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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Let's bring in Chris Simms, pro football talk

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Speaker 1: co host with Mike Florio. How about your saddest song?

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Speaker 1: What's the saddest song in Chris Simms life? Oh god,

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Speaker 1: this is a great conversation. It was actually really funny

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Speaker 1: just to listen to you and you know, the guys

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Speaker 1: there certainly. I mean you sounded like you're the teacher

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Speaker 1: in front of the class. Now, Fritzie, tell me what

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Speaker 1: happy song means to you? All right? So so so

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Speaker 1: I would go with I would go with sad song.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Great Gatsby, right, Lono del Ray. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is totally off the top of my head, Like

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Speaker 1: will you still love Me? I want to say, it's

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Speaker 1: that song, right, She's kind of talking about what you

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Speaker 1: love me when I get older? That's kind of a

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Speaker 1: sad song. Like that would be that one when you

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Speaker 1: say when you say happy song, I mean, first off,

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Speaker 1: Pharrell and happy does pop to my head right away?

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Speaker 1: It was kind of a happy song. But like what

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Speaker 1: about like some Bob Marley like three Little Birds? You know,

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Speaker 1: every time I hear that, I always perch up, you know,

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Speaker 1: I like me some Bob Marley, good message. Three little

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Speaker 1: Birds perch on my doorstep? How can you not like

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Speaker 1: that song? Come on? Yeah, but that's using when you're

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Speaker 1: returning from the dispensary, when you're listening to Bob Marley,

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Speaker 1: no doubt, and I'm encompassed in a cloud of smoke,

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Speaker 1: and I go, damn, this is a great song, all right.

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Speaker 1: If I would have said yesterday at eleven am Eastern,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson will be in the news

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Speaker 1: and the Broncos are getting one of the two, you

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Speaker 1: would have said who. I would have said, Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: I would have thought that was the guy at least,

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Speaker 1: you know, the leader in the clubhouse for that, and

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Speaker 1: I do believe he was. I believe he was plann A.

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Speaker 1: You know, they can spend it however they want. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a coincidence yesterday that Aaron Rodgers goes back

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Speaker 1: to Green Bay and then a few hours later or

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Speaker 1: an hour later, they signed Russell Wilson. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that was a coincidence, but yes, that would have been

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Speaker 1: the move I would have expected to have hear of

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Speaker 1: heard yesterday. I think if you had you know, ask

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Speaker 1: me one of the two if I look at and

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Speaker 1: we love to get grades on these things, but I'm

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Speaker 1: just looking at that. Let's look at what Denver's doing

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Speaker 1: now and what Seattle is doing. Now. Let me start

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Speaker 1: with Seattle. When you you don't trade Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks who are still considered to be in their prime,

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Speaker 1: they did it. Is this a rebuild for Seattle? I

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Speaker 1: think a little bit, I do you know? First off,

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Speaker 1: can you have a little bit of a rebuild? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Not really, I mean not really. They have some pieces

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Speaker 1: in place where you go ahead, listens DK Metcalf. There's

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Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett, There's Jamal Adams. You know, there's there's the

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Speaker 1: Jordan Brooks, a linebacker they got. They got a few

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Speaker 1: pieces to build around. So I don't look at it

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Speaker 1: as like, oh my gosh, this is a total tear

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Speaker 1: down rebuild. But you're right, there's no such thing as

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a rebuild. You look at their team.

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Speaker 1: They got issues everywhere. Offensive line, nothing special, running back,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing there. We talked about the receivers. Okay, tight end,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing there. No marquee defensive linement. Bobby Wagner's gone.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned Jordan Brooks Corners. Most of America has no

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Speaker 1: idea who plays corner for Seattle. So I look at

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Speaker 1: from that standpoint and go it makes sense for them.

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Speaker 1: This is how the Seattle Seahawks started under the John

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Speaker 1: Schneider Pete Carroll you know regime, was them building through

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Speaker 1: the draft and some quality value free agents. And I

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Speaker 1: think also Dan that they got to look at is

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Speaker 1: you know a little bit of reading the room where

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Speaker 1: they're a year away. In my opinion, with Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: as we know, who was telling people for the last

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Speaker 1: two years that he wants to go somewhere where it's

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Speaker 1: all about him and be in a different spot, that

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Speaker 1: they lose some leverage if they go into next year.

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Speaker 1: And now this comes up where it's Russell in the

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Speaker 1: that to where I think they realized they had a strike.

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Speaker 1: Now why the iron was hot. I look at Denver

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Speaker 1: and I do think they're on the cusp. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they're as close as what people think. Just in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, I got a rookie coach. I'm thrilled with

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Speaker 1: at that receiving corn say, man, they're good. Jerry Judy

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Speaker 1: still has to prove to me that he's he belongs

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Speaker 1: in there with the fellow Alabama wide receivers. I like

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Speaker 1: the running backs defensively, they don't have a pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: Secondary's good and you're playing in the AFC West, where

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Speaker 1: doubt they're what the third third best team in the West.

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Speaker 1: Are they better than the Raiders right now because they

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Speaker 1: got Russ? It's it's debatable. I think yes, as just

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Speaker 1: as purely on the roster, I would go I like

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Speaker 1: the Broncos roster more than the Raiders. Yeah, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's an uphill climb, and I think your questions

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Speaker 1: are you know, they're real. There's a lot of what

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Speaker 1: we would you know, potential with the Broncos. You know

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Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, he certainly looks like he's a real good

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Speaker 1: Receiver's unfortunate last year he had that bad high ankle.

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Speaker 1: Sprain Courtland Sutton I do think is a star at

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Speaker 1: was hurt last year too, So I think there's a

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Speaker 1: the corner last year to go, oh, it's pretty damn good.

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Speaker 1: And they can open up some holes now, Yes, they gotta,

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Speaker 1: they gotta round out. I think your point there with

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Speaker 1: difference maker up there. But they are close, they really are.

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Speaker 1: And in a lot of ways, I look at it

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Speaker 1: almost a blessing in disguise that for Denver and Nathaniel

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Speaker 1: Hackett that it's Russell Wilson over Aaron Rodgers. I really do.

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Speaker 1: I know Aaron Rodgers may be playing better football right now,

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Speaker 1: but I think you're very The reality is you're in danger.

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Speaker 1: If you have Aaron Rodgers on the Broncos. In two

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Speaker 1: years from now, you might be going, he might be going,

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Speaker 1: I might retire. And now you're back right here with Waite,

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Speaker 1: who's gonna be our franchise? So if you were Denver,

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Speaker 1: you're John Elway, you would want Russell Wilson instead of

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers if both were available. I think for the

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Speaker 1: looking at it, like, hey, I want to build something here,

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Speaker 1: next two or three years. I want to build something

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Speaker 1: where in the next six eight years were like one

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Speaker 1: of the top teams in the AFC. I think Russell

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Speaker 1: his career in Seattle with that. But also, I just

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Speaker 1: long time. Let alone, there's some young talent on the

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Speaker 1: the future for the Denver Broncos, where yeah, Rogers, we

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Speaker 1: know it could be fickle and you could be all

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Speaker 1: over the place on a year to year basis. Chris

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Speaker 1: Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host how much pressures

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Speaker 1: on Aaron Rodgers by staying in Green Bay as opposed

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Speaker 1: to if he had on someplace else, Well, I don't

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Speaker 1: and I think that's part of the reason he probably stayed.

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Speaker 1: He probably looked at it and said, wait, this is

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Speaker 1: the king. I mean, he's the king, There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it. That's the way Green Bay runs their organization.

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Speaker 1: They let Brett fav be the king forever and then

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Speaker 1: the king. And I think that was probably that's probably

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Speaker 1: part of the reason he stayed too. Let alone the

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Speaker 1: quirky from the outside looking in. I don't think you

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Speaker 1: important to Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I kept logic, would say,

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Speaker 1: why would you leave if they're going to pay you? Right,

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Speaker 1: they're really, you know, agreeing to act everything you're asking.

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Speaker 1: They acquiesced to you. They stood up for you with

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Speaker 1: the immunization controversy. There no day had your back. You

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Speaker 1: lose Nathaniel Hackett to Denver, but they bring in Tom Clements,

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Speaker 1: your old quarterbacks coach. They brought back Randall Cobb for you.

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Speaker 1: Feels like they everything Aaron asked for they gave him.

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Speaker 1: And then you got that division. Your schedule next year

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Speaker 1: throw in the NFC North pencil him in thirteen wins,

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Speaker 1: fourteen wins. Agreed, you're right, you know. And now advantage

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Speaker 1: surprised that he stayed. I guess the Panthers are willing

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Speaker 1: to deal Christian McCaffrey for a future number one and

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Speaker 1: got I got that. I don't know about that though,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you're you're him in an hall

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Speaker 1: and right just because you're going, wait, you're gonna trade

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Speaker 1: for him. I don't want no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: He's expensive, injury prone, mileage, and it's that position. No, no,

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Speaker 1: I never want a running back. I love Derrick Henry

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Speaker 1: don't want that, No, of course, agreed, agreed, And Derreck

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Speaker 1: get killed by his contract. He's making what five less

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Speaker 1: saying with chrit Christian McCaffrey that that is scary to me.

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Speaker 1: If I'm a team out there, I'm certainly not trading

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Speaker 1: first round pick for a guy that's played what ten

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Speaker 1: and it's not a naturally big man to begin with,

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Speaker 1: That would be if he only wins one Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: and so I think there's a lot of pressure on

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to win. We don't know what Brussell is

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Speaker 1: gonna be. Like. Remember when I think it was the

428
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Speaker 1: Eagles are the then known as the Redskins, put that

429
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Speaker 1: team together and we called him a green team and

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Speaker 1: everybody's like, man, they're gonna dominate and they were terrible.

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Speaker 1: So we don't know what Denver is gonna be. We

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Speaker 1: don't know what kind of coaching that Thaniel Hacking is

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Speaker 1: going to be. I know what Green Bay and Aaron are,

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Speaker 1: so there's a ton of pressure on him. Yeah, I

435
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Speaker 1: look at Denver. I'm they're not quite there yet. But

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Speaker 1: rush does give you a chance to win every game

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Speaker 1: and you can't. It's been a long time since we've

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Speaker 1: said that about a Denver quarterback there. I'm curious what

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Speaker 1: Seattle's doing. Pete Carroll's going to be seventy one. I

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Speaker 1: try not to factor in age, but when I look

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Speaker 1: at a rebuild for a team at that age and

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Speaker 1: they haven't drafted, well, I don't know what they have there.

443
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Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, the heart and soul of that that football team.

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Speaker 1: He's gone now, Russ is gone, Drew Locke. I mean,

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Speaker 1: unless they get lucky they draft somebody, or you know,

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson comes to town. What do you make of

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Speaker 1: Seattle's logic here? Well, Seattle, I think realized that they

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Speaker 1: were the fourth best team in the NFC West with

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. So if we're gonna be that, let's not

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Speaker 1: pay a guy thirty four million dollars or whatever he's

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Speaker 1: old this year and be the fourth best team in

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Speaker 1: our division. The fact that they've gotten they've traded Russell,

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Speaker 1: they've got rid of Bobby Righting. They're clearly rebuilding at

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Speaker 1: the very minimum. Now, I just wonder why they have

455
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Speaker 1: a steven team to have million dollars safety in Jamal Adams.

456
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Speaker 1: That contract sticks out with what they're doing, so I

457
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Speaker 1: don't know if they can trade that contract. So they're rebuilding,

458
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Speaker 1: but they can't really all kind of go all in

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Speaker 1: on rebuilding because of that contract. So I think Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 1: he's a young seventy if there ever was a thing,

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Speaker 1: probably like you know you then you're like a young eighty.

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Speaker 1: I mean both you both you guys are kind of

463
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Speaker 1: in the same boat there, younger, more vibrant than you

464
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Speaker 1: really are. And so I think Pete is probably saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: if we if we get super lucky, super lucky, we

466
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Speaker 1: can package our picks and be in on Deshaun Watson

467
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Speaker 1: if that legal situation gets resolved, if we get super lucky,

468
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Speaker 1: if at the very worst, we're gonna have a lot

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Speaker 1: of picks, and if we like a quarterback this year

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Speaker 1: or next year, we can draft one and then we

471
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Speaker 1: will be on late three to five year traject three

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Speaker 1: to rebuild. Do you remember running the forty at the combine? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I ran the forty to combine. I was tired as hell,

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Speaker 1: but I remember my time like the meal I eight

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Speaker 1: this morning. Okay, that time was and hopefully I got

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Speaker 1: it right. Four eight five, Paulie, what do you have

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Speaker 1: for book Yeah, Booker McFarland out of LSU at the

478
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Speaker 1: NFL Combine four eighty five, which one of one of

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Speaker 1: the fastest all time. If he were one pound heavier

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Speaker 1: that he waited in a two hundred ninety nine pounds

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Speaker 1: and had waited at three hundred, you would have been

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Speaker 1: at the group with one of the fastest three hundred

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Speaker 1: plus pounders of all time in combine history. So here's

484
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Speaker 1: here's a little backstory to that. We did a lot

485
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Speaker 1: of testing. The forty times was the last thing we do.

486
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Speaker 1: I was dog tired, et cetera. I ran four eighty

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Speaker 1: five at two ninety nine at my pro day, which

488
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Speaker 1: was a month later, where the only thing I did

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Speaker 1: was run. I waited at three h two and I

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Speaker 1: ran in uh some waffle bottom track shoes that I

491
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Speaker 1: had gotten from the track team. So at three h

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Speaker 1: two there was a varying degree of times from four

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Speaker 1: to five, nine to four to seven one that day point, Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's impressive. Uh. And then then here's the thing. Then

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. You got to realize. I wasn't six

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Speaker 1: six like George Davis or three forty. So the thing

497
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Speaker 1: that made my game really attractive to being a first

498
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Speaker 1: round pick was I was short, thick, and athletic, things

499
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Speaker 1: that normally don't go together. But if you look at

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Speaker 1: the best defensive tackles, I would argue over the last

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Speaker 1: twenty five years, I'm gonna name them. Not that I

502
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Speaker 1: am in the category, because I'm not. But let's take

503
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Speaker 1: a look at him. John Randall six two two eighty

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Speaker 1: five one set six two two eighty five, two ninety

505
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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald six one two eighty five. You follow me like,

506
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Speaker 1: the best guys aren't six six sixty seven. The best

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Speaker 1: guys are those short, thick, extremely athletic defensive tackles. I know,

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Speaker 1: but I look at him at six six, if he

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Speaker 1: can't get to the quarterback, just putting those hands up,

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Speaker 1: and how he could disrupt that defensive line in a

511
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Speaker 1: different way than what Aaron Donald does. Aaron Donald uses

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Speaker 1: leverage and he gets to the quarterback. You know, this kid,

513
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Speaker 1: if he didn't get there, he's gonna put his hands

514
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Speaker 1: up and at six six, he's gonna make it really

515
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Speaker 1: difficult for you. I'll agree. I think where he's drafted

516
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Speaker 1: is going to determine the expectations that we have for him.

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Speaker 1: Let's look at Cleveland Farrell, who was drafted fourth or

518
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Speaker 1: raw by the Raiders. He's looked at as a bus

519
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Speaker 1: not because he's not a really good player. He's just

520
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Speaker 1: not a sad guy. And that's where you expect or

521
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Speaker 1: that's what you expect him to be when you're draft

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Speaker 1: him fourth overall. So I think the expectations are gonna

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Speaker 1: be reluctant to where Jordan Davis is drafted. If he's

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Speaker 1: if he's drafted in the top team based on that

525
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Speaker 1: combined performance, it's gonna be a disappointment because he's never

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Speaker 1: gonna be a sad guy. To me, he's Sean Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Remember Sean Rodgers to play for the Lions. Sean Rodgers

528
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Speaker 1: played ten years. You know how many sacks he had

529
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Speaker 1: in his career thirty seven, so three sacks a year.

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Speaker 1: But Sean Rodgers was a good player. He was he

531
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Speaker 1: was kind of dominant in his own way. Helodi Nada like,

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Speaker 1: this is a type of player I think that Jordan

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Speaker 1: Davis could be. But the one thing that concerns me

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Speaker 1: about Jordan Davis, and I think if you ask any

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman goes back and watches the take, the biggest

536
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Speaker 1: thing that I think that can deter him from being

537
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Speaker 1: really good is he's got to be able to do

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Speaker 1: it not on play one. Can he do it on

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Speaker 1: play twenty four? Can he do it after he's had

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00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: a meet Friday at home? Can he do it on

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Speaker 1: play thirty nine on Sunday? Okay, that'll be the key, Dan,

542
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: because he's got to be in shape and it's hard

543
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: to play four quarters at six six three forty one.

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00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: It's hard. He's got to get in better shape, because

545
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Speaker 1: I can. I can show you take where he literally

546
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: walks off the ball against Alabama and stands there and

547
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: doesn't move like you have more movement now in your

548
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: neck than he had on that play. And that's embarrassing

549
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Speaker 1: for a guy who turned to combine upside down this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Always great to talk to you, Booger. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it anytime. Dan always. I see my picture

552
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: still hasn't gotten over your head, but I'm still efforting. Yeah, yeah,

553
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: once again. You know you got a jersey, You got

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Speaker 1: a picture. We will put it up here. We just

555
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: don't want anything from Dan Orlovsky because you know, yes

556
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: Marcus Spears trying to muscle his way in get some

557
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: get something up here behind me. So just letting you

558
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: know you're not the only defensive alignment I'm talking to. Love,

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Speaker 1: I love the jersey's on the way. Thank you, buddy.

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Speaker 1: That's Booger McFarland ESPN, NFL and college football analyst. A

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Speaker 1: couple of phone calls in here carry in Ohio, Hi, Carrie,

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Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Hey? Dan. I am a

563
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Speaker 1: huge fan and I have a quick question. Okay, it

564
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Speaker 1: is my thirty second birthday. Anyway I can get you

565
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Speaker 1: to seeing Happy birthday to me in that DJ voice? Oh?

566
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Speaker 1: Thank yeah? Is your husband around? Oh he's listening at home.

567
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Speaker 1: His name's Rob. Oh, I don't think he wants to

568
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Speaker 1: listen to this. Oh he'll be fine. Heapy birthday to you.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, caring, You're welcome. I was gonna give her

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Speaker 1: a gag gift and have Fritzie sing, but I know

571
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Speaker 1: you were waiting to do that. I'm always understand by

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Speaker 1: you know the types of opportunities. Yeah, why don't you

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Speaker 1: explore former Bronco quarterbacks here Trevor Sybrio. Yesterday we talked

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Speaker 1: about saddest songs. There was a survey done. I'm always

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Speaker 1: amazed at when somebody goes, m hey, we got a

576
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Speaker 1: study going, and uh, we're gonna this is the study.

577
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Speaker 1: And you go, who would ever think that that somebody

578
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Speaker 1: in England goes, We're gonna do a study. What's the

579
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Speaker 1: saddest song of all time? You've ever been in England? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I have, Yeah, there you go. But so all the

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Speaker 1: sad studies are in England there. Yeah. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 1: just everything is gray and sort of sludge colored. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: how's it going. Um, it's been a minute. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've been been staying busy with other things and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've been playing more and more tennis in

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Speaker 1: my retirement, so I haven't played much hoops at all.

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Speaker 1: How did you end up at Duke for the Coach

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Speaker 1: K Farewell Tour? Great question, I have. We have a

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Speaker 1: few friends here that that all went to Duke and

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Speaker 1: they're big supporters, and they always said, hey, you got

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Speaker 1: to go to Duke one time, you got to go

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Speaker 1: to Cameron Indoor and check out the atmosphere, and so

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Speaker 1: it's always kind of like a bucket listing for me.

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Speaker 1: And when they basically invited me for this Coach k

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Speaker 1: Last game, I said, it's a no brainer. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a bucket list. I want to go anyways, and

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Speaker 1: now to get get to see Coach K's last game.

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Speaker 1: So it was a no brain. And it was an

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Speaker 1: unbelievable atmosphere. I mean an atmosphere that I usually only

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Speaker 1: seen Europe, where guys jumping all game long and throwing stuff,

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Speaker 1: and um, that was amazing. But just you know, you

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Speaker 1: and C stealing the game at the end was a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a buzz kill, but I still had

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Speaker 1: I had a great time. Did you get scholarship offers

626
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Speaker 1: in Germany? I had a few offers back in the days.

627
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Speaker 1: I actually visited some colleges. I visited Kentucky at the time.

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Speaker 1: I visited cal and Stanford. Not sure I would have

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Speaker 1: gotten into Stanford with what I performed in high school.

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Speaker 1: I think they would have gotten inder. They somehow Kentucky

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Speaker 1: would have got you in, that's for sure. Would I

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Speaker 1: would probably think I would have gotten into Kentucky. So

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Speaker 1: those those are the three I looked at and I

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Speaker 1: decided then to go straight in the NBA, and obviously

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Speaker 1: that that was the right decision for me at the time.

636
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Speaker 1: Who was the first pro you ever faced? First American

637
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: prom What do you mean my first NBA game or no,

638
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: when when you came over, when like international games, or

639
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: when you first got drafted, Like the first NBA player

640
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: you you faced. Was it in your first NBA game? No? Actually,

641
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: we had the Nike that a promo tour through through

642
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: Germany and Europe back in the days. It was called

643
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: the Hoop Heroes, and they had a team that was stacked.

644
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: It was remember Scotti, pipp and Charles Berkley was on it,

645
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Jay Kidd, Gary Payton, Vin Baker, Tons Tons more. And

646
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: they played two or three games throughout Europe, and so

647
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: I got to play the against them. At the time,

648
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: I was just in the Army. I finished high school

649
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: and I went to the Army for ten months. So

650
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: I played played against him twice in Berlin and in Dortment,

651
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: I believe, and that was really my first time seeing

652
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: like the real stars and it was a fun up

653
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: and down game and I had a blast. And that's

654
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: when after the game, famously, Charles offered me a scholarship

655
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: to Auburn. I said, I'm going to get you into Auburn,

656
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: even though Auburn hadn't recruited me at the time, but

657
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: he said he can make it happen. So that was

658
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: that was sweet. What was your role in the Army?

659
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: So I did back in the days, it was mandatory

660
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: in Germany, So I did two months of basic training

661
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: and then I kind of got into it like a

662
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: sports company, which then allowed me to stay home and

663
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: really start training over at the time, really started training professionally,

664
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: started training twice or three times a day. Uh, And

665
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: so that's uh, that was. That was when the rest

666
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: of the eight months, and then basically once I got

667
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: out of the army, I came, I came over, I

668
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: was drafted, and I came over to the maps. Do

669
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: you ever wish you had gone to college at least

670
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: for one year in the States, You know what people

671
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: have asked me when I was in there and was

672
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: soaking up the duke atmosphere at Cameron Doors. I mean,

673
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: one year I think would have been fun. But as

674
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: you know, my style was a little different. I think

675
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: if I would have gotten to college, I think they

676
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: would have put me in the weight room first and

677
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: put me on the block, and you know, it's there

678
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: was still old school then, it was. The game was

679
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: different and I was really skinny, and my worry was

680
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: that they would change my game a little bit and

681
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: put a little bit more weight on me and put

682
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: the better back to the basket. And so going to

683
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: the NBA and going to Don Nelson, of course there

684
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: was a mismatch mass at the time, and he thought

685
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: the game a lot different. So that worked out perfectly

686
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: for me. I got to say, you know, he supported me,

687
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: he let me shoot trees. He let me play my game,

688
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: and so oh don a lot. If even if I

689
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: would have gone to the NBA income to a different situations,

690
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: they sort of might have changed changed my outcome. But

691
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: you look at this and you did change the game.

692
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: You know, Michael Jordan, we can say changed the modern game.

693
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: You could say that Steph Curry has changed the game.

694
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: But for big men to go outside. You guys were

695
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: always yelled at to go inside, get on the block

696
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: seven foot or shooting and shooting as well as you

697
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: did you change the game. Did you realize at the

698
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: time that you're changing the game or the perception of

699
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: big men. I appreciate that. You know, there was a

700
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: few big men obviously that could shoot before me, whether

701
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: it was Stremp was a German legend, or whether it

702
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: was Coo Coach and some guys that spread the floor.

703
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: I think I came in at a time when when

704
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: when the league was changing, you know, with the league

705
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: was putting in the zone defense, it was getting rid

706
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: of some of the hand checking from the nineties. So

707
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: so I think that the game was changing in more

708
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: of a free flow and passing game, a pick and

709
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: roll game, away from you know, somebody dribbling ten seconds

710
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: on the ISO on the wings. I think the game changed,

711
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: and I was I was fortunate that I was. I

712
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: was there at the time when the game was changing,

713
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: and I was you know, now, it's it's fun to

714
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: watch these big guys come in, all skilled, all can

715
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: bring up the ball, can initiate the offense, could shoot

716
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: composed and um in the versatility from the bigs these days,

717
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: it's just fun to watch. Well, I wonder the impact

718
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: that maybe Larry Bird had on here's a six nine

719
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: guy who was a great shooter winning the three point

720
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: shooting contest. I don't know who impacted you growing up

721
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: where you thought, hey, it's okay for me to go outside,

722
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: or I can perfect this. So I was a huge

723
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: NBA fan starting in the nineties. I just missed Larry Um.

724
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: So I was more of a Chicago Bulls fan and

725
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: the nineties there of course, then I got to know

726
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: Larry and did researcher on the league and saw obviously

727
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: is one of the best ever. But in the nineties

728
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: there when when I grew up, that was there was

729
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: just before my time. So I was a big Bulls fan.

730
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: You know, at the back of the day in Germany,

731
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: they only would show one or two games a week

732
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: and was always usually the best team. So I was

733
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: a diehard Bulls fan, you know, with with Ku coach

734
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: and h and later on, and so yeah, I saw

735
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: my game more like that, more facing the basket. I

736
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: didn't have a big frame. I was super skinny wade

737
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: maybe two hundred and twenty pounds max, and so yeah,

738
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: it was it was easier for me to move and

739
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: face the basket always than then with the back to

740
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: the basket. What was it like the first time you

741
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: met Michael Jordan? So you know, mj retired with the

742
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: shot in six in Utah. I was drafted that summer.

743
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: Then we had the lockout and I'm thinking, I'm about

744
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: to play against my hero, against my idol, and then

745
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: he retired and I'm like, oh no, I've just missed

746
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: my hero by a few months. So he didn't come

747
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: back for the lockout year in ninety nine and ninety

748
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: eight ninety nine, so I didn't get a chance to

749
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: play against them. And then he came back with the

750
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: Wizards a few years later, and of course it was

751
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: a little up there in age, but it was still amazing.

752
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean that was in all. He guarded me a

753
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: couple of sessions on the post and I tried to

754
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: post them up, and I was excited. I remember just

755
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: shooting the brutal fade away. I don't think I even

756
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: made it, but I was just so so hyped to

757
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: play against Mjay and be on the same chord as

758
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: my idol. But you know, the first, my first you

759
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: really arrived in the NBA moment was I think my

760
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: third or fourth NBA game in the lockout year was

761
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 1: against Houston the Rockets. And at the time, in ninety

762
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: eight ninety nine, they had Pippin who I loved from

763
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: the Bulls. They had Charles Barkley who I loved, and

764
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 1: they had Kimo laja On who I watched the nineties

765
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: winning back to back championships. I'm like, I'm running around

766
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: on this court, I think, and what is happening here?

767
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: This is super surreal. So that was that was definitely

768
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: I have arrived in the NBA moment. Did you ever

769
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: ask for a jersey from these guys? I did not.

770
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be that guy. You know, I was,

771
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: first of all, I was way too shy. I wouldn't

772
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: have even known how to address them. I talked to them,

773
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: so I kind of like did my thing, and then

774
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: I went in the locker room. I didn't didn't really

775
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: have the cuts to do it. How much trash did

776
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: they talk to you? I mean, not not not that trio,

777
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: but that was obviously when I first got the nigue

778
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: of skinny. I was from Europe or shooting jumpers, so

779
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, everybody was kind of like, guy, he's soft,

780
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: Let's see what he's made of. And I remember I was,

781
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: I was guarding somebody beside right in front of the

782
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: opposing bench, and all I can hear from the bench

783
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: go out he is soft. Blow by him. And so

784
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: so I mean I heard all these things. Of course

785
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: I hear all these things that I thought. It motivated

786
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: me to push through and get a little stronger and

787
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: and work on my game. And you know, as Kevin

788
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: Garnett treat you, he tried to be pretty intimidating always,

789
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: especially at the beginning of my career when we were

790
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: getting better with Dallas Um. We were we were pushing

791
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: into the playoffs there my first two years. When the

792
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: playoffs my third year, we finally met the playoffs, and

793
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: then you know, he tried to intimidate me, and you

794
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: know sometimes after a time out to walk out of

795
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: the time out, he had already left his time out

796
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: early to stand there and walk with me almost And

797
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: that that was KG. I love his passionate intensity and

798
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: he was a little crazy. So we had two great

799
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: battles over the year. Obviously, you know, the pierces competitor

800
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: also bring out the best and you and he try to,

801
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, hold your own. And so we've had some

802
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: great battles of our careers. You know, Kobe closes out

803
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: his career was sixty like that doesn't happen, Like, how

804
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: do you explain that night that Kobe just goes for

805
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: sixty and says, see him unbelievable. I mean to me,

806
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, I played against you know, Shack and Timmy

807
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: d and all the great players. To me, Kobe was

808
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: the greatest in his prime that that I faced. And

809
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: I always always tell the story when when we played

810
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: in La I think it was all six or seven,

811
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: he scored sixty three to three quarters and we as

812
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: a team scored sixty two and he outscored us by himself.

813
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: And I mean, there was nothing we could do that night.

814
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: He shot floaters, he was on the break, one on four,

815
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: he was laying us, he was fade away. There was

816
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: one time we got stuck in the corner and and

817
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: the shot luck was going down, so he just turned

818
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: over and shot at three out of the corner of

819
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: the left bottoms. And like there was nothing that night

820
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: because he his his his killer mentality is letticism, and

821
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: his skill level was just elite. Everything the whole package

822
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: was elite. So that was just nothing we could do

823
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: with him. So to come back to his final game,

824
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: it didn't surprise me. I've watched this and more than

825
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: probably anybody else while I was in my in the NBA,

826
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: always trying to catch his fourth quarter somewhere in La,

827
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, before I go to bed, I'm like, oh,

828
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: Kobe's playing the home game in the in stables. I

829
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: got I got to tune in something that's about to happen.

830
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: So I never made it a big secret I was.

831
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: I was a big admirer and a big fan from Afar,

832
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: and I had a huge amount of respect. So that

833
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: to score sixteen in this final game, I don't think

834
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: anybody was surprised. And then he scores eighty one. Is

835
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: somebody going to score a hundred in a game? I mean,

836
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be tough. I mean, if if

837
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: somebody's going to do it, it's going to be in

838
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: a nowadays game, you know, not in in the nineties

839
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: it was pretty much impossible with the physical style. But

840
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: now the scoring us up and the court is way

841
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: more open, and so I mean, if somebody can do it,

842
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: it'll be now But I mean it's I don't see it,

843
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: but you know, you never say never. You know, the

844
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: records always there to be broken. But we'll see what happens.

845
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: But it's actually funny when Kobe at sixty three on us,

846
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: he didn't play the whole fourth quarter because they were

847
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: up twenty twenty five, and then a couple of weeks

848
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: later against Toronto he had to play the whole game

849
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: and he got eighty one up. I for sure, I

850
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: think if you would have played on us the whole game,

851
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: he would have easily scored eighty eighty five. I mean

852
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: that's how he was. He was going nuts, and so

853
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: that's that's the type of role he was on in

854
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: that in that couple of weeks stretch, and it was

855
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: it was unbelievable. But can you You're born obviously with

856
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: certain traits characteristics, certain players have. Michael Jordan had that

857
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to kill you, Kobe had that I'm going

858
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: to kill you. Can you can you acquire that? Like

859
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: if you look at that and go, I need to

860
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: have more of that in my game. Can can you

861
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: put killer instinct assassin into your game? That is? That

862
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: is a tough question. I think you can work on

863
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: certain stuff. You can work on for sure, the mental

864
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: aspect of the game. I'm not sure all of a

865
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: sudden you can turn into MJ or Toby, But I

866
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: do think the mental part is huge. It's huge. Now.

867
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: I think we learned so much about about your mental

868
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: approach to the game the last twenty thirty years. You know,

869
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 1: we didn't know much back in the days. We didn't

870
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: know much about nutrition. When I first got in the nineties,

871
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: we were eating burgers, pregame, We were you know, we

872
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: were doing all sorts of stuff, and nobody really trained

873
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: their mind and their brain. And now now the last

874
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: twenty years, I think we know so much more. And

875
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: all these athletes now are like vegan and have mental

876
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: trainers and coaches and so I think that's that's definitely

877
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: an era, an area where you can work on and improve,

878
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure you can turn into into Michael Jordan.

879
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: I think that's that's something English was born with. But

880
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you know, when the Miami Heat

881
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: and Wade and Lebron sort of mocked you for coughing,

882
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: if you and your mind, like, do you turn something

883
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: on and you use that against them in the NBA Finals,

884
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: not really. You know, at the time when I saw

885
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: the video, we were up three two and we're going

886
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: to Miami, and so we're literally one game away from

887
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: my dream that I've been chasing for the league I

888
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: think eleven years already, and I always felt short. So

889
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: you know, if anything I told the team, I said,

890
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: let's stick together and let's let's let's close this out.

891
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: And then the funny thing in Game six, then maybe

892
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: I was pressing even too hard. I think. I don't

893
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: know if you remember, but at halftime of Game six

894
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: of US one for twelve, probably one of the worst

895
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: performances of anybody in a half in a finals game,

896
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: and it took me a little bit. I don't know

897
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: if I was too hype, I wanted to force things,

898
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: maybe the whole market thing, you know, I try to

899
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: force leaven more and things were just not happening. But

900
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: second half, I was able to slow down a little

901
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: bit and let the game come to me a little

902
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: more and we ended up winning in Game six. So

903
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: that was that was probably one of the worst halves

904
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: ever played by somebody in the finals. Do you hold

905
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: any grudges but anybody, No, not at all. I think,

906
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's normal when you're in the

907
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: league and you're competing at the highest level every night

908
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: to not be friendly with everybody. You know. I think

909
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: there were some guys that got along a little better.

910
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: There's some guys that we didn't really talk much. But

911
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: I think that's part of being a competitor. But also,

912
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, once my career is over, now you know,

913
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: I made peace of everybody, and I don't have any

914
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: hard feelings. I doubt there's a lot of guys that

915
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: have hard feelings towards me. So it's just I try

916
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: to compete or try to win, and then you know,

917
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: you know, now it's over. It's we all had a

918
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: good time. Do you want to coach be a GM?

919
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not really sure what the future brains. Honestly,

920
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying traveling matchilled. We have three young kids

921
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: and enjoying being home and traveling with them a lot.

922
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: And I do some advising for the maps at the moment,

923
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: and to do other things, learn about business side, and

924
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, we still have I have two foundations, one

925
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: in Germany one here in the US. So I stay busy.

926
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see what the future brings. I'm

927
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: not a coach. I would say that's that's not my

928
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 1: mentality to stand there and motivate guys and whole big speeches.

929
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: That was never my thing. Even while I played. I

930
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: was more of the guy that led by example. I

931
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: never wanted to stand in front of the team and talk.

932
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: So I don't think that's my my DNA. But you know,

933
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: maybe some front office stuff in the future, but we'll

934
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: see what happens. I think it's it's a little too

935
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: early for me. I'm enjoying my time with the family

936
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: for now. If I said, describe Luca don Chick to

937
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: people who've never seen him play, how would you describe him?

938
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, he's a complete package. He's a big guards.

939
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: He's got everything in his game and offensively that you

940
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: would hope for. I mean, he's he can break you

941
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: down off the dribble. He's not the fastest guy. He's

942
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: a big guy, six to nine, big guy, but you know,

943
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: can have sets the skills as the strength, can go

944
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: buy anybody once he has on his button on his

945
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: shoulders so strong he just can move anybody. And he's

946
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: got the big shop mentality. He's got the confidence that

947
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: take over in big moments so he can post. He

948
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: worked on a sloater the last couple of years, so

949
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: now he's got the in between game. I mean, honestly,

950
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: he is as full of the package as a twenty

951
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: three year old as I've seen, because usually, you know,

952
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: it's how he reached the game, how he reached the

953
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: pick and roll situation, how he passed the ball. Usually

954
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: I think you developed that more as you get more experienced.

955
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: This kid came in at twenty nineteen one years old,

956
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: and the way he saw the game was it was

957
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: something I've never seen in my career. So where we're

958
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: so happy he's he's playing for the mouse. Of course,

959
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: were you ever called for an offensive foul when you

960
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: would do your little step back and put your knee

961
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: into somebody's groin. Not not when I shot it, but

962
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: sometimes I got it when I tried to create space

963
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,959
Speaker 1: and somebody was really on me and I really try

964
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: to put my shoulder down and create that little bit

965
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: of you know, separation that I needed. I think, especially

966
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: later in my career, when guys knew that was coming,

967
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: I didn't really I couldn't really drive, so they were

968
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: really up on my shoulder. And then when I did

969
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: try to lower it a little bit, I think that's

970
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: when I got some offensive foul. But once I got

971
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: the little separation and I was leaving me back, I

972
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: don't think I ever got got that called as some

973
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: offensive foul. Yeah, but you were, you were using your

974
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: leg as a weapon, Dirk, I mean a little bit.

975
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: But like I said that, you first you first create

976
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: the separation with backing somebody down, and then once you

977
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: take a step back. You know, it's not like I

978
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: bumped and then immediately shot. I did step back from

979
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: from a little from one felt to the other, from

980
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: the right leg to the left, and that is already

981
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: creating enough separation to raise the knee up. So I

982
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: never really need anybody in the growing or in other

983
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: areas during that shot. That never really happened. Has Mark

984
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: Cuban ever been the best shooter on the team. Never

985
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: he I think his mind he believes he was, but honestly,

986
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: he's Uh. He played a little bit obviously as a hobby,

987
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: and he's got a little stroke, but it's it's a

988
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: super super slow slow release. But you know, he was.

989
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: It's just a super family. The first when he bought

990
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: the team, we used to play one on one and

991
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: shooting games after practice all the time time, and that's

992
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: the kind of relationship we had. And so he's been

993
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: sort of a mentor and uh and obviously a good

994
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: friend of mine for for a long long time. So

995
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: I do owe him a lot. Oh, thanks for opening

996
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: up the scrapbook. We appreciate you telling stories, Eric, Dirk,

997
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Yeah, no, thank you guys for

998
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: having me take care. That's Dirk Nevitsky. He won a championship.

999
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: He's a former MVP Finals MVP as well with the

1000
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: man