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Speaker 1: R and B Money.

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Speaker 2: We are.

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Speaker 3: Than we are the authority on all things R and B.

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Speaker 1: Lady, you tell my name is Tank Time.

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Speaker 3: Oh and this is the rmy Money podcast, the authority

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Speaker 3: on all things R and B.

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Speaker 4: So soul ful, really saying that ship, Alren, where.

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Speaker 1: Are you singing from?

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Speaker 3: You felt to be seen from the dark of your

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Speaker 3: motherfucking soul.

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Speaker 1: And we got one in the building and.

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Speaker 3: I see her doing for thirty nights early makes the noise.

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Speaker 1: Seek her do it? Hello, you got that ship on

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Speaker 1: the day. Thank you, you got that ship on the

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Speaker 1: day I saw you get out of the concert. That's

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Speaker 1: what That's what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have to come see y'all all lives.

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Speaker 3: When we see you, a star is in the building.

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Speaker 5: That's Rick James and be like, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Approved, I'm good, How y'all We're good good.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here, I really am.

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Speaker 6: I have been watching y'all and I'm so proud of

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Speaker 6: what y'all have created.

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Speaker 2: So I'm glad to be here. Thank y'all for having me.

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Speaker 3: Of course, first of all, let's just let's just get

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Speaker 3: excited for this, you know, for the Southern you know,

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Speaker 3: the Southern excellence. That you bring into the park. You know,

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Speaker 3: it sounds so good, don't you agree?

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Speaker 4: Which is crazy because I just found out. I'm thinking

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Speaker 4: she from the South the whole time.

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Speaker 5: Leila is from LA and raised.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, put the South in the south central for shots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, born and raised, Yes, indeed.

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Speaker 1: So well, so how did you do that?

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Speaker 2: How do what? But see, I don't I don't know

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Speaker 2: what I'll do.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I say that I was telling him earlier.

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Speaker 6: My family is originally from the South, so I was

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Speaker 6: the first of that that generation to be born here.

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Speaker 6: Everybody else from the South. So my parents came here

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Speaker 6: and they had me, that's all. And I was raised

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Speaker 6: out here, born and raised. But my family they Texans.

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Speaker 3: So so so in terms of their dialect, and now

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Speaker 3: they are they still I think has its own thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, it's definitely like.

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Speaker 6: Well, it depends on where you are, and we're parts

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Speaker 3: I've never heard this. I've never heard anyone from l

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Speaker 3: It is right your family because I think, like I'll

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Speaker 3: call myself an outsider of LA for now, you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I've been here twenty four years. But

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Speaker 3: my when I thought about LA, I thought everybody talked.

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Speaker 1: Like ice cube. You know what I'm saying. I think

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Speaker 6: Well, you know how like when you're in New York,

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Speaker 2: A West Indian family, like.

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Speaker 3: You still have the accent there you go.

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Speaker 6: So it's a little bit of that because I know

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Speaker 6: people that are from here that like, yeah, they.

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Speaker 6: From Alabama, but they you know, they live here with

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Speaker 3: Them because their household.

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Speaker 3: Because when I'm to I moved to Maryland from Milwaukee.

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Speaker 3: And they got their own thy Shaddy and Slim and

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Speaker 6: That's interesting for me is that I didn't think that

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Speaker 6: You when you grow up in a certain environment, you

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Speaker 2: So but yeah, it's still there, all the twangs, it's twins.

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Speaker 2: This back to? I would say my parents.

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Speaker 2: And so it was just my environment.

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Speaker 3: Again, you think everybody's harmonizing it.

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Speaker 2: Then you leave like, no, everybody ain't doing that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, since you're I think we always

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Speaker 2: I think yeah a few years ago.

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Speaker 6: again my parents and my family, when you have people

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Speaker 2: So proud of you.

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Speaker 3: I was listening to your elbow.

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Speaker 6: And I'm like, man, I flicked that out a lot

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Speaker 6: Saying, well, not even just that, it's just that I

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Speaker 6: the blues and that's send me too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, but I you know, when you.

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Speaker 6: You know, when I started doing this because I needed

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Speaker 6: So you gotta be able to, you know, lean on

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Speaker 2: Than all of this.

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Speaker 3: You got to have a foundation.

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Speaker 6: So I it's I don't necessarily make that my my

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Speaker 6: of the gospel.

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Speaker 1: You are of the gospel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, so do you when you're when you're I

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Speaker 3: blues is what I do. Do you have an outlet

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Speaker 3: for that at a young age, because you know most

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Speaker 6: Well again, Yeah, I do have an outlet because we

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Speaker 6: listen to gospel, but in my household we also listen

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Speaker 6: Prince and you talk about ice Cube, like, I heard everything.

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Speaker 6: So it wasn't just one genre of music for me.

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Speaker 2: I heard a lot of music.

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Speaker 6: And that's what I'm grateful for because it allowed me

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Speaker 6: I ain't got it. I don't wish of no devils

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Speaker 2: I do but I love the blues.

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Speaker 3: And I love.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like you.

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Speaker 6: Sam Cook was alive, he would say the same. If

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Speaker 6: All the souls singers, they came out of the church.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was different.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a game in junior choir.

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Speaker 3: It's they got.

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Speaker 2: That all all.

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Speaker 1: I'm going nowhere?

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Speaker 3: When do you When do you get an opportunity that's different,

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Speaker 3: I am going to be a pro at this thing

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Speaker 6: That happens when your English teacher in high school tells

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Speaker 2: Since you want to keep disrupting.

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Speaker 5: So you're disrupting the class by singing, yeah.

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Speaker 6: Singing, rapping, just being a you know, knucklehead class clown.

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Speaker 2: You know we just you boxing?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like English? Whatever are you supposed to be working

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Speaker 6: But you know, so we was back here, you know, stiphering.

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Speaker 6: I'm like okay. And so that's how it kind of

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Speaker 5: Teacher just happened to know someone with a studio.

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Speaker 2: He was a producer. The teacher was the producer.

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Speaker 6: The teacher was an English English teacher, but teach English, bro, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I know.

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Speaker 5: In four doctor Derell, doctor man, here's that doctor b.

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Speaker 3: These kids think it's sweet. I think kids always thought

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Speaker 3: definitely thought it was sweet.

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Speaker 2: I was, yeah, come on dog. They're a little different though.

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Speaker 4: But it's because, in my opinion, it's not as many

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Speaker 2: I got I got you there, right. I agree with that,

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Speaker 2: because are now rappers niggas don't They definitely don't have

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Speaker 5: Niggas that should be teachers or rappers.

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Speaker 3: Now it's like, bro, you just go teach, bro, because

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Speaker 3: we as you say that. I know the in my

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Speaker 4: I got a teacher that it's crazy enough. He was

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Speaker 4: at my high school, Ron Clark, my guy, yeah you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean, And he would tell me like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I know, I know, I know, I know, you don't

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Speaker 4: want to be here. You know what I mean, I

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Speaker 4: know you and got some cool shit going on, but

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Speaker 3: He cares one.

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Speaker 4: But then he also was able to identify yeah, because

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Speaker 4: he was a producer and He was like, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what, yeah, I can help her, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: More than anybody else could have helped you in any.

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Speaker 3: Of this in school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because up to that point I really enjoyed singing.

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Speaker 6: I was doing all the showcases and the talent shows

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Speaker 6: also for me, I was like focused. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 6: I want to go to college, and you know, I

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Speaker 6: I want to do all those things. So you kind

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Speaker 6: of think you can't do all of the above. You

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Speaker 6: feel like you can only do one, which is not true.

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Speaker 6: But at that time that was my mindset, you know.

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Speaker 6: And so that was the first time of me realizing that, yeah,

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Speaker 6: you can actually make money, have a career as well

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Speaker 6: as you know, pursue your education.

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Speaker 5: Did you end up going to college? Come on, yeah,

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Speaker 5: you know what did you finish?

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Speaker 2: I did?

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Speaker 3: I didn't go. He didn't finish, you know. He just.

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Speaker 5: Celebrate people though. First of all, you didn't finish, first

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Speaker 5: of all, on tour.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, What I did was I went into

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Speaker 1: So I completely skating.

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Speaker 3: I completed the studies in the field, which earned me,

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Speaker 3: which earned which earned me.

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Speaker 1: I doctor it.

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Speaker 2: In music, Jesus the doctor.

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Speaker 1: That's the doctor, doctor bad.

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Speaker 3: I called him doctor. You see, I did call him

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Speaker 4: You go use the motherfucking at some point, then, if

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Speaker 4: you're gonna have it.

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Speaker 1: Go use it. So are you?

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Speaker 3: Are you? Once you hear yourself in the studio and

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Speaker 3: in its own and of course you have education, all

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Speaker 3: these things on your mind. Do you get to a

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Speaker 6: Well, no, I was brokens I don't know what, but

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Speaker 6: I was definitely still on the mission to make the money.

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Speaker 2: So that's when I really started.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Well, I got to get a demo together, I

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Speaker 6: got to shot that, I got to you know, get discovered.

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Speaker 6: So let me go perform at this club, let me

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Speaker 6: go perform in this showcase. Let me go try to

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Speaker 6: be at this place where this executive.

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Speaker 2: Is going to be.

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Speaker 6: And this is all during college, This is all doing college.

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Speaker 6: So it was classes in the morning, studios in the evening,

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Speaker 6: whatever you.

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Speaker 2: Can get in and just you know, let me sang

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're hitting all the open mics, all the open mics. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This was a mid late nineties, early two thousands.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Do you do you feel like when you look back on,

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Speaker 4: you know, this whole process of you going to open

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Speaker 2: At that time, I feel like it was the only

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Speaker 4: Yes, not the right thing, but the only thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because you didn't you didn't have any other ends.

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Speaker 2: No, like there's no script to this sin.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you can buy books all day how to

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Speaker 2: It you know, it was you just learning as.

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Speaker 6: You go, and you know, it wasn't like I had

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Speaker 6: no one, no mentors in my family, nobody that had

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Speaker 6: made it as an artist or anything like that to say, yeah, go,

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Speaker 6: I know this person, let me make this call for you, Like,

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Speaker 6: not even.

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Speaker 4: Coming from la like nobody that knew somebody that was

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Speaker 4: at a label.

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Speaker 2: Nothing, No, like.

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Speaker 6: You know people, but everybody always been on that like

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean. It's always it's always been that

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Speaker 6: Ain't nothing new like so it's kind of like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna call you. I'm gonna tell so and so

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Speaker 6: to call you know, so it's like, no, you you

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Speaker 6: getting where you fit in the best way you can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So I remember, you know, taking my demo and going

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Speaker 6: up to certain labels and sneaking in and putting it

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Speaker 6: under their door, sliding my demo under they door, just

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Speaker 6: hoping they listen to it, just on something like you

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Speaker 6: know what I mean, and calling up and saying, hey,

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Speaker 6: there's gonna be a show tonight, you should come see, pretending.

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Speaker 2: To be my own PR person. Yeah, come see this.

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Speaker 1: Artist way before Insta.

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Speaker 2: Because you have to be on like that.

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Speaker 6: Who else you had, Like we was literally and I

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Speaker 6: would print out, you know, take a picture, you know

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Speaker 6: what I mean. We take our own little pictures, go

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Speaker 6: photocopy it thet Kinko's and then fold it up and

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Speaker 6: put it in a little fake city thing.

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Speaker 2: And that's your cover.

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Speaker 6: I was not I was doing a little crazy, you

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Speaker 6: know what I mean, whatever, and any of the quality.

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Speaker 2: Was terrible, but that's I was just on my hustle.

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Speaker 3: My mama. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: And when does one of those demost materialize?

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Speaker 6: So it materialized, I would say nineteen ninety nine Rough

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Speaker 6: Nation Records, Chris Schwartz, he had that it was formerly rough.

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Speaker 2: House and they had just come off.

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Speaker 6: Of like the whole Foujie success and Lauryn Hill, and so,

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Speaker 6: you know, he had started a rough Nation with Warner

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Speaker 6: Brothers and somebody told him about this this girl me whatever, yeah,

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Speaker 6: and then I and I can So I got went

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444
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Speaker 6: they did a deal off top. Yeah, and it was

445
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 6: like you know me, I'm like, yeah, I'm about to

446
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 6: blow up, like it was about to happen, you know

447
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 6: what I mean. These people just made Lauryn Hill big,

448
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 6: and the fogie is like, this is right, don't can't?

449
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 2: Yeah thought no, I mean, but that's the that's the

450
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 2: you know, that's how.

451
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 6: It is the industry that you never know how it's

452
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 6: not always what you might think you're gonna be, but

453
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 6: it's gonna be what it's gonna be, and you just

454
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 6: gotta it's the start, and you make you just you

455
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 6: know the old saying, if you got lemons, you just

456
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 6: make lemonade.

457
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: And so did you move to I didn't move.

458
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 6: To Philly, but I did move to the East Coast, Okay,

459
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 6: And I was out there for a minute.

460
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 5: And you did your first project on the East Coast?

461
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 6: Yes, I worked on my first project that came out

462
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 6: on Warner Brothers. Now we this was like, like I said,

463
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety nine, two thousand, but the album didn't drop

464
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 6: into two thousand and five because it was like on

465
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 6: the shelf.

466
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 5: It was on a shelf for five or six years.

467
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

468
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, same music.

469
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: Though, same music.

470
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 6: So when that record, my first single I think it

471
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 6: was music, actually came out that Yeah, it was like

472
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 6: we was owned to something else. It was old by

473
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 6: that time to me. But yeah, it didn't come out

474
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 6: till like two thousand and five.

475
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 3: But were you still signed to the same label.

476
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: I was on Warner Brothers at the same time. Yeah.

477
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: I was just kind of floating around. Yeah, one of

478
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: these days y'all can put my record out.

479
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 4: So what are you doing this? Because people don't understand

480
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 4: that process. Not all people, you know what I mean,

481
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 4: especially people who really want to get into this thing,

482
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 4: because just like you said, you know you can you know,

483
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 4: people read books, people different things, And now we feel

484
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 4: like we are a.

485
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 3: Visual book with our podcast.

486
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 4: It's it's, you know, in an audiobook for people who

487
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 4: listen to it, and we want to give that information

488
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 4: and we want to give those experiences. Can you give

489
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 4: us a little insight of being signed to a label

490
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 4: for five years and it not coming out yet?

491
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 2: That was hard?

492
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 5: Like what do you do during that time?

493
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 6: Live as best as you can and try to maintain

494
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 6: sanity and don't give up on your dream and continue

495
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 6: to believe in yourself and keep pursuing it.

496
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: I kept doing shows.

497
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 3: I was about to say, what are you doing for money?

498
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 2: I was still on the road and I was working.

499
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: A job.

500
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: I got a job.

501
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

502
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: I was selling real estate. Yeah.

503
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: And I think that's the part that you said a lot,

504
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 3: like what are you going to do to support the

505
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: dream until the dream can support you? Yeah?

506
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 5: People think people think a record deal is hitting a lottery,

507
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 5: and it's not.

508
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 3: It's not the hit record, the hit record.

509
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: It's hitting the lottery because then you can go and

510
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 4: perform that thing and make you some money off of

511
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 4: it doing something. But if just having a record deal

512
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 4: and one label believing in it will not change everything.

513
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 5: You need that record.

514
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 4: So you're on the label, you're selling real estate, and

515
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 4: you're doing shows and like you said, you're trying to

516
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 4: keep your sanity going.

517
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: The album finally comes out, finally.

518
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 4: Five six years later, dude, for your process at that point,

519
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 4: is it immediately to the road or like where you're

520
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 4: now performing, where you're getting booked as Leader James the

521
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 4: recording artist that sign with a single out.

522
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I started doing a I was on the road

523
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 6: because I actually was privy to go out on the

524
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 6: road even before it came out. I was able to

525
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 6: open for other artists and so that was like a

526
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 6: good you know start for me too, And so by

527
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 6: the time the actual single came out, it was an

528
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 6: easy way for me to you know, be connected to

529
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 6: other artists again and be booked with them. So I

530
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 6: went overseas and that was great because the reception to

531
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 6: artists at that time, particularly soul singers and soul artists

532
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 6: was just like out of this world, like you know

533
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 6: what I mean, and when you coming out out the

534
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 6: gating going over there and they're literally throwing out feeling like.

535
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 2: The red carpet.

536
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 6: You're like, God, Lee, this is amazing because you know

537
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 6: it would light that in the States, so that can

538
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 6: spoil you too, But I got so I got spoiled,

539
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 6: and I really enjoy being out on the road because

540
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 6: that was like, you know, that was school, that was school.

541
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: That was real for me.

542
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 6: Seeing the people's reaction and just just really experiencing tour life.

543
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: That was fun.

544
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 6: And then that's when you really decide if you want

545
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 6: to continue to do it real, you know what I mean.

546
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 6: And then so when I'm back here in the States,

547
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 6: it's like, yeah, I can do this, but it's worth yeah.

548
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Because also for me, I.

549
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 6: It moved from being about me to being about the people.

550
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 6: And when I started seeing people's reaction and how they

551
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 6: were responding to what it is that I do, I

552
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 6: was like, this is bigger than me, and maybe this

553
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 6: is my calling, this is why I've gone through what

554
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 6: I've gone through, And you know, you know, God might

555
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 6: just be using me in this manner because I just

556
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 6: had this person come up to me after the show

557
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 6: said that they were gonna kill themselves before they came

558
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 6: to my show, but they decided that they want to

559
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 6: live because of a song I sang in my show.

560
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

561
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 6: And that kind of stuff is like deep, you mean

562
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 6: telling me you was about to commit suicide tonight and

563
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 6: this was the last concert you wanted to attend, and

564
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 6: now you feel like you can continue on. Like that's heavy,

565
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 6: and it makes you feel like, yeah, let me do

566
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 6: this for the people.

567
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: It ain't even about the money no more.

568
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 6: It's like and I love doing it then, but I

569
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 6: love doing it because it makes y'all feel good.

570
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: And so going back to my church room.

571
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 6: It's like, if I could help one body, then my

572
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 6: job is done.

573
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: It ain't in vain.

574
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 6: And that was always what I used to pray when

575
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 6: I was younger, like Lord, I just don't want my

576
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 6: life to be in vain, Like I just don' want

577
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 6: to like before I go, like, I just want to

578
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 6: help somebody. I don't want it to be in vain.

579
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 6: So you know, that's when I started to realize. I said, well, shoot,

580
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 6: maybe this is how mm hmm.

581
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: And I'm still you know, still a journey, but you

582
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: know that was it never stops.

583
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 6: But that was when I started to realize that I

584
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 6: could keep going because the business will, you know, discourage

585
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 6: you at times. You know, when you have those moments

586
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 6: where it's quiet, ain't nothing happening, and you're like, let

587
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 6: me go do something else. But when you see people

588
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 6: you know and their energy, it makes you. It puts

589
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 6: the battery in your back.

590
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 3: This first album that drops, yeah, does it go crazy

591
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: for you or does it just establish you? It establishes

592
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: me in this in this new place.

593
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think it went crazy because like, yeah, no,

594
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 6: it did. It did what it was going to do

595
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 6: at that time for me, and it introduced me to

596
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 6: the guys, to the industry.

597
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: It casted some attention.

598
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 6: I had some great producers on it at the time, Raphaelsa,

599
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 6: de wy Cleft, Kanye West talk about it, Chucky Thompson.

600
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: And I had some you know, James Poyser, I had some.

601
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 6: Really great producers, touch of jazz, and so in the beginning,

602
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 6: it was it was definitely like this.

603
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: Is dope, but like you said, it was school for you.

604
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 6: It was school, yeah, yeah, but it's also the other

605
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 6: side of the gang to the music business.

606
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: In the business, you know, got to be in business.

607
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it wasn't always good business, but always in

608
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 6: your favor.

609
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: There you go.

610
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: I think a lot of times it's like you know,

611
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: those those first albums or those moments where it's like

612
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: it may not feel like it's it's it's the success

613
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: we want, but it kind of unravels in a in

614
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: a weird way to be a different kind of blessed opportunity,

615
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: because what happens is that now you're in. Now you're

616
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: actually in the game, and it gives you opportunity to

617
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: get to your bread and butter, which is getting on

618
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: that stage. And by you, by you having an album out,

619
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: by you having a single on the radio, you're able

620
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: to get on shows and be aligned with people of

621
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 3: that caliber of your level, and you're able to, you know,

622
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: sometimes kick some ass, kick some ass. You know, people

623
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: are like this that gets you. Yeah, you didn't kick

624
00:32:52,480 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: one too many assing.

625
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: Doing this to me.

626
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: Because he's like, that's because for us, Like you know,

627
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: I used to I used to tell my ag all

628
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: the time, I said, listen, all of this that we're

629
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: going through business wise, I get it. I just need

630
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: to get to the stage. You get me to the stage,

631
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 3: I'll take care of the rest. Just get me on

632
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: that motherfucking stage. You get different, It'll get a promise

633
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: you will all all is right with the world.

634
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: I've seen it with my own eyes.

635
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 6: I was that was one of the best funniest tours.

636
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, every night, every night, not like listen

637
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 6: no shain't no lie. I was a tank fan prior,

638
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 6: but after the tour I became a fan fan for

639
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 6: the person because I was like.

640
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: He he's a good dude. That's rare too, when you're

641
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: in this game.

642
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 6: Sometimes when you tour other artists like you could be offended,

643
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 6: and after you do a show or run with him, you're.

644
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 3: Like, oh.

645
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 6: Ya, like it's disappointing, sad, it can be disappointing.

646
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: It was not that. It was not that with you.

647
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 6: And we were holding our breath because everybody was like, my.

648
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: Gosh, I love and we were like, you want to

649
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: just keep it like that. And it was one night you.

650
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 6: Came to the dressing room and I was just like, please,

651
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 6: don't be on that star ship, don't be on that side.

652
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 6: And he was so down earth, so real, you were

653
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 6: so such a gentleman and so and like after that,

654
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 6: I was like, no, I'm a fan like he could

655
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 6: put out whatever, I'm always going to support and like.

656
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: And that's what.

657
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 6: It's been like, period like period, because there's so many

658
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 6: talented people in this industry. But sometimes when let me

659
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 6: be yeah, I say that.

660
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: You just don't you.

661
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: You are free here.

662
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 6: Because every like it's just it's so dope to be nice.

663
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 6: Well it's like it's like it's dope to be dope,

664
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 6: but it's doper to be a.

665
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: Good nice person.

666
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 6: Like may Angelo said, people will remember how you made

667
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 6: them feel. I remember how you made us. You made

668
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 6: us feel comfortable, made us feel like you know what

669
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 6: I mean, like.

670
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: We're good, Like you were out there together.

671
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: There you go, and I never got that.

672
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 3: So I needed you too. I needed you to feel

673
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: really good about being You do your motherfucking thing.

674
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 2: But do you understand everybody don't do.

675
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: That because everybody, I won't say everybody, but some people

676
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: some people. For some people, it's just about them and

677
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 3: anything taking away from that is intimidating in a sense, right,

678
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: And us saying we should go, we should take her,

679
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: us saying that was was for us getting back to

680
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 3: the people because we want the best show, right Yeah,

681
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: And that's how that came. We want the best show.

682
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: She gonna go crazy, We need her to Yeah, go

683
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: get them.

684
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: It was a time.

685
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 6: It was a time, and the chemistry was amazing, all

686
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 6: the artists backstage, on stage, and that's important. And again

687
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 6: that's what I remember. I remember the comfort, and that

688
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 6: goes a long way because it's not as common as

689
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 6: people would like to think. So when you come across

690
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 6: that camaraderie with other artists, it's just such a blessing

691
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 6: in it, and it's like, damn, that's dope, because some

692
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 6: people are just not that they jerked, you know, they rude.

693
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: This industry kind of breads it, though. The industry kind

694
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: of makes, kind of creates this idea that in order

695
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 3: to be in it, you have to be a certain way.

696
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: And I don't understand that.

697
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 6: I can't relate to that, none of that, Like what

698
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 6: you see is what you're.

699
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: Going to need.

700
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 4: But the only way we the only way we change

701
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 4: it is to change it and to approach it differently.

702
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 4: Then then it's always been you know what I mean,

703
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 4: instead of just subscribing to that like, oh well that's

704
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: just the way it is, don't You.

705
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: Don't have to be that way.

706
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 6: And I think if wenlearned nothing else, we should be

707
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 6: learning in these days and times that you can be

708
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 6: humbled very easily in this life, very fast, and you

709
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 6: can't take none.

710
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: Of this wishes. So be nice to people.

711
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 6: Do the right thing, be good, be kind, you know

712
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 6: what I mean, Be honest, stand on your word, and

713
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 6: that's it. Like just be of integrity, like you ain't

714
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 6: got you ain't got to like everything and everybody. But

715
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 6: you also don't got to be disrespectful. You don't gotta

716
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 6: be nasty and rude.

717
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: It's just just you know, just live.

718
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 6: And for me, I think that's where you know, the

719
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 6: grounding with my family comes in, because they like that

720
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 6: ain't like nothing is like impressive in it that like

721
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 6: you know that this is just temporary, so you can't

722
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 6: get caught up in all of this, like it's cute

723
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 6: and it's cool, but don't think more of yourself than

724
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 6: what this is, because it's something even greater and bigger

725
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 6: than all of this.

726
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: So just be just be kind, be humble, be humble,

727
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: be cool. It's room for everybody.

728
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 6: We live in space, Like there's so much space we

729
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 6: live in space, Like it's the room for everybody.

730
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 5: And if they continue to be disrespectful.

731
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 4: There's space and opportunity outside.

732
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 6: But I mean it's like we look the metaphor when

733
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 6: you look into this skuy on a great night, clear night,

734
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 6: it's multiple stars.

735
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 3: They all shiny.

736
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 6: What you're tripping off of you ain't gonna ever dim

737
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 6: no other stars like you dim your own light trying

738
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 6: to dim a light another style. You see what I'm saying.

739
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 6: So I just feel like, just just be easy and

740
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 6: be cool, be kind, because you never know when something

741
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 6: gonna come back around.

742
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: You never know.

743
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 4: Hopefully we're hopefully we're giving some insight into that yes

744
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 4: on this show, and that people that are watching the

745
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 4: show can take from that, because I'm sure there are

746
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 4: artists that are coming up that watch us and watch

747
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 4: the guests that we have on here and watchhoud Little

748
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 4: James tell you you don't have to dim someone else's life.

749
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 4: So when they get their opportunity, I hope that they

750
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 4: remember you.

751
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 2: Said that I love everybody? How about that?

752
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: Why not?

753
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: Why not?

754
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: Why not? That's more fun that way, It's more fun

755
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 3: to have fun. I don't like I don't like for

756
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: no weird energy, you know, I don't like it afford

757
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 3: to be nowhere. I'll break the ice myself. I cracked

758
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: the byt who need a beverage? Like, I'm let's get

759
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: to it. How y'all doing over there?

760
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: Man?

761
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: Where y'all from?

762
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: Shit? Me too? Like them?

763
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: Listen and he ain't lying.

764
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 6: I've seen him my own eyes ain't lying. That's how

765
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 6: I'm telling you. Everybody ain't on that.

766
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: So, yes, it's true. It's true.

767
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: Leland take us from first album took five years to

768
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 3: come out. You're not happy about that?

769
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 8: Is? Is?

770
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: Are you?

771
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: Are you discouraged at any point because you don't feel like.

772
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: You got you you got.

773
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 3: Your just do in terms of your setup and your

774
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: timing and the things that you felt like you deserved

775
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: with the type of project that you made, with the

776
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: type of people and ammunition you had on there, I

777
00:40:58,719 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: mean the Human Cardinals.

778
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I was discouraged.

779
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I didn't let that discouragement stop. Yeah, it

780
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 6: motivated me. It made me even more hungry. It's like

781
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 6: that I had attire came out even more. It was

782
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 6: I went into more of a beast mode in that

783
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 6: like I, like you said, I you know when I'm

784
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 6: on that stage, do I? So it just was more

785
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 6: of that because you feel like, you know, oh you

786
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 6: don't believe I'm finna. I'm finna make you believe. Oh yeah, no,

787
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 6: I'm finna make you know you thought you knew.

788
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: You You know what I'm saying.

789
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 6: That's what it was for me at that time, Like

790
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 6: I wasn't going to my mother said a change is

791
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 6: gonna come. That's why we named the album A Change

792
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 6: is Gonna Come. Because I called her one night. I

793
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 6: was like, ma, like they just don't want to put

794
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 6: the record out, like I don't know what's happening.

795
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: And she was like, you you know, a change gonna come.

796
00:41:59,400 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: Go listen to.

797
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 6: You know, change gonna come, Things gonna everything. And so

798
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 6: if you listen to my first album, that's the theme.

799
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 6: Like I had to believe that a change would come.

800
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 6: And so that was also my mother's one of her

801
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 6: favorite songs. So I re recorded that song Paie imised

802
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 6: to him, named the album change Gonna Come, and got

803
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 6: myself through that period too. So that's what I held

804
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 6: on too, that a change would come.

805
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: Minister to yourself. Sometimes you gotta do it.

806
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: Sometimes you gotta do it. That's what it was.

807
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: And what was the move after that?

808
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 6: So to move after that, again, I was on the road,

809
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 6: and then I actually ended up getting signed by another

810
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 6: label and I did another project. I went to Stax Records,

811
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 6: and that was like a fun time for a second,

812
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 6: and then I eventually I've been independent since.

813
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: Oh you've been independent since?

814
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, since since twenty twelve, twenty eleven.

815
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: Oh you been doing this?

816
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the last few records been independent.

817
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 5: So you catch your first hit record independently.

818
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: Fall for You, Far for You?

819
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 9: Yeah?

820
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah you call.

821
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 5: That record as an indie record though, Yeah, that's great.

822
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what.

823
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: What's called.

824
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: Head Records?

825
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: Looky god?

826
00:43:50,040 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, what you got over there? It's Leela James. You've

827
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: come to a very special segment in our show. I

828
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 3: tell you what it is with the people. They want

829
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 3: some information from you.

830
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 7: M h.

831
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 3: And all the songs you sang and heard, they're not.

832
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: Gonna let you get by.

833
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

834
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: Without letting them know.

835
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: You're where.

836
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 7: Five your top five, time five, your top five?

837
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 8: Easy?

838
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: Now? What else a song we got to know? Did

839
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: you go?

840
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 2: Okay?

841
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: You got that sould and we will go.

842
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, okay, I have myself fat.

843
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: So I gotta love it.

844
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: Oh to Fat R and B singers.

845
00:45:53,080 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: Okay five, So for me, R and B is rhythmic.

846
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: And nobody, come on you start.

847
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna start with yes, Marvin Gaye, Steven Wonder, Yeah,

848
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: Mica Jackson.

849
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: No, no, no Againca Jackson.

850
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: That's not Michael No, that's my that's my R and

851
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 2: B sayers. I'm gonna give it to Whinny now because

852
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: I know they always say she did pop but the

853
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: voice boys, and I can't leave out Patty.

854
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 3: Yes, Hey, listen, when Patty was saying that somewhere over

855
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 3: the rainbow, you talk about my grandmama cutting up, cutting up.

856
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 3: When Patty saying that, yeah, I'm gonna be losing her mind.

857
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: And then go to church and do all the moons,

858
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: all the Patty moons. Yes. Top five R and B.

859
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 6: Songs, R and B songs. What's going on? Uh, there's

860
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 6: this lady in my life. I love that song, Luther,

861
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 6: you did have that great if only for one night.

862
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: Prince has a song called She's Always in My Head.

863
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 6: It ain't an R and B, but I love it

864
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 6: and I love if I was your girlfriend?

865
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: By Prince? How many is that?

866
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: I keep going, keep going, that's fire.

867
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: But for Prince. But let's make a voltron.

868
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: You're a super R and B artist, a vulture on

869
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: a super you're putting together a super R and B artist.

870
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: I want to know where you're going to get the

871
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: vocal from the performance style, the styling of the artists,

872
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 3: and the passion of the artists. If you had one

873
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: vocal to use for your super R and B artist,

874
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: what vocal are you using?

875
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: Oh?

876
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 6: Can I go back to nobody I mentioned absolutely Michael

877
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 6: mm hmmm, Michael mm hmm.

878
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: Anything especially early.

879
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: Sing anything, yes, sing anything well way before the tune. Yeah, yeah,

880
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 3: performance style.

881
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: On stage.

882
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: James Brown.

883
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: Originator, So Michael got it from James was a monster

884
00:48:54,719 --> 00:49:00,479
Speaker 3: on stage. He's a super monster. You're talking about sweating, Yeah,

885
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: for real, styling, the trip of the artist. Prince, which

886
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: which which Prince whole, Prince.

887
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: Just so prope Prince Prince. Yeah he was, he was

888
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 2: his confident bowl.

889
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 3: Ruffles, ruffles, ruffles everywhere, boots.

890
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he could he still.

891
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: He could do seven backflips in them hills. Yeah, roundhouse, kick, well,

892
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 3: dunk all that in them hills. I'm thinking is done,

893
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 3: but I'm not gonna put it past Prince Doncy. I

894
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: heard he was hope, but Prince dunked in them hills.

895
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: Somebody gonna have to tell me different. I'm sure of it.

896
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: And then and then when he cooked everybody pancakes, I

897
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 3: know it happened. My gosh, I know it happened. Murphy

898
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 3: and the passion of the artists, the heart of the

899
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 3: artists who make you feel it.

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00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: Tina Tyner, you're.

901
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 3: Gonna feel that when she start off that rolling, yeah,

902
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: writing anything, it's about.

903
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: To about to get physical, little Cassie.

904
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 3: They do the trick, they do the trick.

905
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no names.

906
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no names. Ain't saying no names. He

907
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: was what you need, don't say she I ain't saying

908
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: no names.

909
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 4: So here we are very important part of this show.

910
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 4: Will you tell us a story? Funny and fucked up?

911
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 4: Are funny and fucked up? The only rule to the

912
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 4: game is you can't say no names.

913
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 6: I was in the studio working with a very very

914
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 6: on my first project with a very very famous producer

915
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 6: now artists, and we were just I'm very goofy. He's

916
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 6: a funny cat too, but at that time he was

917
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 6: really silly and he just kept passing gas. He just

918
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 6: kept passing gas in the studio and the room was

919
00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 6: about this sass, and I was like, what what's happening?

920
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 6: And he was acting like it wasn't happening, and.

921
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 5: I'm like, it was just y'all two in the room.

922
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 6: An engineer, an engineer sitting there trying to hold a

923
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 6: straight face because he's like trying to like not to

924
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 6: because it's bad.

925
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: And so I'm just like, yo, what is why? Why

926
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: are you go to the bathroom right? And he just

927
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: he just kept on.

928
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 3: Is this producing your ass out of pocket?

929
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 6: Man?

930
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 8: And I just didn't understand this is so bad. I

931
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 8: didn't I didn't understand why he was just torturing it

932
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 8: was bad.

933
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 2: I was like, who died like something? Go to the doctor,

934
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: like that's bad. And then he just it was funny,

935
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: like he just to just continue.

936
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 6: And that was just one of them times when I realized,

937
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 6: I said, this guy has such a personality outside of

938
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 6: just being an amazing producer artist. I was like, he's

939
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 6: really like a knucklehead, like just you know, he has

940
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 6: a sense of humor, but he think you think like

941
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 6: you think, And so that was funny to me.

942
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: And yeah, he probably was lactose and sometimes if you

943
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: overdo it on the milk, it it a burn.

944
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 6: But it was like you know how, No, no, this

945
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 6: was just like okay, I grew up with some of

946
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 6: my boy cousins. They used to put us in a

947
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 6: head lot and then just fart on your head like this.

948
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 2: They put it like this and go front like he

949
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: it was that. It was that and it's like why are.

950
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 6: You yeah, and it just the whole the whole thing.

951
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 6: And then he was just looking like smiling like he

952
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 6: knew it, and it was the silent ones be daily.

953
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 2: And he just kept doing no lies, y'all, don't lie.

954
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 3: I respect you know, listen, I respect everyone's airspace, but

955
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 3: you're not gonna make me mess up my intestine. Hold

956
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 3: go to the bathroom. I'm not holding the poot.

957
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: I might not make it.

958
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: Y'all should edit that out, y'all should not.

959
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 6: Don't even let that one go because if he the

960
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 6: person even watch it, they don't know exactly On tome.

961
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 9: Back, he thought it was funny. It's funny again, funny,

962
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 9: fellow pooters.

963
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 4: It's not funny, fellow pooters.

964
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 2: We haven't like like y'all tell ya, somefing really funny.

965
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: That's funny I put it.

966
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's out here. He's out of the white. Yeah,

967
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 3: that's what I said. Dude is out of pocket.

968
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 2: There's that Oh my god, that went out too.

969
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 6: That had no funny stories like like this story, just like.

970
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: Like sessions man Leada James Uh. First of all, first

971
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 3: of all, we appreciate you. That's what's start there. Thank

972
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: you first coming all this way and hanging out with us.

973
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 3: We are we are, we are honored, and we are

974
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 3: absolutely static to give you the flowers and the conversation

975
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 3: that you so rightfully deserve to receive and that you

976
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: deserve to tell people need to know who and what

977
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 3: you are.

978
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: Period.

979
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.

980
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 3: That is that is that is why we that's why

981
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 3: we built this so that we can so that we

982
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 3: can talk to the people who who mean something to

983
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 3: us and too. This that's it, and you know it's

984
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: it's it's our rules, the creatives, the people that really

985
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 3: love this, the people who have been through hell and

986
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 3: high water to get here.

987
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: This is ours.

988
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 3: And we will continue to be a safe space, a

989
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 3: promotional tool, whatever you need us to be, we will

990
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 3: continue to be there for you.

991
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 6: Well, I love y'all, and I'm so grateful or at

992
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 6: the time that we have had. This has been so

993
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 6: much fun. It's like hanging with my brothers, my cousins,

994
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 6: and it's just such a beautiful platform that you guys

995
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 6: have created. And I'm proud of y'all. Thank you, you know,

996
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 6: for being you, and thank you all for doing this.

997
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 6: This is dope. We definitely need this in our culture.

998
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 6: So keep on, keep on, just waiting.

999
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 3: On my on the blues record for me to sing on.

1000
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: What's what's the time of waiting on the food? What's

1001
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 3: the food? What's the side of the record.

1002
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: Did you say we're gonna go? Where where you go?

1003
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: What you're saying?

1004
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: If you go, I'm going right, if you go, I'm.

1005
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 3: Going yeah, Yeah, I'm going with you.

1006
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm going with you.

1007
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 3: I'm going with you.

1008
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 1: That's a good one.

1009
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: Good one. Don't forget, don't ed.

1010
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 3: Thank the gentle money in the thing, Valentine. And this

1011
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: is the R and B Money podcast.

1012
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: Here Thorty on all things R and B. This has

1013
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: been our good.

1014
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 3: System, woman, Huh, thank you. R and B Money.

1015
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 4: R and B Money is a production of the Black

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00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,840
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1017
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1018
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 4: favorite shows. Don't forget to subscribe to and rate our show,

1019
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1020
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,840
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