1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. Uh yeah, Lamar is a good guy 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: to bank on in a lot of ways, both his 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: ability and his demeanor. A Life and fath and Football 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: co written by your wife, Louisa Thomas. I see the 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: co written John, and come on now we all know 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: who wrote that book. Come on, John, you're a math guy. 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: This is my condition for coming on. Everyone came. The 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: whole life isn't here, So let's go somewhere. Where did 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: he go? Did he he left? Right? Yes, he went 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: to Arizona? How did that go? Like? How did how 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: did people take? Like? What was the environment? Welcome into 12 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: the lounge. I am back, Garrett can no longer talk smack, 13 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: and I'm not here, So now it's my surf because 14 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: he ain't here. Oh, Garret, where are you at? Big dog? 15 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: Huh oh exactly exactly. At least mine I was on 16 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: paternity leave. He's just vacation. Two weaker. Yeah, where is 17 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: this guy? I want to know? But anyway, we have 18 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: a great guest, not just Cliff obviously Brown always a 19 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: phenomenal of course, but we're gonna bring on John Herschel, 20 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: former Ravens offensive lineman who is now an author just 21 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: wrote a book with co written with his wife Louisa Thomas. 22 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: It's called mind and Matter of life in math and 23 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: football and uh, we're gonna get into that, but before 24 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: we do, Cliff, I just want to spend a little 25 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: bit time kind of prepping fans for O T a 26 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: s which are next week. Uh and uh, you know 27 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: where where the team sits at right now? What do 28 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: you feel like? What are you excited about heading into 29 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: O T. S. Well, there there's so many important, uh 30 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: new pieces with this team, and there's been so much 31 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: talk about the offense being built from the ground up. 32 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that, Yeah, I think everyone is very curious 33 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: about the Ravens looking different this year. I think that 34 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: it's going to be fun in increments to see how 35 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: different they may look and uh, if the vision they 36 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: have for the team will come into fruition, you know. 37 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: On the field, I just think that, you know, for 38 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: the first time in a while, there's so many playmakers 39 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: you want to see. Um, there's certainly the defense is 40 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: going to look different because of the familiar faces have gone. 41 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 1: And I think that the chemistry of the team will 42 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: be different because of the personalities that are here have 43 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: have have gone. So yeah, I'm just very curious as 44 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: he as things evolved to see what the two thousand 45 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: nineteen Ravens are going to be, because it's definitely gonna 46 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: be different than it's been in the past. Yeah, I'm 47 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: most excited to see Lamar Jackson out there again, see 48 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: him throwing, see what improvements he has made this offseason. 49 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: Because you know I said it before, I'll say it again. 50 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: Lamar's continued development, to me, is the most important piece 51 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: of this whole puzzle. Uh yea, And I mean the 52 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: ground game is gonna be great. Uh. They've improved it 53 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: with mark Ingram, Justice Hill, Greg Roman being the full 54 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: time o C. Now, uh, but Lamar needs to throw 55 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: the ball well in order for the Ravens to have 56 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: success consistently on offense and um and I think he's 57 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: certainly capable of doing that. He showed that he's capable 58 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: of doing that last year. I expect him to do 59 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: it and O t S will be the first sign 60 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: of that. So I'm excited to see it. Yeah, I think, uh, yeah, 61 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: Lamar is a good guy to go on in a 62 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: lot of ways, both his ability and his demeanor. And 63 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: we'll just jump right in with John or So John, 64 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: just tell us a little bit about your book. I 65 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: just realas a new book. It's called Mindn't Matter it is. 66 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: It's a memoir about my time playing math. See this 67 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: is how you know, I've done five hours of radio 68 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 1: playing math. Yeah, this is It's about my time playing 69 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: football and doing maths and sort of my journey and 70 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: discovery of, you know, my love of mathematics and sort 71 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: of steem mathematics for the beautiful, elegant and important thing 72 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: that it is. And it's very much a love story 73 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 1: about mathematics, but also sort of a story that says, 74 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, you can have, you know, multiple interests, you 75 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: can add multiple passions and really just talking about the 76 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: importance of education and sort of the concept of just 77 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: trying to achieve some dreams. So that's that's the book 78 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: of the Nutshell. You should, uh, whoever is listening, I 79 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: encourage you to go to your local bookstore. Do you 80 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: have to support local bookstores? Your local bookstore and buy 81 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: a copy or two or ten. I'm sure many members 82 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: of your family would appreciate a copy. And Christmas is 83 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: right around the corner. So christ is right around the corner. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, 84 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: mine I'll say it for I'll say it for all 85 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: the listeners out there. Again, Mind and Matter, Life in 86 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: Math and Football co written by your wife, Louisa Thomas. 87 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: I see the co written John, and come on, now 88 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: we all know who wrote that book. Come on, John, 89 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: you're a math guy. Oh, I hear silent from the line. 90 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: Have you read it? I have not. I've read the 91 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: stuffs this, John, you are a math guy. I'm not 92 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: a reader, all right, I'm not asked me the last 93 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: book I read? And I might tell you Amelia, but Jelia, 94 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: all right, how how can you? How are the listeners 95 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: here to read this book? You have to tell him 96 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: to read the book I'm telling you to read, and 97 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: I want you to tell if you had read the book, 98 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: you would know that I'm contributed a great deal to this. 99 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: People also tell Louisa knows nothing about mathematic Okay, I'll 100 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: give I'll give you that. Well, I don't know, but sure, 101 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: how to tell me? How can the math? How can 102 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: the book be bull of math? Complicated? Man explained so beautifully, 103 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: an elegantly and simply to a broad audience. Well that's 104 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: I wonder who who could have been capable of that? 105 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: That's the part. Explain the whole part about the elegant, 106 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: elegant and beautiful that's Louisa. You you you're a football player. 107 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: That about you is elegant or beautiful. All right, you're 108 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: a football player. Let's be honest here, John, I'm telling 109 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: you definitely like sounds more eloquent than I really am. 110 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: Like when it comes to like narrative and you know, 111 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: like plot and all of these, you know, really not 112 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: that important things. But when it came to like the 113 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: math and sort of explaining math to sort of a 114 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: general audience on me, all right, all right, I'll give 115 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: you that. I'll give you that, all right. So for 116 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: listeners who also aren't super familiar with your story, maybe 117 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: new fans. New fans, John played here for three years 118 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: from retired abruptly, I would say, you caught me by surprise. 119 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: You know, we're buddies. I had no idea this was 120 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: coming retired abruptly on July sen so two years ago, 121 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: about to pursue full time math because this football and 122 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: method were these two things that you you love both, 123 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: and ultimately decided, you know what I want to I 124 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: want to do this full time at M I t 125 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: Uh so, the question for you is, I guess, how's 126 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: the math going? I mean, what are you working on now? 127 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: What kind of what kind of great things do you 128 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: have coming? The math is going well? I've you know, 129 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: I've been enjoying the pH at M. I t I've 130 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: been doing good at work. I'm sent to graduate next spring, 131 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: and my prospects are looking really good. Like life is 132 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: life is good in the math world, and uh yeah, 133 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: I have to say it's pretty nice over here. So 134 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Ryan not to brag, but I 135 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: gotta let you know that. You know, I've got a 136 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: pretty nice situation going on here. You're allowed to brag. 137 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm letting you know. I'm letting you know life is good, 138 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: is good, and well, I guess more importantly, life is 139 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: better than it was when you were playing football. That's 140 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: the key question. I mean, I wouldn't say life is better. 141 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah, I don't think so well. I mean, okay, 142 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say I don't think so. I don't know, 143 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: but life isn't really really good over here. I'm just 144 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: gonna let you know. Boy is extremely happy. I wake 145 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: up in the morning. I made myself sad expresso. Nice 146 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: little expresso. It's very tasty. I walked to work. It's 147 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: like a fifteen minute walk, very easily beautiful. I get 148 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: into my office and M I t and I just said, 149 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: and I think that's what I do all That's what 150 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: I do all day. I just said, I think that's 151 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yeah, that was not bad. And I I 152 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: go home and I hang out with my daughter. So 153 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty nice. Oh, by the way, I'm curious 154 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: what I know. We hadn't pushed this, uh this tainting 155 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: back because there was some like breaking news. What's what's 156 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: the breaking news. I'm the Ravens just reportedly resigned Penell McPhee. 157 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: Do you played with Oh yeah, yeah, Oh that's that's 158 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah, come full services. So next breaking news 159 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: is we're resigning John Merschel beef up. That's offensive line. 160 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: We're bringing them back. This is a breaking news. John, 161 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: that's that's definitely not happening. Yeah you saw me, you 162 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: saw like how much? Like? Yeah, definitely I happened. So 163 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: what John? You you look different and feel different? Yeah, 164 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm much you know, I'm you know, 165 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: I'm about thirty pounds less than I was when I 166 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: was playing. I mean, you know, I still have some 167 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: sizes to me, but I'm you know, I'm much you know, 168 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: much more slender, and uh yeah about the sort of 169 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: the biggest injury I get the days is you know, 170 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: I'll get a paper kind of every once in a while, 171 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: but you know this is about it. John. I. I 172 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: sometimes will come across these things and videos of like 173 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: like AI and stuff. You know, these robots that are 174 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: doing incredible things, and it scares me. And I'm always 175 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: like that, John Herschel, He's going to ruin the world 176 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: with these applied mathematics and these robots and creating Terminator all. 177 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: I seriously, every time I see that, I think about you. 178 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: So tell me. I'm so excited. Yeah, exactly what I've 179 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: talked about that, Like when like when I built sky 180 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: mat note that it's coming to your front door first 181 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: straight for you. The kids, why they just they can 182 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: hang out. I'll even send them like robot to replace 183 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: you Robot Ryan, but it's coming for you first, doing 184 00:11:53,480 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: approved version of their father and husband. Exactly, I'll do that. 185 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a robot that writes like football stories. 186 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: And I'm suddenly out of a job. I mean, that's 187 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna put people like me out of jobs, Sean. No, 188 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just gonna specifically put you out of 189 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: the job, the robots, especially trying to report on breaking 190 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: news in the radio. Yeah. Is this all because I 191 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: beat you at board games and nearly beat you at chess? 192 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: So nearly he's laughing. This is quite a quite a tale. 193 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: And I can't. I don't know. Did you did you 194 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: win like a board game? At some point throughout our 195 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: board game night? You might have, like, you know, sacrifice 196 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: yourself to like stop me from winning on and I did? 197 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: I did have you on the ropes and chest once? Yeah, 198 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: I think, I I think I like blunder. That's right, 199 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: Yes you did. And then what happened. We're not gonna 200 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: tell that some part of the story. See, this is 201 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: why I still am above a robot in terms of journalism. 202 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: I leave the important parts out. I see, I see? 203 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: Uh so John? Moving on from our personal vendetta here, Um, well, 204 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: I mean I don't Is there am I on this 205 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: show for any other reason? Just? Yeah? I mean, is 206 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: there any part of you? I mean, you know, you 207 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: said like there's no way you would come back and 208 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: obviously I know that. But you know, how do you 209 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: look back on football now? Are you? Are you still 210 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: a fan? Do you do you watch games? You watch 211 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: Ravens games, like is there still you know? Because for 212 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: so long they were these two I don't want to 213 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: say competing interests, but you know, side by side, and uh, 214 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: it was such a huge passion of yours. Do you 215 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: miss it at all? You know, how do you feel 216 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: about it? Yeah? I, Uh, First of all, I really 217 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: enjoyed watching football. I mean I always have. I I'm ashamed, 218 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: but I don't even know what I'm gonna say shame. 219 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm not ashamed. I don't watch pro football. I don't 220 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: really watch it at all. I when I watched a 221 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: lot of college football, and in fact, I I didn't 222 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: really even watch pro football when I was in pro football, 223 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: probably because I was in pro football, you know, couch yeah, 224 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: watching paper Like I would ever sit on the couch 225 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: and be like, oh, let's like watch a broadcast, you 226 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: know whatever, Monday night football or something. This wasn't really 227 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: my thing. And uh yeah, even when I was playing 228 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: in the pros, I really only watched college football and 229 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: I followed Penn State religiously. I mean, this is this 230 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: is my team. And then I also follow Western Illinois 231 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: very very closely because my best friend is their offensive coordinator. 232 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't you know. I look back to 233 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: my football career and I really really enjoyed it. I 234 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: really enjoyed it, and I was so happy I got 235 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: to play in the NFL, like at the highest level. 236 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: My favorite time of football. I do have to say 237 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: it was college football at Penn State, though definitely my 238 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: favorite time period of football, Like if we look at 239 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: high school, college and pros is definitely college. But the 240 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: whole time three it was just really enjoyable. But I 241 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: have to say, I'm really not one to like to 242 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: miss things, you know, like some people are really you know, 243 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: some people are, you know, to really like miss things. 244 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: I don't really miss things, especially when I have sort 245 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: of a lot of stuff going out in my life, 246 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to look forward to. I'm a 247 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: I'm a really forward looking person. Yeah that's good. I 248 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: didn't have man, I didn't have my daughter. I would 249 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: probably best football but right now and I don't miss 250 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: it at all. What was it about Penn State playing 251 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: there that made it different than playing in the NFL. Oh, 252 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: my lord, Ryan, is there someone else conducting this podcast 253 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: other than you? I just you know, I didn't mean 254 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: to distract you, threw you off wards you I might 255 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: speak right, Oh, I mean there's uh, you know, there's 256 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: just differences. Like don't know. One of the coolest things 257 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: about the NFL to me is just, you know, playing 258 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: that sport you've played for so long, and being able 259 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: to play at the highest level against like, you know, 260 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: elite athletes, like some guys that like, you know, I 261 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: grew up like really like respecting and watching and the 262 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: something about college football. But I really love especially football 263 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: at Penn State. I have to say that I've come 264 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: to realize that that my college football experience at Penn 265 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: State was actually decently different than like a lot of 266 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: other people's college football experiences, and that at Penn State 267 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: we just our locker room. We had a good group 268 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: of guys at that time. And I believe now too, 269 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: although you know I don't play there anymore, is that 270 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, they just recruited good football, good football players, 271 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: high character guys who just you know, are tough, hard 272 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: working and just love football. And you know, there's something 273 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: special about playing football with all of your best friends 274 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: in the world. You guys, you know, you live together, 275 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: you sort of those eat together, you watch film together, 276 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: practice together, you go out together, you do everything together. 277 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: And just sort of like being able to wear that 278 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: jersey representing university with all of your best friends and 279 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: you know, go out there and you know, you know, 280 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: play other teams in front of a hundred and six 281 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: thousand stands. There's there's nothing like it. And yeah, there's 282 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: there's just nothing like it. I don't know what else 283 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: I can say. I mean, we shouldn't be surprised that 284 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: you're a college university guy. You did ultimately leave the 285 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: NFL to go back to college. So it's the shocker 286 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: that you love that atmosphere. I'm telling you, it's a 287 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: it's a it's a beautiful thing. Although I would say 288 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: that I've heard, like when I was in the league, 289 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: I had heard from some of my teammates in the 290 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: league sort of when I hear them talking about their 291 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: college experience, it seems to me like we've really had 292 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: something special at Penn State. And that's sort of that 293 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: sort of closeness really is not everywhere. And I didn't 294 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: realize that until I got to the pros and I 295 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: actually talked to people in other universities and sort of 296 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: heard sort of a very different area. And I don't 297 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: know if it was sort of just based off the 298 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: type of guys that were being recruited at Penn State 299 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: at that time, or sort of a lot of the 300 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: things that we went through which sort of brought us 301 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: so much closer together. But yeah, it's it's truly as 302 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: a special place. And I've been told that now that 303 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: I need to pivot back to my book, which I'm 304 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: trying to sell. So I'm going to go back to 305 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: my book now that you know what about I thought 306 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: you'd give him a flug at least, you gotta give 307 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 1: me time. Now that I have a book, you know, 308 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: which is out minded matter, A Life of bath and Football. 309 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: You can pick it up from a local bookstore. Christmas 310 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: and New Year's is right around the corner. I've come 311 00:19:54,920 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: to realize that it's just I don't even I don't 312 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: even know how to put it. It's just it's just 313 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: a special place. And my book really is just sort 314 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: of like it's a walking advertisement for Penn State. I'm 315 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: not going to lie, and yeah, I'm okay. With that. 316 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: I want you to. I'm fully okay you should. Probably 317 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: we could probably just title the podcast episode a walking No, actually, 318 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: we need to sell books like start with Minded Matter, 319 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: A Life in Math and Football. Go buy it for 320 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: Christmas and New Year. It's right around the corner flash 321 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: a walking advertisement for Penn State and Penn State Football. 322 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: Don't what do you think about it? Well, why don't 323 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: you peddle it as a good summer reading like beach 324 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: trip reading? Dude, I'm should be your marketer. That's true. 325 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: Everyone summer is right around the corner. I know you 326 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: want to go to the beach, and to go to 327 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: the beach, you really need a copy of Mind and Matter, 328 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: Life and Nothing by John Marshall. You need that like 329 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: right by your beach town. There you go. I I 330 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: believe I'm that's the only time I can read John. 331 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: You know you're busting me on me for not reading. Literally, 332 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: the beach is the only place I can read if 333 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: I try to read in bed at night, two kids Now, John, 334 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: Two kids Now? John? Obviously with thirty seconds, I don't. 335 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: I don't know how you can do to You know 336 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: who I was talking to the other day. I was 337 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: talking to Oh my lord, why am I having well, 338 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: why am I forgetting I was talking to oh, and 339 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: I paused for so long that I'm not sure I 340 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: even want to say the name that looks bad If 341 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: you say James Hurst. If you say James Hurst, I 342 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: swear to God, I'm telling them immediately. Yeah. I haven't 343 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: talked to James and n for ever. But it's strange 344 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: the guys that I end up talking to a lot 345 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: from the NFL now that I'm retired. Like James and 346 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: I we just like almost earthly ever tump at home 347 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: and there's a guy that helped a lot more. But 348 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: I am not going to say who I was about 349 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: to say, because I forgot for too long. But I 350 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: was talking to one of my friends who sort of 351 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: who played in the league at Baltimore, who has a 352 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: bunch of kids, and you know, I have enough trouble 353 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: with one. I can't imagine how like some people have 354 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: large families of you know, like four or five and 355 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: and more. It's just, yeah, I I couldn't handle that. Yeah, Yeah, 356 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: I did see a comment you made about Marcia. Yeah, 357 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: and there a lot of people have come and go 358 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: on that you've been left, but yond is still here 359 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: playing obviously the high level the Ravens are unreasonably fortunately, 360 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: I think you was to have a player like him, Um, 361 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: having played you know with him on the same line, Um, 362 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: what about him? What things about him made him unique 363 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: in your eyes? Um, as a player and maybe even 364 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: as a person too. No, he's uh, he's just the best. 365 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't know how to explain it. 366 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: He's he's amazing at what he does. He is you know, Yeah, 367 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: he's just he's literally the best. Like, I don't know 368 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: how else to put this other than to like keep 369 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: repeatedly saying he is the best. And I'm telling you, 370 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: like Baltimore is so lucky that you guys have. By 371 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: the way, Ryan sim you know, yeah, I know we're 372 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: going off on tangents, but I'm really just I'm taking 373 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: this podcast as an opportunity to catch up with you, dude. 374 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: It's true. I mean, you know this, this is my 375 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: condition for coming on everyone thinking the whole Like, didn't 376 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: her real sounds go somewhere? Where did he go? Did 377 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: he he left? Right? Yes, he went to Arizona. How 378 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: did that go? Like? How did how did people take that? Like? 379 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: What was the environment. I'm really internally or or the fans. 380 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: BO was like both. I'm just really curious. It was shocking. 381 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think everybody thought that he would finish 382 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: his career here like like rated. So yeah, I mean, 383 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: I guess he wants to go back home, but how 384 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: does like how do how does dands feel about it? 385 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: I think shocked. It was like a band aid. It 386 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: was just like, I mean, they're all these stories, you know, 387 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: like Joe was obviously leaving, and so it was like 388 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: everybody knew. Dude, my god, John John, John John, you 389 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: gotta get your head out of the textbook every once 390 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: in a while. Dude, Listen, I'm telling you. You don't understand. 391 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: I am not following pro football right now. We believe 392 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: I just I really like I am. You know, I 393 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: want you to like everybody I'm talking to, you know, 394 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: when I'm talking around like the water cooler, like people 395 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: start talking about like, hey, did you hear Joe Flacco 396 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: is now playing for the you knows Brocos never Brocot. 397 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: I heard Chargers. Oh wait, I heard San Diego Chargers. 398 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: Did you literally say yeah, no, no, no no, there and 399 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: there's a Los Angeles Chargers. There you go there in 400 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: l A. The Raiders are now in Las Vegas. I'm 401 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: aware of these things. I know stuff. Well they're not 402 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: there yet, but sure they're going. Oh they aren't there yet. 403 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: Oh see, I don't know stuff. But I thought they were. 404 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: I thought they were in Vegas. I guess that was wrong. 405 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is like around the water cooler, 406 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: like at work. You know, we're not talking about that. 407 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: We're talking about like you know, what's happening in the 408 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: bath world, Like you know what's happening in the science world, 409 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: Like oh, so one took a picture of a black hole, 410 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: like oh, that's cool. Stuff like that, yeah, or like this, uh, 411 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, all this news about this ABC conjecture, like 412 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of fighting going on here. It's pretty 413 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: it's pretty, uh a lot of a lot of you know, 414 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: it's pretty like Reality TV was it wasn't the black 415 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: hole thing was a m I T right. Oh, that's 416 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: a good question. I don't know. Actually, I'm pretty sure 417 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: that I really just don't, like I don't know why 418 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: I should pretend like I just don't really know about 419 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: current events about anything, you know, I don't know what 420 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: this is, like the answers you would give you when 421 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: you were a player here, it's also suddenly i'd say, hey, John, Hey, 422 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: how much math do you study during the season. Oh? 423 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh I don't know. Hey John, didn't 424 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: I see you looking at a textbook while you're flying 425 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: back from the game. Oh I don't know. I don't 426 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: know nothing about that. I don't remember that. Yeah, exactly, exactly, 427 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: tell us, Yeah, tell us once and for all, John, 428 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: how much math were you doing in the NFL? Yeah? 429 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: When I said, you know, I just I don't have 430 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: a good memory, like I don't. I just I don't know. 431 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well John, uh and everybody. This is for everybody. 432 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: Get mine and matter A life in Math and Football. 433 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: Story by John Marshall, co written with Louisa Thomas. Get 434 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: it at your local bookstory, which I totally support. Is 435 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: it on the is it on the Amazon? Or you 436 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: just like to give the little guy a shout out. 437 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: I like to give the little guy shout out. I mean, 438 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a bookstore type of person. I like the 439 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: little bookstores. But you know, if you're if you're healing, lady, 440 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: just get it from the hammag and just get it 441 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: and yeah, and you know on the Hammagon name of 442 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: this really cool function where you know, instead of one, 443 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: you can get ten and uh, it's like a really 444 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: cool feature. Like trust me, it's like it's quite interesting. 445 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: And I'll read it as soon as as soon as 446 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: you mail with my free copy. All right, we got 447 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: a deal. Yeah, that's not happening. Go on, man, go on, John, 448 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: that's not happening. That's not happening. Don't visit your little bookstore. Ryan. Well, 449 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: this has been one of the more unique podcast interviews. 450 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, John. Good catch up with you, buddy. Absolutely, 451 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: I'll catch you what you think? Oh applause, fancy all right, Well, 452 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: good stuff from John. Uh spent most of his time 453 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: just really on me. Tell me he's gonna send robots 454 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: to my front door to take me out. Oh yeah, 455 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: one of the more interesting interviews we've done. But certainly 456 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: appreciate John coming on absolutely. Uh a unique individual in 457 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: many ways. Uh and yeah, obviously I think that uh, 458 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, the math world certainly has a guy who uh, 459 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking forward to some of the stuff 460 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: that we might hear about John Art doing in the 461 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: coming year. It's actually really interesting yeah, for sure. When 462 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: I saw that this book came out, I was like, huh, 463 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: I thought that John will wait till he like solved 464 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: all the world's problems with math, because I know that's coming. 465 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: I have full confidence of this guy. I'll I'll say this, 466 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: I'll put money on the table right now that there's 467 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: volume two coming. Oh yeah, oh yeah, because John Ersh 468 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: is going to do big things in this world and 469 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: he's gonna have a lot more to write about it, 470 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: young man, exactly. So really happen for John? Glad that 471 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: his life has only continued to get better, and uh 472 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: wish for a lot of things, good things for him 473 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: to come before we leave Garrison here. So I should 474 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: probably also do the when Garrett gets back. But did 475 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: Garrett mentioned anything to you, Cliff about how I once 476 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: again beat him in the Ravens seven round mock draft? 477 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: He mentioned that I shouldn't mention it exactly exactly, but 478 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: we both knew full well that you would. That's right, 479 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: that's right. I'm out of material. Leave and what do 480 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: you think? How do you think I reacted with that 481 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: Justice Hill came Pick came across, and I had predicted 482 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: that one we thought we heard a faint scream coming 483 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: from from and I saw Garrett's head go down exactly exactly. 484 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: And I told Joe Ortis on this very podcast that 485 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: I expected the Ravens to pick Marquise Hollywood Brown in 486 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: the first round. Boom. So there's that. You should play 487 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: poker with George. There you go, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, 488 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: after that, I have to do it again when Garretts 489 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: gets back. So sorry to all your listeners, gonna have 490 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: to hear that twice. But with that, we will wrap 491 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: it up and we'll be back with you next week. 492 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: As always, you can find us an email us at 493 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot NEM. Thanks for listening. 494 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: We'll be back for the next week.