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Speaker 3: Major League Baseball is right around the corner, and that

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Speaker 3: means attention is being paid to posturing right now, because

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Speaker 3: even though we have a full year of baseball ahead

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Speaker 3: whether or not twenty twenty seven is going to see

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Speaker 3: an absolute chaotic end to baseball.

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Speaker 3: Some say it should, some say it shouldn't. But in

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Speaker 3: Sports Radio. There was an interesting moment yesterday, buck running

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Speaker 3: all over Twitter X and it's a quote from the

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Speaker 3: Cleveland Guardians GM explaining how important it is to scout

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Speaker 3: and develop when you're the Guardians, and his quote is,

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Speaker 3: we can't as a small market team signed top tier

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Speaker 3: free agents. It's just impossible with the economic landscape in baseball.

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Speaker 3: That hit me, and it bothered me because it took

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Speaker 3: the Cleveland Guardians, one of which is David Blitzer, who

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Speaker 3: owns twenty five percent of the team and has an

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Speaker 3: option to acquire controlling interest of the team in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty eight. Interesting that they would set that option to

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Speaker 3: happen after labor negotiations that they knew were happening in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven. Nothing by accident. Why is that important? Well,

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Speaker 3: according to the Google machine, Blitzer's networth is roughly four

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Speaker 3: billion dollars. So what we're being told right now by

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Speaker 3: the Guardians GM is that it is impossible for owners

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Speaker 3: of small market teams, for small market teams in general,

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Speaker 3: to compete for top tier free agents because they simply

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Speaker 3: can't afford it, and as a result, what they're all

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Speaker 3: asking for is a salary cap. Major League Baseball is

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Speaker 3: the only major sport in America that does not have

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Speaker 3: a salary cap. Players are continually yelling and screaming that

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Speaker 3: they absolutely will not agree to any new labor agreement

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Speaker 3: that includes a salary cap. Baseball owners are telling you

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Speaker 3: the sport is dying without it. Jeff Passinger is reporting

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Speaker 3: owners are willing to get out of the sport altogether

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Speaker 3: if they.

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Speaker 4: Can't get a salary cap.

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Speaker 3: It is wild to me, though, that we are talking about,

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Speaker 3: Like the Guardians who have a billion dollar minority owner

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Speaker 3: is sitting here telling me that they can't compete because

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Speaker 3: they can't afford to man, I don't see. If I'm

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Speaker 3: a player, that ain't my problem.

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Speaker 4: Buck. If I'm a player, that's your problem.

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Speaker 3: If you can't afford to own the business, sell it

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Speaker 3: to somebody who can.

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Speaker 5: Oh, No, I I one agree with you.

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Speaker 6: This is not an issue, and players should fight the

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Speaker 6: salary gap as long as they can. It may be inevitable,

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Speaker 6: but there is no benefit as far as I can tell,

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Speaker 6: for the for the labor to have the salary gap

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Speaker 6: in this particular situation, and there is something to be

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Speaker 6: said about, like you, if you removed the salary cap

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Speaker 6: in the NFL, as a hypothetical, what would the NFL

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Speaker 6: turn into. It would just turn into a billionaire bidding war,

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Speaker 6: which may be fun unless you're a cash poor team

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Speaker 6: I understand that the Guardians are in a situation that's

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Speaker 6: not uncommon for a middling small market. I mean, Cleveland's

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Speaker 6: not the smallest market either based on MLB cities I

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Speaker 6: what we know is that Cleveland as a city, the

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Speaker 6: facing broader economic challenges. For a long time, Guardians are

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Speaker 6: the Yankees having the YES Network would benefit the New

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Speaker 6: So they're kind of in this situation that seems to

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Speaker 6: the salary cap is something that the organizations should pursue,

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Speaker 6: and I think that ultimately, I don't know, do you

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Speaker 5: I guess is the starting point for this conversation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing we fall in love with

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Speaker 3: with concepts more than actual information. I mean, for every

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Speaker 3: no salary cap. You're probably also a Cleveland Browns fan.

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Speaker 3: When's the last time you competed in a sport.

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Speaker 4: That does have a salary cap?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: So to me, the argument that a salary cap, we're

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Speaker 3: told you the NFL has sold this sensual image of

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Speaker 3: like the worst team, stay the worst teams, and the

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Speaker 3: best teams more often than not stay the best teams.

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Speaker 4: Right. So to me, I understand that we.

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Speaker 3: All love the concept of a salary cap. I don't

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Speaker 3: think it actually fixes much of anything. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: haven't seen empirical data across everything that shows, Hey, this

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Speaker 3: is the moment. Everything you mentioned about revenue sharing that

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Speaker 3: not my job to worry about that as a player.

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Speaker 3: I'm ever the capitalist, right, So in what other business

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Speaker 3: you know what, ESPN's out here kicking Yahoo's ass every

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Speaker 4: Like if we look around and say, oh, my gosh, like.

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Speaker 3: iPhones are killing Google phones right now, you know what

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Speaker 3: what we're gonna do is we're gonna cap it so

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Speaker 4: Like we don't do this in anything else.

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Speaker 3: We do it in sports because as fans it makes

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Speaker 3: But when I look back, just as a massive fan

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Speaker 3: I think, some of the most strict in all of sports, man,

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Speaker 3: my favorite team still has sucked for the better part

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Speaker 3: I just don't think the salary cap fixes things the

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Speaker 6: No, it's there is no one great fix for what

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Speaker 6: I'm I'm not understanding the comment to the way that

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Speaker 6: it sounds like this is more of an organizational issue

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Speaker 6: who have the funds to make this work. Maybe not

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Speaker 6: to the extent that I mean the Blue Jays. So

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Speaker 6: just kind of looking through this right now, Cleveland has

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Speaker 6: They've got one player right now in Jose Ramirez, who's

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Speaker 6: The Dodgers have thirteen players making at least ten million

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Speaker 6: you know, it's not about stacking up payrolls. It's about

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Speaker 6: But to me, this sounds like an organizational issue for

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Speaker 6: the Guardians that he's complaining about publicly. That's making it

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Speaker 6: he is experiencing something that a lot of smaller market

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Speaker 6: the Padres, Right, I think those are all probably in

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Speaker 3: Yes, but Milwaukee last year, I mean Milwaukee was a

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Speaker 3: of things. One, I think major League Baseball needs a

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Speaker 3: needs within their owner they need Nahoa, they need somebody

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Speaker 3: And if this is where somebody says, well, my team's

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Speaker 3: of the hottest cities in the world right now, in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: Right Like, I lived in Nashville for over twenty years.

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Speaker 3: Here's a reality. When I bought my house in Nashville

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Speaker 3: the Major League Baseball answer nobody wants. If your favorite

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Speaker 3: players in the entire world, the answer is not to

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Speaker 3: throttle back the Dodgers.

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Speaker 4: The answer is to get better own.

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Speaker 3: Like, if I'm major League Baseball right now and I

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Speaker 3: you know what, I'd sell this team before all of Okay,

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Speaker 3: if you can't afford to live here, go live somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: You can't afford to live in Nashville, eventually, you got

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Speaker 4: Is it as cool?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: And this is where people keep telling me, well, the

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Speaker 6: This is about the the closer to the working class

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Speaker 6: this way that don't actually impact for the greater good

440
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Speaker 6: the rest of the players that are also involved in

441
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Speaker 6: the MLBPA. It's it's a it's a really difficult situation

442
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Speaker 6: the baseball is going to have to navigate through. I

443
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Speaker 6: hate it for baseball fans because it does feel like

444
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Speaker 6: we are on a collision course with a with a

445
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Speaker 6: baseball shut down, as you mentioned.

446
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Speaker 3: But the problem is we keep pointing the fingers to

447
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Speaker 3: the wrong spots. Dude, Like to me, what we're doing

448
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Speaker 3: is we're looking at the players and the owners and

449
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 3: we're saying, Okay, the players got to give on this.

450
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Speaker 3: The owners need help. Sportico estimated in October that LA

451
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Speaker 3: made two hundred million more in revenue after Shohotane joined

452
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Speaker 3: the team, which was significant because it made them the

453
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Speaker 3: first organization in baseball to pass one billion dollars in revenue. So,

454
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Speaker 3: according to a new report from the California Post at

455
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Speaker 3: the time reading this says, the Dodgers quote sponsorship business

456
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Speaker 3: alone is now believed to make as much as money

457
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Speaker 3: as roughly half of the league's other.

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Speaker 4: Thirty two teams other thirty teams do.

459
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Speaker 3: Overall, the Dodgers are making more money, so they're spending

460
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Speaker 3: more money.

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Speaker 4: This to me, is not a player issue. This is

462
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Speaker 4: a team issue.

463
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Speaker 3: And one thing about the NFL that you know very

464
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Speaker 3: well is that the NFL does a great job of

465
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Speaker 3: revenue sharing. They revenue share to keep the field as

466
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Speaker 3: level as they can. They don't revenue share everything, but

467
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Speaker 3: the revenue share enough to make sure that everybody is

468
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Speaker 3: within arm's reach of where they need to be. The

469
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Speaker 3: fact is, if the argument is that labor is such

470
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Speaker 3: that simply they can't compete, I think the real argument

471
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Speaker 3: needs to be how do you get thirty major league

472
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Speaker 3: baseball owners in a room, and how do those thirty

473
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Speaker 3: major League baseball owners figure out how to better profits

474
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Speaker 3: share in a way that spreads that money out Like

475
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Speaker 3: they're asking the players to make concessions because the Dodgers

476
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Speaker 3: aren't going to give up their profits and teams like

477
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Speaker 3: the Marlins aren't going to increase their spending.

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Speaker 4: That's an ownership.

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Speaker 3: Issue, like you need thirty owners that will sit down

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Speaker 3: together and say, you know what much as Jerry Jones.

481
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Speaker 3: Jerry Jones could go out and simply outspend the world

482
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Speaker 3: with the Cowboys, right like Stan Kronk is the wealthiest

483
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Speaker 3: owner in the NFL. Stan Kronki could go out and

484
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Speaker 3: buy half.

485
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Speaker 4: Of these teams if you wanted to. Right.

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Speaker 3: But part of what happens in the NFL is they

487
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Speaker 3: understand what's good for the gander is good for the goose.

488
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Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, they find ways

489
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Speaker 3: to share enough of the profits across the board, from

490
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Speaker 3: media rights, from revenue from everywhere that they make it.

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Speaker 3: They find enough profit sharing that all of the teams

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Speaker 3: have an opportunity to be competitive. The issue to me

493
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Speaker 3: isn't the players are being overpaid and that you know

494
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Speaker 3: teams can't figure these things out and they need a

495
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Speaker 3: salary cap.

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Speaker 4: The issue is that the.

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Speaker 3: Thirty Major League Baseball owners are not looking at each

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Speaker 3: other for a fix. They're asking the players to make

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Speaker 3: sacrifices because the thirty owners themselves can't come to the

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Speaker 3: agreement that actually helps the thirty owners. Maybe make the

501
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Speaker 3: Dodgers help the rest of baseball instead of every player.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I so I say this with a little bit

503
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Speaker 6: of ignorance because I you know, full disclosure, I'm not

504
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Speaker 6: I'm not a baseball fan. I don't follow a particular team.

505
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Speaker 6: You know, I'll check into the postseason, enjoy postseason baseball.

506
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Speaker 6: That's about the extent of my baseball consumption on an

507
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Speaker 6: annual basis. But it does feel like that's a common

508
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Speaker 6: refrain in sports where fans you can win the battle

509
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Speaker 6: of optics, you can win the pr battle if you

510
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Speaker 6: are a sports team owner by essentially skirting any coverage

511
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Speaker 6: of you and the actual business of the sport. Like

512
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Speaker 6: I think our biggest fai and this is as somebody

513
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Speaker 6: who covers an NFL team for a living, I think

514
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 6: our biggest failing as sports media is that we don't

515
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Speaker 6: actually cover the business of sports very well because it's hard,

516
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Speaker 6: it's far more complicated. It's not anything that I went

517
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Speaker 6: to school for or learned. I don't understand fully the

518
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Speaker 6: economics of all these things. Nor do I have the

519
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Speaker 6: access because you know, the NFL doesn't want me to

520
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Speaker 6: have the access to fully understand the scope of Okay,

521
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Speaker 6: who's doing this to the best of their abilities? Who

522
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Speaker 6: can we hold accountable in these particular situations. No, Instead,

523
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Speaker 6: I spend four days a week, for forty five minutes

524
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Speaker 6: a day in a locker room talking to players about

525
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Speaker 6: why they didn't did or did not do their jobs

526
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Speaker 6: well enough to win a football game on Sunday. Like

527
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Speaker 6: that's basically what sports coverage has been condensed down too.

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Speaker 6: We do have people who are out here covering the

529
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Speaker 6: business of sports, but also it's harder for people to understand.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I'm not saying that, oh we're we

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Speaker 6: societally we're too dumb to understand fully the scope of

532
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Speaker 6: the business of sports. But it is easier to follow

533
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Speaker 6: along with the day to day the athletes, the things

534
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Speaker 6: like spa track and over the cap for the finances

535
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Speaker 6: of the players. The finance of the finances of the

536
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Speaker 6: owners aren't available for us to salary cap our way

537
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Speaker 6: through or play play sports god if we want to.

538
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Speaker 6: The way that you can armchair GM or or general

539
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Speaker 6: manage on the baseball side, of things or whatever the case.

540
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Speaker 6: Whatever the case might be, for however, you want to

541
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Speaker 6: plan out your favorite team's offseason, right, very rarely are

542
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Speaker 6: you doing that from.

543
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Speaker 5: The perspective of ownership.

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Speaker 6: Most of the time you're doing that from the perspective

545
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Speaker 6: of a general manager. So I think that it is

546
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Speaker 6: wired specifically in a way that you want your public,

547
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Speaker 6: your consumer in the dark about the way that you

548
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Speaker 6: actually do business. And this is the way that a

549
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Speaker 6: lot of business in any industry gets done. You keep

550
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Speaker 6: people in the dark to a certain extent, so they

551
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Speaker 6: don't fully grasp or take the time to understand all

552
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Speaker 6: the different intricacies about why you're doing business.

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Speaker 5: The way that you're doing it. And instead, for some reason.

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Speaker 6: Maybe it's because that construct has always existed, but like

555
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Speaker 6: it seems far more often that fans side with ownership

556
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Speaker 6: over players. And I've never understood that other than the principle,

557
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Speaker 6: the core principle of well, fans don't root. I mean,

558
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Speaker 6: maybe more people do in modern day sports consumption. You

559
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 6: root for players over teams, but for the most part,

560
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Speaker 6: you want to see what's you want to see things

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Speaker 6: done in the best interest of your franchise. You don't

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Speaker 6: root for an individual coach, like, for example, Titans. I'm

563
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Speaker 6: here covering the Tennessee Titans. Titans fans don't root for

564
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Speaker 6: Mike Frabel. I mean, maybe some of them do, but like,

565
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Speaker 6: you're not going to become a Mike Vrabel fan if

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Speaker 6: you are a Tennessee Titans fan, right because he's the

567
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Speaker 6: coach of the Patriots. You're not gonna want wish for

568
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Speaker 6: success for the Patriots because he's not coaching your team anymore,

569
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Speaker 6: just because you liked him during his time here. It

570
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Speaker 6: is one of those things where you're always going to

571
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Speaker 6: default to as a fan, well, what's in the best

572
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Speaker 6: interest of my team, what's gonna help my team the most?

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Speaker 6: And that's the guys that owners can hide behind know

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Speaker 6: we're actually doing what's in the best interest of your team,

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Speaker 6: when in reality they're probably not doing it to the

576
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Speaker 6: full extent in far more cases than they actually are.

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Speaker 6: Like the genuine people who are trying to win championships

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Speaker 6: for the sake of their consumer, how many owners do

579
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Speaker 6: you think are actually out here trying to do it

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Speaker 6: for the fans as opposed to how they make their

581
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Speaker 6: nut on this stuff.

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Speaker 3: The funny thing is, though, that comes back to something

583
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Speaker 3: we started the show when we were talking about the

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Speaker 3: NBA image problem. I should say, you're one thousand percent right.

585
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Speaker 3: The NBA is one exception to that. People fall in

586
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Speaker 3: love with players and they will follow those players wherever

587
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Speaker 3: they go. The NBA has become such a player empowermentally,

588
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Speaker 3: which is funny to me because that's what people then

589
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: clap back to, like, oh my god, these players are

590
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Speaker 3: out of control, and these players are going to have

591
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: too much say in the way business is being done,

592
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Speaker 3: and these players are making too much money. I can't

593
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Speaker 3: believe they don't do X number of things, you know,

594
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Speaker 3: because these players have too much of a voice.

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Speaker 4: It's funny.

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Speaker 3: The one league where player empowerment really seems to the

597
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Speaker 3: one sport where player empowerment really seems to take over,

598
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Speaker 3: is basketball, and that's the very thing that many people

599
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: seem to use as a reason against basketball. And I

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Speaker 3: just I continue to go back and look at this

601
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Speaker 3: from a Major League Baseball standpoint and say, like, if

602
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Speaker 3: your argument is, well, the Dodgers aren't.

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Speaker 4: Going to give up a big portion of the revenue,

604
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Speaker 4: and that it's not my problem.

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Speaker 3: If I'm a pitcher for the Tigers, that ain't my problem,

606
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Speaker 3: Like all my problem is is can I go out

607
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Speaker 3: and get mine?

608
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Speaker 4: Can I go out and make as much money in my.

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Speaker 3: Career as possible, which, by the way, is what every

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Speaker 3: other walk of life is.

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Speaker 5: Like.

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Speaker 3: We are now in a world where my god, like

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Speaker 3: we've all watched the price for simply not getting political,

614
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Speaker 3: but we've all watched the price of a fast food

615
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Speaker 3: drive through skyrocket because we as a society really want

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Speaker 3: to make sure that people working at fast food places

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Speaker 3: are making more money, right Like, so all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: we're like, oh, I want to make sure everybody makes

619
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Speaker 3: more money, and then it costs us more money. We

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Speaker 3: every time I have to go to the mechanic, good God,

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Speaker 3: I don't get to sit there and say, well, you

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Speaker 3: know what, I hate you because my god, you're making

623
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Speaker 3: too much money. You just accept it, like, well, guy's

624
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Speaker 3: got to get paid for what he does. Like this

625
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Speaker 3: is a cup of coffee used to be fifty cents.

626
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: Now a cup of coffee is six bucks, right, And

627
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Speaker 3: all of these times we continually look at and we

628
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Speaker 3: as a society, more often than not, it seems like

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Speaker 3: most people are fighting for people to make more money.

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Speaker 3: In sports, we're fighting for them because they're playing a

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Speaker 3: kid's game.

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Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah blah. But like, whatever the answer is,

633
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Speaker 4: I don't really care.

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Speaker 3: I just know that if I was a major League

635
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Speaker 3: baseball player and you're telling me that the reason that

636
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Speaker 3: you can't compete is because you can't compete with how

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Speaker 3: much money the Dodgers.

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Speaker 4: Are making, well, then work something out with the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: If you can't compete with the amount of the money

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Speaker 3: the Dodgers have, well then you probably shouldn't know in

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Speaker 3: a major League baseball team, if you can't afford to

642
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Speaker 3: live in my neighborhood, then you probably shouldn't live in

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Speaker 3: my neighborhood. Is essentially what the players are saying to

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Speaker 3: the owners. And I don't think they're totally wrong, like

645
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Speaker 3: they their spott is just yeah, they're just trying to

646
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Speaker 3: make their nut, which.

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Speaker 4: In any other world we look at and we're like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I love that. A lot of it go go out there.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know anybody that roots for people to

650
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Speaker 3: make less money in day to day life. I just

651
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: don't know anybody that does that unless we're talking about sports.

652
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Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden it's totally different.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just yeah, you can't if you're a fan.

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Speaker 6: It is so much harder to be critical of the

655
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Speaker 6: person that you don't see or you don't hear from.

656
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Speaker 6: Like I work in a market where the NFL owner

657
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Speaker 6: here does not do press conferences, She doesn't speak to

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Speaker 6: the media. She occasionally delivers statements. I mean she does

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Speaker 6: put out statements through the team's social media channels and

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Speaker 6: website and stuff like that. She did a sit out,

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Speaker 6: sit down interview after they fired Vrabel here. It was

662
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Speaker 6: done with the play by play guy at the time,

663
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Speaker 6: the team play by play guy at the time, Mike Keith,

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Speaker 6: Icon forever and always now working for the Tennessee Valls.

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Speaker 6: But you know, state run media type of stuff that

666
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 6: was heavily edited because one you know, and listen, this

667
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 6: is kind of their right. I don't want to just

668
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Speaker 6: say that they that they should be forced to do

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Speaker 6: all these things. It's your right as an owner if

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Speaker 6: you don't want to talk to the media and take

671
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 6: questions on behalf, take questions from media on behalf of fans.

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Speaker 6: You don't have to do that, right in a lot

673
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Speaker 6: of these situations, I mean, my god, how many NFL

674
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 6: owners have gotten out there publicly and talked on behalf

675
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 6: of their teams and made the situation worse we the

676
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Speaker 6: Bills owner. Nobody cared about the Bills owner. Nobody cared

677
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 6: about who Terry Pagoula was a month ago, two months ago,

678
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Speaker 6: and now he's viewed as one of the scourges of

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Speaker 6: the league because he fired a coach who's incredibly successful,

680
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Speaker 6: promoted a GM based off locker room vibes on a

681
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Speaker 6: game whereas quarterback just turned the ball overway too much

682
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Speaker 6: and then made a bunch of irrational decisions that probably

683
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Speaker 6: aren't making the Buffalo Bills better. But for the most part,

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't speak for Bills fans. I don't know matter

685
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Speaker 6: how many of them had a problem with Terry Pegoula

686
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Speaker 6: before that I heard him talk for the first time

687
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Speaker 6: in the last six years. You know what I'm saying Like,

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Speaker 6: it's it's a very it's a very difficult balance because

689
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Speaker 6: you want accountability, but in reality that accountability is probably

690
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 6: not going to make you feel better about the state

691
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Speaker 6: of your team, which is why I don't I don't

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Speaker 6: fault owners for not wanting to be held accountable. Maybe

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Speaker 6: if I was in that situation, I would also take

694
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Speaker 6: the same tact.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I like to think that I would not be that

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Speaker 6: kind of I think it's a bit spineless the behavior,

698
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Speaker 6: But also you see how many more flames it kicks

699
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Speaker 6: up when one of these owners like Gail Benson for

700
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Speaker 6: the Saints, or every time Jerry talks Cowboys fans lose

701
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 6: their minds. It is something that you want them to

702
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 6: tell you that they are going to do things the

703
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Speaker 6: right way and give you a coherent plan when a

704
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 6: lot of times people really don't have one. They're just

705
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 6: the bank account for the situation that's actually trying to

706
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 6: fix your team. And that's a scary thing when you

707
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 6: find out that the money doesn't actually not doesn't actually

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Speaker 6: know what it's doing.

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Speaker 3: I always go back to if you make widgets for

710
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Speaker 3: a living and you go to your boss and you say,

711
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 3: you know what, I deserve a raise and your boss says, sorry, man,

712
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: we just don't have the money. Do you accept that

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Speaker 3: or do you start calling every other widget company in

714
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Speaker 3: town and trying to find a place that does. And

715
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 3: then in that situation, are all the other widget companies

716
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: calling each other and saying wait, wait, wait, wait, man,

717
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: we got to put cap on value so we can

718
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Speaker 3: all keep making money.

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Speaker 4: That's what we do.

720
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Speaker 3: That's essentially what we're asking every athlete to do in

721
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Speaker 3: this situation. It is wild to me. All right now,

722
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Speaker 3: I've got the time, right, I know what time it is.

723
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Speaker 3: If you listen to the show at all, We finish

724
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Speaker 3: every single show the same way. So coming up next

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Speaker 3: to Single Gate it is some great, greatest game show

726
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Speaker 3: in the history of sports.

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Speaker 4: Start radio with.

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Speaker 3: No I know would you rather coming up next, I'm

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Speaker 3: bucking Fits sitting in for two Pros and a Cup

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Speaker 3: of Joe.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

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Speaker 2: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

733
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Speaker 2: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.

734
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Speaker 3: It's fucking Fits hanging out with you Fox Sports Radio.

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00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: We're in for two pros and a cup of Joe.

736
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 3: Redfin discovered most of us want more connection with our neighbors,

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Speaker 3: darn right.

738
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Speaker 4: We just don't want to make it awkward.

739
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Speaker 3: Chances are they probably feel the same, So go first,

740
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Speaker 3: Start small. That's all it takes to be neighborly. Find

741
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Speaker 3: your newest neighbors at redfin dot com. If you've hung

742
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: out with Buck and I at all on Fox Sports Radio,

743
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: we're usually on Saturday six to eight pm Eastern, you

744
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: know that we like to end never show the same

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Speaker 3: way with the single great get hmmm, gonna learn how

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Speaker 3: to speak single's greatest game show in the history of

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Speaker 3: sports talk radio. Buck, are you ready for this?

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Speaker 4: Are you ready?

749
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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 4: It is time.

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00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 7: For wood rather rather absolutely nail or fix it?

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Speaker 4: I honestly think that's the best I've ever heard you

753
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Speaker 4: guys do that? Thank you, justin?

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00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: Thanks for you coming, and you give us a question

755
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: and then we figure out would we rather it's.

756
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 8: Really just ready to be done with us? Please that No,

757
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 8: that was the most instant I think you've ever been

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00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 8: on that.

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Speaker 4: All right, so more backstreet guy.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, okay, don't laugh at that job.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 4: I get it. Thank you, thank you, thank you Jesus. Okay,

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00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 4: all right, so save us justin?

764
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Speaker 8: Come on, would you rather have the ability to see

765
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Speaker 8: ten minutes into the future or one hundred and fifty

766
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Speaker 8: years into the future ten minutes?

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Speaker 6: What do I care about one hundred and fifty years

768
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 6: into the future. The world's going to be on fire.

769
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 6: You know, the whole world's going to be engulfed by

770
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Speaker 6: the ocean by that time.

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Speaker 5: I don't want.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to see apocalypse now. I want to

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Speaker 6: see you know, am I gonna am? I gonna get

774
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Speaker 6: t boned at the intersection in ten minutes from now.

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00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: Look, if I can see ten minutes into the future,

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00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 3: number one, that's gonna lead to a dark moment at

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Speaker 3: some point in my life.

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Speaker 4: I probably don't want. Number two. That's gonna make the

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Speaker 4: heabyity dibity really weird. So here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: I feel like, at the end of the day, I

781
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: kind of want to be a cult leader at some level.

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Speaker 3: So give me one hundred and fifty years into the future,

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00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: because then I'm mad in the cult. I could lead

784
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 3: like I can see one hundred and fifty years into

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Speaker 3: the future.

786
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 4: Oh I am a I'm a sensation at that point.

787
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Speaker 3: I have followers like, oh yeah, I wear a robe

788
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 3: everywhere like fuck does to work. It's just this is great,

789
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Speaker 3: Like I become like the third Eye guy, like, oh,

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00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty years into the future, I'm getting

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Speaker 3: TV interviews on that.

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00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 4: I'm I'm a sensation, So I want one hundred and

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Speaker 4: fifty years.

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Speaker 6: I'm still trying to figure out why seeing ten minutes

795
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Speaker 6: ten minutes into the future affects your sex life, because

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Speaker 6: there's no.

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Speaker 5: Way you're baking in ten minutes.

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Speaker 4: Well no, but that's the problem. Is that, like it's

799
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Speaker 4: gonna make.

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Speaker 3: It even better, like because before we've even started, I'm

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Speaker 3: seeing where things go.

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00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 4: Now, like you've cut my time.

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Speaker 6: Out ten minutes later, you know you've already you know,

804
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 6: you've had breakfast, you've moved on with your day entirely,

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00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 6: or like.

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Speaker 5: Oh that was now.

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Speaker 3: The good news is I can apologize before it even starts,

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Speaker 3: So it's it's really perfect that way.

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Speaker 9: Justin please God, we're gonna get fired here. Would you

810
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 9: would you rather excuse me? Would you rather have every

811
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Speaker 9: sports broadcast narrated by a dramatic opera singer or commentators

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Speaker 9: who only speak in baby talk.

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Speaker 4: I can't handle commentators that only speaking baby talk. I

814
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: just can't. I can't do that that.

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Speaker 3: I would make it all of thirty seconds in before

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Speaker 3: I just started yelling.

817
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: Shut the hell up at my TV screen.

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Speaker 3: Opera singing would be pompous in every terrible way. But yeah,

819
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Speaker 3: I would rather have the opera singing book than have

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Speaker 3: the baby talk.

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Speaker 6: Hmm, isn't baby talk kind of what Romo's doing?

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Speaker 5: Now? That was mean? That felt mean, that felt cruel.

823
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Tony, you know what?

824
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Speaker 3: Yeah you said that, but you you would, you know,

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Speaker 3: you'd baby talk to for a tenth of what Romo

826
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Speaker 3: makes it.

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Speaker 5: You're good lord? Hell yeah I would.

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Speaker 4: Was that an answer? Did you give us an answer book?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll take the baby talk. I mean it's you know,

831
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Speaker 6: I'm only half pegging attention to the commentary anyway?

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Speaker 5: Why not make it fun? Only if they could?

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Speaker 6: Can they can they put the snapchat baby face filter on?

834
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Speaker 6: Like one of the funniest things I've ever seen on

835
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Speaker 6: the internet is the baby Steve I Smith, like that

836
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 6: is too much If they do that for the commentators,

837
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 6: I'm in on the baby talk comment.

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Speaker 4: Man, if we baby talked first take, I might actually

839
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 4: watch that.

840
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Speaker 8: Show justin what do you Got cut? There's another silly one.

841
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 8: Would you rather sprint the one hundred meter dash while

842
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 8: wearing flippers or swim the one hundred meter freestyle in

843
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 8: a pool full of jello?

844
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Speaker 5: Oh? Jello?

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Speaker 6: I feel like I can make more headway because I mean,

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Speaker 6: you know, jello is a killing right, Like you can

847
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 6: you can, you can eat your way through the freestyle

848
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 6: in that situation. Now, maybe you get a little bit

849
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Speaker 6: of indigestion at some point in time, but I feel

850
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Speaker 6: like that's way like easier on your body than trying

851
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 6: to run one hundred meters and flippers.

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00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: Now, you run one hundred meters in flippers, and you

853
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: get a lot of judgment. Do you swim in a

854
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Speaker 3: pool of jello?

855
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: People are jealous?

856
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Speaker 3: So I want the pool of jello, although it should

857
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Speaker 3: be noted I don't know how to swim, so I

858
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Speaker 3: would die in a pool of jello.

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00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 4: You either, Yeah, I don't know how to swim.

860
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 5: We collectively don't know how to swim. As a show,

861
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Speaker 5: that's crazy.

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00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Bucking fits learn to swim summer inside

863
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: for Fox Sports. Buck, you have too much hair to

864
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: swim like you like, there'd be a whole like you'd

865
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: have to be like your face, your back, like it's

866
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Speaker 3: just the amount of hair da hair.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just saying I've seen I've seen the chest.

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Speaker 4: Let us justin you want to get one more?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Are we back talking about your sex life again? Stay

871
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 6: out of my chest hair, get out of here.

872
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 8: Would you rather speak every language in the world or

873
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 8: play every instrument?

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00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 6: Ooh, I think I would rather play every instrument. Playing

875
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 6: an instrument seems so cool, Like Fitzy actually has musical talent.

876
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 6: I have no abilities in that department whatsoever. I feel

877
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 6: like that would be pretty unique. I feel like that

878
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 6: would be fun.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean I've played I think seven instruments

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Speaker 3: with the band when we were on tour.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I want to speak every language because then no

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Speaker 3: matter where you go, you know what they're saying.

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Speaker 4: About you when you walk through the airport. I just

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Speaker 4: exactly what they're saying. Well they do it. Come back

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Speaker 4: hang out with us tomorrow night from six to eight.

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Speaker 3: He's Buck Rising on Jason fitz Enjoy Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 3: all day