Speaker 1: First down Cleveland at the Browns forty two empty set
Speaker 1: three left, two.
Speaker 2: To the right for Winston.
Speaker 3: Denver four man rush, quick throw outside.
Speaker 1: The ball is intercepted, intercepted by the brown goes down
Speaker 1: the east sideline.
Speaker 3: This is gonna be an house call.
Speaker 1: That is j Kwon McMillan.
Speaker 4: J Kwon McMillan caps a absolutely wild Monday night game
Speaker 4: between the Denver Broncos and Jameis Winston. Yeah, some other
Speaker 4: Browns were involved. To forty one to thirty two. That
Speaker 4: was Dave Logan on KOA. I am here in my garage,
Speaker 4: Nick Shook in Cleveland, a Browns fan. When you saw
Speaker 4: that Jamis Winston pass left to the inside and Jakwon
Speaker 4: McMillan taking it to the house for the final score
Speaker 4: in what was one of the wildest games of the
Speaker 4: entire season, what were you thinking?
Speaker 3: I mean, I should have been prepared. We should have
Speaker 3: thrown the tweet up. That just says, you know, Jamis
Speaker 3: has the opportunity to be, you know, to post the
Speaker 3: career high for a single game, set the franchise record
Speaker 3: for the most passing yards in a single game, win
Speaker 3: a prime time victory on the road. But we all
Speaker 3: knew what was coming, which is going to be a
Speaker 3: crushing Jameis Winston interception, and that's exactly what it was.
Speaker 3: So I wasn't the least bit surprised that that happened.
Speaker 3: In fact, I laughed because you knew that was coming.
Speaker 3: But what a nightman, what a wild game between these
Speaker 3: two teams.
Speaker 4: I hope you're not like to downtrod And I was
Speaker 4: wondering what kind of shook we were going to get tonight. Now,
Speaker 4: that was a lot of fun, and it got me
Speaker 4: kind of thinking about Jameis Winston because this was the
Speaker 4: ultimate Jameis Winston game. And this guy's been in our
Speaker 4: life for a while now, Florida state number one overall
Speaker 4: pick you know, Wes and I would just drive each
Speaker 4: other crazy debating about Jameis Winston Marcus Mariota for years
Speaker 4: and years, And I got to think and like, how
Speaker 4: much time I wasted debating that Jameis Winston was somehow
Speaker 4: better than he was, that there was going to be
Speaker 4: more than this, when in reality, like he's perfect, He's
Speaker 4: perfect just how he is. He has given us so
Speaker 4: much and this is him in his final form shook.
Speaker 4: He should always be the guy that's on a bad
Speaker 4: team that replaces a bad starter and makes a bad
Speaker 4: team more entertaining in primetime at the end of a
Speaker 4: season when they're three to eight. This is this is
Speaker 4: the perfect Jameis Winston. We don't need more like he is, Kinough,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like this, This is the
Speaker 4: Jameis Winston he was always destined to be, and frankly
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: This is the thirty touchdown, thirty interception hero. This is
Speaker 3: the guy who you know is great for a sound bite.
Speaker 3: This is also the guy who had Browns fans texting
Speaker 3: me in the third that he was pricing himself out
Speaker 3: of town for next year, as if he'd done enough
Speaker 3: to be their start, and people online were saying that still.
Speaker 4: Be true, that might be true. I haven't even mentioned
Speaker 4: he threw for four hundred and ninety seven yards and
Speaker 4: four touchdowns in this game against a really good Broncos defense.
Speaker 4: In four hundred and ninety seven yards, his price is
Speaker 4: going up. At least he was kind of he was
Speaker 4: out there for very little this offseason. His price is
Speaker 4: going up a little bit.
Speaker 3: Buddy, Yeah, I mean, but at the same time, there's
Speaker 3: the stink of the two pick sixers that he threw tonight,
Speaker 3: because you know that that's also part of his game.
Speaker 3: At anytime, he could explode for something like this and
Speaker 3: also crush your hopes in the same breath. But you
Speaker 3: know what, for a losing team, it's fun. It makes
Speaker 3: it entertaining, It makes you believe that they're not that
Speaker 3: far away no matter what team he's on, and it
Speaker 3: makes for a fantastic drunk Monday night football game. Because
Speaker 3: that game was hammered.
Speaker 4: Broncos fans will get to all the implications for you,
Speaker 4: but you do have to understand that weirdly, and Jamis
Speaker 4: has a way of doing this. Your team was not
Speaker 4: the main character tonight. Jamis was that main character. And
Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought up the thirty touchdowns thirty interception season.
Speaker 4: This was a guy who's very first throw in the NFL,
Speaker 4: Nick Schook, was a pick six, and that's This was
Speaker 4: a guy who, to wrap up that thirty thirty season,
Speaker 4: led an insane comeback for Bucks team that wasn't going anywhere,
Speaker 4: and through a game winning touchdown right at the end
Speaker 4: of regulation to get to overtime to get his thirtieth
Speaker 4: You know, he had over thirty touchdown to get to overtime,
Speaker 4: and then in the overtime he throws a season ending
Speaker 4: walk off pick six interception. There is something about this
Speaker 4: guy that you just can't even believe is real. Like
Speaker 4: it's Shakespearean, It's it's tragic comedy, it's it's hilarious. Let's
Speaker 4: actually listen to Jameis Winston after the game.
Speaker 5: I am a better player, you know, but in times
Speaker 5: like this, you know that's it's it's an opportunity to
Speaker 5: continue to go off out the Lord even through the
Speaker 5: toughest circumstances. I know him better than this, I know.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm just praying for the Lord to deliver
Speaker 5: me from pick sixes. Like that's just that's not me.
Speaker 5: Like a phenomenal game offense do some great things, but
Speaker 5: I mess it up delivery.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry because he was He was actually pretty somber
Speaker 4: in this press conference, but him praying to the Lord
Speaker 4: to deliver him from six pick sixes. Like the funniest
Speaker 4: people are the ones that aren't trying to be funny.
Speaker 4: That's just there's just something inside of them. He almost
Speaker 4: reminds me of like Will Ferrell. I know he's not
Speaker 4: will Feroh, but there is just something like about Jamis
Speaker 4: Winston as a human that you watch and you just
Speaker 4: can't help but smile or laugh or.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, this.
Speaker 4: Was this was the night. I'm so glad. Let's put
Speaker 4: him back in primetime. I know they flexed about in
Speaker 4: week sixteen, like let's put them back in SHOOKI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, spicy browns. I gotta give you some
Speaker 3: numbers for contest for Jamis's performance tonight, because we talked
Speaker 3: about the ninety seven yards, the four touchdown passes, everything else.
Speaker 3: He could have had a fifth if he wouldn't have
Speaker 3: thrown a pick at the end of the game. He
Speaker 3: is the first player in the Super Bowl era with
Speaker 3: four hundred plus passing yards, four plus passing touchdowns, and
Speaker 3: multiple pick six is thrown in a game, first player
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl era. It gets better when factoring
Speaker 3: in the one hundred and seventy one interception return yards
Speaker 3: gained by Denver against Jamis Winston. The six hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty eight combined passing yards plus interception return yards off
Speaker 3: of his passes make for the most by any quarterback
Speaker 3: in a single game in NFL history.
Speaker 4: That's it like, that's everything. That's that's bigger than a victory,
Speaker 4: that's winning. That is the most shamous stat you could
Speaker 4: possibly come up with. What quarterback had the most yards
Speaker 4: plus interception yards and the history of this league that
Speaker 4: goes over one hundred years. Jameis Winston deserves to have that,
Speaker 4: and to get there, he did have to have a
Speaker 4: lot of great throws. Another record set tonight, Jerry Judy
Speaker 4: goes nine for two thirty five and a touchdown. That's
Speaker 4: the most yards in the history against the Denver Broncos
Speaker 4: on a day that he came into it saying he
Speaker 4: wanted to put it on their ass that it was
Speaker 4: the ultimate revenge game and he got some revenge. Let's
Speaker 4: listen to our buddy Andrew Siciliano on the big Jameis
Speaker 4: Winston touchdown to Judy with.
Speaker 3: The playblock winding down, Jamis has this haf takes a
Speaker 3: deep drop in.
Speaker 4: He wants a deep shot. He has Judy running free.
Speaker 1: He hasn't at the thirty the twenty Jerry Judy de
Speaker 1: part pylon, hi stepping and falling backward into the end zone.
Speaker 4: Touch down Bros. Seventy yards.
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, Welcome back.
Speaker 2: To Denver.
Speaker 3: How sweet it is.
Speaker 4: He brings out the best in people. I mean, Jerry
Speaker 4: Judy should have been the main character on any other night,
Speaker 4: like this is a Jerry Judy podcast. Jerry Judy was
Speaker 4: hilarious asking for the booze wave into the crowd, going
Speaker 4: backwards into the end zone, like stutting on the crowd
Speaker 4: and putting his hands on his hips. He could have
Speaker 4: gone for three hundred yards if Jamis didn't miss him
Speaker 4: wide open earlier. But there were there were so many
Speaker 4: like great out routes. Eric behind the glass if you
Speaker 4: can put up that Ali Connolly tweet that he had
Speaker 4: or maybe it was on Blue Sky earlier. He said,
Speaker 4: Jerry Judy had the all time kind of revenge game
Speaker 4: that will probably actually make his own coaching staff mat
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, this is what you look like when
Speaker 4: you're engaged in running at full speed every rep.
Speaker 5: Too.
Speaker 4: It's like Nick like Winston brings out like the best
Speaker 4: in these guys. Suddenly these wide receivers look amazing. And yes,
Speaker 4: this Denver game like made Jerry Judy look like like
Speaker 4: he was the best wide receiver in the league.
Speaker 3: That's it's a valid statement. But I would also like
Speaker 3: to go back to the Thursday night went over the
Speaker 3: because he was just about as important in that game.
Speaker 3: Obviously was snowing, so the offensive output wasn't the same,
Speaker 3: but six catches forty five yards a massive catch on
Speaker 3: fourth down to set up that game winning touchdown. He's
Speaker 3: been much more productive. He's I wouldn't quite say flourished,
Speaker 3: but he's looked more like the receiver that they went
Speaker 3: out and traded for and gave an extension to since
Speaker 3: Jamis came into the lineup. I think he's a key
Speaker 3: part of their future. But yeah, tonight, obviously playing inspired
Speaker 3: football and ready to get it from the crowd. The
Speaker 3: crowd's booing him every time he touches the ball, or
Speaker 3: in the first quarter he gets two matches against Pat
Speaker 3: Sertan catches two right at the sticks for first downs,
Speaker 3: like he was balling. As you're right, this would be
Speaker 3: the Jerry Judy game if it wasn't the Jamis Winston game.
Speaker 3: He was absolutely balling tonight, and the other thing that
Speaker 3: it was missing was a win for the Browns.
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, So right after that Jerry Judy touchdown which
Speaker 4: made the score twenty eight to twenty five, rather right
Speaker 4: before that touchdown was what I what I thought was
Speaker 4: going to be the highlight, was going to be the craziest,
Speaker 4: biggest play of the game. At this point in the game,
Speaker 4: it's twenty one to seventeen Denver. Despite Winston throwing a
Speaker 4: killer pick six, and we might listen to that from
Speaker 4: the first half and then getting a touchdown late in
Speaker 4: the first half, they had almost three hundred yards of
Speaker 4: offense at halftime. Winston had well over two hundred passing
Speaker 4: yards at halftime. But the teams actually were trading some
Speaker 4: blown possessions early in the second half. Bon Nicks was
Speaker 4: a little up and down. Troy Aikman's actually giving bo
Speaker 4: Nicks some grief right before he makes this dime of
Speaker 4: a throw.
Speaker 3: It's third down to twelve.
Speaker 1: Knicks, with a pair of receivers on each side, takes
Speaker 1: a shotguns snap, drops three yards.
Speaker 4: Into the end zone, loads it up, deep ball down.
Speaker 1: Little Phillies got ten zone Frances gone forty thirty twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen ten high stepping into the soft in zone, touchdown, Denver,
Speaker 1: ninety three yards, perfect strike bone Nicks to Marvin.
Speaker 4: Them ninety plus yard touchdown. What did you think of
Speaker 4: bow Knicks?
Speaker 3: Tonight. I think you're right. He was up and down
Speaker 3: kind of a mixed bag. Surprisingly when you look at
Speaker 3: the next gen numbers, he didn't get out on the
Speaker 3: run very much, which is obviously where he's been very
Speaker 3: good for most of this season. I think he had
Speaker 3: eight attempts on the run. He had like six attempts
Speaker 3: outside the pocket, which is just not typical of how
Speaker 3: they use him.
Speaker 4: And half of them were on that early touchdown drive
Speaker 4: that they had in the first half. He must have
Speaker 4: had three or four on that drive. But you're right,
Speaker 4: it kind of went cold for a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when he kept rolling out and finding Courtland Sutton
Speaker 3: open on the deep crosser, which he dropped one and
Speaker 3: caught the next one. Yeah, I mean there were big
Speaker 3: plays that he made. He had wide open receivers and
Speaker 3: he was hitting them, you know, all night. It's just
Speaker 3: that at times they kind of entered a rut. And
Speaker 3: then that play though, that play, I'm just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's the potential with bow knicks from the pocket. Because
Speaker 3: he's backed up against his own goal line. It's a
Speaker 3: short drop out of the gun. He just steps up.
Speaker 3: He immediately sees the inverted cover two. He sees Denzel
Speaker 3: Ward bailing out from the right side of the field
Speaker 3: to play the deep half, and he just rips it
Speaker 3: down the field and Ward misses it by inches and
Speaker 3: there's Mims to catch and run for a ninety three
Speaker 3: yard score. Not his best game, but a game in
Speaker 3: which you saw the potential in how he was spinning
Speaker 3: it in the second half in a wild affair. I
Speaker 3: thought he handled it well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he threw two interceptions, was barely fifty percent completion.
Speaker 4: I don't think he helped his offensive Rookie of the
Speaker 4: Year candidacy tonight. I think Jayden Daniels in brock Bowers
Speaker 4: have better cases than Knicks, who's been very good. It
Speaker 4: was almost like he was inspired by Jamis because I
Speaker 4: thought he was chaotic all night. He was big game hunting,
Speaker 4: and he's done a decent amount of that all season,
Speaker 4: where he'll pass up an open receiver, which is not
Speaker 4: his reputation to go for something bigger. But I felt
Speaker 4: like it was cranked up another level where he could
Speaker 4: have run for some plays, but instead he threw a
Speaker 4: couple deep ones against his body. He got burned for.
Speaker 4: One of those was an interception to Mims. There was
Speaker 4: a couple that he got away with, like one or
Speaker 4: two he hit, but it was almost like he was
Speaker 4: watching Jamis Winston. He actually said after the game with
Speaker 4: Lisa Salters on ESPN that he's been watching Jamis, you know,
Speaker 4: for a long time, and he looks up to him
Speaker 4: and really admires how he's, what he's gone through in
Speaker 4: his career and like how he plays and stuff. And
Speaker 4: I was like, you might be too inspired by him
Speaker 4: because that, like it was kind of a crazy game
Speaker 4: out of knicks, but you do love the ability to
Speaker 4: make that throw to Mims on the goal line shows
Speaker 4: a lot of confidence from Sean Payn, and it was
Speaker 4: after a couple of really rough plays in rough series
Speaker 4: where he was doing just what I was saying, where
Speaker 4: he's missing some throws and certainly not really seeing the field,
Speaker 4: but he kept, you know, winging it and ultimately it
Speaker 4: was enough to win on a night where yeah, the
Speaker 4: defense got a couple of those touchdowns too for the Broncos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that play in particular was one of
Speaker 3: those examples where you call something you think, hey, maybe
Speaker 3: we'll get this look in the shot, we'll be there
Speaker 3: and if not, more punning and they got the look
Speaker 3: and he confidently threw it, which is what I was
Speaker 3: most impressed by was just the fact that a rookie
Speaker 3: who was not even full through one full complete season
Speaker 3: yet was able to step up and just lit that
Speaker 3: rip and put it perfectly on him. I mean it
Speaker 3: required it basically a perfect pass to put it where
Speaker 3: he put it for min to catch and run for
Speaker 3: the touchdown. And as soon as he caught, I think
Speaker 3: Joe Buck was just like he's gone, and he was
Speaker 3: because there was nobody else left back there. You don't
Speaker 3: see that from a lot of rookies, that type of
Speaker 3: confidence just let it rip. So yeah, those are the
Speaker 3: positives there, and you'll take some of the negatives because
Speaker 3: the defense was able to score a couple times off
Speaker 3: of takeaways and ultimately they come away with the win.
Speaker 3: I think that this game in general for the Broncos
Speaker 3: is good teaching tape for them because you see the
Speaker 3: ability to hit the big play. It's a chaotic night
Speaker 3: where those things are possible. There were some positives in
Speaker 3: the passing game. Jalil McLaughlin has a really great second
Speaker 3: half of the sixty of his whatever he finished the
Speaker 3: total yards, I think it was eighty four came in
Speaker 3: the second half. They really got the run game going.
Speaker 3: You also learned that your defense needs to be better
Speaker 3: prepared for a night like this. Like this is a
Speaker 3: Broncos defense that entered the night top three in yards
Speaker 3: allowed per game, one of the best teams in passing
Speaker 3: yards allowed per game, in points allowed per game. They
Speaker 3: gave up a ton of points and a ton of
Speaker 3: yards to the freaking Browns. Like this is a moment
Speaker 3: of the season where you get to eight and five
Speaker 3: and you think, all right, let's look at this tape
Speaker 3: and correct these things here so that this doesn't happen again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Browns ended up with five hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: two yards, which actually doesn't sound like that much when
Speaker 4: you know that Winston has four to ninety seven on
Speaker 4: his own twenty eight first downs. They felt like they
Speaker 4: could do anything they wanted as long as Winston didn't
Speaker 4: throw a pick six. Like, yeah, they missed a field
Speaker 4: goal early too. There actually were a number of punts.
Speaker 4: There was just like a ton of possessions in this game.
Speaker 4: It was one of those games where it was all
Speaker 4: big plays incompletions and like interceptions pick sixes, which just
Speaker 4: leads to a million possessions and short possessions, and their
Speaker 4: defense made a couple plays, but they weren't really getting
Speaker 4: after Jameis Winston. That well, one thing I do give
Speaker 4: Knicks credit for, like he does a good job. I
Speaker 4: think playing while moving back towards they're navigating the pocket
Speaker 4: against dangerous You have to make good decisions in those circumstances.
Speaker 4: But I did think he got away from the Browns
Speaker 4: rush to give himself a clear throwing lane a number
Speaker 4: of times, and it worked a number of times, and
Speaker 4: sometimes he should have just eaten it or thrown the
Speaker 4: ball away. So he's showing a lot. But you mentioned it.
Speaker 4: The running game is what really carried them in the
Speaker 4: second half. In the first half, it was really the
Speaker 4: Benino pick six that turned the game around. At that point,
Speaker 4: the Browns are driving. It's late in the first half.
Speaker 4: It's fourteen to ten. Let's take a lesson.
Speaker 1: Winston takes a snap.
Speaker 6: Protection is good.
Speaker 5: With a three man rush, he.
Speaker 1: Throws the bass interception intercepted thirty five is going to
Speaker 1: be a house call down the sideline thirty twenty five,
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen ten five touchdown. That is Nick Panito seventy
Speaker 1: one yards as Nick Panito with an interception return for
Speaker 1: a touchdown.
Speaker 6: Man who had Nick Benito on their Bengal card for
Speaker 6: a pick six, not me.
Speaker 4: That was Javis Winston just forcing the ball that he shouldn't.
Speaker 4: That he just looked at it forever and then just
Speaker 4: didn't want to take a sack and he threw that pass.
Speaker 4: But my god, like, maybe it's the number fifteen. I
Speaker 4: know Benito's one of the smaller pass rushers in the league,
Speaker 4: but he looked like a cornerback out there. That was
Speaker 4: an incredibly athletic. Excellent play by Nick Benito.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Benito's been an athletic freak since his days
Speaker 3: at Saint Thomas Aquinas in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Ends up
Speaker 3: at Oklahoma as a big time recruit, gets to the NFL,
Speaker 3: doesn't have quite as much fanfare coming out of college.
Speaker 3: I think some of that had to do with the
Speaker 3: regime change there with Lincoln Rally going to USC. But
Speaker 3: ultimately he's really come on strong in the last month.
Speaker 3: In his last four games, he's got five sacks. I
Speaker 3: think it started in the Kansas City game where he
Speaker 3: first popped for me on the tape. He gets two
Speaker 3: more sacks the next week and that dominant went over
Speaker 3: the Falcons. He gets one more sack against the Raiders
Speaker 3: in the following week, he gets one tonight, he had
Speaker 3: a team high six pressures. He was winning in one
Speaker 3: on one situations against Jack con Cletman lined up on
Speaker 3: the right side, and then he has that pick six.
Speaker 3: A really good night for him and a guy that
Speaker 3: I think people are going to start to pay attention
Speaker 3: to as these Broncos get closer to making the playoffs
Speaker 3: and they have to start figuring out, Okay, who's on
Speaker 3: this defense because and who's on this team because we
Speaker 3: didn't expect this out of them this season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not gotta panic. I do wonder. It's such
Speaker 4: a it's been such a blitz happy defense. They really
Speaker 4: missed Riley Moss. Who knew that taking away Riley Moss
Speaker 4: from this defense would matter so much. But Riley Moss
Speaker 4: is a really strong number two cornerback, which we didn't
Speaker 4: expect coming into this season. And that's opposite Certan who's
Speaker 4: probably the best cornerback in football. So that's such an
Speaker 4: important spot. And the Browns were just absolutely hammering Levi
Speaker 4: Wallace or whoever else, McMillan, whoever else. They were thrown
Speaker 4: out there. By the end of the game. They had
Speaker 4: a kid I hadn't heard of yet that I don't
Speaker 4: think it played this season. To just give him a shot,
Speaker 4: and they need to get Riley Moss back. But because
Speaker 4: of that vance, Joseph I played a little more conservative,
Speaker 4: didn't do as many blitz as that maybe did not payoff,
Speaker 4: and they should go back to the drying board there.
Speaker 4: Let's look at the schedules for these two teams. And
Speaker 4: while we look at it, if if you're on YouTube,
Speaker 4: you can actually see the graphic that ESPN put up.
Speaker 3: You know, oh this is great.
Speaker 4: So I'm in the garage and I'm just I got
Speaker 4: Sports Center on in the background, and this this thing
Speaker 4: pops up and I'm just dying. Jameis Winston is just
Speaker 4: being goofy as hell, you know the thing where they're
Speaker 4: they're just in some room in the Broncos facility or
Speaker 4: the Browns facility this week, and they're saying, Hey, Jamis,
Speaker 4: can you let's keep keep it up? Hey Jamis, can
Speaker 4: you just stand in front and you just kind of
Speaker 4: like throw the ball around. We're gonna like put the
Speaker 4: schedule next to it, and.
Speaker 3: The comparison is the best because on your right you
Speaker 3: have Bonicks who just like toss the ball around, spinning
Speaker 3: around on his hand like a classic quarterback, just looking
Speaker 3: real stoic. And then on the left, it's Jamis tossing
Speaker 3: it around wildly, eating a couple of making goofy faces
Speaker 3: like that is just what you expect. He's a character.
Speaker 3: How you can't like him?
Speaker 4: It's so funny. It reminds me so much of the
Speaker 4: SNL skit where Will Farrow plays this guy on that's
Speaker 4: going to be like on a news TBS sitcom and
Speaker 4: he keeps popping up on the lower third interrupting. I
Speaker 4: think it's inside the NBA or some show or whatever,
Speaker 4: and he's just like, you know, talking with the people
Speaker 4: in the show, and he's just so freaking goofy. I
Speaker 4: forgot to even talk about the schedules. Let's let's mention
Speaker 4: Denver Cleveland schedule doesn't really matter other than they play
Speaker 4: a lot of teams in the playoff race, so they
Speaker 4: could play spoiler. They get the Steelers again, they have
Speaker 4: the Chiefs, they finish at Baltimore. You know the Dolphins
Speaker 4: will see if they're in Week seventeen, so they could
Speaker 4: play spoiler, and they're certainly a more dangerous team with
Speaker 4: Winston than they were before. The Broncos finally get to
Speaker 4: their buy and then they're really in the center of
Speaker 4: the NFL right now. They play the Colts coming out
Speaker 4: of the by which is a huge game in the
Speaker 4: AFC wild card race, and then they play the Chiefs
Speaker 4: and like they they are now main characters. I don't
Speaker 4: know how they're gonna like fair. The Chiefs are the
Speaker 4: Week eighteen game, which could be interesting if the Chiefs
Speaker 4: are resting their starters at the time. Who knows. They're
Speaker 4: also at the Chargers and they lost to the Chargers
Speaker 4: in Denver earlier, so we'll see. It's kind of wait
Speaker 4: and see. But this was a big win to get
Speaker 4: in their pocket, nick at eight and five, with really
Speaker 4: all four games down the stretch, you know, being kind
Speaker 4: of difficult so that they are not guaranteed by any
Speaker 4: means to make the playoffs. So this was an important
Speaker 4: step for them, even if it was a little rickety.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they were talking about on the broadcast
Speaker 3: to night how this was actually a very big game
Speaker 3: for them. They were seven and five coming into this game,
Speaker 3: and I agreed because eight and five get one step closer.
Speaker 3: You can do the math. But I am very intrigued
Speaker 3: by that at Cincinnati game in week seventeen, just because
Speaker 3: who are the Bengals going to be at that point?
Speaker 3: Are they going to be a team that's like, all right, well,
Speaker 3: we've tried our hardest offensively and we you know, can't
Speaker 3: win games. Like are they going to pack it in?
Speaker 3: Are they going to try to play spoiler? Because I
Speaker 3: think the Browns will be this team, you know, for
Speaker 3: the teams that they play against in the remaining stretch,
Speaker 3: just because they have a character at quarterback and they
Speaker 3: just need to play hard for Kevin Stefanski despite not
Speaker 3: having anything really to play for. But I don't know
Speaker 3: about the Bengals, man. That's gonna be interesting as the
Speaker 3: Broncos trying closer and closer to the playoffs.
Speaker 4: That's an interesting call there by you because if they
Speaker 4: beat a team with the winning record, it would be
Speaker 4: the first time they're zero to seven this year, the Bengals,
Speaker 4: so that would technically be their best win of the season.
Speaker 4: Just a few other little just Jamis Nuggs before we
Speaker 4: move on and maybe this is more of a Browns nug.
Speaker 4: There's only been and this was from our friend Pat Darty.
Speaker 4: Five different players or five different games of over two
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five receiving yards in the NFL this decade,
Speaker 4: you know, since twenty twenty one was Tyreek Hill. Two
Speaker 4: were by Jamar Chase. The other two are by Brown's
Speaker 4: backup quarterbacks, you know, after replacing Deshaun Watson, you know,
Speaker 4: Mari Cooper and Jamis Winston. This was a team that
Speaker 4: didn't you know, Mark Cooper last year with Joe Flacco
Speaker 4: and then now Jerry Judy with Jamis Winston. This was
Speaker 4: a team that literally didn't have over two hundred passing
Speaker 4: yards in a game this season before Jamis came in.
Speaker 4: I know, he's gone over four hundred twice. They didn't
Speaker 4: go over twenty points.
Speaker 3: How many times does this franchise need to watch and
Speaker 3: this is not to go in to Browns right, but
Speaker 3: just quickly, how many times does this franchise need to
Speaker 3: watch the Browns pull somebody off of the bench, replace
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson with him and watch him explode for four
Speaker 3: hundred yards in a game, you know, with their top
Speaker 3: receiver in order for them to sit back and go,
Speaker 3: you know what, that guy we're in number four has
Speaker 3: no business being on this roster. Maybe we should look elsewhere.
Speaker 3: I think this might be the straw that breaks the
Speaker 3: camel's back, But projects left, I don't know it's broken.
Speaker 4: Troy Aikman was more pointed about it than most of
Speaker 4: the broadcasters are, but he could be even more pointed.
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson's never coming back there, But the fact that
Speaker 4: Winston has now twice thrown for more yards in the
Speaker 4: first half of games than Watson did in an entire
Speaker 4: game all season. He's making all these He's like kind
Speaker 4: of changing the math of how you look at these players.
Speaker 4: This Jerry Judy contract extension they gave before the seasons, Like, oh,
Speaker 4: that looks really good now. Elijah Moore actually looks like
Speaker 4: a football player. Cedric Tillman actually looks like a football player.
Speaker 4: Their offensive line doesn't look nearly as bad. You know
Speaker 4: it's Kevin Stefanski is suddenly a better offensive coach again.
Speaker 4: Jim Schwartz. Things aren't really great on the defensive side.
Speaker 3: Ken Dorsey saving his reputation a little bit.
Speaker 4: It's just crazy and Browns fans pushed back when I've
Speaker 4: pointed this out, but I think Watson stayed in and
Speaker 4: they stuck with him way too long going and you're
Speaker 4: gonna say, well, they had to do it, they had
Speaker 4: to do it, they had to do well, you didn't
Speaker 4: like you don't have to do anything, and them sticking
Speaker 4: with him for so long sunk this not only through
Speaker 4: away this season, but it's just weird to me that
Speaker 4: Watson getting hurt is saving them all, is saving Barry
Speaker 4: when he's the guy that brought in Watson. You know,
Speaker 4: because I think Barry could have gotten fired after this season,
Speaker 4: even though I know he just got the contract extension.
Speaker 4: I think their geam could have gotten fired because he's
Speaker 4: the guy that brought in Shaun Watson, the worst trade
Speaker 4: in NFL history, and it was almost all all nothing
Speaker 4: and no, maybe it's ownership, but someone's got to pay.
Speaker 4: He he he he owned it, he wore it, and
Speaker 4: he always defended it. So I don't know what crazy
Speaker 4: saves them all.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna sit back and be like it came
Speaker 3: from on high, and you know, I just did what
Speaker 3: the owners told me to.
Speaker 4: I guess he can't say that What a night, What
Speaker 4: a night for Jameis Winston. That that last sequence was
Speaker 4: just Jamis in a nutshell. He he makes, he makes
Speaker 4: the hard passes, and this is why I couldn't quit
Speaker 4: him for so long. Let's throw up that lat that
Speaker 4: other Ally Connolly tweet too here, It's why I couldn't
Speaker 4: quit him. Jamis hits that third and twelve to Elijah
Speaker 4: Moore on the sideline right before the two minute warning.
Speaker 4: That was an absolutely ridiculous throw that very few quarterbacks
Speaker 4: could make and takes a lot of guts, a lot
Speaker 4: of accuracy, a lot of anticipation, and it's in a
Speaker 4: big spot, and that's what sets up the pick six.
Speaker 4: Like they shouldn't even even been in that position. Olli
Speaker 4: pointed out, like what he loves about his brand of
Speaker 4: recklessness is not that he like bombs down the field.
Speaker 4: It is the opposite, like hash hitch routes that aren't
Speaker 4: within the flow of the play, you know, just like
Speaker 4: doing things that that are crazy. He says, hanging things
Speaker 4: inside on a well covered outbreaker because it may have
Speaker 4: a chance. And it's true, like he tries so many
Speaker 4: low percentage throws that there is a reason why these
Speaker 4: things happen. But my gut, he hits those low percentage
Speaker 4: throws so many times. It reminds me a little bit
Speaker 4: of Will Loves who I just watched this afternoon at
Speaker 4: a much higher level.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's brain throws.
Speaker 5: This.
Speaker 3: Two guys that trust their arm and you know Jamis,
Speaker 3: as Joe Buck was happy to note tonight former college
Speaker 3: baseball pitcher, can you know through a ninety seven mile
Speaker 3: an hour fastball, he's got the arm strength to rip
Speaker 3: it in there? Trust your arm a little bit too much,
Speaker 3: but hey, it's gotten this far, so why not? Why not?
Speaker 4: He still got his fastball? This is the ultimate Jamis
Speaker 4: Winston heater game. Let's take a quick break. We're doing
Speaker 4: something a little different today. We're gonna do some news.
Speaker 4: We're gonna do our MVP Ladder. We might do this
Speaker 4: every week down the stretch, just to kind of show
Speaker 4: where we're at, maybe talk some other awards in future weeks,
Speaker 4: and then have our Captain Morgan Captains of the Week
Speaker 4: right after this back on NFL Daily, got to come
Speaker 4: down a little bit, got some news, and what better
Speaker 4: way to come down than to talk about the ultimate
Speaker 4: NFL come down? This I go Bears. They had a
Speaker 4: press conference, a post firing press conference for what has
Speaker 4: to be the fifth time and about a decade or so.
Speaker 4: This time was with a relatively new team president Kevin
Speaker 4: Warren and general manager Ryan Poles, and we learned that
Speaker 4: it will be general manager Ryan Poles for a little while.
Speaker 4: Let's listen to.
Speaker 2: You excited about want to make sure we're clear about
Speaker 2: is Ryan Poles is the general manager of the Chicago Bears,
Speaker 2: and he will remain the general manager of the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2: Ryan is young, he's talented, he's right, he's hard working.
Speaker 2: He's done everything in his power on a daily basis
Speaker 2: to bring a winner to Chicago. This will be the
Speaker 2: most coveted job in the National Football League this year,
Speaker 2: and Ryan and I need to work hand in hand
Speaker 2: together to make sure we bring that to life, not
Speaker 2: only from a head coach standpoint, but also from an
Speaker 2: entire staff standpoint.
Speaker 4: Okay, two things here. Number One, let Ryan Poles make
Speaker 4: the decision. And eventually they asked them and they did say,
Speaker 4: he'll have final say, but it'll be, you know, a
Speaker 4: collaborative effort. Okay, good, make sure polls and the coaches
Speaker 4: aligned do not fire either one of them separately at
Speaker 4: any point in the process or else you're just gonna
Speaker 4: do it again. Number two is, don't tell me you're
Speaker 4: the most coveted job, coveted job in the league. Like
Speaker 4: do something right for once. That's not what we want
Speaker 4: to hear right now. You puff in your chest out
Speaker 4: that we're the most coveted job. Why exactly is that
Speaker 4: because you run through new coaches every two years that
Speaker 4: you've hit your like over under win total literally once
Speaker 4: in the last decade. That was Matt Naggi's twelve and
Speaker 4: four year Like they you, this is an organizational thing
Speaker 4: where you don't meet expectations year after year after year.
Speaker 4: Don't tell me how coveted you are.
Speaker 3: Come on, Yeah, watching that, I felt like I was
Speaker 3: getting sucked down to as if I was sitting in there.
Speaker 3: I felt like I was getting scolded by a parent.
Speaker 3: I felt like I was in the Mike Holmgren press
Speaker 3: conference in Cleveland way back in the day when he
Speaker 3: told everybody don't come calling me for playoff tickets when
Speaker 3: they were struggling as they did for much of that decade.
Speaker 3: M little too arrogant maybe is the word for where
Speaker 3: you are as a franchise. Right now, let's let the
Speaker 3: proof speak for itself first and go earn that first.
Speaker 4: Now, now I'm totally on board with him backing polls.
Speaker 4: Warren arrived there after polls, and so he's new to
Speaker 4: this and former Big Ten commissioner, and he wants to
Speaker 4: believe it's a new era and he's saying we will
Speaker 4: get it right. But as we've seen with these teams,
Speaker 4: the teams that struggle and keep making the same mistakes,
Speaker 4: you have to prove it to us that you're doing
Speaker 4: something different for us to believe it, because all you
Speaker 4: have to go on is history. In the history with
Speaker 4: the Bears, it's obvious. Or you could change your owners
Speaker 4: like Washington didn't. Then suddenly you're like, oh, okay, now
Speaker 4: I believe you because it's new ownership. But that's not
Speaker 4: happening here. Let's talk about the Baltimore Ravens. Interesting note
Speaker 4: from that game we didn't talk about on the recap
Speaker 4: show is Deontay Johnson didn't play a single snap. Maybe
Speaker 4: we did talk about that. I lose track of things.
Speaker 4: John Harbaught was asked about the fact that Deandrey Johnson
Speaker 4: was active but literally didn't play a snap there had
Speaker 4: a very interesting answer.
Speaker 7: At this time, I'm gonna have to wait just to
Speaker 7: clarify it. There's there's some moving parts there that that
Speaker 7: we're gonna have to figure out and explore and just
Speaker 7: see where we're at.
Speaker 4: I know it's not the question the answer you want,
Speaker 4: but it's the best.
Speaker 7: I can do in fairness to everybody right now.
Speaker 3: No, that's weird.
Speaker 4: What Sometimes you're in a press conference or I've watched
Speaker 4: these press companies, you know, reporter asked the question that
Speaker 4: it's like someone's got to ask it, like whether it's
Speaker 4: gonna be Jeff, is it going to be you know, Mary, Like,
Speaker 4: who's going to ask this? Asked the Deontay Johnson question.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of perfunctory and it's like, Oh, your
Speaker 4: coach gives you, Like then the coach just gives you
Speaker 4: that answer, which is basically, oh, Deantay Johnson's never going
Speaker 4: to play for the Ravens again. I don't think based
Speaker 4: on that answer that they're working out something contractually, suspension whatever.
Speaker 4: I don't know what's happening. They actually followed up about
Speaker 4: it and he said it'll be sorted out in the
Speaker 4: next couple of days and just sounds like it's a
Speaker 4: disaster for Deontay Johnson at least.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it's a guy who has one catch
Speaker 3: for six yards in four games five games with the Ravens.
Speaker 3: Now they go to Tyland Wallace at one point during
Speaker 3: the last game when they desperately need another receiver after
Speaker 3: Shaan Bateman goes down and he's nowhere to be found. Weird.
Speaker 3: It's weird because he was actually having a nice year
Speaker 3: in Carolina. He was their best weapon once Adam Thielen
Speaker 3: went out, and then he got traded because he had
Speaker 3: some value to him for a Panthers team that wasn't
Speaker 3: going anywhere. And then he goes to Baltimore and Dore's
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing, is probably on his way out. Weird.
Speaker 4: He got traded for virtually nothing. It was like a
Speaker 4: conditional six seventh I haven't looked, but he's not going
Speaker 4: to meet those conditions, so it literally might turn into nothing.
Speaker 4: It just sounded complicated, and you just wonder where Deontay's
Speaker 4: Johnson's head is at what happened here, because this is
Speaker 4: a guy who's been very productive forty seven hundred career
Speaker 4: receiving yards in six seasons. That's you know every season
Speaker 4: he's six seven, eight hundred yards. When I did the
Speaker 4: top fifty free agency, like I thought, he's going to
Speaker 4: be one of the best wide receivers out there, but
Speaker 4: he's had about as bad a franchise well or year
Speaker 4: that you could have. Contact.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that. And it's an organization in Baltimore that
Speaker 3: usually does well with these types of additions, Like they've
Speaker 3: brought in a number of veterans over the last ten
Speaker 3: to fifteen years that usually thrive or produce at some
Speaker 3: level and get acclimated to what's going on there culture wise.
Speaker 3: This is like the first that just completely flopped in
Speaker 3: my at least recent memory.
Speaker 4: Right, it's a good call. Sometimes, Nick, I'm at home
Speaker 4: on Mondays and I see a quote like a postgame presser,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I wish we kind of talked
Speaker 4: about that on Sunday. So let's hear from Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 4: who did exactly that for me this afternoon. Hard looking back,
Speaker 4: you feel like there were some opportunities to run today
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 6: That you may have passed up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, my moment just told me that just cuts me out,
Speaker 8: So like I'm mad, So like we gonna get after it.
Speaker 8: I ain't gonnat to it. We're gonna get after it.
Speaker 8: I can't wait to get them get on. We got
Speaker 8: the giants coming up. I'm ready to go, Like I'm
Speaker 8: just ready to go.
Speaker 6: So what did she cuts you out about?
Speaker 8: She said it was lanes. I should have took a rant,
Speaker 8: But you know, I just trying to let guys develop rouths.
Speaker 8: We had developing routes. I'm just trying to go through
Speaker 8: my progression. But yes, you're right, I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4: My mama knows the pain in Lamar Jackson, like you
Speaker 4: felt it in his chest when he when he brought
Speaker 4: that up. And it's kind of great that his mom
Speaker 4: is the one immediately after the game giving him hard criticism.
Speaker 4: Same as ever. I mean this, he's about as close
Speaker 4: with his mom in terms of she was his agent
Speaker 4: and everything grow growing up. And she's still the one
Speaker 4: being like, take those eight yard runs, Lamar, Like they
Speaker 4: were right there in front of you, but you understood
Speaker 4: what he was getting at, waiting for the receivers to
Speaker 4: run their routes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if anybody's gonna light a fire under Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 3: apparently it's his mom. And you know what he'll probably
Speaker 3: take your advice. He's become less of a like run
Speaker 3: first guy over the last couple of years, despite that
Speaker 3: being you know, like the reputation or the criticism of him,
Speaker 3: and he's become he's proved himself as an excellent passer,
Speaker 3: especially the last you know, eighteen months or so. But
Speaker 3: I'd like to see a little bit more runn because
Speaker 3: I think he could have done some damage in that game.
Speaker 4: Well, just when it's there, when it's the right play, right.
Speaker 4: That quote actually, I wanted to put it on the
Speaker 4: show too, because it does make me think that sometimes
Speaker 4: in these big games, he is in his own head
Speaker 4: a little bit, like he's not always making the right
Speaker 4: football play. And I think what Lamar's mom was getting at.
Speaker 4: And she's watched him obviously and knows his game better
Speaker 4: than anyways, Like that was the right football play on
Speaker 4: a number of them, and he was so locked in
Speaker 4: to letting the receivers like develop their routes that he
Speaker 4: wasn't he wasn't taking the profits, you know, wasn't he
Speaker 4: wasn't taking the guaranteed money on a lot of those plays,
Speaker 4: and he forced some passes and he's just been in
Speaker 4: his own head a little bit in some of these games,
Speaker 4: and you give a ton of credit to the Eagles
Speaker 4: defense and what they did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want to take away one of the
Speaker 3: greatest strengths that makes Lamar Jackson so special. By the way,
Speaker 3: Like when you have a mobile quarterback like that, and
Speaker 3: especially one who is evasive and slippery as he is,
Speaker 3: you wish you had a twelfth defender on the field.
Speaker 3: So why limit yourself. I want hit to see him
Speaker 3: improve that before the playoffs, just because that kind of
Speaker 3: reminds me of what happened in that weird game against
Speaker 3: Kansas City that they lost in the AFC Championship game
Speaker 3: last year. You got to get better, you know, after
Speaker 3: losing a game like that last year, And you know,
Speaker 3: right now there's some reason to be thinking. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're going to quite get back there,
Speaker 3: but I think they will have the talent to it.
Speaker 3: He's gonna have to play a part in that.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: It reminded me of the Steelers game from just a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago. Yeah, so he's got some big
Speaker 4: games down the stretch, and you're right, I think it'd
Speaker 4: be big for him to play his best in the
Speaker 4: biggest games down the stretch, and man, it just feels
Speaker 4: like the Ravens kind of like this Broncos team tonight.
Speaker 4: It's just like they needed a break. This Broncos team
Speaker 4: needed a break. The Ravens especially. I feel like they're
Speaker 4: in the biggest game of the week every single week
Speaker 4: and they're not always at their best. As good as
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson has been this year, the Lions have gotten
Speaker 4: pretty close to being at their best. So though they
Speaker 4: could have lost that game to the Bears on Thanksgiving afterwards,
Speaker 4: there was a little bit of a controversy that Jamir
Speaker 4: Gibbs had a TikTok post that showed some of his
Speaker 4: offensive playbooks, some of the calls protection calls. Dan Campbell
Speaker 4: was asked about it today. This was with Costa and
Speaker 4: Jansen on Odyssey's ninety seven point one the Ticket.
Speaker 6: I don't really give a crap. I mean, if we're
Speaker 6: going to lose because of code words, then we're not
Speaker 6: good enough anyway. So I think we'll just post the
Speaker 6: whole freaking playbook out there and every code word we've got,
Speaker 6: and it doesn't matter. It's not going to hurt us,
Speaker 6: it won't affect us.
Speaker 4: I love it. I just love Dan Campbell.
Speaker 3: I look forward to finding the pdf downloadable pdf of
Speaker 3: the Lions playbook. Can't wait to peruse that.
Speaker 4: I mean it was It's not like you're going to
Speaker 4: get the whole thing, but there were there were some
Speaker 4: call I think they're gonna have to change some code
Speaker 4: words of like what the different line moves and stuff.
Speaker 3: I did not you imagine the practice, all right, guys
Speaker 3: instead of doing this today because of Jamiir being an
Speaker 3: idiot on social media, we are now spending time changing words.
Speaker 3: So this is now this, let's wrap.
Speaker 4: It's It's true like some of these teams, they don't
Speaker 4: change their audibles for like two three years. I'm always
Speaker 4: surprised about that. Some teams change it all the time.
Speaker 4: I'm always surprised when it's just like, I guess it works.
Speaker 4: You don't, you don't have to change it. Maybe maybe
Speaker 4: he's right, maybe it really doesn't matter. But Dan Campbell
Speaker 4: confirmed badass, also a badass. Taysom Hill bad news was
Speaker 4: confirmed on Monday. According to Ian Rappaport, Hill towards ACL
Speaker 4: some other damage there too, as a devastating injury, really disappointing.
Speaker 4: Hope to see him in a Saints uniform at some
Speaker 4: point next season. Christian McCaffrey, we're not going to see
Speaker 4: him for the rest of the year. A confirmed tourn PCL.
Speaker 4: He will not need surgery inter a nick but he
Speaker 4: will not return this year. But there wasn't a surprise
Speaker 4: along with that news that Jordan Mason is also out
Speaker 4: for the year with a shoulder injury. So this forty
Speaker 4: nine Ers backfield turns to Isaac Grendo. They're five and seven,
Speaker 4: technically only two games out in the NFC West, but
Speaker 4: that that is a double barrel blow there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Isaac Grendel had a nice little touchdown run in
Speaker 3: the Buffalo game, even though it was out of hand
Speaker 3: at that point. Yeah, you know, another blow to the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers, and especially a tough one for Christian
Speaker 3: McCaffrey who had to wait so long just to play
Speaker 3: because the achilles calf thing that he was, you know,
Speaker 3: they were treating carefully. And he finally comes back and
Speaker 3: if you saw the clip of the you know, the
Speaker 3: play in which he officially knew that his knee was done,
Speaker 3: where he takes a toss and just immediately goes down.
Speaker 3: It's just a huge bummer for especially for such a
Speaker 3: special player like that. I mean it's a big blow
Speaker 3: to the Madden cover curse too, because he was on
Speaker 3: the cover of that game this year. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: just there's nothing good about this, just like there's not
Speaker 3: much good from this forty nine er season. It just
Speaker 3: keeps getting more difficult.
Speaker 4: I gotta say, the people that took McCaffrey number one
Speaker 4: overall in fantasy are all last place. Well yeah, that
Speaker 4: and they're all mad about the lack of information that
Speaker 4: was out there. And Kyle Sheening, I would say, and
Speaker 4: this would be true of fantasy maybe all fantasy sports,
Speaker 4: like literally never draft a person first overall if they're
Speaker 4: hurt at the point like you're getting drafted top.
Speaker 3: And savior draft until the day like the Sunday before
Speaker 3: Week one by yourself as much.
Speaker 4: Even then that this year that like we we didn't
Speaker 4: know he was even out one until we got there,
Speaker 4: so there was like no saving that. But here's a
Speaker 4: guy with a long history of injury that missed basically
Speaker 4: all all of training came. I think it's it's always
Speaker 4: better to be cautious, Like there's other good players out
Speaker 4: there that are fully, fully healthy just take just take them. Uh,
Speaker 4: don't don't blame the fantasy experts. Taysom Hill, as I mentioned,
Speaker 4: was the injury that the other injuries I wanted to
Speaker 4: get to. Dexter Lawrence is headed to injured reserve. We
Speaker 4: just did not hit that. Since that news came out
Speaker 4: as disappointing. I think he had a chance at the
Speaker 4: Defensive Player of the Year. I still think he has
Speaker 4: a chance at all Pro defensive tackle. That's how good
Speaker 4: he was. They also lost their rookie tight end, Theo Johnson,
Speaker 4: who'd been having a nice year for the rest of
Speaker 4: the season. So a bad Giants team gets even worse.
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers will remain the starter for the Jets, the
Speaker 4: team announced today Malcolm Rodriguez. It also tore his ACL.
Speaker 4: The Lions backup. We'll talk about the Lions Packers game,
Speaker 4: but they are really banged up. That'll be part of
Speaker 4: our Tuesday show with Jordan Rodrieg and Steve Weish. We
Speaker 4: also have QB Island coming back. Maybe we'll talk a
Speaker 4: little Rams with Jordan. I don't know, probably not, And
Speaker 4: we already talked Emmanuel Forbes getting claimed on this show
Speaker 4: the number one pick of the Washington Commanders. Just a
Speaker 4: year ago Nick was cut and the Rams picked him up.
Speaker 4: Actually could see him like being on the field for
Speaker 4: the Rams. They could use the corner. You never know.
Speaker 3: It reminds of them taking a flyer on Tradavious White
Speaker 3: and realizing that didn't work.
Speaker 4: So yeah, sure, okay, sure, sure, like ten years older.
Speaker 4: It's always weird when like just gets kind a year later.
Speaker 4: That almost never happens, So we'll see. He was an
Speaker 4: interesting prospect that I think the Rams were high on,
Speaker 4: like a lot of teams. That's it for the news.
Speaker 4: Let's get Let's get to our MVP.
Speaker 3: Ladder, all right.
Speaker 4: Each week, I want to go over where we're at
Speaker 4: in the MVP rankings as of right now, just a
Speaker 4: little bit of a snapshot, going from five to one.
Speaker 4: If you're an Associated Press voter, you do vote for
Speaker 4: five different players, and so that to me is really
Speaker 4: interesting because the three four, five spot, like, it's intriguing.
Speaker 4: If you want to start with your ladder, I'll listen
Speaker 4: to you first and we'll go back and forth. Let's
Speaker 4: go for it.
Speaker 3: Do you go pick by pick or do we go
Speaker 3: all five?
Speaker 4: I just go for it. Do your whole five all right.
Speaker 3: Number five Joe Burrow. Despite the fact that the Bengals stink,
Speaker 3: he has not stunk. Three and thirty seven passing yards,
Speaker 3: thirty five touchdown interception Ratio's played excellent football. If they
Speaker 3: were a winning football team, he'd be very much in
Speaker 3: the conversation right now. So I'm still gonna give miss
Speaker 3: Flowers consideration, honorable mention, whatever you want it to be.
Speaker 3: He's number five for me.
Speaker 4: Okay, I thought about that, and now I changed my mind.
Speaker 4: I do want to go back and forth.
Speaker 3: It would be better.
Speaker 4: Yes, I thought about that. He was probably five or
Speaker 4: six for me. I ended up going justin Jefferson as
Speaker 4: my number five. Joe Burrow's been awesome this year. He's
Speaker 4: clearly one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 4: That that last game he had was so typical of
Speaker 4: his season because he played excellent. You can't blame almost
Speaker 4: anything on him. And yet, and yet he was involved
Speaker 4: with the pick six and involved with a couple other
Speaker 4: turn of vers There's always these little and yet so
Speaker 4: I do think there's a difference between the voting for
Speaker 4: All Pro and voting for MVP. I do think MVP
Speaker 4: has to do with with helping your team win. And
Speaker 4: as much as it's the rest of the team that's
Speaker 4: let him down because of that, he's had to do
Speaker 4: too much. I'm just picking knits. I mean, he to
Speaker 4: me is my number.
Speaker 3: Three quarter right there, you're picking knits.
Speaker 4: Right, He's my number three quarterback in the league. I
Speaker 4: just think for my MVP ladder, I'd rather go with
Speaker 4: other positions. I have a couple other positions.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're gonna go with Jefferson, right, And I'm
Speaker 3: gonna jump in front real quick, because since we're comparing
Speaker 3: this to Burrow, Jefferson has been all but eliminated from
Speaker 3: a few games recently because they know how much Sam Donald. Right,
Speaker 3: But that's he played a big part in that comeback
Speaker 3: win over the Cardinals. But and I know that's that
Speaker 3: is typical of football at times. But to make a
Speaker 3: receiver an MVP candidate, that's that's.
Speaker 4: Why he's five. That's why he's five. It's a big
Speaker 4: drop off from the top top three. Especially yes, he's
Speaker 4: still second in the league and receiving yards. And when
Speaker 4: I think of value and how important he is, he
Speaker 4: is more important than their quarterback for instance, and the
Speaker 4: gravity that he has You see that week after week
Speaker 4: after week, the whole point of every game plan is
Speaker 4: to stop Jameis I mean to stop Justin Jefferson and
Speaker 4: how much attention he gets, and they still find a
Speaker 4: way to get him one hundred yards. He's still second
Speaker 4: in the NFL to Jamar Chase. So he is my
Speaker 4: number five. Give me your number.
Speaker 3: Four, my number four. You know, I'm thinking a bunch
Speaker 3: of mar Chase's candidacy, but already said Joe Burrow, my
Speaker 3: numb four is gonna be Dereck Henry. It's almost chalk
Speaker 3: at this point. But I mean he's had a hell
Speaker 3: of a year, you know with the Ravens. His first
Speaker 3: year in Baltimore. He's got fourteen hundred and seven yards rushing,
Speaker 3: thirteen touchdowns. He's chipped in one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 3: receiving yards. I mean, he has balanced this offense out
Speaker 3: so well with Lamar Jackson. That's made this rushing attack
Speaker 3: even more potent than it was in the past. But
Speaker 3: when they had Gus Edwards and you know those types,
Speaker 3: and I mean he's been fanning. This is a guy
Speaker 3: who should be out of gas. Like he's approaching thirty.
Speaker 3: He's had an incredible amount of carries going back to
Speaker 3: his days at Alabama. This shouldn't be happening. It's like
Speaker 3: that old tweet that says Lebron's gonna be thirty five soon.
Speaker 3: We're almost done with this and then they're not. It's
Speaker 3: the same thing. So he won't win it, and I
Speaker 3: think part of that is because he's on the same
Speaker 3: team as my maybe next guy in the latter we'll see.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, he's had such a phenomenal
Speaker 3: year at this age with this team, I can't help
Speaker 3: but recognize him.
Speaker 4: I like that you didn't say Lamar's name there, as
Speaker 4: if Rashad Bateman was potentially coming out flowers like maybe
Speaker 4: Ronnie Stanley if you wanted to get spicy, I didn't
Speaker 4: have Henry. You know, that's a totally valid guy to
Speaker 4: have in your top five, and I think if the
Speaker 4: season ended today, he would get some top five votes.
Speaker 4: I love that now that we end up seeing like
Speaker 4: a top ten of the MVP rankings. The Lamar factor.
Speaker 4: To me, Lamar is helping Henry even more than vice
Speaker 4: versa in this particular case, and so he just got
Speaker 4: knocked off a little bit, but totally great pick. I
Speaker 4: have paday Sewell number four. I've been banging the drum
Speaker 4: for him as an Offensive Player of the Year candidate,
Speaker 4: so I'll throw him here in the MVP as well.
Speaker 4: I think it's totally fine to make the award what
Speaker 4: you want. And to me, he is representing the Lions
Speaker 4: on some level and that offensive line on some level.
Speaker 4: But also he's the best at what he does in
Speaker 4: the entire NFL, and so I think it's totally fair
Speaker 4: if voters want to put them on their ballot. He's
Speaker 4: my number four.
Speaker 3: You know, I think you've often said it and you're
Speaker 3: representing it right now. Be the change you want to
Speaker 3: see in the world. What I'm saying throwing an offensive
Speaker 3: lineman in there. Look, you're speaking to my heart. I
Speaker 3: just know it's never going to happen. But if you
Speaker 3: why not treat it this way? I know, if you
Speaker 3: want to, you can. Let's make everybody else think this way.
Speaker 4: I know, I know you're out there, Josh Dubo. If
Speaker 4: that's how you pronounce it, if the Associated Press he listens,
Speaker 4: can I get a vote please? Or or at least
Speaker 4: maybe this will influence some voters.
Speaker 3: Who knows one for the pod.
Speaker 4: Why not, Yeah, I'll take I mean when I was
Speaker 4: at NBC, I'm not going to name names, but let's
Speaker 4: say some people had votes there that didn't follow football
Speaker 4: that closely and it got passed around a little bit.
Speaker 4: So I did. I did contribute sometimes to uh, to
Speaker 4: some of those you could probably guess, all right, give
Speaker 4: me your number three.
Speaker 3: It's clearly my number three is going to be Lamar.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think you make a great point
Speaker 3: that Henry and Lamar. I think they'll cancel each other
Speaker 3: out ultimately. At one point, probably about a month ago,
Speaker 3: I felt Lamar was almost running away with it. And
Speaker 3: we've seen some other players rise toward the cream of
Speaker 3: the crop here and make it very interesting. But when
Speaker 3: you look statistically, oh man, it's tough, Like it's tough
Speaker 3: to not have him in there. Ninety passing yards, twenty
Speaker 3: ninety three touchdown interception ratio, it's got six hundred and
Speaker 3: seventy eight yards rushing and three rushing touchdowns. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's doing it all, he really is. It's just that
Speaker 3: he also has another candidate on his roster that's going
Speaker 3: to make it a little more difficult, and they're not
Speaker 3: as consistent as a team as I think that most
Speaker 3: people would want from an MVP candidate. Now we still
Speaker 3: have these remaining weeks before we decide that, but he
Speaker 3: definitely gonna be in the running.
Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, you can look at different stats, like
Speaker 4: he's I think fourth in QBR it depends, you know,
Speaker 4: PF's maybe not like quite as high. And yet he's
Speaker 4: clearly better than he was a year ago when he
Speaker 4: won the MVP. Like, there's no question to me. I
Speaker 4: think he's a very strong third and absolutely has a
Speaker 4: good chance to win the MVP. Still, if he's the
Speaker 4: best player over the next five weeks by a decent margin,
Speaker 4: then he's gonna win it. In my mind, how he
Speaker 4: did last year, right, the five losses to me does
Speaker 4: not eliminate him. He's just been fantastic. Who has played
Speaker 4: the position, you know, at the most consistent level. I
Speaker 4: actually think that's Josh Allen for me, who you know,
Speaker 4: spoiler alert is ahead. But Lamar at his best, I
Speaker 4: think has been the very best this year. So he's
Speaker 4: number three and he's close. I'm gonna throw my two
Speaker 4: out there. I bet it's you know, we have the
Speaker 4: same final two. I have Saquin Barkley as my two.
Speaker 4: I went back and worth with this. I don't want
Speaker 4: to get caught up with the whole word value valuable.
Speaker 4: It's in the name, I get it. But that's sort
Speaker 4: of where I went with Sewil too. You can decide
Speaker 4: how you want to interpret it. Yeah, if you're voting Barkley,
Speaker 4: I do think you're you're partly voting for the Eagles
Speaker 4: running game in the offensive line in a way too.
Speaker 4: But that he just absolutely supercharged and he is playing
Speaker 4: at a level at this position that we haven't seen
Speaker 4: since Ladanian, Tomlinson, Marshall Falk, you know, Adrian Peterson in
Speaker 4: his MVP year, Like that is what he's doing right now,
Speaker 4: maybe even better than some of those years. So it's
Speaker 4: hard for me to not put him number one. I
Speaker 4: really struggled because that's how special a year he's having.
Speaker 4: It's one A, one B for me, but Saquon for
Speaker 4: me is number two.
Speaker 3: We're going to invert these because I have Allen at
Speaker 3: number two and it doesn't really have to do with
Speaker 3: the numbers as much as what we've talked about so
Speaker 3: much on this show, which is how he is just
Speaker 3: a game changing talent for these Bills who can win
Speaker 3: in a number of different ways, and he can succeed
Speaker 3: in a number of different ways. He can throw the
Speaker 3: ball all over the yard. He's the most effective running
Speaker 3: running quarterback in the NFL, as you've said many times.
Speaker 3: And then they go out there and drop a ton
Speaker 3: of points on a snowy night against the forty nine ers,
Speaker 3: which just kind of, you know, adds an exclamation point
Speaker 3: to what we've talked about for a while here. I
Speaker 3: also think that he's done a really good job of
Speaker 3: overcoming the personnel changes, which is what we talked about
Speaker 3: a lot earlier in the season when they ran into
Speaker 3: some bumps in the road, and now they're just cruising
Speaker 3: and he's obviously at the center of it. But since
Speaker 3: you went Alan, you went with Saquon two, and I
Speaker 3: went Allent too. I'm just gonna tell you right now,
Speaker 3: Saquon's number one for me. So if we want to
Speaker 3: get back and forth about the comparing these two, I
Speaker 3: will happily point out that while you're absolutely right about,
Speaker 3: you know, incorporating the offensive line, or that we could
Speaker 3: talk about the Bills offensive line and how well they've
Speaker 3: protected Alan for most of this season. There in corporation
Speaker 3: of the running game, which is vastly different than where
Speaker 3: they were last year's. Basically, since Joe Brady took over,
Speaker 3: they've been a different offense. And James Cook has factored
Speaker 3: into that little bit of Ray Davis too. Shout out
Speaker 3: to Ray Davis, and I look at the Eagles and
Speaker 3: I look at Saquon Barkley. I watch an offense that
Speaker 3: lost Jason Kelcey this offseason, lost Isaac Samala, which okay,
Speaker 3: near replacement level guard if you want to talk about
Speaker 3: him like that. They replaced him with McKay beck, and
Speaker 3: they replace Kelsey with Cam Jurgens. Okay, They've dealt with
Speaker 3: injuries in the offensive line at times, and yet Saquon
Speaker 3: has looked head and shoulders, knees and toes and a
Speaker 3: ten foot wall outside, higher and better than where they
Speaker 3: were with DeAndre Swift, where they were with Miles Sanders
Speaker 3: like he is. I watch him run every week, and
Speaker 3: I think, God, I wish he wouldn't have spent all
Speaker 3: those new years in New York. I feel like we
Speaker 3: were robbed of a surefire Hall of Fame career because
Speaker 3: of the time he was there. Now, Injuri's gotten the
Speaker 3: way of course too. But he's playing incredible football and
Speaker 3: closing games and doing a little bit of everything, so
Speaker 3: much that he got a Nike ad for reverse hurtling
Speaker 3: a guy while wearing Lebron's. Okay, this is my MVP
Speaker 3: if he continues at this rate, slam dunk MVP for me,
Speaker 3: and I don't care that he's a running back.
Speaker 4: I'm taking it all great points, it's all fair. It's
Speaker 4: why at this point in time where I totally get it,
Speaker 4: maybe I'm baking in that. Can he keep this up?
Speaker 4: It's such a crazy pace. It's not just the seventy
Speaker 4: yard runs to ice the games, it's the nine yard
Speaker 4: runs that should have been four, just over and over.
Speaker 4: He's special. He could make the Hall of Fame by
Speaker 4: the way shook. I think he's on pace for.
Speaker 3: It, but it would have been guaranteed by now.
Speaker 4: The numbers are going to have to come down with
Speaker 4: running backs, kind of like the bar went up with quarterbacks,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And because he's going to
Speaker 4: be if he's one of the two or three best
Speaker 4: at his position over an eight year period, let's say
Speaker 4: those guys make the Hall of Fame. And to me,
Speaker 4: he has a good chance to do that, especially if
Speaker 4: he can rack up an MVP or an Offensive Player
Speaker 4: of the Year season this year in another good season
Speaker 4: or two in Philadelphia, so I think he has a
Speaker 4: chance to I just look at Josh Allen and think
Speaker 4: how valuable he is in the running game and in
Speaker 4: the red zone and as a receiver, and I just
Speaker 4: think that it just puts it over the top of
Speaker 4: the where it's so hard for me to give it
Speaker 4: to I guess a running back when a quarterback is
Speaker 4: having a superlative season like this for Josh Allen. But
Speaker 4: they're one A, one B and the MVP race is
Speaker 4: just getting going. So I think we can talk about
Speaker 4: it in future weeks and it's it's it's razor thin
Speaker 4: because it does matter to me, like what player what
Speaker 4: describes the regular season the best, like in terms of
Speaker 4: what is the most signature part of this season, And
Speaker 4: I think that's to be determined, but say that's an
Speaker 4: argument for Saquon because the way the Eagles have been
Speaker 4: ending these games, to me, is one of the most
Speaker 4: memorable things we will absolutely remember for years and years
Speaker 4: and years, and he is the key to it all.
Speaker 4: So you almost can vince me, but it's a good thing.
Speaker 4: It doesn't really matter. It's after week thirteen. It only
Speaker 4: matters for this podcast. In this video, we'll revisit that.
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll do another award next week. We'll do Defensive
Speaker 4: Player or something else, and then we'll circle back to
Speaker 4: MVP because one thing I learned when I used to
Speaker 4: do the MVP Ladder each and every week on NFL
Speaker 4: dot Com, you start running out. You start just repeating
Speaker 4: the same thing.
Speaker 3: So oh, sounds sounds like what I run to in
Speaker 3: QB and Nick sometimes.
Speaker 4: All right, let's wrap it up. It is absolutely time
Speaker 4: for your favorite part of the week, Captain's Corner, presented
Speaker 4: by Captain Morgan. I'm gonna get us going. You weren't
Speaker 4: expecting this one. I'm gonna give it to zach Ertz.
Speaker 4: You're like, zach Ertz. Why zach Ertz. You know what
Speaker 4: zach Ertz did this weekend. He had a fiftieth career
Speaker 4: touchdown pass. What were you going to answer?
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 4: Okay, and I started looking up, like, oh, how's zach
Speaker 4: Ertz doing this season? Because he's been pretty good red
Speaker 4: zone threat for them in general. Fifty two catches one
Speaker 4: hundred and one yards, four touchdowns. I thought this guy's career,
Speaker 4: speaking of Lebron and those tweets of you know, thinking
Speaker 4: it was done at thirty five, I thought he was
Speaker 4: done done, and I mean really done, like we're making
Speaker 4: Twitter jokes about him done over the last couple of years,
Speaker 4: fighting through injuries, not looking like his body could just
Speaker 4: hold up, and that he could be an effective player
Speaker 4: for a good team anymore. When he was out there
Speaker 4: in Arizona, he averaged six point nine yards per catch
Speaker 4: last year, and to see him out there, it's sort
Speaker 4: of just representing to me the players who are in
Speaker 4: it for the love of it, that are playing this
Speaker 4: deep into their career, like a Kalas Campbell, just because
Speaker 4: what are they going to do in their life that
Speaker 4: is more fun than this and getting it done at
Speaker 4: a very high level, and being a key role player
Speaker 4: for a rookie quarterback who might be the offensive rookie
Speaker 4: the year. This dude has had so many different lives,
Speaker 4: one of them, you know, breaking my heart with an
Speaker 4: absolutely killer catch in the Super Bowl for the Eagles.
Speaker 4: That was a while ago. He was a rookie back
Speaker 4: in twenty thirteen. I mean he was with Chip Kelly,
Speaker 4: like was see with Michael Vick on that team. It's
Speaker 4: been a while, so just shout out to Zach Ertz, you're.
Speaker 3: My ch you know. It's it's funny because if you
Speaker 3: if you look at him this year, people will be like, well,
Speaker 3: he just needed a change of scenery. He needed to
Speaker 3: leave Arizona. He followed his old coach to Washington, essentially
Speaker 3: like he went from the Cardinals where he struggled to
Speaker 3: injuries and wasn't a huge factor after getting dumped by
Speaker 3: the Eagles who couldn't pay him anymore, and he cried
Speaker 3: on his way out, which understandably, so he loved it
Speaker 3: there and now he's having a little bit of a
Speaker 3: rebirth year. He doesn't look like the same guy he
Speaker 3: once was, but he's crafty and he's finding way to
Speaker 3: make it work.
Speaker 4: And he's healthy. I think that's what it is sometimes
Speaker 4: for the older guys, like if you have the body
Speaker 4: like a Marcedes Lewis.
Speaker 3: For that's what the compo was gonna make is a
Speaker 3: little bit of a Marceades Lewis ark.
Speaker 4: Here, like he's just a physical freak that could like
Speaker 4: his body could keep getting it done. Year after year,
Speaker 4: and zach Ertz, after being hurt for a few years,
Speaker 4: has found good health. Soch'ers toe u Zacher. It's always
Speaker 4: one of my favorites.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Marceides Lewis, real quick before I do my
Speaker 3: captain ten years ago, Greg, I was in the NFL
Speaker 3: newsroom ten years ago after right after you'd hired me
Speaker 3: about six months in, and I remember sitting there with
Speaker 3: our former colleague, good friend Will Robinson, and we described
Speaker 3: Marceades Lewis catching a pass and right on the sideline
Speaker 3: as a plotting tight end, plotting two d's. He's still
Speaker 3: plotting through the NFL right now. So if he can
Speaker 3: do it, you can do it too, zach Er. It's
Speaker 3: good for you.
Speaker 4: I'm old enough to remember when people said Marcedes Lewis
Speaker 4: was a bust in Jacksonville. Now he's still out there.
Speaker 4: He's still out there twenty.
Speaker 3: Ten special teams and everything else. All right, My Captain
Speaker 3: of the week, gonna go bit of a deep dive
Speaker 3: here relevant right now because of what he did in
Speaker 3: the Jets Seahawks game. And is Canayan wang Wu, who
Speaker 3: was one of my favorite kick returners way back in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. When he played for the Vikings. He
Speaker 3: had a couple of kick return touchdowns that season and
Speaker 3: then kind of faded into the background. He's got one
Speaker 3: since then in twenty until Sunday when he comes down
Speaker 3: and he forces a fumble on kick coverage and then
Speaker 3: not long thereafter, he takes a kickback for a touchdown,
Speaker 3: his fourth of his career. You probably don't know his name. Well,
Speaker 3: he's one of those guys you're getting mad and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: look at that speed. Ready, I'm just gonna turn him
Speaker 3: into a stud running back over time. But in real
Speaker 3: life he's a hell of a kick returner. And he
Speaker 3: got back in the spotlight on Sunday in a close
Speaker 3: loss for the Jets. He really gave them a spark
Speaker 3: at the time. Good on you for getting on that team.
Speaker 3: You're a new guy there and you're making an impact instantly.
Speaker 3: So you're my captain for the week. Oh and also Greg,
Speaker 3: I don't like to do this often, but I have
Speaker 3: two bonus captains.
Speaker 4: Wow okay.
Speaker 3: One is a member of the show, Colleen Wolf for
Speaker 3: going a perfect sixteen and oher in game picks this week.
Speaker 3: I believe it's the first time the Thanksgiving week. I
Speaker 3: believe it's the first time that anybody's ever done it
Speaker 3: in the history of picks. Have to confirm that with
Speaker 3: Sean Shoppy over on the YouTube side. But also I'm
Speaker 3: the other captain because I went sixteen and oh two
Speaker 3: in great company with Colleen. Let's go perfect game.
Speaker 4: That was just a long winded way of craving your
Speaker 4: foe from the drapers. Yes, it was Connie's celebrating actually
Speaker 4: in New Orleans right now as part of some NFL trip.
Speaker 4: I'm not really sure what's going on, but she's not
Speaker 4: gonna be in the studio tomorrow because she's working in
Speaker 4: New Orleans. What a place to celebrate a sixteen and
Speaker 4: oer record. An awesome job by Shooki and Colleen. That
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Speaker 4: Please drink responsibly talking to you, Colleen. What a couple
Speaker 4: of captains, Shookie and Colleen. That's it for today. Like
Speaker 4: I said, we will be back on Tuesday with Jordan
Speaker 4: Rodrigue of the Athletics. Steve Weiss'll be in the building
Speaker 4: doing a little QB Island, doing a little Lions and
Speaker 4: Packers preview, and yeah, when Jamis Winston is making unforgettable
Speaker 4: touchdowns and pick sixes, football is finally back.