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Speaker 1: affair baby wife. So this is like ages, This is tough.

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Speaker 1: This comes from Free River thirty three eighty eight, and

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Speaker 1: they say, I, female twenty six, had an affair with

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Speaker 1: a married man, male forty two a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: I had no clue he was married when we first

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Speaker 1: social media, and while he did have photos of his

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Speaker 1: of his wife at all. I found out that he

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Speaker 1: was married about a month after we first got together,

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Speaker 1: but he told me it was just marriage on paper,

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Speaker 1: married for practical purposes until the kids were older. They

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Speaker 1: owned a business which she really ran, and he was

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Speaker 1: just financially involved in. Okay, great cover, bro oh exposed

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Speaker 1: cover Huh. I knew at the time that I probably

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Speaker 1: shouldn't believe him, but I convinced myself this is true.

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Speaker 1: I was in my early twenties and so gosh darn

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Speaker 1: attracted him, I guess, almost infatuated with them. He made

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Speaker 1: me feel so good to him. These are thirsty stories.

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Speaker 2: Is this your theme? My God?

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Speaker 1: I know now that I should have ended immediately, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize I was what I was getting myself into.

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Speaker 1: I was addicted to all the attention he gave me,

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Speaker 1: the great sex, the places he'd take me. I felt

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Speaker 1: so special. I was so naive. I got pregnant about

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Speaker 1: a year into seeing him. They were doing it raw.

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Speaker 1: I'd always been so careful with preventing pregnancy. Okay, maybe not,

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Speaker 1: but during my relations with him, I took stupid risks. Okay, no,

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Speaker 1: they were. I was so high in the lust with

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Speaker 1: this guy. It's embarrassing. The things he'd asked me to do.

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Speaker 1: I'd say yes almost anything, even when I knew it

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Speaker 1: was a bad idea. I was in love with him,

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Speaker 1: or though I thought I hadn't intentionally wanted to get pregnant.

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Speaker 1: I would of course dream about being his wife and

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Speaker 1: while he had this arrangement with his actual wife. I

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Speaker 1: didn't get pregnant on purpose with any intention of him

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Speaker 1: leaving her for me, Even if I wish that we

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Speaker 1: could be a real normal couple. I was surprised by

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Speaker 1: how excited I was to be pregnant with his baby,

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Speaker 1: to have his seed growing inside me. She didn't say

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Speaker 1: that I wanted that baby. Once I found out I

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Speaker 1: was pregnant. The thought of carrying this baby of the

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Speaker 1: man I loved was so special to me, But I

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Speaker 1: knew he probably wouldn't feel the same. Love is a drug,

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Speaker 1: and she is addicted to the dick.

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Speaker 2: That's true, right, she's addicted.

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Speaker 1: She's addicted. Jesse says, as long as he had an

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Speaker 1: arrangement with his actual wife, a little what the fuck.

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Speaker 2: Called very marriage.

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Speaker 1: No, never let them hit raw dude, row, You're opening

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Speaker 1: up yourself to a world of hurt, dude pregnancy STDs.

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Speaker 1: Hamster girl says addicted. Fairy Love says, rip my innocent ears.

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Speaker 1: Who's innocent over here?

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Speaker 3: Bro?

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to okay Oi, you're not and it

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Speaker 1: said so baby Godzella, thanks for the five bucks. Riley's

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Speaker 1: trying to tell us something with these stories.

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Speaker 2: It's not me, it's just the way they read these things.

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Speaker 1: I Riley is a horny, horny boy. That's right, Mama,

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Speaker 1: shout out to me. Thanks for the ten bucks. High

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Speaker 1: from phoenix came into the stream like two hours ago.

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Speaker 1: Thanks friends for keeping me company tonight as things feel

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Speaker 1: like it's falling apart. Oh I hope it's just our

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Speaker 1: Bugs and kisses XO XO Sarah.

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Speaker 2: I'm a good church boy.

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Speaker 1: Let me be.

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Speaker 4: You can change him, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Are you ready? Are you ready?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Man, that's why Riley is so horny, because he's.

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Speaker 3: A good church that's right. And he's come to confess

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Speaker 3: to all you mommies.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the second Coming is real. Just thin Riley?

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Speaker 1: Right now? All right? I told them.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it is currently one eighteen am.

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Speaker 3: You brought us the file.

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Speaker 2: Where you brought us leaving alone. I have work to do, Riley.

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Speaker 2: This is your job.

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Speaker 4: God.

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Speaker 1: Yes, mom, shout out to eighteen Arizona. No plans to sleep,

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Speaker 1: I yes, oh really, yeah, Okay, I'm down, I'm down,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's get back into this story. Horny monsters.

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Speaker 1: I told him I was pregnant, and he told me

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Speaker 1: that he didn't feel the same way I did. He

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Speaker 1: He explained that he didn't want any more kids and

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Speaker 1: I took my bag and checked myself into a hotel

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Speaker 1: to hide because I couldn't go with him. I texted

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Speaker 1: him to say I promised to never contact him again

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Speaker 1: after child support. If he'd promised to leave me alone, Well,

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Speaker 1: what do we think? Wow? What do we think. Yikes, wait,

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Speaker 1: really quick, Sarah Badov said, Riley, I did it a

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Speaker 1: perfect church boy in high school. His hands were so raw.

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Speaker 2: I didn't need to know that.

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Speaker 1: That is so funny, but really quick, really quick. So mean,

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Speaker 1: is Ope's lover the a whole? Is Ope's lover the a?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure? Out a question of a doubt

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Speaker 1: and it feels like there's something in her gut. That's like,

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Speaker 1: what does raw hands mean? I think like it means

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Speaker 1: Christians can only do hand jumps. That's not a Riley thing,

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Speaker 1: to be clear. That's like, keep going. It's like a

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Speaker 1: thing God loves handschumps. Oh goodness, Oh lord man, you

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Speaker 4: It's the late nighte stream. This is the late night stream.

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Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: Farmer's hands y'all callouses?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, strong hands.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying I got callouses right there? Boom show him Riley.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he's been lipsing. Got some splinters too, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: from working hard at the sawmill.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been shoving that wood and those machines. All.

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Speaker 3: If we raised ten thousand dollars will fly Riley back

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Speaker 3: to the sawmill and he'll just.

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Speaker 1: Do all you want stream shirtless. We get a whole

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Speaker 1: sexy shirtless montage of Riley working at the saw mill exactly.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, wait, John, you said I never have to

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Speaker 2: go back to the sawmill only for a live stream,

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Speaker 2: and we fly you back first class only.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to the story and stop

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Speaker 1: simping over Riley boy hands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all are going way too crazy right now.

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Speaker 1: Riley is a man of God. He's been going to

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Speaker 1: he's been going to church lately.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we found a church that he liked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so fun. You guys are making me want

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Speaker 1: That's to repent for his He's not even city, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Alone. Dollars Riley thrill first ten dollars ago.

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Speaker 1: At first he tried to sweet talk me into doing

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Speaker 1: what he wanted. When I didn't cave, he said some

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Speaker 1: She wants her children to know their siblings, and for

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Speaker 1: I haven't responded back to her yet. I am unsure

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Speaker 1: we think? How should Ope respond to her affair partner's wife.

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Speaker 3: I mean, on one hand, you're kind of almost like

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get reinvolved with all this again.

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Speaker 1: And it also feels like maybe she's just doing this

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Speaker 1: Like it feels like maybe she already knows, but she

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Speaker 1: already knows but wants confirmation. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: suing for divorce and needs like you know, it needs

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if she's even in it for

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Speaker 3: The wife, yeah, the wife, Yeah, and like he deserves

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you do?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 1: Jesse says, I think if she can manage to meet

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Speaker 1: don't bring the child in until it seems like a

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Speaker 1: Australia multitasking listening, Okop, you guys say multitasking? What does

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Speaker 2: What are you guys doing right?

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Speaker 1: What do you guys do it?

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Speaker 2: Stop?

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Speaker 1: Angel Fierro says, she deaf needs to file for child support.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why she didn't file, because you can

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Speaker 1: file for child's player and him not know about it.

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Speaker 1: But I guess she did say like she wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't he wouldn't he know if she files for it

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Speaker 4: against him?

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Speaker 1: Well, no, no, sorry, the wife wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the wife wouldn't have to know, right right right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but since she's getting divorced, Jesse says, Sam dirty

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Speaker 1: mind y'all Videograph says, I have two hands, Sam, I'm reading.

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Speaker 1: I'm going back to the story. I think OP should

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Speaker 1: maybe is a good idea to meet with the wife, Yeah, because.

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Speaker 2: Like or even just like on a phone call or

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Speaker 2: a phone call.

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Speaker 1: What? That's crazy?

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Speaker 2: You gotta put it. You should send us your story, Jesse.

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Speaker 1: Very sure, I'm not blameless, but she chooses not to

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Speaker 1: hate me. Essentially, she said she couldn't have said this

439
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Speaker 1: six months ago or a year ago when she first

440
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,480
Speaker 1: found out about me, but she has moved past that.

441
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 1: She still has anger towards him, in addition to many

442
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Speaker 1: other emotions surrounding him. She started pouring out her heart

443
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Speaker 1: to me about their twenty plus year marriage and life together.

444
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Speaker 1: And it was very awkward because what do I even say?

445
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Speaker 1: Her kids know about me and my son? She says,

446
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Speaker 1: they're very mad at my father. Somehow, I don't think

447
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 1: they're mad about the fact that he's not involved my

448
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 1: son's life, And why would they be mad about that.

449
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 1: I would hate me if I were them, which I

450
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Speaker 1: think is understandable for.

451
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Speaker 2: The kids, especially like younger kids. I know their age.

452
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, God, I told her. With my son being

453
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Speaker 1: so little right now, I don't feel comfortable with him

454
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Speaker 1: meeting her kids or being involved with their family. I

455
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: feel unsure about it and it's not something I feel

456
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Speaker 1: needs to happen right now. I mean he's only two then,

457
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 1: she told me her ex was in a bad accident

458
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Speaker 1: two months ago. He's fine now, still not allowed to

459
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 1: return to all his normal activities yet, but will be fine.

460
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Speaker 1: He's probably the most physically active person I've met. I'm

461
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 1: sure damn barely ever seems to sit down. So he

462
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Speaker 1: must be terribly annoying to be around if he's not

463
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Speaker 1: allowed to go, go go all the time. She told

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Speaker 1: me he wants to meet my son. Apparently she moved

465
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Speaker 1: back in with him temporarily when he first came home

466
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Speaker 1: from the hospital. Thing that sucks. Man gets an accident,

467
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Speaker 1: Jesse says, sounds like karma. Facts. He said the accident

468
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Speaker 1: really shook him up, and he's been expressing a lot

469
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Speaker 1: of regret about my son not being involved, not providing

470
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Speaker 1: for him. So now it's like everything she said just

471
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Speaker 1: a lie. And somehow got her to reach out to

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Speaker 1: me on his behalf and she actually did it. It

473
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Speaker 1: felt almost like a relief talking your initially, but then

474
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Speaker 1: it's like, was any of that true or were you

475
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 1: just trying to be his messenger? I don't even know

476
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 1: if that part is true. Why wouldn't he just come

477
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Speaker 1: contact me himself. I'm just feeling uneasy about this whole thing.

478
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Speaker 1: And there are some more relevant comments, but before we

479
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 1: get into that, do we believe the conspiracy theory? Put

480
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 1: our little conspiracy thoughts on boom. Basically, she's like, maybe

481
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: just because he got into this accident, he's reaching out,

482
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Speaker 1: Like he's having the wife reach out because she got

483
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Speaker 1: because he got into that accident, and so he's not

484
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Speaker 1: even like she's not even really wanting to do it.

485
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Speaker 1: He's I'm so tired, bro. It is one forty two

486
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,719
Speaker 1: am right now, Like he wants to reach out to her,

487
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 1: the wife doesn't, and he's just making the I freach

488
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: out like Ope thinks the wife doesn't even want to

489
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: do this, right. I don't know if I.

490
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Speaker 3: Read it like he like he's able to guilt tripp

491
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Speaker 3: her because of the accident and everything. I feel like

492
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Speaker 3: with the amount that she poured out and told Ope

493
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Speaker 3: and like and all the energy around that.

494
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Speaker 1: I feel like, no, yeah, I feel like she genuinely

495
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: wants to talk to Ope. There are some relevant comments

496
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Speaker 1: that don't going to yes, So let's get back to reality.

497
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: Get back to reality. Relevant comments. I don't believe I

498
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Speaker 1: have to involve his teenage children in my son's life.

499
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: Maybe when my son is old enough to decide what

500
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Speaker 1: he wants. He is not named on the persarticament, and

501
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 1: I do not receive child support from him. I have

502
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: asked nothing of him except to let me move away

503
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Speaker 1: and not try to force me to have an abortion.

504
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: I basically had a promise to not contact him, not

505
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Speaker 1: make him a father, not request child support. If he

506
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Speaker 1: truly wants involved with my son, he can reach out

507
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: to me directly, and he can take the legal route

508
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Speaker 1: to establish himself as our son's father. So he's like,

509
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Speaker 1: if you want to establish a relationship with me, do

510
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: it directly. Do it with your wife. Yeah too. He

511
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 1: did not legally serve his rights. He never established rights

512
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Speaker 1: in the first place. He has no rights until he

513
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Speaker 1: goes to court and established himself as the father. He

514
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Speaker 1: is welcome to do that. Honestly, I wish my son

515
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: did have a father who was involved in his life

516
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Speaker 1: and loved him. Yes, this guy has faults, but he

517
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Speaker 1: has plenty of positive qualities. He is really involved with

518
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Speaker 1: his older children. I met him many times because they'd

519
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: be at work with him, or he'd have to drop

520
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: by the office in his way to take them somewhere.

521
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: He was always doing things with them. They seem like

522
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Speaker 1: good kids who really love their dad. I wish my

523
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: son could have had that experience too. I didn't think

524
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Speaker 1: it was an option based on how he behaved when

525
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Speaker 1: I was pregnant. He wasn't interested and wanted my baby

526
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Speaker 1: to go away. That's what I did, and I accepted it.

527
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: So she's like, initially I just accepted he to want

528
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Speaker 1: to be there. Now she's like, oh, maybe he does.

529
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Speaker 1: I'll let him in if he actually goes through it.

530
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Speaker 1: SOA says Sam. Sounds dad. Now it's fucking two am.

531
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Speaker 2: What do you expect?

532
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: What do you expect? I'm trying my darndest. One more

533
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: comment before we go to some collins. Let's do it

534
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: coming through. He is not legally my son's father at

535
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Speaker 1: this time. That means currently is no legal parental right

536
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: or responsibilities regarding my son. I cannot stop him from

537
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: taking the legal steps to establish paternity if he wishes

538
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: to do so. He will always be my son's biological father.

539
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: I can't change that fact. Regardless of whether or not

540
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: he ever legally established paternity, my son will likely be

541
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: curious about his biological father and who knows maybe they

542
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: will establish a relationship one day, regardless of a legal paternity.

543
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: There is no way to say if I will meet

544
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Speaker 1: a man who may want to adopt my son one day,

545
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: thus becoming his legal father. It's something that I think

546
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: would be nice, but nothing that I'm intent on doing

547
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Speaker 1: by choice. I've only been on two dates since my

548
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: son was born, and that was only within the year

549
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Flex Op I realized that it will

550
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Speaker 1: not be as simple as signing a piece of paper,

551
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Speaker 1: and that is the end of that story. So Ope

552
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: did decide to talk to the wife of her ex lover,

553
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: but she thought like maybe like the wife was maybe

554
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: being like coerced by the husband. Yeah, to like talk

555
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: to Ope to try to get like some relationship with

556
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Speaker 1: Op's son, which is also the husband's I don't know

557
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Speaker 1: if that's.

558
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Speaker 2: True, but yeah, I wouldn't say I would think no.

559
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily true. I think Op is right.

560
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: If he does want to establish a relationship, then he

561
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: should go directly.

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Speaker 4: One hundred a trillion percent trillion percent