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Speaker 1: Body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Take a moment, take

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Speaker 1: A breath is something that most of us just take

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about arguably one of the most

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Speaker 2: Yes me and Carr was being stalked and just one

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Speaker 2: month after reporting it to police, Carr was abducted and killed.

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Speaker 2: Australian police said Carr was bound with tape and cable ties,

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Bags Dave

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Speaker 1: mac Have you ever been punched in the gut and

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Speaker 1: have what they say, had the win knocked out of you.

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Speaker 1: I think it's happened to everybody. Maybe you fall on

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Speaker 1: this particular case today it didn't.

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Speaker 3: Do. You have a young couple, Jasmine Korr and her

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Speaker 3: He was really creepy stalking. We don't know the depth

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Speaker 3: And it was enough. It was enough that police went

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Speaker 1: I just want to bring this to the surface. How

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Speaker 3: As I mentioned, the CCTV camera showed everything. They showed

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Speaker 1: And she would have known what was coming, Dave. And

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Speaker 1: But to behold what is down under, to see that

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Speaker 3: A sad and scary thought that this is what a

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Speaker 3: It is not. Yeah, that's a great term. It is nonsensical.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to terror razz her. And I think that as well.

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Speaker 1: And this soil that she is uptaking through her nostrils

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