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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome. Man, it stuck got Leeban. You are listening

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Speaker 1: to the All Ball podcast, All Basketball all the time,

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Speaker 1: and man, do we have a good pod for you.

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Speaker 1: We're coming off an unbelievable All Star weekend. I'm not

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Speaker 1: into what Steve Kerr has said, which is like, look,

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Speaker 1: are pretty amazing, and they get better and better, Like

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Speaker 1: it stands the reason these guys are dunking and doing

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Speaker 1: dunks we never thought possible. But we come off an

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Speaker 1: give you one thought on Lebron in a second. Let

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Speaker 1: me just do this on the dunk contest, which I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody else is said. You know, one of

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Speaker 1: we're searching for why Derrick Jones and you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know ty like my own feelings have been in

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Speaker 1: dunk contest, which don't really matter. Why do we have

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Speaker 1: to give nines intents all the time? Right? These guys

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Speaker 1: should be judged on a different scale that the best

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Speaker 1: not every dunk is a tent. It's just not attend

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Speaker 1: should be the perfect dunk. Attend should be untoppable. But

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Speaker 1: and life tells us that's not actually the case. The

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Speaker 1: So I don't know who should have won, or if

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Speaker 1: When you watched in the regular season, same thing, when

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Speaker 1: when I tell people like I don't know if he's

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Speaker 1: And I think you can be the most valuable and

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Speaker 1: He doesn't play defense as harder as often as Lebron,

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Speaker 1: That's why I make him the m v P. All Right,

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Speaker 1: Ah app alright, so Gary, so let's let's start at

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Speaker 1: the not the very beginning. That like birth. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: you played high school in Franklin, Tennessee. Is that where

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Speaker 1: you grew up? Yeah, it is what's right there? When

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Speaker 1: I was like sixth grade or so, Okay, so that's

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Speaker 1: not where you grew up. Where did you live before Franklin, Tennessee?

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Speaker 1: I was. I was in Louisville, Kentucky before there. Why

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Speaker 1: it's like a very very very very nice you were in.

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Speaker 1: Were you always were always tall? Or did did you

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Speaker 1: So how did how did it? How did it happen? Like?

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Speaker 1: When did when did this? When did the switch flip?

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Speaker 1: Um but they they and they had offered a kid

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Speaker 1: was exactly what was Casey like to play for he Um.

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00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 1: He's a great, great coach, I mean great X knows guys,

427
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: I mean really knows me. He's he's got to be

428
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: one of the smartest guys I've been around. UM. But

429
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: he's also like a super super supportive coach. He's a

430
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 1: lot one of those guys is gonna sit here and

431
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 1: dog kins. He'll definitely tell you what you're doing wrong

432
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: and correct you and and get onto you. But he's

433
00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 1: he does in a constructive way where you learn from it. Um.

434
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 1: And he's always been super super supportive of me. And

435
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean I still keep in touch with him. We've

436
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 1: got a great relationship. But I mean, I I wouldn't

437
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: be where I'm at in my career if it wasn't

438
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 1: for him, that's for sure. Okay, that year, so you

439
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: come back for your junior year, right now, you got

440
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, you got it across your chest, your twenty

441
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 1: game guy, and in the like six game the year

442
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: you play Belmont. For people who don't know the Belmont

443
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: Lipscomb rivalry, what is that game? Like, it's insane. I mean,

444
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 1: it may be one of our biggest games all year.

445
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, it's, uh, you know, you

446
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: don't you go into it not really liking those guys

447
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 1: that don't really like you. You don't really best them

448
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: outside of that game. Um, and I mean it's it's

449
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: definitely a huge, like prideful game for sure. And obviously

450
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: I went, I don't know, like two and six against him, maybe, yeah,

451
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: but those that your junior year you swept him. You

452
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: beat him, beat him twice. And yeah, well so the

453
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: first game you beat him, you scored forty eight. In

454
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: the second half as a team, you scored, you personally

455
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: scored twenty two six boards you did have an assist

456
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: that might have been an airball that might not actually

457
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: been assisted. Probably probably probably was what was the feeling,

458
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: what was the feeling like of going into Belmont and

459
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: and and beating Belmont? It was. It was one of

460
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: the craziest funes in the world, just because when Lipscomb

461
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: hadn't beatn Belmont probably I think it was like eleven

462
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: years or something like that, or maybe the left or

463
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: whatever it was. But it was just feeling to be

464
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: able to do it just for that school. And and

465
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean you wouldn't really be able to like tell

466
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: unless you were there, just how Lipscomb kind of erupted

467
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: from that from those winds, and how it really like

468
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: kind of brought pride back to the school. Um, I

469
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 1: would guess it was. It was what's what's Lipscomb like

470
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: as a school? It's a it's a very it's a

471
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: small Christian um college. Um, it's it's it's a it's it.

472
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: Personally for me, it was a great fit, um for

473
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: me being my faith being very important to me. Um,

474
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm a Christian and that that's one of the biggest

475
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: things in my life and it was great for me

476
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: to be grounded. Um. There in that and uh, it's

477
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: it's just the perfect fit. It's a small Christian school.

478
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: There's only about four thousand students there undergrad And uh,

479
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: I mean right in right in Nashville. So I mean

480
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: he can't really beat that either. How far from Belmont

481
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: not even two miles? That's crazy crazy, and you swept

482
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: in that. Okay, fast forward. You play Florida Gulf Coast

483
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: at Florida Gulf Coast right Atltico Arena at Florida Gulf

484
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: Coast to go to the n c A tournament. Um,

485
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: what I've I've I've always wondered, you know, like, what

486
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: is that pressure like? It's not just that you're on

487
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: the team that has to win to play in the tournament,

488
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: but you're the guy who has to perform in order

489
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: for your team to win and get to the tournament.

490
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: What what what was that experience like yet? Because yeah,

491
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: I mean you you had seven threes, you had thirty three.

492
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: I mean you you absolutely balled out thirty three nine

493
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: three assists in a block. Um, you know, one o

494
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: nine win over f g c U. But what is

495
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: that like to to try and sleep the night before,

496
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: try and get ready knowing so much of the pressure

497
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: is on you. I mean, you can't get much sleep.

498
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: It's it's one of it's obviously you show that kind

499
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: of pressure, but I mean once the balls tipped and

500
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: you get past the first media time out, it's just

501
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: another game. Um, It's but I mean, leading up to

502
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: that point, I've never had so much a journal in

503
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: pumpets me in my entire life. It's just I'll never

504
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: forget that moment. That's for sure. You go to the

505
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: n c A Tournament and now you're taking on North Carolina. Obviously, Um,

506
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: you know that looked that was a Every Carolina team

507
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: is a talented team. That was a that was a talent.

508
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: That was a talented team with Cam Johnson and Kenny

509
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: Williams and Luke May. What was that experience like for you?

510
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: It was it was obviously a really cool experience. Obviously,

511
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: it hurts that we've lost, and I didn't play particularly

512
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: well whatsoever, so as it was definitely a fresh a team. Um,

513
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: but really to I mean to sit and like realize

514
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: how far we come into school, being the first team

515
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: to ever make it into a tournament, and you kind

516
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: of got to put things in perspective. Even though as

517
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: much as I wanted to win, it was just it

518
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: was cool to be able to do it. For that's school,

519
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: all right. See come back for your senior year. Now

520
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: you've been to the n c A term you how

521
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: the success? Everyone knows you're going to be good. Um

522
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: did you do anything different? How did you continue to

523
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: evolve as a player? I mean I continued to work.

524
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean I was I realized, like if I really

525
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: wanted to excel and maybe possibly make I didn't really

526
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: think I had a chance to make the NBA until

527
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: late in my senior year. But if I really wanted

528
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: to have a chance to play professionally, I had to

529
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: get my three point percentage up because I mean I'm

530
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: not just an athletic score or anything. Um, So I

531
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: really really focused on shooting the way I shot, Um

532
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: the type of in terms of what you shot, in

533
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: terms of what like you like you watched some of

534
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: my shots. I mean, I'm not particularly squared up to

535
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: the bast it, So I'm really coming off screens really

536
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: really hard and just basically jumping as soon as I

537
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: cash and turning there and making shots like I work

538
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: on that stuff all the time. Uh and and how

539
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: many how many. How do you have do you have

540
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: a number of shots? Like? Because who we have on

541
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: before we were talking to what's talking to Matt Thomas

542
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: of course Iowa State Now he's with the Raptors, And

543
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: he said, you know, like I don't do really numbers

544
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: and shooting. I do till with feel when I'm feeling,

545
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: like from a spot a shot, I see it go

546
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: in A couple of I see it go in. Sometimes

547
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: do you have a number, like what is what is

548
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: your pattern? What is your routine? No, I don't. I

549
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: don't usually make I don't usually make it a number

550
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: unless it's like, um, they're set shots and I have

551
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: to make certain amount of the road to move to

552
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: the next spot. But I'm doing that kind of stuff.

553
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: I really just I'll maybe spend fift twenty minutes of

554
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: doing one sort of move off of pin down until

555
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: I really really feel like we can move on to

556
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: the next and the next thing. Um. And my trainer,

557
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: Jordan's he's done a great job of I mean with

558
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: his workouts, he doesn't he makes a game like he's

559
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: not just it in their rebound and passing ball, he's

560
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: he's guarding you and he's making it like it's game

561
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: like so that you can really improve. So I don't

562
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: really like think of a number until we really feel

563
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: like we've got it and we I mean, then we

564
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: do come back the next day and do it again

565
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: the next day. You know. So, Tad, this crazy year,

566
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: your senior year. You win twenty nine games, you win

567
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: the league, but you get swept by Belmont. Right, you lose, uh,

568
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: lose by four there or two there and four at home?

569
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: You lost a close one to Louisville. You beat Middle

570
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: who was really good. Right. Another that's that's like I

571
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: don't know what is it forty five minutes outside of Nashville, right,

572
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: So these are all kind of close books. You you

573
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: lost to Clemson. Um, so give me, like, what are

574
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: you your senior year? It's um you Kenny Cooper, Michael Buckland,

575
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: Rob Marbury, are you the are you the leader? Are

576
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: you the vocal leader? Or you? Like? What? What? What?

577
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: What was your personality? Like Pepper in there my roommated

578
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: like it for and by the way, anybody named Eli Pepper,

579
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't know him, but I'm sure he goes by

580
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: pep um. Yeah. A lot of people call pep. Yeah.

581
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: All right, So what's so okay? What give me the

582
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: breakdown of what those dudes are like. The vocal leaders

583
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: definitely had to be Rob Marberry. Um I was always

584
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: kind of a quiet dude. He didn't catch me really

585
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: getting on to anybody or telling people what to do

586
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: or this and that. I kind of just try to

587
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: be more of a a action leader. I wasn't. I'm

588
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: not much of a talker for sure, But Rob he'll talk,

589
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: for sure, He'll he's he's the loud one, and he was.

590
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: He was the captain of our team and he he

591
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: for sure made it known what what is that needs

592
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: to be done and this and that and he mean,

593
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: he was a great leader for us. He did all

594
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: the right things, made the right plays, tried to better

595
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: the team whatever way he could. I mean, is that's

596
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: the way he was. Eli, he's Eli is one of

597
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: the one of the best teammates I've had. You wouldn't

598
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: see him on the statuet, but he's I mean, you

599
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: saw where he over he got over a thousand boards.

600
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: But he's always he's You've never seen other statues, but

601
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: he does everything to make the team better. Um sech

602
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: great screens plays as hard as he can just just

603
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: a great team and always cheering for for others whatever.

604
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: Um Kenny obviously a great, great point guard who just

605
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: transferred to w KU this past year. Um yeah, I mean,

606
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: I can't say enough about that guy. He's he's still

607
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: a great friend of mine and he's an incredible player

608
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: that I wish he got his waiver this year. But

609
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's always tough when you have a coach

610
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: that leaves. I mean, I feel like he should have

611
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: gotten his waiver, but that's another discussion. No, no, I

612
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: mean he I mean and he went across the street.

613
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: He coach went across the street too. That's I gotta

614
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: get into that part. But um, okay, So Michael Bucklin

615
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: another piece to our where you can't forget him. He's

616
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: playing right now where they have obviously a ton of guys,

617
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: so he's kind of he's the one starter left out

618
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: that didn't leave. Um. But he was a great piece

619
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: as well. He was a great defender and just a

620
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: great pleasing as well. So Uh, okay, you're walking into

621
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: a gym or walking into an arena headphones uh coach

622
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: Coach Alexander would not let us no, So you had

623
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: no headphones so you walk in, you get your sweats

624
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: on bag. Okay, there's no You're not a music so

625
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: you couldn't be a music guy before the game. What

626
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: what you're in the locker room? Are you super quiet?

627
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: Are you reading? I mean, you can't listen to music.

628
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: This has to be really weird. I don't I wonder

629
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: what we can listen to music when we get in

630
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: the locker room. But like, yeah, yeah, so I listen

631
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: to music. I'll definitely pray. That's definitely part of my

632
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: pre game. Um just kinda get scraped out by the trainer,

633
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: the athletic trainer. Um, what's what's scraped down? Stretched out?

634
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: They know, scraped out. They have this metal grassing tool

635
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: and was just kind of scrape out your legs and

636
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: your back trying to get this one is out and

637
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Um so I do that. I usually

638
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: contrast in the cold and hot bath. Um. And that's

639
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: really about it, to be honestly. UM, I hate to

640
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: bring this up, but you did lose your last game

641
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: in Alan Arena. You're playing, you're playing, You're playing Liberty.

642
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: It's the last game. It's a championship game of the

643
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: ten A chance to go back to the n c

644
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: A Tournament. What went wrong? Man, I would say it

645
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: was it was my fault for sure. Let's see, I

646
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: think we're I think we're up one with a minute last,

647
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: maybe a minute thirty left. We have the ball, and

648
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: you know I was, I was driveling and I could

649
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: have shot it. I probably should have, but I looked

650
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: for one of my teammates on the back door and

651
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: just they stole it as a turnover and went down.

652
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: Really remember exactly what happened after that, but ended up

653
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: we have to get in the foul situation. They just

654
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: hit free throws and that's went wrong towards the end

655
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: of the game. But I mean we basically the whole game.

656
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: We let them play at their pace and Liberty plays

657
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: so slow and we're one of the fastest teams in

658
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: the country, so it's do we play at their place?

659
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: And they've got a great chat to Beta. Um. I

660
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: mean you you you hold like every scoring record there.

661
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 1: You took the team to the n c A tournament.

662
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: You win twenty nine games, right like at that point

663
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: in time, you guys, only you know, I mean, twenty

664
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: nine freaking games is crazy. At that point in time,

665
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: you were twenty five and six, I believe, or twenty

666
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: five and six like, um, but I I gotta think,

667
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: like I look, I I lost my senior night. We

668
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: lost to Oklahoma and we led by nine with I

669
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: don't know what it was five to go, and I

670
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: was I was one of these guys that I couldn't

671
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: make a free throw. I like completely, I was just

672
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: mental case up there. And so I think my coach

673
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: thought we were they were gonna start fouling, and he

674
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: took me out, and like as soon as he took

675
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: me on, we just lost all momentum. And I had

676
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: a chance to take an open three, and I hit

677
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: two threes in that game. Like you you remember these

678
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: games so vividly, right, more so even than a lot

679
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 1: of the wins. Um, You're in that locker room one

680
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: last time, and now you're like, okay, I thought we

681
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: were going to the n c A tournament before today.

682
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: Do you remember what that that group was like when

683
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: you're together at Alan Arena after losing your last game?

684
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: God heart, I mean that was the most anybody's ever

685
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: seen that many people in all arena. I mean it

686
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: was completely sold out. I've never seen at that pack

687
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: and it was crazy and and just man is I

688
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you this feeling just to let down, And

689
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: and I still think about that that backdoor passed I

690
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: threw like I should have probably just shot it. But um,

691
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: I mean it is what it is. You know, Yep,

692
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: you get to play in the n I T And

693
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: the game which I think people who didn't follow college

694
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: basketball figured out that you had a shot was NC

695
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: State points. You have eight threes? Um? What what? What

696
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: do you remember about the game? It was absolutely insane.

697
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: But to be honest with you, the most the biggest

698
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: thing that I remember is Kenny Cooper hitt in that

699
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: corner three. He stole it and I hit him in

700
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: the corner for three to go up and and then

701
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that, and then him winning the game

702
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: winning bucket. And those are the two peas. Yeah I

703
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: had four or four of Those are the two biggest

704
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: books of the game. There. And you guys are going

705
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: to New York City. So for a group of guys

706
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: who you know you started out your career, I don't

707
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: really necessarily belong here, mom, And then you get thrust

708
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: in your freshman year and now all of a sudden

709
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: you're senior. You've been the n c A tournament, you

710
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: won the league, you have all these records. Um, look

711
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: it's not the n c A term, but it is

712
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: New York City. That had to be an incredible feeling,

713
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: incredible reward for all of your guys. Hard working. You're

714
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: hard working. How you had had changed so much during

715
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: your time at lipsicom. Yeah, we were. We were mind

716
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: said that. I mean, we didn't make the nc tournament

717
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: and it sucks. So our one goal was to make

718
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: it to New York and play a Medicine Square Garden.

719
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know you're playing against these guys

720
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: that these time made your teams, they got let down

721
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: and being out of tournaments, you never really know whether

722
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: they actually want to be playing or not. And then

723
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: I see so they I mean we probably upset a

724
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: few teams that didn't want to be there. Um, but

725
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: it was just our whole mindset shifted where we wanted

726
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: to go play Madison Square Garden. You have thirty four

727
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: your first night. Obviously you struggled in the championship game.

728
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: Was that the length? What about? What about Texas did

729
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: you struggle with? I mean they made it tough on

730
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: every cash. They were dublin, they were denying. They weren't

731
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: leaving me whatsoever. I mean, shot a smart he's super

732
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: smart cars and he knows what he's doing. Um, he

733
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: had a great, great game plan for me, and there's

734
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: to be honest, he didn shots weren't really much I

735
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: could do. Case, Uh, so you lose that game? It

736
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: was the championship game of then I T won twenty

737
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: nine games. What case you said? After the game, he

738
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: was just telling us how how proud he is of

739
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: us and everything that we accomplished, and how hard we

740
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: file all your long, even despite getting kicked out of

741
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: the tournament and still playing hard in the and then

742
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: I T He was just just kind of reflecting over

743
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: the year and and and stuff like that. It was

744
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: it was a super positive speech. What did you what so?

745
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: What did you think? Like? What was your honest thinking?

746
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: After so college is over? You're like, all right, I

747
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: gotta I don't know, pick an agent. I gotta figure

748
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: this thing out. What was your thought process? Yeah? I

749
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: was I had already kind of figured out who it

750
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: was that I had in mine that I wanted to

751
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: sign with. Um, they were still guys. I was kind

752
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: of flirting with, but I knew probably who I was

753
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: gonna sign with, and I got lucky enough to to

754
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: sign with the age and I have right now and

755
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: and it's been an incredible fit from from the room

756
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: and I signed with him. All right, So who is it?

757
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: His name is Chris Patrick with the Sports Law Group. Okay,

758
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: so Chris Patt. You signed Chris Patch. So what did

759
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: Chris say? Like, what was his what do he think

760
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: your your rookie season as a professional would look like?

761
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: We'll see. He was the only one that really thought

762
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: I could make it to the Everybody else was trying

763
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: to push overseas and I was, and so really in

764
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: my mind, I was like, maybe these guys are right.

765
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have a chance to make a league

766
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: because like now, you just get a two way or

767
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: some sort of deal and we're gonna make it happen.

768
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: Sure enough, he made it happen. Okay, But it's not

769
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: it's not it's not not just it's just not that easy, right, Okay,

770
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, you you you had you had workouts.

771
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: What was the best workout you had? I thought the

772
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: best workout had Phoenix Sons work out. Just everything seemed

773
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: like it went in I worked out with Grant Williams

774
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: um Me and in mind team, and I felt like

775
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: we were just killing um and I don't think they

776
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: really had any clue who I was really before then,

777
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: and uh then ended up like sort of like me.

778
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: But that was probably my best workout for sure. So

779
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: they don't draft you. No one draw drafts you did

780
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: you did you think you were getting drafted draft ning?

781
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: I thought there was gonna be a chance if some

782
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: of the teams where some of the guys were picked

783
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: that the other teams wanted before me, you go, So

784
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: you go undrafted. Chris calls you right afterwards. He's texting

785
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: you during it like what was the what what's the process? Like, yeah, well,

786
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean I'm kind of tripping out, like wondering what's

787
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: gonna happen because he was kind of talking. He's like, well,

788
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna get, because it sounded

789
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: like I was I had a couple of hours before

790
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: the draft for maybe a two year two way or

791
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: because if it tends this and that, and then after

792
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: the draft he's like, well, well I don't know what

793
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 1: we got now. And so basically I was just going home,

794
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: like going to sleep, Like I was just like frustrated

795
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: and my girlfriend at the time, she was I was

796
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: kind of like pushing her off, so I sent her

797
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: home kind of and I was just being rude. And

798
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: so I went home just trying to go to sleep,

799
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: just trying to forget the night for sure. Okay, wait,

800
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: you see you go from like I don't know. Listen,

801
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: I just I had no idea to now you're now

802
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: you're expecting to make it and now you're blowing everybody

803
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: off because you're ticked right, You're in a bad place

804
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: to wake up the next you wake up the next day.

805
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: And what happened, Well, actually he called me right before

806
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: I right when I got in bed at midnight that night,

807
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, the Wizards want to do a

808
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: two way and we jumped on it. So the Wizards

809
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: do it two ways. You're like, oh my gosh, I'm

810
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: a two way contra. You call your girlfriend back like

811
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: you gotta come over. We gotta sell it anyway. So

812
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: um so you do you like, do you immediately fly

813
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: to Washington? What's the process? Like I flew with that

814
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: next week. Um, I had fun that next week to

815
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: to d C to go through mini campum with them

816
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: before Summer League, and so that's that's kind of what

817
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: I got to take a week at home and then

818
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: flew up there. What did it feel like? Did it

819
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: feel like I can do this? Where you was? It?

820
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: Was it like Lipscomb all over again, where you're not

821
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: sure if you belong What was the feeling it was?

822
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I belonged because we had twenty

823
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: something guys fighting for the summer league spot and uh,

824
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: I was, man, I couldn't hit a shot, wh wasn't

825
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: doing nothing, and I was just here we go and

826
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: U and it was it's definitely like that feeling of

827
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: being a lipscum. Yeah, well listen, I mean every and

828
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: then you're like, and then there's guys you've never heard

829
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: of in your life, Like that guy is really good?

830
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: Why have I never heard of that guy? Exactly? Um, okay,

831
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: So you do make the summer league roster, you go

832
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: to summer League. What was that experience? Like? It was cool?

833
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean you see all these these high major guys

834
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: that everybody knows about and nobody knows about you, and

835
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: you're getting to play with these guys. It's pretty cool,

836
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: and I mean I didn't play the first two games

837
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: and then played the last three, and it was just

838
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where I knew I

839
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be like the high school. I knew I

840
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna get the balls. Many times I did list them,

841
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: but I was just trying to do the little things

842
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: just to kind of show that I'm a little bit

843
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: more than just a shooter, you know. Yeah, so you

844
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: get done with Summer League, who from the Wizards talk

845
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: to you? I didn't really talk to anybody personally. I

846
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: know Tommy Shepherd, the GM talked to my to my

847
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: Asian a lot um. Really I didn't talk to anybody

848
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: personally there at the Wizards. Okay, so so so what

849
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: did what did Chris tell you? The expectations were, Yeah,

850
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: they didn't really have it any and he didn't really

851
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: say any expectations. He was just like, we're gonna there's

852
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: a chance that you could make it. You need to

853
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: see they built this d or they got this contract

854
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: to me to see how I do in in the

855
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: NBA games and see if I'm a player that they

856
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: can maybe signed for next year. It was all about

857
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: development here, so that was kind of It wasn't like

858
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna come in, You're gonna score this amount of points,

859
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna do this much for our team, which just

860
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: kind of to see and kind of developed me as

861
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: a player. Okay, so did you did you go home?

862
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: Did you go stay in d C? What's that process

863
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: like when you get done with Summer League? Yeah? I

864
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: went home for about another month. Um, just worked out

865
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: and got to relax before I moved up late August

866
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: here in d C and just started doing workouts with

867
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: the team and and everything before the season before training

868
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: camp started. Did you did you change? Did you crank

869
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: up your workouts? Is there anything different that you did

870
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: now that you had seen at least Summer league competition. No,

871
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: I kind of I kind of brought it down, honestly

872
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: a little bit because I was like, because man, that

873
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: when you're doing a pre jure and you have no

874
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: clue how how tough is that? Your body just killed

875
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: And so I just kind of I dialed it down

876
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: a little bit, just like my body rest because I

877
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: was so tired, um and my body just hurd it.

878
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: So I gave it. I still out pretty hard, but

879
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: I don't I toned it down a little bit with

880
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: my body rest. So you go back to d C

881
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: and you go to VET camp. So you show up

882
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: at VET camp, and I mean, I've done Scottie forever. Um,

883
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: obviously you know all of a sudden, you're like, that's

884
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: Brad bel these are real NBA players. Um, did you

885
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: did you have a first Brad I'm guarding Brad bal experience.

886
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: I remember he so, I mean, I've always played pretty

887
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: physical and a lot of the guys didn't like how

888
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: I played, so that I was still in hearing me,

889
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: and I remember Brag getting pissed at me one day

890
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: because he done I found him or something and he

891
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: was And then I remember hearing someone on the sidelines

892
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: like you're poking at the bear and like I didn't

893
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: really care who it was when I was guarding, like

894
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: I'm still as I can, um. And then then just

895
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: Brad started cooking me and it was like wow, just

896
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: hitting whatever he wanted, whatever he wanted to do, he

897
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: made it. So I have heard he had like like

898
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: as good a player, Like he's like what like thirty

899
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: two inch waist, Like he's the most like ridiculous body,

900
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: like just complete freak of nature accurate. Yeah, super athletic

901
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: than have an ouncer bodies. I don't know. I mean

902
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: a great guy too, like a great leader. Um, I

903
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: mean beside the fact he's a great player, I mean

904
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: he's always been great to me and other people, just

905
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: helping people learn and stuff because we're a young group.

906
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: So um so okay, first preseason game? Did you get in? Uh? First,

907
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: I think yeah, I got in like you know, three quarter,

908
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: a fourth quarter. I think I think it was against

909
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 1: the Knicks. Maybe, yeah, yeah, I actually had a decent

910
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: ounty and I think I had like nine or something

911
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: like that, and hit a couple of tough shots. But

912
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: as it was, it was a crazy feeling just being

913
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: on the in game floor, and it was it was

914
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: a lot faster than it was in college. To me,

915
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: it gotta be a lot faster, a lot more spread out.

916
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: Dudes are longer, right, the everything's all this angles kind

917
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: of closed up quicker. So you were you how to

918
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: shoot over that link? For sure? How do you how

919
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: do you make that adjustment? Like do you how do

920
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: you do you change the workout? Do you have somebody

921
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: stick up a broomstick? Like what do you do to

922
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: change to get used to shooting over that length. I

923
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: definitely had to speed up my my release for sure,

924
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: and I had to really kind of work on angles

925
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: and stuff and where to be on the catch and

926
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and not bringing the ball down and like,

927
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: uh like a long release where you're like cocking the

928
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: ball basically, Um, I try to eliminate some of that

929
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: and just just realize and when to pump fake and

930
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: went not to pump fake and stuff like that too.

931
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: So when did they tell you were going to be

932
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: on the opening night roster? Uh? I don't think that

933
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: really said. I mean, obviously, the G League season hadn't started,

934
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: the training campaign't started yet, so it didn't count towards

935
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: my days. So I think my agent had already told

936
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: me I was gonna be on the open roster. I

937
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: didn't really obviously know until it came out. But so

938
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: you walk into the locker room it's in Dallas, right,

939
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: first nights in Dallas, and you see your name and

940
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: your number. That's kind of you know, for a guy

941
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: like you're a football guy, right, who became this basketball

942
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: player who became the all time lad score. Now you're

943
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: legit in the NBA, Like, I mean the first dream

944
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: is I just want to play one night. Grant, you

945
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: only played thirty seven seconds that night. You didn't hit

946
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: a shot in your first two games. Still though, like,

947
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: it's your name on the back of your shirt, nobody

948
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: could ever take that from you. Um, do you have

949
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: do you have? Did you have moments before you started

950
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: really contributing where you realized, hey, this is this is

951
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in the NBA. Yeah, it did for sure.

952
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been the biggest blessing I've ever been

953
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: blessed with. And God put me in a great position

954
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: to be here. But all right, I was never really satisfied,

955
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, with just being there. I was, I was

956
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: happy I was there, but I never felt the feeling

957
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: of being satisfied. You know, Yes, it absolutely makes sense.

958
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: So then you have to go play in the G League,

959
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: Okay after being in the NBA, which is like it's

960
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: a you know, it's a it's a step back. But

961
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: for you, having played in the a son like, look,

962
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: you've you've been able to adjust. There were times early

963
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: in your career where there weren't people at games. Um,

964
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: what was the G League experience like? And I mean

965
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm still bouncing back and forth with turn teams. I'm

966
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: still playing the G League, But I mean it's different,

967
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean it's it seems like there's not

968
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: as much space um as there is in the NBA.

969
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: It's like almost like everybody knows spacing better in the

970
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: n B A. And and it's it's it's different, for sure,

971
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: I'd say, but it's I don't take it as like

972
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: a demotionalary thing. I try to take it as just

973
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: a chance to get better and a chance to learn

974
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: more and a chance to improve my game. And that

975
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: really try to look at it that way and not

976
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: a way of you're not good enough to play in

977
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: the NBA, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, no,

978
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: no doubt it was there a guy because again this

979
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: is kind of my experience. I had a podcast last

980
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: week with the Raja Bell, who we played in USBL.

981
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: He played the c b a I've see before he

982
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: became a start in the NBA. We talked, there's got

983
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: him Shaan Coulson. He now works guys out and Shaan

984
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: Coulson was the nastiest point guard in the USB. Oh,

985
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: was there a guy who you guarded? Who you've guarded

986
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: in the G League? You're like, dude, I never heard

987
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: of that guy and he is nice, like he's really

988
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: really good. I don't even remember him in his well,

989
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: I know the Martin Twins for for I think who

990
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: they were in college, but they were in the lee

991
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: and they were definitely tough to guard. But I remember

992
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: this Windy City bulls. I don't I still don't know

993
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: the day, but I remember him just shaking me one time,

994
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: and I'm just slight word did he even go? You

995
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: get called back up? Okay, you get called back up,

996
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: and now you're starting to get Now you're starting to

997
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: get minutes. Right now, you're starting to get minutes, and

998
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: you're starting to get opportunities. Um, you take on the

999
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: Miami Heat, and I know how it works with younger players.

1000
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: You're you get to play on back to backs, you

1001
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: get to play when guys are exhausted. December last year,

1002
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: you get twenty nine minutes against the Miami Heat, you

1003
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: have twenty eight points. All right, So I did you know?

1004
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 1: Like it's one of those things where Okay, so first,

1005
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: when you're a bench player, when you're a two way player,

1006
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: are you working out then? Are you doing first bus

1007
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: and you're you're doing an hour workout for the game,

1008
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: like what's your what's your day like when you're going

1009
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: to a game. Now, it's like for me, it's been like,

1010
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm typical as as like the starters, and you

1011
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: have your your typical fifteen minute workout, you have either

1012
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: a meeting or well, us younger guys, we have like

1013
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: an hour walk through like the early that morning to

1014
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: go to stuff and get extra work in and stuff

1015
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: like that. Um, but it's not like an hour like

1016
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: strenuous workout that we're doing. You know, earlier in the

1017
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: year when we were um, when I didn't play much.

1018
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: I think I had to play a little bit of

1019
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: three on three during one of the practices when we

1020
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: were on the road while the other guys were just

1021
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: kind of getting up shots and stuff. But and then,

1022
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: but they really kind of taking the easy on me

1023
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: because I've had some injuries that you I've dealt with.

1024
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: So um, okay, so tell me about tell me about

1025
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: that night and what it felt like. Did you know,

1026
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: like when did Scotty come to you and say, Hey,

1027
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm you're gonna play a bunch tonight or you just

1028
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: have to be ready every night? Oh, I just have

1029
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: to be ready. Nobody really tells me. But I knew

1030
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: I had a chance to get in because Brad wasn't playing.

1031
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: We had some injuries dealing with, so I knew there

1032
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: was a shot that I was going to get in,

1033
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: but I didn't know I playe minutes for sure. When

1034
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: did you know you you had it going? When I

1035
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: remember Tyler Harrow was closing out on me and I

1036
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: hit a little too drubble to the left, pull up,

1037
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: um and hit it, And I was like, I mean,

1038
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: if I can do that, I mean I can starting shots.

1039
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: I could really put together a pretty good game. Um.

1040
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: That first shot really kind of got me going, all right.

1041
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: Tyler is known for saying I'm a bucket right, not

1042
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: being a friend. You can't guard me. Was he talking

1043
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: to you? He did not. I don't hear what I'm

1044
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: saying anything, the whole game. Nothing. What do you What

1045
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: do you think is? I didn't hear it. I don't know.

1046
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: What do you think of Tyler's game? I gardened him

1047
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um, I know you hit a couple

1048
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: of tough shots against us, but I mean he's a

1049
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: shift to do. I mean, I've watched highlights and stuff

1050
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: they can play. Um, he's not a joke for sure. Uh.

1051
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: After after that, did do guys when you have a

1052
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: game like that? Is it do you guys look at

1053
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: you treat you any different or is it the same?

1054
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: Like you go ahut and you're like you have twenty

1055
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: eight in an NBA game as a rookie. I'm just

1056
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: wondering if now people treat you differently in that locker

1057
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: room and and in walkthroughs and in practice. I wouldn't

1058
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: say they treat you any differently or a little bit.

1059
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you're still just one of their teammates and

1060
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But but I mean it's almost like

1061
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: you can feel a little bit of respect, like they

1062
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: know that you can play now, like you finally prove

1063
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: that you can do something. Um, you can almost kind

1064
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: of feel it a little bit, not like anything anybody

1065
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: who's doing any intentional or anything like that, but you know, yeah, yeah, no,

1066
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: I I get it. Um, where were you when Kobe died?

1067
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: I was at my brother's house, I believe How did

1068
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: you find out? Somebody texted me? And Uh I was

1069
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: like I was like, which Kobe? And I was like

1070
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: because like I was just in disbelief. Like, you can't

1071
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: be talking about Kobe Bryant. There has to be somebody

1072
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: else you're talking about. And it was just and then

1073
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: I looked at Twitter, and Twitter is going crazy, you know.

1074
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: I was just like, Oh, my goodness, who is your

1075
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: favorite player? Growing up? I was a big le Bron fan.

1076
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: So were you anti Kobe? Did you? Because I wasn't.

1077
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: Like I grew up in southern California. He's a little young,

1078
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: he's a little younger than me, and we became friends,

1079
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: but I wasn't really I didn't love the way Kobe played.

1080
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just wasn't a huge I respected him,

1081
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: but he wasn't like one of my guys. What what

1082
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: were you like in terms of when you watch Kobe

1083
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: as a kid growing up in in Louisville and then

1084
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: later in Franklin. Yeah, he was never a guy that

1085
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: I was just like, I loved watching play. I mean

1086
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: I definitely respect him like you did, and I love

1087
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: like the way he how years and how big of

1088
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: a competitive he was. I mean that that definitely I respected,

1089
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: but I never really followed at the name of daling

1090
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: with you like that. Like I was just always just

1091
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: loved the way that Brown played, Um, what was it

1092
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: like to go to the gym to be around the

1093
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: guys like we're in G League at that time where

1094
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: you now when you're like because I was hurt at

1095
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: that point, like I was, I had just gotten hurt

1096
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: in us and out and uh I remember going we

1097
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: were we went, we were in Brooklyn. Were the first

1098
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: time I think I saw the guys afterwards, we were

1099
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: at the n d p A. We were doing they

1100
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: did like a little we had like a little practice

1101
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: and they're having like a Kobe tribute video up there

1102
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: and it was they're having some pretty emotional talks in there.

1103
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: For sure. It was it was a sad day. Yeah, No,

1104
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: it's a it's an a crazy kind of rund the

1105
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: league when and I think because it affected a lot

1106
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: of people different. There are a lot of players, a

1107
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: lot of guys who did love Kobe. But I think everybody,

1108
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: even the guys that weren't Kobe guys as he as

1109
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: he became up, um you know a guy who finished playing.

1110
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: You know, it was people who love the work ethic

1111
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: and the toughness and that they took that part as

1112
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: the you know, the MOMAMNTEP. But and then there's also

1113
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: just the mortality of like NBA players don't die, they

1114
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: just don't. It's not like football players that football players

1115
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: seem to die younger basketball players don't. Yeah, it's it's

1116
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: definitely crazy how how much of an impact those guys have,

1117
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: just not even just like guys like us, like an NBA,

1118
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: but like just everybody. You know, Yeah, it's it's been.

1119
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: It's been everywhere. Um, the the guy who's been the

1120
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: coolest to you on the Wizards as who let's see,

1121
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: I mean Brad Bradman Graham, mean just from when I

1122
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: asked some questions and this and that and Uh, to

1123
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I love talking to jan Mehiti Mehemi.

1124
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: He's he's a big that he actually took me out

1125
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: and bought me some clothes one day. I mean, he's

1126
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 1: a great guy. He's just loves Everybody's always gonna smile

1127
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: on his face. I mean, he's he's been probably the

1128
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: coolest guy to me on the team for sure. Is

1129
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: do you guys, is there a text Is there like

1130
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: a text chain of all the white bench shooters, Like

1131
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: you guys all have each other's numbers, and you guys

1132
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: all like I got got a hundred up today, I

1133
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: got made a thousand a day. Is there is there

1134
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: some sort of is there a brotherhood of white shooters? Well,

1135
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: I haven't made it yet, so I don't know. There

1136
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: may be. Maybe they'll add it to me over here

1137
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: a few years down the line. But I remember I

1138
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: got to Uh, I was watching Corver workout before one

1139
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: of our before we played them in preseason. Awesome, you

1140
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: know what, I just need to go ask him kind

1141
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: of about his regiment. And I went up and asked

1142
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 1: him before our games. He's kind of what he does

1143
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: and how he's made it. How he He gave me

1144
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: about like a ten minute round down what he did.

1145
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: And I mean it meant a lot that he just

1146
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: may have to talk to me at all, but he

1147
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: just took five to ten minutes out of this time

1148
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: just kind of tell me what he does and just

1149
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: give me some advice to them. Meant a lot. Have

1150
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: you ever heard do you know this thing that he does?

1151
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: He does some one crazy workout every summer that like,

1152
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: is he did this? Yeah, next time you see him,

1153
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: you gotta ask him. He did this thing one summer

1154
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: where um his trainers like all right, we're gonna drop

1155
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: a boulder or some sort of big rock, you know,

1156
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: alf of Santa Barbara in the water, and we're gonna

1157
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: take a boat and then we're gonna swim out to

1158
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: this one spot and then dive down and as a

1159
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: team like lift this rock up to the water. And

1160
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: then they just kind of figure out, you know, and

1161
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: then they do all kinds some some extreme every summer,

1162
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: just to mix it up. Yeah, Quarver, that's that's his deal. Like,

1163
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something different every summer to kind of

1164
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: push my body, but do it in a different way.

1165
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 1: I've never heard of. That sounds cool though, definitely. See

1166
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: you need to get that. You need to get on

1167
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: the white guy shooter text chain, and then you would

1168
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: beat you know, then you would know these stories. Then

1169
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: you know the stories for for somebody who hasn't seen

1170
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: Kyle Korver and like, look, you're a great shooter. Right

1171
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: to watch a guy like that work for a game,

1172
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: how impressive? Like try and give somebody who's never seen

1173
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: a great shooter shoot in a in a one on

1174
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: none workout? Like what do you think percentage of shots

1175
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: he makes her had to have been? I mean it

1176
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: looked like the dude never missed and it was off

1177
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: balance threes, it was off of all this. It's just

1178
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: it was just fun to watch and really kind of

1179
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: see like where I could be. Maybe they out of

1180
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: my career. I mean, it's just it's fun to watch

1181
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: for sure. No, it's it's it's crazy ridiculous. Like I

1182
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: remember I played in Russia and I remember like like

1183
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: I walked in, uh, like when you go into practice

1184
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 1: and you just like and yeah, I was obviously wasn't

1185
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: a good shooter, trying to recapture like my shooting confidence whatever,

1186
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: and these guys just and then you know, you watch

1187
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: NBA guys, they just never fucking miss like you guys

1188
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: never miss. I mean, it's it's it's insane. I saw

1189
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: this video. Who was it of, I can't remember. It

1190
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: was you guy shooting after the game. And I don't

1191
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: think people understand how good, how good NBA, how good

1192
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: NBA players are. Um, what is you mentioned at the

1193
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: end of your rook freshman year in college, change your diet,

1194
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: dedicate yourself. Jordan started working with you first time in

1195
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: your life. Gave you know, fast food and try to

1196
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: give up sugar as much as you could. What's going

1197
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: to take you from two way guy to making it

1198
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: too rotation guy? What? What? What do you plan on

1199
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: doing to take that next step? I think really really

1200
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: just sitting down and studying the game. I've never been

1201
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: really that big of a film guy where I actually

1202
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: sat down and study. I think really kind of studying

1203
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: that and studying different guys and and working on kind

1204
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: of um, just being a team defender and working on

1205
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: concepts and balls, screens and that kind of stuff. I

1206
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: think that really could help me because it really when

1207
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: I mess up, it's it's a team defense thing. I'm

1208
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: missing up some sort of a concept. Um. There will

1209
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: be every now and then I'll mess something up like

1210
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: a player or someone which root. I mean, it's not often,

1211
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: but it's mostly on the defensive end that's going to

1212
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: keep me out. Um, whether it be messing up a

1213
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: concept on a ball screen or not being at the

1214
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: right place at the right time. That's really where I'm

1215
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: gonna take my kid to the next level and hopefully stick.

1216
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: If you're getting given nights riding miss shots, if you

1217
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: are going to give advice to a high school kid

1218
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: who's a good player like you were, who's trying to

1219
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: figure out to figure stuff out, Like what do you

1220
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: tell them? I tell him to really figure out what's

1221
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: most important to him. If it's if it's if it's

1222
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: relationships with people, and put everything into that. If it's

1223
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: working on your craft, put everything of that. You can't

1224
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be You're gonna have a very very

1225
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: small circle. If you're super super focused. I'm better in

1226
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: yourself and your craft because I'm telling you what, there's

1227
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: not a lot of people who put up with you

1228
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: being in the gym at all hours, all the time,

1229
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: and um, dealing with the frustrations of of sports and

1230
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: dealing with how how much time you gotta commit to that.

1231
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you're really going to have a small circument,

1232
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: especially like when you have friends you want to go

1233
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: out on Friday Saturday nights and you're waking up the

1234
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 1: next morning to go to work out because you can't

1235
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: go out like you're gonna lose friendships. It's just the

1236
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: way it is. And I tell the advice that I

1237
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: would give is to to find out what's really truly

1238
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: important to you and just work at it as hard

1239
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: as you can and don't stop. Um, this is the

1240
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: most important question how do you maintain your confidence because

1241
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: you know it's you've you've had bad nights, right, you

1242
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: have bad days. Now maybe you're true a point now

1243
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: where you might be kind of past that. But there's

1244
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's even doubt I heard in your

1245
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: in your voice when you're like I get to the

1246
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: I get to you know, the camp before we go

1247
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: to summer les there's twenty three dudes or you know,

1248
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: now I'm Garden. Uh, you know, I'm Guarden. Bradbal one

1249
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: of the top ten players in the NBA, and he's

1250
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: cooking me. How do you process that doubt and not

1251
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: allow it to affect you? I mean, I'm not gonna

1252
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: lie and say that there's never doubt that crosses my mind,

1253
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: because there even now, like there's that I'm gonna slump

1254
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: right now, and it's tough to deal with and I

1255
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: get frustrated, But I just think back to to all

1256
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: the little slumps that I've had and all the work

1257
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: that I've put in to get to this point. And

1258
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: we all go through slumps. It's we once we hit adversity,

1259
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: it's how we deal with that and how we come

1260
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: back from that. And I really try to hang on that,

1261
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: and I try not to look at that future outcome.

1262
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: Like me fighting for a contract, I try not to

1263
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: think of that outcome outcome. I really really try to

1264
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: focus on what can I do today to get better? Um,

1265
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: And if I just focus on that, I mean I

1266
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: I know the amount of work I put in. I

1267
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: have confidence in that. So if I just really try

1268
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: to focus on that, then I can't worry about anything else.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think the outcome on to speak for

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Speaker 1: itself if I just do what I can today. Last

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Speaker 1: thing you mentioned your faith is really important. You went

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Speaker 1: to a small Christian school, you grew up in a

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Speaker 1: part of the country. That's uh that that that faith

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Speaker 1: is important. You're in the NBA and there is a

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Speaker 1: perception or you're in the JE leagueer's perception that, ah,

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01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: like you know, guys aren't aren't into that. How hard

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Speaker 1: is it to live the lifestyle you want to live

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Speaker 1: while competing at this level of basketball. I think it's

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's tough soul. The fact that you

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Speaker 1: have practice Sunday's mornings when usually churches, you travel all

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Speaker 1: the time, and you you have so many temptations that

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Speaker 1: are out there. But um, we have things in place,

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Speaker 1: like we have chapel before the game, and I have,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately have a guy on my team that we every

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Speaker 1: now and then we'll meet and do a Bible study.

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Speaker 1: Is and that, and it's if it's If it's that

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Speaker 1: important to you, then you'll find time to to work

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Speaker 1: on your faith. And and that's something that I've really

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01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: tried to hang onto is then not getting caught up

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Speaker 1: in the lifestyle and and just remembering where I came

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Speaker 1: from and and who I really played for and who

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Speaker 1: really Yeah, I had to put in work to get here,

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Speaker 1: but God blessed me with this talent. I didn't just

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Speaker 1: do it on my own. I really have to hang

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Speaker 1: my hat on that He got me here for a reason.

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Speaker 1: And if I sway from any of that, I mean,

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01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: it could be taken away from me in a second.

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Speaker 1: And so I really, you know, I've been blessed to

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Speaker 1: grow up in a Christian family and blessed to have

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Speaker 1: people around me that have pushed me in my faith.

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Speaker 1: And and so I'm really try not to get caught

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Speaker 1: up in in that sort of lifestyle. And and they

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01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: put things in place they can help you with your

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01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: face face, like chapel before and everything like that. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not as as hard as people may

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01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: seem may think it is, but it's it's um. It's

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01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: something that I tried to consciously every every day improve on.

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, we we I mentioned I was last thing

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01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: I lied. Casey goes from Lipscombe to Belmont. How does

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01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: that sit with you? You know it heard, I guess it.

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01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: I would say it hurt a little bit. I was.

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01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I was shocked, but I was. You know,

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01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: but he spent guy, I don't even know how many

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01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: years there he went there, played there, a coach there,

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Speaker 1: you know what. And all the stuff that he's done

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Speaker 1: for me. I mean, there's so much stuff that nobody

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01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: knows that he's done for me, just supported me and

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01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: helped me through. Give me one, Give me one. This

1319
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: is a great there's a great chance to say thank you,

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01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: give me one. Thing that he's done that people don't

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01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: know about. Just like when when you think you can't

1322
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: make it, he his door is always open. If you

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01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,040
Speaker 1: have any sort of off the court issue that it

1324
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: that you're struggling with, like family wise, or like something

1325
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: in your life that you're struggling with you. You can

1326
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,959
Speaker 1: sit in his office and he'll talk to you about anything.

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01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: And I had issues in my life that I was

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01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: struggling with and he he sat down and he really

1329
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: cares about you as an individual, not just a player,

1330
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: not just somebody that's improved the program. He he allowed

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01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: me to come in and be honest with him. And

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01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: and you know, he's he's he's a man of faith too.

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01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: So he's he's a guy and he's and I'm telling you, man,

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01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: I can't thank him enough for what he's done for me.

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01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: And like it's not just him, I have like the

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01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,439
Speaker 1: assistance too. They they're the exact same way coach Coacherana,

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01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: the Strayman coach easure him. They've been amazing to me

1338
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: as well and prayed for me and helped me through

1339
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: a lot of tough times in my life. So I mean,

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01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: all all four of them, and I can't thank them enough. Well, listen, Uh,

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01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: you got a fan in me. I was a fan

1342
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: from the second I read things about you changing your

1343
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: diet and work out and watching you grow as a player. Uh.

1344
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: And now you know, when you play in the NBA,

1345
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: you're playing for a guy who I grew up idolizing

1346
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: in Scottie, which is pretty pretty amazing. You should, you should,

1347
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: honestly should download the pod that I have. I have

1348
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: like a two part pot with him. It's like an

1349
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: hour and a half or whatever. He's got an amazing Oh,

1350
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,959
Speaker 1: he's an amazing, amazing dude. UM. And we talked about

1351
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: you a little bit, uh this summer when he was back.

1352
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: When we're actually doing yoga together. UM. But in the meantime, UM,

1353
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: you'll be surprised, like, there there's gonna be. There's You'll have.

1354
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: You have fans everywhere, from guys that watched you in

1355
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: the garden last year to NC State to know your

1356
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: story when you played in the n c A tournament

1357
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: and now that you've made it so whatever slump you're

1358
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: in shooting wise, the next one is going in. I

1359
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: can't wait to see you play some more. I appreciate that.

1360
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: It means a lot. Hey, listen, it is great catching up.

1361
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule. Last

1362
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,479
Speaker 1: thing I didn't get I didn't get to talk about

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01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: how um and think and appreciate how how much my

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01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: family has been there for me to get me to

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01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: this point as well. And they're They're my rock for sure,

1366
01:05:58,560 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: and they helped me get to this point. So I

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01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: can't think like this, here's the here's a question. This

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01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: is this and I'm I'm a I'm a dad now right,

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01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,919
Speaker 1: I got a ten year olds? Okay, so how should

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01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: I how should I be? Like? How do you how

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01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: do you do it? How do you push? Because my

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01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: dad was a former coach, and my dad did he

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01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: didn't know any other way. He just pushed. He just

1374
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: getting the gym, you know, just figure it out, you know,

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01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: he was and and probably it ended up killing my

1376
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: shooting because he was constantly trying to fix it and

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01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: tinker with things, you know, having lived it from the

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01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: other side. What you mentioned, how supportive your family is.

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Speaker 1: What's the best way to be? Let me put it

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Speaker 1: this way, my you know, I've I was growing up

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01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: through high school. You know, you see these parents that

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01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: are super involved and like yo, and talked to the

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01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: coach and be like, why don't you playing my son? This?

1384
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: This and that? And it rubs me the wrong way.

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01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: And I am so thankful that I a parents that

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01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: kind of just sat in the stands and we're quiet

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01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: and watched and whenever I had a bad game, they

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01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: were there for me. If I had a good game,

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01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: they were there for me and just supported me and

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01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: never told me. Weren't sitting there coach, I mean after

1391
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: the game and be like you could do this and

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01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: that better. Like I can't tell you how how important

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01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: it was for me growing up that they were the

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01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: quiet parents in the stands. They weren't making a fool

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01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: of themselves to talk to the coach, making you look

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01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: like an idiot, being like, why aren't you playing my

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01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: son more. I'm telling you that if you navigated that way,

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01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: then it ain't gonna work out for your son. I

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Speaker 1: know that way. Yeah, my thing is my thing now.

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Speaker 1: But I try to do is I try and pick

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01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: out one or two things he does well that he

1402
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: may not have realized that I saw. You know, like

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Speaker 1: we've been we've been working on getting in the lane

1404
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: and jump stopping and and you know, and making a

1405
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: play and not not just just going, you know, putting

1406
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: your head down, just going. And you know, he drove

1407
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: in last game, and all of a sudden, there's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's little, and he's in fifth grade. He's playing

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Speaker 1: against sixth graders that are like holdback. So he's like

1410
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Speaker 1: two years younger and he's tiny. Anyway, he drove in

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Speaker 1: there and he you know, he pivoted and made a

1412
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: pass out of it and kid made a bucket, and

1413
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: you know how kids are. Like, he wanted me to

1414
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: talk about his jump shots he made. I was like,

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01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: you know what, the best thing he did was you

1416
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: got in there, you jump stop. So I've as I've

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01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: tried to be. I I struggle. I probably never be

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01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: the fan in the stands. It doesn't say anything, but

1419
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: I do want to be supportive. And obviously you wouldn't

1420
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: be where you are unless you had had that group

1421
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: behind you, you know, for sure? For sure? All right,

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01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: brother'll get I can't. I can't imagine. Well more more

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Speaker 1: to come, and thanks so much for joining us. We'll

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Speaker 1: catch up soon. Yeah, thank you for having me. Be

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01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,040
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