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Speaker 1: Good morning, sweir then, welcome to the No Dunks podcast

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Speaker 1: on the Athletic Network. It's Monday, October fourteenth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jay Skeetz here in the Classic Factory and alongside me,

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Speaker 1: as always Task Melis podcast listeners, this is for you.

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Speaker 1: Next to him, we got the beard. Woe'm a top

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Speaker 1: shot boy. Trey Kirby, are you and over yonder making

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Speaker 1: the magic happen? Super producer JD. Hello, there he is here.

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Speaker 1: We are another NBA season preview podcast, going to be

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Speaker 1: ranking all thirty teams.

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Speaker 2: But before we do that.

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Speaker 1: The latest inductees into the Naysmith Memorial Basketball Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame officially enshrined on Sunday. Some great speeches from a

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Speaker 1: lot of the inductees and a great video dropped by

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Speaker 1: your boys at No Dunks specifically TASS and JD giving

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Speaker 1: a little Vince Carter Hall of Fame career retrospection and

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Speaker 1: short little video. Highly encourage you to click that link

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Speaker 1: in the show notes obviously up on our YouTube page

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Speaker 1: of Task talking about your love hate relationship sort of

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Speaker 1: in a way with Vince.

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Speaker 2: Cart And it's on all the social media's except TikTok

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Speaker 2: couldn't get it. There problems with the music, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: JD did a masterful work, yeah to make it happen.

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Speaker 2: But I had to talk about Vince, just had to

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Speaker 2: with what he did for us as this show. Maybe

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Speaker 2: the show wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Vince Carter. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all the fans that grew in Toronto, all the people

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Speaker 2: who start playing basketball that grew in Toronto. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that could have been a super long video. You can

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Speaker 2: talk forever about Vince Carter, I think, because how many

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Speaker 2: series did Vince Carter win in Toronto only one one?

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Speaker 2: It feels like he was so much more impactful right

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Speaker 2: when looking back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hence hence the hate part of the love hate relationship.

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Speaker 2: And he left, I mean more so the leaving part

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Speaker 2: than the winning part of course. But it's just an interesting,

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Speaker 2: unique career and with the new Jersey nets afterwards, he

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Speaker 2: only got to the second round twice. Then when we

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Speaker 2: got there, it got to the Orlando Magic. I thought

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Speaker 2: he'd get to an NBA finals. It was close because

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Speaker 2: they've made the NBA Finals and they signed Vince to replace

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Speaker 2: the Hido and after getting to the NBA Finals the

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Speaker 2: year before, they got to the conference finals against the

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Speaker 2: Boston Suffix when they had one fifty seven games. They

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Speaker 2: were there home team and Boston stole both games from

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Speaker 2: Orlando those first two. It's a unique, unique career.

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Speaker 1: Did you catch any of the speeches or highlights from

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Speaker 1: yesterday's Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 3: No, I watched Tastes video. Okay, that was great. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: none of my favorites were going in. I don't really

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Speaker 3: only care about the speech as well of those guys

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Speaker 2: It was a good moment between Doug Collins, you know,

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Speaker 2: Doug Collins.

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Speaker 3: Illinois legend, for sure, that's true.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say the obviously, Vince during a speech

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Speaker 1: out they have people that are already in the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame up there on the stage with them. It

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Speaker 1: was cool Doctor j and his cousin Tracy McGrady, and

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Speaker 1: there was like some exchanges about that just sort of

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Speaker 1: like just tripping. Man, it's like a family member already

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Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. Now he's going in. And

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Speaker 1: they learned later in life that they were even cousins.

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Speaker 1: So weird, but there there are anyway, go check those out.

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Speaker 1: A lot great speeches and very cool too. That Inside

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Speaker 1: Stuff and Slam Magazine getting inducted into the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame sort of. I don't know what particular wing that is.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's the Is it the Kurt Goudi media.

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Speaker 2: Lading, the Gouty Group, Yeah, the Goudy Group.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy for them because it means we're getting in.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: It helps our chances for sure when you know things

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Speaker 1: like that are inducted into the Hall of Fame. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: go check out that video. Awesome work by Task and JD. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we're ranking all thirty teams obviously heading into this season.

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Speaker 1: Tray and I did this last year. And look, it's

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Speaker 1: difficult before they play any games to rank all of

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Speaker 1: the teams across five tiers. And this was last season's tiers.

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Speaker 1: I'm showing everyone here on YouTube. We did, okay, I

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Speaker 1: think in the S tier title contenders like not bad

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Speaker 1: four flirts where we had the Lakers, Warriors, and Heat

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Speaker 2: No. Yeah, so tough. That was a tough one. Three teams. Yeah, yeah, right, so.

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Speaker 1: We really we really whiffed on that one. We'll be

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Speaker 3: Backs to make it sing.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna do it again.

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Speaker 1: And if we're doing here on today's podcast, we've changed

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Speaker 1: one thing when it comes to the tier names S

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Speaker 1: Then we have the B tier that's playoff locks, C

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Speaker 1: the D tier from lottery lads to flag seekers because

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Speaker 1: it's all about Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 3: It just goes to show you how little hype there

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Speaker 3: was for last year's draft. That's right, right, because we

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Speaker 3: We're just like, you can win the lottery, who You're.

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Speaker 1: Win it, right, So let's do it let's jump into it.

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Speaker 1: You want to start with the Eastern Conference? Do all

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Speaker 1: fifteen teams start with some lottery lads? Yeah, the winner

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Speaker 1: of the lottery lads.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah, last year for sure, that's right.

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Speaker 1: then we'll get to the West. But we're putting them

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Speaker 3: There. Here we go, Hawks, Atlanta Hawks. Thanks for always

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Speaker 3: being the leadoff batter when it comes to ranking teams

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Speaker 3: or anything and a in the Eastern Conference. You're getting

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Speaker 3: talked about immediately, big stuff for the Hawks this season.

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Speaker 3: They traded to Jante Murray and they're bringing in Zachary

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Speaker 3: resa Chet. Other things have happened, But that's the gist

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Speaker 3: of it. So where are you putting here? Because I

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Speaker 3: know what's the play and hopefuls, dude.

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Speaker 1: It almost has to be yes, Like they're not bad

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Speaker 2: Like it's it's got to be that tear. Absolutely, the

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of teams that could be a

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Speaker 2: teams that are lock lock locks. So we can't even

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Speaker 2: thirty six and forty six? You know? Will the defense

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Speaker 2: actually like do anything? Yeah? And within the way Daniels

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Speaker 2: and larryn Anthonys, Yeah, those guys. Whether it be a

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Speaker 2: period where they decide we're going young, We're going Resa Shape,

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Speaker 2: We're going Dice and Daniels, We're going Kobe Buffkin, We're

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Speaker 2: starting all our young dude along with Jalen Johnson instead

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Speaker 2: old guys older. Yeah, it will there be a period

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Speaker 1: So how much longer does the tray young era last

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Speaker 1: another complete wash of a season, I don't know. I

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't they have wanted to trade him? The past couple

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Speaker 3: of transaction cycles found no takers. I mean, obviously the

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Speaker 3: Lakers wanted him last year and wouldn't pay for it.

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Speaker 3: So maybe the Hawks convinced somebody. But it feels to

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Speaker 3: me like they made their move with the Dejonte Murray trade,

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Speaker 3: Reesa Shay and Jalen Johnson as their recent here now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, Bogdan Bogdanovic is the guy who I think

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Speaker 2: killing a compeller too. But I'm amongst like there's older

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Speaker 2: guys that could be traded, is all I'm saying from

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Speaker 1: Definitely not getting any of like package like Trey Young,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I hear you. Okay, they're a playing team,

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Speaker 3: They're a playing team. I think also an easy one

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Speaker 3: in Boston Celtics. They're a title contender, simple.

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Speaker 1: Next Yeah, and we we do put these in order.

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Speaker 1: so they'll probably where you just put them, I don't

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Speaker 2: They are the favorites to repeat.

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Speaker 3: I think so, right, yep.

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Speaker 1: I do have a question usually for every team, My

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Speaker 1: only question with them is the center rotation without Kristaps Porzingis.

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Speaker 1: Porzingis is, So can you get by with what a

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Speaker 1: thirty eight year old Al Horford and you want to

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Speaker 1: limit his minutes? Of course, you want to keep him

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Speaker 1: as fresh as possible for a postseason run. Luke Cornett

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Speaker 1: Xavier Tillman, you know that's to me the only cue

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Speaker 1: And will that be fine? It probably will be because

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Speaker 1: it has been before.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: But that's like their only weakness. And I don't even

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Speaker 1: know if I didn't call it weakness, because at least

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Speaker 1: there's some depth and some different players in terms of Cornette,

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Speaker 1: Tilman and Horford, how they play, it's different.

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Speaker 2: No question. Well, they change. Xavier Tillman's nickname I think

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Speaker 3: I think they should a nickname.

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Speaker 2: No, he needs one. Oh, I guess I shouldn't use

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Speaker 2: the word change. I use the word change. He does

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Speaker 2: have one. X Well, now you know what they should

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Speaker 2: call it, because it is Xavier Tillman and not Exavier Tillman.

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Speaker 2: They should call him the Big Z the next z

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Speaker 2: Z Part.

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Speaker 1: Two Jesus, that would be very good.

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Speaker 2: But that's what he goes. But maybe he should change

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Speaker 2: the spelling of his name. Does he have a nickname?

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Speaker 1: Basketball reference?

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Speaker 2: Give us a close Grandpa. He's a grandpa who doesn't

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Speaker 2: look like grandpa. Young looking old guy.

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Speaker 3: No, old looking young twenty five or something like that.

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Speaker 2: He's twenty five years old.

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Speaker 1: And he's a senior.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's something to be there.

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Speaker 3: Let's call him the citizen senior citizen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, go give him.

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Speaker 1: Like players. You're saying, absolutely, yeah, like players, absolut All right,

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Speaker 2: The play in the Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 3: In the Eastern Conference, bottom teams are terrible, man.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not.

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Speaker 2: Well, they don't know. They don't have hopes to be

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Speaker 3: They're either at the bottom of playing hopefuls or the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that you can talk me into because they're

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Speaker 2: He's wear an ankle braces for the first time in

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Speaker 1: And you know, the new coach bomb. Everyone loves Charles Lee,

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're better defensively and all that. Like, they're one

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Speaker 2: At this point right here, I have to put him

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Speaker 1: Josh Green is there, obviously he's come over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's hitting three. As you see this guy stepping

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Speaker 2: We're gonna regress that one.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be looking at this one in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: How about the Chicago ball.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I would love for them to be in the

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Speaker 1: How does Zach Lavine look? Though he's look good in preseason,

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Speaker 1: I do think they're going to be a flag seeker,

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Speaker 1: We're winning thirty five games, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: If I put them in the hopefuls of a playing spot,

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Speaker 1: Where do you want to put the bulls?

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Speaker 3: I want to put them in the bottom all right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: start from the bottom. Now we're here.

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Speaker 1: He's really trying to I like how you're really trying

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Speaker 3: The balls are going to be better than the hornets.

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Speaker 3: There will for sure. Yeah, they're definitely gonna be better

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Speaker 1: That's they actually do have talented players. Lock Lonzo Ball

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Speaker 3: They're only saying he's going to play. They're not.

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Speaker 3: Like, let's literally see him on an NBA quarter again.

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Speaker 3: It has it's been almost two years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely back up because he's start now. I'm

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Speaker 3: It's gotta be like fourth string only. Yeah, they got

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Speaker 1: Do you think we'll see LaMelo and uh Alonzo play

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Speaker 2: that's the three bros. Get him in ice cube?

437
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 3: Where is he was talking?

438
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:26,959
Speaker 1: Was he?

439
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:27,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

440
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:28,880
Speaker 2: He was talking this summer? Oh yeah?

441
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,800
Speaker 3: I saw Leangelo working out at one point too. Where

442
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 3: do I have to still see Leangelo ball?

443
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,359
Speaker 2: Where is he?

444
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,399
Speaker 3: I was looking good, he was in shape.

445
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the Caps.

446
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,000
Speaker 2: Cleveland Cavaliers. It's a good one. This is a good one.

447
00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 2: I agree.

448
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 3: I agree because to me, the Cleveland Cavaliers easily could

449
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,760
Speaker 3: finish in the conference finals like they It feels to

450
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,119
Speaker 3: me there are three teams we're going to have at

451
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,880
Speaker 3: the top of the Eastern Conference in the Celtics, the Knicks,

452
00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 3: and the seventy six Ers. Maybe it doesn't play out

453
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,200
Speaker 3: like that because we're hearing a lot from the seventy

454
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,399
Speaker 3: six Ers with regards to managing in beads, health, his minutes,

455
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 3: his back to backs, along with Paul Georges. Maybe they

456
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 3: don't have a great regular season, but I think they're

457
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 3: still a top three team. In the Eastern Conference, the

458
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 3: fourth slot is really up for grabs, and to me,

459
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,160
Speaker 3: it comes down to the Calves, the Heat, the Bucks, and.

460
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 2: Maybe the Magic.

461
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly one of those four teams could be our

462
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 3: final home court advantage team in the first round. And

463
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 3: you know, we saw what the Pacers last year. We

464
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 3: even saw in the Western Conference with both of the

465
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 3: MAVs and the Timberwolves. You can make a conference finals

466
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 3: depending on how the matchups shakeout. So I would almost

467
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 3: throw them up into the flirts category. Definitely a playoff

468
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 3: lock though for me.

469
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be the lowest win.

470
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,680
Speaker 1: Can you go as far to say they're a Final

471
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:52,640
Speaker 1: four flirt? You lover of Evan Mobley, lover of Darius Garlett? Yes,

472
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 1: I think you love Donovan Mitchell. I know you like

473
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 1: Jared Allen. You're a Kenny Atkinson guy through and through.

474
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: Bringing up TOPPOL.

475
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: This is the tough spot. Though. I do think they

476
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 2: are a better playoff team than they are regular season team,

477
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 2: So at this point interesting I would I would anoint

478
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 2: maybe one of these other teams above them, but like

479
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,719
Speaker 2: the like the Bucks, perhaps, but I'm fine putting them

480
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 2: as a flirt. There's there's a lot of flirters in

481
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference. I do think the title contenders are

482
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 2: the Calves, and if I'm gonna put one other team there,

483
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: it's the Knicks. But then the I'm sorry, the Knicks

484
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 2: and the Celtics. But then there's gonna be heavy flirting

485
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 2: happening with the Sixers, the Bucks, the Calves. Yeah, that's

486
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: what I would. I would, I'd flirt them. If we're

487
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 2: willing to put an extra flirter in there, then it's

488
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 2: not even a debate for me. I think the seventy

489
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 2: six Ers and then it's the second team. It's whether

490
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 2: it's the Bucks Calves. For me, magic aren't ready to flirt.

491
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: You talked a lot about on the over unders like

492
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: Evan Mobley in his progression right, especially on the off

493
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 1: So then you know, can you can you shoot? Can

494
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 1: you stretch the floor a little bit? How's that pairing work?

495
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 1: Obviously with Taron Allen, the defense not an issue. He's

496
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 1: one of the greatest defenders in the league already at

497
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: his age. But that's my huge queue with them, And

498
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: they were just weird, like because they were winning games,

499
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 1: but they didn't have their full repertoire for a lot

500
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: of the season, and oddly that was resulting in victories

501
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: and Garland had a wash of a season. I mean,

502
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: the guy, you know, weird injuries.

503
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: That's another big question, stuck through a straw half the like.

504
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: So your lead, I'm fine putting them as a as

505
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 2: a playoff lock. Yeah again, I say that at the

506
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: top of that. Yeah, I say they are more of

507
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 2: a playoff team because it is going to take them

508
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 2: some time to figure out this two point guard two

509
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: center thing with Kenny Atkinson.

510
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, let's put a playoff lock for now. We

511
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: can even change this at the end. That's fun.

512
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: That's a fun one.

513
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,959
Speaker 3: Worst team in the league last season. Yeah, the Detroit

514
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 3: Pistons twenty eight game of losing stream. They gotta be better. Hey,

515
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 3: I want to tank a fourth straight season. So to

516
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 3: do that, they brought in Tobias Harris, Malik Beasley, and

517
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 3: Tim Hardaway Junior. They got real guys on their team.

518
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: Guys.

519
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 3: You've heard of guys your team didn't want. But the

520
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: Pistons they want them and they got them. Baby Detroit Pistons.

521
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 3: Are we willing to call them a play and hopeful?

522
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: No, good, no, but they're gonna be better than a

523
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: fourteen win team and maybe significantly better and I mean significally,

524
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: like ten plus wins. Okay, they're still going to be

525
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: one of the worst teams in the Eastern Conference, I think.

526
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, they will be. They could even pass that

527
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: by half or midseason. They could get to fifteen wins.

528
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: They could be a fifteen and twenty five win team

529
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: forty games in. Does that make them a play in

530
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: hopeful at that point? At that point maybe sort of

531
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: in a weird way, but I'm I'm flagging.

532
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: It, okay.

533
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: And where we're flagging this one for review as well?

534
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: And where we putting them amongst those other crap teams?

535
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: Like are they at the at the front of the life?

536
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 3: I think they're better than the Nets?

537
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

538
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, that's where you yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

539
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah and behind the balls yeah yeah, man, the Hornets,

540
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: we made a mistake. Okay, let's move on. We gotta

541
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: take a swing though, but did play But they.

542
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: Also had Gordon Hayward when his body still worked in

543
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 3: Terry Rozier. They had better players on the team back then.

544
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: Yah. Yes, but hey man, I'm still low.

545
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 3: Believer, alright, Yeah, that's why I don't know, but I

546
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 3: remember it. Tall guys that can pass.

547
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: Oh colectable.

548
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 3: The Indiana Pacers. They made the conference finals last season,

549
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: they made the conference finals. We've seen a lot of

550
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: rubber band effect with those kind of teams in the

551
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: past uh half decade, and the NBA at the very

552
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: least Indiana Pacers have to be very near the Cleveland Cavaliers.

553
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 3: To me, are they ahead or behind the Calves?

554
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

555
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 3: You know, they're both. It's both kind of interesting. On

556
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 3: one hand, you got the Calves, who can't play all

557
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: four of their best players together when it really matters.

558
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: On the other hand, and you got the Pacers, who

559
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 3: probably don't play playoff quality defense when you get to

560
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: the highest levels. But both flawed teams, but both very

561
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: good teams.

562
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 2: I do believe. So.

563
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 3: Pacers, you can convince me they're a Final four flirt.

564
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: They made it their last year.

565
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: They did. They were really flirting.

566
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 3: They a call back from their honey.

567
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they went and got with the honey for

568
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: a playoff series forty seven wins get to the conference finals.

569
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: If you're annointing them just a playoff luck rather than

570
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: a Final four flirt, then you're basically saying there's guys

571
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: or teams. I should say, we're jumping and taking your flirting.

572
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: And also, guys, the way the matchups and playoff Matt, like,

573
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, is there an injury to the other team

574
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: like they benefited last year. They're a good team, they

575
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: have an identity, They're gonna.

576
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 2: Score, score you.

577
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: But like they got a little lucky in postseason matchups

578
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: for sure. The Bucks, Yeah, would they go.

579
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: As far as they did knocked up Nicks, Yeah, yeah,

580
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 3: but they took advantage of and that's what you got

581
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: to do in the NBA.

582
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: I think they're a playoff lock.

583
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: The literation for the Celtics. I mean they didn't get

584
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: a break with the Celtics, but those were good banged

585
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: up Vick and banged up Bucks, knocked up Nicks.

586
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: Click and Celtics though, yeah they smoked them.

587
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: They were didn't matter.

588
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with the playoff lock above the calves

589
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: or below.

590
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: The I think right below the calves, they're right there

591
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: to me with them, Yes, they're they're a perfect tier

592
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: together them and we're gonna have the magic right there

593
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: as well.

594
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: And like look for them.

595
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean, both those teams actually really cast and Pacers

596
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: like it's continuity, right. I mean they didn't do a

597
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: whole lot in the honest and the cas made a

598
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: coaching change that is big. But like Pacers, I mean

599
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: they did they did like nothing.

600
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 2: You got a full season of Siakam though.

601
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 3: That was their movie.

602
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: Better.

603
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: Look I'm not I'm not knocking them for that. I

604
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: don't mind teams that are like, hey, we were pretty good.

605
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: We have a bunch of talented guys. Let's just grow

606
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: on that. And that's what they're going like. They really

607
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: just added James Wiseman for Jalen Smith. That was like

608
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: the one real thing they did. I have one great

609
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: question though out of left field. You called I thought

610
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: it was a great nickname. You called Benedict Mathrine the Baker.

611
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: Somebody uh in the IG comments I believe said, Okay,

612
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: great nickname, ben the Baker. If he's the baker, who's

613
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: the butcher and who's the candlestick maker on the Pacers?

614
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: Rubb a dub dub, let's do it?

615
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: Okay, I like it. It's gotta be bench guys. It's

616
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: gotta be bench guys to me.

617
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So the rub a dub dub bench is maybe

618
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: a name going here.

619
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: Ben the Baker, TJ. McConnell, the candlestick maker.

620
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got to be one of them.

621
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: Is he more of a butcher in a weird way?

622
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: Butcher seems like a big guy to me.

623
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: But do they have like a did they have a

624
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: big guy with a B you know that would be

625
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 3: helpful or something along those lines. Okay, you want to

626
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: go candle the butcher? Jaris Walker the butcher and.

627
00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: Tough. You have to wait and see on that one.

628
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: Just thought, you know, like McConnell, please, he's a gritty fella. Yeah, gritty, dirty,

629
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: bloody butcher esque butcher esque.

630
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: Okay, we don't need to answer now, but let's.

631
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: Just let that marinade, all right, beautiful?

632
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: The Miami Heat. What do you do about the Miami Heat?

633
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: You know, how do you decide on Memmy Heat? They

634
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 3: never have a good regular season. They try and win

635
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: through the play in tournament. Sometimes it works, and sometimes

636
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: they get smoked after they make it to the actual playoffs.

637
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit higher on the Heat this season

638
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: for literally no reason. They also didn't really do much.

639
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: But I think Jovic is a good player. I think

640
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: he will progress. I thought we saw a little from him.

641
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: I think Hawkes at the very least will be the

642
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: same player as he was last season. You gotta assume

643
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: better health for Jimmy Butler. He seems like he wants

644
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: to play more games. Bam Outebaio is shooting threes and

645
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: I think he might actually do it when it comes

646
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: regular season.

647
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: Very high on Khalil War.

648
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: They're very high, walking, crazy, super energetic seven footer.

649
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: Maybe pair them with Bam at times.

650
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

651
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: Outside of that, they added books, not a whole lot

652
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: else lost, Cayla Martin, lost Petty Mills, Caen Martin's a

653
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: loss for sure. Yeah, a very difficult team to figure out.

654
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: Where to put.

655
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: Honestly, you could run like the Gamut here with like

656
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: you could You honestly could, Hey, full season of Jimmy Butler,

657
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: sure Tyler hero with a buzz cut and all these

658
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: big guys. You could talk me into a Final four

659
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: flirt like we did last year and we regretted. But

660
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: you could also have me down obviously as just a

661
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: play and hopeful, because that's sort of how regular seasons

662
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: go for this team, especially wh Jimmy doesn't play. They

663
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: struggle offensively but they're always a top five defensive team

664
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: underspo It is a tough one probably in the middle.

665
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: Right. My question is how many are we locking into

666
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: the playoffs because Celtics, Nicks, six Ers, Bucks, Calves, Magic, Pacers, Locks,

667
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: that's seven. So are you're adding in the heat? I suppose,

668
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: But then you're basically saying none of the hopefuls are

669
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: making it, which I guess it's a decent. It always

670
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: goes in the play.

671
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: In, you know, the Heater in and they end up

672
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: playing one of these trash teams. You're like, oh wait,

673
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: the Heater actually a playoff team. That's how it always goes.

674
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: I'm willing to call him a lock here.

675
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: It's the question is are they this year better than

676
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: the Calves and the Pacers and the Magic in the

677
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: regular season.

678
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: I don't think so. In the regular season. Yeah, I agree.

679
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,239
Speaker 1: It's so crazy, like they're two games worse than those

680
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: teams last year. The Heater, it just.

681
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: Feels like they were Imagine Jimmy plays more, maybe they

682
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: win some more clutch games. Yeah, I feel like maybe

683
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: they were good in the clutch. That could have been

684
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: the season.

685
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: It's just Jimmy stay on the floor and play like

686
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: a you know a lot of games.

687
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: Okay, I watched some of Starting five, the Netflix show.

688
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: That was it.

689
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's good. The reason Jimmy Butler is out

690
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: so much is because he's skinny. He's tiny compared to

691
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: all these other guys that are in the NBA, and

692
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: you see the style he plays, it's not surprising that

693
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: he's banged up all the time. He is so much

694
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: smaller than I mean, obviously Lebron, Demanta Sabonis, but like,

695
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: he's tiny compared to Jason Tatum. It looks like a

696
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: skinny man very shirtless in this series.

697
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my question. She is not wearing a

698
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: shirt a lot of the time. So now we're seeing

699
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: the true size.

700
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: Who wears their shirt lesson this Starting five Anthony Edwards

701
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: or or Lebron or Jimmy.

702
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: Okay, Lebron, Jimmy and and Jason Tatum are the three

703
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: highest no shirt wears. Yeah, wears a shirt more than

704
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: you would think. And Sibonis is like consistently wearing a

705
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: shirt even in the pool shirt they got Tamanta Saboni's

706
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: building like an Ikea tent in one of these episodes.

707
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: I gotta watch this I was hesitant, but I am

708
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: like people that have watched her saying, it's okay, watch

709
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: it with your wife. Man, Oh yeah, she's gonna like.

710
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: A key like a lot of family time.

711
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: And you're learning about these guys and their histories and like,

712
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: I mean, Lebron's been in your life for twenty years.

713
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. Are you are you, as a basketball

714
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: Siico learning anything new from these five guys.

715
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: I don't know about that, okay, but I'm remembering stuff.

716
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, like the very early on. Maybe it's an

717
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: episode two. They have the game between the Timberwolves and

718
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: the Celtics that ends with like Tatum and Ant guarding

719
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: each other. Remember that game, This was an awesome game,

720
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: and then it was an awesome game. There's a whole

721
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: segment explained where dem Sabonis explains what it's like to

722
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: get a triple Doubleye I understood. I don't know, but

723
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's more for somebody who's

724
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: a casual fan to learn about this kind of stuff,

725
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: And in my household, in particular, it's for my wife

726
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: to figure out why I come home with black eyes

727
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: and cuts on my face all the time, because she

728
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: saw Sabonis playing.

729
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: She's like, that's what you're like.

730
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: That is what I'm like. I just don't pass as

731
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: much game compared to that's a win.

732
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 3: So I'm good. A playoff lock.

733
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you like them above the seas or the ps.

734
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: The Cats are the Pacers, all right, we'll keep them there.

735
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: I would take the heat in the playoff series over

736
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: both of those teams.

737
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: I bet that's the weird stuff.

738
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: I would.

739
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: It's all about matchups. It's all about matchups when it

740
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: comes down to it.

741
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. Yeah.

742
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 3: The Milwaukee Bucks, they signed a bunch of minimum guys.

743
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: That's all they did really this summer. Torrian Prince, Delon Wright,

744
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: Gary Trent Junior, and they're just hoping that they don't

745
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: have quite the same drama this season. New coach last

746
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 3: year and Adrian Griffin. He lasted forty four games. Then

747
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 3: they got another new coach in Doc Rivers. Obviously, they

748
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: did the Lillard trade in September. He's coming in healthier

749
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: than he was last season, more in shape than he was.

750
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: So the Milwaukee Bucks, I know they're at least the

751
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: playoff lock, and I think they're probably going to be

752
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: our first team here in the final four flirt? Are

753
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: you going championship level tasks?

754
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 2: Wow? I know some people, just because of what they

755
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: did last year in the playoffs and the fact that

756
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: Yanny's and Chris Middleton do get injured in the postseason,

757
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 2: would say this team ain't even a final four flirt.

758
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 2: We saw it in the postseason last year. They didn't

759
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: get there. Obviously because Yanni's was hurt was a big

760
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: part of it. But I'm putting them there. We are

761
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: getting a better Lillard. Yannis is extremely happy playing for

762
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: Grease in the Olympics for the first time. He's basking

763
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: in it. They started thirty and thirteen last year. That

764
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: is that is amazing. They are slow playing Middleton for

765
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: the worse. Yeah, they did get worse. They start, the

766
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: defense was better, but yes, they haven't done a lot.

767
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: Lillard has said that he is devoted to that for

768
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: the first time his career. Feels like that. He's doing

769
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: that in talk. Anyways, they're slow playing this Chris Middleton

770
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: thing big time. And I know Chris Middleton may not

771
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 2: be a huge regular season factor, but he is important

772
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: to them. He is important, and their fifth spot got better.

773
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: The Gary Trent Over Malik Beasley to me anyways, but

774
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: the injuries are are big part of it. But I'm

775
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: pushing them there because to the final four, okay, because

776
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 2: they're definitely a lock.

777
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, my big question with them you were touching on

778
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: it there Ken Milwaukee get back to being a top

779
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: five or even a top ten defensive team. That to

780
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: me is like that gets them into Final four, flirt,

781
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: that gets them obviously knocking on the door of maybe

782
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: being a title contender. Otherwise like they were, they were, Yeah,

783
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: they improved a little bit when they adopted.

784
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: They were bad.

785
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: They were like, they're near like lower third of this

786
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: league defensively. And you know, I get why Age showed.

787
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: It's you know, unfortunately showed it's an ugly head. That's

788
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: definitely not a saying Age showed its ugly head.

789
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: The age can be ugly. Can know what I was trying.

790
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: I guess that's.

791
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: Got some more old guys I know, not any younger. No,

792
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: that's Gary. Gary's young.

793
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: Gary's young. The Lonwright plays defense though you know it's

794
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: are on the fringes here.

795
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 3: Obviously he's not. I mean, Jordan Wright, I agree, is good.

796
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 3: But if he's playing, it means Lillard's not playing.

797
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, true, Uh so where do you want to put

798
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: on the playoffs?

799
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: Locer, final four filert.

800
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 3: I would say final four flirt. I just I got

801
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 3: a lot of respect for Giannis and as long as

802
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: he's healthy, I think that the Bucks can win a

803
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: first round playoff series against whoever they're going to be

804
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 3: matched up with pretty easily. And then it depends on

805
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: who they're faced up against. And you know, you got

806
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: to give Yannis a chance in that one.

807
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: Okay, Final four flirt cool put him in there. New

808
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: York Knicks, oh yeah.

809
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 3: Oh they did a lot this season. We thought they

810
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 3: were going to have just a bunch of college buddies

811
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 3: hanging out. GQ did a whole story about the Nova Knicks,

812
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 3: only for Karl Anthony Towns to be traded to the

813
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 3: Knicks as well, So GQ had to scuttle their plans

814
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: and go with the greatest Knicks team that never was.

815
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: Sad stuff. I would say the greatest Knicks team that

816
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: never was was when they were an hour away from

817
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: signing Michael Jordan in nineteen ninety six.

818
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: That's just me.

819
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: Jordan and Patrick Ewing would have been a decent team.

820
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: They never played together, and nor did the Nova Knicks,

821
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: but they still upgraded. They got Karl Anthony Towns. They

822
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: got Michale Bridges alongside Josh Hart, Jalen Brunson, oh Gianna

823
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: Nobi precious at Chea. They drafted a guy named Tyler Kolek. Yeah,

824
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: McBride is good, as is Miles McBride. Jericho sims, he's

825
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: still around. They won't play him, but he's there.

826
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why they kind of need another healthy center.

827
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: But I guess they're just waiting for Mitchell Rumson to

828
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: come back. And when Mitch comes back, this team belongs

829
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: in the Final four, especially because I mean it's already

830
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: testy in New York. That Rick Brunson talking trash with

831
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: Dante Devincenzo, that also fantastic Devincenzo at the foul line,

832
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: saying that's what happens. Would you take.

833
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: He said, that's what happens when they let you run

834
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: the show, said to the Knicks bench in the first quarter,

835
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: and then yes escalated after the game. Rick Rick and

836
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: Dante Dante's inferno with Rick Brunson as they tried to

837
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: like the sort of talk crap to each.

838
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: Other, talking trash to an assistant coach who was the

839
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: head coach yesterday because TIBs wasn't there. But that's just great.

840
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: That is great. That's exactly what he said. That's what

841
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: happens when you take control of the show. That's great.

842
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: I get and ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

843
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: What are the odds next Timberwolves finals?

844
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean, the odds would pay two good teams, like

845
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: if it broke the right one percent chance or lower

846
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: one percent seems okay.

847
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: One simulations, I mean are they It's just if you

848
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: think that somebody can beat the Celtics, it's the Knicks, right,

849
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 3: That's what it comes down. Interesting, that is the question

850
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: can the Knicks beat the Celtics at their own game?

851
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: Because the Knicks basically have done what the Celtics did.

852
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 3: They got two great wings in Og and Michale Bridges,

853
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 3: and they got a stretch five in Karl Anthony Towns.

854
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: That's their porzingis. Whereas you look at the seventy six.

855
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 3: Ers, they've got their own thing going. They got a

856
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 3: huge dude in Joel, they got a fast guy in Maxi,

857
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: and they got a wing and Paul George. They're a

858
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: different style team, whereas the Knicks are playing Celtics style.

859
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they got a cat to pull Porzengis out and

860
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: give lots of space for Brunson and Bridges who want

861
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: to drive. I would rather go with the Knicks, so

862
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 2: I think it's higher than one percent. I would rather

863
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: take the Knicks style than the seventy six ers style

864
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: right now. So yes, a three percent. So that the

865
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: Knicks and the Timberwolves will meet in the finals.

866
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: So we're going final four flirt though you guys don't think.

867
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: They're title contenders. Yeah, if you have to add a

868
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: second team to that, I would put the Knicks in

869
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference?

870
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: Is it?

871
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: Somebody has to be another contender in the Eastern Conference?

872
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: They what somethings are not guaranteed to be in the finals.

873
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I love Jalen Brunson more than anybody, but

874
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: I'd be worried about Drew Holiday and Derek White locking

875
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: his ass up, shutting that off a little bit. And

876
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: I love Jalen Brunson, but okay, okay, uh, you.

877
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: Just want one.

878
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: So you're just trying to decide between them and the

879
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: Sixers as to who will be the other Eastern Conference

880
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: team as a title contender.

881
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: It's easy to me, but we do want just one self.

882
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: Are we already here? We're already at this point where

883
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 2: the cell.

884
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: There's no rule that says we have to have so

885
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: many Eastern Conference teams or so many teams from whatever

886
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: conference as a title contender.

887
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: Just because you saw them smack around a couple of

888
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: teams last year in the playoffs doesn't mean they're going

889
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: to get their shirt.

890
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: I would, of course, it doesn't mean for sure, but

891
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: you have that against it. I mean I would, all right,

892
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: but the Knicks.

893
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: Put them there, mate, Wow, in the title contender.

894
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: Jesus I was. I was just throwing you guys up.

895
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: I would mix as the title contender there a final four. Well,

896
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: then bump them down if you agree with me. Put

897
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: them ahead of the Buck.

898
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: Though, definitely ahead of Yeah, definitely, there's three title contenders

899
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: this season.

900
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll get to them.

901
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: Tune in later. The best the ground for the Western

902
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: Conference or I know, magic playoff lock. Yeah, they're in

903
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: that tier. That's the tier we're talking about, the c

904
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 3: p M tier right now. We're adding an oh where

905
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,959
Speaker 3: do they go that? Are they better than the heat?

906
00:40:59,160 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: Ye?

907
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 3: Are they better in the pacers?

908
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

909
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, better than the Calves.

910
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: I'm okay putting them better than the Calves in the

911
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: regular season. Yeah, it's you guys want.

912
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sort of with tasks. I feel like I

913
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: feel confident about them as a regular season team. I

914
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: do think they're gonna flirt with fifty wins. Not that

915
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: those other teams won't either, I mean, they're all there

916
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: basically in the same ballpark. But yeah, they obviously just

917
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: lost to the Caves last year in a series. But

918
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: I like the KCP addition. I just like I like

919
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: everything I'm hearing from Pallo Bancaro in this team, and

920
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: obviously coach Mosley. I just there's a nice quiet confidence

921
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: to him. I also think I do think they're going

922
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: to have a better offensive year. I think casep's gonna help.

923
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: Obviously three point shooting. I do believe in Franz Bogner

924
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: not to be as bad as he was from three

925
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: point distance last year, So I think that goes up,

926
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: and I don't see the defense falling off. So yeah,

927
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,959
Speaker 1: it's either ahead of the Calves or behind the Calves.

928
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: Right in playoff locks, put them behind, Yeah, put them behind.

929
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 3: Okay, tell me this, then, who's the best player here,

930
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell, hollow Boncaro, Tyrese Halliburton, Jimmy.

931
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: Butler in in uh, in a playoff series or just

932
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: like it's done.

933
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: It's hard to bet against Jimmy, But yeah, I think

934
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: it's of those guys.

935
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: Yep, I think so.

936
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: And Jimmy is the best playoff guy. Well, I mean

937
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: Donald Mitch.

938
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, yeah, Jimmy's Jimmy's holding onto that.

939
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, at some point that has to

940
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: fade away.

941
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was terrible in the playoffs last year. He

942
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: was hurt, right, Yeah, we've seen it sometimes. We've seen

943
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: it sometimes, Jimmy maybe this year. The Philadelphia seventy six ers.

944
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 3: Are they a Final four flirt?

945
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: Oh?

946
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah they are.

947
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

948
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 3: I do think they could win the championship this year.

949
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 3: But wow, nobody gonna be wagering on that one. Trusting

950
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: the seventy six ers, I ain't that foolish, but uh,

951
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 3: I think they could do it. But I think they

952
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 3: should end up in the Final four flirt category. For me,

953
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: they would be in between the Knicks and the Bucks.

954
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would definitely rather anoint the Nick into the

955
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: title contenders rather than the seventy six ers. There's just

956
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 2: too many questions. We don't need to get into injuries again.

957
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 2: But it definitely is a question. Embiid's not playing in

958
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: the preseason.

959
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: Only question is Joel Embiid healthy enough when it matters.

960
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: That's it. It's like and and you know what's interesting

961
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: to me I was thinking about this.

962
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: Is so you're saying the rest of the team is

963
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: that much better because I love what they did. Yeah. Yeah,

964
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 2: last year they got bounced in the first round.

965
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Embiid coming back from injury.

966
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: He's playing good, but he's been He's been injured in

967
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,959
Speaker 2: every playoffs, almost every plus he's missed games in five

968
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: of seven NBA playoffs.

969
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: It's wild that Nick Nurse is the coach for this

970
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: team because like they need to they need to have

971
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: the Kawhi Raptors year with Joel Embid. They need to

972
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: like have that blueprint, which was obviously they slow played

973
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: the injury with Kawhi missed the majority of time, but

974
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: the team was still really good. They won a ton

975
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: of games when Kawhi didn't play that year, and then

976
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: when they got they got Kawhi at his peak in

977
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: the postseason. They don't win a title without him, and

978
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: like they need, like they need Embiid to have that

979
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: Kawhi year. I think it's possible, and I think the

980
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: team is better even without Embid in some of these games,

981
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: with Maxi leveling up, Paul George, Cayla Martin, all the additions.

982
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: So they're obviously a play sorry, a final four floirt

983
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: and you want to put them behind the knicks, you're

984
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: one to put them behind the next.

985
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: That's fine. I think there's additional questions that Joel Embiid

986
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: in a little way because even Darryl Moury said other

987
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 2: guys are gonna have to wait for that push. Who's

988
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: he talking about it? It could be old guys like

989
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: Kyle Lowry's or whatever, but it could be Paul George.

990
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: He has misplayoffs even for the Clippers. That's happened before

991
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: Caleb Martin allowed to come from the heat. Why didn't

992
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 2: they heat resign that guy? There's you know, there's stuff,

993
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: there's stuff there. So yeah, he's definitely a final uh

994
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: final four for me.

995
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 3: Coolno Raptors play and hopeful.

996
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 2: Oh god, gotta hope gott.

997
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what did they do? They didn't do a

998
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: whole lot. They did all their moves last year during

999
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: the season. I guess Davion chills in. They're hiring a

1000
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: lot of their draft picks, you know, Walter Mobo, shed

1001
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: Heads are out. There is Scottie Barnes, Emanual Quickly and RJ.

1002
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: Barrett good enough big three to be in the play

1003
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: in or you know, trying to flirt for a position

1004
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. That's what we're getting at here.

1005
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: Are they going to play together? It's a good question

1006
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: now now in the preseason, because you've already got injuries

1007
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: happening right now. It'll be healthy eventually, yeah, I suppose.

1008
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: I'm like it, I'm trying to imagine that all these

1009
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: teams are fully healthy here. Yeah, yeah, a fully healthy

1010
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 3: Raptors team. They're better than the Hornets. Are they better

1011
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 3: than the Hawks? They could be maybe, yeah, yeah they could.

1012
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: I think the Hawks have the best player.

1013
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have. I'm extremely hopeful coming into the

1014
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: just the warm ups here. But then but then Bear's out,

1015
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: I mean for the entire preseason. It might be out

1016
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: for longer, so you start to worry. He's out for

1017
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 2: at least the preseason. But in the East, it's easy

1018
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: to be flirting because somebody's going to get in with

1019
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 2: a thirty five win record.

1020
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 3: Ten seed is going to happen. It's going to be

1021
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 3: a bad team.

1022
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1023
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: The worst case scenario is that the Raptors are not

1024
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: good enough. Excuse me, they're not bad enough for a

1025
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: high draft pick, and they're not good enough to matter

1026
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: at all. They are just in that spot and that's

1027
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: where we're at. Unfortunately, they're playing hopeful they're better than

1028
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: the Hornets. So if we have the Hornets there than

1029
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: the Raptors got, I'm sorry they have to.

1030
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, but Barnes. I believe in Barnes to

1031
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: be his best year here. Why not?

1032
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I think defense is going to be an

1033
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: issue stopping teams fertile.

1034
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: But he said I'm not trying hard. I don't think

1035
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 3: we should try hard to win every game. That was

1036
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: maybe the worst quote in all media day. I don't

1037
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: think Raptors fans that realize your team is bad and

1038
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: tank until their player came out and said it bank

1039
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: well yeah, and then even to have them a SiZ

1040
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: saying the word rebuild, a guy never says that, and

1041
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: even he's leaning into that. It's like they're trying to

1042
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 3: tell us here, hey, don't get your home something.

1043
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't get your home some guys. Yeah, the bar

1044
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: is very low.

1045
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: Maybe it is playing. Maybe just in the final couple

1046
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 1: weeks they have a chance to make the plan, which

1047
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: is honestly worse. That's what I'm saying, Like, be bad,

1048
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: be real bad. Give me those better odds for to

1049
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: capture a flag. But okay, play and hopeful.

1050
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: All right, our final Eastern Conference team, my personal pick

1051
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: for worst team in the league, the Washington Wizards.

1052
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: Clearly they're a flag seeker. It's just where do you

1053
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 2: want to put them? Yeah, below the nets?

1054
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: Are above the nets.

1055
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: That's weird, right, Like obviously a bunch of young prospects

1056
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: that they're still hoping some of them can hit. But

1057
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: they're they're high on Klabali and Alex sorry is gonna

1058
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: have time to turn into a great player and you

1059
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: probably will impact the team positively on the defensive end

1060
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: right away. And then they have all these old guys

1061
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: like you know, Brogden's there, Valentiunas is there. Kuzma, whether

1062
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: you want to consider him sort of a bet at

1063
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: this point, I guess he is. It's weird Mix's just like,

1064
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: how hard do they lean into trying to get a

1065
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: Cooper Flag or a high draft pick, because there's obviously

1066
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: not just Flag. There's some very promising prospects in this

1067
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: next draft. Yeah, they should, they should. They should just

1068
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: play all those super young guys and just be bad.

1069
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if they play Valentunis, Kuzma and Broggden

1070
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: a lot, I don't think it's going to change their wins.

1071
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: All that time.

1072
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, you're right, you know right.

1073
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: They'll trade them eventually. But I'm with you, and they're

1074
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: trying to get a high draft pick. They still need

1075
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: a franchise corner store. Yes, yes, Sar seems like a

1076
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 3: good second guy. Kulabali seems like a good second guy.

1077
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: They need the number one guy.

1078
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:45,479
Speaker 2: Yep.

1079
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: Worst team in the league, yeah, or better than the Nets.

1080
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: I think the Nets will be better. Wow, I mean.

1081
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 4: Getting going earlylse Oh yeah, so one of the leans

1082
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 4: right now for a dust bowl teams sounds like, Uh,

1083
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 4: I guess task is more pro Wizards than I am.

1084
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, or I guess better.

1085
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

1086
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: You know, we got to get to the Western Conference team,

1087
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: so there's fewer really crappy teams. But then they're in

1088
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: a tougher conference. Wow, it really makes you say.

1089
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 3: Let's get to there at the bottom. That's okay, we're

1090
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 3: switching to the Western Conference. Exciting times. The Dallas Mavericks

1091
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 3: probably our biggest whiff last year's skis as a play

1092
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: and hopeful that one was your fault. You were so

1093
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: down on the map the Mavericks, I was, Yeah, they

1094
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: tanked away the season and guess what it worked. They

1095
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 3: got Derek Lyle, he was awesome. They made a move

1096
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: during the trade deadline, they got PJ. Washington, they got

1097
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: Daniel Gafford. Those guys are coming back. Klay Thompson in,

1098
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: Tim Hardaway junior outright, Derek Jones junior out, Quentin Grimes

1099
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 3: in what are you thinking here? Final four flirt? Yeah,

1100
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 3: Naji Marshall's around as well. They're a playoff lock man.

1101
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: You've probably got to put them in the Final four

1102
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: flirts though, because at the very least, you know, they

1103
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 3: went to the finals and they got Luka Dancic.

1104
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and after those midseason trades, they were like their

1105
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: defense was legit.

1106
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: They were sweet.

1107
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: Is that real? Can that hold up for an entire season?

1108
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: If it can then they're automatic Final four flirt.

1109
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: To me, they are flirters. I totally think that. I

1110
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: do think they are a better postseason team than regular

1111
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 2: season team, and that's okay. And people were coming at

1112
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: me for saying that the MAVs maybe a forty plus

1113
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 2: win team, but you know, forty eight I said under

1114
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: the forty nine and a half over under total that

1115
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: they have for the regulars. So people are coming at me.

1116
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: This team made the freaking finals, but I think they

1117
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 2: are going to get better in the postseason, and I

1118
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: think that's okay. If they finished with forty eight or

1119
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: forty nine wins, it is going to be weird. What

1120
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: is their defense going to be with Luca, Kyrie and

1121
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: Clay starting starting this season, because you know, you got

1122
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: to believe in their other guys in PJ and Lively

1123
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: and Gaffer, like, you got to believe in those guys,

1124
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 2: and they may change it. I mean, you could see

1125
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: Najie Marshall taking Clay's starting spot, maybe Quinton Quinton Grimes.

1126
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: It's gonna play, but you got to replace Derrek Jones junior,

1127
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: and so I think it's gonna take some time. And

1128
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: last year, they you know, they weren't an incredible winning

1129
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: regular season team, and they made the finals conference.

1130
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: Fifty and thirty two, top ten on the offensive side

1131
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: of the ball overall, eighteenth in defensive rating, but that

1132
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: really improved after the deals that they made. Yeah, it's

1133
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: wild that you know, arount a point where like, can

1134
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: Naji Marshall replicate what Derek Jones Junior gave them? It's

1135
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 1: like a legit question. Derrek Jones Junior was really good,

1136
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: obviously a lob threat at times, could hit his three

1137
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: sometimes it obviously abandoned him, but defensively he would take

1138
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: on the usually the better perimeter player on the other team.

1139
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's not starting, because you got Luca Kyrie

1140
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: and Clay starting as your one, two three, it's going

1141
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: to be different. And maybe Naji Marshall says I gotta start,

1142
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: and eventually he does start for Clay and they're good defensively.

1143
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a tough West. It's a very tough one.

1144
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: Okay, we got him in the right spot. I don't

1145
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: think it's weird. I know they went to the finals,

1146
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: but they don't feel still to me as a title

1147
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: contender with a bang because.

1148
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: They're still questions Western Conference is even more so about matchups.

1149
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: I think, so where do you have them? Though? Compared

1150
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: to the Knick Sixers, Bucks, I would put him above

1151
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: at least the Sixers.

1152
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1153
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 2: It feels fine there, sure cool, right, Yeah, I'm fine

1154
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: with that.

1155
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: Okay.

1156
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 3: Behind the neckt Denver Nuggets. They won the twenty twenty

1157
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 3: three NBA Championship. They were eliminated in a Game seven

1158
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: against the Minnesota Timberwolves. They had a twenty point lead. Yeah,

1159
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 3: in the second half of this game. Unbelievable that they

1160
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 3: blew it. Actually they lost casep. They're replacing him with

1161
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 3: one of the three of Christian Brown, Peyton Watson, and

1162
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: Julian Strather. We'll see who ends up being. Probably gonna

1163
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 3: be Christian Brown to start off. Dario Sharich is around.

1164
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: I know task is excited about that. I still think

1165
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 3: the Nuggets are a title contender.

1166
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I love it. I'm with you. I'm totally with you.

1167
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: I know, I know there are some questions. It's all

1168
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray.

1169
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: Baby, he doesn't look good in preseason. I'll tell you that.

1170
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 2: That's a big part of it. Yeah.

1171
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a huge concern to me. But you

1172
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: got Jokich. I mean it's Murray, and obviously I'm PJ.

1173
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: Those guy's got to play their part led by Yokich,

1174
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: title contender. It is scary with Olypics twice last year,

1175
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: I think, yeah them right, right right? That would have

1176
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: been a fun finals matchup for sure. But the Minnesota

1177
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: Timberwolves that were coming back in this game, we're ruining everything.

1178
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: And then they lost because the mascot, and.

1179
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 3: They traded the guy who helped them be able to

1180
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 3: play against the Nuggets.

1181
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't we know exactly how Jamal Murray is?

1182
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 2: We should know that they go and sign out a

1183
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: monstrous contract. They signed him to a huge contract, so

1184
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: you think he'd be healthier than he showed in the

1185
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: postseason and the Olympics. He would be fine because he's

1186
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: really really important to this team. So I just assume

1187
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: if Booth is signing him to this big deal he's

1188
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 2: giving he's giving him a ton of money. If he's

1189
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: half the guy he used to be, then you don't

1190
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: give him that money. So I got assume he's good

1191
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: enough and then I make them a time contenders. Okay,

1192
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: And I do believe in Russell Westbrook looking good in

1193
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 2: the preseasons. They need life. They need somebody to have

1194
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: attitude after winning a championship. They just need somebody to

1195
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 2: be a little snotty, and I think Russell has already

1196
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: been that guy. So far, so far, so good.

1197
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: And it's it is like who of those kids can

1198
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: fit in there and grab that fifth spot and contribute

1199
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: and or or they do they all play their part.

1200
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: You said all the names already.

1201
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: I won't go over them.

1202
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: That's important here too. But title contender with Jokic still

1203
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: an MVP form. But there are a lot of questions

1204
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: with the other guys that we just went through, like

1205
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: health reasons with Jamal Murray, and then you know, you

1206
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: never know sometimes what Porter you're gonna get. Gordon's actually

1207
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: fallen into a pretty consistent sort of contributor, I think.

1208
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: But Michael Porter Junior, it's all over these ups and down,

1209
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: these ups and downs. He's the roller coaster for sure.

1210
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 3: A Golden State Warriors, I think this is an interesting one.

1211
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 3: They had a pretty solid record last season when they

1212
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 3: won forty six games.

1213
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 2: They did they did forty six and thirty six, lost.

1214
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 3: In thirty six. Thinks got smoked in the plane I'm

1215
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 3: remembering right, it's about fifteen or twenty something like that.

1216
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: They traded their franchise icon Klay Thompson, and they brought

1217
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 3: in a whole bunch of guys. D Anthony Melton is here,

1218
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: Buddy Healed is here?

1219
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: Who else? They Kyle Anderson, Anderson and the threes.

1220
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: People are saying, Lindy Waters, you got to get on

1221
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 3: the court, buddy, Yeah, he's too good of a shooter

1222
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 3: to keep.

1223
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: Him on the bench.

1224
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: Brought in some players. Those guys can home. Lindy Waters, okay, yeah,

1225
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: but the other three names, yeah, they can play. For sure,

1226
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: they can help a team. Are they good enough to

1227
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: be a playoff lock? To you?

1228
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: I think so. I think going through everything in terms

1229
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: of these teams, I do believe in a team that

1230
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: went ye forty six thirty six last year, I think

1231
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: they've got the depth and guys who are just a

1232
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 2: year older in Kuminga, Pods, TJD, Chase Jackson, Davis like,

1233
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: they're older and they should be good.

1234
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: Do you think one of those guys really has to

1235
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: level up though, you know, like really have a real

1236
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 1: breakout season going to improve? I would assume, But I mean.

1237
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: They were a top ten offense last year in their

1238
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: middle of the pack defensively, and that's with Draymond Green

1239
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: getting suspended a lot. And so I think if if you,

1240
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 2: if you, if Draymond Drink just gets suspended a little,

1241
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 2: they're even better. Like I believe in Anthony Melton, and

1242
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: I think they have enough depth in Kyle Anderson and

1243
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 2: Buddy Heel. I would lock them in because I went

1244
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: through the I went through this all. If we're dropping

1245
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: the MAVs from contenders to a flirter, I think there's

1246
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: only really eight good teams. I've just annoyed them. I'm

1247
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: I think they're in. That's all I'm saying. That's all

1248
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm already regretting the MAVs, like we can't

1249
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: put a contender into like a team that made the

1250
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: championship into the contender spot. That's all we can do.

1251
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: Whatever I do feel, I do feel bad about it,

1252
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I'm sure trying to think of

1253
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 2: the things that I will feel bad about. And it

1254
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: could be the Warriors as well. Well.

1255
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: We felt bad about them last year. We showed you

1256
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: where we put them. We had them as a Final

1257
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: four flirt. So we're knocking them down a peg here. Yeah,

1258
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: but it's definitely that's the direction we go with them.

1259
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: It's whether we go two down, two tiers down.

1260
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: It's the teams. Luckily the Clippers are bad enough to

1261
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: drop out of that. Yeah, get out of here. Luckily

1262
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: the Grizzlies. To me, that's a that's a tough one,

1263
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: A tough one. Lakers and Rockets I think are the

1264
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: other ones.

1265
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: Pelicans, Yeah, there's yeah.

1266
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: Anyways, all right, so.

1267
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: We got them at the back end of a playoff

1268
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: locks for the.

1269
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 3: Warriors potential trade team as well. They could get better

1270
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:37,479
Speaker 3: during the season.

1271
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, true, they need to.

1272
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: Okay.

1273
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 3: Houston Rockets, Oh, they made a run at the play

1274
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 3: in last season, winning a whole bunch of games, challenging

1275
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: the Warriors for the tenth seed. They ended up what

1276
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 3: forty one and forty one yep, And they're saying, we

1277
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 3: brought in Reed Shepherd and we're running it back with

1278
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 3: all of our young guys, and we're hoping we can

1279
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 3: figure out how it fit. Because they had an awesome

1280
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 3: half season from Shengoon last year and an awesome half

1281
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 3: season with Jalen Green last season, and it pretty much

1282
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 3: started for Jalen Green when shng Guon went out, how

1283
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 3: does everything fit together?

1284
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: We don't know.

1285
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: We don't know. Both of those guys obviously do for

1286
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: a contract extension as well. It's both of them. Yeah, yeah,

1287
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: It's one of these good problems to have, sort of

1288
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: like we got so much talent, but who plays and

1289
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: how does it all mesh together? And do we need

1290
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: to like consolidate some of these guys and do we

1291
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: go big game hunting or is that is that getting

1292
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: ahead of ourselves and a little over our skis like

1293
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: should we like instead of you know, just wait, just

1294
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: like we that was a good season. Let's grow on that,

1295
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: which I do think they should do. I'm higher on

1296
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: this team, and I think maybe you guys were when

1297
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: we were doing like you know, the over unders. I

1298
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: get it. It's tough, but I think they'll improve on

1299
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: last year. I think they can still go another level

1300
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: defensively under Udoka, and I love the read Shepherd edition.

1301
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: He's looked good in preseason. I know you debate how

1302
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: many minutes we'll get again all the guards, I get it,

1303
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: but won the pole.

1304
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: No minutes won the pole?

1305
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, eleven to twenty twenty should have changed the question. Really,

1306
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: I should have just asked, is Recheper gonna play enough

1307
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: minutes to win record?

1308
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yes or no?

1309
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 3: Yes?

1310
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes or no? And I don't think he is

1311
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 2: at this point because yeah, they have too much depth.

1312
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: But that being said, when you're in the Western Conference

1313
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 2: with so many good teams, I can't put them more

1314
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: than a play and hopeful that's all I can put

1315
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: them in for. There's too many good teams. There's too

1316
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: many good teams.

1317
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I don't think they're a lock. I

1318
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 3: think they're the definition of a play and hopeful they're

1319
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 3: hoping they make the play in this year. Sure that

1320
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 3: would be a step forward.

1321
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, Okay, they've got to be at the top

1322
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: of it. To me, then yeah, I think they should.

1323
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: Probably they're better than all those all those teams.

1324
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1325
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 3: I still think they're probably going to finish above five

1326
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 3: hundred this year. But I think that they can do

1327
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 3: that and still come in below there over under if

1328
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken.

1329
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't like forty three and a half.

1330
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: I think I think the Rockets will finish above. I

1331
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: know we haven't gotten to some of the teams, but

1332
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: teams that we're going to have as playoff locks, because

1333
00:59:58,640 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: there is a lot of them as we've gone through,

1334
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: the Rockets will have a better record than one or

1335
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: two of those teams. And I'm banking on like an

1336
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: injury hitting one of those teams, and that always happens

1337
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: and them just you know, falling out or something like that.

1338
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: I think the Rockets have so much depth that they

1339
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: actually benefit but we saw last year it benefits them.

1340
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: They are okay, like, all right, we got another guy

1341
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: we can plug in. So I think they're gonna be

1342
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: a good regular season game. I think they're gonna win

1343
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: a lot of games. Forty five games, speaking of.

1344
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 2: Injuries, that's a lot of games.

1345
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. The La Clippers, this is another thing that changed skeets.

1346
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 3: You said the other only thing that changed was flag seekers.

1347
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 3: I had to go find a different logo for.

1348
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: The Oh yeah, and the crosshairs, the ship in the crosshairsyah,

1349
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: let's see it there it is.

1350
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 3: The Clippers are weird. Did they win fifty games last season?

1351
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: Fifty one and thirty one, top four not compute offensive rating,

1352
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: had a great run.

1353
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 3: They were terrible when they did the James Harden trade.

1354
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 3: They lost what their first five straight and then they

1355
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 3: won a ton of games after that, looked great for

1356
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 3: a month, and then they didn't look great to end

1357
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 3: the season. Kawhi Leonard got hurt in the playoffs. Uh,

1358
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 3: he's coming in. Had to leave Team USA during the Olympics.

1359
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 3: This summer still feels like he could maybe play on

1360
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 3: opening night into a dome.

1361
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: With the halo.

1362
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 3: They call it the halo because there's no rings in

1363
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 3: this stadium. Yet where does this team end up? No,

1364
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 3: that's really why they do it.

1365
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 2: Damn it's good. I couldn't call it the ring.

1366
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: That's true, right, yea, Mercedes Benz.

1367
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm a play in hopeful for the LA Clippers.

1368
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, I think you have agree. This could be

1369
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 2: the first season in fourteen seasons where they don't have

1370
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: a winning record, right, that's weird. Like the last thirteen

1371
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 2: second seasons they've had a winning record. And if Kawhi

1372
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: is going to play, then you say, yeah, they're good.

1373
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: But he's not playing now. They're slow playing it for sure,

1374
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: And James Harden said, that's fine. We need him for

1375
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 2: the playoffs because Harden's going to do a lot. But

1376
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: in the tough West, it feels comfortable for once to

1377
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: put them in a play in tournament level because usually

1378
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 2: I'm optimistic. But I don't know, maybe they're being smart.

1379
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: We see with Chris Milton, we see with Joel Embiid

1380
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 2: teams are slow playing guys. You ain't playing now, man,

1381
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: You're sitting there for the preseason. That's what they're doing.

1382
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: And he'll play later in the season. But I don't know.

1383
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the difference to me is between conferences. Those guys

1384
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: can do it. I think in the Eastern Conference, I

1385
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: don't think you're like too concerned about where you fall

1386
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,919
Speaker 1: or you end up. In the West, as we've gone

1387
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: through a million times, like you could slow play an

1388
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: injury to like a Kawi Leonard or whatever, and you

1389
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: could miss the playoffs. Yeah, maybe not even make the

1390
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: play in. With the Rockets going five hundred last year,

1391
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: not even getting in there, they were still like five

1392
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: games behind the actually weren't even all that close in

1393
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: the end, So playing hopeful though. Yeah, the guy's play,

1394
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: I mean, how much Houston Harden do we get? Can

1395
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: he recapture that all the back? Yeah? They added Derek

1396
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: Jones Junior, who we just talked up. Obviously, what he

1397
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: did for the MAVs, but too still has it can

1398
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: contribute who else Chris Dunne. I guess they're taking a

1399
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: flyer on Kevin porton JUNR. Mobamba. I thinks they're guys,

1400
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, guys, you know. But yeah, and a.

1401
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: Home court advantage. They got a new arena. Yeah, and

1402
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: they don't have to play during the day anymore. That's

1403
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 2: an advantage.

1404
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,479
Speaker 3: They know more about it, the ins and the outs

1405
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 3: of the bowels.

1406
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 2: No, I think it's playing during the day that sucks

1407
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 2: because just being in LA. We're going to add that

1408
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: part at the second part because I think that's more important.

1409
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 3: Interesting.

1410
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think they're just gonna have a better record

1411
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: at home because they don't have to play all these

1412
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: matinee games that they used to have to because they.

1413
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 3: Hated but wouldn't theoretically the other team hate it too. Yeah,

1414
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 3: and they're not from that time zone, so it's even

1415
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 3: earlier for them.

1416
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: Nobody likes it.

1417
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: You're ready, you're on the road.

1418
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 3: It's actually later for them. Noon start West Coast will

1419
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 3: be three o'clock start for our New York team. So

1420
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 3: it is a big disadvantage. They're not going to have

1421
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 3: any excuses. Are they better or worse than the Rockets?

1422
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 3: That's my only question.

1423
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 2: They were down double digits in every afternoon game they

1424
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,439
Speaker 2: played last year. That's bad.

1425
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 3: Seriously, Yeah, they end up that's stupid. That's They ended up.

1426
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 2: Five and five in those ten games, but they were

1427
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 2: down digits. So now it's a new arena. You've got

1428
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 2: a halo.

1429
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: You got a halo, got a wall, got every shitter

1430
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 1: imagine chargers. You want a T shirt? Hey, what's your seat?

1431
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah we can fire that right at you. Yeah, got

1432
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: balmer cam. I mean yeah, all the bells and whistles.

1433
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 3: And they have a full balmer cam. You just watched

1434
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 3: the Bamber broad They do respect reminum legs.

1435
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: I got a worse than the Rockets, But I don't know.

1436
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: Maybe you guys, you're always more of a clippery.

1437
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 3: I have zero belief ever, literally ever, I never once

1438
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: thought they were going to do good.

1439
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 2: Okay, put them actually when they had Chris Paula. They

1440
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: are better than all.

1441
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: Those Eastern Conference teams, that's for sure.

1442
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, certainly the Los Angeles Lakers. Wow, they've been

1443
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 3: in the plane a lot. Yeah, they got Brownie James,

1444
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 3: they got Dalton Connects, they got JJ Reddick, they got

1445
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 3: Christian Kooka. Oh is anything I'm saying changing your mind

1446
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 3: on what the Lakers did last season compared to this season.

1447
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: No, man, They're just like definition of like an average

1448
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: team both sides of the ball. Sort of their record

1449
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: a little, you know, forty seven wins is no joke,

1450
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: but coming in through the play and then losing in

1451
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: the first round once again to the Nuggets. Jamal Murray

1452
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: horrible first round, but hey, hit the shots when it matters, right.

1453
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: I just think the Lakers need to make I mean

1454
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: look to have a realistic championship shot in the final years,

1455
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: the twilight years of Lebron with Ad still playing at

1456
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: his level, they have to make a move. I don't

1457
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: know what it is. I don't know who it is,

1458
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: but it ain't. They ain't winning it with this team,

1459
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: So I guess I have them as a plane. Are

1460
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: they better than the Warriors? Is all it comes down

1461
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: to to me.

1462
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 3: Do you see in like very similar teams to me?

1463
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 3: The Warriors and the Lakers. We've changed the crews around them,

1464
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 3: and they've got one really great superstar Hall of Famer

1465
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 3: and then another great Hall of Famer as well. I

1466
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, I think that the Warriors and

1467
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 3: the Lakers are basically the equivalent this season.

1468
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: Do you want to put them on the end of

1469
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: the playoff locks?

1470
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 2: You want to lock them? I don't.

1471
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: I don't really want to lock them.

1472
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have more faith in the Warriors for some reason.

1473
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 2: But then you start thinking about JJ Reddick is going

1474
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 2: to play the best players right off the get go,

1475
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 2: which didn't happen last year with Darvinham. They were gonna

1476
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 2: start ruy Atramar. He was hurt last year, so maybe

1477
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. But at the same time, there's

1478
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 2: guys who are already injured, and I think guys who

1479
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 2: were going to add a lot of energy to that team,

1480
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: like Jared Vanderbilt, and so I have him ranked a

1481
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: little bit lower than the Warriors, but they are so similar.

1482
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 2: I do agree because they were extremely healthy last year.

1483
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 2: When you think about I know, these role guys like

1484
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 2: Gavins Vanderbilt were not, but their superstars were. I got

1485
01:06:58,640 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 2: more faith in the Wars.

1486
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 3: But slotting, we're putting them into play in hopefuls.

1487
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 2: I think that's the move.

1488
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll generate discussion online. We're going to start a dialogue.

1489
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: That's a wild that's a good poll though, like who

1490
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: will finish with a better record or you know whatever

1491
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: go further or whatever? Warriors or Lakers. That's that's that's tough, man.

1492
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, got Hornets and Bulls in the other conference. We

1493
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 2: got Warriors and Lakers.

1494
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, even Rockets.

1495
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah the Rockets. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I got the Warriors.

1496
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: The Rockets will enter. You think the Rockets have a

1497
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: better record than the Golden State Warriors and the Los

1498
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 2: Angeles Lakers.

1499
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: I think they'll have a better record than one of

1500
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: those teams. One, yeah, flip a coin as to which one?

1501
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 2: Interesting, I think the Warriors will have the best record

1502
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 2: of the three. Wait, so wait, you got Rockets. Yeah,

1503
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 2: you got Warriors, Warriors.

1504
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 3: With the Lakers?

1505
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1506
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 3: Sure, Okay, who was getting that ninth seed?

1507
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah right right?

1508
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 3: Kind of what it comes down to. The Memphis Grizzlies

1509
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 3: throwout last season. It didn't really happen.

1510
01:07:58,360 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: Chuck it out.

1511
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 3: Yeah while they went twenty five games, yeah to seven

1512
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 3: twenty seven games. Okay, that was nine games of Jahn Morant.

1513
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 3: Everybody else got hurt on this team, literally every They.

1514
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: Had the worst offensive raigning in the league.

1515
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thirtieth played the most players ever for a season,

1516
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 2: thirty three players. Right, it's a lot.

1517
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 3: They played so many guys that Gigi Jackson and Vince

1518
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 3: Williams Junior became the household names. And Scottie Pippen Junior.

1519
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 3: But that's just because we already knew his name.

1520
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 1: Spelled differently, though spelled differently, spelled the way it was

1521
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: originally supposed to be spelled.

1522
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 3: Are you locking in the Grizzlies as a playoff team

1523
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 3: or is that a little bit of a healthy bump?

1524
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 3: I mean that would be twenty more wins seems feasible

1525
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 3: considering their injury problems last season. But when the Grizzlies

1526
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 3: were a top two seed in the Western Conference, the

1527
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 3: Western Conference wasn't quite as strong as it was, or

1528
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 3: is it going to be this season? I don't know.

1529
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: This is the wildest of wild card teams, Yes it is.

1530
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 2: I am buying in at this point. I think yes.

1531
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 2: Of course. A couple of years ago the John Morant

1532
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 2: Jared Jackson junior teams were fantastic, but the West is

1533
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 2: tough for as you said, and the injuries I don't

1534
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 2: think are fake like I think they could happen again

1535
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 2: because they already have in a couple of other guys

1536
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 2: and in the role players, the names that you said

1537
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 2: we'd learned of last year, they're already hurt.

1538
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: So Marcus Smart barely played it all last year too, right.

1539
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 2: No, definitely, and he's getting older and he has thrown

1540
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 2: his body around and he's like, you know what a

1541
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,879
Speaker 2: guy i'd think of when you say like TIB's overplays.

1542
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 2: Guys like Marcus Smart. He played hard throughout his career.

1543
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 2: So I do think that's potentially a problem. There are

1544
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: a lot of guys. Desmond Baine missed half the season

1545
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 2: last year. The guy who played the most was sixty

1546
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 2: six games, and now Jared Jackson Junior did and maybe

1547
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 2: they sat him for a few extra just because. But

1548
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: there's a lot of injuries there. So that combined with

1549
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: the Western Conference and out tough it is, I'm fine

1550
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 2: just putting them in the playing hopefuls, which is that tough.

1551
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: Tough, But team's got to be down there.

1552
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's got to be four teams in the playing Yeah.

1553
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 3: I kind of think you're right, because I mean you're

1554
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 3: talking about Marcus Smart. He's their best wing player. They

1555
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 3: have no other wings on this team.

1556
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: No, not really. I mean, being is obviously a score.

1557
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's small and he's got shorter arms than me,

1558
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 3: Marcus flying Flying Man.

1559
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: Those are short arms, like you went like this, like.

1560
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 3: Other tiny arms. Man does have a big wings fan

1561
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 3: t Rex arms the raptor.

1562
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 2: That's a penguin. That looks like a penguin to me,

1563
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 2: that is a penguin.

1564
01:10:53,680 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 3: Those are just short arms, t Rex. And if they're sticking, obviously,

1565
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 3: I mean I think they should be a playoff lock.

1566
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 3: But I think play and hopeful is probably about right.

1567
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: You almost got to add the Grizzlies to that poll

1568
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: that we just had, you know, hypothetically talking out who

1569
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: is going to be the best team of Warriors, Lakers, Rockets,

1570
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: and Grizzlies in the regular season wins. Okay, that's tough.

1571
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, they don't hold it up.

1572
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 3: Early voting starts in Atlanta today, am I right? Today?

1573
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 3: October fifteenth, tomormorrow, okay, tomorrow, I'll be early voting, all right.

1574
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, never you go on the first day of early

1575
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 2: voting because everybody's like, oh yeah, I can't wait to vote.

1576
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:42,719
Speaker 3: That's really busy, kind of counterproductive. Actually, Thursday or second day.

1577
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: Of early voting. Okay, that's what I've heard.

1578
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 3: The Minnesota Timberwolves. They made a conference finals last year. Yeah,

1579
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 3: Carl Anthony Towns, he's gone. Julius Randall, he's in Dante DiVincenzo.

1580
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 3: He's also in. Rob Dillingham is here. My dad told

1581
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 3: me Terrence Shannon Junior dark Horse Rookie of the Year pick.

1582
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 3: That's a nice one.

1583
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 2: Steve Deep cuts Steve Steve.

1584
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 3: Cuts Deep Final four flirt for the timber Wolves. Or

1585
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 3: are you saying last year not so much of Fluke

1586
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards. He's getting better see in the finals.

1587
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 2: I'm going that route. I'm saying that they are a contender.

1588
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 2: I think with the way the Western Conference is, and

1589
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: again I already regret not putting the MAVs in this

1590
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 2: status as a contender, but I think there's going to

1591
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 2: be when you look at it. I think they are

1592
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 2: a decent amount of contenders in the Western Conference that

1593
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 2: are real, but you can't say they are the one

1594
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,719
Speaker 2: like the Boston Celtics. I think the MAVs, Wolves, Nuggets,

1595
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 2: and Thunder could be there. But are you sold on

1596
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 2: one of them making it through? No? So I think

1597
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 2: I don't I would jump, I would sort of jumble

1598
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 2: them all in together. But the Wolves, Yeah, I think

1599
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 2: the it does matter that Anthony Edwards is. He's a

1600
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 2: leader and I think it's saying already that him and

1601
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 2: Julius Raandler. But I think their bodes well. I think

1602
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 2: they they're into it. They're into it.

1603
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: How much can Julius, Randal, Dante DiVincenzo, you know, more

1604
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: nasried more from some of their you know, young guys

1605
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: and Dillingham and stuff like that boost their offense because

1606
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: they're the best defensive team in the league. Maybe they're

1607
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: don't finish number one overall, but you'd be shocked if

1608
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 1: they're not top five. If Rudy Gobert is playing in

1609
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: McDaniels and the guys they have, So that's that's the

1610
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,799
Speaker 1: cue to me. And then of course matchups in the postseason.

1611
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: But they're gonna be an elite team. Does Anthony Edwards

1612
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: go next level? I mean, this guy's already at what

1613
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 1: second team all NBA? So is he trying to knock

1614
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 1: off Sga or Luca. I know there's no positions anymore,

1615
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: but like to get his way into Like, Wow, that

1616
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: guy's a top five player, Like, is he already there?

1617
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1618
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: Title contender. It's tough for me to go. I have

1619
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: to almost put them where we have the Knicks because

1620
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: they change their team. Carl Anthony Towns was pretty damn

1621
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: important to that team as much as you like at

1622
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: times want to like pull your hair out when he

1623
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,719
Speaker 1: would get his second foul early, but like.

1624
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: And he would sit and other guys had to perform.

1625
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 2: So you're asking, basically, is nas Red, Dante Devincenzo and

1626
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 2: Julius Randall these guys who are going to have to

1627
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: play more to fill in what Carl Anthony Towns was?

1628
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 2: Are they good enough?

1629
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 1: And they started the question to me, So I got

1630
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: him as a final four flirt at the top of

1631
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:28,520
Speaker 1: the list.

1632
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,719
Speaker 3: The tippy top, ahead of the Knicks. Yeah, I'm fine

1633
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 3: with that. I also think they're a final four flirt.

1634
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 3: I don't really believe a team that starts go Bar

1635
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,759
Speaker 3: and Randall can win the championship. That's not a front

1636
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 3: court that wins a championship. But I think they got

1637
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 3: a chance. Okay, the New Orleans Pelicans, this is a

1638
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 3: tough team to figure out because they're telling me Herb

1639
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 3: Jones is starting at center.

1640
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 2: I don't believe you. Yeah, I don't believe that. Willie

1641
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 2: Green stay up lying to your face.

1642
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe they'll call him the five. But guess what,

1643
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 3: Herb Jones the raising is such a good defender. It's

1644
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 3: because he's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.

1645
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 3: So how you're having him guard the rim, I don't

1646
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 3: know about that. I just think this is a team

1647
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 3: that's gonna look different at the end of the season

1648
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 3: as the beginning of the season. I think the smart

1649
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 3: thing to do is probably play and hopeful, but talent wise,

1650
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:18,799
Speaker 3: they could be better than the Warriors.

1651
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, forty nine and thirty three last year,

1652
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, put up a fight in the first round.

1653
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: They got sweat, but there were some really early close games.

1654
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: At least the first one.

1655
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 3: They lose that in overtime, so maybe that was there's

1656
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 3: one close game.

1657
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think surprisingly they were like a really

1658
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: good defensive team last year and now they bring into

1659
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: Jean Tae Murray. I know he's not like a lockdown

1660
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 1: defender and it's probably overblown actually what he can give

1661
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: you on that end, But like upgrade there, Zion looks

1662
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: like a beast it's really to me, like, how are

1663
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 1: all parties going to handle this brandon ingram trade rumor

1664
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: and situation? Like, I mean, not only him and does

1665
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: it affect him at all, but the rest of the

1666
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: team and obviously the trickle down effect on minute and

1667
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: stuff like that. That's it's like a bit of a

1668
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 1: weird cloud hanging over them. But maybe they come out

1669
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: of the gates super hot and it doesn't matter, and

1670
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: it's like everyone's like, Oh, we're good. Let's just roll

1671
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: with it. We'll worry about whether or not we pay

1672
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: them down the line. Let's just get Zion into a

1673
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: playoff series for the first time in his career. But

1674
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if they're better than the Warriors.

1675
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 2: I don't see either because it may take a little

1676
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 2: time to get right. I think that's fair to say.

1677
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I know.

1678
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 2: The Golden State Warriors have a bunch of new players,

1679
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 2: but I just feel like they're going to run a

1680
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 2: lot of the same stuff Steve Kur wants to run.

1681
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 2: I think they'll be better right from the get go.

1682
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 2: And so that hurts in this Western Conference, especially because

1683
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 2: there's just so many good teams. So so you.

1684
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: See the Pels coming out of the gate a little

1685
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: slow because if they got to Jonte and I don't.

1686
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: They don't know who they are. They're going to start

1687
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 2: Herb Jones at center. They were a great defensive team.

1688
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 2: You got to start a center to be a great

1689
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 2: defensive team.

1690
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,799
Speaker 3: And the center's on the Wizards and the Hawks.

1691
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would rather play Daniel Tice ricks eight. Yeah,

1692
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 2: but at least I still play her Jones at that point.

1693
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 3: They should do a trade. I mean they should have

1694
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 3: done a trade this summer.

1695
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still believe in Tice. They need Yes, they

1696
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 2: need a center, that's for sure. I can't believe Daniel

1697
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 2: Tye is six eight, but uh yeah, he played plays

1698
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 2: he plays a little larger. They just checked it. I did.

1699
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like it, yeah, because he played center

1700
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 2: for Germany guards guys from the perimeter on. But yeah,

1701
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 2: it is an interesting one. I guess they're going to

1702
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 2: try Herb Jones at center. But nobody knows what this

1703
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: team is as we say, as we sit here, so

1704
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 2: I think it's fairly easy to put them in. I'm

1705
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 2: locking I would lock them in, but they got a

1706
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 2: lot of guys. They just have too much talent, not

1707
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 2: too even though it's gonna take them a little while.

1708
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: It's to me, it's like, how much do you believe

1709
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: in Zion playing awesome? Like he could really take the

1710
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: jump this year, sort of into like you start including

1711
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: him in the conversation of like one of the better

1712
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: players in the league. I think, I think we're there,

1713
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: and I don't want to drink anything. I'll knock on

1714
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: wood here that doesn't get injured.

1715
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 2: But so if he's kicking it, yeah, yeah, there's playoff.

1716
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: They could win two playoff series and be a Final

1717
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 2: four flirt. I mean, if he's locking it, if he

1718
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 2: is very much a different player, I can't go that far. No,

1719
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put him there now, but I just mean

1720
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 2: when I debated it, I definitely thought about that.

1721
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 3: All right, there'll be a playoff lock, Ok, yeah, why

1722
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 3: not at the end. It's good. Looks interesting. People like

1723
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 3: the oh the Pelicans a lock you crazy thing, Daniel

1724
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 3: Tyson's they're starting that. What people will say to us,

1725
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 3: We'll say, but yeah, but Zion, Yeah, he's gonna be

1726
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 3: healthy this year. He's gonna make it to the playoffs.

1727
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: He did lose some defensive minded guys didn't they even

1728
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: like the Larry Nance sort of contributed.

1729
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 2: It's such a weird thing.

1730
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 3: Last year it's like if they played Valentiunas, they got

1731
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 3: all the rebounds but couldn't defend. But if they played

1732
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,759
Speaker 3: Larry Nance Junior, they played defense and couldn't get a rebounds. Yeah,

1733
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 3: so now they decided, you know what we're doing, neither

1734
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 3: get out of here. Jones is starting. We don't want

1735
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,600
Speaker 3: to play a wild we don't want to guard the

1736
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 3: rim or rebound. We got Daniel Tice that two seasons ago.

1737
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: Maybe they have that move in them, that Ingram move

1738
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: that they got to move.

1739
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 3: They got to move to make no doubt about it. Okay,

1740
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 3: see Thunder.

1741
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 2: Are you willing to call them a title contender? Yes,

1742
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 2: first seed in.

1743
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,480
Speaker 3: The Western Conference last year, they got this aa Hartenstein,

1744
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 3: they got Alex Caruso, Josh Giddy is gone, they've won

1745
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 3: one playoff series together.

1746
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 2: That's right. But I think they're a title contender as well.

1747
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,759
Speaker 1: If you think they're gonna win or flirt with sixty wins,

1748
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: And I think once you hit sixty wins status in

1749
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: either conference, you're you're legit, or you at least have

1750
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: a chance to go all the way. So yeah, and

1751
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 1: I think they will, and I think they're a title contender.

1752
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 2: I agree them there, Yeah, they got better and I think,

1753
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 2: say Jaylen Williams chet Holmgren will take another step. And

1754
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:08,799
Speaker 2: so yes, I'm fine and I'm fine having more title

1755
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 2: contenders in the West than you guys tend to be.

1756
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 2: I assume, because who are we putting there now?

1757
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: If we've got I think Trey says the three teams,

1758
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 1: and my gut says he's not putting the Spurs or Blazers.

1759
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 2: Or whatever saying, okay sees a guaranteed finals team if

1760
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 2: they're the only title contender.

1761
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 3: Well, the Denver Nuggets are also up there.

1762
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 2: Oh they are, Yes, So that's your conference final.

1763
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 3: No, No, it depends on It depends on the bracket.

1764
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 2: It all depends on the bracket.

1765
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 3: But I do think that those, for me are the

1766
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 3: three teams.

1767
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 2: One of those three teams will win.

1768
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 3: The championship this year.

1769
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 1: That's a good way to put it. That's a good

1770
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: way to put it.

1771
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 2: Who will the Okay, who will this?

1772
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: Well, those guys ask you both, but I guess it's

1773
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: sort of starting lineup for the Oklahoma City Thunder and

1774
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna then ask who'll be closing, and I

1775
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: know that might be dependent on who they're playing. What

1776
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,919
Speaker 1: does it look like though, just talk it out Sga obviously,

1777
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: J Dubb and Chet Holmgren. Those are your three. I think,

1778
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, both starting a game and ending a game.

1779
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: Dort starting over Caruso. I mean he's been their starter.

1780
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 2: I think Dort is a lock. And then the question

1781
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 2: is depending on who Darnstein or Carusoe right right right

1782
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 2: right to me, Dirt, you don't think Dort's gonna start.

1783
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: I think Dor's gonna start. I think he's deserving to

1784
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: at least continue to start for sure on a fifty

1785
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: seven win team. And he's, like you know, was at

1786
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: times obviously right there with Caruso as one of the

1787
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 1: best defense. We saw what he doing with Brandon Ingram,

1788
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, put him in the the dort Er chamber

1789
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: there for a couple of games. So I'm just curious, like, yeah, well,

1790
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 1: Hartenstein and Crusoe and they have shooters, obviously.

1791
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 2: I think it's I think Ruso will come off the bench.

1792
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 3: They're pretty small.

1793
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 2: They start Caruso and Dort. Yeah, that's what he's there for.

1794
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 3: Dort's not as big, yeah, tall as you maybe I

1795
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 3: think broad. He's broad, yeah, shaped like a refrigerator. The

1796
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 3: refrigerator Lou Dorton. We haven't used that nickname for a while.

1797
01:21:58,720 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 2: Time to bring it back.

1798
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 3: The Phoenix is I think we had them in the

1799
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 3: title contender tier last year. They got swept in the

1800
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 3: first round of the playoffs. They're better this year. I

1801
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 3: have to think they got two of the best backup

1802
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 3: point guards in the league.

1803
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 2: One one's probably gonna start.

1804
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 3: They drafted some guys Ryan Dunn who just had a

1805
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 3: nice preseason game. Oh so Igodoro who maybe would get

1806
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 3: some minutes if Nurkic were to go down. Grayson Allen

1807
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 3: has big old biceps this year. He's jacked after being

1808
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 3: a great three points shooter for this team. He's probably

1809
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 3: coming off the bench now, assuming that Tias Jones is

1810
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:32,600
Speaker 3: going to start, because I think that was part of

1811
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 3: the reason he signed with the Suns, right to getting

1812
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 3: a starting job. Cool so the Phoenix Suns, you got

1813
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 3: him a playoff lock. You gotta a final four flirt.

1814
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 3: You're feeling crazy, man. Were the Olympics that influential to

1815
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 3: use skeets? They were to me, the Booker doing it all.

1816
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:51,759
Speaker 1: I am always a sucker for the Suns and the Kinks.

1817
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I always tuck myself into.

1818
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 2: It's the purple.

1819
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the purple, the color of royalty. So like were

1820
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:05,959
Speaker 1: we did. We were a year off last year.

1821
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 2: You're too early?

1822
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and it went poorly and obviously vocals

1823
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: out but nobody could stay healthy, and like, like, okay,

1824
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: the natural progression will be to like, we'll bump them

1825
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 1: down here, We'll play it safe. That's what I'm saying.

1826
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: We'll just play it safe, put them in the playoff lock,

1827
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 1: put them in the middle somewhere. But I say, why

1828
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: don't we get balls? Why don't we believe and keep

1829
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: them there as a Final four flirt? Because this team

1830
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: is good.

1831
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine doing that.

1832
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 3: I like a flirt too, I'm fine.

1833
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought that was going to take a.

1834
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 3: Last year. I think they were better than you remember.

1835
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 3: You know, it felt like they never had Beale, Durant

1836
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 3: or Booker play together, even though they all played like

1837
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 3: a significant amount of games. I think they played fifty

1838
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 3: games basically together, and when they were together, they were

1839
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 3: pretty solid. But the thing with the Suns, especially last season,

1840
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 3: was they were so shallow that everybody said, what if

1841
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 3: these guys get hurt, it's not going to go well.

1842
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 3: These guys all got hurt and it didn't go well.

1843
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 3: They never had a chance to really bond from a

1844
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 3: chemistry standpoint and figure out how to play together. So

1845
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 3: you had Beale just standing in the corner and waiting,

1846
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 3: especially come playoff time. He seemed like he just didn't

1847
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 3: really know where to be for this team. I have

1848
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 3: to assume that they're a little bit more bought into

1849
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 3: Mike Budenholzer. And I only say that because I heard

1850
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 3: Kendrick Perkins saying that Kevin Durant was really upset with

1851
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 3: Frank Vogel last year. You didn't hear that at all

1852
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 3: during the season, but it makes you think maybe some

1853
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 3: stuff was going on behind the scenes. If that's ironed out.

1854
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 3: Budenholzer is a good coach, a good offensive coach. He's

1855
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 3: going to get this team shooting more threes. I think there.

1856
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: I like him as a Final four flirt. Okay, yeah,

1857
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm totally fine with that. There are going to be

1858
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 2: a better regular season team. I think Bradley Beal will

1859
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 2: be a better player in the postseason because he doesn't

1860
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 2: have to guard the best player on the other side

1861
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 2: and be point guard. Like they will be better. Tys

1862
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 2: Jones just bring up the ball. Okay, let Booker Durant

1863
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 2: and Beale shoot it. I'll go. Actually, I should let

1864
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 2: me reorder those last names, Booker and Durant BBD. I

1865
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 2: like that Bell BIV Devot, just just to just a

1866
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 2: reference Bell BIV Devote. But yes, I think I think

1867
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 2: you can. I think you can say this team can

1868
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 2: win two playoff series. Yeah, I know, I know it's early.

1869
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 2: I know it's early after what happened last year that

1870
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 2: they didn't know where to go on offense. They literally

1871
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 2: were just standing there on the offensive end. They didn't

1872
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: know what to do.

1873
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 1: They had a very similar season to sort of the

1874
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 1: Bucks in the Eastern Conference. Like you're sort of shocked

1875
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: when you say they won forty nine games. Wow, well yeah,

1876
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: that's actually not bad. But obviously they both had really

1877
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: pretty spectacular sort of flame outs in the first round

1878
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: different reasons. I get that with Gianness being injured, But yeah,

1879
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: I believe I'm a bud believer. Coach of the Year

1880
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: Tyas Jones, Monty Morris never turned the ball over. And

1881
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 1: can their defense when the jumpers aren't falling because they

1882
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: love a two point shot, can it keep them in games?

1883
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: Can it improve a little bit? You know they were

1884
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: thirteenth overall. It's actually not brutal under Vogel. They have

1885
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: to be around that sort of top ten mark. They

1886
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: don't have to be the best, but they got to

1887
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 1: be competent enough.

1888
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 3: We'll see you're talking offensively, no often, No, I'm talking defense.

1889
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 2: What were they on offense? Tenth?

1890
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 3: They should be higher than tenth.

1891
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, tenth on offense, thirteenth on defense.

1892
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, this team should be in the top five offensively.

1893
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 3: They got Kevin Durant and Devin Booker. That's a great

1894
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 3: start for thirty a game exactly. Yeah, they should be

1895
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 3: better on both sides of the ball. They shouldn't get

1896
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 3: a new coach this season.

1897
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: Hey, random thinking about the Suns. Just a little random

1898
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: fact for you guys. Kevin Durant needs one thousand and

1899
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: seventy six points to eclipse thirty thousand in his career.

1900
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: He would become just the eighth player in NBA history

1901
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: to do so.

1902
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 2: Oh, he's going to do that.

1903
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,879
Speaker 1: He'll probably do it by late January, maybe early February

1904
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 1: fifty he stays healthy, joining lebron Kareem, Karl Alone, Kobe, Jordan, Dirk,

1905
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: and Will. So Katie will very likely be joining the

1906
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:51,719
Speaker 1: thirty thousand point club.

1907
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.

1908
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: Excellent points are cool.

1909
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 3: Love points number one favorite stat.

1910
01:26:58,120 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: Wow.

1911
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, one thing you brought up, Trey when we're doing

1912
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 2: the Western Conference previous you said, us if Nurkic may

1913
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 2: not be healthy all year, and I think that plays

1914
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 2: a part. You said, Hey, this this team should get

1915
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 2: a new should have got a new coach to be

1916
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 2: a better offensive team. Vogel just somehow got use of Nrkitchen.

1917
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 2: Everybody else played great defense. He did good at that.

1918
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 3: He's a good defensive coach.

1919
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they got that. But use of narkis

1920
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,759
Speaker 2: miss this time too. He didn't last year. So who's

1921
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 2: it gonna be their big man, you know, being able

1922
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 2: to do a lot. If you like the plumb he will, yeah, he'll.

1923
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 3: Hey, if you like Daniel Tye, you gotta like Mason Plumbley.

1924
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a rule.

1925
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 3: There are both backup centers. Just imagine these guys going

1926
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 3: at it in practice to see who can back up he.

1927
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 2: Beats the Zubats.

1928
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 3: Give me, give me Tice back in legendary moments. How

1929
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 3: long do you think a game of one on one

1930
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 3: between Daniel Tye and Mason Plumley would take forty minutes playing?

1931
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you undervalue daniel Tyse's offense of ability.

1932
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 3: Oh Toumbly would cook them.

1933
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, probably all spins and stuff like that.

1934
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,480
Speaker 2: Got some good questions, We got some good.

1935
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 3: It would take a while. That's an awesome matchup, plumb

1936
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 3: versus Tice one on one. We're doing it next time.

1937
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 3: We played NBA two kicks.

1938
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 1: Actually, Plumbley, unlike Twyce, is actually a big guy, isn't he.

1939
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:20,759
Speaker 3: Yes, he's like taller.

1940
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 1: I don't know six.

1941
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:26,679
Speaker 2: The other guy plays like a wing stop.

1942
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 3: That The Portland trail Blazers poor season. They traded Malcolm Brogden,

1943
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 3: he gone, Danny Abdia he's here. They also drafted Donovan Klinging. Yeah,

1944
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 3: you have to imagine the defense will be better for

1945
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 3: the Portland trail Blazers. But I think they're going to

1946
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 3: be our first Western Conference representative in the flag seeking.

1947
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 1: Wow, we don't have one down there yet. Yeah, they

1948
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: guy at twenty one and sixty one last year. How

1949
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: much do they improve if any of this year? Yeah, Like,

1950
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think anybody this season winning ten

1951
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 1: more games and they won last year in the loaded West.

1952
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 3: Sod be tough.

1953
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I just want to see can Scoot Henderson

1954
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: start this season like he ended last year? And it

1955
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: was super per small sample sized theater, but he looked

1956
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 1: really good in April eight Hey, okay, in seven games

1957
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: in April, you average basically twenty ten three and a

1958
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: half boards, and he shot forty two percent from three.

1959
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: This is Scoot Henderson.

1960
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 3: You know that's good almost ten percent of the season, right,

1961
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 3: You'm trying to help.

1962
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, So then Scoot, you know, start a lot stronger

1963
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: than he started last year.

1964
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wish it was March too, because you start

1965
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 2: thinking about those games. You know a lot of times

1966
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 2: guys who don't end up having great careers were oh yeah,

1967
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 2: they're they're amazing.

1968
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 3: When it was all said.

1969
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 2: Done, Walter, he's not ready to write off.

1970
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:54,440
Speaker 3: Baby.

1971
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeahs sixty two games this guy.

1972
01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really weird to see him. Immediately at

1973
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 2: his rookie season, Chounsa Bill said you're the starter, and

1974
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,719
Speaker 2: that hurt and yeah, that hurt things in the flow,

1975
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 2: and he was like the number one guy. Yep, but

1976
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 2: you'd hope it would be better.

1977
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 1: That's right. He did start the first five games, then

1978
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: he was out with injury, and then when he came back,

1979
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,640
Speaker 1: he was coming off the bench for a majority of it,

1980
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 1: and then he got back to the starting role. But yeah, uh, anyway, Look,

1981
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna be one of the worst teams in the Western.

1982
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 2: Conference, not a question. But it will be a fun

1983
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 2: mess to watch. I think just because there are so

1984
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:29,719
Speaker 2: many guys.

1985
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got too many guys for me. I think

1986
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 3: they need to make some moves here. We need to see.

1987
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 3: Simons should probably go, Jeremy Grant should probably go. I

1988
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 3: just think that they are better used on another team,

1989
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 3: And there are so many young guys on the Trailblazers,

1990
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 3: like Scoot needs an opportunity to see if he's actually

1991
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 3: good or bad. But that's kind of the case with

1992
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 3: Shade and Sharp as well, and they're both behind Anthony Simons.

1993
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 3: There are ways to get them all in the court

1994
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 3: at the same time, but you would like to see

1995
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 3: what Scoot and Sharper completely capable of. Like Klon's gonna

1996
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 3: have to play, and that's they want to be better

1997
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 3: on defense. But that means DeAndre Ayton is playing less minutes.

1998
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:05,639
Speaker 3: I don't really think they could trade him right now,

1999
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 3: So Grant makes more sense, Simon's makes more sense, and

2000
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 3: if those two go out, the team gets even worse.

2001
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,679
Speaker 1: Well, you were talking about the Pelicans. They need a center, right, Yes,

2002
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 1: Blazers have a lot of centers, if you know, if

2003
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 1: they're especially if they're leaning into Klingon being their big

2004
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: guy for the future. Okay, a couple of the big

2005
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 1: guys there. I know Robert Williams, I know Time Lord's

2006
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,759
Speaker 1: never healthy. That's an issue. But hey, Pelicans and Blazers

2007
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 1: have done a trade before.

2008
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, to do it again, Yeah, it'd be hard to

2009
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 2: match all that money that Aton makes with the way

2010
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 2: that the Suns has said has already paid so many

2011
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 2: guys there. I don't think the numbers would work. I

2012
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 2: don't know for sure with the Suns.

2013
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:43,679
Speaker 1: Even about the Pelicans.

2014
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 2: Oh, whoa, I've already gone to the Suns.

2015
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 3: I think probably did write the first check though, for

2016
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 3: DeAndre Ayton's big tun.

2017
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I apologize. Yeah, the Pelicans definitely need

2018
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 2: a center. I do like what Portland is starting to

2019
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 2: do by starting to look like, okay, it's the future thing.

2020
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 2: Now we got Danny Avidia here. It's not like we're

2021
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 2: trying to win right now, but maybe a few years

2022
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 2: down the road. So I do think the Simons and

2023
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 2: Grant trades are the corner that's a possibility. Yeah, more

2024
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 2: so than Ayton probably, But all right, Kleon's there. Kleon's

2025
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 2: got to play one day. There'll be the backup, I

2026
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 2: guess because Robert Williams is always here.

2027
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 1: Three teams left.

2028
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 3: Sacramento Kings. Are they going to be a play and

2029
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 3: hopeful or a playoff lock? We mentioned they were in

2030
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 3: the play in tournament last year? They were the tenth seed?

2031
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 3: Or are they the ninth seed? My notes are down. Nonetheless,

2032
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 3: they were the third seed the year prior, even though

2033
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 3: they won basically the same amount of games.

2034
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. They smacked the Warriors in the play in and.

2035
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 1: Then lost to the Pels. Yeah, so they were the Yeah,

2036
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 1: they were the tenths. Were they a home team in

2037
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 1: that game against the Warriors, I can't remember. They crushed them,

2038
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.

2039
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 2: They crushed them.

2040
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they lost.

2041
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 2: And they added Tom Rosen DeRozan.

2042
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 1: You know, Jordan McLaughlin. They lose Harrison Barnes is the

2043
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: main guy, so they lost a bunch of other Davion

2044
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 1: Mitchell stuff like that, other pieces, but out of their core,

2045
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: the same team just in there.

2046
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 2: And they've won forty eight and forty six wins the

2047
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 2: last two seasons, so they're a solid team. And you

2048
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 2: had Jamar de Rosen. They seemingly learn how to play

2049
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 2: defense last year after being a really good offensive team,

2050
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 2: so maybe they put it all together this year. I

2051
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 2: know people are questioning their defense, but it's hard to

2052
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 2: say that they're going to lose it more games than

2053
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 2: they did last Like, they are still in that realm

2054
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 2: of forty six to forty seven forty eight nine win team.

2055
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 2: So does that equal a lock in the Western Conference?

2056
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 2: I think so. I think it's a lock for me.

2057
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 1: Can the Kings ever sniff a top ten defense? They

2058
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 1: were fourteenth last year, so they were above average, just

2059
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 1: above average. They have not finished in the top ten

2060
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 1: on defense since two to three.

2061
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 2: Good Kings Team's good.

2062
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,560
Speaker 1: Kings team, good right good. They were second in the

2063
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 1: league on defense. There were one game away from the

2064
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: conference finals that year. But it's been a very long time.

2065
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 3: Just top ten, not even top five, not even the best.

2066
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: Just be confident on that end. Help your offense win

2067
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,719
Speaker 1: some games when it maybe like goes away at times.

2068
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:20,719
Speaker 1: That's what the defense keeps you in games.

2069
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know you like Mike maybe a lot.

2070
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,679
Speaker 2: Have you listened to him on some podcast?

2071
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 1: Answers?

2072
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 2: No, what podcast is he on? Tell me? I don't know. Well,

2073
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 2: you got to see it at least you see it

2074
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 2: on tweeter and then move on. But anyway, so he's

2075
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 2: doing it.

2076
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 3: The Baby Banter podcast.

2077
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 1: He has his own podcast.

2078
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's on one or get ready

2079
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 2: for a one star review? Babe.

2080
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 1: No, I don't know.

2081
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:44,520
Speaker 2: Maybe babbling.

2082
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 1: But like I said, like the Suns, I always talk

2083
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 1: myself into the Kings and I generally regret it.

2084
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 2: But they're a playoff lock to me. Dog.

2085
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're about saying playoff See I disagree.

2086
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 2: Disagree? Oh, hopeful? You think they're going to be a hopeful?

2087
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: So you think they're in the grizzly Laker rockets sort of, yes, area.

2088
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think more of more of the grizzly side

2089
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 3: of things. If I'm being honest, I think they they

2090
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 3: could maybe be the top of the play and hopeful

2091
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 3: tier to me, Okay, but I actually feel that opposite

2092
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 3: about defense. Surprisingly, I think they should not worry about

2093
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 3: on defense and just be good on offense. Their team

2094
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:21,799
Speaker 3: was awesome when they only care about offense.

2095
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe in the key on being a starting

2096
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 2: guard and helping that out this year because he will

2097
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 2: do that for the entire season. Plus Keegan Murray is

2098
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:34,480
Speaker 2: a really good defender, and you just have the professionalism

2099
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:36,600
Speaker 2: of Demard Rosen. Does that make a better defensive team. No,

2100
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 2: But I think it makes a better locker room, and

2101
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 2: so I'd locked them in.

2102
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, lock lock at the back, lock at the batcher.

2103
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 2: Cool.

2104
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 3: The San Antonio Spurs.

2105
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 1: Controversial, Yeah, we were disagree with that.

2106
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 3: Great.

2107
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2108
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, many are saying they're a team that should make

2109
01:35:55,160 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 3: playing noise. But it's a crowded Western Conference, right, So

2110
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 3: what what are you gonna do? They got Harrison Barnes,

2111
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 3: they got Chris Paul. Unfortunately it's twenty twenty four, not

2112
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen.

2113
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 1: Got their pick obviously Castle they're high on number four pick.

2114
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, they were a twenty two and sixty team

2115
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 1: last year. They lost a million games in the clutch.

2116
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: We went over that. That's where Barnes and Chris Paul

2117
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: should help. Yes, and obviously another year of women Yama,

2118
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 1: but like how much will that help? Does it get

2119
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 1: him into the play in hopeful.

2120
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 2: Tiers tough tier to aspire to be a play and

2121
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 2: hopeful dreams a play? Yeah, they are in that. We hope,

2122
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 2: we're they are hoping for it. They're they were going

2123
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 2: to be Eastern Conference, no problem.

2124
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:50,959
Speaker 1: But we got to remember it's taken forty five plus

2125
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 1: probably wins to get into a play in spot. Yeah, seriously,

2126
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 1: that's what it was last year, right, forty six, Yes,

2127
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 1: forty seventeen win team, we're in the plane. Yeah, that's

2128
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:02,680
Speaker 1: a good way to so like, man, that is I

2129
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 1: h Matt, they're doubling up their wins from last year.

2130
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you could have them leading the

2131
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 2: uh the flag group, the leaders.

2132
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, lead it up because I told you

2133
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 1: one of my lock was under thirty six and a

2134
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 1: half nights for them, So yeah, that's where I have them. Yeah, sure, what.

2135
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 2: You got spurs or hornets? Just kidding, don't answer that,

2136
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:23,760
Speaker 2: Do not answer that.

2137
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Speaker 3: Our final team, it's the Utah Jezz.

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Speaker 2: They're always good. Not too many excited people. I felt

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01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 2: like we needed to get hyped up. Nearing the end

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Speaker 2: of the podcast, thank you.

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01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if our finished listeners are still tuned in,

2142
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 3: but they're excited about Lowry Mark and I'm just trying

2143
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:43,840
Speaker 3: to do something for the rest of the basketball fans

2144
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 3: out there by saying their name.

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Speaker 2: Cool.

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01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, Utah Jazz always good in the first half of

2147
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 3: the season, trade a bunch of guys poopsies.

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01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, half of this. Will they do it for a

2149
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: third straight season? Will they overperform a little too well

2150
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 1: early and then say hey, hey, hey, hey, we got

2151
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 1: we gotta slow this down. You sit down, or we

2152
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: move this guy or whatever. It'd be hilarious if they

2153
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 1: do it again.

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01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 3: That would be awesome.

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01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:05,640
Speaker 2: It's possible too.

2156
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,799
Speaker 1: I mean really, I am I am a flag seeker.

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01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 1: I really think they're going to lean into playing their

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01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: young guys, and I think they should see what you

2159
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:18,599
Speaker 1: got with some of these guys. They have a lot

2160
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: of young guys, young talent there and be bad and

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01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 1: take a crack at winning one of these really incredible

2162
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 1: players in this in this loaded draft. So I'm a

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01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 1: flag Seeker.

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01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they really did that last year. I totally forgot that.

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01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 2: Darius Baislely played for their team. New Balance sponsored Darius

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01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 2: Baisley played for their team. Yeah, they went for it

2167
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 2: and they're going to do it again. Jordan Clarkson has

2168
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 2: to be extremely tradable calling sexon same thing. Larry Markinen

2169
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 2: was working out with Kanty George in Finland. It's time

2170
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Speaker 2: to go that direction, It's time to try it out. Yeah,

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01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:57,719
Speaker 2: the younger, younger guys got to play a had.

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01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 3: Herba for the San Antonio behind them.

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01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 1: Okay, oh man, I could I might even go lower.

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Speaker 2: See if they're playing all their guys, it would be different,

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01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:09,559
Speaker 2: they would yeah, I know, but yeah, because they're a

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01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 2: decent team. When Lowry's playing and the old guys are John,

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Speaker 2: I like.

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Speaker 1: Where Trey just put them, you know, in the lower tier,

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Speaker 1: the last tier, Flag Seekers, Spurs, Bulls, Jazz, Pistons, Blazers, Nets, Wizards.

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Speaker 2: They got a lot of kids. They're gonna play Williams,

2181
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:29,640
Speaker 2: Collier Hendricks. Phil Bowski sends him a they're not going

2182
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:30,639
Speaker 2: to stop anyone.

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01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: No, the defense is going to be bad again.

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01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 2: It was the worst last year, so that's a good spot.

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01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: That's a good spot. They should be bad there. It

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01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:38,920
Speaker 1: is all thirty teams.

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01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 2: Beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a look at it. Here are the tiers.

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Speaker 1: I'll read them out for the podcast listeners. So our

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01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 1: s tier title contenders. We only have three. Trey Kerby says,

2191
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 1: only one of these teams is gonna win the title.

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01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 2: That'll be wrong, but it feels good. I like it.

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01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 1: It's Celtics, it's Thunder, It's Nuggets getting up there.

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01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa.

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01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:59,720
Speaker 1: We got final four flirts in order. We have the Wolves,

2196
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 1: Nicks having just traded with each other, their main guys.

2197
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:05,600
Speaker 1: We got the MAVs there, the Sixers, the Bucks, and

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01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 1: the Suns playoff locks a lot of Eastern Conference teams

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01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:11,800
Speaker 1: ahead of those Western Conference teams, because you know what

2200
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:15,799
Speaker 1: sort of easier. It feels like Calves, Magic, Pacers, Heat,

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01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 1: and then Warriors, Pelicans, Kings playing hopefuls. This is where

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01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:26,440
Speaker 1: we flip. Then it goes all Western Conference teams, Grizzlies, Lakers, Rockets, Clippers,

2203
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:29,640
Speaker 1: and then we go to the East, Hawks, Raptors, Hornets,

2204
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 1: Oh the buzz Hornet's getting up there. And then the

2205
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 1: final one. I already said, but it's the flag seekers.

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01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 1: It's the worst of the worst. Here. We think Spurs, Bulls, Jazz, Pistons, Blazers, Nets, Wizards, anything,

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01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 1: you want to change their tests. I know you. I

2208
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:46,760
Speaker 1: guess you didn't. You didn't like where we had the MAVs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my heart, my heart says there's more contenders

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01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,599
Speaker 2: in that. I guess it's all about I mean, we

2211
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 2: did this two years ago. I missed last year's. Yeah,

2212
01:40:57,120 --> 01:41:01,440
Speaker 2: two years ago. We were debating what defined a contender.

2213
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:06,719
Speaker 2: But if you're saying Trey's definition, this is his game,

2214
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 2: so I'm okay with it.

2215
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 1: So okay, Trey Kirbyan you're saying a contender.

2216
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:17,879
Speaker 2: Has to be a title winner. So you're saying the Wolves,

2217
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 2: the MAVs, the thunder those are the main three ones

2218
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 2: I would say I can't win the title.

2219
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:27,400
Speaker 1: Hold hold on the thunder ares.

2220
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, geez, what did I miss? Wolves? So what

2221
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:34,720
Speaker 2: you're asking, well, who's the title contender? If you can

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01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 2: make if the Wolves are MAVs, basically can make a

2223
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 2: finals or a.

2224
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 1: Final four in the Wolves case, Yeah yeah, yeah.

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01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:43,600
Speaker 2: The Wolves are mas Both of the MAVs are in

2226
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:45,559
Speaker 2: the final four. Now we're all screwing up who's in

2227
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,679
Speaker 2: which category. The MAVs are a Final four team, They're

2228
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 2: not a title contender.

2229
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't believe they'll win the title this year.

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01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:55,720
Speaker 2: That's correct, that's what we're defining it. Yeah, now you're here,

2231
01:41:55,760 --> 01:42:01,160
Speaker 2: and now I like this is good.

2232
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:02,519
Speaker 1: This is perfect. Ship it.

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01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 2: Perfect. I see no problem. So, yeah, the Knicks can't

2234
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 2: win the title, Wolves can't win the title, The Mass

2235
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 2: can't win the title. Healthy Embiid and friends can't win

2236
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 2: the title. Yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying.

2237
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 1: I'd like to see the conference titles where they're even

2238
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 1: in the winning a title, let alone getting there.

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01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 3: About those horses, the Mavericks, that would be the team

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Speaker 3: that would be most likely to elevate to the title

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01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 3: contenders because they were there.

2242
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 2: Hey, I thought we went over it.

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01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,600
Speaker 1: The Wolves, the Knicks, and the Mass because of the

2244
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 1: Klay Thompson you know addition, and then the you know,

2245
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:38,639
Speaker 1: the subtraction of some of their defensive minded guys. Those

2246
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:42,759
Speaker 1: are the questions like, I don't know, can yeah, I guess,

2247
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 1: But will they I don't think so.

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01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great way to put it. I feel

2249
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 3: like all the Final four flirts in the teams that

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01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:53,040
Speaker 3: we ended up with in this tier have question marks, Yeah,

2251
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:55,320
Speaker 3: and I would. I would say that the Nuggets have

2252
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 3: the most question marks and the title contenders.

2253
01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:58,200
Speaker 2: But they've also won.

2254
01:42:58,120 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 3: A title, yes, you know, and they've got the best

2255
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 3: player in the league, who's the reigning MVP. So they

2256
01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 3: have fewer questions.

2257
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 2: Yes, so a few questions than okay, oh no, they

2258
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:09,759
Speaker 2: have more questions than OKC who haven't been there yet. Anyways,

2259
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:11,680
Speaker 2: are gonna right question for them? I know. That's why

2260
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 2: we should just make these two podcasts. But you're right,

2261
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 2: we're gonna separate these these conferences. Yeah, East and West.

2262
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 2: We're gonna kidding, kidding, show kidding. But the Mavericks I

2263
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 2: took them as an under and under forty nine. The

2264
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 2: hell are you trying to say? I know, No, I

2265
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 2: love all the lanes of the road.

2266
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 1: Man, You're like an Atlanta driver passing on my right.

2267
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:35,840
Speaker 1: The hell are you doing?

2268
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 2: No, this team is a playoff team. It doesn't matter

2269
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:40,640
Speaker 2: what they do in the regular seasons. You see what

2270
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 2: they did last year, they still made the finals. That's

2271
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 2: the thing.

2272
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: The regular season's got an account for some of this,

2273
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:47,640
Speaker 1: because we don't know of course who they're playing in

2274
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 1: playoff matchups.

2275
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:51,200
Speaker 2: I'll see you on the road. We'll see what happens.

2276
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:53,839
Speaker 2: The best driver I know you don't know any drivers.

2277
01:43:53,840 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 2: Then if I'm the best drivers at driver, Atlanta gets crazy.

2278
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that was I wasn't embellishing. No, you gotta

2279
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 1: have your head on a swivel down here, man. You

2280
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 1: gotta always expect a worse every car you look at

2281
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 1: go that person's probably on their phone. That person's probably

2282
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 1: grabbing something from the back seat. You have to you gotta.

2283
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:21,640
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever exited off the highway in

2284
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 3: Atlanta without somebody swerving over from another leg.

2285
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 1: Incredible the top. They don't know there's another exit coming

2286
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:29,639
Speaker 1: up seventy six.

2287
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:30,800
Speaker 2: So I was looking for seventy six.

2288
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they think if you miss it, it's like

2289
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 1: you just like you evaporate.

2290
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:37,599
Speaker 3: Yep, you can't do it. It's like there's another one.

2291
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:40,639
Speaker 1: It'll get you back there. Oh my god, dangerous times

2292
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 1: we did it. Did you take the over for ninety minutes?

2293
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 1: You were wise to do that, but hey, under two hours,

2294
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 1: baby ballmer staff Ballmer can grab your legs, grab.

2295
01:44:53,760 --> 01:45:01,439
Speaker 2: Your friend's legs, grab your shorts. I was like, damn,

2296
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 2: touching his skin. All right, let's call it. Tell us

2297
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:05,760
Speaker 2: where we're wrong.

2298
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 1: Get in the comments section. Who do we have too high?

2299
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 1: Who do we have too low?

2300
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:10,520
Speaker 2: Do it yourself.

2301
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 1: We can make that available, can't we the no dunksa

2302
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 1: tearmaker thing? Maybe? Oh I think we can.

2303
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know.

2304
01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:20,040
Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, thank you so much for joining us. We're

2305
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 1: back on Wednesday for our final part of our NBA

2306
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 1: season previous series. It'll just be me and Task and

2307
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 1: Ash filling in. JD headed to the Big Apple Trey,

2308
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:32,759
Speaker 1: headed to the the Big Nouge.

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01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:34,679
Speaker 2: Where you going?

2310
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to the Scenic City.

2311
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:41,679
Speaker 2: What's that? Apparently that's what they call it, Big Scenic.

2312
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:44,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Scenic City is the only one in the States.

2313
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:46,920
Speaker 1: Very beautiful. So Tess and I will be here with

2314
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:49,559
Speaker 1: Ash on Wednesday. We'll do some burning questions or remaining

2315
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 1: burning questions about the upcomy scenes. That'll be a lot

2316
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 1: of fun. That's on Wednesday again. Go check out that

2317
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 1: great video that Task and JD did talking about Vince

2318
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 1: Carter's Hall of Fame career. It's up on our YouTube channel.

2319
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 1: It's up on a lot of our social media channels

2320
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 1: as well, but I appreciate you joining us. Until next time,

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01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:05,240
Speaker 1: Clipper pros.

2322
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:07,640
Speaker 3: You heard it here first, have a great time turn up.

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01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 3: Love you guys awesome.

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01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, and remember Canada, Happy Turkey Day.

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Speaker 1: Brace the day, people,