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We will talk Derek 27 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: Carr and the Jags. Just watch Saints lose. That was 28 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: beside a couple drives, not very pretty. Trevor Lawrence guts 29 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: it out Jags five and two, bizarre five and two team, 30 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: definitely didn't feel like a five and two team. Some 31 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: thoughts on DeVante Adams, Some thoughts on the Miami Dolphins, 32 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: who everyone's just anointing. Did a little deep guy of 33 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: their schedule? You know, I think we should pump the 34 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: brakes a little bit. We'll come into that and the 35 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 2: bull Take of the Week, as we do every Friday. 36 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: I was, I was, I might have got last week right, 37 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: said someone was gonna get fired. Frank w Reich fired 38 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: himself from play calling, not from the job, so we 39 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: will do the bull take of the week and no 40 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: mail bag. I see a lot of you guys asking 41 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: questions in the in the Instagram at John middlecoff is 42 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: the Instagram handle fire in those dms. I'll try to 43 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: maybe have some cocktails this week and manually respond to 44 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: some of you guys. That was always a Gary V 45 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: thing he claimed back in his heyday, like respond to everyone. 46 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: That's takes a lot of effort. It's hard, uh, but 47 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: you know what else do I have to do? Watch football, 48 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: respond to dms. I will attempt to do some of 49 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: that this weekend. And yeah, so we've had podcasts all week. 50 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: If you missed any, subscribe to the feed. If you 51 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to the 52 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: three and Out feed. Never miss a show. Unlet's rock 53 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: and roll Thursday night football, Jacksonville beats the Saints in 54 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: an awful thriller and Trevor Lawrence. Stats won't show it, 55 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: but you know, I think most people agree after you 56 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: witness that you would gladly take him over the highly 57 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: paid Derek Carr. We will dive in to all elements 58 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: of the game. I have some thoughts on DeVante Adams. 59 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: I saw some of his comments and everyone had an 60 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: angle on it. I feel pretty strongly about what he 61 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: said and how it doesn't impact the way that I 62 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: think about him. And then I fount on the Dolphins. 63 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: Have we anointed them a little bit too quickly? And 64 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: why this week is pretty big for them? And then 65 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: of course the ball take of the week. We'll dive 66 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: into it all. Subscribe to the podcast three and Out 67 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: with Me John Middlecoff, Apple, Spotify, wherever you may listen 68 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: to you watching this on the tube, smash that like button, 69 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: leave a comment, share it with your friends, as well 70 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 2: as subscribe to the page and the Volume dot com. 71 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: The Volume dot com we got merch. Before we dive 72 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: into some football talk, let's tell you about some very 73 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: good friends of mine. Did you watch that game and 74 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: go got it? 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Let's start 91 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: with the Saints, because beside a couple drives and again 92 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: like last week, his yardage Derek three four, three hundred yards, 93 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: he was thirty three or fifty five, and he had 94 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: one really good drive after a terrible call by a 95 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 2: Super Bowl winning coach Doug Peterson, when he went for 96 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: it on fourth and short from a shotgun inside zone. Now, 97 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: his quarterback's injured probably limits his play calls, but still 98 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: I think he'd even admit to you over a cup 99 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: of ice cream. You know, Doug loves the ice cream 100 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: that he would like that one back. And I think 101 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: simply the number one theme throughout the game is this 102 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 2: Saints offense is just not good enough. Something is way off. 103 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 2: And here's the thing. They paid a lot of money 104 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: for that quarterback. They gave him almost a thirty million 105 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: dollars signing bonus. That means the moment Derek signed within 106 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: a fourteen day window, he got twenty eight point five 107 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: million dollars, and no matter what happened to him, sixty 108 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: million dollars of that contract was guaranteed. And I listen, 109 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: I've known him since he was in high school. When 110 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: I worked at Fresno State. It was a senior year 111 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: in high school. He was committed to US. Obviously, he 112 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: came the next year. I have followed his career very closely. 113 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: I don't think he's playing very well. I actually think 114 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: he's playing really poorly for his standards. Clearly the offense, 115 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: the cohesion in the passing game. I don't give a 116 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: shit about the stats. It doesn't look right. Something is 117 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: way off, and you go, well, maybe there's not enough talent, 118 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: because we always love doing that. I don't see it 119 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: that way. Michael Thomas is more than serviceable as a 120 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: big outside wide receiver. Alvin Kamara is a star. The 121 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: guy can do it all. Taysom Hill talk about a 122 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: guy everyone talks about, and I get it. As a quarterback. 123 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: He's not a quarterback, but Taysom Hill could plan on 124 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: my team any day of the week. He can line 125 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: up in slot, he can line up and running back. 126 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: He's a very very versatile chess piece, a lave is, 127 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: you know, a speed wide receiver. Still working through as 128 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: a young player, but he's clearly really talented. Number twenty 129 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: two is also really good. He's had some big catches 130 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: this year. Like they got talent on offense. The cohesion 131 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: between the offensive coordinator Derek and the weapons is just 132 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: not there. It looks way off some of these go 133 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: routes in the end zone and they've done it two 134 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: straight weeks. Makes you shake your head. What is going on? 135 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: And do you know what? I'm kicking myself because I 136 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: felt pretty confident and listen, they may still end up 137 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: winning the division because the South stinks. But Derek and 138 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 2: Dennis Allen like say that out loud, John, that is 139 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: not gonna work, and it's not working. And you saw 140 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: it tonight, Dennis. I think their defense is pretty good 141 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: and obviously he's a defensive head. When he was a 142 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, there were Sean Payton, their defense was really good. 143 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: He knows defense. He could motivate that side of the ball. 144 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: But as a head coach, when his offensive coordinator and 145 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: his quarterback that they're paying a boatload of money to 146 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: are having issues, there's nothing he can do. I feel 147 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: pretty confident in saying I bet Dennis Allen doesn't even 148 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: know the majority of their plays in the playbook. I 149 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: think he knows their philosophical ideas. But do I think 150 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: if you just said the specific play calls, he would 151 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: know who's going where. No fucking chance. And this always 152 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: speaks to when you have and this is Colin's big 153 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: thing defensive head coaches the impact on the offense. They 154 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 2: can't do anything beside motivation and beside look at the 155 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: guy play better or calm down, or it's gonna be okay. 156 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: But in terms of actual coaching, specific x'es and o's 157 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: specific offensive ideas, he doesn't bring anything to the table. 158 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: So when you see the quarterback in shambles kind of 159 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 2: screaming at guys, him and the offensive coordinator kind of 160 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: getting into it. The head coach, which him and the 161 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: quarterback are always the most important guys in your building beside. 162 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: The owner can't impact the game at all when it 163 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: comes to his offense, and he's just kind of standing 164 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 2: there looking. Occasionally, can call time out, occasionally, can let 165 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: the offense go for it. But I don't know what 166 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: the final numbers are. But I saw right before I 167 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: think the final drive the New Orleans Saints, they went 168 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: three of eighteen, three of eighteen on third down. That 169 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: is that's beyond dnemic. That's embarrassing. Now, they went four 170 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: to six on fourth down, so they got a bunch 171 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 2: of those. So obviously they didn't punt as many times 172 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: as they normally would have, right, so they essentially got 173 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: seven first downs in those scenarios, But to not convert 174 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: on third down, to me, they're terrible third down team. 175 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 2: I don't know where they rank after to night relative 176 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: to the league. They feel like one of the worst 177 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: in the NFL. And their red zone. A couple weeks 178 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: ago everyone was blasting the Dallas Cowboys and they're struggles 179 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: in the red zone. Obviously, it's a big topic around 180 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: the NFL red zone, offense, scoring offense. I wonder if 181 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: a little bit all these teams are less inclined to 182 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: kick field goals and you can think field goals aren't 183 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: that big a deal, but if you're averaging eighteen points 184 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: and you're passing on a couple field goals every other game, 185 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 2: that could be the difference between averaging twenty three points 186 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: and eighteen or nineteen points. Again, seems small, but in 187 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: the aggregate throughout the whole season, it's kind of a 188 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: big deal. But to me, the red zone offense for 189 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: whatever reason, I don't know if it's the rules at practice. 190 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's players changing. I don't know 191 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: if it's lack of offensive creativity with a certain amount of coaches. 192 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: But you watch Derek Carr, you watch the Saints. It's 193 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: not their skills. They have skill guys. They have enough 194 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 2: talented guys on the outside. This experiment is not going well. Now. 195 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 2: They're not out of it by any means because of 196 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: the division, but I would say early on, and I 197 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: think Saints fans would agree, there is a borderline disaster 198 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: forgiven that no one thought that they were gonna beat 199 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: like the Niners of the Eagles. But I thought it 200 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: was realistic with their defense and with a talent on 201 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: their team. If Derek could just be I don't know, 202 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: a top twelve thirteen quarterback. They could be an eleven 203 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: win team. I mean they're gonna struggle to win nine. 204 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 2: You can't depend on them at home. And like Seattle 205 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: Forever with Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll, I always viewed 206 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: New Orleans as one of the best home field teams. 207 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: Why the environment's crazy. They were booing these guys in 208 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: like the first quarter. It's the middle of October. It'd 209 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: be one thing if it's like December and your way 210 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: out of it. This is October. Your team's three and 211 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: three and they're booing them. And honestly, they had every 212 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: right to boo if you were, you know, a paying 213 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: customer and went to see that, especially when you've been 214 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: used to Sean Payton and Drew Brees. It's a big WTF. 215 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: This is the guy we've paid all this money for 216 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: and it's not like Ryan Fitzpatrick. You know, I kind 217 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 2: of said at halftime they should bench him now. I 218 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: think he's boys with Jamis. They played together in Tampa. 219 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: You're not benching Derek and then Derek all of a sudden, 220 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: we'll kind of play just the tip with you, like 221 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: it'll have a moment let them on that drive, so 222 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, there's something there, and then the end 223 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: of the game happens, you're like, what is going on? 224 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: So he's just a head scratching player. He really is. 225 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: He's been one of the most polarizing players in the 226 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 2: NFL for a long time, and tonight did not go 227 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: his way by any means. So the Saints, I don't 228 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 2: even know what to say. I think they are. They're 229 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 2: clearly not going anywhere this year. But to miss the 230 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: playoffs after paying a quarterback that much money and have 231 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: that much talent on your team would be unacceptable. It 232 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: really would. Now. I don't really have that many takeaways 233 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: from Jacksonville Beside, like I thought, Trevor's arm was a 234 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: little stronger now clearly his knees a little messed up. 235 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 2: I give a guy a lot of cred for plane injured. 236 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: We talk about this a lot with quarterbacks. We love 237 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: talking about the arm strength and the athleticism and how 238 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: tall the guy is. It's hard to quantify toughness. We 239 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: talked about it last week with Michael Pennix in the 240 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: Oregon Washington game. He was getting destroyed, kept shaking it off, 241 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: kept getting back in the huddle. I learn a lot 242 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: evaluating a quarterback, rooting for a player when I think 243 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: the guy's tough as nails. And I saw tonight Trevor 244 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: Lawrence clearly his knees a little messed up. I mean, 245 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: short week on the road, it would have been an 246 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 2: easy one. Kind of waved the white flag. Your division sucks. 247 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: As long as you get to ten wins, you're gonna 248 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: have a home playoff game. Dude played, found a way 249 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: to win, made some plays, definitely made some plays with 250 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: his legs. And Jacksonville's five and two, and I think 251 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: they're gonna win this division. I mean, this thing could 252 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: be over in early December when you factor in Tennesseeason 253 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: shambles with their quarterback and their team's clearly not as 254 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: talented it has been. You know, Houston, they're still really 255 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 2: young and they have a rookie quarterback. So I don't 256 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 2: see how you know when the dust settles here that 257 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: Tennessee or excuse me, the Jacksonville. I think they're looking 258 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: at it five and two. We didn't play that well 259 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: to start the season. Now we've won one, what four 260 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: straight games? Could we compete for like the two or 261 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 2: the three seed and their defense isn't that great, so 262 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: they're always gonna be flawed in that sense. But you know, 263 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: the quarterback proved a lot tonight, not statistically, not a 264 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: bunch of touchdown throws, but just like, hey, guys, you 265 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: drafted me to be a franchise quarterback, and there's more 266 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: than just throwing forty yard touchdowns. There's on a short 267 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 2: week when my knees a little fucked up, and listen, 268 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: we're playing a team that has a lot of talent, 269 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: especially on defense. I'm gonna be there for you so 270 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: you don't have to throw CJ. Bether out because if 271 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: you play CJ. Bether to night, Saints win, I don't 272 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: care how shitty Derek played. And yeah, so weird game. 273 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: Want to dive into a comment I saw from Devonte Adams. Now, 274 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: I was at I left Fresno State and went to 275 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: Philly and then DeVante came in, so I never was 276 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: around him, though I know a lot of people that 277 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: know him really well, and I know his basically mentor 278 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: slash wide receiver coach in college is now wide receiver 279 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: coach with the race. Evens swears by DeVante Adams, and 280 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: I'm a huge DeVante guy. I think he's everything you'd 281 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: want in a guy on your team in terms of talent, 282 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: in terms of leadership, in terms of work ethic. But 283 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: he had some comments that kind of went viral, you know, 284 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: and kind of rightfully so. And this is after they 285 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: won and they're three and three. Just by I got 286 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: a couple buddies that are Raider fans that text me 287 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: after they saw these comments. They're like, the craziest part 288 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: about this team is there three and three? Like, how 289 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: the hell are they three and three? John, Like, well, 290 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: they just played the Patriots. That helped. But here's what 291 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: Davante said. He said, I'm a human being and I 292 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: have extremely high standards for myself in this offense. I'm 293 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: sure people are thinking they won the game. Why is 294 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: there an issue? I mean, you see why it's an issue. 295 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: Y'all should know who I am, know what I'm about 296 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: at this point. When you're a player like me, mentally, 297 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: my benchmark is not wins and losses, it's greatness. So 298 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: when I get out there, I expect to be able 299 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: to have the ability to put that on tape and 300 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: have an influence on the game. That's my purpose for 301 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: being here. I'm not here to just hang out. I 302 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: came here to win and do it the right way. 303 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: And this statement and comments have been taken a million 304 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: different ways. And I saw a bunch of people on Instagram, 305 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: former NFL players kind of ripping them. I've seen people 306 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: defend them, James Jones, guys that have played with them. Listen. 307 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: I feel confident in what I know about him, and 308 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: the people I know and trust what they think about 309 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: this guy. I take Devanta Adams any day of the week, 310 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: but I don't feel sympathy for him here. He was 311 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: playing for the Green Bay Packers with a guy who 312 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: was rattling off MVPs, and he chose because the Packers 313 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: were willing, well, it got a little weird the year before, 314 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: but they were willing to pay every penny that the 315 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: Raiders paid to Devanta Adams. And he said, I don't 316 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: want your money. I want to be traded. And it's 317 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: one thing to say you want to be trade. I've 318 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: said before. Hell I just did it last year. I've moved. 319 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: I don't in my job, not restricted where I can live. 320 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: So anyone at a certain point in time in their career, 321 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: even in pro sports, like I don't want to be 322 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: here anymore. I understand it. And if he just said, hey, 323 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: I want to be traded, I get it, Like it's time. 324 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: He could sense the end was near with Aaron Rodgers, 325 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: but he said not only I want to be traded, 326 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: I want to go to the Raiders. And that's where, honestly, 327 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: I got to put up a red flag because if 328 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: you were at Apple and then all of a sudden 329 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 2: radio shack called and they said, listen, we can pay 330 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: you a lot of money. Come here, and you leave 331 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: and you have a lot of success at Apple, that's 332 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: on you, buddy. You went to the Raiders, who weren't 333 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: just a perpetual loser but have just been a consistent disaster. 334 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: But here's the other thing. Despite all the craziness around 335 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: the Raiders over the last twenty plus years that you 336 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 2: have lived through, because you grew up a Raider fan, 337 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: you wanted to play with your buddy Derek Carr. Okay, 338 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 2: I get it. Here's the problem, Like, you know what 339 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers looks like, and then before the season even ends, 340 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 2: Derek is set home and he's gone, and now you're 341 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: playing with Jimmy Garoppolo and Brian Hoyr. And this week 342 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: you're playing with Brian Hoyr, like this is the Raiders, bro. 343 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: Like you left to the organization that we could say, Hey, 344 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: the Packers don't have an owner. You know, the Packers 345 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: have some limitations. The Packers live in a small town. 346 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: I get it. But the great part about being a 347 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 2: pro athlete is like what I do if I'm gonna 348 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: make money unless I start some new profession. I could 349 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: do this the rest of my life, as long as 350 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: I can talk, as long as I can come up 351 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: with interesting shit to say, as long as I still 352 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: enjoy watching football and golf and just life, I can podcast. 353 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: Right. 354 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: As an athlete, your time's limited. So this limitation I get. 355 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 2: You have aspirations to play for your hometown team, even 356 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: though ironically they're in uh even though and he grew 357 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: up in Palo Alto. But you know what I mean, 358 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: It actually benefited Devaute because he gets to go to Vegas, 359 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: no state income tax, making a lot more money, now, 360 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: much cooler place to live than Oaka, California. Promise you 361 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: that I'd rather be in Vegas too, But you chose 362 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: that organization, and you chose a quarterback situation. And a 363 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: coach like you chose to like go play for Josh McDaniels, which, 364 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: let's face it is more than a question mark. Even 365 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 2: Raider fans listening to this right now and go middle cough. 366 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 2: You're just a hater. You're always talking about the Raiders. 367 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: Tell me what you really think about Josh McDaniels. You're 368 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: the same guy telling your buddy week after week we 369 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: need to fire this guy. Where listen, he had just 370 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: been playing and dominating with Lafour. So I don't have 371 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: an issue with the comments. I get DeVante being frustrated 372 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: because when you're a great player at wide receiver, shit 373 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: is out of your control. You need a wide receiver 374 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: to be able to get you the ball. But you 375 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 2: signed up for this place like it'd be one thing 376 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: if you were going to a consistent winner. You went 377 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: to a place over twenty years was the laughing stock 378 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,239 Speaker 2: of the league, and so you complaining like like no 379 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: one should know it better than you, a guy who 380 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: had a front row seat growing up rooting for this team. 381 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 2: So it's hard for me to have sympathy from the 382 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: playing standpoint. Now, the Miami Dolphins, what they have done 383 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: this year offensively has been a joy to watch. If 384 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: you just like turning on the TV and watching them 385 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 2: light up the scoreboard, it is really fun. Tyreek Hill 386 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: has gone to Miami and for two straight years put 387 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 2: a stamp on his Canton future Canton candidacy. Right, this 388 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: guy is an all time great player. He's actually for 389 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: as great as he was in Kansas City. All time 390 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: great champion, all time great player, all time great winner, 391 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: all time great playmaker. In big spots, it was like, 392 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 2: is he just kind of check it out going there 393 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: for the payday? No, he went there to kick ass 394 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: and take names. Enjoyable team, to watch their drafted running 395 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: backs or signed another sweet running backs waddle. Awesome. But 396 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people, because it is really fun, 397 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: feel a little bit like an NBA team that's scoring 398 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: a lot of points, like, well, you don't play defense, 399 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: and who have you played? So I wrote down their 400 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: opponents and I went, well, you know they're five and one, 401 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 2: what does it really look like? The first week, which 402 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 2: is their best win, was the Chargers And that was 403 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 2: when Brandon Staley, somehow, who's an NFL head coach, literally 404 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: did not cover Tyreek Hill put him one on one 405 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: with a guy that had no clue what he's doing 406 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: and currently is not on the team anymore. Then they 407 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: played the Pats, who absolutely stink. Then they play the Broncos, 408 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: who might be worse. Then they play the Bills and 409 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 2: got curb stomped. Then they played the Giants, also stink, 410 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: and then they just beat the Panthers, who, let's face it, 411 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: might win one game. So I'm not trying to diminish 412 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 2: how fun the bron Miami Dolphins event. Because you can 413 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: only play the people on your schedule, and unlike college, 414 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 2: you don't make the schedule the league does. Every team's 415 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: in the NFL, you're playing a bunch of people they're 416 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: getting paid to But let's face it, there's schedule beside. 417 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: The Bills has been pretty fucking easy, and they've annihilated 418 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: these guys, and everyone putting the Miami Dolphins right now 419 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: in like the Eagles and Niners class who have obviously 420 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: proven it now for a couple of years, the Bills 421 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: who have consistently gone to the playoffs, and obviously the 422 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: Chiefs and the Bengals other teams that have just been 423 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 2: consistently winning. I think we need to pump the brakes 424 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: a little bit. Now, I will be the first one 425 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: to admit, if they play on Sunday Night Football and 426 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: they beat the Eagles, I'll tip my hat to them 427 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: and call them a real team. But if, like the 428 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 2: Bills game, they get out played, like, I'm sorry, I'm 429 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: just not gonna treat them like these same teams on 430 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 2: the road. I get it, it's not at home, but 431 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 2: you played the Bills on the road a divisional game. 432 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: All you had to do, You're allowed to lose. That game, 433 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 2: got beat, you got destroyed, you got embarrassed, you got 434 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: curb stopped. So now when you're playing the Eagles, who, 435 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: let's face it, unlike the Bills have not exactly been peeking. 436 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: They're not exactly playing their best ball. They just lost 437 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 2: their quarterbacks and shambles, Like, you don't even need to 438 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: win the game. Can you just keep it close? Because 439 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I'm not someone who has just anointed 440 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 2: them think they're a fun team. I'll be the first 441 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 2: like they're going to the playoffs, but like, are they 442 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 2: a threat to make noise in the playoffs, because more 443 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: than likely they're gonna have to go on the road. 444 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: I definitely am not picking this team in inclement weather. 445 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: But let's just see them beat a good team before 446 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 2: we start acting like, oh the Dolphins, you know, fucking 447 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 2: Super Bowl contender. Let's pump the brakes there. This is 448 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: a big week for me to see the Dolphins beat 449 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 2: a real team. And then, last but not least, the 450 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 2: bold Take of the Week, brought to you by my 451 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: friends at Guinness. This is hard. Now, I got to 452 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: toot my own horn because I've been close a couple times. 453 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 2: I think I picked one week like the Panthers or 454 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 2: the Giants, and some upsets I've been off. I picked 455 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: Georgia to lose to Kentucky, and they destroyed Kentucky. And 456 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: then after the game, Mark Stoops said begged his boosters 457 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: to give them more money so they could buy players 458 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: that were as good as Georgia's pretty embarrassing to his 459 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: own roster, but that's what he said. It's honestly pretty truthful. 460 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 2: Last week I said that someone was gonna get fired. Now, 461 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 2: if you check the waiver wires, no coach has actually 462 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: been fired. Coordinator included, but Frank Reich did essentially fire himself. 463 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: Could have been Dave Temper two no longer the offensive 464 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 2: play car gave it to his offensive coordinator, Thomas Brown. 465 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 2: You know, even though these offensive coordinators when the head 466 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: coach is also a play caller and technically the offensive coordinator, 467 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: but you know what I mean. So I'm gonna take 468 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: a debut on that one. Frank demoted himself or was 469 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 2: demoted by the owner, so someone was essentially fired. They 470 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: just still get to get paid. My ball take of 471 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: the of the week this week is pretty simple. I 472 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 2: think the storm of Drake May and the draft conversation 473 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: is gonna get louder and louder. And I think all 474 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 2: off season and all last year, Caleb Williams was the 475 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: greatest thing since slice spread And if you watched him 476 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 2: early on at Oklahoma as a true freshman and then 477 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: last year at USC for the most part, he was incredible. 478 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: This year, like it's just it got a little weird 479 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: the last couple weeks now two weeks against Arizona. He 480 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: pulled that game out of his ass. If it wasn't 481 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: for him, they would not have won it. But last 482 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: week is the worst game he's probably ever played, definitely 483 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 2: the worst game he's ever played in college. And this 484 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: week he's playing Kyle Whittingham might be a top five 485 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: coach in all of college football. Last week he beat 486 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: Or Last year he beat Caleb Williams twice. The second game, 487 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 2: now Caleb was a little banged up, absolutely destroyed him. 488 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 2: This was the same guy that wrote fuck Utah on 489 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: his fingernails. So I think I'm not saying Utah is 490 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: gonna win. I talked to Stucky today, kind of talked 491 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 2: me out of it, but I do think things are 492 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 2: gonna get weird. And Utah's defense is big time, their 493 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 2: defensive philosophy is big time. Their defensive line is always awesome. 494 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 2: USC's offensive line is terrible, and I could just see 495 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 2: him having another questionable game, and the conversation just growing. 496 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to shit on Caleb Williams's draft projection. 497 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 2: He is a big time prospect, right, but so is 498 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 2: Drake May. And this conversation about one guy being anointed 499 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: and then the rest of the class like, it's already 500 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 2: growing by the day because in football, the way we 501 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: evaluate you, this is an AAU or some traveling back 502 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 2: baseball team. You get evaluated on the games, and when 503 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: you struggle against big time opponents, it just makes people 504 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 2: think and talk because in the NFL you're going to struggle. 505 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 2: It is really hard. You don't have a huge advantage 506 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: week in week out, especially when you're a highly drafted player. 507 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: I know Caleb's dad wants him to go to the 508 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 2: Chiefs or the Bills. Got news for you, that's not happening. 509 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 2: You're gonna go to a shitty organization. That's a fact. 510 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 2: So the more you struggle against these teams like Notre 511 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 2: Dame in Utah, well it just brings Drake May into play. 512 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 2: So my bold take of the week, I think things 513 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 2: are going to continue to get weird this week. I 514 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 2: don't like anything about usc outside of Caleb Williams, the coach, 515 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 2: the philosophy, the defense, just the vibe. And I think 516 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: sometimes as a player you can kind of get, you know, 517 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: entrapped by that and things start snowballing the wrong way. 518 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 2: So I like Utah to makes things really really weird 519 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 2: this weekend. That was the Bold Take of the Week, 520 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 2: brought to you by Guinness. Gather your friends, raise your 521 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 2: glasses and toast too a win. Guinness drought Stout imported 522 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 2: by Diagio Beer Company USA, New York, New York. Please 523 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:59,239 Speaker 2: drink responsibly. Okay, back at it again with my man 524 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 2: who's red hot, And honestly, when they jumped out to 525 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 2: a fourteen to nothing lead, I was thinking, Carolina gonna 526 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 2: win this shit outright, and then the Dolphins came storming 527 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 2: back and Boat raced him. But it was fun. And 528 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: obviously the Giant Sunday Night easily could have won that 529 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 2: game with Tyrod Taylor, but Stucky. 530 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: From the end couldn't get a yard. 531 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: Big bets on campus. You know, I'm glad I didn't 532 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 2: do that money line parlay at the two teams though, 533 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 2: when they were up fourteen nothing, I was in the 534 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: back of my head got one hundred dollars, might have 535 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: paid like seven thousand dollars for this two team money 536 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 2: line parlay. 537 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: I was thinking of you when because I didn't know 538 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: if you were gonna if you decided to pass or 539 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: parlay or just play one of them. And then during 540 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: the Panthers game, I was like, oh, wow, fourteen. Then 541 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: during the Giants game, I was like, man, I hope 542 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: John didn't have that at the end when they couldn't 543 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: get a yard multiple times. 544 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously it was big time smoking mirrors 545 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 2: with the Carolina, who was just terrible, right. I mean, 546 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 2: the Giants leg untimately have some fight in them. They 547 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 2: have a good coaching staff. I think that was a 548 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: good example of day ball. You know, clearly have a 549 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 2: pretty good beat on the team that they were playing. Uh. 550 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: But the Panthers, I mean they is it out of 551 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: the realm possibility? 552 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: Now? 553 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 2: Their division sucks because last week we were humbled. We 554 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: talked niners undefeated. They lost, Uh though they usually could 555 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 2: have won if the fucking guy can hit a field goal. 556 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: Carolina definitely doesn't have more than two wins in them. 557 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: So anytime that you're a two and fifteen team, you're 558 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: gonna be flirting because they're not gonna win a game 559 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: probably more than likely if they do by more than 560 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: more than a touchdown, they're gonna be flirting with it. 561 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: Especially as this goes on. I would say, having watched them, 562 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: they got a chance to not win a game. 563 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the their division isn't great, so they'll 564 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: probably I mean, they'll probably get one, but they're it's 565 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: bad the defense. The defense would probably get better. They 566 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: gotta get healthier. I mean, they're basically claiming about their 567 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: entire second right now, but yeah, it's a it's a 568 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: bad football team to not cover. It's the it was 569 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: the biggest spread of all time for a team not 570 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: to cover after jumping out to a fourteen nothing lead. 571 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: So it takes a lot of uh. 572 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: Well, stuck, stuck. You would have been up. You would 573 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: have been up plus twenty eight at the time. Yeah, 574 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: you would have been cruising. How do you lose? 575 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, and then they get a pick six lates, 576 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: I had some fourteen. Uh, they got to pick six 577 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: late and then gave and then onside kick they gave 578 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: up another touchdown to Mike White and didn't even push 579 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: my fourteen. So yeah, Panthers are on my ship list. 580 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: But uh, it's uh, we're onto another week of the NFL. 581 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: By the way, that in that I wanted to asked 582 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: you about that, Shanahan. The homefield advantage means a little 583 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: bit more in non conference, non conference, non divisional games 584 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: because of the lack of familiarity with just like little 585 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: nuances of stadiums I've seen. Uh, I don't I think 586 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 1: like ten to eleven games in Cleveland when I went out. 587 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: When I go to see the Ravens play there every 588 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: every year, and there's a flag in the corner of 589 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: the stadium and they call it the Phil Dawson flag, 590 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: and it when it's whipping that field goals in that 591 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 1: stadium are are wild and you get some wild misses 592 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: and the wind just pushes balls and Shanahan starts just, hey, 593 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a knee, and they cut. They cut 594 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: to the stadium with the camera and I saw that 595 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: flag whipping and it was whipping to the way that 596 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: he missed, and I was like, this is a mistake 597 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: up saying to myself, they need they should try to 598 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: get more yardage here. Inexperienced kicker, not familiar with the 599 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: stadium with just horrendered when that when winds pick up 600 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: in Cleveland and that wind that flag is going, it's 601 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: like whenever all like the really really smart fans that 602 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: have you know, been to many games there, whenever there's 603 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: a field goal tep everyone looked this flag in the 604 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: corner of the stadium and that thing was going one 605 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour towards the right and that's right 606 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: where the kick went. So like, if that was like 607 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: the Steelers or Ravens, it'll probably be familiar with that 608 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: flag and knowing, and I would have I personally would 609 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: have just tried to get you know, run it just 610 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: one or two more times, and he don't want to 611 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: make a mistake. It's a really good defense. It could 612 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: also cause a negative play, but I wasn't surprised that 613 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: he missed that kick that way, and that's what happened. 614 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: That's why I defended him, just because that defense looked 615 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: like the eighty five bears you or the steel curtain, 616 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: and you couldn't afford It's a different scenario. But like 617 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 2: Mario Christobal, what if you run it, McCaffrey's hurt, Mason fumbles, 618 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: what if you try some play action pass party slips 619 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: takes a sack? Like to me, because of the defense, 620 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 2: you were kind of on edge, and my thought was like, 621 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 2: well shit, for if you can't, you're drafting a kid 622 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 2: in the third round from the big ten who should 623 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 2: have a feel for whipping wins. But I put that 624 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 2: a little then on Kyle, for I know he short 625 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 2: lived time in Cleveland, but should have a feel for 626 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 2: the crazy wins in that place. I also think that 627 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: the guy that Moody, he had, he's done this twice now, 628 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: he did in a preseason game, and he just did 629 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 2: another game. He hooked his first kick. He's like a 630 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 2: golfer when you hook your first drive, your next drive like, 631 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: no matter what, I'm not going to the left trees. 632 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 2: You end up slicing it the other way. And the 633 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: ball started out even despite the wind, basically at the 634 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 2: pylon because he's probably afraid to just let it get 635 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: pushed on the left pilon Because his last kick hook, 636 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 2: I think he's got like this thing in his head 637 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 2: and this is the knock, and I support, like, I 638 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 2: got no problem if you love a kicker. They had 639 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 2: a million third round picks draft the guy. But unlike 640 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: other positions where it's like, well, he's never gonna live 641 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: up to hype, but you can he can be like 642 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 2: a rotational dB or he can be a rotational slot receiver. 643 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 2: As a kicker, he's either gonna be good or bad. 644 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 2: There's like no middle ground. And right now now it's 645 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: it's a little sketchy, and they've had and they're just 646 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 2: gonna play in some tight games, right whether it's the Eagles, 647 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: whether it's the Cowboys against the Lions, whoever, in the playoffs, 648 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: they play the Eagles in the regular season the Seattle 649 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 2: short week, like, they have been pretty dependent during their 650 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: success with the kicker in Robbie Gold and I think 651 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: it's I wouldn't say he's a major question mark, but 652 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 2: it's definitely a conversation that everyone has when they when 653 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 2: they roll them out, like is this guy gonna miss? 654 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: Yeah? No, It's it's a good point too in that, 655 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Samuel McCaffrey were hurt playing a 656 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: defense that creates a ton of negative plays. 657 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 2: It's also the line have been getting worked and there's a. 658 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: Wet ball, so like you could fumble it, and so 659 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: I could see it. But I disagree with Look, there's 660 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: very few exceptions where these high draft kickers work out. 661 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: One of the only few is Janikowski, who was actually 662 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: taken in the first round at different times. 663 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 2: Sneaky hot take on a hot take on Sea Bass. 664 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 2: Sneaky a little overrated when you look at his numbers 665 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 2: because he played on such a shitty team for so 666 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 2: long and he was a cool famous guy. He actually 667 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 2: I went to a lot of the Raider games. He 668 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 2: missed a ton of kicks. Not as good as the 669 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 2: hype behind him. 670 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: I agree he had a big leg, but I'm saying 671 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: that he at least like gave you longevity. And I 672 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: mean Kave York the kid for the Browns, so they 673 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: had a cut was a third ground draft of two 674 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 1: years ago. There are countless, countless exam Guio. Yeah, the best, 675 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: like you just mentioned Gold undrafted, best kicker in NFL history, 676 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: Justin Tucker undrafted, Like the best kickers have been just 677 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: undrafted fines. So yeah, it'll be interesting to watch Moody 678 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: going forward and if he yeah, because it seems like 679 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: he's like over correcting a little bit, which you don't 680 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: want your kicker to be thinking about. 681 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little bit like drafting a high quarterback. 682 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 2: The pressure everyone's like, well, you drafted this kicker really high, 683 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: Like Daniel Carlson, who's really good for the Raiders cut 684 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 2: by another team, right, so he wasn't even your pick. 685 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 2: That happens all the time with kickers. Maybe they're draft 686 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 2: in the fifth or sixth round, but they go on 687 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: to have success for another team, so there's like zero 688 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 2: pressure when they go somewhere else. And I think this 689 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 2: Moody thing, a huge part of his story was like 690 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 2: you drafted this guy on the second day, right, it's 691 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 2: not legend in Michigan hit all these kids. No one 692 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 2: even cares about that now, So I'm with you, there's 693 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 2: I'm not disputing there's a lot of risk. But like 694 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 2: the other dude, they drafted in the third round a 695 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 2: lot to this tight end from Alabama's on injured reserve, 696 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 2: so they're like, there's a crapshoot. But like you said, 697 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 2: the history of drafting kickers just in general, like even 698 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 2: a fifth round pick the Minnesota Vikings to Carlson in 699 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 2: the fifth round, not even on their team, right, so 700 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 2: it's like he's having success somewhere else. So yeah, it's 701 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 2: it could get dicey. Luckily, Robbie Gold just playing, you know, 702 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 2: playing golf in Chicago, so he his phone will ring. 703 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 2: I promise you that if if he missed another kick. 704 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: That's the Browns. And the Browns went out and they 705 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: signed just the veteran Hopkins and he's been good for them. 706 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, before we get to the site, whenever Janikowski's 707 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: brought up, I have to bring up this clip. Whoever, 708 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: if you're listening, want to chuckle, just go to YouTube 709 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: type in Janikowski Lane Kiffen. One week before Davis fired 710 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: Lane kiffen he trotted Janikowski out at the end of 711 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: the first half in a game to attempt outdoors to 712 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: attempt a seventy six yard field goal against the wind. 713 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 1: One of the funniest plays. The announcers are like flabbergasted. 714 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: The kick came off like twenty yards short. But Lane 715 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: Kiffin attempted a seventy six yard field goal into the 716 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 1: wind with Janikowski in an NFL game. But one week 717 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:39,760 Speaker 1: before he got fired. 718 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 2: Well, you know you're a Philly guy. You probably remember 719 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 2: when Akers we played like the Packers the year they 720 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl, missed a bunch of kicks, didn't 721 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 2: resign him. He goes to the Niners. It has like 722 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 2: a career year with Harball and they end up going 723 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 2: to the NFC Championship and losing. The ELI team we 724 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 2: drafted this dude named Henry from Nebraska, I think in 725 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 2: the four round, and by the middle of training camp 726 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 2: the dude couldn't get it even close to the uprights 727 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 2: was all and he was gone within like a year. 728 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 2: So it's just it shows you, like a lot of 729 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 2: positions beside quarterback, you can just mix them in, right, 730 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 2: So even if they're not ready to a kicker you have. 731 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 2: There's not like two kickers on your team. The guy's 732 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 2: either good or he's not. So it's the pressure on 733 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 2: that position. While most humans make fun of it all 734 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 2: special teams, it is uniquely like you're pretty dependent on 735 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 2: the guy, right, I mean, you need the guy to 736 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,720 Speaker 2: fucking make kicks. Let's dive into college. I listen people 737 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 2: like when you hear the casual person, like in the Northeast, 738 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 2: they don't really care about college football New York, right, Washington, Boston. 739 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 2: I think there's probably some validity and truth to that. 740 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 2: But having lived in Philly, Penn State's a pretty big deal. Obviously, 741 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 2: a lot of people that live in that general area 742 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 2: either grow up Penn State fan, go to school there. 743 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 2: It was I was there when the Sandusky thing happened, 744 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 2: and that's all anyone talked about, just because it resonated 745 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 2: with a lot of people. Joe Paul the program, So 746 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 2: I you know, I've always kind of liked the Big 747 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 2: Ten beside the PAC twelve followed it closely my whole life. 748 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 2: They were always on TV when I was a kid. 749 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 2: I hate Ohio State for whatever reason. I don't really 750 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 2: know why. I just do not like them, Like I 751 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 2: don't really like Texas football either, but I legitimately don't 752 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 2: like Ohio State and not a big fan of Ryan Day. 753 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 2: And I am behind what Harboss said landing on third 754 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 2: base because I do think there's some validity to that comment. 755 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 2: Like Urban Meyer handed him a loaded program which always 756 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 2: kind of runs itself. And let's face it, the last 757 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 2: couple of years, everyone always points to his record where 758 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 2: he's got beat by Michigan twice and this year, I 759 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 2: think there is a ton of pressure on him obviously 760 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 2: this week and everyone what's Michigan right now? To look 761 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: aheadline in that game? Favored by a touchdown or depends 762 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 2: if they win this game. 763 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll depend on this. But Michigan at home probably 764 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: as of right now, it probably likes yeah, four and 765 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: a half five right now. But if they lose this game, 766 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: you can get up to a touchdown and Michigan keeps yes. 767 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 2: So he's a clear underdog against Michigan. He's favored in 768 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 2: this game. But I don't love James Franklin. It's not 769 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 2: like I think he's like some historic coach, but he 770 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 2: has built a really good team and I'll give James this. 771 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 2: James is an offensive guy, former wide receiver coach. Watch 772 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,399 Speaker 2: their defense. He really cares about that side of the ball. 773 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 2: Like you watch Lincoln Riley. Offensive guy doesn't give a shit. 774 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 2: I think Ryan Day is kind of obsessed with the 775 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 2: quarterback and the wide receivers, which has served him well. 776 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 2: But I think that pro when I think Ohio State, 777 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 2: and you've been watching this conference, probably more closely than 778 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 2: me over your life, feels like Ohio State and the 779 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 2: peak of their powers was always dominant on defense, right 780 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 2: and now I watch him the last couple of years 781 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 2: like that was their downfall against Michigan. So I'm going 782 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:47,280 Speaker 2: Penn State in this game. 783 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like Penn State as well. I will give credit. 784 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 1: I'm not a Ryan Day guy either. James Franklin has 785 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: taken money from me in the past with his antics 786 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: at the end of games when he covers with fake 787 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: kneel down so earlier this year with the backup quarterback 788 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 1: up like thirty. But anyway, I will give I'll give 789 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: credit to and I agree with some of the things 790 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: you said and that Harball alluded to with Day and 791 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,760 Speaker 1: his play calling has been kind of questionable at times. 792 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: I will give credit to both coaches in that they 793 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: went out in recent seasons and hired two of the 794 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: most respective defensive coordinators in the country, Jim Knowles, who 795 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: came from Oklahoma State and Manny Diaz, who I think 796 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: got a pretty bad up for his head, but he 797 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: just wasn't a great head coach, but always a great 798 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. So these both these seams have really solid 799 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: defensive coordinators. Ohio State's defense had fallen off a cliff 800 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: a lot better this year. They might be down their 801 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: star corner Denzel Burke worth monitoring, but their defense is 802 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: a lot better this year. Penn State's defense is dominant. 803 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: But I like Penn State to win this game. I 804 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: think it's to be closelow scoring like the under. I'm 805 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: not am a cord guy, alers not throwing the ball 806 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: down the field. Both teams has some offensive line issues. 807 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: I think the defensive lines on each side are going 808 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 1: to win in the trenches. The biggest question for me, 809 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: and the biggest unknown, is the Penn State offense. So 810 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: like we don't know, We just don't know. They haven't 811 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: thrown the ball down field at all. Like I'm talking 812 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: nine times on the third of all twenty yards downfield 813 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 1: the entire season. Now, they haven't had to right their defense. 814 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: They played nobody. I mean you've played the Delaware, UMass. 815 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: I mean, they've played Northwestern, they played absolutely nobody. Illinois 816 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: is the best team that they played. So they haven't 817 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: had to do it. They've gotten short fields, they've turned 818 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: teams over. So the question is the question the question 819 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: coming in with this Penn State team because they are 820 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: in the discussion of all right, who are the teams 821 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: because this year at seven to ten teams, who are 822 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: the teams that could win the national title? Penn State's 823 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: in that discussion. But the question with them is they 824 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: have the defense, and they have the talent at quarterback. 825 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 1: We haven't seen yet, but the wide receiver room and 826 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: the quarterback. You gotta prove it. You're gonna have to 827 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,080 Speaker 1: score points you're gonna have. 828 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 2: On the road. It's hard. 829 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is what we'll we'll find out about 830 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 1: Penn State because there was just no there's no data 831 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: point to know as of right now. And an argument 832 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: is that Penn State just wasn't They didn't have to, 833 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: so why show much, right, the new quarterback and new 834 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: receiving room. So you know, there's that's the big question 835 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,439 Speaker 1: coming into here. Can aler in this offense? They're gonna 836 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: have to hit some shots, So you're not going to 837 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: just completely shut down this Ohio State offense, although Notre 838 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: Dame basically did for an entire game. But Marvin Harrison 839 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: Junior is gonna probably have two touchdowns somehow, So you're 840 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: gonna have to do something in the passing game. And 841 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: that's what we'll learn about Penn State. But yeah, I 842 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: think Penn State finds a way to win this game, 843 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: low scoring, like the under. 844 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 2: One thing that would be interesting if Penn State does 845 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,959 Speaker 2: pull off the upset is they do get Michigan at home. Yeah, 846 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 2: and we know that that place it's already slated looking 847 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 2: at the schedule for a morning kickoff, but who knows, 848 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 2: maybe that's maybe they could change that. If they could 849 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,839 Speaker 2: pull that off at night a white out, that place 850 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 2: would be going bananas. 851 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then uh yeah, it'd be like it'd be 852 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: like base of Penn cyvy Ohio State. Probably Penn State 853 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: minus one in that game pick. 854 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,760 Speaker 2: Because not like Michigan's playing anybody. 855 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mitch, we won't get anything more from Michigan. Michigan 856 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: will just keep blowing out bad teams until that game. 857 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 2: Okay, last week, and I've been doing this, try to 858 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 2: pick a team in the NFL who I thought would 859 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,319 Speaker 2: just better than the other team, and it worked until 860 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 2: I went with the Saints, who were recording this before 861 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,800 Speaker 2: Thursday night game. I would never bet on the Saints, 862 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 2: like Derek Carr get at it like that would give 863 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 2: me a break. Last week was an embarrassment, But there 864 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 2: was a game. I couldn't really find a game that 865 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 2: I loved this week on the NFL slate to handle that. 866 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 2: I was thinking maybe Seattle at home hosting Arizona, but 867 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 2: Arizona's feisty, so it's like I stayed away one game 868 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 2: I love. Now that's a little different philosophy because both 869 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 2: these two teams in theory are good. But Utah beat 870 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 2: this team twice last year, and defensively, Utah is really good. 871 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 2: USC's got a lot of issues and Utah's offense because 872 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 2: they they're starting quarterback and even their backup quarterback got 873 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 2: hurt enough yeah tackle scrimmage to turn August, so that 874 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,320 Speaker 2: their quarterback situation has been a little bit of a mess. 875 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,320 Speaker 2: But defensively. Kyle Whittingham is one of the best coaches 876 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 2: in the country, and the moment Lincoln Riley signed for 877 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty million dollars, he circled that game. 878 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 2: Every time they play it means a lot to him. Obviously, 879 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 2: last year the fuck Utah and Caleb's had fingernails. I 880 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 2: just think Utah is going to be able to physically 881 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 2: play with them. Now do I know if they win 882 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 2: the game, I don't know. I don't know if i'd 883 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 2: take a money line, but getting seven points against a 884 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 2: team that he's going to be very comfortable playing. He's 885 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 2: always played USC well since he's been you know, since 886 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 2: they've gone into the Pac twelve, they've upset him several times. 887 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,240 Speaker 2: Early on looking back, it probably wasn't even as crazy 888 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 2: of an upset as we thought. But now that they're 889 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,839 Speaker 2: kind of viewed as equals, I just like Utah. I 890 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 2: actually love Utah plus seven. 891 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: I slightly disagrabe it. I played USC earlier in the 892 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,839 Speaker 1: week this line has gone out. There's a couple of things. 893 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: I mean, Utah's offense is dreadful. I mean it is 894 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: bad that no quarterback without Cam Rising. Now they're down 895 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,240 Speaker 1: their time to tight ends. I mean Kuthy hasn't played. 896 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna red shat along with Rising. They 897 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 1: just lost Thomas Yasmin, their next starting tight end. They 898 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,439 Speaker 1: have no receivers, They can't throw the ball at all. 899 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 2: They moved they moved a defensive player last week to 900 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,400 Speaker 2: running back. But he did go for a buck forty, didn't. 901 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,240 Speaker 1: They Yeah, he played, he played well this and he 902 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,399 Speaker 1: was playing on both sides there. I just it's gonna 903 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 1: it's hard for me to see them. And look, they 904 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: haven't played. They played five Power five teams, but they 905 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: played like all freshman quarterbacks getting their first start, including 906 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 1: last week. They played Graham Mertz in his first game 907 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: when they even when they went down to Baylor, they 908 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: played their backup quarterback in Baylor. It's bad this year, 909 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: so they haven't really played an offense with a pulse yet. 910 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: There's their star safety and defensive leader, Cole Bishop is 911 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 1: out for a bullshit targeting call that he got in 912 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter last week. He's gonna be out in 913 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: the first half. That's big because if they get behind 914 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 1: in this game, it's it's trouble because they're just not 915 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: going to be able to keep up, and then the 916 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: way that they can look, they can, Hey, we're gonna 917 00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: be physical and we're gonna and they will out physical us. See, 918 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,919 Speaker 1: but USC could just load the box here. They don't 919 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 1: have to worry about a thing on the outside. And 920 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 1: guess what USC did last week and Notre Dame didn't 921 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 1: really do anything on offense. USC and Kayle Willims just 922 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 1: turned it over five times. They don't even only had 923 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty yards the only average like four 924 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 1: yards per carry. But I think USC comes out here 925 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 1: with their hair on fire after last week, trying to 926 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: avenge those two losses last year. I look, I think 927 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: Winningham is a better coach, they have a better stat 928 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: they're more physical, but I just think with the quarterback situation, 929 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 1: it's it's tough to see them keeping up. But I 930 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,879 Speaker 1: don't blame you for wanting to take the seven now 931 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: that it's out of touchdown. 932 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if it was to say USC gets 933 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 2: to twenty eight points, you know, can can Utah get 934 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 2: to that kind of three touchdown mark and it could 935 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,520 Speaker 2: be difficult. But USC's defense is not good either, and 936 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 2: to me, that align Notre Dame shoved him around. Obviously, 937 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 2: that's how Utah historically just wins. Right their defensive front, 938 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,400 Speaker 2: it's just full of NFL guys. They'd have to ugly 939 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 2: the game. I'm not expecting three turnovers from k but 940 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 2: it just it gets ugly. Now, maybe there's I think 941 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,640 Speaker 2: you're gonna learn a lot about USC, right getting your 942 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 2: ass kicked and then playing a team who just humbled 943 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 2: you last year, so you, in theory, should get USC's 944 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,919 Speaker 2: best in Lincoln Riley. You pay one hundred and twenty 945 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,399 Speaker 2: million dollars for this, like how you bounce back when 946 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,839 Speaker 2: when you lose. So it's it's a big game too 947 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 2: for Caleb, Like there is a promise you there's growing 948 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 2: Drake may buzz, especially now Teses Walker's back, Like it's 949 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,320 Speaker 2: not obviously he's the number one prospect, but this gap 950 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 2: it's not like Trevor Lawrence is Zach Wilson. It ain't 951 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 2: Grand Canyon size. I promise you that. In Executives, Okay, 952 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,279 Speaker 2: let's dive into some of your picks, Pats, this Mac 953 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,839 Speaker 2: Jones thing is getting worse by the week. Buffalo's getting 954 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 2: weird though obviously last week you chalking that up to 955 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 2: just playing Brian Day ball Sunday night, getting a Giant's 956 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 2: kitchen sink game, or the injuries, just some weird stuff 957 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,879 Speaker 2: going on divisional game. You know, this feels like if 958 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,919 Speaker 2: you just ask the casual fans ow Bills are gonna 959 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 2: kill them, but you know you never to at home. 960 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,400 Speaker 2: My question is this, when does the New England crowd 961 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,400 Speaker 2: start to be like kind of shitty. You know that 962 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 2: they've been for twenty plus years rocking and rolling. There 963 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,120 Speaker 2: are they gonna get the same kind of buzz at 964 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 2: kickoff that they're used to. I wonder if it kind 965 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,719 Speaker 2: of starts to dwin. I don't even blame if I 966 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,439 Speaker 2: was a season ticket holder, be like, I'd be giving 967 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 2: my tickets away right now. 968 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is probably the last game that you'll see 969 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,240 Speaker 1: a good crowd. I mean, even if it gets the Saints, 970 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,520 Speaker 1: they have they have to crowd left before half. I 971 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,880 Speaker 1: was talking to the season ticket holder there, Uh, this is 972 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,839 Speaker 1: the last game because it's the Bills. Yeah he left 973 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,759 Speaker 1: that he left as well. It's the Bills. People are 974 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,359 Speaker 1: still like just enthralled about what's going on. They want 975 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: to come and booze, still like it's but eventually they're 976 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: gonna stop going the Pats are a mess right now. 977 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: Hopefully the offensive line gets a lot better. I mean 978 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,120 Speaker 1: the offense line they've been trotting out there. If you 979 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: look at like past block grading, some of the guys 980 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,840 Speaker 1: because of their injuries, are like among the ten worst, 981 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 1: three or four of their guys. I'm on the ten 982 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,240 Speaker 1: worst of out of two hundred offensive lineman. So hopefully 983 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: you get like Reef and Strange back. But the Bills, 984 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I just think this is it sucks 985 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,920 Speaker 1: about vetting the Pats. They're awful, and even on special teams, 986 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,680 Speaker 1: like in every phase. Belchicks definitely has no speed on 987 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,440 Speaker 1: his fastball and no Tom Brady to save him. But 988 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,799 Speaker 1: this line is just too high in individual game, I 989 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: mean two A couple of weeks ago, the you know, 990 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: the Bills were eight and a half point favorites at 991 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 1: home in a great spot after loss against the Raiders, 992 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,560 Speaker 1: and now they're eight and a half points of eight 993 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,880 Speaker 1: and a half point favorite on the road against the Patriots. 994 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,400 Speaker 1: And in that game against the Raiders they were fully healthy. 995 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 1: They've now basically lost three all pro caliber, you know, 996 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,720 Speaker 1: three guys playing at all pro level on the defense. 997 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,360 Speaker 1: Matt Mlana's leader, their defense dropping, you're falling off to 998 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,759 Speaker 1: a rookie day Kwon Jones playing it at all pro 999 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,839 Speaker 1: level defensive tackle you don't know, like Tim Settle. Then 1000 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: you're going from you know, Trey White, your lockdown corner 1001 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 1: to Kyrie Elom who's been a in the NFL. Those 1002 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 1: are massive drop offs. So they already had trouble stop 1003 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: in the run. Now they're gonna have coverage issues. Mcdermot's 1004 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,800 Speaker 1: gonna have to figure that out. The offense also is 1005 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,719 Speaker 1: in rhythm the past two weeks. You know, you saw 1006 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,359 Speaker 1: that against Jacksonville. He saw last week against Giants two 1007 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,280 Speaker 1: bad defenses, and Josh Allen's dealing with a short sore shoulder, 1008 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: so I'm not sure if he's just off in that sense. 1009 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,359 Speaker 1: So you know, the Patriots defense is still respectable. At least, 1010 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 1: this is a team that still at least has three 1011 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 1: to one possession losses. Two of them came at home 1012 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,919 Speaker 1: to Philly and Miami, so they at least played those 1013 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,400 Speaker 1: teams tough. I just think this line is now too high. 1014 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, the Patriots are two point two and 1015 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: a half point favorites at home against the Saints. Now 1016 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 1: they're catching eight and a half. The Saints are bad, 1017 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,040 Speaker 1: but they're not ten points worse than the Bills on 1018 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,440 Speaker 1: a neutral field. So I think this is just a 1019 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,280 Speaker 1: low point. You have to do this in the NFL. 1020 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:53,879 Speaker 1: This is a low point. 1021 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,399 Speaker 2: He did a last week, He did it last week, 1022 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,279 Speaker 2: He did it last week. 1023 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,280 Speaker 1: Just you got to catch try to catch the falling knife. 1024 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 1: So I'm and low on the Pats and this Bill teams. 1025 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,759 Speaker 1: Eithery're playing well, and I don't think the market is 1026 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,120 Speaker 1: fully adjusted to all the defensive injuries. It's not just 1027 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,760 Speaker 1: the losing three, and they have other injuries like Russo 1028 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,440 Speaker 1: is still hard shock lost and is still dealing with 1029 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,960 Speaker 1: an injury at Oliver's dealing with an injury. They have 1030 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,440 Speaker 1: a couple of corners that are dinged up, so like 1031 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 1: they're kind of a mess right now, and their offense 1032 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,360 Speaker 1: isn't in any type of rhythm. The only thing that 1033 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,600 Speaker 1: Patriots is doing are doing really well this year. They're 1034 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: taking away number one receivers and that's always been a 1035 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,319 Speaker 1: Belichick stable, take away your best weapon. They ranked number 1036 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,440 Speaker 1: one in the NFL against opposing number one receivers. You know, 1037 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,439 Speaker 1: even after they lost Christiaan Gonzalez, they they took away 1038 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,040 Speaker 1: DeVante Adams Chris Alave, so they could take away here 1039 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 1: Diggs focus on him and then the rest of the 1040 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 1: Bill's offense. It's it's met right now. And the Pats 1041 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,280 Speaker 1: for how bad they've been, they've been extremely unlucky with fumbles, 1042 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,520 Speaker 1: fourth downs, field goals. So like all these little picks 1043 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 1: that are making six pick six is that they're making 1044 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,239 Speaker 1: it look were way worse than it. Actually it is bad. 1045 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,560 Speaker 1: But so they're due for a couple of bounces here 1046 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,719 Speaker 1: there divisional game if either last hurrah before this gets 1047 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 1: really ugly. So I think it's too many points. I'm 1048 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,319 Speaker 1: holding my nose here. It's it's awful. I know. 1049 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,239 Speaker 2: I feel like Bill would have a big market if 1050 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,040 Speaker 2: he you know, he's over kind of being the head 1051 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,960 Speaker 2: Haunt show gets fired just I'm just gonna be a 1052 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,280 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. It feels like a lot of teams would 1053 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,040 Speaker 2: would line up for that and fire their defensive coordinator 1054 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,760 Speaker 2: to hire Old Belichick. Okay, before we dive into your team, 1055 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,560 Speaker 2: this is a pretty interesting game. Obviously, Sean McVay, his 1056 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 2: wife could have a baby any day, and that's you 1057 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 2: know he would. I don't think he's officially announced he 1058 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,120 Speaker 2: would miss the game. I know he said yesterday under 1059 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,240 Speaker 2: no circumstance. My son knows better he's not coming on Sunday. 1060 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,839 Speaker 2: But that would be a little bit of a curve ball, 1061 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,560 Speaker 2: given that he's the play caller if all of a 1062 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,600 Speaker 2: sudden she went into labor Sunday morning or something. So 1063 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,200 Speaker 2: you got to keep an eye on that. The Steelers. 1064 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,759 Speaker 2: Every time I look on social media where it's a 1065 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 2: Penguin's game, it's somewhere their fans are chanting fire Matt Canada. 1066 00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 2: It's not like they improved over their bye week. So 1067 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,600 Speaker 2: you know, the Rams last week was actually pretty impressive. 1068 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,480 Speaker 2: I watched a decent amount of that game. They beat 1069 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,239 Speaker 2: the shit at Arizona, probably Arizona's worst effort of the 1070 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,799 Speaker 2: year so far. In La a lot of pit that. 1071 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,879 Speaker 2: There will be a lot of Steeler fans there, that's 1072 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,840 Speaker 2: for damn sure. This team travels well. I've been to 1073 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 2: I've been seeing him play the Niners and the Raiders 1074 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,480 Speaker 2: in the Bay Area and they always filled that stadium. 1075 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,840 Speaker 2: But are the Steelers like if you don't get a T. J. 1076 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,760 Speaker 2: Watt sack fumble or a pick six, how do they score? 1077 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? I like the Rams here minus three. This is 1078 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,960 Speaker 1: also like, it's not a classic Tomlins spot. I know 1079 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,920 Speaker 1: he's a dog, but I consider dog spots over a 1080 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,400 Speaker 1: field goal. They're playing a team that's five hundred and 1081 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,000 Speaker 1: for what it's worth, just Tomlins thirty four forty one 1082 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,320 Speaker 1: and one against the spread on the road against teams 1083 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,440 Speaker 1: with a non winning record, fifth least profitable coach of 1084 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,319 Speaker 1: all time in that spot, one in five after a 1085 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 1: bye week, playing on the road against a team with 1086 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,640 Speaker 1: a non winning record, And like, this isn't they they're 1087 00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,440 Speaker 1: coming off of a big win. This isn't like your 1088 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,520 Speaker 1: hype gets you up spot at home if they you know, 1089 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,320 Speaker 1: once they lose this game at home against the Jags 1090 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,319 Speaker 1: next week, that's when he gets them up. And then 1091 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,799 Speaker 1: Waton they inject Watton high Smith with something, and then 1092 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,920 Speaker 1: they score two touchdowns because honestly, without the Ravens dropping 1093 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,839 Speaker 1: a bunch of passes and then Watton Heights with going 1094 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,040 Speaker 1: bananas against Cleveland and Baltimore, this team is one win 1095 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,279 Speaker 1: over the raven over the Raiders, that's it. Like this 1096 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,719 Speaker 1: is a one win team. The offense is horrendous. They're 1097 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,120 Speaker 1: dead last and success rate in the NFL like worse 1098 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,719 Speaker 1: than Zack Wilson and the Jets like it's bad they 1099 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,880 Speaker 1: won play. They just throw at the George Pickens down 1100 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:38,000 Speaker 1: the sidelines. That's their entire offense. So both defenses like 1101 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,200 Speaker 1: the defense of each defense. You would think like the 1102 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,080 Speaker 1: Steelers like, yeah, they have great edge rushers, the Rams 1103 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,200 Speaker 1: of Aaron Donald. Both post secutors are very questionable outside 1104 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,080 Speaker 1: of Mika Fitzpatrick for the Steelers, very questionable on the 1105 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,960 Speaker 1: outside at corner. Rams could take advantage of that. And 1106 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,560 Speaker 1: I think that's the difference in this game. I think 1107 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,000 Speaker 1: it's it's it's that simple, is that I don't trust 1108 00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,919 Speaker 1: the Steelers offense to score and both defenses are great 1109 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,920 Speaker 1: out around league average. Remorse one a great job with 1110 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,640 Speaker 1: this Rams deep with the lack of talent that he has, 1111 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,160 Speaker 1: and they've played one of the toughest schedules of opposing offenses. 1112 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,359 Speaker 1: But the you know, I just trust Stafford and then 1113 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,399 Speaker 1: with you know, cutback Niko Kua at well to make 1114 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,040 Speaker 1: more plays in the passing game against the Steelers defense 1115 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,960 Speaker 1: that's been bad against the past. They also you can 1116 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,200 Speaker 1: also run them a bit with Cam Hayward out in 1117 00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,439 Speaker 1: the middle. Their run defense falls off a cliff without him, 1118 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,480 Speaker 1: and I just don't trust that Steelers offense to do enough. 1119 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,680 Speaker 1: And this is in your classic Tomlin spot where you 1120 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,600 Speaker 1: just throw out the stats and be like, he's gonna 1121 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,760 Speaker 1: fire them up. Find a way. You know, they're sitting 1122 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,879 Speaker 1: three and two in first place coming off of a win, 1123 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's all but by the playing a 1124 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:45,240 Speaker 1: non conference opponent. So yeah, I just trust the Rams 1125 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,040 Speaker 1: offense much more here than the Steelers. 1126 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,359 Speaker 2: I think the Rams win this game. I mean they 1127 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,480 Speaker 2: were already talking about him like that, but I mean 1128 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 2: they feel like they're on a fast track to be 1129 00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,000 Speaker 2: that nine and eight kind of wild card team, which 1130 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,360 Speaker 2: would be a very very press of year for McVeigh 1131 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 2: because guys like me and I think I don't think 1132 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,319 Speaker 2: I was alone, thought they were really gonna suck, and 1133 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,400 Speaker 2: they haven't. Not only not sucked, they've been really explosive offensively. 1134 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:11,800 Speaker 2: Like you said, I mean, they're passing game now that 1135 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,759 Speaker 2: Cooper cups back. Niko is good. I saw they got 1136 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 2: a bunch of running back injuries. But unlike his you know, 1137 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 2: mentor Shanahan, McVeagh is like fill dump the run game 1138 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,160 Speaker 2: at a moment's notice. He could throw it. He's like 1139 00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,560 Speaker 2: he's got a loy Andy Reid and I mean he 1140 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 2: throw it fifty times a game. 1141 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, they they they they get They sacrificed their future 1142 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,840 Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl, which fans would be happy with, 1143 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,479 Speaker 1: even though you know they dry it worked. It worked. 1144 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,240 Speaker 1: It worked. Even you know cart catches a pick, it doesn't. 1145 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 1: But they have to hit. Look, Stafford's now healthy and 1146 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,920 Speaker 1: they have such little draft capital moving forward. In order 1147 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,560 Speaker 1: for them not to fall off a cliff, like Aaron 1148 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,880 Speaker 1: Donalds be around forever, Staffords uck be around forever, they 1149 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,360 Speaker 1: have to hit on like every draft pick, and like 1150 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,640 Speaker 1: hitting on guys like you know, Nikuah Steve Avia looks 1151 00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 1: like he's gonna be a pretty good guard. I think 1152 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,480 Speaker 1: that was their first pick in like the third round 1153 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,880 Speaker 1: this year. So they got to hit on their draft 1154 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,720 Speaker 1: picks because they don't have many going forward, and you're 1155 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 1: gonna lose Stafford and you're gonna lose donald eventually. So 1156 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,080 Speaker 1: that's something to watch too. 1157 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,919 Speaker 2: What a weird way, because the bidding for McCaffrey last 1158 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,640 Speaker 2: year was the Rams and the Niners, and the Niners 1159 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,640 Speaker 2: just trumped them because it was like a second, a 1160 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,560 Speaker 2: third the Niners out a fourth they didn't. I think 1161 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,080 Speaker 2: the Rams got lucky that they didn't get that guy 1162 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,400 Speaker 2: because he's more suited for Kyle one and two. The 1163 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,720 Speaker 2: Rams to be this competitive kind of needed some of 1164 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,880 Speaker 2: those picks. It's insert some of the players. So it definitely, 1165 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,560 Speaker 2: you know, from missing out on McCaffrey, it's still worked 1166 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,880 Speaker 2: out for the Rams. I helped them compete this year 1167 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,440 Speaker 2: and then next year add some more pieces they hell, 1168 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,560 Speaker 2: they could be even better. It feels like, and listen, 1169 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,280 Speaker 2: you probably have the stats off your head. I feel 1170 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 2: like the Chargers play the Chiefs really really well. And 1171 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,800 Speaker 2: the Chargers going back to Philip Rivers obviously with Justin Herbert, 1172 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,600 Speaker 2: remember the game that was his first start against the 1173 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,280 Speaker 2: Chiefs when Tyrod Taylor got poked with the needle when 1174 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,040 Speaker 2: he had to start. You know, they told him ten 1175 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,800 Speaker 2: minutes before the game or whatever. To last year on 1176 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,280 Speaker 2: Thursday Night Football at the opening Amazon game. They just 1177 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,480 Speaker 2: play well. And Brion Staley is holding on for dear 1178 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 2: life here. But when he plays the Chiefs, so getting 1179 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,120 Speaker 2: five and a half, obviously, the Chiefs offense is not 1180 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,680 Speaker 2: what it has been a lot of times when they've 1181 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,000 Speaker 2: played him. Well, the defense is a lot better. But 1182 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,120 Speaker 2: I don't see how you don't take from just an objective. 1183 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,720 Speaker 2: Take the Chargers here getting you know, well over a 1184 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:27,320 Speaker 2: field goal. 1185 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the Chargers here. It's not a great 1186 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,200 Speaker 1: spot on paper, like Chiefs extended rest, Chargers short week 1187 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,120 Speaker 1: going on the road. But Andy Reid's only ten, you know, 1188 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,880 Speaker 1: in spite of the narrative out there, he's only ten 1189 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,560 Speaker 1: and thirteen against the spread with extended rest and teams 1190 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 1: on a short week. For whatever reason, going up against 1191 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,600 Speaker 1: teams with extended rest forty five and thirty five against 1192 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,720 Speaker 1: the spread over the past twenty years fifty six percent. 1193 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,280 Speaker 1: Maybe the market just to overadjust that narrative a bit. 1194 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, you mentioned how close these teams play. Six. 1195 00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,880 Speaker 1: There's six meetings between Herbert and Mahomes. Herbert is five 1196 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 1: and one against the spread, should be six and oh 1197 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,720 Speaker 1: the only game he didn't cover is they were catching 1198 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,400 Speaker 1: three and a half. They lost the coin toss and 1199 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,480 Speaker 1: the Chiefs scored a touchdown one by six and overtime. 1200 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Chargers won two times in Kansas City. There are other 1201 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,480 Speaker 1: losses by three, three, three, and six in overtime. They 1202 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 1: haven't been trailing by more than three at the end 1203 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,800 Speaker 1: of regulation in any of the six meetings against the Chiefs. 1204 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,680 Speaker 1: And these are just like from the most basic handicap. 1205 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 1: The Chiefs fail to win by margin against they just 1206 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,000 Speaker 1: struggle to do it as favorites of over a field goal. 1207 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,480 Speaker 1: And the Chargers always play close games. I mean the 1208 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,000 Speaker 1: Chargers twenty of their past twenty five games have been 1209 01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,960 Speaker 1: decided by one possession. It's just the Chargers going back 1210 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,560 Speaker 1: to Rivers even like they said, the Charters had the 1211 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,480 Speaker 1: ball down three with a minute thirty to go. That's 1212 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,560 Speaker 1: just what the Chargers do. That's how it's always going 1213 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:57,240 Speaker 1: to repeats and Rivers is he's panicking trying to get 1214 01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,000 Speaker 1: everything like that. That's just how the Chargers are going 1215 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:00,760 Speaker 1: to be in perpetuity. 1216 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 2: Mahomes, Is that over that over that overtime game you 1217 01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,880 Speaker 2: mentioned too, Remember I think the Chargers were kicking their 1218 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,560 Speaker 2: ass and Tyreek Hill made some incredible plays, right. 1219 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,920 Speaker 1: The Chargers dropped about three picks in that game, and 1220 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:19,440 Speaker 1: then and then Hill made a crazy playoff of fumble 1221 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,960 Speaker 1: that he scored on, and then Herbert threw a pill. 1222 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:22,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, the game winner. 1223 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,640 Speaker 1: I think in overtime and over time, Herbert threw a 1224 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,480 Speaker 1: ninety nine yard pick six. Chargers should have won that game. Yeah, 1225 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 1: but yeah, the Kansas City offenses isn't the same right now. 1226 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,560 Speaker 1: There's offensive line issues, wide receiver rooms, still trying to 1227 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,920 Speaker 1: work itself out. I mean, Mahomes has nine turnover worthy 1228 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,320 Speaker 1: plays and nine big time throws this year one to 1229 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,120 Speaker 1: one ratio. Last year thirty eight big time throws, eighteen 1230 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,439 Speaker 1: turnover worthy plays. He was over two to one last 1231 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,520 Speaker 1: year's at one to one this year gotten away with 1232 01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:50,920 Speaker 1: a couple of balls that should have been picked. He's 1233 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,640 Speaker 1: just he's trying to make some things happen because there's 1234 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,920 Speaker 1: the wide receiver room in this offense just isn't clicking. 1235 01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, and I always think that the Chargers attended 1236 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:01,680 Speaker 1: think this, and the numbers back me up. Because the 1237 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,000 Speaker 1: Chargers have value on the road because they have no 1238 01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,640 Speaker 1: home field advantage like they get at home. I never 1239 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,600 Speaker 1: like them, you know, at home is usually a road game, 1240 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:10,880 Speaker 1: and then they go out in the road and it's 1241 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,640 Speaker 1: just like who cares. They're used to road games, and 1242 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,080 Speaker 1: but they're still getting priced as they're going on the road. 1243 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,520 Speaker 1: For what it's worth. Herbert is ten and four against 1244 01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,600 Speaker 1: the spread. As a road dog, including seven and one 1245 01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,440 Speaker 1: when he's getting over a field goal. So yeah, I 1246 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,680 Speaker 1: think that this is a game that's going to come 1247 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,520 Speaker 1: down to the wire. And also if you're down like 1248 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,560 Speaker 1: ten late, Herbert will you know, he can go down 1249 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,880 Speaker 1: and get you a backdoor touchdown against the Chiefs. And 1250 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:39,720 Speaker 1: then if the Chiefs are up. The reason the Chiefs 1251 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:44,120 Speaker 1: have struggled, you know, Mahomes is only eighteen and twenty 1252 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,480 Speaker 1: seven is against spread as a favorite of over a 1253 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,200 Speaker 1: field goal over the past three seasons. They know how 1254 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:50,560 Speaker 1: to run out the clock at the end. So like 1255 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,760 Speaker 1: if they're up three, you know, they can squeeze out 1256 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,960 Speaker 1: the final six minutes of the game without scoring. Or 1257 01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,480 Speaker 1: you'll see a lot of teams score. They'll say, now 1258 01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm not even going to give you a chance to 1259 01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:01,040 Speaker 1: get the ball back. 1260 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:01,960 Speaker 2: They'll hit the ground. 1261 01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll go to Kelsey on these little six yard 1262 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,120 Speaker 1: throws and they just move the sticks and then just 1263 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,000 Speaker 1: strangle the game away. And that's why another reason why 1264 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,280 Speaker 1: they just don't end up covering sometimes is you know 1265 01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,080 Speaker 1: a favorite in this range. So yeah, I think it's 1266 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:16,160 Speaker 1: you gotta go up the charges here. 1267 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:21,040 Speaker 2: I like them for a limited time you can say 1268 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:25,520 Speaker 2: forty on NFL Plus Premium annual subscription when you sign 1269 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,200 Speaker 2: up through Plus Play from Verizon. Plus Play is a 1270 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,880 Speaker 2: platform where you can shop, manage, and save on the 1271 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:37,080 Speaker 2: subscriptions you already love. Like NFL Plus. With NFL Plus Premium, 1272 01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,840 Speaker 2: you get access to live games on mobile, NFL Red Zone, 1273 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,000 Speaker 2: NFL Network, and more so, you can watch multiple games 1274 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,320 Speaker 2: all at once on any screen around you for updates, 1275 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,760 Speaker 2: never miss a touchdown. And for fantasy football players, NFL 1276 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,600 Speaker 2: Plus Premium makes all the difference. Access to programming like 1277 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,760 Speaker 2: Fantasy Live through NFL Network, red Zone for tracking player 1278 01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,760 Speaker 2: performance on Sunday, access to live local prime time games, 1279 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,000 Speaker 2: access to Fantasy Plus. Just go to Verizon dot com 1280 01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,120 Speaker 2: slash NFL to get NFL Plus Premium today. It's forty 1281 01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,920 Speaker 2: percent off an annual subscription. That's just fifty nine to 1282 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:15,160 Speaker 2: ninety nine for the full season. Get it before it's gone. OK, 1283 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,240 Speaker 2: let's go Game of the week. I had a few 1284 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,360 Speaker 2: Saturday night kind of come to turn on TV. Tanny 1285 01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,120 Speaker 2: Hills limping off the field, molik Will It's looked like 1286 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,440 Speaker 2: me or you out there? You guys cruise to a victory. 1287 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,440 Speaker 2: I saw Harbaugh. I didn't quite realize this though. It 1288 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,040 Speaker 2: makes sense because I saw Lamar talking how people recognizing 1289 01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:34,360 Speaker 2: him over there. In the middle of the week, they 1290 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,800 Speaker 2: went really early across the pond, so they spent basically 1291 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,800 Speaker 2: all week over there. Get a nice winer four and 1292 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:45,120 Speaker 2: two playing the Lions, who are definitely not sneaking up 1293 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,640 Speaker 2: on anybody. It's not like the Ravens are looking at 1294 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,760 Speaker 2: this team like the normal Lions. I mean there, this 1295 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,560 Speaker 2: is gonna be I mean, I think it's the best 1296 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:57,040 Speaker 2: game on the slate. Obviously, the Ravens at home. You know, 1297 01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,400 Speaker 2: I'm a big Lions backer. This would make me. This 1298 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,640 Speaker 2: is the type week that would make me a little nervous. 1299 01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,640 Speaker 2: And then the Ravens win this game, you get the 1300 01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,960 Speaker 2: Cardinals the following week, then you get the Seahawks at home. 1301 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,400 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you'll look up and the Ravens 1302 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,080 Speaker 2: are gonna be like seven and two. So this is 1303 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,200 Speaker 2: this is a fantastic game. I think, I think I 1304 01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,760 Speaker 2: know where you're gonna go. It's gonna be hard to 1305 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 2: not take the Ravens in this spot. Though I think 1306 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,280 Speaker 2: the Lions have been pretty battle tested. I'm not expecting 1307 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,720 Speaker 2: them to you know, kind of roll over, even if 1308 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,400 Speaker 2: I believe they're a good team, but I'd be a 1309 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,320 Speaker 2: little stunned if they kind of got worked by double 1310 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,520 Speaker 2: digit points. I expect this to be a tight game. 1311 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the Ravens here, I'm a Ravens fan. 1312 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,600 Speaker 1: But I will tell you on this show this year, 1313 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,080 Speaker 1: I've faded the Ravens three times and this is the 1314 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,120 Speaker 1: first time that I'm betting them. So I'm far from 1315 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,800 Speaker 1: a homer when it comes to betting. But this is this, 1316 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,240 Speaker 1: This is the cell high spot on the Lions, right, 1317 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,960 Speaker 1: the team that everyone is now in love with. Even 1318 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,880 Speaker 1: if you know nothing about betting, you could do okay 1319 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,560 Speaker 1: in the NFL just by it listening And as soon 1320 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,200 Speaker 1: as you hear all the hype that okay, like even 1321 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:04,800 Speaker 1: us on the show, is san Frank gonna go on? 1322 01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,040 Speaker 1: Defeed it? What happens? They lose to PJ. Walker three 1323 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,440 Speaker 1: weeks ago, the Dolphins win by fifty fifty points in 1324 01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,240 Speaker 1: a game score seventy. They get crushed the next week, 1325 01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,120 Speaker 1: and by the way, the team that crushed them and 1326 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,200 Speaker 1: put up fifty lost to the Jags the next week. 1327 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,880 Speaker 1: Like this, you're just never as good as you appear, 1328 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,440 Speaker 1: and I think this is the peak of the market 1329 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,360 Speaker 1: on the Lions, who have won four straight and have 1330 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,280 Speaker 1: been impressive. But let's slow the brakes a little bit. 1331 01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:36,120 Speaker 1: They beat Bryce Young, Desmond Ritter, Jordan Love, and Baker 1332 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,440 Speaker 1: Mayfield last year, who vomited all over himself. If you 1333 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:43,080 Speaker 1: watch that game, he missed three wide open touchdowns, including 1334 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,280 Speaker 1: a ninety yard touchdown to Mike Evans. There was no 1335 01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,160 Speaker 1: one within forty yards of them the Lions. And look 1336 01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,560 Speaker 1: the Lions played when they played the Panthers, who were awful. 1337 01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,560 Speaker 1: The Panthers were without all four starters in the secondary. 1338 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,440 Speaker 1: We know Desmond Ritter is terrible, Jordan Love when the Packers, 1339 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,640 Speaker 1: their defense was out too. So like, yes, the lines 1340 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,720 Speaker 1: are good, they're a real sleeper in the NFC, but 1341 01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:07,640 Speaker 1: let's say the role. The last time they played an 1342 01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,840 Speaker 1: offense with a pulse was the Seahawks, who put up 1343 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,760 Speaker 1: forty in a win in Detroit. Now, there was a 1344 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,520 Speaker 1: pick six there, but they moved the ball up and 1345 01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,560 Speaker 1: down the field the entire game. And the reason for 1346 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,840 Speaker 1: this Detroit. Why I'm looking to sell Detroit now is 1347 01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,920 Speaker 1: I like their offense. Although Jared Goff outdoors not great. 1348 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:28,520 Speaker 1: His whole career, his small hands, doesn't have the strongest arm. 1349 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,800 Speaker 1: He struggled outdoors in his career. Is gonna be windy 1350 01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,160 Speaker 1: conditions in Baltimore, which also is gonna affect special teams. 1351 01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,439 Speaker 1: Talked about kickers already circled all back. Huge special teams 1352 01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,440 Speaker 1: advantage for Baltimore in this game. Huge kicking advantage for 1353 01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:44,880 Speaker 1: Justin Tucker against Riley Patterson. But I'm looking to sell 1354 01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,360 Speaker 1: this Detroit defense. The run defense is improved, and I 1355 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,720 Speaker 1: believe in it. Ale McNeil's a great run stuffer, He's 1356 01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,600 Speaker 1: taken up blocks. They've got a good rotation, Bugs and 1357 01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,280 Speaker 1: Jones in the middle there too. You obviously have Hutchinson 1358 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,600 Speaker 1: getting pressure off the edge, and the linebackers even they 1359 01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,400 Speaker 1: moved azelone to Will. He's playing well against the there, 1360 01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,080 Speaker 1: Jack Campbell, the rookie, he's playing well against the run. 1361 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,280 Speaker 1: But they're both struggling in coverage. And their secondary is terrible. 1362 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's their safeties are terrible. Their outside 1363 01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,840 Speaker 1: corners are you know, Jacobs and Sutton. This is a 1364 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,080 Speaker 1: bad secondary, and they've had injuries. To be fair, We'll 1365 01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,000 Speaker 1: see if Branch comes back. Because Will Harris is one 1366 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,920 Speaker 1: of the worst slots in the NFL. They need him 1367 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,040 Speaker 1: to at least come back. But this secondary is bad. 1368 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,200 Speaker 1: They've just played you know, nobody over the past four weeks, 1369 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,400 Speaker 1: and Baker Mayfield was missing. I mean he's set it. 1370 01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,360 Speaker 1: After the game, he said, I suck. There were wide 1371 01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,920 Speaker 1: open guys all over the field. So there's two things 1372 01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,040 Speaker 1: that I think the Ravens will do here, I think, 1373 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,639 Speaker 1: and their offense has been so close the past couple weeks. 1374 01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,120 Speaker 1: Now they're finally healthy. Two weeks ago was just all 1375 01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:46,120 Speaker 1: those drops against Pittsburgh, the Tomlin voodoo magic in the 1376 01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,400 Speaker 1: Tomlin spot, and then last week was just red zone futility. 1377 01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:50,960 Speaker 1: They were moving the ball up and down the field. 1378 01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,920 Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be opportunities. And Lamar in the wind, 1379 01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:58,040 Speaker 1: he's much more adept in these weather conditions by moving 1380 01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,120 Speaker 1: the ball. And then the Lions with their linebackers are 1381 01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,280 Speaker 1: have been good against the run, filling gaps, but they're slower. 1382 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,040 Speaker 1: They're gonna have trouble keeping up with Lamar Jackson. They're 1383 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,160 Speaker 1: gonna have trouble defending Mark Andrews. And then the way 1384 01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,840 Speaker 1: that Detroit plays defense, they don't blitz at all. They're 1385 01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,360 Speaker 1: one of the lowest blitz rate teams in the NFL. 1386 01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,360 Speaker 1: That's not great against Lamar. Lamar when not blitz this year, 1387 01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,600 Speaker 1: top two or three quarterback, I think he's third in 1388 01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,640 Speaker 1: quarterback rating, second adjusted completion rate, you know, third in 1389 01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,479 Speaker 1: yards per attempt when he's blitzed, he's like twenty six, 1390 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,240 Speaker 1: twenty eight, twenty ninth. He has not figured out the 1391 01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,439 Speaker 1: blitzing this new scheme. The Lions aren't blitzing. Maybe they 1392 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,040 Speaker 1: will hear, but it's not what they've done all year. 1393 01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,920 Speaker 1: Some of the coverages they play on the back end 1394 01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,560 Speaker 1: are some of the coverages that Lamar thrives with. You 1395 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,240 Speaker 1: know golf who struggles with certain coverages. That's all the 1396 01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,639 Speaker 1: Ravens do. So it's a good matchup schematically and coverage wise. 1397 01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,680 Speaker 1: And I think that this Lions defense is just right 1398 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,000 Speaker 1: for the picking. And then there's just all those you know, 1399 01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:58,880 Speaker 1: the wind, the weather, the special teams, and I think 1400 01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:03,520 Speaker 1: the Ravens offensekind of explodes here. They're they're kind of overdue. 1401 01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,920 Speaker 1: The Detroit defense is kind of overdue to get picked 1402 01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,360 Speaker 1: off here, and that secondary I think is going to 1403 01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,160 Speaker 1: be their downfall. I think the Ravens defense is also 1404 01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:12,840 Speaker 1: a little bit over it. They played nothing with backup 1405 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,760 Speaker 1: quarterbacks all year. But I still trust that unit overall 1406 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:18,679 Speaker 1: a bit more than. 1407 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,879 Speaker 2: Is Marlon hump Is Marlon hump Free any good? 1408 01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I think he's now starting to finally get 1409 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,320 Speaker 1: to fully healthy. But I think he's when when he's 1410 01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,000 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. He's one of the better corners in 1411 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,360 Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean he also can play like. They 1412 01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,520 Speaker 1: can put him in the slot, they can put him outside. 1413 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,000 Speaker 1: He's very versaly. I mean he can he can play 1414 01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,320 Speaker 1: in the run, he can guard different types of receivers. 1415 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,439 Speaker 1: He's just got to be healthy now he's he's reached. 1416 01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,639 Speaker 1: He's got like a year or two left before you'll 1417 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,080 Speaker 1: see him fall off a cliff, as a lot of 1418 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,760 Speaker 1: these corners do. But yeah, this is a Raves scene. 1419 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,799 Speaker 1: I dealt with so many injuries early on in the season. 1420 01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,599 Speaker 1: They're finally fully healthy. I think they're going to exploit 1421 01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,960 Speaker 1: this Detroit secondary. Uh And I think it's a great 1422 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,679 Speaker 1: spot to back the Ravens and sell high on the lines. 1423 01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,600 Speaker 1: We're good, They're gonna be a real contender. But a 1424 01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,640 Speaker 1: lot of this I think this sn should be over 1425 01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,360 Speaker 1: a field goal. I mean, over the last four weeks 1426 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,640 Speaker 1: I explained about who they played, it's been nobody's a 1427 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,879 Speaker 1: bunch of clown car quarterbacks and may feel just missing 1428 01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,640 Speaker 1: wide receivers all over the field. So I think the 1429 01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,759 Speaker 1: Ravens get it done. Happy to lay a field goal here. 1430 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,080 Speaker 2: One thing looking at their schedule is they've already played 1431 01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,639 Speaker 2: all three division teams on the road. So the three 1432 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,960 Speaker 2: remaining divisional games are all at home, and they get 1433 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,320 Speaker 2: the NFC West, and to me, they're going to be 1434 01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,240 Speaker 2: favored in three of the four games and the you know, 1435 01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,240 Speaker 2: obviously they got to go to San Francisco, but they 1436 01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,479 Speaker 2: get the Rams at home, and they get Seattle at home. 1437 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,120 Speaker 2: And also the other tough game on the schedule is 1438 01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,080 Speaker 2: the Dolphins, and they get them at home as well. 1439 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,880 Speaker 2: So in terms of home and away, it breaks really 1440 01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,559 Speaker 2: well for them down the stretch. You know, you win 1441 01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,559 Speaker 2: this game, like I said, the next two games are 1442 01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,360 Speaker 2: at Arizona, that's a win, and then playing Seattle at home. 1443 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,280 Speaker 2: They'll be favoring that. I mean, they have a very 1444 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,320 Speaker 2: very good chance to be seven and two going into 1445 01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,519 Speaker 2: that tough little stretch of you know, playing the Browns 1446 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,880 Speaker 2: and the Bengals, but they've already beat the Browns, so 1447 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,479 Speaker 2: you know that defense. Lamar is really the only guy. 1448 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I saw some numbers of every quarterback they've played, 1449 01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,160 Speaker 2: they've punked them. Lamar in that first half just destroyed them. 1450 01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,439 Speaker 2: I mean he was That was an MVP half. 1451 01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they put up twenty eight on a Browns 1452 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,439 Speaker 1: team that basically no one can get a first down. 1453 01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:30,840 Speaker 2: On and what was a twenty one to three at 1454 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:31,639 Speaker 2: half and it was over. 1455 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, they could have put up more if they weren't 1456 01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,920 Speaker 1: playing you know, Dorian Thompson Robinson. But yeah, I mean 1457 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,360 Speaker 1: to put a bow on it. Lamar Jackson kind of 1458 01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,759 Speaker 1: like the Mahomes in a way. He's against the spread 1459 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,120 Speaker 1: splits like the Raves are smarter running the clock out. 1460 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,200 Speaker 1: You don't really like to play them as in the 1461 01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,960 Speaker 1: favor role. Lamar's eighteen and four against the spread as 1462 01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,120 Speaker 1: an underdog or favorite of three or less covered by 1463 01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,840 Speaker 1: eight points per game, twelve and one against teams with 1464 01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,320 Speaker 1: a winning record, ten and oher when the spread is 1465 01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,679 Speaker 1: between a field goal and a field goal. In comparison, 1466 01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,160 Speaker 1: he's just eighteen and twenty seven as a favorite of 1467 01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,280 Speaker 1: more than a field goal the same exact number as 1468 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,920 Speaker 1: Mahomes over the past three years. And Mahomes I think 1469 01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,080 Speaker 1: is like seventeen and four against the spread as an 1470 01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,000 Speaker 1: underdog or favorite of three or less. Like basically, when 1471 01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:14,920 Speaker 1: you just need him to win the game or they're 1472 01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:19,720 Speaker 1: an underdog, they're almost an auto bet. And yeah, I 1473 01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,120 Speaker 1: think that this is a good good buys fun on 1474 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,200 Speaker 1: the Ravens. People forget about that brownsia and what they did. 1475 01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,800 Speaker 2: That Browns d and oh I don't I watched it. 1476 01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying the past two weeks, like and 1477 01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,639 Speaker 1: they up. They should have put up twenty eight against Pittsburgh. 1478 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,439 Speaker 1: They had like three drop touchdowns, and then last week 1479 01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:37,439 Speaker 1: they should have put up about forty against Tennessee. I 1480 01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,000 Speaker 1: mean they kicked five red zone field goals. I think 1481 01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,680 Speaker 1: a lot of that they were just conservative. They were 1482 01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,160 Speaker 1: just running it and the rezon knowing that, like especially 1483 01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,920 Speaker 1: once Tannehill got hurt. We have this game in the bag. 1484 01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,360 Speaker 1: I think you'll see them be more aggressive here. Andrews 1485 01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:55,000 Speaker 1: and Lamar's legs are a matchup nightmare for this Detroit defense. 1486 01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:56,599 Speaker 1: I think that's going to be the difference, and they're 1487 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,040 Speaker 1: gonna hit a couple deep shots that have been coming 1488 01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,800 Speaker 1: against this Detroit TA that's been having a lot of 1489 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,880 Speaker 1: busted coverages and getting away with it against bad quarterbacks. 1490 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,040 Speaker 2: One big advantage the Chiefs have had the last couple 1491 01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:09,800 Speaker 2: of years in the AFC playoffs is they never have 1492 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,439 Speaker 2: to go on the road, and they've played in some 1493 01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,599 Speaker 2: weird games, but having that game at home has been 1494 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,160 Speaker 2: a huge advantage. If someone and obviously the Ravens would 1495 01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:21,879 Speaker 2: be a team can somehow have the home field advantage, 1496 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,240 Speaker 2: that could be a huge swing because you think about 1497 01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,240 Speaker 2: some of the weird games Kansas City has played in. 1498 01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,360 Speaker 2: Was it the Browns a couple of years ago, last 1499 01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,840 Speaker 2: year the Jags game. Obviously Mahomes has been injured that 1500 01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,920 Speaker 2: they lost to the Bengals, right, but that was Macomes 1501 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,639 Speaker 2: might have a concussion or whatever. But for the most part, 1502 01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,040 Speaker 2: just never having to leave has been an underrated advantage 1503 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,960 Speaker 2: of the Chiefs. Kind of little many dynasty they've been on. 1504 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,760 Speaker 2: And it'll be interesting if obviously the Chiefs keep winning, 1505 01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,240 Speaker 2: it's going to be they're just gonna have a fantastic record, 1506 01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,760 Speaker 2: in which they will, but like, can the Ravens or 1507 01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,559 Speaker 2: someone else go fourteen to three and push them forward 1508 01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:57,479 Speaker 2: that number one seed. 1509 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,560 Speaker 1: Probably not if it's a couple of rules. Rules in 1510 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,120 Speaker 1: the NFL. One of them we talked about the Chargers 1511 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:03,760 Speaker 1: have to being a close game down by three late. 1512 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,960 Speaker 1: The other is the Ravens. Look, guys, he's and tickets. 1513 01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,600 Speaker 1: For thirteen years, the Ravens aren't allowed to have home 1514 01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,920 Speaker 1: playoff games. One of the benefits of these tickets you 1515 01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:11,800 Speaker 1: get home plofgames. The Ravens never happened. They won two 1516 01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,920 Speaker 1: Super Bowls as wildcard teams that went on the road 1517 01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,240 Speaker 1: the entire time. I mean they went on the road 1518 01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,800 Speaker 1: and beat Manning Brady when they beat your forty nine 1519 01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,760 Speaker 1: ers with Placo going they beat Luck Brady Manning on 1520 01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,599 Speaker 1: the road, and then and then beat the four nine 1521 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,920 Speaker 1: of Super Bowl two thousand and one historic team, the 1522 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,280 Speaker 1: two thousand team with the historic defense. Wildcard team went 1523 01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,000 Speaker 1: on the road. They were in they were playing Gannet 1524 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,679 Speaker 1: who won that division Tennessee. Yeah, that was the division 1525 01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:37,519 Speaker 1: back then. They went on the road and beat Tennessee. 1526 01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,360 Speaker 1: That was an awesome game at ray Lewis stripped Eddie 1527 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,080 Speaker 1: George and ran it back. So the only time as 1528 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,680 Speaker 1: to take order that they had a bye and a 1529 01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,439 Speaker 1: home game was the most depressing game of Urban Nue 1530 01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:51,479 Speaker 1: in my entire life. Two thousand and seven. McNair was 1531 01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:55,400 Speaker 1: the Cordeam mc McNair was the quarterback. They went fourteen 1532 01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,200 Speaker 1: to two fifteen and one summer our thirteen to three 1533 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,519 Speaker 1: by home game, first time ever playing the Colts who 1534 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,800 Speaker 1: Indianapolis left Baltimore, so all the old Heads never had 1535 01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,360 Speaker 1: a stadium be louder and more electric before a game 1536 01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,639 Speaker 1: had Ravens out of buy hosting Peyton Manning. I'd pick 1537 01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,120 Speaker 1: ed Reid at three, two or three picks of Peyton Manning. 1538 01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,320 Speaker 1: No touchdowns scored in the game, lose fifteen to six, 1539 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,800 Speaker 1: and that was it. And that's like the only home 1540 01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,599 Speaker 1: game that the Ravens ever got that meaningful one. 1541 01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,120 Speaker 2: No way Terry the Colts kicker that year. 1542 01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,960 Speaker 1: Yep, vine Terry versus stover ended fifteen to six on 1543 01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:33,240 Speaker 1: seven field goals in the game, no touchdowns and that 1544 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,040 Speaker 1: was it for the Ravens. So, yeah, the Ravens that 1545 01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,200 Speaker 1: they wouldn't whenever they win. They won a Super Bowl 1546 01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:39,840 Speaker 1: like every ten to twelve years, and they got to 1547 01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:41,240 Speaker 1: go on the road as a wild card team. 1548 01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,000 Speaker 2: But hopefully was that the year paid Manning won the 1549 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,880 Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Did they play the Patriots the next week 1550 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:45,639 Speaker 2: and come back? 1551 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,360 Speaker 1: Yep? Yep, what a year. 1552 01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,400 Speaker 2: I remember watching that game fifteen they kicked five field goals. 1553 01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Yeah, it was the most the most depressing. 1554 01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,720 Speaker 1: I always get the years confused, if it was like, no, 1555 01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:04,000 Speaker 1: that was two thousand. 1556 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,400 Speaker 2: Might have been that might have been the previous year 1557 01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:05,880 Speaker 2: that I did. 1558 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,840 Speaker 1: That was the sixth season, two thousand and six season, 1559 01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,320 Speaker 1: going into two thousand, like, so the game was in 1560 01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:15,760 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. 1561 01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was the O six season. Yeah, and 1562 01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,600 Speaker 2: then the next year the Patriots get Randy Moss and 1563 01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:25,759 Speaker 2: everything the seven team correct, Yeah, so I think the 1564 01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,200 Speaker 2: Colt The Colts won it their O six season and 1565 01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,040 Speaker 2: in like February of seven. 1566 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,080 Speaker 1: Yep, they beat the Raves fifteen sixth I went on 1567 01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,720 Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl. So yeah, it wasn't It 1568 01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,479 Speaker 1: wasn't a good run for my season ticket stapping home 1569 01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:37,760 Speaker 1: playoff games. But what are you gonna do? 1570 01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,120 Speaker 2: Well, hell, you might get Super Bowl this year. The 1571 01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,360 Speaker 2: Ravens keep playing like they're playing, So douck, you have 1572 01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,400 Speaker 2: a good weekend, and uh let's roll baby. 1573 01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:47,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely love cheers 1574 01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:52,000 Speaker 2: The volume