it is the question that is the primary question

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say that is foundational.

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Speaker 4: Like it is rocked my fucking world because I'm like,

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Speaker 4: you know what, great question?

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Speaker 2: Why do I think this is hot?

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Speaker 1: I know why I think it's hot. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's the same for you.

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Speaker 4: Please tell because I'm gonna be digging through this for

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Speaker 3: I'm a fucking loser. I'm a nerd, like.

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Speaker 1: I grew up like loving media as a way to

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Speaker 1: parents who were like government employees, Like, sleaziness is alluring

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying? And I'm thinking because.

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Speaker 1: For you, you grew up like blasting Ornet Coleman on

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Speaker 1: and science fiction and Shakespeare, And it's like, do you

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Speaker 1: want somebody that's exactly like that, or do you want

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Speaker 3: I know, I don't know. Does does that make any sense?

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's like a opposite attract thing.

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Speaker 4: It makes sense for me in terms of you wanting

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Speaker 4: that it's exciting to see someone who's like living off

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Speaker 4: You're like, what's that dude all about? Sure he doesn't

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Speaker 2: Like it's not just oh, he's got a little bit

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Speaker 4: It's like, no, he is truly on the outskirts of

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Speaker 3: Okay, I totally understand.

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Speaker 1: Now, maybe we should delineate some things because there's aesthetics, Yes,

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Speaker 1: which is I think what I'm speaking to right, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I just saw that movie Lisa Frankenstein.

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Speaker 3: Have you heard of this movie?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Oh? Oh what's her face? Direct? Did it right?

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Speaker 1: Zelda Williams, Robin Williams store right, And it was written

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Speaker 1: by Diabolo Cody. The whole premise of the film By

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Speaker 1: the way, this movie Lisa Frankenstein. I wrote about it

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Speaker 3: It's about like teenagers that hate their.

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Speaker 1: School and they're really into like goth They're playing like

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Speaker 1: he's this like gross zombie who is played by Cole Sprouse,

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Speaker 1: know him from a Riverdale. He played jug Head on Riverdale,

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Speaker 1: and I actually I think he's really cute, despite the

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Speaker 1: But the entire time, I'm like, I would totally date

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Speaker 1: he's wearing like dirty muney Victorian collars and stuff like.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I would fucking date the shit out

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, why he just literally came from below

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Speaker 1: the he's covered in dirt. Why is that cute? I

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Speaker 1: think it's the same point Esthetically, You're like, Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: then there's what you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, or even not fucked up. You just get to

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Speaker 1: Listen, when it comes down to it, when my friends

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Speaker 3: Trust me. So I kind of gingerly kind of feel

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Speaker 2: It's very very kind, very kind of you of truth.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I of course I do.

441
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Speaker 2: Of course. One look and she was like, what the

442
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: fuck is wrong with you?

443
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 4: Girl? And she's like, wait, I know what's wrong with

444
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 4: you because we've been dog over five years. But yeah,

445
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 4: it was hilarious to me that that was the first

446
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 4: thing that she said, and then it kicked off this

447
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 4: just absolute exploration of Wait, I feel like I've done

448
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 4: a lot of work on myself, but there's still work

449
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 4: to do if I think that that's what I deserve.

450
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, and it's such a huge undertaking. It's therapeutically right,

451
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 1: and I've only skimmed the surface. And I've been in

452
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: therapy for like over a decade now, so it's a

453
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: constant work in progress. And I'm just glad though that

454
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 1: you're at least making connections, because that's like what it's about, right,

455
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: is to kind of be like, huh, yeah, yeah, that

456
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: is what happens.

457
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 3: Why does that happen?

458
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 4: And truly I mention all this too because it feels better,

459
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 4: Like I feel better.

460
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Speaker 2: It's been a real fucking education. But I also could

461
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 2: not stop laughing.

462
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I'm so happy for you in so many ways.

463
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 3: I love this therapist for you. I love she.

464
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: I love that she was just clocked you within two

465
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: fucking seconds, like what.

466
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,479
Speaker 4: The best because she she's like, I thought you were

467
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 4: gonna show me a picture of like some gorgeous model

468
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 4: from like Italy or something, and she's like, what the

469
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 4: fuck is that? She reacted like I showed her a

470
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 4: picture of a snake eating a rat or something.

471
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: She was like, I'm sorry, what.

472
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna show.

473
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 2: Me a picture of like a len De lawn or something.

474
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, oh wait, this is not like nineties Antonio Banderas.

475
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: It's actually just toxic waste seeping out of a corroded drum.

476
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 2: It's it's just the toxic Avengers smiling. You know that picture.

477
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: He has the teeth, he's really nice teeth.

478
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: Listen, even the toxic Avenger goes to the dentist.

479
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 4: Okay, and I'm like, but the toxic Yeah, he's the

480
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 4: toxic Avenger, But look at that smile. And she's like,

481
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to do is get you to see

482
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 4: the toxic part, not the smile, Like, don't focus it

483
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 4: on the nice smile. Look at the fact that he's

484
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 4: literally made of toxic weight.

485
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: But he does have pride and he loves children. Oh god.

486
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 4: So yeah, let's get into these movies before I reveal

487
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 4: more of my inner self.

488
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: Do I feel like we're not going to be pivoting

489
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: too much here with our theme in a way, because

490
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to drill down deep into your psyche

491
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: once again, Daniel, because I am announcing it this week.

492
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't care I want to. I'm doing it.

493
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: Because I have been wanting to do this theme since

494
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: the moment you invoked it, like I swear I think

495
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: was the first year of the podcast. We are finally

496
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: finally doing a theme, and it's called Christian has Risen.

497
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 3: In honor of Easter.

498
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: Perhaps we are finally doing a Christian Slater themed episode.

499
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 4: A Christian has risen in our hearts and minds and

500
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 4: continues the shame cycle that.

501
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: My therapist get me on this week emotional mayhem watching

502
00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 2: these movies again.

503
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we probably picked some of his

504
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: finest dirt bags, Like his finest dirt bag roles are

505
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: like reflected in this episode.

506
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 4: I wish, I wish we could have chosen pump up

507
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 4: the volume because I think that's like a sleezy that's

508
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 4: not really dirt bag. Sure, it's like a sleezy, but

509
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 4: he's smart and kind.

510
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 2: Of cool, and like, yeah, pump up the Volume didn't

511
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: really fit the mold. But these two take the fucking cake.

512
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure in my movie he lives in

513
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: like a dank basement that has water coming from the ceiling.

514
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 2: Yours is a mess.

515
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: It's a mess.

516
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: We've been talking about doing this for a long time,

517
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: and I just I mean, I think this is all

518
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: based on sort of Danielle's teenage crush Krushian Slater. We've

519
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: been talking about this for years, and I'm just finally

520
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: glad that we're going.

521
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: To tackle these two films. I've been talking about my

522
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: film forever too.

523
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

524
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Speaker 1: So it just feels like this is like a full

525
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: circle moment and I'm so excited to.

526
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: Do it finally. And just to fact that it's called

527
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 3: Christiana's Risen.

528
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Speaker 4: I just thought that was funny and it's the best.

529
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 4: Did that come from a listener or is that from US?

530
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 4: I think that's from US.

531
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Speaker 3: I think that's from US.

532
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, Yeah, I don't want to not give credit,

533
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 2: but no credit.

534
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: US were geniuses. Come on, you know what, I.

535
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: Don't remember a damn thing that I say. Nothing.

536
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 4: I don't remember what we just talked about five minutes ago.

537
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 4: But I'm so fucking excited. I'm gonna go first.

538
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my god, what a film.

539
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: Because holy shit.

540
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 4: My movie was released in nineteen eighty nine. It was

541
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 4: written by Daniel Waters, directed by Michael Lehman. My movie

542
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: is Heather's.

543
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: Sorry to Hear about your friend thought she was your

544
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: usual airhead bitch.

545
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: Woo, this is a one. This is a one.

546
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 4: Now this for me, I mean Gleaming the Cube. Yes,

547
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 4: kicked off the Christian Slater athon.

548
00:26:59,160 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 2: That was my heart.

549
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, from like nineteen eighty six, eighty seven until whenever.

550
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: This movie was my favorite Christian Slater for a very

551
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 4: long time. And I was shocked shocked in this rewatch

552
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: because I have seen this movie.

553
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: I'm not joking. I have seen this movie over one

554
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: hundred times. Oh sure. I watched it.

555
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 4: Every single day in the summer between sixth and seventh grade.

556
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, or no, seventh and eighth grade.

557
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it easily double digits or triple digits, yeah, every

558
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: single day.

559
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 4: I watched over one hundred times in my life. I

560
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 4: know from this rewatch. Shocked to know I still know

561
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 4: every single word. Yea, it is in there, like I

562
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 4: know every fucking word from the credits, from credit to credit,

563
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 4: and I was talking along with it like I was

564
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 4: talking back to an old friend.

565
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: It is fucked.

566
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 4: I will also say that Daniel Waters and Michael Lehman

567
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 4: are the team behind the famed flop Hudson Hawk.

568
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: Oh well, we got to do a Hudson Hawk for

569
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: the podcast one of these days.

570
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 4: Maybe at a bonus, but also your boy Lehman directed Airheads.

571
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: Duh, hello can of our generation?

572
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: Daniel Waters too, by the way, Like, I mean, look,

573
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: this movie, I really can't think of another movie that

574
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: is like crystallized the kind of gen X sensibility are really.

575
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely And I know that it was recently made

576
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 4: into I don't know. I think they did a Broadway

577
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 4: play and maybe a new TV show or something. I

578
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 4: don't recognize those. I only recognize the nineteen eighty nine original.

579
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, ohh same. It's like it's like textual cannon.

580
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: But then the thing about this movie, besides the fact

581
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: that it's just sort of like it's it was like

582
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: a huge defining film for people of our generation, but

583
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: it also was my entry point into Christian Slater's persona

584
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: as an actor, Like this was the role that informed

585
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: my entire perspective of him, Like he is this character

586
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: in every movie you know?

587
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 4: For me anyway, this is when he started to become

588
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 4: mini Jack Nicholson essentially, Yeah, because he wasn't doing that

589
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 4: in Gleaming the Cube, but he became mini Jack Nicholson

590
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 4: in this film for sure.

591
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of our generation's Jack Nicholson in that like sarcastic,

592
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: like you know, monotone like way, and just like his attitude.

593
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: His characters were all informed by this in my mind,

594
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: even when I watched my movie, which is totally incredibly

595
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: different than your film. Right, I'm like, I know he's

596
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: supposed to be this character, but he's actually JD again,

597
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: Like I'm always thinking of him as JD.

598
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: You know, he's j D again.

599
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: I feel I feel it and also shot. I will

600
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 4: also just say I know that Gleaming the Cube and

601
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: Heather's came out in the same year.

602
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: I saw Gleaming the Cube first, so.

603
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, yeah that was opposite.

604
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 4: So but yeah, you're right, like he kind of played

605
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: this dude for a long time after first playing.

606
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: This dude, even in cuffs. Yeah, remember that movie Cuffs.

607
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: Do I know? Cuffs?

608
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: He was that dude in cuffs, he was this dude

609
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 4: like it kind of pigeonholed him for a while. And

610
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 4: I know that in interviews he has said that he

611
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 4: hated it. Yeah, I'm like, but you did it to yourself.

612
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Hollywood also, that's that's what they wanted from

613
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: him they wanted, and that be the sarcastic gen.

614
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: X guy exactly.

615
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 4: And I think it's also important to note in talking

616
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: about and I promise Pop will talk about the movie

617
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 4: in a minute, but it's important to note in talking

618
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 4: about how influential this movie was on our generation. Please

619
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 4: remember nobody cool watched this movie or nobody popular, and like,

620
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: this was not a popular movie for all kids, the

621
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 4: way that The Broadway and you know, subsequent productions made

622
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 4: it seem like this was a movie for us. It's

623
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: a movie for losers, for nerds, for people who felt

624
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 4: completely out of place in high school. There's not a

625
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: single person I went to high school with who watched

626
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 4: this movie that was considered popular or on a sports

627
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 4: team or anything. So I think that line has since

628
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: been blurred. But part of the reason why it was

629
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: so influential is that it felt like it was directed

630
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 4: towards a population of children that never got discussed in

631
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 4: popular culture at that point.

632
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, and like that's the beauty of it.

633
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: That's why I think people still love it.

634
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't know anybody my age that

635
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: doesn't love this movie. I really don't like and that's

636
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: not hyperbole. That's literally like if I went down the

637
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 1: list of like if I just went in my phone

638
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: and like called every single person who's within a five

639
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: year age range of me, they would unequivocally say that

640
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: this is a classic and they.

641
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 4: Love it absolutely absolutely. So now we will get into

642
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 4: the film. My one sentenced synopsis which I don't even

643
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 4: know if I can do it justice, but homicidal teenage

644
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 4: boy relocates to a school run by a group of

645
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 4: color coded same named girls, starts picking people off, and

646
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 4: attracts the attention of a monocle wearing introvert, per fact,

647
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 4: So we all know that the thing that was unique

648
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 4: about this film right off the bat was the fact

649
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 4: that they used very weird slang and they played croquet,

650
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: and these were like they were just completely incongruous with

651
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 4: the world around them. These were teenage girls who were

652
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 4: completely incongruous with the world around them. They were all

653
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 4: from very well to do families and they ran the school.

654
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 4: Like you know, there were a clique that ran the

655
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: school which we were all very familiar with in.

656
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty nine, and they were all called Heather.

657
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 4: What the exception of one, So you have Heather Duke

658
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: played by Shannon Doherty, Heather mac damara played by Lassan Falk,

659
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: and Heather Chandler Kim Walker. And they all had their

660
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 4: own colors. They always were black and white plus their color,

661
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: and red was the predominant color of the main bitch,

662
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: and that was Heather Chandler. Heather McNamara wore yellow, Heather

663
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: Duke wore green. And then you have Veronica, who has

664
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: recently joined the Heathers, even though her name is not

665
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 4: Heather and her color is blue, and she's kind of

666
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: a she's kind of at a step with them from

667
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 4: the beginning, like she's a she's a journal or she's

668
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 4: an aggressive journaler. You've never seen anyone journal so hard

669
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 4: in your fucking life. Yeah, Veronica writes. This is something

670
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: that's always bothered me. She writes so huge. It's like

671
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 4: she goes through a whole book in one day. Like

672
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: the words as there. As the camera's following her writing,

673
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: you're like, these are huge, Like you're not, You're taking

674
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 4: up all the space for one sentence per page.

675
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: She's just so passionate. She's got to write as big

676
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: as possible.

677
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: She's so passionate. She has a little monocle.

678
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 4: She sits in a dress with a silk robe, which

679
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 4: again is hilarious because it's all the pretentious shit that

680
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 4: teenagers do to make themselves feel like they're more adult

681
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 4: than they actually are.

682
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: Her journal is very important.

683
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 4: Because it also emphasizes the fact later we emphasize the

684
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 4: fact that Veronica can copy anyone's handwriting, so as we

685
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 4: open the movie, we realize that she has this skill

686
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 4: and also that she used to be a nerd, Like

687
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: very recently, she used to be a nerd, which is

688
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 4: evidenced by the fact that she talks about of her

689
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: old friends played by Renee Stevez and her friend Betty.

690
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 4: Her old friend Betty who she tries to have a

691
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 4: conversation with, and Heather Chandler drags her away and she's like, oh,

692
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 4: but I was like talking to Betty, so Veronica, I

693
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: don't know if you felt this then or now, but

694
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 4: I feel like Veronica always had a heart and.

695
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 2: She had her own mind.

696
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 4: Yes, whereas Heather Duke and Heather McNamara were more lemmings,

697
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 4: Veronica had her own personality, her own kind of direction,

698
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: which made me wonder And this is some that was

699
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 4: never covered in the film. And the only thing that

700
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 4: I wish they had spent even two minutes on, why

701
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: did you want to join the Heathers in the first place?

702
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: That is all, Yeah, I've never understood that.

703
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 4: You know.

704
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the thing we were talking about earlier,

705
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: which is like there's this allure of the popular kid

706
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: and the hot girl, the hot guy whatever.

707
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

708
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: Like, it's just like when you're not that, when you

709
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: are like lower down the hierarchy. I mean, I don't know,

710
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: do I want to get into like a Marxist criticism

711
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: of Heathers. Maybe we could go there, but it's that

712
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: moment where you're just like, yeah, I don't know, I

713
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: don't feel in step with these people. I'm obviously like

714
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: one foot out in a lot of ways at that age,

715
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: especially if you're in high school and like a popular

716
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: person reaches out to you and like says, hey, come

717
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: and join our club. Even if you're so like anti

718
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: the principles of this group, there is this feeling of Wow,

719
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: they want me to be a part of it, and

720
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I guess I'm just gonna

721
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: try it out bare minimum it right, And I think

722
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: that's kind of like what I felt with her. And

723
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: I think there's also like a moment where I feel

724
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: like Veronica desires changing them, Like she wants to like

725
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: make them better people, right, which is obviously like such

726
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: a futile task, like there's no way she can do that.

727
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: But she wants to try completely. I like kind of

728
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 3: being that like, you know, other side for them.

729
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, I think six she's way too

730
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: cool for them, way too smart. She knows exactly what

731
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: they're up to, but she still feels like, I don't know,

732
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: I'm a high school girl that like suddenly is now

733
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: part of this group, and maybe I need to try

734
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: it out, and maybe if I try, I can be

735
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: like a positive influence.

736
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: Right.

737
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 4: That's a really good perspective on it, because I never

738
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 4: considered that that she was trying to make them better. Yeah,

739
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 4: by being around them, I think she could have stood

740
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: a chance with two of the Heather's. Heather Chandler was

741
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 4: never going to change.

742
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: She was like a queen Bee from day one, was

743
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: never going to change. But I think she could have

744
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 2: had more influence with the other two.

745
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think, honestly, the one that feels

746
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: the most like flippable is Heather Mcnamerica.

747
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: She feels like she seems kind of nice.

748
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like like you said, there's Heather's in

749
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: the group that are not interested in becoming good people.

750
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: They just love the power.

751
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but I gotta say too, to your

752
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: exact point, I would say in eighty nine and maybe

753
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: when we were growing up, it was very black and

754
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: white in terms of popular kids versus.

755
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 3: Not popular kids. Like, absolutely, I didn't know many floaters.

756
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 3: I'll just put it that.

757
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 2: Way, right me either, me either? Yeah, I agree.

758
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 4: And Heather Chandler is a force to be fucking reckoned with.

759
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: She talks the weirdest of all of them.

760
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 4: For example, she tells Veronica real life sucks losers dry.

761
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 4: If you want to fuck with the Eagles, you have

762
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 4: to learn to fly.

763
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: She in full metal jacket.

764
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 2: What the fuck exactly? What were you a nom? Heather Chandler?

765
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

766
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: She always say is very like oh, it's so very

767
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: and just like weird. Like my favorite though, is when

768
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 4: she Veronica asks her something and she turns to her

769
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 4: and she just all seriousness says, well, fuck me gently

770
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 4: with a chainsaw.

771
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: She's a weirdo.

772
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: She's absolutely been in some kind of world war that

773
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: we didn't know about. And she does these lunchtime polls

774
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 4: where she goes around and talks to all, you know,

775
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 4: two different groups of people. But Veronica's trying to get

776
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 4: her a branch out because she only ever talks to

777
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 4: the popular kids. So when we first meet this group

778
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 4: and see how they interact, we do it and I

779
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 4: think the perfect place, which is the school cafeteria the

780
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 4: lunch room, so we get to see all their personalities

781
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 4: at play. For example, we've got these two football players,

782
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: Kurt Kelly and Ramsweeney, who are complete dicks and just

783
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: high five and talk shit about girls and like just

784
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 4: the worst of the worst of the worst. We get

785
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 4: to see kind of the nerdy guys doing like the

786
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 4: fundraiser or like they're trying to do a fundraiser for

787
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: humanity's purposes. And we get to meet Martha Dunstock, who

788
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 4: is the larger girl in school who everyone is comfortable

789
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 4: making fun of, although I should say all the popular

790
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 4: people are happy to make fun of, but it makes

791
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 4: Veronica's skin crawl. So even though she doesn't like it,

792
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 4: Heather asks her to write a letter in Kurt's handwriting

793
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 4: asking Martha.

794
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 2: Out, and she does.

795
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: But again, the power dynamics are so at play in

796
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 4: such an interesting way in this scene because she makes

797
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 4: Heather Duke bend over so she has something to write

798
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 4: on and she does, and it's just kind of like

799
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 4: it's so it's you know, you start out very strange

800
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 4: in a very strange fashion where you're watching Heather exhibit

801
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 4: Heather's chandler exhibit a tremendous amount of power over people

802
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 4: who are very reluctant to do what she wants them

803
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 4: to do, but they do it anyway. And JD is

804
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: watching this whole thing. So we have Jason dean literal

805
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 4: dark horse, sitting in the back corner of the fucking

806
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 4: cafeteria watching the whole thing, and he is so confused.

807
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 4: So Veronica he catches his eye like they kind of

808
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 4: look at each other, and he's looking at.

809
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: Her like, huh, who what's going on?

810
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: Why are you doing that? Like he's just expressing a

811
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 4: lot through those eyebrows. Yes, And she eventually walks over

812
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 4: to him. After you know, they make fun of Martha,

813
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 4: Martha runs away. She's very upset because she brings the

814
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 4: note to Kurt. It is like, what's this about? And

815
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 4: he starts laughing at her in her face, and it's horrible,

816
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 4: horrible scene to watch. To watch poor Martha, who's played

817
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 4: by Carrie Lynn. It's very hard to watch her being

818
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 4: made fun of so intensely. But Veronica very quickly forgets

819
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 4: her shame and just goes over to talk to JD.

820
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: And let me tell you what this dude is all about.

821
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: It Right now, he's wearing a long black duster, he's

822
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 4: got dyed black hair. And in nineteen eighty nine, I

823
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 4: had never seen anybody hotter so true. And when I

824
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: was watching it this time, I was like, my fucking

825
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 4: therapist needs to know that. This is the beginning, one

826
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: of the beginnings of me being attracted to people my

827
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 4: own age was this dude.

828
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he is foul.

829
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.

830
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 4: First and foremost, she says hello, and he says greetings

831
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 4: and salutations.

832
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: Can I just tell you run away?

833
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: There are people still saying that, like, oh my god.

834
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 1: My professor, one of my professors, on like the first

835
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: day of class opened up the class with greetings and salutations.

836
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, this is everlasting. This simple three word

837
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: statement from this character.

838
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 4: And I know he wasn't the first and only person

839
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 4: to say it, obviously, but like he popularized it.

840
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: For us in that way, of course.

841
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: In that way. So run away right away, first, first

842
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: and foremost. If someone's like you're eatings.

843
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 4: And salient asios, get away from that dude who has

844
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 4: an affect, Any dude with an affect, You don't need that.

845
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 2: In your life.

846
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 4: Then she asked him the lunchtime poll question about like,

847
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 4: what would you do if it was your last day

848
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: on earth and you got like a million dollars or whatever?

849
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 4: And he says, well, I probably did get a bottle

850
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 4: of tequila, my sax and some Bach. Dude, three giant

851
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 4: red flags, all of it tequila, sacks Bach. We first

852
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 4: and foremost, Mozart one hundred Bach fucking Bach.

853
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: Are you talking about a sax? I'd rather you bring.

854
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 4: A key tar in a sex gross and a bottle

855
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 4: of tequila.

856
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 2: You're fifteen years old, sir, get a grip.

857
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he look, this is a type. I'm

858
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: just saying it, this smarmy little shit being like my

859
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: saxophone and my buck and oh getting on a boat.

860
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: Isn't that part of it too? Where he's like, let's

861
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: get on the boat in the middle of the water

862
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: and just watch the world.

863
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: Beard. I'm like, what JD shut.

864
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: I would have just turned on my heel and walked away,

865
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 4: thanks for answering the lunchtime hole, goodbye gross. But Veronica's

866
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 4: into it and she leaves before he does something that

867
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 4: solidifies what his personality is about. And again this is

868
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 4: pre Columbine era yea, when Ram and Kurt go over

869
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 4: to kind of fuck with him because he's talking to

870
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: their ladies. He's talking to the Heathers and Veronica, he

871
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 4: stands up and it looks like he shoots them dead

872
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 4: in the face. Like he stands up, pulls a huge

873
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 4: gun out of his jacket, yeah, and shoots it at them. Now,

874
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 4: we do come to find out that they were blanks.

875
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 4: But this is what this dude is about, Like he's

876
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: all about the shock value. He's all about like I'm

877
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 4: the cool guy, or so we think, because this is

878
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 4: before we realize that he is actually fucking homicidal.

879
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: It's so like they.

880
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 4: Were kind of lucky there were blanks, because you can't

881
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 4: put it past once you find out who this dude

882
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 4: is for real, you can't put it past him.

883
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

884
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 4: So there's another scene with Veronica and Heather going to

885
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 4: a college party. Get me corn nuts, b kyr plane BQ.

886
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: They're going to this college party. She sees JD in

887
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 4: a convenience store and he reveals that he's moved around

888
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 4: a lot that his father owns this big construction company.

889
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 4: Oh your pop's big bud Dean. Yeah, he's like this

890
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 4: big construction dude. And we're kind of hearing about the

891
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 4: scene in retrospect as Veronica's writing about it in her

892
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 4: fucking journal with her huge handwriting and har monocle. But

893
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 4: she basically goes to this party with Heather after she

894
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 4: runs into JD in this convenience store and he gets

895
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: her a slushy and she goes to this college party,

896
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 4: which is a big deal for Heather Chandler. Heather Chandler

897
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 4: has kind of given this dude a blow job and

898
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: just filled with self loathing, and Veronica pukes on her

899
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 4: shoes and it's just kind of a fucking mess. So

900
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 4: Heather kind of is like, I'm going to ruin your life, Veronica,

901
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 4: like you're out once Monday rolls around, I'm ruining your

902
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 4: fucking life.

903
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: So as Veronica's writing this down.

904
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 4: JD sneaks in through her window, which one, how do

905
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 4: you know where I fucking live?

906
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 2: And two another red flag?

907
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, like sir, So he comes in through her bedroom window,

908
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 4: which is not as romantic as the fucking Beatles song

909
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 4: We'll have You Believe. And they decide to play a

910
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 4: prank on Heather Chandler to make her sick and just

911
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 4: kind of put her in her place. So the prank

912
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 4: that Veronica comes up with is she goes into Heather.

913
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: They go into Heather's house, her parents aren't there, and

914
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 4: she's like, I'm gonna mix milk and OJ and make

915
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 4: her puke and ruin her fucking life, and you know,

916
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 4: blah blah blah, it's just gonna be a cute little prank.

917
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: JD goes immediately to I'm gonna hold up this jar

918
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 4: drain and this is what we should be using.

919
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: She's like, uh, that'll kill her, you idiot.

920
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 4: So she pours her milk and OJ cup into a

921
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 4: cup with a lid, like a weird ceramic lid cup situation.

922
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: That I haven't quite seen.

923
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like a sugar bowl, but like it's

924
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: a mug, and he pours his drado and then they

925
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 4: kiss and she grabs the wrong mug as they're kissing,

926
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 4: and he doesn't stop her. So when they give Heather

927
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 4: the cup and she drinks it, she fucking dies. She

928
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 4: crashes through the coffee table because her bedroom has a

929
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 4: coff a glass coffee.

930
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: Table, cornuts, cornnuts.

931
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 4: And her mouth is all blue and she dies, and

932
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 4: it's like, oh shit, we just killed the most popular

933
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 4: girl in school.

934
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: What are we gonna do? JD.

935
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 4: Let's frame it to look like a suicide. You can

936
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 4: do her handwriting. Veronica write a fucking suicide note, So

937
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 4: they fucking do they frame it to look like a suicide.

938
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 4: Somehow their teachers get a hold of it. There's no

939
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 4: chain of command in the Sherwood Police Department because their

940
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 4: art teacher, Pauline Fleming.

941
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: Has gotten a hold of the note, and.

942
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 4: She's like, we should do something so that you know,

943
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 4: suicide is not this is a problem in the school.

944
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: But I don't know how that happened. But she gets

945
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 2: a hold of the note.

946
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 4: So the funeral itself is fantastic, and it's not the

947
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 4: only funeral we're going to see in this movie.

948
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: But the funeral is fucking great.

949
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 4: They're kind of doing the interior monologue of everyone who's

950
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 4: saying their final goodbyes to Heather Chandler, and Heather Duke

951
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 4: is thrilled. She's like, thank fucking God, Like I hated

952
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 4: this bit forever. She's made my life a live in hell.

953
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 4: Thank God she's dead. Veronica's filled with guilt and you know, again,

954
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 4: doesn't understand that JD saw her making this mistake and

955
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: let it happen.

956
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: JD drives by and sees Kurt and Ram picking.

957
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 4: On a younger kid who's at the funeral, and right

958
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 4: around that time, as he's driving by, Heather McNamara is

959
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 4: asking Veronica to go on a double day with Curt

960
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 4: and Ram, and she's looking at these idiots torturing this

961
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 4: kid and she's like, really really, but she does. They

962
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 4: go on a stupid date and it's just high school

963
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 4: bullshit where they're cow tipping, and Veronica doesn't want to

964
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 4: sleep with Kurt, so he spreads a rumor about her,

965
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 4: and so she and JD decide to get back at

966
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 4: him at curtin Ram by pretending to meet up with

967
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: him in the woods for a threesome.

968
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 2: With Ram.

969
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: This is where Veronica finally wakes up because as they're

970
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 4: planning this fucking prank, JD tells her the bullets are fake.

971
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: They're igloga bullets that look like.

972
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 4: They hit the skin and make me maybe I'll see

973
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 4: a little bit of blood, but it doesn't actually do anything.

974
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, and she believes it until they get

975
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 4: to the wooded area that they have cleared to meet

976
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 4: Kurt and Ram in and she makes them strip. JD

977
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 4: pops out of the trees and shoots Ram and then

978
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 4: she kind of is laughing and shoots at Kurt but

979
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 4: she misses, and she's like, I no, bigdale the joke.

980
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 4: Right as he's chasing Kurt, she realizes Ram is dead,

981
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 4: like she's touching his dead body, and she's like, oh shit.

982
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: So there's this weird chase and.

983
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 4: They finally get Kurt and she actually is the one

984
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: who pulls the trigger. So now she's complicit in these

985
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 4: murders yep. Which the part of the scene that always

986
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 4: fucked me up the most is like they murdered two people,

987
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 4: and then in order to get away from the cops

988
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 4: who heard the gunshots, there are cops at the edge

989
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 4: of the woods who hear the gunshots and are kind

990
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 4: of chasing the sound. They just run to her car

991
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 4: and start making out and having sex.

992
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: Murdered people, Let's have sex. It worked.

993
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 4: The cops went away, I mean fast thinking. But there's

994
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 4: another wonderful funeral scene. As j As JD and Veronica

995
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 4: pull up the school, this kid runs up to them

996
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 4: and is like, did you hear Curtin?

997
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: Did you hear schools canceled today?

998
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 4: Because curt and Ram killed themse elves and are pressed

999
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 4: homosexual suicide.

1000
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: Path the best?

1001
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

1002
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 4: And they're buried in their helmets and it looks like

1003
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 4: a more suicide, so now you know. Pauline Fleming is

1004
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 4: fully like, we have to do something. This is crazy.

1005
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 4: Everyone's killing themselves. Martha Dunstock tries to kill herself by

1006
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 4: walking into traffic. She gets hurt, but she doesn't die.

1007
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 4: Heather macnamara tries to kill herself. It's just this ongoing,

1008
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 4: rolling now issue of kids looking at all these suicides

1009
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 4: of the popular people in school and wondering if they

1010
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 4: should be doing the same thing.

1011
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: Yea.

1012
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 4: And in the midst of all this, Heather Duke comes

1013
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 4: into her own and she is the new leader of

1014
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 4: the fucking school. I can't imagine nobody has seen this movie.

1015
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: But I'm not going to ruin the ending, but I

1016
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 4: will just say that eventually Veronica gets sick of JD's

1017
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 4: bullshit and realizing that he actually wants to kill everybody.

1018
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 4: We get his sob story, which she doesn't even seem

1019
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 4: that bothered by, about how his mother died by suicide

1020
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 4: in one of his father's buildings, right before his father

1021
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 4: blew it.

1022
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: Up and demolished it.

1023
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 4: And then we get Veronica trying to redeem herself. I

1024
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 4: will say, but yeah, it's just it's a great fucking movie.

1025
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 4: We've got a radio show called Hot Props that kids

1026
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 4: are calling into. I fucking love it. We've got the again,

1027
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 4: this hilarious funeral with Kurt and Ram and his father crying,

1028
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 4: my son's homosexual, but I love him.

1029
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: I love him, A dead gay son.

1030
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 3: Classic.

1031
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a movie that keeps on giving even now,

1032
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 4: even if it fills me with shame of how hard

1033
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: I rode for Christians later in this era.

1034
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 3: Look, you would obviously not be the only person.

1035
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: It's so funny because I know we have a lot

1036
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: of people our age who listen to this podcast, but

1037
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: we also have a lot of younger people too.

1038
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 3: And I just really can't underscore.

1039
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: It enough how this movie was like such a you know,

1040
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: important film for people of a certain age.

1041
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: But that Christian Slater.

1042
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: Particularly was the dude, Like he was this character. He's

1043
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: a evil fuck in this movie. But we loved him

1044
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: because he hated the popular kids.

1045
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 4: Yep, I mean there's a hate killed them. No, he

1046
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 4: went the distance. We all hated the popular kids. He

1047
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 4: went the fucking distance.

1048
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 3: He was just sociopathic enough to do the deed.

1049
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: But you know, in that moment, you're like, is there

1050
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: anybody cooler than Christian Slater?

1051
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: I don't think so. Same thing for Winona Ryder.

1052
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: I must say, like the two of them together like

1053
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: the anti social awesome couple of the century as far

1054
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 1: as I was concerned back then, completely you know. So yeah,

1055
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: Like I'm just saying, like I know that you wrote

1056
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: so hard for Christian in this era, but you know what,

1057
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: like in this movie, this is like a starmaking.

1058
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: Role, so and I get it.

1059
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 4: I think it really made both of them stand out

1060
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 4: in a way that they hadn't to that point. Yeah,

1061
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 4: Wenona Ryder definitely showed off some comedy chops and some

1062
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 4: like you know, she was really she is amazing in

1063
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 4: this movie as far as I'm concerned, where she so

1064
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 4: believably rides that line between I'm popular and I don't

1065
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 4: want to be Yeah, and like you were saying, I

1066
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 4: think I can make them better. But Christian Slater, he

1067
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 4: had risen in this film in my estimation wildly. Yeah,

1068
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 4: I mean the dyed hair, that everything about it was very,

1069
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 4: very appealing.

1070
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: Yes, totally agree. Then my film happened.

1071
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: Your movie, which.

1072
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: I feel like I definitely have to apology.

1073
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: I have not seen this movie since it came out.

1074
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 4: And let me also tell you that this movie contributed

1075
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 4: to the hard dissolution of my feelings for Christians. Later,

1076
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I'm not not about it, not

1077
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 4: about that life anymore.

1078
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: Listen, in the true spirit of therapy, I will definitely

1079
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: talk about how many times they've seen this film, how

1080
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: much I loved this film, and it.

1081
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 3: Is kind of embarrassing.

1082
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: We'll go forth.

1083
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 3: So where are my notes? Oh my god, Oh my god,

1084
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 3: hold on, please, oh god.

1085
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: This is I feel like we're moving from like quality

1086
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: to not quality in a very short whereas I.

1087
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: Feel like it's a very lateral shift. They're on the

1088
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: same line.

1089
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 3: I'm glad somebody feels that way takes the guilt off me.

1090
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 4: There's also a weird theme in these movies of Christian's

1091
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 4: later creeping into windows.

1092
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: Oh that did happen both of us?

1093
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this is so crazy.

1094
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Speaker 1: Okay, I can't believe I'm finally talking about this movie

1095
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: on the podcast. So my movie for the theme, Christian

1096
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: has Risen was a movie from nineteen ninety three. It

1097
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: was written by Tom Sercio, directed by Tony Bill and

1098
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: it's called Untamed Heart.

1099
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 2: Starlight Start Wright first stories, he Light, I wish and

1100
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: may I wish my yea, this wish I wished tonight.

1101
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: That's Mars hoping you the cut out, that's Mars.

1102
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 4: I just wish to off planet.

1103
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: We all know what's going on here. Like I've mentioned

1104
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: this on the podcast many times, this movie. I actually

1105
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: know this movie back wheres in a forwards too, And

1106
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: I cried many times watching this movie, like I came

1107
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: front front to back, like I'm so imparising. So it

1108
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: was funny because it when it came out, I was

1109
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: obsessed with it and watched it. I think I actually

1110
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: saw it in the theater, but we watched it a lot,

1111
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 1: a lot on VHS. So when I was a full adult,

1112
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: full ass adult, I had this deep desire to watch

1113
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: it again, right, So I went down at the time,

1114
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: the Blockbuster video chain was still open and I had

1115
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: this desire to watch it again. So I went down

1116
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: to my local Blockbuster, which was like in my neighborhood,

1117
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: it was within walking distance, and bought.

1118
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 3: It on DVD Standard Def DVD, and it was like

1119
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 3: thirty dollars. I don't know why I paid that much money.

1120
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 3: And of course, like every person working at Blockbuster.

1121
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 1: Was like this, like cool dude that I sort of knew,

1122
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: and they were like, oh my god, this woman coming

1123
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: in here and buying a thirty dollars DVD of Untamed

1124
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: Heart like.

1125
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 2: Loser.

1126
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 4: Well give it a couple of years Blockbusters at a business.

1127
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: Who's the loser now exactly? And that is exactly how

1128
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: it played out. This was the last purchase that I

1129
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: made at a Blockbuster before it went out of business,

1130
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: because it went out of business literally like six months after.

1131
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: It's a high note to go out on.

1132
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: A one sentenced synopsis of Untamed Heart, A quiet and

1133
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: quirky dishwasher is told in his childhood that he has

1134
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: a bad Boons heart, and he uses it to fall

1135
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: in love with a waitress in his diner.

1136
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: Amazing.

1137
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, first and foremost, nobody should be putting.

1138
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 4: Putting nuns in charge of children was a very bad idea.

1139
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 3: Say you have experienced working with nuns? Was this in practice?

1140
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 3: For them to completely lie to children about their origins.

1141
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: I worked with the.

1142
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 4: Franciscan Sisters of the Poor, and they were not about

1143
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 4: that life lie in to anybody about anything.

1144
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: They were truthful to a goddamn fault.

1145
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and would tell all your business yes, just because

1146
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 4: it was a fact that they knew.

1147
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: Yes.

1148
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: So let me try to tell you a little bit

1149
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: about this movie, because hopefully this will make sense to you.

1150
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, I just have to let every listener

1151
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 4: know that I am pulling myself away from the microphone

1152
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 4: because I'm already laughing so hard. So just know that

1153
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 4: the silence in the background is me not being able

1154
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 4: to catch my breath from laughter.

1155
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: So our boy Christian plays a young man named Adam,

1156
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: and essentially he's living in an orphanage and he's being

1157
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: raised by these nuns in the orphanage, and he has

1158
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: a heart effect right in real life he has the

1159
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 1: little boy has a heart to defect in real life.

1160
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: But the nuns too, I suppose make him less scared.

1161
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: Have told him that his real father was some kind

1162
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: of like adventurer. I just assume that he looked like

1163
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: Clark Gable or something that he has like a pencil

1164
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: thin mustache. He was wearing those like jonnipers or like

1165
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: a panama hat, yes, like on the set of Mogombo

1166
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: or something like that. So they've said that his father

1167
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: is a adventurer and he was traversing the jungle looking

1168
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: for rubies and essentially stole the.

1169
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: Rubies of this baboon king.

1170
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 4: So again, white people are unstoppable. White people are even nuns.

1171
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 4: They are unstoppable. Yes, when it comes to describing a

1172
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 4: scene in any kind of foreign land, yes, oh god.

1173
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: So basically they're anthropomorphizing this baboon king to this little

1174
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: boy and said, you know, your father stole the baboon

1175
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: king's jewels, and you know, the baboon king like maimed

1176
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: and killed him for it, but then later finds out

1177
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: that your dad was just doing it to get money

1178
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: for your heart transplant. And then the baboon king because

1179
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: he was so distraught because he realized he killed the

1180
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: dad unfairly, like he didn't understand that the baboon, the animal,

1181
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: didn't understand that the human being was taking his.

1182
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 3: Jewels to help his son.

1183
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: And so the baboon ripped his own hood out of

1184
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: his chest and gave it to Adam.

1185
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 3: I think I got that right. Could be wrong.

1186
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 4: Oh good, you unfortunately got every detail absolutely correct.

1187
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: Holy shit, Now I don't have to tell you this

1188
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: don't make no sense, but whatever.

1189
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 3: This is the origin story of this entire film is

1190
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 3: this tale.

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01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 4: And I can understand trying to make a frightened child

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01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 4: feel less afraid. What I can't understand is that they

1193
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 4: never changed the story up until the man left at

1194
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 4: age eighteen.

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01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, babboon story stuck for his entire fucking life.

1196
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 3: Yes, And in fact, I want to believe that this.

1197
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: Character, this Adam character, is yeah, probably in his late teens,

1198
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: early twenties, and still believes.

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01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 3: That he has a bab boon king's heart.

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01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: Okay, but even in the context of the story, it's

1201
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: a little I think it's a little much good, you know,

1202
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: it's like, you don't have to do the Ruby story

1203
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: and the and then yeah, it just doesn't make any

1204
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: sense because you're like, okay, well, then did the baboon

1205
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: king like go to the modern hospital.

1206
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 3: And they were like, who he killed the dad? Who

1207
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 3: would he give his heart to?

1208
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: Was the son like a you know, like in a

1209
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: sling on the dad's back and was like, here's your heart.

1210
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, it doesn't make any sense even in

1211
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: the fake story.

1212
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 4: No, the baboon had a scalpel, clearly saw Adam on

1213
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 4: his dad's back.

1214
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 2: He's like, he maims him.

1215
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 4: And then he as the dad's falling, Adam's on the

1216
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 4: back and he's falling on the front and he's like,

1217
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 4: oh shit, and Adam's like, my heart.

1218
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: And so the baboon King whips out a scalpel and.

1219
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 4: Flices Adam open, rips his bad heart out and puts

1220
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 4: his own heart in and then drops dead on a

1221
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 4: pile next to his dad.

1222
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: And then Adam has to crawl out of the fucking woods.

1223
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 3: Yes, how's that?

1224
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,479
Speaker 2: Adam has to crawl out of the jungle to find

1225
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 2: someone to get him exactly, good lord.

1226
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 3: And then the nuns find him. I don't know. It's

1227
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 3: very convoluted in the fake story. I'm just saying.

1228
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: But here's the saddest part. When I was younger, I

1229
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: definitely thought that that's what was happening. Like, for some reason,

1230
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: it didn't occur to me when I was like a

1231
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: teenager that he did.

1232
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 3: Not have a bab boon heart.

1233
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 2: So dumb, You're like, I see no problems with this

1234
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 2: at all.

1235
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: I was like, this totally is ship shape in terms

1236
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: of a story. I'm like, yes, But interestingly enough, I

1237
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 1: actually just I did not know this until this week.

1238
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: So the writer of the film was actually inspired this

1239
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a nesting doll situation. The

1240
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: writer was inspired by a Paul Simon song that referenced

1241
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: this actual case where a baby in the early eighties

1242
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 1: was given a bab boon heart.

1243
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm thinking of the Paul Simon lyrics right now. Yep,

1244
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 4: the boy in the bubble, the baby with a baboon heart.

1245
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 3: There we go, that's exactly right.

1246
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: Holy shit.

1247
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the writer was influenced by the song Paul

1248
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: Simon was referencing this actual case, which is on the internet.

1249
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: You can totally read about it.

1250
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: Baby fay Fae, I think, is the name of the

1251
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: baby that actually had the baboon heart. And I won't

1252
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: go into it because there's it's a ton of information

1253
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: and it actually changed a lot in terms of like

1254
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: medical ethics and stuff like subsequently, But go.

1255
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 3: And read about it. It's very interesting. But that the

1256
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 3: writer was kind of, you know, two influences removed from that.

1257
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 2: I guess, right, that's wild.

1258
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. I was like, I didn't know any

1259
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 3: of that when I was thirteen and crying.

1260
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 2: I didn't know any of that.

1261
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 5: And I still stand by everything I got, Damn said,

1262
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 5: I know exactly. Look, let's cut to Adam as an adult.

1263
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 5: So you know, he's a baby, he's told this insane

1264
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 5: story by these dunes.

1265
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 3: He's an adult.

1266
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,959
Speaker 1: He lives in a dank basement apartment with his dog,

1267
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of a dirt back.

1268
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying. His hair is really greasy.

1269
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 3: He like eats ice cream literally all day and night.

1270
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 4: Now, listen, listen, listen. He was hotter in this movie

1271
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 4: than he Wasn't heathers to me.

1272
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 3: Don't sick. I wasn't gonna ask you about that.

1273
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 4: He was so hot in this movie The Long Hair,

1274
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 4: he's quiet, he eats ice creamys in this weird little parba,

1275
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 4: which he made look very nice, even if it starts

1276
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 4: out a little creepy. But yeah, I was one hundred

1277
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 4: percent on board with Adam from a stylistic point of view,

1278
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 4: and then attractiveness.

1279
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 2: For sure.

1280
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 4: This is something I should bring up to my therapist

1281
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 4: about my attraction to slease.

1282
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 3: Yes, you should be like, he reads books and he

1283
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 3: listens to classical music.

1284
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's my dude, records books and oh

1285
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 4: my god, that's my dude. And she's like, he lives

1286
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 4: in a hole. He lives in a hole, truly, like

1287
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 4: a hobbit hole.

1288
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 3: It's like made of stone. So yeah, but he has

1289
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 3: so you know.

1290
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: Essentially, he's like he's living in this basement apartment. He

1291
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: busts his tables in a diner, does the dishes. He

1292
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: has this, you know, giant Frankenstein scar across his chest

1293
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: because he had that surgery as a child. And he

1294
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: says very little, and you know, there's parts of the

1295
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: movie where he kind of alludes to why that is,

1296
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: and you know, a lot of it had to do

1297
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: with the fact that since he was such a sickly child.

1298
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: You know, people were afraid to get near him, and

1299
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: he was encouraged not to get near people. So he

1300
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: like has you know, social problems, like he's got issues

1301
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: with people and being you know, I don't know, conversational,

1302
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: I guess. And because of that, he has this very silent,

1303
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: quasi stocky crush on this waitress in the diner named Caroline,

1304
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: and she's played by Marisa Telmey, who is cute as

1305
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: a button in this movie, I have to say, so cute.

1306
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: Carolyne lives at home, she's supposed to be in beauty

1307
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: school and maybe, like Danielle, kind of falls in love

1308
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: with the wrong man sometimes.

1309
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 2: Right.

1310
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: And at the very beginning of the film, she gets

1311
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: dumped by her boyfriend. So she's like already like in

1312
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: a state by the time, you know, she comes across

1313
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: Adam in full And I know what you're thinking too.

1314
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 3: You're watching this movie and you're going, what's up with

1315
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 3: the accent?

1316
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 2: What is up with the voice? Yes, but the voice

1317
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 2: is like a baby voice.

1318
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 6: What a baby baby?

1319
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: It's like a Minnesota meets infant baby. Well, and I'll

1320
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: tell you I read that this was originally supposed to

1321
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: have taken place in New Jersey, but they decided at

1322
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: the last minute to film it in Minneapolis.

1323
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 2: Gotcha.

1324
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 3: And then I read that Marissa Toma actually had a

1325
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 3: dialogue coach on the film to have her speak in

1326
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 3: this minnesodium.

1327
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: Is that?

1328
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 3: What is honey, Minnesotan? Minnesotan.

1329
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 2: I wish Casey was here right now to tell us

1330
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 2: I know Minnesotan.

1331
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he's on paternity to leave, so we

1332
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: can't can't do that, Hi, Casey, Hi? But you know

1333
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: TVD if that was worth it or not, I don't know.

1334
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what to think about this accent. It's okay,

1335
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: but it's the baby thing.

1336
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 3: I think that's very interesting.

1337
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1338
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: So anyway, Caroline barely notices Adam at first, right because

1339
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: he's quiet and he's in the back all the time.

1340
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1341
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: The most that happens, you know, the early scenes of

1342
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: the film is that he cuts himself in the back

1343
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: and she washes his cut.

1344
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 3: But then puts a used dirty dish towel over it

1345
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 3: from the sink.

1346
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 4: I mean, first and foremost, how can you pay attention

1347
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 4: to Adam when your coworker is Rosy Perez? But also

1348
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 4: what we're learning very quickly about Caroline is that she

1349
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 4: has no survival instincts at all.

1350
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 3: Zero.

1351
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 4: Throughout the film, she has no survival and thinks no

1352
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 4: idea how to actually do anything.

1353
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true, it's true.

1354
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: And you know she's just trying to give this poor

1355
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: guy gangreen by putting a nasty ass dishtowel over a

1356
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: giant cut. So she's not really good at like you know,

1357
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 1: first aid perhaps, but in spite of it, he loves

1358
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: her from afar.

1359
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, let me just tell you right now.

1360
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:25,799
Speaker 3: There's a scene in the diner.

1361
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: It's very subtle, where they're sitting there, she's looking at

1362
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: the window watching this like wedding party come out of

1363
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: the diner and they're playing the Cowboy Junkies Blue Moon Revisited.

1364
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: And it is the first time I start crying in

1365
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: this film. Really, yes, I love that song so much

1366
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: that I was like, this is so romantic that the

1367
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: Cowboy Junkies song is playing, and they're just kind of

1368
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: like will they or won't they? I start crying like

1369
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: I did this time as a grown woman. I was like,

1370
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: why am I crying again?

1371
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 3: This is insane?

1372
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 4: But I wonder if those emotions are also part of

1373
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 4: the ingrained nature of having watched a movie over and

1374
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 4: over and over again, Like you're like, this.

1375
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 2: Is my cue to cry. I know, I always cry at.

1376
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 3: This Yeah, of course.

1377
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: And it's completely based on like soundtrack hits and songs

1378
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: from my childhood and you know, and romance of course.

1379
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 3: So that's the first time I start crying. Okay.

1380
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: So then cut to one night, these two fucking thugs

1381
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: come into the diner. As it turns out, one of

1382
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: the guys that comes in is someone that Caroline had

1383
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 1: some drunken relations with once.

1384
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 3: At a party.

1385
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,759
Speaker 1: The other guy is the late great Willie Garson akaa

1386
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: Stanford Blatch from Sex in the City.

1387
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 2: M hmm.

1388
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 3: And when you know that it's him, it's very weird

1389
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:51,719
Speaker 3: to see him be this character.

1390
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 2: Very weird. He was too good at Stanford. It was

1391
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 2: iconic roll, it was an iconic role.

1392
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: So yes, but these two idiots basically follow Carolyn as

1393
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: she's walking home, and that's probably another point we should

1394
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: bring up, is the fact that she walks home.

1395
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 3: Alone a lot at four o'clock in the morning. Yeah,

1396
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 3: not great, which.

1397
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,560
Speaker 2: We should all be free to do. But we know

1398
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 2: that we're not.

1399
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Unfortunately she can't in this era and in this moment,

1400
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: she can't do that. But as it turns out, these

1401
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: two fuckers come out of nowhere and attempt to rape her,

1402
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: attack her, hurt her. But as she blacks out as

1403
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: one of the guys is basically like throwing her head

1404
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: against the snow, Adam comes out of nowhere and saves her. Okay,

1405
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: he beats the shit out of these two dudes, wraps

1406
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: her in his coat, and carries her home. Amazing, and

1407
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: it is the second time I started.

1408
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 4: Oh.

1409
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 2: It is very tender. And of course he knows where

1410
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 2: she lives because he's been following her for a long time.

1411
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: Yes, as it turns out, Adam has been following her

1412
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: home secretly forever, every time she's walked home alone. So

1413
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: he has been kind of like her silent protector, hiding

1414
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: in the shadows. And it's crazy because he like deposits.

1415
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 3: Her on her porch swing and sits on her porch.

1416
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: Waiting for her to like kind of come to and

1417
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 1: when she finally does in the morning, he like doesn't

1418
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: even say anything, he just runs away.

1419
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 3: It just makes me cry.

1420
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 2: It's very tender, very sweet, very very sweet and creepy.

1421
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 2: Your stalk received you from your rapist is a creepy,

1422
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 2: like creepy sentence.

1423
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 3: I didn't know the nuance of that. In ninety three

1424
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this guy is so romantic.

1425
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 2: None of us did. None of us did. That's what

1426
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 2: they told us. Romance was was creeps, of.

1427
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 3: Course, lurking creeps.

1428
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 2: And like look.

1429
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: And this is the moment that Caroline's like Adam in

1430
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:08,560
Speaker 1: the rosy press voice Adam because she realizes that he

1431
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 1: saved her.

1432
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 6: And there's this like very.

1433
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 3: Quickly after the second cry.

1434
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: The third cry is when she's in the mall buy

1435
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,560
Speaker 1: Christmas presents, and then she's going up the escalator and

1436
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's going down.

1437
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 3: He touches her hand on the escalator at the mall. No,

1438
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 3: I cannot I I started crying again again.

1439
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 2: This is like this week when you watch the movie.

1440
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: Oh yes, the other forty something times that I've seen

1441
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: this movie, I've cried at that mall thing every time.

1442
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: Very tender Milly, I I'm a tender match, what can

1443
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: I say? So, of course at this point Caroline is

1444
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: now like Adam. She asked for BFF. Sidney played by

1445
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: Rosie Press, who Daniel talked about. Sidney's like Adam, Adam,

1446
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: he's weird and I hate his hair, but he's kind

1447
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: of cute, so she's sort of.

1448
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 3: On board with that.

1449
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 2: She's so awesome in this fucking movie.

1450
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: But even still, it doesn't even matter because quickly right

1451
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: after this, Carolyn and.

1452
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 2: Adam fall in love head over heels.

1453
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 3: She teaches him how to love.

1454
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: He teaches her about being a pure human being with

1455
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: a bab boon's heart, you know, like he plays her records,

1456
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 1: classical records.

1457
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 4: He catches an in play hockey puck with his bare

1458
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 4: fucking hands without breaking a finger, without breaking even.

1459
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 3: A palm, yeah, which apparently never happens. I don't know.

1460
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know.

1461
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: I haven't gone out of hockey. It's a rarity. But they're,

1462
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, booed up in the biggest way. And here's

1463
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: the thing, I think, you know what's gonna happen, because

1464
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: guess what.

1465
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 3: At some point, Adam.

1466
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: Gets attacked by the two dudes that he attacked in

1467
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: the back of the of the diner.

1468
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 3: When he's taken out the trash. Okay, they rush him

1469
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 3: to the hospital.

1470
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: The doctors are like, yes, he got his ass beat

1471
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: and stabbed, but I'm more concerned about that heart. That's

1472
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: a bad heart.

1473
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 3: He needs a transplant.

1474
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 2: He should have a transplant years ago.

1475
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 3: Yes, he waited, and Carolyn's like, oh, gee, I guess

1476
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,759
Speaker 3: you need a new heart, Adam.

1477
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: But then Adam's like, don't take my babboon heart from me.

1478
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: Do not take this the babboon thing gave it to me.

1479
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: I was on my dad's back. I saw my dad die.

1480
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 1: The babboon gave me his You're not taking this shit

1481
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: from me.

1482
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 4: You're a doctor and your patient says, you ain't getting

1483
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 4: with this babboon heart. How do you not commit them

1484
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 4: to the psych word Immediately, Yeah, they let him go.

1485
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 4: They're like, all right, Adam, you're an adult, your own decisions.

1486
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 4: Knock yourself out.

1487
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, oh my god.

1488
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: If I go any further, not only would I be

1489
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 1: giving away the end of the movie, but I will.

1490
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,600
Speaker 3: I was pretty much cry no stop from this point on.

1491
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 1: When the doctors are like save this man and he's

1492
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: like no, It's like a NonStop waterworks festival. Like I

1493
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: just cry throughout the entire film. Even though I will

1494
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: say this time, I don't how long has it been

1495
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,560
Speaker 1: since I've actually seen it. It's probably been about I

1496
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: don't know, eight years since I've seen this. But again,

1497
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: the run up to that last time, I watched it

1498
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: like forty seven times, so you know, but it's like

1499
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: there was a moment at the end where I was like,

1500
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 1: this doesn't hit as hard as it did back in

1501
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: ninety three, but I tear it up.

1502
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 3: I tear it up.

1503
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 2: The drug is wearing off.

1504
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 3: Art, but it's like, you know, it is like high drama.

1505
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,799
Speaker 1: And then I started thinking about, like, do you remember

1506
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: in this kind of general era, right there seemed to

1507
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: have been like this entire rash of films that came out.

1508
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 3: That were basically like quirky romances involving ill people.

1509
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 4: Yes, and then that there was a resurgence of that

1510
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 4: with like the Fault in Our Star Stars. Yeah, there

1511
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 4: was a resurgence of that in the last ten years.

1512
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 4: But yes, there was definitely a moment in this era

1513
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 4: in the nineties where it was again quirky couple.

1514
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of them is very very sick.

1515
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: I mean to talk about like Cole Sprouse, wasn't he

1516
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 1: in one of those movies like where he probably Yes,

1517
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: like I swear there was, like.

1518
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right, there was a resurgence of it,

1519
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 3: but like, there was also this.

1520
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: Thing in the nineties because I kept thinking about that

1521
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,440
Speaker 1: movie Dying Young with j Roberts and Campbell Scott.

1522
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 2: Julia Roberts is a stepmother and Susan Sarandon's dying Yeah, or.

1523
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: Betty and June with Mary Stuard Masterson and then not

1524
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: great Johnny Depp. But I don't, you know, there's sort

1525
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Speaker 1: of like this whole quirky romance but one person is

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01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: sick or in an institution or like that kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: I was like, that is such an early nineties thing.

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Speaker 4: I felt like totally, yeah, totally and young that's the

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01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 4: thing though they were all young people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.

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01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: But to me, when we decided to do this Christian

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01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: has Risen theme, I was like, there's no other movie.

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Speaker 1: This was like the height of romance to me in

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01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:14,600
Speaker 1: ninety three, I was entering high school or about to

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01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: enter high school, and I was like totally in love

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Speaker 1: with this film.

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01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 3: I wanted a boyfriend, just like.

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01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 1: Adam, even though the implications of that we would pick

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01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: apart decades later, as we're doing right now.

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Speaker 2: But you know what I mean.

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01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 3: Like, I just was like, this is what I want.

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01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 3: I want like a silent protector.

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01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 4: A quirky, smart, little weirdo. Yeah, he just watches you

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01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 4: from one hundred feet away.

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Speaker 1: Yes, with a Baboon's heart. Like I literally thought he

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01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: out of Baboon's heart, didn't a story?

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Speaker 3: A story?

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01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, You're like, don't come to me with your human heart.

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01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and think anything's gonna happen even if you are

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01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 4: following me from one hundred yards away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm so glad to hear that you thought

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01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 3: he was hot in this movie.

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01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 2: So much honor, so much harder then and now, then

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01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 2: and now.

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Speaker 4: When I saw this movie, I was like, the movie,

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01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 4: I'm not feeling, but he's hot in this movie.

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01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 1: There was a scene where Marissa Tomay was supposed to

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01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,560
Speaker 1: cut his hair, but instead they decided to just like

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01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: feel each other up or something I can't remember.

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01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's amazing. He looks at her titty

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01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 4: and starts crying.

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01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 2: It's an amazing scene.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I've never seen one of those. Oh, and

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01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 3: she's just this weird thing where she's like, I'm going

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01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 3: to fall in love with you now? Did to establish.

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01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,759
Speaker 3: I guess I could just say it out loud.

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01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 2: I guess she really does.

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01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 6: She's like, I'm gonna fall in love with you, and

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01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 6: it's a bad idea that I'm doing it anyway.

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01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 2: And I do this with every man I meet.

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01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 3: By the way, anyone who's I'm in love my dad

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01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 3: is like bil and Vinegar with everybody. He don't mix.

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01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,719
Speaker 3: I'm so glad Casey is not doing this episode.

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01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 2: He'd be like, how dare you?

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01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: I am living in Minneapolis, I am from Minneapolis, and

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01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: you're butchering our native tongue.

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01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 3: How fucking da?

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01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 2: How dare the dialogue coach do that to us? It's

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01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 2: all I'm saying.

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01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 6: She was very like, I'm gonna fall in love with you.

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01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 2: Stop crying about my titties. I'm gonna with you.

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01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 1: If we can get away with that being the title

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01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: of the episode, I think we should, Oh, of course,

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01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: stop crying about my titties. Oh my god, I swear, dude, Like,

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01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm so, I'm so glad we finally got to do

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01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: this theme. We got to tackle this movie because I've

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01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 1: been talking about this movie forever. I am thrilled, and

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01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm just glad that you had such a passion for

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01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 1: Christian in your teen years that we could do this

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01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: entire episode about him and rewatch Heathers again.

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01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 3: When is it not a good idea to watch Heathers.

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01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 4: Always relevant and truly more relevant than I wanted it

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01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,560
Speaker 4: to be, as it coincided with that therapeutic appointment that

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01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 4: I had where I realized the origin of a lot

1595
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 4: of my romantic problems are films like the are.

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01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 2: Maybe these two exact films. Maybe these two exact films.

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01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. I feel like we showed our

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01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: work from the beginning of the episode.

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01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 3: Now you know why we go after scumbags?

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01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 2: Here we go, this is why we're like this take one.

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01:21:56,439 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 4: Aw Although nobody has actually ever cried at, I can

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01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 4: only hope that that is the case for me in

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01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:05,799
Speaker 4: the future.

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01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 3: I would love I would love that reaction one time.

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01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 4: I would love Oh my, maybe I should have start

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01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 4: flashing in public and be like, who's crying?

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01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 2: That's all I want is one tier.

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01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,560
Speaker 3: They're so beautiful. I'm so confused.

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01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 2: I've seen one of those before.

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01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 3: Okay, if you.

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01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: Want to email us, we are at I saw what

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01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: you did pot at gmail dot com.

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01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 2: Millie's pulling the plug.

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Speaker 1: If you've questions for us about what an anything we've

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01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 1: just said this episode, or if you just want to

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Speaker 1: send us questions for bonus episodes, that is the place

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01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 4: less and please record in a quiet space. And if

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Speaker 3: To get it.

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Speaker 2: And our bonus episodes drop on the third Thursday of

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Speaker 2: every month.

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01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: Absolutely okay, Danielle.

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01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 2: I can't wait to tell him about next week your homework.

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Speaker 4: Your movies for next week are Network from nineteen seventy

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Speaker 4: six and Verdigo from nineteen fifty eight.

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Speaker 6: Oh m G.

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Speaker 1: Well, Danielle, as always a fucking pleasure doing this podcast

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01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: with you.

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01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 3: A fucking pleasure, crack and open that brain once in

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01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 3: a while.

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01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 6: It's so nice to be here. Well you follow me home,

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01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 6: I'm one hundred feet away.

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01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 4: Please just a little stocky, just a little greetings and salutations,

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01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 4: Greetings and salutes.

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01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, those two characters and a movie together

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01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 2: would have been amazing.

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01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 3: Greedings and salienations.

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01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 6: Hi JD, could you not shoot painpall in the face.

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01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 3: We love you, Christian.

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production produced by Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 4: Episode mixing and theme music by Tom Bryfogel, artwork by

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Speaker 4: Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hartstart Caring, Til Gareff,

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