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Speaker 2: To the right for Winston.

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Speaker 3: Denver four man rush, quick throw outside.

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Speaker 1: That is j Kwon McMillan.

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Speaker 4: J Kwon McMillan caps a absolutely wild Monday night game

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Speaker 4: between the Denver Broncos and Jameis Winston. Yeah, some other

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Speaker 4: Browns were involved. To forty one to thirty two. That

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Speaker 4: was Dave Logan on KOA. I am here in my garage,

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Speaker 4: Nick Shook in Cleveland, a Browns fan. When you saw

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Speaker 4: that Jamis Winston pass left to the inside and Jakwon

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Speaker 4: in what was one of the wildest games of the

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Speaker 3: I mean, I should have been prepared. We should have

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Speaker 3: for the most passing yards in a single game, win

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Speaker 3: a prime time victory on the road. But we all

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Speaker 3: knew what was coming, which is going to be a

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Speaker 3: crushing Jameis Winston interception, and that's exactly what it was.

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Speaker 3: So I wasn't the least bit surprised that that happened.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I laughed because you knew that was coming.

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Speaker 3: But what a nightman, what a wild game between these

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Speaker 4: I hope you're not like to downtrod And I was

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Speaker 4: wondering what kind of shook we were going to get tonight. Now,

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Speaker 4: that was a lot of fun, and it got me

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Speaker 4: kind of thinking about Jameis Winston because this was the

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Speaker 4: ultimate Jameis Winston game. And this guy's been in our

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Speaker 4: life for a while now, Florida state number one overall

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Speaker 4: pick you know, Wes and I would just drive each

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Speaker 4: other crazy debating about Jameis Winston Marcus Mariota for years

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Speaker 4: much time I wasted debating that Jameis Winston was somehow

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Speaker 4: more than this, when in reality, like he's perfect, He's

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Speaker 4: perfect just how he is. He has given us so

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Speaker 4: much and this is him in his final form shook.

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Speaker 4: He should always be the guy that's on a bad

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Speaker 4: season when they're three to eight. This is this is

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Speaker 4: the perfect Jameis Winston. We don't need more like he is, Kinough,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like this, This is the

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Speaker 4: Jameis Winston he was always destined to be, and frankly

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: This is the thirty touchdown, thirty interception hero. This is

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Speaker 3: the guy who you know is great for a sound bite.

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Speaker 3: This is also the guy who had Browns fans texting

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Speaker 3: me in the third that he was pricing himself out

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Speaker 3: of town for next year, as if he'd done enough

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Speaker 4: Be true, that might be true. I haven't even mentioned

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Speaker 4: he threw for four hundred and ninety seven yards and

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Speaker 4: In four hundred and ninety seven yards, his price is

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Speaker 3: the stink of the two pick sixers that he threw tonight,

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Speaker 3: At anytime, he could explode for something like this and

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Speaker 3: know what, for a losing team, it's fun. It makes

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Speaker 3: that game was hammered.

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Speaker 4: Broncos fans will get to all the implications for you,

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Speaker 4: but you do have to understand that weirdly, and Jamis

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Speaker 4: it's Shakespearean, It's it's tragic comedy, it's it's hilarious. Let's

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Speaker 5: I am a better player, you know, but in times

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry because he was He was actually pretty somber

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Speaker 4: Was this was the night. I'm so glad. Let's put

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Speaker 3: He could have had a fifth if he wouldn't have

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Speaker 4: listen to our buddy Andrew Siciliano on the big Jameis

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Speaker 4: He wants a deep shot. He has Judy running free.

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Speaker 4: He brings out the best in people. I mean, Jerry

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Speaker 4: like this is a Jerry Judy podcast. Jerry Judy was

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Speaker 4: It's like, oh, this is what you look like when

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Speaker 4: It's like Nick like Winston brings out like the best

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Speaker 3: He was absolutely balling tonight, and the other thing that

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, So right after that Jerry Judy touchdown which

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Speaker 4: Week eighteen game, which could be interesting if the Chiefs

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Speaker 4: are resting their starters at the time. Who knows. They're

437
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Speaker 4: also at the Chargers and they lost to the Chargers

438
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Speaker 4: in Denver earlier, so we'll see. It's kind of wait

439
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Speaker 4: and see. But this was a big win to get

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Speaker 4: in their pocket, nick at eight and five, with really

441
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 4: all four games down the stretch, you know, being kind

442
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Speaker 4: of difficult so that they are not guaranteed by any

443
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Speaker 4: means to make the playoffs. So this was an important

444
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Speaker 4: step for them, even if it was a little rickety.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they were talking about on the broadcast

446
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Speaker 3: to night how this was actually a very big game

447
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Speaker 3: for them. They were seven and five coming into this game,

448
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 3: and I agreed because eight and five get one step closer.

449
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Speaker 3: You can do the math. But I am very intrigued

450
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Speaker 3: by that at Cincinnati game in week seventeen, just because

451
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Speaker 3: who are the Bengals going to be at that point?

452
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Speaker 3: Are they going to be a team that's like, all right, well,

453
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Speaker 3: we've tried our hardest offensively and we you know, can't

454
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Speaker 3: win games. Like are they going to pack it in?

455
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Speaker 3: Are they going to try to play spoiler? Because I

456
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 3: think the Browns will be this team, you know, for

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Speaker 3: the teams that they play against in the remaining stretch,

458
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Speaker 3: just because they have a character at quarterback and they

459
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Speaker 3: just need to play hard for Kevin Stefanski despite not

460
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Speaker 3: having anything really to play for. But I don't know

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Speaker 3: about the Bengals, man. That's gonna be interesting as the

462
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Speaker 3: Broncos trying closer and closer to the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: That's an interesting call there by you because if they

464
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Speaker 4: beat a team with the winning record, it would be

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Speaker 4: the first time they're zero to seven this year, the Bengals,

466
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Speaker 4: so that would technically be their best win of the season.

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Speaker 4: Just a few other little just Jamis Nuggs before we

468
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Speaker 4: move on and maybe this is more of a Browns nug.

469
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Speaker 4: There's only been and this was from our friend Pat Darty.

470
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Speaker 4: Five different players or five different games of over two

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Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five receiving yards in the NFL this decade,

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Speaker 4: you know, since twenty twenty one was Tyreek Hill. Two

473
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Speaker 4: were by Jamar Chase. The other two are by Brown's

474
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Speaker 4: backup quarterbacks, you know, after replacing Deshaun Watson, you know,

475
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Speaker 4: Mari Cooper and Jamis Winston. This was a team that

476
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Speaker 4: didn't you know, Mark Cooper last year with Joe Flacco

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Speaker 4: and then now Jerry Judy with Jamis Winston. This was

478
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 4: a team that literally didn't have over two hundred passing

479
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 4: yards in a game this season before Jamis came in.

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Speaker 4: I know, he's gone over four hundred twice. They didn't

481
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Speaker 4: go over twenty points.

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Speaker 3: How many times does this franchise need to watch and

483
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Speaker 3: this is not to go in to Browns right, but

484
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Speaker 3: just quickly, how many times does this franchise need to

485
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Speaker 3: watch the Browns pull somebody off of the bench, replace

486
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Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson with him and watch him explode for four

487
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Speaker 3: hundred yards in a game, you know, with their top

488
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Speaker 3: receiver in order for them to sit back and go,

489
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Speaker 3: you know what, that guy we're in number four has

490
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Speaker 3: no business being on this roster. Maybe we should look elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: I think this might be the straw that breaks the

492
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Speaker 3: camel's back, But projects left, I don't know it's broken.

493
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Speaker 4: Troy Aikman was more pointed about it than most of

494
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Speaker 4: the broadcasters are, but he could be even more pointed.

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Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson's never coming back there, But the fact that

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Speaker 4: Winston has now twice thrown for more yards in the

497
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Speaker 4: first half of games than Watson did in an entire

498
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Speaker 4: game all season. He's making all these He's like kind

499
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Speaker 4: of changing the math of how you look at these players.

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Speaker 4: This Jerry Judy contract extension they gave before the seasons, Like, oh,

501
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 4: that looks really good now. Elijah Moore actually looks like

502
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Speaker 4: a football player. Cedric Tillman actually looks like a football player.

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Speaker 4: Their offensive line doesn't look nearly as bad. You know

504
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 4: it's Kevin Stefanski is suddenly a better offensive coach again.

505
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Speaker 4: Jim Schwartz. Things aren't really great on the defensive side.

506
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Speaker 3: Ken Dorsey saving his reputation a little bit.

507
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Speaker 4: It's just crazy and Browns fans pushed back when I've

508
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 4: pointed this out, but I think Watson stayed in and

509
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Speaker 4: they stuck with him way too long going and you're

510
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Speaker 4: gonna say, well, they had to do it, they had

511
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Speaker 4: to do it, they had to do well, you didn't

512
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Speaker 4: like you don't have to do anything, and them sticking

513
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: with him for so long sunk this not only through

514
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Speaker 4: away this season, but it's just weird to me that

515
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Speaker 4: Watson getting hurt is saving them all, is saving Barry

516
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Speaker 4: when he's the guy that brought in Watson. You know,

517
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Speaker 4: because I think Barry could have gotten fired after this season,

518
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 4: even though I know he just got the contract extension.

519
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 4: I think their geam could have gotten fired because he's

520
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 4: the guy that brought in Shaun Watson, the worst trade

521
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 4: in NFL history, and it was almost all all nothing

522
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 4: and no, maybe it's ownership, but someone's got to pay.

523
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Speaker 4: He he he he owned it, he wore it, and

524
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Speaker 4: he always defended it. So I don't know what crazy

525
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Speaker 4: saves them all.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna sit back and be like it came

527
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Speaker 3: from on high, and you know, I just did what

528
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Speaker 3: the owners told me to.

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Speaker 4: I guess he can't say that What a night, What

530
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Speaker 4: a night for Jameis Winston. That that last sequence was

531
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Speaker 4: just Jamis in a nutshell. He he makes, he makes

532
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Speaker 4: the hard passes, and this is why I couldn't quit

533
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Speaker 4: him for so long. Let's throw up that lat that

534
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Speaker 4: other Ally Connolly tweet too here, It's why I couldn't

535
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 4: quit him. Jamis hits that third and twelve to Elijah

536
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Speaker 4: Moore on the sideline right before the two minute warning.

537
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Speaker 4: That was an absolutely ridiculous throw that very few quarterbacks

538
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Speaker 4: could make and takes a lot of guts, a lot

539
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Speaker 4: of accuracy, a lot of anticipation, and it's in a

540
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 4: big spot, and that's what sets up the pick six.

541
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Speaker 4: Like they shouldn't even even been in that position. Olli

542
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 4: pointed out, like what he loves about his brand of

543
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 4: recklessness is not that he like bombs down the field.

544
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Speaker 4: It is the opposite, like hash hitch routes that aren't

545
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Speaker 4: within the flow of the play, you know, just like

546
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 4: doing things that that are crazy. He says, hanging things

547
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Speaker 4: inside on a well covered outbreaker because it may have

548
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Speaker 4: a chance. And it's true, like he tries so many

549
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 4: low percentage throws that there is a reason why these

550
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Speaker 4: things happen. But my gut, he hits those low percentage

551
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Speaker 4: throws so many times. It reminds me a little bit

552
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Speaker 4: of Will Loves who I just watched this afternoon at

553
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Speaker 4: a much higher level.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's brain throws.

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Speaker 5: This.

556
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Speaker 3: Two guys that trust their arm and you know Jamis,

557
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 3: as Joe Buck was happy to note tonight former college

558
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: baseball pitcher, can you know through a ninety seven mile

559
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 3: an hour fastball, he's got the arm strength to rip

560
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: it in there? Trust your arm a little bit too much,

561
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Speaker 3: but hey, it's gotten this far, so why not? Why not?

562
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Speaker 4: He still got his fastball? This is the ultimate Jamis

563
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Speaker 4: Winston heater game. Let's take a quick break. We're doing

564
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Speaker 4: something a little different today. We're gonna do some news.

565
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 4: We're gonna do our MVP Ladder. We might do this

566
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Speaker 4: every week down the stretch, just to kind of show

567
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Speaker 4: where we're at, maybe talk some other awards in future weeks,

568
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Speaker 4: and then have our Captain Morgan Captains of the Week

569
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Speaker 4: right after this back on NFL Daily, got to come

570
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 4: down a little bit, got some news, and what better

571
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: way to come down than to talk about the ultimate

572
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Speaker 4: NFL come down? This I go Bears. They had a

573
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Speaker 4: press conference, a post firing press conference for what has

574
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Speaker 4: to be the fifth time and about a decade or so.

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Speaker 4: This time was with a relatively new team president Kevin

576
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Speaker 4: Warren and general manager Ryan Poles, and we learned that

577
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Speaker 4: it will be general manager Ryan Poles for a little while.

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Speaker 4: Let's listen to.

579
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Speaker 2: You excited about want to make sure we're clear about

580
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Speaker 2: is Ryan Poles is the general manager of the Chicago Bears,

581
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Speaker 2: and he will remain the general manager of the Chicago Bears.

582
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Speaker 2: Ryan is young, he's talented, he's right, he's hard working.

583
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Speaker 2: He's done everything in his power on a daily basis

584
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Speaker 2: to bring a winner to Chicago. This will be the

585
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Speaker 2: most coveted job in the National Football League this year,

586
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Speaker 2: and Ryan and I need to work hand in hand

587
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Speaker 2: together to make sure we bring that to life, not

588
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Speaker 2: only from a head coach standpoint, but also from an

589
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Speaker 2: entire staff standpoint.

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Speaker 4: Okay, two things here. Number One, let Ryan Poles make

591
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 4: the decision. And eventually they asked them and they did say,

592
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Speaker 4: he'll have final say, but it'll be, you know, a

593
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Speaker 4: collaborative effort. Okay, good, make sure polls and the coaches

594
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Speaker 4: aligned do not fire either one of them separately at

595
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Speaker 4: any point in the process or else you're just gonna

596
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Speaker 4: do it again. Number two is, don't tell me you're

597
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Speaker 4: the most coveted job, coveted job in the league. Like

598
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: do something right for once. That's not what we want

599
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 4: to hear right now. You puff in your chest out

600
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Speaker 4: that we're the most coveted job. Why exactly is that

601
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: because you run through new coaches every two years that

602
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 4: you've hit your like over under win total literally once

603
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 4: in the last decade. That was Matt Naggi's twelve and

604
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: four year Like they you, this is an organizational thing

605
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 4: where you don't meet expectations year after year after year.

606
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Speaker 4: Don't tell me how coveted you are.

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00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: Come on, Yeah, watching that, I felt like I was

608
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: getting sucked down to as if I was sitting in there.

609
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: I felt like I was getting scolded by a parent.

610
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Speaker 3: I felt like I was in the Mike Holmgren press

611
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: conference in Cleveland way back in the day when he

612
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: told everybody don't come calling me for playoff tickets when

613
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Speaker 3: they were struggling as they did for much of that decade.

614
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: M little too arrogant maybe is the word for where

615
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Speaker 3: you are as a franchise. Right now, let's let the

616
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Speaker 3: proof speak for itself first and go earn that first.

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Speaker 4: Now, now I'm totally on board with him backing polls.

618
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: Warren arrived there after polls, and so he's new to

619
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Speaker 4: this and former Big Ten commissioner, and he wants to

620
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Speaker 4: believe it's a new era and he's saying we will

621
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Speaker 4: get it right. But as we've seen with these teams,

622
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Speaker 4: the teams that struggle and keep making the same mistakes,

623
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Speaker 4: you have to prove it to us that you're doing

624
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Speaker 4: something different for us to believe it, because all you

625
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 4: have to go on is history. In the history with

626
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: the Bears, it's obvious. Or you could change your owners

627
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 4: like Washington didn't. Then suddenly you're like, oh, okay, now

628
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: I believe you because it's new ownership. But that's not

629
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Speaker 4: happening here. Let's talk about the Baltimore Ravens. Interesting note

630
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Speaker 4: from that game we didn't talk about on the recap

631
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Speaker 4: show is Deontay Johnson didn't play a single snap. Maybe

632
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: we did talk about that. I lose track of things.

633
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 4: John Harbaught was asked about the fact that Deandrey Johnson

634
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 4: was active but literally didn't play a snap there had

635
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 4: a very interesting answer.

636
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 7: At this time, I'm gonna have to wait just to

637
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 7: clarify it. There's there's some moving parts there that that

638
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 7: we're gonna have to figure out and explore and just

639
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 7: see where we're at.

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Speaker 4: I know it's not the question the answer you want,

641
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: but it's the best.

642
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 7: I can do in fairness to everybody right now.

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00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: No, that's weird.

644
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 4: What Sometimes you're in a press conference or I've watched

645
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: these press companies, you know, reporter asked the question that

646
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: it's like someone's got to ask it, like whether it's

647
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 4: gonna be Jeff, is it going to be you know, Mary, Like,

648
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: who's going to ask this? Asked the Deontay Johnson question.

649
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 4: It's just kind of perfunctory and it's like, Oh, your

650
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 4: coach gives you, Like then the coach just gives you

651
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Speaker 4: that answer, which is basically, oh, Deantay Johnson's never going

652
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: to play for the Ravens again. I don't think based

653
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 4: on that answer that they're working out something contractually, suspension whatever.

654
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: I don't know what's happening. They actually followed up about

655
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: it and he said it'll be sorted out in the

656
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 4: next couple of days and just sounds like it's a

657
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 4: disaster for Deontay Johnson at least.

658
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it's a guy who has one catch

659
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: for six yards in four games five games with the Ravens.

660
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: Now they go to Tyland Wallace at one point during

661
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: the last game when they desperately need another receiver after

662
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: Shaan Bateman goes down and he's nowhere to be found. Weird.

663
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: It's weird because he was actually having a nice year

664
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: in Carolina. He was their best weapon once Adam Thielen

665
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: went out, and then he got traded because he had

666
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: some value to him for a Panthers team that wasn't

667
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: going anywhere. And then he goes to Baltimore and Dore's

668
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing, is probably on his way out. Weird.

669
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: He got traded for virtually nothing. It was like a

670
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 4: conditional six seventh I haven't looked, but he's not going

671
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: to meet those conditions, so it literally might turn into nothing.

672
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 4: It just sounded complicated, and you just wonder where Deontay's

673
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 4: Johnson's head is at what happened here, because this is

674
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 4: a guy who's been very productive forty seven hundred career

675
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: receiving yards in six seasons. That's you know every season

676
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 4: he's six seven, eight hundred yards. When I did the

677
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 4: top fifty free agency, like I thought, he's going to

678
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: be one of the best wide receivers out there, but

679
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: he's had about as bad a franchise well or year

680
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 4: that you could have. Contact.

681
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that. And it's an organization in Baltimore that

682
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: usually does well with these types of additions, Like they've

683
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: brought in a number of veterans over the last ten

684
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: to fifteen years that usually thrive or produce at some

685
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: level and get acclimated to what's going on there culture wise.

686
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 3: This is like the first that just completely flopped in

687
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: my at least recent memory.

688
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 4: Right, it's a good call. Sometimes, Nick, I'm at home

689
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 4: on Mondays and I see a quote like a postgame presser,

690
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 4: and I was like, I wish we kind of talked

691
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 4: about that on Sunday. So let's hear from Lamar Jackson,

692
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 4: who did exactly that for me this afternoon. Hard looking back,

693
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 4: you feel like there were some opportunities to run today

694
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 4: for you.

695
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 6: That you may have passed up.

696
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, my moment just told me that just cuts me out,

697
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 8: So like I'm mad, So like we gonna get after it.

698
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 8: I ain't gonnat to it. We're gonna get after it.

699
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 8: I can't wait to get them get on. We got

700
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 8: the giants coming up. I'm ready to go, Like I'm

701
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 8: just ready to go.

702
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 6: So what did she cuts you out about?

703
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 8: She said it was lanes. I should have took a rant,

704
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 8: But you know, I just trying to let guys develop rouths.

705
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 8: We had developing routes. I'm just trying to go through

706
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 8: my progression. But yes, you're right, I'm gonna do.

707
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: My mama knows the pain in Lamar Jackson, like you

708
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 4: felt it in his chest when he when he brought

709
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 4: that up. And it's kind of great that his mom

710
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 4: is the one immediately after the game giving him hard criticism.

711
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 4: Same as ever. I mean this, he's about as close

712
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 4: with his mom in terms of she was his agent

713
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 4: and everything grow growing up. And she's still the one

714
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 4: being like, take those eight yard runs, Lamar, Like they

715
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 4: were right there in front of you, but you understood

716
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 4: what he was getting at, waiting for the receivers to

717
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 4: run their routes.

718
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, if anybody's gonna light a fire under Lamar Jackson,

719
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: apparently it's his mom. And you know what he'll probably

720
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: take your advice. He's become less of a like run

721
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: first guy over the last couple of years, despite that

722
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: being you know, like the reputation or the criticism of him,

723
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: and he's become he's proved himself as an excellent passer,

724
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: especially the last you know, eighteen months or so. But

725
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: I'd like to see a little bit more runn because

726
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: I think he could have done some damage in that game.

727
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 4: Well, just when it's there, when it's the right play, right.

728
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 4: That quote actually, I wanted to put it on the

729
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 4: show too, because it does make me think that sometimes

730
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 4: in these big games, he is in his own head

731
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: a little bit, like he's not always making the right

732
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 4: football play. And I think what Lamar's mom was getting at.

733
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 4: And she's watched him obviously and knows his game better

734
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 4: than anyways, Like that was the right football play on

735
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 4: a number of them, and he was so locked in

736
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 4: to letting the receivers like develop their routes that he

737
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 4: wasn't he wasn't taking the profits, you know, wasn't he

738
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 4: wasn't taking the guaranteed money on a lot of those plays,

739
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 4: and he forced some passes and he's just been in

740
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 4: his own head a little bit in some of these games,

741
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: and you give a ton of credit to the Eagles

742
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 4: defense and what they did.

743
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want to take away one of the

744
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: greatest strengths that makes Lamar Jackson so special. By the way,

745
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: Like when you have a mobile quarterback like that, and

746
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: especially one who is evasive and slippery as he is,

747
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: you wish you had a twelfth defender on the field.

748
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: So why limit yourself. I want hit to see him

749
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: improve that before the playoffs, just because that kind of

750
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: reminds me of what happened in that weird game against

751
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: Kansas City that they lost in the AFC Championship game

752
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: last year. You got to get better, you know, after

753
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 3: losing a game like that last year, And you know,

754
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: right now there's some reason to be thinking. I don't know,

755
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're going to quite get back there,

756
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: but I think they will have the talent to it.

757
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 3: He's gonna have to play a part in that.

758
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 5: Well.

759
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 4: It reminded me of the Steelers game from just a

760
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago. Yeah, so he's got some big

761
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 4: games down the stretch, and you're right, I think it'd

762
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 4: be big for him to play his best in the

763
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 4: biggest games down the stretch, and man, it just feels

764
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 4: like the Ravens kind of like this Broncos team tonight.

765
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 4: It's just like they needed a break. This Broncos team

766
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 4: needed a break. The Ravens especially. I feel like they're

767
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 4: in the biggest game of the week every single week

768
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 4: and they're not always at their best. As good as

769
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson has been this year, the Lions have gotten

770
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 4: pretty close to being at their best. So though they

771
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 4: could have lost that game to the Bears on Thanksgiving afterwards,

772
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 4: there was a little bit of a controversy that Jamir

773
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 4: Gibbs had a TikTok post that showed some of his

774
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 4: offensive playbooks, some of the calls protection calls. Dan Campbell

775
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 4: was asked about it today. This was with Costa and

776
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 4: Jansen on Odyssey's ninety seven point one the Ticket.

777
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 6: I don't really give a crap. I mean, if we're

778
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 6: going to lose because of code words, then we're not

779
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 6: good enough anyway. So I think we'll just post the

780
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 6: whole freaking playbook out there and every code word we've got,

781
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 6: and it doesn't matter. It's not going to hurt us,

782
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 6: it won't affect us.

783
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 4: I love it. I just love Dan Campbell.

784
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: I look forward to finding the pdf downloadable pdf of

785
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: the Lions playbook. Can't wait to peruse that.

786
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 4: I mean it was It's not like you're going to

787
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 4: get the whole thing, but there were there were some

788
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 4: call I think they're gonna have to change some code

789
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 4: words of like what the different line moves and stuff.

790
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 3: I did not you imagine the practice, all right, guys

791
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: instead of doing this today because of Jamiir being an

792
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 3: idiot on social media, we are now spending time changing words.

793
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: So this is now this, let's wrap.

794
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 4: It's It's true like some of these teams, they don't

795
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: change their audibles for like two three years. I'm always

796
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 4: surprised about that. Some teams change it all the time.

797
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 4: I'm always surprised when it's just like, I guess it works.

798
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 4: You don't, you don't have to change it. Maybe maybe

799
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 4: he's right, maybe it really doesn't matter. But Dan Campbell

800
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: confirmed badass, also a badass. Taysom Hill bad news was

801
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 4: confirmed on Monday. According to Ian Rappaport, Hill towards ACL

802
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 4: some other damage there too, as a devastating injury, really disappointing.

803
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 4: Hope to see him in a Saints uniform at some

804
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 4: point next season. Christian McCaffrey, we're not going to see

805
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 4: him for the rest of the year. A confirmed tourn PCL.

806
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 4: He will not need surgery inter a nick but he

807
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: will not return this year. But there wasn't a surprise

808
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 4: along with that news that Jordan Mason is also out

809
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 4: for the year with a shoulder injury. So this forty

810
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 4: nine Ers backfield turns to Isaac Grendo. They're five and seven,

811
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 4: technically only two games out in the NFC West, but

812
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 4: that that is a double barrel blow there.

813
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Isaac Grendel had a nice little touchdown run in

814
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: the Buffalo game, even though it was out of hand

815
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: at that point. Yeah, you know, another blow to the

816
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 3: forty nine ers, and especially a tough one for Christian

817
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 3: McCaffrey who had to wait so long just to play

818
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: because the achilles calf thing that he was, you know,

819
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: they were treating carefully. And he finally comes back and

820
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 3: if you saw the clip of the you know, the

821
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 3: play in which he officially knew that his knee was done,

822
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: where he takes a toss and just immediately goes down.

823
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: It's just a huge bummer for especially for such a

824
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 3: special player like that. I mean it's a big blow

825
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: to the Madden cover curse too, because he was on

826
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: the cover of that game this year. I mean, it's

827
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 3: just there's nothing good about this, just like there's not

828
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 3: much good from this forty nine er season. It just

829
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: keeps getting more difficult.

830
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 4: I gotta say, the people that took McCaffrey number one

831
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 4: overall in fantasy are all last place. Well yeah, that

832
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 4: and they're all mad about the lack of information that

833
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 4: was out there. And Kyle Sheening, I would say, and

834
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 4: this would be true of fantasy maybe all fantasy sports,

835
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 4: like literally never draft a person first overall if they're

836
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 4: hurt at the point like you're getting drafted top.

837
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: And savior draft until the day like the Sunday before

838
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: Week one by yourself as much.

839
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 4: Even then that this year that like we we didn't

840
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 4: know he was even out one until we got there,

841
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 4: so there was like no saving that. But here's a

842
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 4: guy with a long history of injury that missed basically

843
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 4: all all of training came. I think it's it's always

844
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 4: better to be cautious, Like there's other good players out

845
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 4: there that are fully, fully healthy just take just take them. Uh,

846
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 4: don't don't blame the fantasy experts. Taysom Hill, as I mentioned,

847
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 4: was the injury that the other injuries I wanted to

848
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: get to. Dexter Lawrence is headed to injured reserve. We

849
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 4: just did not hit that. Since that news came out

850
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: as disappointing. I think he had a chance at the

851
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 4: Defensive Player of the Year. I still think he has

852
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 4: a chance at all Pro defensive tackle. That's how good

853
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: he was. They also lost their rookie tight end, Theo Johnson,

854
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 4: who'd been having a nice year for the rest of

855
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 4: the season. So a bad Giants team gets even worse.

856
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers will remain the starter for the Jets, the

857
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 4: team announced today Malcolm Rodriguez. It also tore his ACL.

858
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 4: The Lions backup. We'll talk about the Lions Packers game,

859
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: but they are really banged up. That'll be part of

860
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 4: our Tuesday show with Jordan Rodrieg and Steve Weish. We

861
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: also have QB Island coming back. Maybe we'll talk a

862
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 4: little Rams with Jordan. I don't know, probably not, And

863
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: we already talked Emmanuel Forbes getting claimed on this show

864
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 4: the number one pick of the Washington Commanders. Just a

865
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: year ago Nick was cut and the Rams picked him up.

866
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 4: Actually could see him like being on the field for

867
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 4: the Rams. They could use the corner. You never know.

868
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: It reminds of them taking a flyer on Tradavious White

869
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: and realizing that didn't work.

870
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, sure, okay, sure, sure, like ten years older.

871
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 4: It's always weird when like just gets kind a year later.

872
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 4: That almost never happens, So we'll see. He was an

873
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 4: interesting prospect that I think the Rams were high on,

874
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 4: like a lot of teams. That's it for the news.

875
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 4: Let's get Let's get to our MVP.

876
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 3: Ladder, all right.

877
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 4: Each week, I want to go over where we're at

878
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 4: in the MVP rankings as of right now, just a

879
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 4: little bit of a snapshot, going from five to one.

880
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 4: If you're an Associated Press voter, you do vote for

881
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 4: five different players, and so that to me is really

882
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 4: interesting because the three four, five spot, like, it's intriguing.

883
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 4: If you want to start with your ladder, I'll listen

884
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: to you first and we'll go back and forth. Let's

885
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: go for it.

886
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 3: Do you go pick by pick or do we go

887
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: all five?

888
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: I just go for it. Do your whole five all right.

889
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: Number five Joe Burrow. Despite the fact that the Bengals stink,

890
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: he has not stunk. Three and thirty seven passing yards,

891
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: thirty five touchdown interception Ratio's played excellent football. If they

892
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: were a winning football team, he'd be very much in

893
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: the conversation right now. So I'm still gonna give miss

894
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: Flowers consideration, honorable mention, whatever you want it to be.

895
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: He's number five for me.

896
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 4: Okay, I thought about that, and now I changed my mind.

897
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 4: I do want to go back and forth.

898
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: It would be better.

899
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 4: Yes, I thought about that. He was probably five or

900
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 4: six for me. I ended up going justin Jefferson as

901
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 4: my number five. Joe Burrow's been awesome this year. He's

902
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 4: clearly one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL.

903
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 4: That that last game he had was so typical of

904
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 4: his season because he played excellent. You can't blame almost

905
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 4: anything on him. And yet, and yet he was involved

906
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 4: with the pick six and involved with a couple other

907
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: turn of vers There's always these little and yet so

908
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 4: I do think there's a difference between the voting for

909
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: All Pro and voting for MVP. I do think MVP

910
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: has to do with with helping your team win. And

911
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 4: as much as it's the rest of the team that's

912
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 4: let him down because of that, he's had to do

913
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 4: too much. I'm just picking knits. I mean, he to

914
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 4: me is my number.

915
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: Three quarter right there, you're picking knits.

916
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 4: Right, He's my number three quarterback in the league. I

917
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 4: just think for my MVP ladder, I'd rather go with

918
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 4: other positions. I have a couple other positions.

919
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're gonna go with Jefferson, right, And I'm

920
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: gonna jump in front real quick, because since we're comparing

921
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: this to Burrow, Jefferson has been all but eliminated from

922
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 3: a few games recently because they know how much Sam Donald. Right,

923
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 3: But that's he played a big part in that comeback

924
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: win over the Cardinals. But and I know that's that

925
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: is typical of football at times. But to make a

926
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: receiver an MVP candidate, that's that's.

927
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: Why he's five. That's why he's five. It's a big

928
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 4: drop off from the top top three. Especially yes, he's

929
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 4: still second in the league and receiving yards. And when

930
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 4: I think of value and how important he is, he

931
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 4: is more important than their quarterback for instance, and the

932
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 4: gravity that he has You see that week after week

933
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 4: after week, the whole point of every game plan is

934
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 4: to stop Jameis I mean to stop Justin Jefferson and

935
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 4: how much attention he gets, and they still find a

936
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 4: way to get him one hundred yards. He's still second

937
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 4: in the NFL to Jamar Chase. So he is my

938
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 4: number five. Give me your number.

939
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 3: Four, my number four. You know, I'm thinking a bunch

940
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: of mar Chase's candidacy, but already said Joe Burrow, my

941
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: numb four is gonna be Dereck Henry. It's almost chalk

942
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: at this point. But I mean he's had a hell

943
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: of a year, you know with the Ravens. His first

944
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: year in Baltimore. He's got fourteen hundred and seven yards rushing,

945
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 3: thirteen touchdowns. He's chipped in one hundred and twenty five

946
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: receiving yards. I mean, he has balanced this offense out

947
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 3: so well with Lamar Jackson. That's made this rushing attack

948
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 3: even more potent than it was in the past. But

949
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: when they had Gus Edwards and you know those types,

950
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: and I mean he's been fanning. This is a guy

951
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: who should be out of gas. Like he's approaching thirty.

952
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 3: He's had an incredible amount of carries going back to

953
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 3: his days at Alabama. This shouldn't be happening. It's like

954
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 3: that old tweet that says Lebron's gonna be thirty five soon.

955
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: We're almost done with this and then they're not. It's

956
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: the same thing. So he won't win it, and I

957
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: think part of that is because he's on the same

958
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 3: team as my maybe next guy in the latter we'll see.

959
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 3: But at the same time, he's had such a phenomenal

960
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: year at this age with this team, I can't help

961
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 3: but recognize him.

962
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 4: I like that you didn't say Lamar's name there, as

963
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 4: if Rashad Bateman was potentially coming out flowers like maybe

964
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 4: Ronnie Stanley if you wanted to get spicy, I didn't

965
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 4: have Henry. You know, that's a totally valid guy to

966
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 4: have in your top five, and I think if the

967
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 4: season ended today, he would get some top five votes.

968
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 4: I love that now that we end up seeing like

969
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: a top ten of the MVP rankings. The Lamar factor.

970
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 4: To me, Lamar is helping Henry even more than vice

971
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 4: versa in this particular case, and so he just got

972
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 4: knocked off a little bit, but totally great pick. I

973
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 4: have paday Sewell number four. I've been banging the drum

974
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 4: for him as an Offensive Player of the Year candidate,

975
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 4: so I'll throw him here in the MVP as well.

976
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 4: I think it's totally fine to make the award what

977
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 4: you want. And to me, he is representing the Lions

978
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 4: on some level and that offensive line on some level.

979
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 4: But also he's the best at what he does in

980
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 4: the entire NFL, and so I think it's totally fair

981
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 4: if voters want to put them on their ballot. He's

982
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 4: my number four.

983
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 3: You know, I think you've often said it and you're

984
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: representing it right now. Be the change you want to

985
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: see in the world. What I'm saying throwing an offensive

986
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: lineman in there. Look, you're speaking to my heart. I

987
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: just know it's never going to happen. But if you

988
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: why not treat it this way? I know, if you

989
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: want to, you can. Let's make everybody else think this way.

990
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 4: I know, I know you're out there, Josh Dubo. If

991
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 4: that's how you pronounce it, if the Associated Press he listens,

992
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 4: can I get a vote please? Or or at least

993
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 4: maybe this will influence some voters.

994
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 3: Who knows one for the pod.

995
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 4: Why not, Yeah, I'll take I mean when I was

996
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 4: at NBC, I'm not going to name names, but let's

997
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 4: say some people had votes there that didn't follow football

998
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 4: that closely and it got passed around a little bit.

999
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 4: So I did. I did contribute sometimes to uh, to

1000
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 4: some of those you could probably guess, all right, give

1001
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 4: me your number three.

1002
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 3: It's clearly my number three is going to be Lamar.

1003
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: And you know, I think you make a great point

1004
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 3: that Henry and Lamar. I think they'll cancel each other

1005
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: out ultimately. At one point, probably about a month ago,

1006
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 3: I felt Lamar was almost running away with it. And

1007
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: we've seen some other players rise toward the cream of

1008
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 3: the crop here and make it very interesting. But when

1009
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: you look statistically, oh man, it's tough, Like it's tough

1010
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: to not have him in there. Ninety passing yards, twenty

1011
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: ninety three touchdown interception ratio, it's got six hundred and

1012
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: seventy eight yards rushing and three rushing touchdowns. I mean,

1013
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 3: he's doing it all, he really is. It's just that

1014
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: he also has another candidate on his roster that's going

1015
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: to make it a little more difficult, and they're not

1016
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: as consistent as a team as I think that most

1017
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 3: people would want from an MVP candidate. Now we still

1018
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 3: have these remaining weeks before we decide that, but he

1019
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: definitely gonna be in the running.

1020
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, you can look at different stats, like

1021
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 4: he's I think fourth in QBR it depends, you know,

1022
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 4: PF's maybe not like quite as high. And yet he's

1023
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 4: clearly better than he was a year ago when he

1024
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 4: won the MVP. Like, there's no question to me. I

1025
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 4: think he's a very strong third and absolutely has a

1026
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: good chance to win the MVP. Still, if he's the

1027
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 4: best player over the next five weeks by a decent margin,

1028
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 4: then he's gonna win it. In my mind, how he

1029
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 4: did last year, right, the five losses to me does

1030
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 4: not eliminate him. He's just been fantastic. Who has played

1031
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 4: the position, you know, at the most consistent level. I

1032
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: actually think that's Josh Allen for me, who you know,

1033
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: spoiler alert is ahead. But Lamar at his best, I

1034
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 4: think has been the very best this year. So he's

1035
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 4: number three and he's close. I'm gonna throw my two

1036
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 4: out there. I bet it's you know, we have the

1037
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 4: same final two. I have Saquin Barkley as my two.

1038
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 4: I went back and worth with this. I don't want

1039
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 4: to get caught up with the whole word value valuable.

1040
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 4: It's in the name, I get it. But that's sort

1041
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 4: of where I went with Sewil too. You can decide

1042
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 4: how you want to interpret it. Yeah, if you're voting Barkley,

1043
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 4: I do think you're you're partly voting for the Eagles

1044
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 4: running game in the offensive line in a way too.

1045
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 4: But that he just absolutely supercharged and he is playing

1046
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 4: at a level at this position that we haven't seen

1047
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 4: since Ladanian, Tomlinson, Marshall Falk, you know, Adrian Peterson in

1048
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 4: his MVP year, Like that is what he's doing right now,

1049
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 4: maybe even better than some of those years. So it's

1050
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 4: hard for me to not put him number one. I

1051
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 4: really struggled because that's how special a year he's having.

1052
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 4: It's one A, one B for me, but Saquon for

1053
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 4: me is number two.

1054
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: We're going to invert these because I have Allen at

1055
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 3: number two and it doesn't really have to do with

1056
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 3: the numbers as much as what we've talked about so

1057
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 3: much on this show, which is how he is just

1058
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 3: a game changing talent for these Bills who can win

1059
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: in a number of different ways, and he can succeed

1060
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: in a number of different ways. He can throw the

1061
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 3: ball all over the yard. He's the most effective running

1062
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 3: running quarterback in the NFL, as you've said many times.

1063
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: And then they go out there and drop a ton

1064
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 3: of points on a snowy night against the forty nine ers,

1065
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: which just kind of, you know, adds an exclamation point

1066
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: to what we've talked about for a while here. I

1067
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: also think that he's done a really good job of

1068
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: overcoming the personnel changes, which is what we talked about

1069
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 3: a lot earlier in the season when they ran into

1070
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 3: some bumps in the road, and now they're just cruising

1071
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 3: and he's obviously at the center of it. But since

1072
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: you went Alan, you went with Saquon two, and I

1073
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 3: went Allent too. I'm just gonna tell you right now,

1074
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: Saquon's number one for me. So if we want to

1075
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 3: get back and forth about the comparing these two, I

1076
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 3: will happily point out that while you're absolutely right about,

1077
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: you know, incorporating the offensive line, or that we could

1078
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: talk about the Bills offensive line and how well they've

1079
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 3: protected Alan for most of this season. There in corporation

1080
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: of the running game, which is vastly different than where

1081
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: they were last year's. Basically, since Joe Brady took over,

1082
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 3: they've been a different offense. And James Cook has factored

1083
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: into that little bit of Ray Davis too. Shout out

1084
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: to Ray Davis, and I look at the Eagles and

1085
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 3: I look at Saquon Barkley. I watch an offense that

1086
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: lost Jason Kelcey this offseason, lost Isaac Samala, which okay,

1087
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 3: near replacement level guard if you want to talk about

1088
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: him like that. They replaced him with McKay beck, and

1089
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: they replace Kelsey with Cam Jurgens. Okay, They've dealt with

1090
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 3: injuries in the offensive line at times, and yet Saquon

1091
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 3: has looked head and shoulders, knees and toes and a

1092
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: ten foot wall outside, higher and better than where they

1093
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: were with DeAndre Swift, where they were with Miles Sanders

1094
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: like he is. I watch him run every week, and

1095
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: I think, God, I wish he wouldn't have spent all

1096
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 3: those new years in New York. I feel like we

1097
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 3: were robbed of a surefire Hall of Fame career because

1098
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: of the time he was there. Now, Injuri's gotten the

1099
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 3: way of course too. But he's playing incredible football and

1100
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 3: closing games and doing a little bit of everything, so

1101
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 3: much that he got a Nike ad for reverse hurtling

1102
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 3: a guy while wearing Lebron's. Okay, this is my MVP

1103
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 3: if he continues at this rate, slam dunk MVP for me,

1104
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 3: and I don't care that he's a running back.

1105
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 4: I'm taking it all great points, it's all fair. It's

1106
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 4: why at this point in time where I totally get it,

1107
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 4: maybe I'm baking in that. Can he keep this up?

1108
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 4: It's such a crazy pace. It's not just the seventy

1109
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 4: yard runs to ice the games, it's the nine yard

1110
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 4: runs that should have been four, just over and over.

1111
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 4: He's special. He could make the Hall of Fame by

1112
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 4: the way shook. I think he's on pace for.

1113
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: It, but it would have been guaranteed by now.

1114
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 4: The numbers are going to have to come down with

1115
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 4: running backs, kind of like the bar went up with quarterbacks,

1116
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And because he's going to

1117
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 4: be if he's one of the two or three best

1118
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 4: at his position over an eight year period, let's say

1119
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 4: those guys make the Hall of Fame. And to me,

1120
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 4: he has a good chance to do that, especially if

1121
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 4: he can rack up an MVP or an Offensive Player

1122
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 4: of the Year season this year in another good season

1123
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 4: or two in Philadelphia, so I think he has a

1124
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 4: chance to I just look at Josh Allen and think

1125
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 4: how valuable he is in the running game and in

1126
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: the red zone and as a receiver, and I just

1127
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 4: think that it just puts it over the top of

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00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 4: the where it's so hard for me to give it

1129
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 4: to I guess a running back when a quarterback is

1130
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 4: having a superlative season like this for Josh Allen. But

1131
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 4: they're one A, one B and the MVP race is

1132
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 4: just getting going. So I think we can talk about

1133
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 4: it in future weeks and it's it's it's razor thin

1134
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 4: because it does matter to me, like what player what

1135
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 4: describes the regular season the best, like in terms of

1136
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 4: what is the most signature part of this season, And

1137
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 4: I think that's to be determined, but say that's an

1138
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 4: argument for Saquon because the way the Eagles have been

1139
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 4: ending these games, to me, is one of the most

1140
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 4: memorable things we will absolutely remember for years and years

1141
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 4: and years, and he is the key to it all.

1142
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 4: So you almost can vince me, but it's a good thing.

1143
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 4: It doesn't really matter. It's after week thirteen. It only

1144
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 4: matters for this podcast. In this video, we'll revisit that.

1145
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll do another award next week. We'll do Defensive

1146
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 4: Player or something else, and then we'll circle back to

1147
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 4: MVP because one thing I learned when I used to

1148
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 4: do the MVP Ladder each and every week on NFL

1149
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 4: dot Com, you start running out. You start just repeating

1150
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 4: the same thing.

1151
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 3: So oh, sounds sounds like what I run to in

1152
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 3: QB and Nick sometimes.

1153
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 4: All right, let's wrap it up. It is absolutely time

1154
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 4: for your favorite part of the week, Captain's Corner, presented

1155
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 4: by Captain Morgan. I'm gonna get us going. You weren't

1156
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 4: expecting this one. I'm gonna give it to zach Ertz.

1157
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 4: You're like, zach Ertz. Why zach Ertz. You know what

1158
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 4: zach Ertz did this weekend. He had a fiftieth career

1159
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 4: touchdown pass. What were you going to answer?

1160
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say.

1161
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 4: Okay, and I started looking up, like, oh, how's zach

1162
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 4: Ertz doing this season? Because he's been pretty good red

1163
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 4: zone threat for them in general. Fifty two catches one

1164
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 4: hundred and one yards, four touchdowns. I thought this guy's career,

1165
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 4: speaking of Lebron and those tweets of you know, thinking

1166
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 4: it was done at thirty five, I thought he was

1167
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 4: done done, and I mean really done, like we're making

1168
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 4: Twitter jokes about him done over the last couple of years,

1169
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 4: fighting through injuries, not looking like his body could just

1170
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 4: hold up, and that he could be an effective player

1171
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 4: for a good team anymore. When he was out there

1172
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 4: in Arizona, he averaged six point nine yards per catch

1173
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 4: last year, and to see him out there, it's sort

1174
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 4: of just representing to me the players who are in

1175
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 4: it for the love of it, that are playing this

1176
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 4: deep into their career, like a Kalas Campbell, just because

1177
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 4: what are they going to do in their life that

1178
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 4: is more fun than this and getting it done at

1179
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 4: a very high level, and being a key role player

1180
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 4: for a rookie quarterback who might be the offensive rookie

1181
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 4: the year. This dude has had so many different lives,

1182
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 4: one of them, you know, breaking my heart with an

1183
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 4: absolutely killer catch in the Super Bowl for the Eagles.

1184
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 4: That was a while ago. He was a rookie back

1185
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 4: in twenty thirteen. I mean he was with Chip Kelly,

1186
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 4: like was see with Michael Vick on that team. It's

1187
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 4: been a while, so just shout out to Zach Ertz, you're.

1188
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 3: My ch you know. It's it's funny because if you

1189
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 3: if you look at him this year, people will be like, well,

1190
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 3: he just needed a change of scenery. He needed to

1191
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: leave Arizona. He followed his old coach to Washington, essentially

1192
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 3: like he went from the Cardinals where he struggled to

1193
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 3: injuries and wasn't a huge factor after getting dumped by

1194
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 3: the Eagles who couldn't pay him anymore, and he cried

1195
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 3: on his way out, which understandably, so he loved it

1196
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 3: there and now he's having a little bit of a

1197
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 3: rebirth year. He doesn't look like the same guy he

1198
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 3: once was, but he's crafty and he's finding way to

1199
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 3: make it work.

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00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 4: And he's healthy. I think that's what it is sometimes

1201
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 4: for the older guys, like if you have the body

1202
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 4: like a Marcedes Lewis.

1203
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 3: For that's what the compo was gonna make is a

1204
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: little bit of a Marceades Lewis ark.

1205
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 4: Here, like he's just a physical freak that could like

1206
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 4: his body could keep getting it done. Year after year,

1207
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 4: and zach Ertz, after being hurt for a few years,

1208
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 4: has found good health. Soch'ers toe u Zacher. It's always

1209
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 4: one of my favorites.

1210
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 3: Speaking of Marceides Lewis, real quick before I do my

1211
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 3: captain ten years ago, Greg, I was in the NFL

1212
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 3: newsroom ten years ago after right after you'd hired me

1213
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 3: about six months in, and I remember sitting there with

1214
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 3: our former colleague, good friend Will Robinson, and we described

1215
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: Marceades Lewis catching a pass and right on the sideline

1216
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: as a plotting tight end, plotting two d's. He's still

1217
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: plotting through the NFL right now. So if he can

1218
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 3: do it, you can do it too, zach Er. It's

1219
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 3: good for you.

1220
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Speaker 4: I'm old enough to remember when people said Marcedes Lewis

1221
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 4: was a bust in Jacksonville. Now he's still out there.

1222
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 4: He's still out there twenty.

1223
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: Ten special teams and everything else. All right, My Captain

1224
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 3: of the week, gonna go bit of a deep dive

1225
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: here relevant right now because of what he did in

1226
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 3: the Jets Seahawks game. And is Canayan wang Wu, who

1227
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 3: was one of my favorite kick returners way back in

1228
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. When he played for the Vikings. He

1229
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 3: had a couple of kick return touchdowns that season and

1230
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: then kind of faded into the background. He's got one

1231
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 3: since then in twenty until Sunday when he comes down

1232
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 3: and he forces a fumble on kick coverage and then

1233
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 3: not long thereafter, he takes a kickback for a touchdown,

1234
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 3: his fourth of his career. You probably don't know his name. Well,

1235
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 3: he's one of those guys you're getting mad and you're like, oh,

1236
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: look at that speed. Ready, I'm just gonna turn him

1237
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: into a stud running back over time. But in real

1238
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 3: life he's a hell of a kick returner. And he

1239
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 3: got back in the spotlight on Sunday in a close

1240
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 3: loss for the Jets. He really gave them a spark

1241
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 3: at the time. Good on you for getting on that team.

1242
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 3: You're a new guy there and you're making an impact instantly.

1243
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 3: So you're my captain for the week. Oh and also Greg,

1244
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 3: I don't like to do this often, but I have

1245
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 3: two bonus captains.

1246
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 4: Wow okay.

1247
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 3: One is a member of the show, Colleen Wolf for

1248
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 3: going a perfect sixteen and oher in game picks this week.

1249
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 3: I believe it's the first time the Thanksgiving week. I

1250
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: believe it's the first time that anybody's ever done it

1251
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 3: in the history of picks. Have to confirm that with

1252
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: Sean Shoppy over on the YouTube side. But also I'm

1253
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 3: the other captain because I went sixteen and oh two

1254
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 3: in great company with Colleen. Let's go perfect game.

1255
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Speaker 4: That was just a long winded way of craving your

1256
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 4: foe from the drapers. Yes, it was Connie's celebrating actually

1257
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 4: in New Orleans right now as part of some NFL trip.

1258
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 4: I'm not really sure what's going on, but she's not

1259
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 4: gonna be in the studio tomorrow because she's working in

1260
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 4: New Orleans. What a place to celebrate a sixteen and

1261
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 4: oer record. An awesome job by Shooki and Colleen. That

1262
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 4: was the Captain's Corner presented by Captain Morgan's Delicious in Chris.

1263
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 4: Perfect for your game day with your friends. Spice it up.

1264
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 4: Visit Captain Morgan dot com to find a Captain near you.

1265
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 4: Please drink responsibly talking to you, Colleen. What a couple

1266
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 4: of captains, Shookie and Colleen. That's it for today. Like

1267
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 4: I said, we will be back on Tuesday with Jordan

1268
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 4: Rodrigue of the Athletics. Steve Weiss'll be in the building

1269
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 4: doing a little QB Island, doing a little Lions and

1270
01:00:55,120 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 4: Packers preview, and yeah, when Jamis Winston is making unforgettable

1271
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Speaker 4: touchdowns and pick sixes, football is finally back.