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Speaker 1: busting to get started, fandle play your game. Hey, Michigan's

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Speaker 1: got a football coach. We got a ball coach. Huh

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Speaker 1: got ourselves a ball coach. Kyle Whittingham twenty one seasons

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Speaker 1: at Utah over three decades at Utah. Honestly spent most

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Speaker 1: of his life in Utah. He played football at BYU,

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Speaker 1: did a little bit over there was under Urban Meyer,

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Speaker 1: and then took the head coaching job when overmine, I

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Speaker 1: believe went to Florida.

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 1: Is that my correct in saying that? So a lot

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Speaker 1: of success there comes over hat in hand does his

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Speaker 1: press conference? He has one statement that just absolutely fires

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Speaker 1: me up. Really, did you watch the press conference, the

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Speaker 1: Michigan press conference. I didn't think you would, But it's

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Speaker 1: okay because I'm going to tell.

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Speaker 2: You everything you need to hear and check it out.

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Speaker 1: He says you will become us, we will not become you.

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Speaker 1: And that's referring to the culture of Michigan. He said

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Speaker 1: all the right things in my opinion, and then you

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Speaker 1: start to break down what's this man about to bring

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Speaker 1: because you really start to realize that Kyle Woodingham what

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Speaker 1: he is. He's a boss. He's a CEO type of

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Speaker 1: individual that is going to be the name to face

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Speaker 1: the culture of your franchise. But he's going to allow

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Speaker 1: the coaches who he brings in with great hires to

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Speaker 1: The whole thing comes from winning. I believe he's worked

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Speaker 1: of things. Jason Beck the OC at Utah, that's his

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Speaker 1: Scored forty one point five points per game last year.

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Speaker 1: They were the number two offense in all of college football,

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Speaker 1: So that gets you pretty fired up. You watch Utah's offense.

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Speaker 1: I've watched like four games over the weekend just to

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Speaker 1: rewatch the play calling, all those things. Very creative, very exciting.

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Speaker 1: They love to run the ball, but they're very creative

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Speaker 2: We spend a.

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Speaker 1: right now I'm caustiously optimistic right now because the more

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Gregor can you hear me?

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Speaker 3: Greg's here? One quick note to selfishly insert Baylor in here.

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Speaker 3: Utah beat Baylor by completing their first pass of the

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Speaker 4: Baylor being Baylor.

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Speaker 3: But I'm very excited for Michigan. I think Whittingham is

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Speaker 1: Can I see one more thing?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: You go over Twitter, you go in the search bar,

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Speaker 1: you type of Michigan football. You see a lot of

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Speaker 1: opinions being made. You see some USC fan bases that

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Speaker 2: I've been in the back, I've been in.

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Speaker 1: it seems like Utah fans and Michigan fans like at

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Speaker 4: I just can't escape all you Michigan guys. I had

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Speaker 4: get to select what coach you want and you have

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Speaker 4: if this guy didn't just leave Utah because he didn't

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Speaker 1: No, you're right, listen, I's.

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Speaker 4: He's a great coach. I'm not debating all, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Dave Portnoy, the attitude.

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Speaker 4: I can't escape you Michigan guys. But I will say

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Speaker 4: it was not looking good when it all went down,

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Speaker 4: and uh, I don't think it could have worked considering

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Speaker 1: Hey, I agree with that. And let me just say

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Speaker 1: Dave and his attitude about Michigan, I can understand that attitude.

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Speaker 1: I kind of had it a little bit. These last

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Speaker 1: Like you know, blue Chip we're gonna tion which they are,

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Speaker 1: all the things, the arrogance that kind of comes with it.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about it quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've changed it up over there. It's time.

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Speaker 1: It's time to settle in and just realize, like, other

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Speaker 1: it's not been great like nine to now. It's not

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, all right, he's I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't know a ton about him. Obviously, I know

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Speaker 4: how good he was and how successful he was at Utah.

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Speaker 4: Any idea why he was at Utah so long? Like

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Speaker 2: I was curious about that too, because he did that.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't he going to Alabama? Why wasn't he going to

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Speaker 4: Michigan years ago? Like? Right? And again he could have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my understanding is he's a million gah.

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Speaker 2: Winning ten eleven games and having that kind of culture

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Speaker 4: I think it's a home run, and I think from

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Speaker 4: he checks a lot of boxes. Besides just hey, he's

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Speaker 4: won a lot of games in the past. I do

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with that. I know that there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of transition taking place as far as conferences go,

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Speaker 1: at one point he was offered the Florida job. He

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Speaker 1: Kyle Woodham's kind of name kind of did come up.

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Speaker 1: And then when Britty Hook left, it seem like it

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Speaker 1: was Horball or bust. And even when Harrball left, I

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Speaker 1: believe Whittingham was a name that also came up again.

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Speaker 1: But they also they clearly hired internally wish row More,

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Speaker 2: That's just that's just my own observation listening to winning

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Speaker 2: I think it'll continue to be that way because of

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Speaker 1: Dave does go a crazy way about Michigan. I love

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Speaker 4: But we are Miami through and through. Could they do it? Yes,

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Speaker 4: They're gonna have to play much better on offense, especially

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Speaker 2: So it's a win win for It's a win win

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Speaker 1: The Olsen household doesn't care about the outcome of this game.

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Speaker 2: The household Miami Olson household my but I know Greg

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Speaker 2: internally like, no, we want, we want Miami to win,

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Speaker 2: doesn't It sounds like but if you lose, you're gonna

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Speaker 4: No, I want to see. I have yearned for. So

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Speaker 4: my my junior and senior year in high school, Miami

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Speaker 2: This is early two thousands, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this was like two thousand and one, two

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Speaker 2: You yearn for those, for those moments.

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Speaker 4: I want to see Miami back on top again.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: We've been saying that you is back for fifteen years. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it'd be nice to actually be able to say it.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you too, because anytime, like anytime like a

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Speaker 2: is a there's that that fantasy of the Miami logo

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Speaker 2: and everything coming back. I just don't think that they'll

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Speaker 1: Especially because Ohio State's coming.

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Speaker 4: They play the game. They play the game, baby, they

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Speaker 4: play the game. Coming on this argument with my kid,

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Speaker 4: you brought up the white helmets. The other day, we

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Speaker 4: sitting there and I'm just like, how dare you? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the Miami white helmet, especially when we went all white,

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Speaker 4: white helmet, white cleats, white top, like that is just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Miami white helmet with the running back face mask,

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Speaker 4: Those legendary Miami games, those National title games, those Hall

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Speaker 4: I still got mine right here.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, yeah, show it off. Man with the dark visor.

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Speaker 1: Boy he's got two Emmys in the back, but he

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Speaker 2: What'd you ask, Mitch?

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Speaker 4: The one you want? All? You want to see this

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Speaker 2: You're just gonna do Yeah, you're gonna do something on

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Speaker 1: Look at that.

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Speaker 4: You A lot of scuff on this, A lot of scuff, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: a lot of scuff. How's this side look?

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Speaker 1: I can't say not so bad, not not as not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a helmet that's seeing you know several sea guys.

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Speaker 4: I show you the best part of this? Can I

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Speaker 4: when our helmets look like that on the exact? When

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Speaker 4: did we all not die? No?

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Speaker 2: I think we slowly are. There's just you know, science

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Speaker 1: That's all human beanks, that's all human beanks. We were fine,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be my.

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Speaker 4: High school helmet. I don't I really don't know how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, how hard it is on the inside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you really got like if it got cold

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't take it off just so it would.

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Speaker 2: Be that running back three bread in the Miami helmet.

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Speaker 4: That is.

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Speaker 1: That extra two inches at the botto of the face mask.

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Speaker 2: All them decals, would you get the decals for all the.

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Speaker 4: Stickers killing people?

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Speaker 1: Those are just bodies?

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Speaker 2: You know? His dad His dad was the head coach,

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Speaker 2: so he probably made up a bunch of stickers for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: look that is brutal. You had the blue lining boys.

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Speaker 2: I love our show. I love our show right now,

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Speaker 2: just showing off the old look face. Look at all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a brutal face mask. The one, the one

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Speaker 2: if you got that three bar one.

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Speaker 4: My first year playing at Miami, my red shirt freshman year,

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Speaker 4: playing in college with the two bar dion but down

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Speaker 2: Gotta protect my neck, gotta protect my throat.

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Speaker 1: How much of the players kill you for that before

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think I think at the time, I think

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Speaker 1: No doubt. You see, Like even like in the nineties,

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Speaker 4: Shoulder pads in high school were this big.

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Speaker 4: Arms were like super skinny, sticking out the bottom and

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Speaker 2: Looking like straws coming out of a bottom.

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Speaker 1: No doubt, it is the funniest look in the world

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Speaker 1: to just see giants shoulder pads and little sticks coming

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about you. You think of an image

438
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,200
Speaker 2: of a Miami player. It's like Ray Lewis when he

439
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 2: had those massive pads. The jersey was like up to

440
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,359
Speaker 2: his above his belly, but massive helmet on.

441
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,040
Speaker 4: I never got into the crop. That was never my

442
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:32,680
Speaker 4: body type.

443
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,240
Speaker 1: Always I would always look at some of my other

444
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 1: offensive linement brothre and when they would go crop top

445
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,479
Speaker 1: and I'm like, the confidence on these guys, just let

446
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 1: that thing hang out. I wish I was secure in

447
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,480
Speaker 1: my body at the time, because I think the crop

448
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 1: top look goes hard, goes hard.

449
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you look like some of those guys.

450
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,959
Speaker 1: I kind of I think the big boys doing it too.

451
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 4: I don't mind.

452
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, the big boys.

453
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Speaker 4: So I was like in the middle right, Like I

454
00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,560
Speaker 4: wasn't like so big that you just like into it.

455
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 4: It's like that guy is awesome. But then obviously I

456
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,959
Speaker 4: wasn't like washboard app so I was kind of like

457
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 4: dad Bob.

458
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:06,959
Speaker 2: Yeah.

459
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:07,680
Speaker 4: Bro.

460
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,960
Speaker 2: Once the compression shorts got on me and it squeezed

461
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,679
Speaker 2: the muffletop a little bit toward it seemed like it

462
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,120
Speaker 2: was oozing out like an ice cream cone. Like we're

463
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 2: guys that's seen like, oh, they got some athletic ability

464
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 2: or an athletic build. But if you get seen with

465
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,439
Speaker 2: that hanging over, you're kind of like a you're not

466
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 2: leaning in.

467
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Speaker 1: What's going on here, dude. I would spend even in

468
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 1: the legally, I would get my compression like shorts and

469
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 1: I would put my feet in it with the waistband

470
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 1: and I would pull it just to try to combat

471
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: that the exact thing you're talking about.

472
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I would put my compressions over my mouth. I

473
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 2: can't get I can't get caught. You were like you

474
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,159
Speaker 2: or you're like kind of a couple of practices and

475
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,239
Speaker 2: then I'm just like, I can't get caught doing this. Man,

476
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 2: the boys are gonna clown my eyes.

477
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 1: Dude. But in a game, though, in a game, you

478
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 1: put it up a little higher so it does just

479
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 1: the jersey when it squeezes in, like just form fits

480
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 1: you all the way down. Yeah, because catching that angle, dude, Yeah,

481
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: cut in that angle, it's a tough.

482
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Speaker 4: It's a tough go, especially like in December. Maybe in

483
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 4: like August training camp you're like I'm pretty good, Like yeah, yep.

484
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,479
Speaker 4: Like I would see pictures of myself in August, right

485
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 4: before training camp, and I was like, that's look, it's

486
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 4: pretty good.

487
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

488
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 4: December, you're just like eating pizza, holding on for dear life.

489
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 2: Pie.

490
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 1: You're already thinking about this offseason. I'm gonna do X,

491
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 1: Y and Z.

492
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna shape it's the divisional round of the playoffs, dude.

493
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 2: No, it's before Christmas. You're just like, I'm gonna do it.

494
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get it done. That is that's every every

495
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 2: white guy, every white guy that plays football, because you.

496
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have this regiment about you. You're like,

497
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 1: I am this is me the entire year. I'm not

498
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: gonna waiver on this. And then week four hits and

499
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: you're like, fuck it, dude, pizza had a bad game, Pizza, sushi,

500
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: Chinese food with the boy on Mondays.

501
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a comfort, there's a mental comfort to all

502
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 4: of that.

503
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're trying to hit some New Year's right.

504
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 4: The year reminiscing just made my day. So what else

505
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 4: you guys.

506
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 1: Got, Dude, Let's talk about our tweets.

507
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 4: The my tweet So, dude, I land check Twitter. Yeah,

508
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 4: mine mentions I'm getting killed, and I finally scroll up

509
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 4: to the source of it all and both of you

510
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 4: separately tweet me. But Will sends me about momentum. You're

511
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 4: asking me about going for two tailor. I was sitting

512
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 4: on the plane taxing dying dude.

513
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 1: And you know what's crazy too, is it's literally coming down.

514
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the perfect scenario for us to

515
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: talk about tomorrow. And I'm thinking the Bills are going

516
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: to get this. They should go for too. I hope

517
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: mcdermom does go for two, and then obviously it would happened.

518
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: Happened if they just would have kicked the pat after

519
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: the first touchdown, it would have been a moot point.

520
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: But after the game, all of them are kind of

521
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: discussing should you have gone for two? Should you not have?

522
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: And everybody who was like, yes, you should have gone

523
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: for two all brought up momentum as their key point.

524
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Speaker 4: Of course, because they don't know what else to say.

525
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, because analytics can't measure moments.

526
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 4: And by the way, add more momentum after the back

527
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 4: to back touchdown drives no doubt. If they would have

528
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 4: only gotten more momentum, they would have made the two

529
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 4: point and then.

530
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Speaker 2: Kick the extra point, it would have gotten blocked again,

531
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: well analytically. Analytically, you sit back and you look at

532
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: like here, here's where you know. And by the way,

533
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm with you on the go for two. I was

534
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: just grinning ear to ear knowing that this game was

535
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: going to come down to I wonder if the Bills

536
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: are going to go for two. I had my tweet

537
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Speaker 2: ready to go and I just held on it. I'm like,

538
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 2: I gotta make sure the Bills don't get the two

539
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: point conversion. Yeah for this to work. Now you're learning, Yeah, yeah,

540
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: you're learning.

541
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Speaker 4: You have to make sure your criticism comes after you

542
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 4: know the results.

543
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So I shoot that. I shoot that out there,

544
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: But I'm also thinking in my head like, okay, here's

545
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: a good analytical question as well, like if you're self

546
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 2: scouting yourself, because you're right though, one touch up before

547
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: that extra point gets blocked. So it's like, okay, well,

548
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 2: we're just we're have to go for two because the

549
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: extra point got blocked, but we're also going to go

550
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: for two because that's what our game plan, our strategy

551
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: is gonna be. Anyways, try to win in regulation. But

552
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: my question would be when do also analytics within your

553
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 2: own season come into play, because yeah, they got their

554
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: extra point block, but what's their percentage on making an

555
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: extra point to go into ot versus you are before

556
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: this two failed two point conversion. You're one for six

557
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 2: at going for two throughout this year as the Buffalo Bills.

558
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: So they missed this one, they're now one for seven

559
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: on going for two. So analytically, in general, universally, it's like, hey,

560
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: everything screams go for two. But if you're the Bills,

561
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: you haven't been successful at all. Really, you've been successful

562
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: one time out of six up until that point of

563
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 2: going for two. And then you look at the if

564
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 2: you look at the example last week, which it's like,

565
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: why didn't the Bears go for two? They end up

566
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: kicking the extra point, going to overtime and winning ot

567
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: Bills it felt like they did. Bringing up the word momentum,

568
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: had all the momentum because Philadelphia had what twelve yards

569
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Speaker 2: passing in the second.

570
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Speaker 1: Happen and they had twelve yards total twelve yard.

571
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: Total in the second half, Like Philly wasn't doing anything

572
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: offensively and they were up thirteen nothing going to that

573
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, and Josh Allen was Josh Allen. Buffalo was

574
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: becoming Buffalo. Their offense was becoming that offense, So why

575
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: not kick that extra point? Going ot? Like in my

576
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: head knowing like confidence level, whise, like, bro, we are

577
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: we're taking over this team because they're not moving the

578
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: ball at all.

579
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Speaker 4: Yes, my confidence. Your confidence was so high, your momentum

580
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 4: was very high. You had just scored back to back touchdowns.

581
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 4: Why did your offense the defense was reeling, The defense

582
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 4: was tired I've heard all these things right for the

583
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 4: whole year, then it's even more reason. If that's the mentality,

584
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 4: then it's even more reason to say, keep my offense

585
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 4: on the field. They couldn't stop us. Put the offense

586
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Speaker 4: back on the field, and let's win the game with

587
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 4: my hobbled quarterback who's banged up his foot. Do I

588
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 4: want to play a whole overtime period? And they talk about, well,

589
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 4: just make the extra point and go to overtime. Badgely

590
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 4: was twenty to twenty five on the year an extra points, he's.

591
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 2: But again one for six on two point conversion. So

592
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: most of you want to look at.

593
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 4: Who are you gonna bet that's gonna go above their odds?

594
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: Badge your third kicker of the year or.

595
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: Josh Allen your third kicker of the year.

596
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: Okay, well that's our next.

597
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Speaker 1: Point, I would go, so are you arguing? Are you

598
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: arguing just to argue?

599
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 2: Like I am arguing just to argue, because I do

600
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: want to know, like, at what point are you self

601
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: scouting enough to be like, all right, I get that

602
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: you're rolling the dice go in this direction with going

603
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: for two, but again you have failed to convert two

604
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: point conversion. You know, five out of the six times

605
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: that you've already done it now six out of the seven.

606
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's a valid argument. And obviously that's something

607
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 4: that each team has to take into consideration as they

608
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 4: look at their own two point plays, their play calls,

609
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 4: their strategy. So that's certainly a fair and valid argument.

610
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 4: I think where the where the argument universally, I'm not

611
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: saying your argument, I'm just saying the universal argument on

612
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 4: all of this is everyone just assumes you make the

613
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 4: extra point. And I just watched you miss an extra

614
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: point by yeah yeah, yeah. So like there's always this

615
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: assumption that if you go for two, you're gonna miss,

616
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 4: and it's so stupid. All you had to do was

617
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 4: line up in the driving rain and just make a

618
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 4: simple extra point that oh yeah, on your first touchdown

619
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 4: I watched get blocked. So like there's this assumption that

620
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 4: what happened on the previous two point play matters, but

621
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 4: what happened on the previous point after try is somehow irrelevant.

622
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 4: I asked you this question the night before Texans Chargers.

623
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 4: Dick or the kicker has had an amazing season. Amazing

624
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: So they are down ten, they go down and they score.

625
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 4: The Chargers are down ten, they go down and score

626
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 4: a touchdown. So we're watching this game at our hotel

627
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: in Indie because that game was a big factor in

628
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 4: how meaningful our game was yesterday. Yeah, the Bolts needed

629
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 4: the Chargers to come back and win for the Colts

630
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 4: to still be playing for something against Jacksonville yesterday. So selfishly,

631
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 4: we're like, we love this game to mean something to Indy.

632
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 4: So we're watching intently. I say all that long story short.

633
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 4: They score a touchdown. So now it's a four point game.

634
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: Okay, how much times left?

635
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 4: Uh that's a good question, is it like under it's

636
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 4: it's it's minutes to go into thirty.

637
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, that's that's good enough.

638
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: Uh hold on, he's.

639
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: Got to know he's got now you know Gray, he's

640
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: just he's a detailed oriented guy.

641
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 4: Well it matters. It's a great question.

642
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: It's enough. And you're like, yeah, that's not that's.

643
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: That's that's a conversation.

644
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 4: Touchdown.

645
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: That's all I need to know. I need to know

646
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: exactly seven.

647
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so lots of time? How many time outs?

648
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: I think they had all of them?

649
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So and all the time in the world.

650
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: Analytically, this is a time where you scored and go

651
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: for two, correct.

652
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 4: I'm asked, Okay, so I'm just painting this scenarios. This

653
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 4: is a very So you talk about like where these

654
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 4: teams are on the cutting edge, nobody's quite ready. Like

655
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: the down by fourteen thing, You're starting to see more

656
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: teams after the first touchdown. Not everybody, but a lot

657
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: of teams are going for two the first time to

658
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 4: try to make it six. The fifteen to one. We

659
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: talked about fourth down. This was the fourth down conversation

660
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 4: like five years ago. So there's phases to all of this.

661
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 4: I don't know if teams are ready to like regularly

662
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 4: adopt down ten to go for two to make a

663
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 4: field goal win it. But let's just talk about what happened.

664
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: So they try to just take the foregone conclusion of

665
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 4: making this extra point. This sun is blaring on my face.

666
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: I'm gonna shed the b lines hold on. So they

667
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 4: take the day, Just take the points, make it a

668
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 4: three point It's a field goal game, right, That's what

669
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: everyone's saying. Making a field goal game. Don't make it

670
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 4: a touchdown game. He misses the extra point, so they

671
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 4: now are down four and they need a touchdown to win.

672
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 4: No longer a field goal could tie. If they would

673
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 4: have went for two and failed, they still would have

674
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: been down four. What is the difference at the end

675
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 4: of the game for Harball the press conference, dicker, the

676
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 4: kicker needs to be better, he's been awesome all year,

677
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 4: and he missed the kick. You go for two. The

678
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 4: question is, coach, you are there now. It didn't matter.

679
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 4: They never got the ball back. But if Justin Herbert

680
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 4: got that ball down four, that conversation. If you need

681
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 4: a touchdown and you get goal to go and you

682
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 4: come up short, it's like, if only you were down three,

683
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 4: you would have kicked the field goal and tied the game. Well,

684
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 4: you missed the extra point. But now the coach doesn't

685
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 4: have to justify. The coach just says, my kicker stinks.

686
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: I'm a great coach.

687
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, listener, you've really gotten me on the down

688
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: fourteen late. You score the first touchdown, you go for two.

689
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm understanding that level of aggression, but ten points, I'm

690
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: not seeing where it's go for two in the situation.

691
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm saying that's so. Yeah, I guess this is

692
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: where that phase is still that gap started close.

693
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: Because I guess I'm looking at it like, you clearly

694
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: just kick the extra point.

695
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: I'm starting I'm starting to naturally feel like when you're

696
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: down ten, that's all I was asking the time. If

697
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: you're within like what six seven minutes, I'm starting to yeah, fuck,

698
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: if you're around that timeframe. I am now starting to

699
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: naturally think if you're down ten and you score, you

700
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: now go for two. So I'm starting to get into

701
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: the that you know, New world where you know Greg

702
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: and they're they're teaching you all these this analytical side

703
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: of football on what you would do. So Yeah, hearing that,

704
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, oh, damn, that's a bad Yeah, that's a

705
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: bad move on the coaching side to not go for

706
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: two in that situation.

707
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I'm not saying that it's a no brainer.

708
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that if it was me that I

709
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 4: feel so strongly that I would do it every time.

710
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 4: I'm not suggesting that. All I'm suggesting is we have

711
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 4: programmed that the anti analytics, the anti two crowd, has

712
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 4: built their argument from point after tries or one one

713
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 4: hundred percent successful all of the time, and two point

714
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 4: plays are failures, Like we have completely taken both ends

715
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 4: in the extremes where no one ever misses a pat

716
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 4: and everyone always fails a two point play, and it's

717
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: just obviously not true.

718
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's obviously not true. But still I feel like

719
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: the percentages are way different. I think we talked about

720
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: two point conversions being what fifty percent close, say the

721
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: mid forties point after try is I gotta believe in

722
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: the eighties.

723
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh of course it's Oh I bet you, it's higher,

724
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 4: I bet you.

725
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

726
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just being conservative. So some guy on the

727
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: internet right now is all like, actually it's this, you know.

728
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Taylor, he's battling an imaginary hater.

729
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, just in case, you know, this is called covering.

730
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: It's like Will holding his tweet back for a couple

731
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: extra minutes. You got to do that.

732
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: Two point tries are hard. That's why you typically want

733
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 4: multiple cracks at him. Yeah, so like it just that's

734
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: the whole idea again, the down fourteen, the down fifteen.

735
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 4: You want multiple cracks, so you want multiple opportunities to

736
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 4: get him because going one for one is hard. Going

737
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 4: one for one is less than a coin flip.

738
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: How many two point plays when you were playing, did

739
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: you guys practice one? Maybe two?

740
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: We on our call sheet probably inside the five those

741
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: were probably your you know you're inside the five. We

742
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 4: probably had five total. Yeah, and a couple of passes,

743
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: which I guess was like a separate Like that was

744
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 4: like Jumbo twenty three big bodies and everyone had like

745
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: a million different tight end play actions and faked. We

746
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: did a ship ton of it with Cam. Our goal

747
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: line stuff was actually really good. Obviously he was a

748
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 4: huge factor in that because he was such a threat

749
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 4: whether he was in gun, whether he's under center. So

750
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: like our goal line stuff was pretty extensive just because

751
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 4: of him. But uh yeah, teams have way more now

752
00:33:59,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: than they used to.

753
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me ask you this, Greg, what would the conversation,

754
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: so if we're talking about the extremes on the analytics

755
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: side of like you're not wrong trying to kick the

756
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: extra point, but you know that one right there, you

757
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: miss YadA, YadA, YadA, what would be your conversation with

758
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: coach Harball or a head coach on what they're thinking

759
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: is or what they should challenge themselves to interrogate about

760
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: themselves on why you don't go for two in that situation.

761
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: Like if I was trying to convince some wife, right, Like.

762
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: If you're sitting there and you're in a room with

763
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: these head coaches on thinking about this, this level of

764
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: thinking with the two point conversion, because a lot of

765
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 2: it does come back to this press or like, hey,

766
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: what is what are we avoiding by not trying to

767
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: go for two here? You know what I'm saying?

768
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I think the first the first thing I

769
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 4: would try to just present is how much of your

770
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: decision making is effected on your desire or lack there

771
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,240
Speaker 4: of answering these questions like how much does that matter

772
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 4: to you? How much does public perception, how much does criticism,

773
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: how much does the fallback matter? And I think it's

774
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 4: a fair I don't blame coaches who do value it.

775
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 4: I think there's certain coaches that have built up more

776
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 4: credits and more stock that those postgame press conferences are

777
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: a non factor. Right. Their jobs not on the line,

778
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: they're not under constant heat. It's a very different experience

779
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 4: in different markets for different coaches, based on market size, media,

780
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: how much they've won or lost. Right, Like certain coaches

781
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 4: are teflon, You're not going to get up there and

782
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 4: question decisions made by you know. I mean, I guess

783
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 4: we saw Andy Reid get questioned this year, but that

784
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 4: seems kind of stupid. So I do think there are

785
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 4: varying degrees of your ability to stand at the podium

786
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 4: and say nothing any of you say matter. My job

787
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 4: is safe and I'll do it again. Right, It's the

788
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 4: Dan Campbell effect. So you first got to just decide

789
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 4: how much is your decision making being influenced by any

790
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 4: of those emotions. These are emotional decisions, and you value

791
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: that as a person. The conversation should end, right. There's

792
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 4: no convincing anyone that what emotions they they feel aren't real.

793
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 4: I'm never gonna convince anyone otherwise. Right. If that's just

794
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 4: how you feel, you might be wrong. But I'm never

795
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 4: gonna win that bat. An emotional battle is never gonna

796
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 4: be won if that's not the limiting factor, and they

797
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 4: are open minded to just talking about Okay, what does

798
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 4: improve our chances? It comes down to trying to win

799
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 4: the game when you get an opportunity in regulation. Now,

800
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 4: regular season, postseason has changed over time has changed a

801
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 4: little bit, so the odds are a little bit more

802
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 4: in your favor with both teams getting a possession, But

803
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 4: by and large, I would try to operate as often

804
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 4: as possible. If I get an opportunity to win the

805
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 4: game in regulation, I'm gonna do it. And those would

806
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 4: probably be like my two main north stars. And then

807
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 4: there's a lot of nuance in situation and strengths of

808
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 4: your team and quarterback style and offensive play caller. Like

809
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 4: then there's a lot of like team nuance that each

810
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 4: team has to make their own decision based, but like

811
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 4: those two guiding principles would be where I would start personally.

812
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing I love about this conversation is that

813
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: you're exactly the last thing you said is like, it's

814
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: not like a black and white type of thing. It

815
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: depends on what personnel you have, what quarterback though, and

816
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: that that's what makes it so much more fun to

817
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: look into and see, like, hey, what coach is willing

818
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: to slap their balls on the table and be like

819
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: this is what is what we're gonna do we get

820
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: in a week out regardless of circumstance. While you were talking,

821
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the fifteen points being down, fifteen

822
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: go you go for two in the first touchdown. You

823
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: don't get it the second time, you have to use

824
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: you know what, I've worked through it in my head.

825
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: You have to go for two in the second one

826
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: to even tie it. Never mind, I'm back, I'm back.

827
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 4: Let me again not to rehash all of that, because if.

828
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: You don't get the first one, you're down nine. Right,

829
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: So that's where him trying to wrap our heads around

830
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: going for two down fifteen. That's where I'm kind That's

831
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: why I get a little bit more resistant.

832
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

833
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: Again, it comes it comes down to take the emotion

834
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 4: out of it. From a practical standpoint. Would you rather

835
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 4: be down nine with three and a half minutes or

836
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 4: would you rather be down two with fifteen seconds?

837
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: No?

838
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that that's it.

839
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 4: From a non emotional not the how hard I'm going

840
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: to play on defense and the defense is so more

841
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 4: motivated down eight that they are nine, and the guys

842
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 4: on the sideliner slapping each other on the backs, like,

843
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 4: eliminate all of that. Yeah, just from a practical sense.

844
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: The argument against what the Phi, what Philly did, and

845
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 4: what everyone came after me for supporting, was they assumed

846
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 4: that you missed the first one and you're down nine,

847
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 4: and you're an idiot be down eight and it's a

848
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 4: one score game and take it to overtime. But and

849
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 4: I'm down nine is because I failed on the two

850
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 4: point conversion. So why would being down eight? Why should

851
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 4: I assume I get the two point conversion?

852
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: Defense? Have it both ways defensif it's a little bit

853
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: more retired, a little bit more defeated, like fuck, they're

854
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: probably gonna get that. It's a mom first one.

855
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 1: I started this conversation. I apologize.

856
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 4: It's emotion, and that's why I said, if emotion's gonna

857
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 4: run it, you're never gonna win the battle. And that's okay.

858
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: I'm not saying those feelings aren't real. I'm just saying

859
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: they're not impactful. And if they are impactful, you should

860
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 4: fire your defense. You should cut everyone. And Will Compton

861
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 4: is not gonna run through his a gap on a

862
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 4: run blitz hard down nine than he would down eight.

863
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 4: That he shouldn't be your mic backer.

864
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: The reason I'm leavin is I right before he started

865
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: to go, uh, your feelings like, it's fair to feel

866
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 2: what you say, but they're not impactful. Before he started

867
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: to say that, a switch fliped in my mind to

868
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: where he's now talking to his wife. I'm thinking, I

869
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: wonder how this would go through. I'm yeah, yeah, there's

870
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Speaker 1: Let's get back to the episode with Greg Olsen. Did

886
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Speaker 1: you do you get a chance to check out the

887
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: Steelers and the Browns?

888
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 4: I didn't that game was going on right when my

889
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 4: game was gone lost in the.

890
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: Browns bro you know, need you don't really need to

891
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: know the game. But Miles Garrett obviously one sack away

892
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: from holding the record. From a solo standpoint after the game,

893
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: he said, they were worried about keeping me away from

894
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to uh, more worried about that than getting

895
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: to win. That's what That's why we came back to

896
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: bite them. Have you ever been in a situation where,

897
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: like in your in your career where someone was chasing

898
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: a record and what the if there was a meeting

899
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: room about that, because it seemed like with the Steelers,

900
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: and I think there was like conversations taking place like

901
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: if he beats you whatever, grab his face mask, do

902
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: not let him get it. And then in the game

903
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter they had multiple three and outs.

904
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: But there are a few times that Miles Geartt's like

905
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: basically getting there, Aaron Rodgers like fuck this and just

906
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: dumps it off to the side like they were. They

907
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: seem very obvious they're more worried about Miles than they were, Hey,

908
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: let's go try to win this game.

909
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 4: You know. It kind of reminds me I don't know.

910
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 4: Did you guys play high school basketball?

911
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: No, No, one year in eighth grade fourth So.

912
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 4: High school basketball, we you know, we were like an

913
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 4: average you know, we were fine, but we would go

914
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: play some of these teams that were real good and

915
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 4: they were just better than us. So this is what

916
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 4: kind of reminds me, like before the game, like you

917
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 4: and your buddies, you'd sit there and you'd be like,

918
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 4: we could lose by fifty. You cannot let anyone dunk.

919
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 4: Like we're follon guys, We're flipping them upside down, We're

920
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 4: sending them into the wall, intentional fouls, text, whatever it takes.

921
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 4: Nobody dunks. That's kind of like what this reminds me of. Right,

922
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 4: you said we can concede the game, We're not gonna

923
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 4: give up. We're gonna throw the ball in the ground,

924
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 4: We're gonna spike it. Do not let Miles Garrett live

925
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: in infamy. That this that Aaron Rodgers is Brett Favre

926
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: right where he's the quarterback we see sacked, you know,

927
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 4: when Strahan breaks the record. So like that's where my

928
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 4: mind goes on all this. Whether that's real or not,

929
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 4: I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask Rogers

930
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 4: and those guys. But I don't blame them, Like I

931
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: didn't want teams to break records against us. You know,

932
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 4: those years that you were losing. If you played a

933
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 4: divisional rival or somebody that you could knock out of

934
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 4: the playoffs and you already out, You're like, well, if

935
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be home, I'm gonna ruin their season. So

936
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 4: I just think that's kind of the NFL. I don't

937
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 4: know if anyone in the NFL wants to see in

938
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 4: their moment in their game, their team get like better

939
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 4: one upped. So if that was their mindset and they

940
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: didn't want him to break the record, then I have

941
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 4: no problems with it.

942
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I got there's there's part of me that

943
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: thinks and again I'm just assuming, but Aaron's playing is

944
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: like he's trying to play to win. But in the

945
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: back of Aaron's mind, he's like, this is not another

946
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: thing where I'm gonna follow suit. Yeah, far I'm not

947
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: gonna take over Brett Farva.

948
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: Oh you think you think history was in the back

949
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: of his mind.

950
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: As a competitor, Like why wouldn't he think about that?

951
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like all the things where

952
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: he's kind of like he's been the next Brett Fava

953
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: Green Bay, like going and playing for different.

954
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: Teams, like the same different team.

955
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: The same different team, like all of these things, and

956
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 2: just the relationship they seem to have had with everything

957
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: that's come out. I'm just sure, like as a competitor,

958
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: that that was one thousand percent probably in his mind

959
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: to some extent, you know what i mean, Like I'm

960
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: not gonna be I'm not taking over Brett Farm's clip

961
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 2: for like giving up the record seat.

962
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so surprising to me. Like we had Dean

963
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: Dawkins on last week. He was gonna he was playing

964
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: the Browns and in that game, it's like, hey, he's coming,

965
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: Like you don't make sure you're not the guy, and

966
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: it ends up not being the guy. Now the Steelers

967
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: game has happened. That was only one game left for

968
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: him to get this. I just keep picturing in my

969
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: head like it's the fourth quarter, there's a couple of

970
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: minutes left and who I don't know who the Brown's playing.

971
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: I think it's the Bengals. So it's a game that

972
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: means nothing.

973
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: Game means nothing.

974
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: Everybody right now this week is planning for Hey, where

975
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: are we going in the office?

976
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: Right And so does Joe Burrow. He'll probably get sacked

977
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: anyway based on the way his his his career is

978
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: gone and getting sacked. But does Joe Burrow bend the

979
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: knee and kind of give Miles Garrett one to take

980
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: home the all time record because Miles when he when

981
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: he was getting close, there's like three shot games and

982
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: it was like he had like twenty five tape to

983
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: his wrist. He's thinking beyond the sack record, like he's like,

984
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna handle this no problem now. There's gotta be

985
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: a level of like I might never get here again.

986
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: I might never get to the opportunity where I can

987
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: break the record. Panic is starting to set in, probably

988
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: on in his camp, like I've got to get this

989
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: fucking record now, and if I don't, like I'll probably

990
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: never sniff this again.

991
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: And the Bengals like, even though you say Joe b

992
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 2: is he gonna be like, I don't think the division

993
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: rival to me. If you're the Bengals, You're there is

994
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: no goal for this game. The entire goal should be

995
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett is not getting this record on us.

996
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: But Joe, Joey b has kind of got that. You

997
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: can see his press conferences with the Bengals. He's a adult,

998
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't seem like he's happy. He's saying

999
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: very vague things. I could see Joe pulling a Aaron Rodgers,

1000
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: which not Aaron Rodgers. Brett far where Brett was like

1001
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: it was kind of known that, Like Brett kind of

1002
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: gave it to my action fell down, Yeah, play action

1003
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: fell down. Let him have it? Like, can we see

1004
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow be like, let me get this guy one

1005
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: or two? You know, set the tone. Who's gonna set it?

1006
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: I'll set it for the boy, cause this is true

1007
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: history that we're looking at here. It's like, Yo, it's crazy.

1008
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: I like thinking that this game now has true meaning,

1009
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: room meaning, because.

1010
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 4: Dud it's a great game for males. Garrett to try

1011
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 4: to break it right, because the offensive lines poured. You know,

1012
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 4: historically the last couple of years they've been poor, and

1013
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: they're gonna throw the ship out of the ball. Yeah, right,

1014
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 4: So you're gonna get a ton of pass attempts. You're

1015
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 4: gonna get a ton of passing downs if for whatever

1016
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 4: reason they don't give up a sack to Miles Garrett.

1017
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 4: Then we have to look back on the last couple

1018
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 4: of years and be like, what how come you when

1019
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 4: the game meant nothing? You guys protected the ship out

1020
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 4: of Joe Burrow. Years you've seen him just get his

1021
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 4: lock knocked off?

1022
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: What's going on here?

1023
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 4: Like all of a sudden, you guys needed this record

1024
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: to like motivate yourselves that point.

1025
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: Hey, but Greg, if you're if you're a tight end

1026
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: on the Bengals, like what would be your goal going

1027
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: into the game, Like are you Are you somebody that

1028
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 2: would as a tight end? Be like, hey, coach, like Chip,

1029
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 2: I'll fucking block all game. We're not letting Miles Garrett

1030
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: get this sack.

1031
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: I mean I did my fair share of chips. I

1032
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 4: had my fair share of that guy didn't see me

1033
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 4: coming ear hole shot. I didn't love that, Like I

1034
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 4: didn't love the idea of like ear holding a guy

1035
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 4: who wasn't looking at me. I mean I did it.

1036
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 4: It wasn't something I got great pride out of. I

1037
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 4: didn't feel like, oh, I'm a badass because I just

1038
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 4: ear hold this guy who didn't see me. I want

1039
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 4: to run down the field, like my life, my whole

1040
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 4: career was like running down the field far Like I

1041
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 4: watch a lot of these offenses now far like it's

1042
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 4: naked flat, it's naked drag, it's naked over, And I'm

1043
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 4: looking at myself like, oh my god, I would have

1044
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 4: caught three thousand balls and these offenses like we were vertical,

1045
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 4: we were going downfield. We were middle benders, we were

1046
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 4: deep overs. We were twenty two inside numbers of the

1047
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: hash and two yards inside the hash, Like I couldn't

1048
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 4: afford to chip anyone unless you just ran a flat

1049
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 4: or a check, And I had no interest in any

1050
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 4: of that. Like I wanted downfield ball in the air,

1051
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: air yards. That was just my game. So I would

1052
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 4: had a hard time playing in an offense with a

1053
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 4: whole game. I just edged and chipped. We did it,

1054
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 4: but it was not something that I wanted to make

1055
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 4: a living doing because it just really it cuts down

1056
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 4: on the types of route you can run.

1057
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you you.

1058
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you're ready to just sacrifice running routes

1059
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: that way.

1060
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 4: He's trying to hit eighty catches for everywhere.

1061
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, Like, are you aware it's record?

1062
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 4: I mean, what about my incentive? About eighty catches. I know,

1063
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 4: fifty grand Do we care about that?

1064
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 2: Greg?

1065
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: If you spent if you spent your life worrying about

1066
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: check chipping people and not moving the ball down the field,

1067
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: you're standing up to close your blinds when the sun's

1068
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: in your face.

1069
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 4: Correct hitting a button?

1070
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Like that's a little bit better. Now it

1071
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: is a lot better. Yeah.

1072
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 4: Here's what I will say though, And Taylor, you'll appreciate

1073
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 4: this and every tackle I ever played with, Like even

1074
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 4: when we got like new guys like Michael or came

1075
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 4: and Khalil's brother Matt came, So we had a couple

1076
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 4: like tackles join us in our run in Carolina and

1077
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 4: they all love this. So pat on the back to me.

1078
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 4: I I played ninety percent of the game in a

1079
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 4: two point stance, but attached to the tackle. We had

1080
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 4: kind of formed an eleven personnel like in passing situations.

1081
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 4: But I would My rule was I never let the

1082
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: defensive end ever line up outside of me. So I

1083
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 4: was never gonna take my split my distance from you.

1084
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 4: If I was lined up on the left side and

1085
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 4: I was trying to gauge my distance from you as

1086
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 4: the left tackle, would I would say, I'm always going

1087
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 4: to capture the defensive end. I didn't want to stand

1088
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 4: so close to you. I'm three yards from two yards

1089
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 4: from you, and then Miles Garrett's a wide nine technique

1090
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 4: outside me. I go run my route and you sit.

1091
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett is like six yards from you, running at

1092
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 4: your face.

1093
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's terrifying.

1094
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: That's terrifying. But how often you see tight ends. They

1095
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 4: come up, they set their feet, and then the defensive

1096
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 4: end picks where he needs to go. I would come

1097
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 4: real wide out of the huddle, wait for the defensive

1098
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 4: end to pick his landmark on you, and then I

1099
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 4: would reduce my split. And I'll never forget. I was

1100
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 4: playing in Detroit one year. Kyle Van den.

1101
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: Bosch, remember him, Oh yeah, Yeah.

1102
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 4: He'd wear those lens, uh like contact lenses and ship

1103
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 4: where like he didn't have a pupil. Like this guy

1104
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 4: was a maniac. And I'm messing with him in my

1105
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 4: split and I'm not letting him take these like wide

1106
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 4: ghost nine splits on pass downs. And he's losing his

1107
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 4: ship and he's trying to move and I just keep

1108
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 4: moving with him, just trying to capture him on the tackle.

1109
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: And he looks at me and he motherfucks me and

1110
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 4: screams in my face about moving my split. I almost

1111
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 4: shit my pants. He was like a demon. I was like, dude,

1112
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 4: you're scariest shit and you'll probably kill me on the

1113
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 4: next run play. But I am not going to let

1114
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 4: you line up on our left tackle nine yards off

1115
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 4: of his ankle.

1116
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: That is uh, well, that is big time and you

1117
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: should have so you pat yourself on the back for that.

1118
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 4: There was no the.

1119
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: Left tackle needs to be saying did he send you

1120
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: a Christmas gift this year?

1121
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 4: Every year?

1122
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: Every year?

1123
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: I love it, dude, I love it because we would

1124
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: we would go through we would play like big time,

1125
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: big time guys like do uh Suggs or Miller or whoever,

1126
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: and I be like, hey, we're gonna chip. We would

1127
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: go through indye periods of like, hey, these are how

1128
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: the tackles like to get like to get chipped. And

1129
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: there was nothing worse to me than when the tight

1130
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: end would line up tight to me and then the

1131
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: defensive end would line up in a wide nine on

1132
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: the outside of him, and the chip would be, oh,

1133
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: he beat me off the ball. Let me push him

1134
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: in the back so he gets a more of a jumpstart,

1135
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: and I literally I would just tell you, guys, I'm like, bro,

1136
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: if I don't need you to do much, just get

1137
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: in front of him for a second and bring him

1138
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: to me. That's all I want you to do.

1139
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 4: Bring him to You got to contain him. You gotta

1140
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:33,479
Speaker 4: capture him and push him.

1141
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,479
Speaker 1: In, funnel him in. But when you are behind him

1142
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: and you're pushing his ass so he gets farther up

1143
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: the field, I'm in panic mode.

1144
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 4: Now.

1145
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: Now I'm in i have to get the hell out

1146
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: of whatever situation I am. I don't know where I

1147
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: am as if as far as pocket integrity or nothing,

1148
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: And it's just it's absolute hell. It's the worst feeling

1149
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 1: in the world.

1150
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 4: When the tight end the lines outside of him, I

1151
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 4: could chip him, Yeah, I could like crack him on

1152
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 4: some sort of like pin and pull outside run play.

1153
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 4: What I really liked about it that twice a game

1154
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 4: that they asked me to pass protect, I liked being

1155
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 4: on the outside and I would just power jump the

1156
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 4: shit out of him outside in and I would just

1157
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 4: earhole them, snatch them at the line of scrimmage. I

1158
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 4: didn't want to set as a why I didn't want

1159
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 4: to set as a nine technique myself. If you didn't

1160
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 4: want to do it, I sure shit didn't want to

1161
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 4: do it. It just made the light the game so

1162
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 4: much easier when there was the tight end and the

1163
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 4: tackle and the defensive end lined up in between them.

1164
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 4: That's the idea. I just don't know why more people

1165
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 4: don't do it.

1166
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't understand tight end's past setting one.

1167
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: It always always looks terrible. They don't know what they're doing.

1168
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: Put there exactly, get on them right away. I'll come

1169
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: help you in a minute, because you know, it's like

1170
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: play action. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go into the

1171
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: big gap. I'm gonna check my linebacker, and the first

1172
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: thing I'm doing is gonna check you. Just lose outside.

1173
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: I'll meet you between him and the quarterback.

1174
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 4: Dude, I would. I mean, I'm sure it happened a

1175
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 4: handful of times over the years. But like if I

1176
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 4: got trapped on a pass set, we used to call

1177
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 4: it Randy Louie, where like the tight end had the end,

1178
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 4: the line would slide away and then the back was

1179
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 4: like my help. But like if the backskuy came then

1180
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 4: I was one on one. If I had that guy

1181
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 4: outside of me, and I knew it was like a

1182
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 4: traditional kickset wide punch. I was like, all right, man,

1183
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 4: like this is gonna be a fucking battle. Yeah, But

1184
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 4: if I had that guy inside, it didn't matter who

1185
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 4: he was. If I knew I could block him down

1186
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 4: from the outside and then just wrestle him even if

1187
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 4: he knocked me back. He had to knock me back

1188
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 4: from the line of scrimmage.

1189
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: I was fine, Yeah, that's diaslow death. Like you under

1190
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: stand in the process, you understand, I love her all.

1191
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: Talking about our fears, you blocking one on one, me

1192
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: getting a wide nines ass pushed, you playing man coverage.

1193
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: It's all hell anytime of back motions out of the backfield,

1194
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: we can't check, yeah to rat or replace with the

1195
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: safety blitzing to where I could take the blitz and

1196
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: he can go cover the bag. Yeah, I was in

1197
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: a mental health.

1198
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 4: Didn't have a segment where we each get to air

1199
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 4: our like worst nightmare that we had to like hide

1200
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 4: for twenty years when we played and these things suck.

1201
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: We just had to be like, dude, I'm good at everything, right,

1202
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 4: nothing I can't do, And now we have like a

1203
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 4: free it's like a free get out of jail card.

1204
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 4: You get like one segment of Monday where you can

1205
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 4: admit all the shit you weren't good at and that

1206
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 4: you were scared to death.

1207
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 5: Of doing exactly due because it's so funny how that

1208
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 5: the plays we're talking about probably happened two or three

1209
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 5: times a game, but we would spend most of the

1210
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 5: game thinking, when are these two or three times.

1211
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: Most of the going to happen week? Most of the week,

1212
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: what situation could this?

1213
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, I feel good about this, this

1214
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: and this, but if this comes up, I swear to God.

1215
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: And then you'd be like the second quarter being like,

1216
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: when's it gonna happen? When you're in the middle, you

1217
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: just finished the player, You're like, I hope it's not

1218
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: this next play coming up.

1219
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 4: You know, it's like a third down. You're like, it's

1220
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 4: third and six. You're looking at the sideline. You're like,

1221
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 4: don't call it, Yeah, don't, don't.

1222
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: Don't on a route.

1223
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: I'm doing good down the field.

1224
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: I would tell my coaches. I'd be like, hey, listen,

1225
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't care about like a lot of chips. I

1226
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: just need one early in the game. I need one

1227
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: like legit chip them early in the game that way

1228
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: he's thinking about it. Anytime the tight end would come

1229
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: in and then give me one around the third quarter,

1230
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: give me two, and I'm happy because it makes him think.

1231
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: And that's all I need is for them just to

1232
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: think a little bit. Then I'll be all right.

1233
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 4: But it was a terrifying my career. At the end

1234
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 4: of my career, when you know you're old and you

1235
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 4: just say whatever the fuck you want to say and

1236
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 4: you don't care anymore. Yeah, we would be in like

1237
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 4: install meeting on third down and if there was like

1238
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 4: more than one play where the tight end had to

1239
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 4: stay in. And remember, like back early in our careers,

1240
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 4: we used to call it like Mustang protection, where like

1241
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 4: the tight end and the running back would stand next

1242
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 4: to the quarterback and it was like full seven man

1243
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 4: protection and anyway like that, or when you had to

1244
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 4: block the d end, if they had more than like

1245
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 4: one or two of those, it'd be like, hey, anybody

1246
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 4: have any questions. I'm like, I got a question and

1247
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 4: be like, all right, what elson I'd be like, so

1248
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 4: this twenty five million dollar an end that all that

1249
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 4: week I've heard we got a chip and we got

1250
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 4: to engin. We got to give body presents to our

1251
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 4: fifteen million dollar tackles. I'm gonna block him on third

1252
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 4: and eight by myself while they all slide to nobody.

1253
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 4: I just want to make sure I have the protection

1254
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 4: understood correctly, because for the last four days I've been

1255
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 4: beat down my face about chip Edge, don't get wide

1256
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 4: with your split running backs, give body presents. But now

1257
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 4: on third and eight, it's like, don't worry. Olsen's got

1258
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 4: von Miller and everyone else. You just go slide and

1259
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 4: just do this whole slide thing where nobody touches anyone.

1260
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 4: That's what we're gonna call on third and eight, you know,

1261
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 4: And everyone would laugh, But I was like, I'm not

1262
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 4: even joking.

1263
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: Is so stupid, right, right, You're not joking? Yes, I

1264
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: feel you there, like when I would have to eventually

1265
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 2: soil the DN because they wouldn't want to bam in

1266
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: the red zone and I'll just back so just again,

1267
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 2: just we want to get this clear what we're worried

1268
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: about in the red zone inside, let's say the fifteen

1269
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: we're worried about this choice route from darren Sprolls. You're

1270
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: telling me I can't BAM when I know this option

1271
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 2: route's coming because he's gonna be in an obvious chowel alignment.

1272
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: I can't bam the end. You want me to cover

1273
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 2: him one on one. I just want to be clear

1274
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: because I've asked if I could BAM all week and

1275
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 2: nobody's really told me anything.

1276
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 4: What the fuck does BAM mean?

1277
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: Bam is when the end will come out and hit

1278
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: or bam running like yeah, yeah, yeah, he'll push it

1279
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 2: so defensively ship. Yeah, the def yeah, basically a defense ship.

1280
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 4: I hadn't heard that.

1281
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: So that way the running back once they get hit,

1282
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: they have to just get in their route asat versus.

1283
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 4: Coming free release on one in space. And then when

1284
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 4: he scores, you'll get coached up about where your alignment

1285
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 4: was and where your leverage was, and well.

1286
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: You got to close the distance, stay inside out. You

1287
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: gotta get your hands on him. At some point. It's

1288
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: Darren fucking Sprolls. Yeah, but the ends will get mad

1289
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: because the ends you got to take them out of

1290
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: their pass rush because like you want me to bam

1291
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: Sprolls when you expect to cover I'm like, it's Darren Sprolls.

1292
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: I would love if I could just get a little

1293
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 2: some kind of chip on this man before we run.

1294
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: They're highly targeted their favorite route, which is a choice

1295
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: route in the red zone. Yeah.

1296
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, the offensive quality control guys stood up there on

1297
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 4: Wednesday on out team and said, hey, guys, darren Sprolls,

1298
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 4: we got us. I could have told you it was

1299
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 4: a touchdown four days exactly.

1300
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: Well, I just imagine Will and the defensive man coming

1301
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: up to Will and be like, Yo, what do you

1302
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: making me? Bamed, He's like, justin, I'd rather not be

1303
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: in that play. I'd rather not be in.

1304
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I'm in, so I need you to trim Murphy.

1305
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 4: I'd rather get a fucking calf cramp and come out

1306
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 4: of the game. I'm not thrilled about it either.

1307
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh dude, Yeah, that's that's I'm glad

1308
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: we got to work through that.

1309
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: We got a playoff game with your Carolina Panthers Tampa

1310
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers. Wow, that's a game that means something winning

1311
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 2: in Both of you guys lost over the weekend. I

1312
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: do like the Panthers this week. Like, if I'm leaning

1313
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: on anything, it's gonna be the defense of the Panthers.

1314
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a winning in there is this like weird

1315
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 4: not a weird scenario, but there is this like far

1316
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 4: fetched scenario that if somehow the Falcons beat the Rams tonight,

1317
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 4: then even if Tampa eats Carolina next week, if the

1318
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 4: Falcons also win and they played New Orleans, that it

1319
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 4: would be a three way tie. And then Carolina even

1320
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 4: if they lost, they would be an eight to nine winner.

1321
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: So they'd still get in.

1322
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 4: So they'd still get in. So that's that's assumed that

1323
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 4: the Falcon that the Falcons don't beat the Rams tonight,

1324
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 4: and yeah.

1325
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: To win.

1326
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 4: And in the way, Carolina is very weird, like one

1327
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 4: week good, one week off. They've kind of won, lost

1328
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 4: one loss. They kind of bounce back and forth weekly

1329
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 4: over the last like eight weeks. Tampa Bay is really struggling.

1330
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 4: They just cannot find their way this back half the

1331
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 4: season after starting so strong, may have just not been

1332
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 4: nearly as effective, not nearly as efficient, especially on offense.

1333
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, I'd like to see Carolina make

1334
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 4: the playoffs. I think that'd be really cool. We haven't

1335
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 4: been since twenty seventeen, so it's been a while, so

1336
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 4: I think it's fascinating that after all this it's gonna

1337
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 4: come down to one game Week eighteen, most likely winner

1338
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 4: take all. But yeah, I think Carolina's got a great shot.

1339
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 4: They seem to bounce back, they seem to lose after

1340
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 4: they win, and win after they lose. So from a

1341
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 4: pattern standpoint, Week eighteen looks good.

1342
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love the pattern talk. My kids

1343
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: are all about patterns right now. I think you're right.

1344
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: Like the run game of the Panthers, I think Bryce

1345
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: has actually looked better this year. He said, he makes

1346
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: some really good throws and it's like the inconsistency. But

1347
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: at the same time, you look at Tampa Bay and

1348
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: just riddled with injuries. Something's wrong with Baker. It feels

1349
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: like he looks like a guy that's just like willing

1350
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: himself to play every single week when he needs to

1351
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: be on a stretcher or getting some rehab. So yeah,

1352
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: I like the Panthers as well. I like the Panders.

1353
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: I think it doesn't really matter. I think both whichever

1354
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: team goes in the playoffs, it's a very short playoff run,

1355
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: but making the playoffs still says a lot about your franchise.

1356
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get into the get in the dance. Yeah,

1357
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: you get the dance.

1358
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: Anything can happen.

1359
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: How do you see the uh, how do you see

1360
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 2: the one seed sticking out? Because I want to get

1361
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 2: to where we're talking who we think can make the

1362
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 2: run to the Super Bowl Big games. Next week you'll

1363
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 2: have what Seattle and the Niners, which you'll have which

1364
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 2: has massive implace. Yeah.

1365
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: The winner of that game has the one seedon. Yeah,

1366
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: which is wild.

1367
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 2: In the shadows all you're winning and taking care of this. Yeah,

1368
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 2: what you cut?

1369
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: You gotta love that about them, man. Yeah, like Shanahan incredible? Well,

1370
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: who who you got in that game?

1371
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 4: I think Shanahan. I said this yesterday in our game

1372
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 4: we had Indianapolis and Jacksonville and we were talking about

1373
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 4: the job Liam Cohen's done. And you know, they got

1374
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 4: one pro bowler and it's the long snapper, and what

1375
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 4: a job he's done. They won their twelve game and

1376
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 4: all that, and I made the comment that it's probably

1377
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 4: the most packed coach of the year, you know, candidacy pool,

1378
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 4: candidate pool in years. I mean you start talking about

1379
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 4: like the one year turnarounds, Ben Johnson, Vrabel and and

1380
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 4: Liam Cohen, then you start talking about the job Mike

1381
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 4: McDonald's done in his second year in Seattle, getting that

1382
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 4: right back on track. Are really the best team in

1383
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 4: the league, you know, give or take. And then and

1384
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,439
Speaker 4: then with Shanahan, you know, a guy that we've seen

1385
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 4: playing Super Bowl is a guy that's name has been

1386
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 4: in the mix of, you know, one of the top

1387
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 4: coaches in the league for a long time. So maybe

1388
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 4: we don't appreciate because we just assume the forty nine

1389
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 4: ers should always be good. But I mean, you look

1390
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 4: at what that team has gone through, right They lost

1391
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 4: Brock Purdy for stretches of game, They lose Fred Warner done,

1392
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 4: Bosa done, Miss Kittle. I want to say last night

1393
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 4: was Kittle's like fourth or fifth missed game they've played

1394
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 4: without Chunks, you know, Ayuk just disappeared off the face

1395
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 4: of the earth. Like they have had some really interesting

1396
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 4: roster situations, and now here they are in a week eighteen,

1397
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 4: win and not only win your division, but get the

1398
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 4: first round by as the one seed and play and

1399
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 4: have home field advantage through the Super Bowl potentially. So

1400
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 4: Shanahan's in that mix. I think it's remarkable that game

1401
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 4: last night was incredible score and forty plus. I just

1402
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 4: I worry defensively in the playoffs. We've talked about that

1403
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 4: on here a lot. I think defense matters a lot

1404
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 4: more come postseason than it does in the regular season.

1405
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 4: The teams that make the playoff are disproportionately offensively driven.

1406
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 4: There's a few anomalies, you know, Texans. In the past,

1407
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 4: there's been some teams that have been road on their defense,

1408
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 4: but it's mostly good teams that can score points. So

1409
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 4: now it's like, Okay, who can actually stop somebody who

1410
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 4: can actually play competent defense, run game. Some of the

1411
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 4: things that don't have as big of an impact over

1412
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 4: the course of a long season do matter in a

1413
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 4: one and done scenario in the playoffs. So I'd still

1414
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 4: go with Seattle because I think Seattle's defense is as good,

1415
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 4: if not better than any I think offensively, they're still

1416
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 4: hit or miss, They're still not exactly sure. They got

1417
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 4: to get that pass game back to what it was.

1418
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 4: But San Francisco's offense is probably the best offense of

1419
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 4: the last three or four weeks in the league. The

1420
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 4: defense scares me.

1421
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I brought Pertty has been playing girl. The zero

1422
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: pass rushed by the defense right now. On Fando Sportsbook,

1423
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan is plus one thirty. He's the favorite right now.

1424
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: He's the favorite.

1425
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: He's the favor for Coach of the year fall by pipe.

1426
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 4: So you would have to bet one thirty to win

1427
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 4: one hundred.

1428
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: No, if you bet one hundred, win one hundred and thirty.

1429
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, so he gets plus odds. These are futures,

1430
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: that's usually they're always gonna sit in the plus. So

1431
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: Shanahan's plus one thirty. Mike Vrabels next at one forty,

1432
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: plus one forty, then as a big drop off of

1433
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald at plus five hundred, and then Liam colem

1434
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: Is at fifteen hundred from there, which I thought Liam

1435
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: would be a little higher than that.

1436
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: It's dude, it's honestly just because of the market that

1437
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 2: they're in, Like it's the Jacksonville Jaguars, Like nobody Rames won.

1438
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year in twenty one or something like

1439
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: that with the with the Titans in there.

1440
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably Verah one coach of the year's Ran Rivera

1441
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 4: one Coach of the Year twice with us, and yeah,

1442
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 4: we're small market.

1443
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I mean, Liam com dude, it.

1444
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:40,479
Speaker 2: Is jating odds.

1445
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this because again I'm not overly

1446
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 4: familiar with how the whole thing works, So like is

1447
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 4: there an element to that where name recognition. So for

1448
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 4: these odds makers, the Shanahans of the world are gonna

1449
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 4: just get more bets placed on them because there's more

1450
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 4: name recognition as opposed to Liam Cohen. So by they

1451
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 4: got to reduce the odds of a guy like Shanahan

1452
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 4: because he's gonna get so much action. Is that part

1453
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 4: of it?

1454
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I want to say, Vegas, they just

1455
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 2: they just they understand the pulse of what's going to

1456
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: happen or what's going on at this current moment. So

1457
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 2: for example, like the moment Fernando Mendoza, so it was

1458
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 2: very close between Diego Pavia and Fernando Mendoza. And this

1459
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: is just one example of like a futures bet. They

1460
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 2: were both neck and neck going.

1461
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: Into Diego was a favorite over that's right, do.

1462
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Diego was a favorite over Mendoza. And the talk

1463
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 2: that week was if for Nanda Mendoza has a good

1464
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: game against Ohio State, like a good quarterback, got stats,

1465
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 2: got touchdowns, all this stuff, like Fernana Mendoza could edge

1466
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: out and could beat Diego Pavia. Well for Nanda Mendoz

1467
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 2: only through what one touchdown? Yeah yeah, big there down

1468
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 2: in the game, but nothing. That's like he should have

1469
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 2: ran away with this. But the moment that game ended,

1470
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: Banana Mendoza became minus three thousand in the sportsbook to

1471
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: win the Heisman. So it's like they ultimately knew who

1472
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 2: was gonna win a Heisman immediately after that game concluded.

1473
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean to where you could argue,

1474
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: you could talk about the Diego all you wanted, but

1475
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: he wasn't even close once that game ended. As far

1476
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 2: as the sports the sports book and the markets and

1477
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: the betting odds and everything else. So what Fando's saying

1478
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 2: this is Shanahan's become a real favorite. They don't know

1479
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 2: who's gonna win out of Rabel and Shanahan. That's why

1480
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 2: they're only ten off. Who was third on the list.

1481
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, but he was plus five hundred.

1482
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald plus five hundred and then Liam Cohen at

1483
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: plus fifteen hundred. Is just in the world of us

1484
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 2: arguing or debating about it, it seems bizarre because Liam

1485
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: Cohen has just as good of a resume, if not

1486
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 2: better than everybody else, Like I know, there's a lot

1487
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: of great candidate's, Like even Ben Johnson, he wasn't even

1488
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 2: in the top four. He's probably sitting it. He's probably

1489
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 2: sitting at fifth in the odds. And I get that

1490
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 2: they just lost in Shanahan that kind of edges him

1491
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 2: out there. But as far as how close the race

1492
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: could be, it seems like it's gonna come down to

1493
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: Rabel or Shanahan. If Shanahan wins this next week against

1494
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 2: getting the one seed over Seattle, it seems like Shanahan's

1495
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 2: gonna get it. If the Niners lose and Vrabel they beat,

1496
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 2: who do they play? The Dolphins?

1497
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 4: Yes, I have that game, Patriots Dolphins.

1498
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Patriots Dolphins. If Patriots win and Niners lose,

1499
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: like Vable, it seems like he's going to be the

1500
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 2: likely one to win Coach of the Year. That's how

1501
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 2: the odds, that's how the markets kind of have it

1502
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: set up.

1503
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: The next two after that was Ben Jonson at plus

1504
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: two thousand and then Sean Payton at plus six thousand.

1505
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1506
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, so right now to two man race. It's

1507
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: two man race.

1508
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 4: I think they're taking into account all the momentum that

1509
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 4: Jacksonville has though, yeah, won games in a row.

1510
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm with you that that.

1511
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that.

1512
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 2: I know you're joking. But to me, that's why it's

1513
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 2: also so bizarre because what Cohen, Trevor Lawrence, he's been

1514
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: playing really well, like what Jacksonville has done this year,

1515
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: compared to what they go last year four and thirteen. Yeah, yep,

1516
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 2: four and thirteen to where they're now now they're only

1517
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: a four lost team. What they've done, it seems wild

1518
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: that it's the gap is so far with Liam Cohen

1519
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 2: being in this coach.

1520
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 4: On their whole roster.

1521
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's crazy you brought up as a long

1522
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 1: snapper because I know the Patriots had three or four

1523
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: Pro Bowlers. I mean, Drake May was one of the quarterback. Yeah,

1524
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: one of us who is a serious the MVP of

1525
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: the league, arguably MVP, but he was at an MVP

1526
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: caliber quarterback at the beginning of the year. In August September,

1527
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: the conversation revolving around Drake May was one more year

1528
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: and he's going to be a guy in this league.

1529
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, after they started with

1530
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 1: a one to two early in the year, it became like, oh,

1531
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: Drake may is the guy, which would tell you that

1532
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: a lot of coaching took place. Guys if you look

1533
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: at their roster and I'm not very familiar with Jaguars roster,

1534
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: but the Patriots roster isn't a roster. It's like Ravens, Eagles,

1535
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: like even the Bengals, like they're not a roster that

1536
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: you're like you can really hang on, be like, this

1537
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: is a contending team, yet I think who the Broncos play,

1538
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:43,799
Speaker 1: because if the Broncos lose and they.

1539
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 2: Win, Broncos played the Chargers.

1540
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: So Broncos loose, are the Chargers and the Patriots beat Miami,

1541
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 1: they have the one seed, right, So that's who you

1542
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: look at to be like, oh, I can see why

1543
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: Vrabel should be it should be a coach of the

1544
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: Year guy. I think Liam Comb should be in that

1545
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: one fifty one sixty range. If he's a third, put

1546
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: him at plus one sixty because those guys do have

1547
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: a hell of a resume to say I should be

1548
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: coach of the year. Those three especially, I would throw

1549
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson in there as well. It's incredible, what I mean.

1550
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is a similar conversation too, Like this year,

1551
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: it's like he's all these bad habits, they're kind of

1552
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: masking him and stuff like that, but the kid is

1553
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: just he truly has gotten better every single week. So

1554
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be awesome to see.

1555
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 4: And then again, I'm not taking anything away from very books,

1556
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 4: I think sure, yeah, I do think there is an

1557
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 4: element also for some of those guys where they're calling

1558
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 4: the plays, they're coaching the quarterback, they're like, and again

1559
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 4: I'm not saying Rabel's not doing a ton because he

1560
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 4: obviously has won in multiple spots. Again, I'm not making

1561
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 4: this an anti Vrabel thing at all, but like last night,

1562
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 4: when you're watching San Francisco fight that game out, you're

1563
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 4: watching Ben Johnson and Kyle Shanahan duel it out where

1564
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 4: the only reason San Francisco won is they scored forty

1565
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 4: plus games, forty plus points in regulation. Yeah, it is impressive,

1566
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 4: Like that was too high level coaches who are also

1567
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 4: calling the plays, who are also coaching the quarterback, who

1568
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:08,799
Speaker 4: are also like, that's there's a that's a big, huge impact.

1569
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 4: I mean, that's why those coaches are the ones everybody's

1570
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 4: trying to go find the advantage New England's going to have.

1571
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 4: And this is the brilliant I give a lot of

1572
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 4: credit to Vrabel for how he did this is if

1573
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 4: you're not going to call the offensive plays as a

1574
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 4: head coach, the next best option is to hire a

1575
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 4: formally fired offensive head coach that likely is not going

1576
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 4: to be stolen away from you anytime soon. Like, I

1577
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 4: don't know if Josh for as good of a job

1578
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 4: as Josh McDaniels has done with Drake May. You don't

1579
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 4: ever hear his name as the next head coach. You

1580
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 4: hear Clint Kubiak, and you hear all these because we've

1581
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 4: seen Josh daniels be a head coach and now maybe

1582
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 4: in his next time he would do a great job.

1583
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 4: Who knows, But like, there's an advantage to hire former

1584
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 4: fired head coaches as your coordinator on the other side

1585
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 4: of the ball, because you're not fearful you're going to

1586
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 4: lose them. Yeah, so that's the next best scenario if

1587
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 4: that play caller is your head coach. Ala Shanahan, McVeigh,

1588
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson, et cetera. So it's a good setup what

1589
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 4: New England has.

1590
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1591
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: The Shanahan things so interesting to me because it reminds

1592
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: me of like what I'm assuming it was like for

1593
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: when people were watching Michael Jordan or Peyton Manning, Tom Brady,

1594
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 1: like these great consistent players that were so amazing Lebron

1595
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: James as well, where it's like they're doing incredible things,

1596
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: but eventually the public's like, Okay, he does incredible things,

1597
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: and you kind of like take away from how how

1598
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: successful they've been and it's like, oh, that's just them,

1599
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: so you don't hold the weight of them being successful

1600
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: as much as you would. Rabel who comes in the

1601
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: first year at the Patriots, Ben Johnson, it's like, oh,

1602
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, Yeah he's good, he's had a great year,

1603
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries, but people aren't really realizing what

1604
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: he's done for the franchise, right.

1605
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 2: I think they're solely starting to come about it now

1606
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: now him be becoming the favorite. It's almost like yeah,

1607
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 2: if they win, like he'll get it, yeah and.

1608
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: He should vote.

1609
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 6: It.

1610
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 4: Remind me when this like when do all these.

1611
01:11:55,680 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: Awards, so the playoffs they say, do not get but

1612
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: I think the voting ends after the divisional round. You

1613
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: might be right, it's sometime in the playoffs before the

1614
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, that the vote happens, PA playoffs can become

1615
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: a massive fact, a massive factor.

1616
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be I'm excited to see what the Patriots

1617
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 2: do in the playoffs because again, if you go by

1618
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 2: strength of schedule, they have the statistically the worst strength

1619
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 2: of schedule. Who's this the Patriots.

1620
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see them in the playoffs

1621
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: as well.

1622
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 4: I have them for the first time this week, so

1623
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 4: I'm actually is to dive in, Drake study watch them

1624
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 4: because I've only seen them from afar. I've seen highlights,

1625
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 4: I've watched clips, but I haven't actually spent any time

1626
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 4: watching them. So I got them Miami. I got Patriots

1627
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 4: Miami in Foxborough this weekend. So I'm actually curious if

1628
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 4: my opinions of them change better or worse at the

1629
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 4: end of the week than where I am now before.

1630
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 4: I haven't really had a chance to dive in yet.

1631
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 2: I think they'll I think they'll come out better. Like

1632
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 2: Drake May is such a baller. Everybody knows what Drake

1633
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 2: May's been doing, but just offensively, the vibe and feel

1634
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 2: like again we've played for these Vabel teams, like when

1635
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 2: they have when the culture is hitting whenever. When all

1636
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 2: the vibes are going in, they're winning football games. Like

1637
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 2: you just see the geil going on in New England.

1638
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 2: Their defense is salty. I think you'll have a lot

1639
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 2: of fun, like diving into the weeds of the Patriots.

1640
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: The buy ins incredible.

1641
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 2: I think they can where it stays for me right now,

1642
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 2: like before Week eighteen happens, because Week eighteen obviously has

1643
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 2: a lot of implications. But let's say everybody handles their

1644
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 2: business and are slotted where they are currently slotted. Me,

1645
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 2: I see the Super Bowl being uh, Seattle in New

1646
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 2: England is what I would call. I would love that

1647
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 2: Super Bowl Seattle in New New England.

1648
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: I would absolutely love it. Let's talk, I mean, we

1649
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: know what we gotta get you out of here. Let's

1650
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: talk playoffs real quick. If I said to you Denver Broncos,

1651
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: New England, Patriots, Jacksonville, Jaguars, Houston Texans, Los Angeles Chargers,

1652
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, and I left out Steelers and Ravens there

1653
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: because we'll find that out next week. Of those teams

1654
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: are just named, who you got who you think has

1655
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: got the best? Because I feel like people are really

1656
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: on the NFC. But the AFC, dude, like, I have

1657
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: no idea whos going to come out of that.

1658
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 4: I really don't. I mean, I think we've been saying

1659
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 4: this every Monday morning for the last two months. Like

1660
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 4: the AFC, I could make a really strong argument for

1661
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 4: every single one of those teams why they could win

1662
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 4: the whole thing and why they couldn't. I'll tell you

1663
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 4: who I think is sneaky. And I'm not saying this

1664
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 4: is my number one, but I well, I might be.

1665
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 4: I think the Houston Texans are a sneaky postseason team

1666
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 4: because defense is so now is so much more important.

1667
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 4: I've said this a thousand times, but like defenses can

1668
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 4: carry you a lot more in the postseason than the

1669
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 4: can regular season. They got off to a fast start

1670
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 4: those explosive plays on Saturday Night against against the Chargers,

1671
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 4: Like that's what they need to be get stroud, pushing

1672
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 4: the ball downfield, hard play action stuff thrown over the

1673
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 4: top of your head. So I think they're just good

1674
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 4: enough on offense to be just like middle of the road,

1675
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 4: hang in there, make the players that are there, and

1676
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 4: I think they can be dominant, like suffocatingly dominant on

1677
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 4: defense and we've seen, We've seen that formula work. Now

1678
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 4: I can make an argument for the Patriots. I do

1679
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 4: think at some point in the playoffs, like overall, roster

1680
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 4: does start matter, like when you start looking at like

1681
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 4: premier players, star players. I'm not sure where Jacksonville and

1682
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 4: New England are quite yet. You know, they're very early

1683
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 4: in this rebuild quote unquote, So I do think they

1684
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 4: have some work to do there of just getting prominent

1685
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 4: players at impactful positions. But I think that AFC man

1686
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 4: is just so up in the air. I think LA

1687
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 4: and Seattle are the two clear cut over a long

1688
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 4: period of time. I think they're the two best teams.

1689
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 4: Know whether they win or lose, who knows, but I

1690
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 4: think they're the two best teams in the NFC with

1691
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 4: and then you know, we can debate the rest. But AFC,

1692
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 4: I think it goes like five or six teams deep.

1693
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and once tam he didn't even mention with the

1694
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: Broncos into the one seed. Yeah, but that'll to me

1695
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 1: that that whole team is what does bow Knicks do?

1696
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 2: So the way this would work out currently where it's his,

1697
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 2: because we don't know what's gonna happen with the AFC North.

1698
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 2: We don't know what's gonna happen with the NFC South,

1699
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 2: but where the bracket sits right now is Houston would

1700
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 2: play Pittsburgh. Houston's gonna play whoever comes out of the North,

1701
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 2: and then Houston would have to go to Denver. I

1702
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 2: think Houston matches up really well against Ever because that

1703
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 2: defense would be would be nasty, that's and that would

1704
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 2: be a big time showdown. Yeah, that'd be a big

1705
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 2: time showdown in Denver. Houston versus Denver. Where I would

1706
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 2: lean is Houston because I agree with you Greg on

1707
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 2: that that team just being like a sneaky dominant team

1708
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 2: because their defense is so nasty and violent, and they

1709
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 2: got the guys that can rush the passer, they have

1710
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 2: the secondary, they got backers who can fly around the

1711
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,799
Speaker 2: football field. And then coming out on the bottom side,

1712
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 2: it would be you'd have Jacksonville in the Chargers facing off.

1713
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 2: I would I would take Jacksonville in that game. You

1714
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 2: got Buffalo the Patriots. I would be taking the Patriots,

1715
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 2: and then I think Jacksonville coming to New England, that's

1716
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 2: where New England wins, and then you would have whoever

1717
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 2: the winner is out of out of Denver in Houston,

1718
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 2: which who knows, who knows who's gonna win that game.

1719
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: I just dude, it's gonna be hard for me to

1720
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 2: bet against Drake bet against Drake May, and just the

1721
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 2: focus of that that everybody's gonna be focused. But again

1722
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 2: being in those being in those positions, like with Rabel,

1723
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 2: just knowing how he talks about the game and everything else.

1724
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 2: To me, it be hard to get off what Drake

1725
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 2: Ma can do.

1726
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: And the run to the run game's coming alive. Drake

1727
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: May's in the best deep ball since what Russell Wilson

1728
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 1: in the second year when they won the Super Bowl. Like,

1729
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:35,719
Speaker 1: that's kind of what it's.

1730
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 2: In New England being in a spot too to where

1731
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 2: if they if they were to take down the Chargers

1732
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 2: or Jacksonville in Foxborough, they'll be set up to where

1733
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 2: if it's Houston coming out of it, they'll have to

1734
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 2: get through Denver, like that'll be a very physical game.

1735
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 2: Who the winner who comes out of that to where

1736
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 2: New England will be just positioned well, especially if Houston wins,

1737
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 2: they'll be hosting that AFC champions That's what that's what you.

1738
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: Want, that's what you want. The only thing I disagree

1739
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: with is I kind of lean Denver over here Houston

1740
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: because that's gonna be an awesome That's gonna be awesome game.

1741
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: But I just think, I mean, their offensive lines give

1742
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 1: up the least amount of SAX season. Yeah, and that's

1743
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: where it's like best on best, let's see what we

1744
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 1: got here. But if you can slow those guys down

1745
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: even a little bit, that you put yourself in a

1746
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 1: more advantageous situation.

1747
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 4: I think how many games in a row has Houston won,

1748
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 4: like seven, eight, seven or.

1749
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 2: Eight eight games in a row I believe.

1750
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 4: And Jacksonville's won yesterday was their sixth in a row.

1751
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 2: Seven here we go again. Six. Yeah, it's one of those,

1752
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 2: one of those.

1753
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 4: So again I ask which team enters the playoffs with

1754
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 4: the most juice and the most momentum and the most

1755
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 4: energy and feeling the best. They haven't lost in months.

1756
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 2: But if you talk about New England too, like they've

1757
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:48,560
Speaker 2: really only had one bad half of football came back. Yes, yeah,

1758
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 2: they lost the momentum, that's the momentum.

1759
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: Well, the halftime always, halftime always resets, momentum resets.

1760
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 4: We haven't even talked about Themnium checklist, so I know

1761
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,839
Speaker 4: like when it stops, starts, when it ends, when it resets.

1762
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll send you those lists.

1763
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: Is a point system as well as far as like

1764
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: three and outs touchdowns.

1765
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 2: You're always gonna hear about momentum from me after the

1766
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 2: result happens.

1767
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is which is smart, Which is smart because

1768
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 4: you know, I would imagine that the team going in

1769
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 4: the Texans. So the Texans play the Chargers this weekend.

1770
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 1: Yes, so let's just they just played.

1771
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 2: Broncos, played the charge them.

1772
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 4: Sorry, they played the.

1773
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 2: Jacksonville plays Oh, jackson Titans. Jacksonville plays the Titans, sneaky.

1774
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 2: The Texans play, Texans play the Colts.

1775
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 4: Okay, so we don't know what's going to go on

1776
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 4: with the Colts. Does Philip Rivers play? Do they start

1777
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 4: Riley Leonard? Who knows? The Colts have lost all their momentum,

1778
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 4: all of it, all of it.

1779
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: People are saying it's Sauce Gardner's fault, That's what people

1780
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: are saying.

1781
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 4: They and he's one in seven, one and seven. That's

1782
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 4: a tough season.

1783
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1784
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So let's just say Houston keeps all their momentum

1785
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 4: and gets there like ninth win in a row. Tell

1786
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 4: me when their momentum ends if they lose in.

1787
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: The playoffs when the clock at zero, got it.

1788
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they lose in the playoffs.

1789
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: That makes sense.

1790
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 4: So they have all the momentum until they lose. It.

1791
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 4: Is that fair?

1792
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 2: Yeah? Correct?

1793
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said about winning a

1794
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: lot of like winning your last six or seven games.

1795
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 1: Damn it, I didn't mean to do that. They're winning

1796
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: those last games and rolling in the playoffs with momentum.

1797
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,879
Speaker 1: That is a thing.

1798
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 4: I heard you say they were going to lose.

1799
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,839
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's going to be a battle in Denver.

1800
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 2: I like the way Houston matches up against Denver and

1801
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 2: then coming out of that game, the road that the

1802
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 2: streak that they've been on. Houston Texas are the team

1803
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 2: where you labeled you don't want to play them in

1804
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 2: the playoffs like they are that team. I just in

1805
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 2: my brain, if I'm trying to predict everything right now,

1806
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 2: before we get in a week eighteen where the bracket

1807
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 2: sits like they would just then after going out to Denver,

1808
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 2: they would then have to go to Foxborough and winning

1809
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 2: the AFC Championship against a quarterback like Drake May. So

1810
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 2: that's where I would see they have all the momentum.

1811
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 2: Two teams got all the momentum, right, somebody's gotta lose

1812
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 2: the momentum.

1813
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 4: Both wait time out, time out. This is gonna be

1814
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 4: we both can have momentum at the same time.

1815
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: Yes, dude, momentum is a fickle thing.

1816
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 4: This is crazy, all of this.

1817
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 2: And then if Seattle wins against the Niners, I think

1818
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard for Seattle to lose at home

1819
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 2: at all in the playoffs. So they have a ton

1820
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 2: of momentum too, a ton of momentum. But if they

1821
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 2: lose to the Niners, they lose a lot of momentum.

1822
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,759
Speaker 2: Now they become like a wild card team. Yeah, yeah,

1823
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 2: that would be crazy if they lost it. But like

1824
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 2: I guess, when did they lose? It would be a

1825
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 2: fun thing to dive into, Like right, just depends. That's

1826
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 2: why you played the game. That's why you play the game.

1827
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 4: I'm fascinated by it. I think it's super interesting to

1828
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 4: look at it that way, and I'm gonna lean more

1829
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 4: into it, I think on my broadcasts.

1830
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has got to be the team that has

1831
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 2: too much momentum, and you have.

1832
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 4: Too much that you actually like overdose. Oh, yeah the

1833
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 4: other way.

1834
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that yep, that's called getting cocky.

1835
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 2: It's called getting hit in the mount Yeah yeah, it's

1836
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 2: called getting cocky.

1837
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,879
Speaker 4: So we have different names, like up the threshold.

1838
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is.

1839
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 1: There is definitely a sweet spot of momentum. There's a

1840
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: sweet spot you gotta have.

1841
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 4: Does everyone have a different sweet spot? Oh?

1842
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely Yeah. That's all based on the head coach.

1843
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 4: Got it?

1844
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: Yep, so that guy like Rabel?

1845
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 4: Now can that head coach? Losers? Like? So when did Yeah?

1846
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 4: So Vrabel had no momentum last year, got fired, couldn't

1847
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 4: win it, but then he got when did he get

1848
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 4: it back?

1849
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 2: He went, he had to go, He had to go,

1850
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 2: He had to go live in the darkness, he had

1851
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 2: to go sit with Yep, got it and then he

1852
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 2: came back out of the shadows.

1853
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: That's the thing about Raves man, he can hold so

1854
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 1: much momentum. When you get too much momentum.

1855
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 2: You gotta truly reset. That's why he had to go

1856
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 2: to Cleveland for a year. Yeah, Rabel's got the juice

1857
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 2: right now too. He just randomly shot Taylor and I

1858
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 2: had text Merry Christmas, Yeah, Merry Christmas, love dad.

1859
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I looked at I just smile, and so my

1860
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 1: wife she goes, he really, he really does treat you

1861
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: like that all the time. Well, yeah, this is this

1862
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 1: is my life with grapes.

1863
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 4: This might be my favorite five minute segment.

1864
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but dude, yeah, I think I.

1865
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 4: Just find it fascinating. And and Twitter. Twitter really has

1866
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 4: been educating me a lot on like all of my

1867
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 4: shortcomings and my football takes because I don't put enough

1868
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 4: stock into and again I would I would give it

1869
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 4: more credibility if someone could tell me when it stops

1870
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 4: and starts.

1871
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, listen, what game do you cover this week?

1872
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 4: Patriots?

1873
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 2: So tons of momentum, tons of momentum.

1874
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 4: I'll watched that Dolphins. Dolphins had no momentum, fired their GM,

1875
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 4: got momentum back, lost the moment menim benched to a

1876
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 4: next game. No momentum, Queen yours are yeah, quin yours?

1877
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 4: No momentum. Last week beat Tampa who was playing for

1878
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 4: the division, got their momentum back yep. And now they

1879
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:20,919
Speaker 4: go to Patriots. So two teams with really interesting momentum.

1880
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: No, what he doesn't know, he doesn't know about backup

1881
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: quarterback momentum or interim head coach met him.

1882
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 2: But Quinn did lose the first time he went out there.

1883
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,600
Speaker 4: Well, they got They just had to. They had to.

1884
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 2: They just had to puol Quinn aside and say, hey, man,

1885
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 2: don't don't, don't put so much pressure on yourself. Just

1886
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 2: go find some juice. Yeah, yeah, go crank it this week.

1887
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 2: Don't take this game so seriously, go out there and

1888
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 2: sling it. Yep.

1889
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 4: The Dolphins got momentum back when the report came out

1890
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 4: that the coach wasn't going to get fired. Do you

1891
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:50,879
Speaker 4: think that built their momentum.

1892
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure a lot of guys got some juice

1893
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 2: from that. I'll tell you what, Greg, I'll watch the

1894
01:24:54,920 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 2: game with you on s Yeah, and I'll also text you.

1895
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 2: Just make sure you just check your phone so I

1896
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 2: can just be like, hey, it's time, it's time to

1897
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 2: talk momentum.

1898
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 4: Can we get on a group chat and we can

1899
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 4: talk momentum tonight through the game, the Monday night game.

1900
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, we got you, Yeah, we got you. We'll

1901
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 2: let you know when.

1902
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: Calls between your commercial breaks, and we'll let you know

1903
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: exactly where it's at.

1904
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:20,440
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, all right, welcome back here to snowy Foxborough

1905
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 4: jel At Stadium. Fourteen to seven. Hey guys, Joe, I

1906
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 4: just need to jump in. I just heard from the

1907
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 4: Busting boys. This momentum has completely flipped. There was no

1908
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 4: juice in the building. And now after that last three

1909
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,520
Speaker 4: and out, New England has all the momentum.

1910
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: Here's what Fox needs to do is they need to

1911
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:43,719
Speaker 1: have meters, yeah, meters and momentum of just like little

1912
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 1: like thermostats, and you just slowly they gain, they lose traction,

1913
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 1: and we can come up with a whole point system

1914
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 1: of momentum.

1915
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,640
Speaker 4: How many times a game, in an average game like

1916
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 4: last night, how many times do you think momentum flipped

1917
01:25:58,160 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 4: in that game?

1918
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 1: Great question. Early in the game, momentum was stagnant because

1919
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 1: both teams were scoring back to back.

1920
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 4: Like you think the first play the game, pick six?

1921
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 4: Who had all the momentum?

1922
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 2: Niners, n oh yeah, my fault Bears. Yeah.

1923
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, you just really that that wash

1924
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 4: That was about something where threw the pick and then

1925
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 4: convinced himself that was the best thing for him. I

1926
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 4: thought maybe you had, like, now.

1927
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,560
Speaker 1: Hold on, there's something to that, Like what's your quarterback's

1928
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: biggest fear throwing a pick six?

1929
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 4: Right?

1930
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: Your worst fear happens right away. You can't be affected. Now,

1931
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 1: that's when you start to get the momentum. Well, yeah,

1932
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:43,839
Speaker 1: live next to fear, Yeah, next to it.

1933
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 4: Okay, So he threw the pick six Chicago on the

1934
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 4: road all the momentum. Yeah, that's a defense that thrives

1935
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 4: off Takeaway's best takeaway team in the league, Dennis Allen.

1936
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 4: So they get it first play the game, pick six,

1937
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 4: and then they proceeded to give up forty two. Right.

1938
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of things that happened. So momentum

1939
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 1: can be can be held in the hand, but it

1940
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 1: can't be owned just off of one plan. It's all

1941
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 1: about what happens in the next series. And I love

1942
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: that we're thinking this right now.

1943
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, got a little stagnant. Realize, Hey, our momentum

1944
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 2: isn't going to be defensively. The team is going to

1945
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 2: be offensively. Get the gun. We're in a shootout.

1946
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Greg, can I ask you a question, please?

1947
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 1: What when did you stop believing a momentum?

1948
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 4: Because I'm leaning into this as a joke.

1949
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 1: No, no, no no, but you also you're a momentum gy,

1950
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 1: Greg's anti momentum, your anti momentum.

1951
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 4: What was it?

1952
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 3: What was it?

1953
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:38,719
Speaker 1: What was the phrase?

1954
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 4: Your emotions?

1955
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 1: Emotions, however, they're not valid, they're not impactful.

1956
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 4: Let me be very clear. I'm going to give you

1957
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 4: my my official stance on all this, because right now

1958
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 4: I'm like over I'm I'm having We're having fun with

1959
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 4: the conversation.

1960
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: We're having fun.

1961
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 4: There is no question in my playing career that there

1962
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 4: were games I went into the game feeling better, worse,

1963
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 4: more confident, less confident, liked the game plan, didn't like

1964
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 4: the game plan, felt great about where my hands were,

1965
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 4: like I felt like I could really catch. And there

1966
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 4: were other games where I was like, I don't know,

1967
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 4: like there's something about this catch here that I just

1968
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 4: it's not hitting me right, and I'm really overthinking it.

1969
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 4: And I experienced all of those ranges of emotions, and

1970
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 4: all I'm saying is it had zero in output, had

1971
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 4: zero difference in the outcome of the game. Games where

1972
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 4: I went in and I'm like, I'm gonna catch a hundred.

1973
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,639
Speaker 4: I'm feeling good. I just had back to back hundred

1974
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 4: yard games. I'm feeling really good. I'd have two catches

1975
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 4: for seventeen yards and I had two drops. We lost.

1976
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 4: I dropped the last third down. I probably should have

1977
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 4: caught it. I had I was the goat, the bad

1978
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 4: goat all week long. Olsen blew the game, and that

1979
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 4: next game you go in, You're like, shit, I hope

1980
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 4: I get an early pass. I hope I get my

1981
01:28:55,200 --> 01:29:00,040
Speaker 4: shit going and you get one fifty Like I don't know, Like.

1982
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 2: You get your momentum back there, you got it back.

1983
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 4: I guess my momentum came and went, is my point. So, like,

1984
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 4: do I think do I think this is an emotional game? Absolutely?

1985
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 4: Do I think teams and coaches should coach emotion I

1986
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 4: mean shit, you guys have seen my videos of coaching

1987
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 4: the kids, Like I am a passionate, competitive, emotional person,

1988
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 4: Like that's my personality, and I think football is played

1989
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 4: with emotion and football is played with energy. I'm not

1990
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 4: debating any of that is not a factor it is.

1991
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, when it comes to decision making and

1992
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 4: trends and what we should do on the field, from

1993
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:41,680
Speaker 4: a decision making standpoint, I think we just put so

1994
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 4: much credibility into emotion and momentum and it's really just

1995
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 4: a replacement of we don't really know why we're seeing

1996
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 4: what we're seeing, so we've just made up this non

1997
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 4: measurable you can't quantify it. It's the only explanation why

1998
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 4: a team could go touchdown, touchdown, pick six, fumble, touchdown, touchdown,

1999
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 4: miss the two point conversion, get the on side kick,

2000
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 4: like it's the only thing that explains the highs and

2001
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 4: lows of sport, and we don't know what else to

2002
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 4: call it.

2003
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 2: Momentum.

2004
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 4: That's what I think odd.

2005
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 2: So so he didn't answer the question he's look, Greg's

2006
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 2: going to become a moment I.

2007
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 4: Didn't answer the question.

2008
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 1: I want to know when you stop believing momentum.

2009
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 4: I think I I think I'm not going to say

2010
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 4: stopped believing. It's like saying I don't believe in Santa.

2011
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,799
Speaker 4: I still believe in there's a magic, the idea.

2012
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 2: He doesn't a polar express, he doesn't hear the bell anymore. Yep,

2013
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 2: he doesn't believe in the momentum good recent doesn't believe

2014
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:42,719
Speaker 2: in those.

2015
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 4: Spirit I started re evaluating trends in football probably after

2016
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 4: I was done, and I've gotten into this world now

2017
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 4: where I have to now get in front of millions

2018
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 4: of people every Sunday, nice and I have to based

2019
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 4: on an hour of conversations with these coaches, which are

2020
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 4: hiring degrees of information that they provide, and I have

2021
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 4: to be able to get up there and figure out, Okay,

2022
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 4: how do I best present this game to an audience

2023
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 4: that might be diehard fans and this might be the

2024
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 4: first time they've ever watched either one of these teams, Right,

2025
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 4: So you've got to split that baby and talk to

2026
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 4: the diehards. But you also can't assume everybody knows what

2027
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,640
Speaker 4: they know, because they might just put the TV on

2028
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 4: this weekend for the first time to watch Drake May.

2029
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 4: So we need to introduce Drake May and Mike Vrabel

2030
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 4: and all these guys to the world every single week.

2031
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 4: But we have to do that where I'm not in

2032
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 4: the building. I'm not in meetings, I'm not in the

2033
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 4: locker room. I don't know the juice. I don't know

2034
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 4: who's feeling good. I don't know that Taylor's ankle sore.

2035
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 4: I don't know that Will doesn't want to guard Darren

2036
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 4: Sproles and the goal. Like, I don't know about any

2037
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 4: of this. So I have to look at the game

2038
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 4: through black and white trends. Okay, how are they on

2039
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 4: offensive efficiency? How are they in defensive efficiency? What coverages

2040
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 4: do they love on early downs? Okay, what does this

2041
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:00,680
Speaker 4: team do on the early down run game? How do

2042
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 4: those match? What is there at? And you got to

2043
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 4: start breaking the go down the game through more of

2044
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,799
Speaker 4: like an analytical perspective, because when I put on the film,

2045
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 4: I don't know if the left tackle was supposed to

2046
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 4: have helped by the left guard on a full slide

2047
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 4: protection when he got beat in the B gap and

2048
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 4: gave up a sack. I think he should have, but

2049
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 4: I don't know what the protection really was. I wasn't

2050
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 4: in the meeting like I was when I was a player.

2051
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 4: So I think the only way for me to fairly

2052
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 4: evaluate these teams and present the matchup is a more

2053
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 4: analytical approach, because it's really all we have. And as

2054
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 4: I dove more into these trends, and then I stand

2055
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:40,959
Speaker 4: up there in the booth and I watch these games unfold.

2056
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 4: More often than not, what that data, what those analytics,

2057
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,719
Speaker 4: what those reports laid out throughout the course of the week,

2058
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 4: more times than not, is exactly how the game goes.

2059
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 4: It's exactly how the team plays early downs, or the

2060
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 4: coverage or the blitz rate or whatever it is like,

2061
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 4: it typically holds pretty strong. I can't measure how hard

2062
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 4: you're playing. I'm assuming everyone's playing hard, so for me,

2063
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 4: it's not a factor. That is how I've now approached

2064
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 4: the game the last five years, and as I've approached

2065
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 4: it more like that, my understanding of the game and

2066
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:20,679
Speaker 4: what I say actually happening on the field has gone up.

2067
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 2: Mmm.

2068
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 1: I love the way you just broke the whole thing down.

2069
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 2: Who do you call games with?

2070
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 4: Joe Davis?

2071
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 2: Joe Davis, I gotta tell you something, Joe, I gotta

2072
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 2: tell you something, Joe New England. Losing that game a

2073
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago versus the Buffalo Bills was the

2074
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 2: best thing to happen to this team because it has

2075
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 2: reignited and re sparked this momentum this team has going

2076
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 2: into the playoffs. You know what I'm saying, you guys,

2077
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 2: shit your pants, ship our pants. No, no, no, no,

2078
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 2: it's got to happen. It's gotta happen in the game

2079
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 2: when the Patriots score, and then we'll be in the

2080
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,679
Speaker 2: group chat I'll say save the line and then hey,

2081
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 2: I tell you what, Joe, Yeah, I say?

2082
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 4: Will I love you? Say it back? Yeah, yeah, what

2083
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 4: do you think Twitter would do? What do you think

2084
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 4: the internet? How my mentions would be a dumpster fire? No, no, no,

2085
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 4: I said the word momentum. How much would people love

2086
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 4: to ship on me?

2087
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 1: I think people that don't see this will shoot before it,

2088
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 1: but the ones that do will love you forever for

2089
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 1: it love.

2090
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 2: If we're it'll be a turning point to where Greg

2091
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 2: now believes in momentum, in momentum, in the spirit of

2092
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 2: the playoffs.

2093
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 1: Right just before twenty twenty six, he believes reignited. Yeah,

2094
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:39,639
Speaker 1: Greg's love for the game and the passionate momentum.

2095
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 4: Two thousand and it's my last story.

2096
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:45,720
Speaker 1: After this.

2097
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's been We've had him.

2098
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he gotta get I'm gonna go do it.

2099
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 4: I gotta go sauna. I've eaten guys. I don't even

2100
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 4: want to weigh in.

2101
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 1: Hey, twenty twenty six.

2102
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, give us your story, give us your story of

2103
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 4: the a lot of late night cocktails. I've really gotten

2104
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 4: into espresso, Martiniz. We talked about that, hey company, separate conversation.

2105
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 2: Anyway.

2106
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 4: Twenty fifteen, we win our first fourteen games. We're fourteen

2107
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 4: and oh on Christmas morning, we're fourteen and oh that

2108
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 4: weekend we played the Atlanta We played the Atlanta Falcons,

2109
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 4: who we had just two weeks prior. So in week thirteen,

2110
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 4: our thirteenth win, whatever week it was. In thirteenth win,

2111
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 4: we beat the Atlanta Falcons like thirty something to nothing.

2112
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 4: Week fourteen we win Christmas Week, our fifteenth game. So

2113
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 4: it's week sixteen. We go to Atlanta. We had just

2114
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 4: beat them by thirty. We were fourteen and oh, we

2115
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 4: had all the momentum. We're dabbing. We're fighting people in

2116
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 4: Tennessee in the end zone. I mean, we are right.

2117
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 4: Your fans are sending letters to the Charlotte Observer because

2118
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 4: Cam's dabbing it. Like you talk about emotion and high

2119
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 4: energy and vibes, and you couldn't be a more vibe

2120
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 4: team than we were. In twenty fifteen. We lose to Atlanta.

2121
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 2: Ooh, got too much.

2122
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 1: We'd lose hockey hockey.

2123
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 4: Cocky, we too much momentum. We lose to Atlanta. In Atlanta.

2124
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 4: Week seventeen, we come home a lot of debate about

2125
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 4: whether or not we should play the starters. We locked

2126
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 4: up the one seed. We play. We beat the Tampa

2127
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 4: Bay Bucks at home to finish the regular season fifteen

2128
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 4: and one bye week. We have all the momentum. Long

2129
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 4: story short, we beat Seattle. We were up thirty to

2130
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,680
Speaker 4: nothing at halftime. Apparently we left the momentum in the

2131
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 4: locker room. We had to recover an on side kick

2132
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 4: to win the game. We then beat the doors off

2133
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 4: of Arizona. We scored like forty five. We were the

2134
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 4: number one offense in the league. We scored thirty plus

2135
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 4: against Seattle. We scored forty plus against the Cardinals. We

2136
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 4: scored ten points in the Super Bowl. So a year

2137
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:13,560
Speaker 4: that was momentum and energy and vibes and good feelings

2138
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 4: and locker room and we scored ten points in the

2139
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:21,599
Speaker 4: Super Bowl and lost. Yeah, But my point is like

2140
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 4: along the ride, were we good because we were good?

2141
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 4: Or were we good because we had vibes? Were we

2142
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,599
Speaker 4: good because we had momentum? I just think we were

2143
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 4: good and I think we won a lot of games

2144
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 4: that were close and we blew a lot of people

2145
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 4: out because we were good, and Cam was the MVP

2146
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:40,800
Speaker 4: and we had ten Pro Bowlers, So like, was it

2147
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Speaker 4: momentum or were we just good? And then all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden, did we lose the momentum or did we

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01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 4: just play shitty? Like I look back on the Super

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Speaker 4: Bowl and I'm like, we played shitty. We didn't block

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01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 4: von Miller. I ran the first third down too short.

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Speaker 4: I was a yard short, caught the ball and we punted,

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Speaker 4: Like did we lose the momentum? I just think we

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Speaker 4: played like shit and we lost. So like that's my point.

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Speaker 4: Like I look at that year and I go, if

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Speaker 4: the momentum was so high, why do we lose the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Man, yeah, fair enough makes you really reevaluate.

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Speaker 4: I should have ran deeper. On the first third down

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Speaker 4: of the game. I ran a backside. I was so

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01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 4: worried about edging. I had like a back I had

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01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 4: like a edge backside dig. I was late in the

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01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 4: I was late in the progression. I'll never forget it

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Speaker 4: my rest of my life. That's why I have so

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01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 4: many express on martinis. And I gave like a quick

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01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 4: little edge, but I probably I got out fast enough

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Speaker 4: that I could have gotten my depth. But they were

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01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 4: playing like quarters and the safeties were real tight, and

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Speaker 4: I let them dictate and it was like third and nine.

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01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 4: I ran like a seven roll to eight something like that.

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01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 4: Caught it got hit short. Nowadays, you probably go for it.

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Speaker 4: We punted and we fell behind by multiple scores, and

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Speaker 4: we just never got going. So you didn't edge it up,

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Speaker 4: and I'm just run a shitty route.

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Speaker 2: You didn't edge enough to keep it going enough get

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Speaker 2: so anytime I get close to edging, there's no way

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Speaker 2: I can keep the edge. Same.

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Speaker 1: I always lose the edge every time close to the edge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, every single I get to the edge and I

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Speaker 2: just jump off the edge.

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Speaker 1: I always say to myself while I'm on the edge,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, do I this is right? Shut down the edge,

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Speaker 1: And it's always like finish.

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01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 2: Well, now that I know once's speak, Oh, it's already,

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Speaker 2: it's gone.

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01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 4: Well, now that I know that, once I have the momentum,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to get too far to the edge

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Speaker 4: of momentum because you told me that's cockiness.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 4: But then I also have to evaluate in real time

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01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 4: where my sweet spot of momentum is because it's different

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01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:44,599
Speaker 4: for everybody. And then the last piece I've learned today

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Speaker 4: was even though momentum is the number one factor of success,

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Speaker 4: there's no way to hold on to it at any moment.

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01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 4: You have to hand it back.

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01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 2: Well, you got to recalibrate. You can't fucking drink your

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01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 2: own kool aid, you know what I mean. You can't

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01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 2: think you're already dead, Like there's way to recapture the momentum,

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01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 2: which I would ask you when you lost the Falcons

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Speaker 2: in week fifteen, was there a sense in the locker

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01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 2: room like, hey, this is once you beat the breaks

2203
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:10,680
Speaker 2: off the next team you're like, hey, this lost is

2204
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 2: the best.

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01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 1: Thing that happened to You can't just suit up on

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01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: a Sunday.

2207
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're about to go into playoff mode. We are.

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01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:18,799
Speaker 4: We remember that where the Carolina is our momentum recheck.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna say, if you guys don't

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01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 1: lose the Falcons, you're probably bumped out in your first

2211
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: game Divisional, probably out because then you don't have a

2212
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:28,640
Speaker 1: momentum check. You got to have it, just like the

2213
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 1: Patriots did.

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01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:31,640
Speaker 4: We scored thirty in the first half.

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01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:34,680
Speaker 1: Right, but we already talked about the half wesets momentum.

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01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,639
Speaker 4: So we scored thirty in the first half against Seattle

2217
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:40,759
Speaker 4: in the division round because three weeks two weeks earlier,

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01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 4: we lost in Atlanta exactly.

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01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're starting to get it.

2220
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 4: You're starting I'm starting to get it.

2221
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:51,320
Speaker 2: Because you remember you're going to half and you're like, oh, boys,

2222
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 2: hey remember three weeks ago. You might not say it

2223
01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 2: out loud, but subconsciously in the back of the break,

2224
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:56,800
Speaker 2: that's where's att And then you thought to yourself, we're

2225
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 2: gonna beat the Broncos because Peyton Main has got like

2226
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 2: a broken neck and this it'll be easy.

2227
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,839
Speaker 1: He can't to the ball more a fifteen yards, which cocky.

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01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, well that's a great point. What I so,

2229
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 4: what I'm hearing is I need to do a better

2230
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 4: job connecting two completely irrelevant, separate moments tying them together.

2231
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 4: How do we tie them together? Momentum?

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01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2233
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like the way you said irrelevant because

2234
01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:22,919
Speaker 1: it felt like you were demeaning the conversation.

2235
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:26,679
Speaker 2: You know what he's saying, irrelevant factors that are extreme

2236
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 2: on both ends.

2237
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:29,879
Speaker 4: I'm saying. He's telling us saying when he was thinking,

2238
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 4: maybe we're getting to do with each other.

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01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:34,600
Speaker 2: We're getting over our skis right now, Greg, instead of

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01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 2: standing up in the team meeting and be like, hey,

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01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 2: don't smell your own ship. Yeah, we could lose this

2242
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 2: game if we walk in here with this attitude, he

2243
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 2: chose to stay seated. Yep.

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01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,640
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, yep, yep, just marinating in

2245
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:49,799
Speaker 1: all his momentum, which only turns into cocky.

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01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like, no, you know what, we thought

2247
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 2: we were going to beat the ship out of the Broncos.

2248
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:54,599
Speaker 2: We got humbled.

2249
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:57,759
Speaker 4: This is this is eye opening.

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Speaker 1: And before we get you out of here, Greg, give

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01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 1: me one New Year's resolution.

2252
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 4: I gotta get back. I'm getting back in shape.

2253
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:08,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, every year we talk about it. Six months,

2254
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 1: I think six years. I'll every year I'll bust with

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01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:11,760
Speaker 1: the boys.

2256
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 4: Let's get jacked, But I'm not gonna get jacked. I'm like, sorry,

2257
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,040
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I hope you guys get jacked. I'd be

2258
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 4: so proud if you get jacked. Here's how I look

2259
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 4: at it. I for fourteen years, I busted my ass like,

2260
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 4: I took my training very seriously what I ate in

2261
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 4: my training, and I was super diligent and I was

2262
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 4: never jacked. So I have no like false notions. Now

2263
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 4: unless I got on like the sauce or something, I.

2264
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, now you can get on steroid.

2265
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,280
Speaker 4: Yah, I'm gonna start doing like peptide shit, which I

2266
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 4: think is like the craze. I gotta like look into

2267
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 4: it a little bit more.

2268
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 2: Bro.

2269
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 4: So if I do come back jacked, I'm here on

2270
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 4: the record. If one day you see me and you're like,

2271
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 4: holy shit, Olsen's yoked. I one hundred percent took some

2272
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 4: sort of assistant substance peptide. I'm not saying juice, but like,

2273
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 4: am I micro dosing some peptides and some Maybe I'm

2274
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 4: not saying I.

2275
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 2: Have you got on testosterone yet?

2276
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 4: No, I'm on. I'm on hot dog beers and espresso martinis.

2277
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 2: Maybe looking at some tea. Not having any more kids?

2278
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 4: Are you?

2279
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 1: That's the next that's the next week's conversation.

2280
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 4: Next week's combo, we'll talk about after the new year

2281
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:22,679
Speaker 4: what we're doing to get our vibes right. But having

2282
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:24,880
Speaker 4: said that, like I just want to get back to

2283
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 4: like middle baseline, forty one year old dad, Like I'm

2284
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 4: fine taking my shirt off at the pool. No one's

2285
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 4: gonna be like, wow, that guy's in great shape, and

2286
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 4: everyone's gonna like, yeah, I can see how he used

2287
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 4: to play pro ball, Like he's a big guy.

2288
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what you want.

2289
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:40,679
Speaker 4: I'm looking for that I'm not looking to be a hero.

2290
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the thing you have going for you already

2291
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 1: exquisite jawline. So in a T shirt, you're already running

2292
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 1: the game. The goal is not to look like a bodybuilder.

2293
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 1: The goal is a look in the mirror and not

2294
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:53,400
Speaker 1: want to throw up and be like, all right, I

2295
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:56,000
Speaker 1: can understand why she wants to sleep with me, and

2296
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 1: that's then oh yeah, well you you check this out

2297
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 1: and be like this camp either reason.

2298
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:02,600
Speaker 4: That it's sure not me.

2299
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:05,840
Speaker 1: Check it's not my body. Maybe it's just my personality.

2300
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 4: Now you know, it's not my humor.

2301
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not my body.

2302
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:11,599
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm just a shitty dad.

2303
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:14,679
Speaker 2: The goal. The goal is to feel good about having

2304
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:16,640
Speaker 2: sex with the lights on. Yeah, because I'm at a

2305
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 2: point where I need to be pitch black. I gotta

2306
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:20,720
Speaker 2: close the curtains. I'm gonna close everything else.

2307
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:22,439
Speaker 1: Something to be said about the senses. Though you take

2308
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:23,920
Speaker 1: away a sense, the other one gets stronger.

2309
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:26,599
Speaker 4: Yeah it's nice you can't see ship.

2310
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:28,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, just you're all.

2311
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 4: Over the map.

2312
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the world where I'm having sex with

2313
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 2: a T shirt on them.

2314
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 4: Right, great show, great show, great show. In the last

2315
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:45,040
Speaker 4: four months, this might be my favorite episode we've ever heard.

2316
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, by Far, by Far. It's the end of

2317
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 1: the year. Man, Nothing matters, Nothing.

2318
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 4: Matters till we're getting back in shape. We're not gonna

2319
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 4: be heroes.

2320
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 2: How good be heroes?

2321
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 4: I think we can do it together. We gotta hold

2322
01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 4: each other accountable.

2323
01:44:59,000 --> 01:44:59,839
Speaker 1: Cdibil buddies.

2324
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 4: I'm leaving this call, putting on my hoodie, my sweats,

2325
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 4: I'm going on the treadmill in Kline walk sauna. That's

2326
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:10,480
Speaker 4: my afternoon.

2327
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 1: We love it.

2328
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:17,160
Speaker 4: Happy New Years.

2329
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:23,479
Speaker 2: Will set the y I'll set it up.

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01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 1: Set the group chat, Set the group chat.

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01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 2: Dude, I don't want to tell my I gotta Loga's name.

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01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 1: All right? Hey, what an episode? Huh? Mass were still roll?

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01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 1: Press some buttons. We're good, all right, Greg, By the way,

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01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 1: that was my favorite episode we've ever done with him.

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01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: Incredible guys. We are gonna go and now shoot our

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01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 1: best of episode for Bust with the Boys that comes

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01:45:44,439 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 1: out tomorrow, which is Tuesday at six am. Please check

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01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:50,840
Speaker 1: that out. All the boys will be on. We have

2339
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:52,400
Speaker 1: a cool little setup in the back. We're not gonna

2340
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 1: talk about it. You'll be able to see it on YouTube.

2341
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 1: But once again, you've stayed this long with us. Please subscribe,

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Speaker 1: please comment, We really appreciate you. Incredible year. It's been

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Speaker 1: incredible year. Cannot wait to make twenty twenty six hour

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