WEBVTT - S1: Bonus Ep 2 - Brian Entin Talks True Crime 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:03.640 Before we begin today, I want to say our thoughts 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:08.600 are with everyone in Los Angeles grappling with the devastating wildfires. 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.920 This episode was recorded before the fires began, but I 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.160 felt they would not be right to not acknowledge the 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:19.079 current events. It's a stark reminder of how fragile life 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:23.840 can be. Our hearts are with you. This is Sloane 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:27.920 Glass post of American homicide. In this episode, we're doing 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.200 something different. Rather than look back at cases, we're looking ahead. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.879 It's the start of a new year, and we have 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:39.239 highlighted three cases we believe will define true crime in 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.080 twenty twenty five. To discuss the status and implications of 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.400 these cases, I am joined today by Brian Enton. Brian 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.920 is the senior national correspondent at News Nation. He's a 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.200 former colleague of mine and a friend. Brian is an 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:58.520 incredible journalist and he has personally covered all of these stories. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.080 The first is a story that captured the nation's attention 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.560 at the end of the year, the killing of United 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:09.319 Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Luigi Mangioni has been charged in 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:13.200 that case and has pled not guilty. Brian and I 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:17.480 discuss what is next for Mangioni. Our second case involves 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:22.759 the mysterious death of Ellen Greenberg in twenty eleven. Ellen 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:27.040 was found with twenty stab wounds. Her death was curiously 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.039 ruled to be a suicide, even though many of those 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:35.440 wounds were in her back. After multiple appeals and legal battles, 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.920 the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court has agreed to review that 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:43.520 suicide ruling. This year. For our third case, we discussed 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:47.240 the upcoming trial of Brian Coberger, the man accused of 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:51.800 killing four University of Idaho students in twenty twenty two. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.560 Brian Enton is an expert on the Coburger case and 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.640 lets us know what we can expect. Here is my 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:03.520 conversation with Brian Brian Entton, thank you for doing this 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:05.720 episode of American Homicide with me. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:07.760 Yeah, thank you so much for having me son. It's 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:08.800 so cool to be here with you. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.000 I like to do all my research for true crime 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.080 on Reddit, as we all do. Right, That's where I 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:16.799 like to see what are the people saying. It's a 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.440 vibe check. Almost every story I look up, someone has 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:25.120 commented well, according to Brian Anton. According to Brian Anton. 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.480 Well, and the thing with Reddit and with people on 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.919 TikTok too, and on x you have people who are 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.440 so interested in the cases and so invested, and they'll 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.760 stay up all night going through public records and finding 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.680 out things that even I didn't know about family members 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.240 and people connected to the cases, and then they'll send 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.160 me tips. So it's it's like, sometimes I feel like 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.240 I have this little army of people helping me, and 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.880 you can find really interesting stuff on Reddit you don't 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:49.720 even see on the news. 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.640 Are you still news daddy? Is that still Yeah? 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.640 That's still a thing, Yeah, news Daddy. And I used 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.519 to be so embarrassed of it. I don't know where 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:58.320 it came from, And now I'm just like, well, I 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.160 guess it's a you know, it's a thing. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:00.799 I guess you. 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.720 Know, there's a comfort level that I think you've been 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.239 able to give to people around really hard stories. Yeah. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.720 I think that they just feel like what you said, 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.280 that I'm just normal. You try to be professional where 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.080 journalists you want to, you know, stick to the facts, 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.280 but you'd be lying if you just try to say 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.920 you never got emotional or never felt anger, or never 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:21.840 related to some of the family members. 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:22.400 That kind of thing. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.560 I always saw that as an advantage. I thought it 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:26.200 was so strange when people to say, well, you have 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:27.760 to leave that at the door, you have to remove 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:28.680 yourself from it. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.160 Or even that you can't help people, like it's just 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:32.920 not who I am. Like, you know, you'll go out 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:34.600 and you'll meet these families and they might need help 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.800 with something like hey, do you know someone. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:37.160 Who does this? 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.000 Or you know we're really low on money, right, I 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.800 don't know. I just I can't just bet well line 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.400 is drawn. I'm a journalist. I mean, that's why I 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:46.000 can't do it. 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:49.400 Everything we do here is trying further in cases, these 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:53.480 families deserve that it doesn't just end when everyone else 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.720 is forgetting and moving on, and they deserve to have 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.160 those connections and for people to do investigative work to 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.320 try to see if they're something that someone else hasn't 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:01.800 picked up on. 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:02.080 Yeah. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.600 I try to be real and like respect the families 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.280 and what they're going through. And you know, when you're 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.640 in the middle of one of these cases, like with Coburger, 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.280 like before the arrest, you know, when the community is 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.160 so on edge, you just have to remember what people 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.160 are going through with the families are going through, and 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:19.960 I try not to take advantage. I mean, it's it's 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.640 not worth it for the story to be the first. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.440 Always I would lose sleep at night if I felt 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.640 like I put someone through more pain than they were 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.760 already going through, you know, like with with Coburger, I 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.599 just remembered this one story. When I went Kayleyanzov was 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.080 one of the victims. I became pretty close to her 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.919 parents while I was an idahoe and still now, and 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.640 before Brian Coburger was arrested, I was at their house. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.360 They lived near Quardelaine, which is a couple hours from Moscow, Idaho, 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.040 where the murders happened. And we were doing an interview. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.760 When we were talking and they showed me that Kaylee's 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.920 ashes were next to Maddie's ashes. They had them next 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.840 to each other. Yeah, because they were friends and they 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.280 just both families like Maddie didn't want parent didn't want 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.479 to take the ashes away from Kaylee's house, you know, 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.719 because they that gave them comfort. And so it was 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.000 really like an emotional thing to see. And we shot 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:15.360 it and it was going to be a really big 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.279 part of our story. And when we left, Kaylee's mom 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.200 called me and said, we really don't want you to 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:23.960 show that part like we thought about it and we 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.440 don't want like people to think that like Maddie's family 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.880 doesn't care about her something, because it was the opposite. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.360 That's why they kept you know. And anyway, of course, 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.960 no questions asked, Like I took it out, which I 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:35.719 think other people wouldn't have done that because in the 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:37.839 moment it was it was a really good, you know, 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.279 exclusive element that no one else had. But like you 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.040 were saying, when you stay on these cases for so long, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.520 it's not worth upsetting them, And then I would have 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.280 felt terrible about it if she asked to take it, 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.960 you know what I mean. Like the other crime reporters 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.400 and from the other TV networks and stuff will come in, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.520 you know how it is. They'll parachute in for a 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.559 couple of days, they'll do some live shots and stories, 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.600 and then they'll leave war with like Coburger and some 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.440 of the others. I've just stayed in those places, basically 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.920 moved to Idaho for a couple months and then been 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.760 to pretty much all of the court hearings. So I 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.560 think people kind of connect with that. They see that 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.039 I stay at these places and get really really invested. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.240 You stay in You're real. Yeah, you're not a scavenger 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.320 in any way. You connect with you I try. 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.120 Someone just yesterday called me a prostitute, which I had 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.640 never heard. I've never heard that phrase before. But then 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.560 I ended up because I ended up. Have you ever 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:24.200 heard of that before? 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:24.880 Too? 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.080 And I ended up becoming friends of the guy, and 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:28.880 like we bonded and he was cool with me after 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:29.359 we talked. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.120 Yeah, of course I want to talk more about Coburger 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.720 and everything surrounding that case later. 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:35.120 OK. 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.880 Today I want us to kind of look at and 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.640 think about the true crime cases that we should keep 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.120 an eye out for in twenty twenty five. And also 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.200 you are able to explain to everyone what it's been 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.960 like to cover some of these stories in a newsroom 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:55.200 environment in the field. It's impossible to start this without 0:06:55.560 --> 0:07:00.200 talking about Luigi Mangioni and what has happened in the 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.120 United Healthcare CEO shooting. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.800 Luigi man Jioni is pleaded not guilty to charges in 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.480 the cold blooded killing of the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.560 This is a story. I've never seen anything like this. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:15.880 When the video came out and you had like a 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.800 prominent CEO shot right there on the street, and it 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.480 was clear that he was targeted. I think the interest 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.320 level was really really high then, even we were covering 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.360 every single day and people were trying to figure out 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:27.760 who it was. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:29.600 We got a tip actually. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.600 That the killer might be from Atlanta, so they flew 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.960 me to Atlanta. And this is what people don't realize, 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:36.600 Like I was just sort of chilling in Atlanta because 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.280 we really thought I don't know if you remember that 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.080 they said that the bus went from Atlanta, and we 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.720 had some other tips, and we were even talk about Reddit. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.280 People were sending me photos of people in the Atlanta 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.720 area that looked like the guy in the surveillance video. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.040 We would go drive by their houses like we were 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.880 really investigating the Atlanta area. So I was in Atlanta 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.520 and then we got the call that they've got a 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.840 person of interest in Pennsylvania. So got the first flight 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.200 to Pennsylvania. But the newsroom was just was crazy. And 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.480 I think what's interesting is there was so much interest 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.880 in the story even before the arrest. And a lot 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.000 of times when there's an arrest, like it kind of 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.920 goes down because it's like, Okay, it's been solved, the 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.040 killer is not on the run anymore. But with this 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.120 it was like the opposite. I mean, it went crazy 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:23.920 when it ended up being Luigi Mangioni. 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.120 He has become a martyr to a lot of people. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:33.319 Yeah, there's like an obsession, and it's interesting. It's almost 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.440 mainstream in a way. It's not like it's, oh, there's 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.800 this weird, crazy cult and people who aren't showing their 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:41.720 faces doing this. It's like some people that I even know. 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:43.920 I don't know if it's the same for you who 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.559 have reposted some of these videos. You know, a lot 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.200 of people think he's really attractive, and I think a 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.880 lot of people have had bad experiences with their health 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.160 insurance and this is sort of an outlet for that. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.000 But it is disturbing. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.360 Have you ever seen so many photos come out of 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.920 someone right away, in terms of they took a photo 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.240 of him in the jail, they took a photo of 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.360 him outside, they took a photo of him like while 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:06.960 he was sitting in his jail cell that they release. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.559 I've never seen them an these photos like that. And 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.760 then when he arrived in New York City, it was 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:15.960 literally like a movie. I mean, you've got the mayor 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.120 there and the way they were there that. 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.840 Felt totally unnecessary, That felt like it was slimy. Eric, 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.520 I agree. I thought that that was a slimy move 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:25.880 from obviously for attention. 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.160 And why so many body? I mean there were like 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.400 people in swat gear, and I think they were trying 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:31.800 to make. 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:32.520 It into a scene. 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.280 Yes, And I think that those guys just wanted to 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.920 be a part of a big story. They wanted their 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.680 photo taken. He looks like an apostle. He looks like 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:46.080 he is being walked right into his crucifixion. Yes, surrounded 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:46.959 by apostles and. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.000 Yeah, and I saw some videos actually where they made 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.079 him into Jesus. Yeah, and you wonder what he's thinking, right, 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.680 is this the moment he was waiting for, like to 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:55.800 get this kind of attention. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:10:01.080 And then it turns out that the alleged shooter highly educated. 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.480 He's a great speaker. A lot of people think that 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:10.520 he's very good looking, and he's not in a very 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:14.040 apparent way leaning one direction or another in terms of 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:18.440 political parties. And I think that that made the story 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:22.000 a lot more nuanced. Some people were imagining that this 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:27.280 was someone who was very liberal, and it does speak 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.040 to the climate that we are in today. And I 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:34.800 think it's there's something about not viewing people one direction 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.559 or another about this story that I think is important. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.200 Yeah, I think so. And I think when the suspect 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:45.080 name comes out, we start in the newsroom searching. You know, 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.400 You've got researchers and people. Everybody's trying to figure out 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:48.240 who this guy is, who. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:48.640 The family is. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.240 And usually pretty soon you figure out like, oh, there's 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.960 he had this previous criminal charge, or oh something bad 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.480 happened or something. It was just so weird to everything 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.559 was great about this this guy everything, and we started 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.840 to I interviewed people very early on that right after 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:06.559 the arrest that went to high school with him. He 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.160 went to this prominent boarding school outside Baltimore, forty thousand 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.640 dollars a year, really hard to get into, and he 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.520 was the valedictorian, so he was at the top of 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.000 the class. He was a really really good wrestler, but 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.200 he was like a nice guy. They all said he 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.760 wasn't He wasn't like bullying people. You know how sometimes 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.360 those really cool, popular kids are like jerks. 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:26.520 He wasn't like that. 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.360 It's it's really rare. I was trying to think of. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.400 There's other stories, and sometimes people love to say no 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.680 one expected no one expected it. But there's always someone. 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:39.440 There's always some girl who's saying, actually, he was really weird, 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.240 or someone in their class who says, this person was 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.720 really off. And we have not heard that at all. No, 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.240 not in not in it's breaking all the all the 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:50.679 molds that I could have expected. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:51.280 Yeah. 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:51.440 Not. 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.600 In high school, we interviewed people that he went to 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:57.080 pen with. You know, we got two engineering degrees there. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:01.040 He got his bachelors and his masters, again described as great. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.120 He lived in Hawaii for quite some time at like 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.800 a surfing hostel, and everyone he lived with their said 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.600 the same thing. He was the leader of the book club. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.760 He was like everybody's best friend. 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.439 Was the reaction on social media? How did that translate 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:16.600 in the newsroom? How did they interpret that? 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:23.439 It's interesting. Some of our bosses are so shocked by 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.400 the people who love him and these fans that he has. 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.280 And I think some of the younger people are kind 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.920 of like understanding of it more as weird as that is, 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.960 and they don't agree with it. But I think I think, like, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.280 I don't know, maybe it's generationals I just think like 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.720 some of the older people are more shocked by this, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.120 like admiration for him, right. 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.800 I imagine that it would be a tricky story to cover 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:51.080 when you're balancing the reality of what's happening on social 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.640 media and also needing to deliver the facts of the case. 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.040 It is too because you kind of you know, when 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.440 you're covering someone he used of doing something so horrible, 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.800 a lot of times you lean into the bad things 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.760 about the person because now they've become an accused killer. 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.080 Whereas with him, I remember, even after a couple of 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:11.880 my live shots, thinking like I just I feel like 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.200 I'm describing him is so like such a good person, 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.680 you know. But everyone we were interviewing was saying that 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.480 I didn't interview anyone who said anything bad Bryan. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.600 He is alleged yea. And I think that people forget 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.920 that he is the alleged shooter. So I think you 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.319 are reporting on him as you're hearing him to. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:31.560 Be and I, of course yeah. 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.920 But the evidence, I mean, the evidence is pretty overwhelming, 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.640 the manifesto. If the police are telling the truth, he 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.080 had a gun, you got bullets with him. 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:43.080 I have so many questions around that, and it makes 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.480 me think of all the conspiracy theories that I don't 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:46.960 think that they're going to stop anytime soon. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.520 I mean, there's always so many conspiracy theories with these 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:53.160 cases now. I think people almost it's like a hobby 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.800 for people to just come up with every crazy possibility 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:58.280 that they can think of, and then, like you said, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.040 they posted on Reddit and people talk meant and there's 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:01.800 been so many. 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:05.360 I mean, the eyebrows. The eyebrows are the only one 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.120 that I can't I have a hard time connecting the 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.640 dots between him and all the photos that we saw 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:12.160 when they were looking for sus. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.600 It doesn't seem like all those photos are actually him. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:16.640 I think that they were just looking for people with 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:20.000 a hoodie right at that point the matchup. But again, 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.200 if you go back now to the evidence that they have, 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.480 I mean, it's a pretty good case in terms of 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.080 he had the same gun on him. Police are telling 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.920 the truth, which why would they be lying the bullets, 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:34.760 the manifesto, the I D the ID, and I mean 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:36.640 what he screamed out outside the. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:47.640 Courthouse, he didn't say I'm innocent. So this is not 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.920 going away anytime soon. It's only good to get bigger. 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.600 What's interesting though, Sloan, as we talk about it moving 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.200 into this year and all the things coming up with 0:14:58.200 --> 0:14:59.920 the Luigi Mangioni, we are not going to see him 0:14:59.920 --> 0:15:01.840 for while, which is kind of interesting. You know, we 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.200 saw the crazy purp walks and all the photos and video, 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.560 but now that it's federal, you know, there's no cameras 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:07.640 allowed in federal court. 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:09.280 What do you think of the federal charges. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.040 I was surprised. I wasn't expecting it. I think a 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.920 lot of people think that he was overcharged just because 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.640 of all the attention on the case. But when you 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.840 read the charges, I mean, it does make sense. I 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.640 mean it brings the death penalty on the table, which 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.120 is interesting because you know, if they were just state 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.360 charges in New York, you know, there's no death penalty. 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:31.520 Right now there is, Yeah, I saw yesterday, I believe 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.080 this was on NBC. They're saying that there's been very 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:41.480 few federal death penalty cases. It's where that has Yeah, 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.440 I think this is seventeen since the nineteen seventies. It's 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:51.800 very Rareteen were under Trump. So I am curious to 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:57.320 see how that can shape things. He's facing charges in 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.280 New York state and then also federally, I think the 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.160 federal trial is going to happen first. 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:03.480 Yeah, that's the way it works. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:07.200 The federal charges come first, then the New York state charges, 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.080 and then there's charges in Pennsylvania too. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.360 Remember he showed a fact ID they were less serious. 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.200 But we don't know when the trial will be and 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.240 I think in twenty twenty five we are going to 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:17.800 continue to hear more. 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.960 And another random weird fact to keep an eye on 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:26.800 this year is his attorney is married to Ditty's attorney. 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.680 Yes, and Luigi. 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:33.360 Mangioni and Ditty are in the same federal prison in 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.920 New York City, and likely in the same wing because 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.680 they have a wing where they put more high profile people. 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:40.800 So it's just kind of strange to think about it. 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:42.880 Oh weird, yeah, isn't it. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.880 It's so weird too because a month ago, no one 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.000 knew his name, and now we're talking about how crazy 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.760 it is that someone that high profile would be jailed 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:55.960 in the same area as Diddy. 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:57.160 It's weird. 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:58.200 I always say, wilds. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:16:59.480 I don't know if you think about this when you're 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.800 covering case, like in the beginning, like when the name 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.840 first comes out. I always have a hard time remembering it, 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.159 like Luigi MANGIONI, how am I going to remember that? 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:07.800 And now it's just like we say it like it's 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:08.200 you know. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:26.479 Yes, totally. I want to also talk to you about 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:31.800 our next case, Ellen Greenberg. Ellen Greenberg's death happened. You 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.959 probably don't know this so close where our office is, 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.200 I mean less than less than a mile. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.879 Ellen Greenberg's body was found in the kitchen of her 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.560 apartment during a blizzard in late January of twenty eleven. 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:45.440 Port Record show. 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:49.000 Ellen's fiance was at the gym and returned to find 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.639 their Matty uncle apartment door dead bolted. After an hour 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.320 of trying to reach our record show, he broke down 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.440 the door to find Ellen slumped in the kitchen. 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.720 She had been stabbed twenty times. Philodopia medical examiner originally 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.359 ruled her matter of death a suicide, then changed it 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.760 to homicide before switching it back to suicide. 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.639 Since then, her parents have been fighting to get this 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:11.719 case reopened. 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:16.080 Ellen Greenberg was found dead in twenty eleven. She was 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.640 twenty seven years old. She was a school teacher in Philadelphia. 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:20.840 And we're not going to be able to get into 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.000 all the details of these cases because of the time 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:27.920 that we have. But her fiance at the time says 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.960 that the door to their apartment was locked. Eventually he 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.159 has to kind of break down the door. According to 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:40.639 her fiance Sam, he sees her unconscious, she's covered in blood, 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.359 and then he calls nine on one. He is telling 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:48.200 the nine on one operator that he has no idea 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:51.760 what's going on. They asked him to perform CPR, kind 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:56.040 of hesitates. He hesitates that bothers me very strange. Nine 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.000 one one call, very strange. We'll play the niem on 0:18:59.000 --> 0:18:59.600 one phone call. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.200 Okay, So get a plan on her bank for her 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.040 chest anyone we're sure at all. 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:07.960