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Speaker 1: What is up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Up Podcast. A little bit of a

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Speaker 1: different look from both me and James. We have to

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Speaker 1: do this once a year when we're just never even

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Speaker 1: remotely in the same place. I'm in Puerto Rico. James,

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Speaker 1: you're still in Vietnam.

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Speaker 2: Still in Vietnam for another few days.

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Speaker 1: Okay, still in Vietnam for another few days. Spring training

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Speaker 1: has started. Pictures and catchers have reported. We actually have

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Speaker 1: some baseball things talk about. David Stearns addressed the media.

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Speaker 1: Peter A Lonzo's official Carlos Mendoza said, a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna go through all the news as well

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Speaker 1: as we have a special guest. At the end of

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Speaker 1: the episode, Jeff Ponce of Baseball America joins us to

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Speaker 1: go over their top thirty prospect lists for the Mets

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Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty five. So make sure you stick

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Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok. All right, James, where do we want

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Speaker 1: to start it? What news do we want to tackle first?

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Speaker 3: I think we guys just run through media availability from

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Speaker 3: David Stirr's media availability from Carls Mendoza, because we got

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Speaker 3: a lot of stuff as spring training has begun. All

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Speaker 3: the reporters down there Port Saint Lucy shy either got

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Speaker 3: Tim Healy with the late breaking news that there's now

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Speaker 3: waffle house to Port Saint Lucy, which is helly acid development.

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Speaker 3: But we got a lot of stuff, so I think

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Speaker 3: we should just go kind of speed round. Stop us

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Speaker 3: at any bus stop, You stop me at any point,

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Speaker 3: I stop you at any point. Just every single piece of

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Speaker 3: news that's come out. I think the biggest thing that's

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Speaker 3: being talked about a lot is kode A Sanga Kodeisanga.

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Speaker 3: There was kind of there was kind of a good

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Speaker 3: and a bad in the same sentence with Kodai Sanga

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Speaker 3: being ready for spring training, that he is healthy, but

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Speaker 3: he's going to ramp up slowly, which I think is

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Speaker 3: totally fine. And then there was a reporter or a

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Speaker 3: comment that he's felt healthy and normal since January, which

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Speaker 3: to mean does not so fine. Why was he not

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Speaker 3: healthy until January? What was going on between October and January?

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Speaker 3: The call that did not feel healthy and normal?

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Speaker 1: I totally feel like there could just be a like

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Speaker 1: a difference in how like he goes about his offseason

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Speaker 1: as well, maybe as towards other players, or just how

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Speaker 1: a Japanese players offseason can go based on how they

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Speaker 1: played in Japan, where maybe he was just like I

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Speaker 1: didn't pick up a ball in November and December, Like

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Speaker 1: I have no clue because I take those months off completely.

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Speaker 1: I picked them up in January, felt good. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you were wrong on this one, but you were

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Speaker 1: kind of right last year with code I a lot,

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Speaker 1: so uh hopefully hopefully the James Jinks is good on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's just so important to this team, Like

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Speaker 3: he is the closest thing we have to true number

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Speaker 3: one this staff. He's the guy with by far the

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Speaker 3: most upside in this pitching rotation. Like he kind of

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Speaker 3: has to be healthy and really good for this team

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Speaker 3: to get where they want to get, which is winning

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Speaker 3: a division and beating the Dodgers, Like that's those are

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Speaker 3: Next thing is some really basic stuff that I would

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Speaker 3: Thank god, he was the best way off in their

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Speaker 3: baseball last year besides for the guy the Dodgers and

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Speaker 3: he and he he's great there. And but Mendoza wouldn't

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Speaker 3: I think was interesting, but I also think that's just normal.

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Speaker 3: He's he's never been up close to personal on the

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Speaker 3: watching Wanso to play baseball, so I think once he

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Speaker 3: classic spring training pretict the Mets line up maybe in

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Speaker 3: the Mets can layer this up between with londorn Soos

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Speaker 3: you could basically put those guys inn the order and

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Speaker 3: fascinated to know how the Mets wind up putting that together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw something on Twitter today where mentioned how

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Speaker 1: It might make more sense for a dude like Pete

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Speaker 1: Alonso or Mark Viento's to be there, Guys who can

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Speaker 1: So that also could have just been like them being like, hey,

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Speaker 1: a lot about defensive positioning Mendoza. He mentioned that Jeff

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Speaker 1: believe Madrigal will also be taking reps at second base.

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Speaker 1: Madrigal seems to be the Jose Galasias replacement. We saw

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Speaker 1: he took number eleven. We saw David Sturt say that

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Speaker 1: I know he took number eleven. The David Cerns said

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Speaker 1: is just not making sense right now. They want roster flexibility,

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Speaker 1: try Acunya at third base during spring training, which I

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Speaker 1: also thought was super interesting spot. That obviously makes sense

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also never played there before ever.

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Speaker 3: And I'm pulling up his baseball spot right now to

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Speaker 3: that needs to happen, and then if that, if you

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Speaker 2: That doesn't happen.

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Speaker 3: Kuni did not have a great arm at short stop

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Speaker 3: last fine arm. Yeah, he averaged eighty six miles an hour,

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Speaker 3: So I guess that's that's good. It is not great,

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Speaker 3: think it's actually better than for Cisco Lindor. But but

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Speaker 3: going to take Quark Vantras out of the game like

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Speaker 3: he will do that. Jose Glaze has got and tons

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Speaker 3: and tons of reps at third base in late in games,

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Speaker 3: because again, you don't want to ball go through Mark

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Speaker 3: Vanzos's likes with the game online, which is which is fair.

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Speaker 3: So I think that if mccunia can prove he can

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Speaker 3: that's kind of the trump card for each guy. Or

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Speaker 3: because there's probably something to the fact that Acuna will

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Speaker 3: me personally, kind of changed a little bit what I

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Speaker 3: just seeing that power, See how much he lifts the ball,

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Speaker 3: he was defensively. So maybe he's so good he forced

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Speaker 3: his way onto the roster, But if not, I'm really

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Speaker 3: okay with Magical being on this team so we can

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Speaker 3: just play every day a triple A.

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Speaker 1: It's funny how Ronnie Maurizio, as we now know, is

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Speaker 1: It seems like he's a month away from game actions.

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Speaker 1: He would be the perfect guy right now to fill

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Speaker 1: defensively too. I don't know how much better at third

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Speaker 1: So maybe I'm kind of overstating how he could that

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Speaker 3: And it makes sense because you only you only have

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Speaker 3: of those bench spots is catcher that's gone. The Mets

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Speaker 3: Jose Sierri whoever's not playing center, and Starling Marte. Because

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Speaker 3: we had nothing to do with Starling Martes. He's just

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Speaker 3: going to be on a team. Mendoz also mentioned how

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Speaker 3: this is going to be an experience for Starling Marte

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Speaker 3: He's saying he's the first bat off the bench, like

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Speaker 3: like the push and poll with Marte making sure we

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Speaker 3: that they also said while Mariso is doing baseball activities,

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Speaker 3: he's a full month away from game action. So him

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Speaker 3: He could definitely be on this team on May first

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Speaker 3: or May fifteenth, just like we saw Viento's last year

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Speaker 3: before his is white, but he's not gonna be there. Also,

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Speaker 3: World the World last couple of days. I wrote up

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Speaker 3: their Mets preview this week. Since Rodan Mariso debuted and

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Speaker 3: he hit that one hundred and seventeen point three mile

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Speaker 3: an hour hot shot that we watched against the Mariners.

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Speaker 3: Only ten players in baseball hit the ball harder than

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Speaker 3: Ronny Mauricio. And it's name Judge Stanton de la Cruz,

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Speaker 3: o'neo Cruz, like it's a Vlad Guerrero, like it's William

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Speaker 3: can Terrera's like it's the guys, guys and Haystu Sanchez,

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Speaker 3: stuff while maybe not not being that good. Also, something

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I'll be interested to see how they go

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Speaker 3: gave Clay Holmes a contract where they pushed all of

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Speaker 3: his money one year in the future, and I think

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Speaker 3: they think they're just gonna see if they're good. If

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Speaker 3: they're bad, then oh Mike Michael King, jesus A Clay

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Speaker 3: Holmes was that was a good That was a good

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Speaker 3: Ford the and slipper Yankee Yankee relieved that becomes a

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Speaker 3: star there. But I just think I think they really

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Speaker 3: want to win. I think this team is really built

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Speaker 3: to win. Like they're not going to trade a good

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Speaker 3: picture if they don't think they're good. I think they're

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Speaker 3: going to give themselves a few months to see if

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Speaker 3: they're good. I mean, unless they're unless they're actually crazy,

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Speaker 3: and maybe they are crazy. Maybe they do trade Dillon Sees,

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Speaker 3: but again, if they do, it is probably not gonna

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Speaker 3: be to the Mets. Probably could be to the American

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Speaker 3: League because yeah, they're like, we're going to compete with

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Speaker 3: the Mets. So he's going to be an Oiel or

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Speaker 3: he's going to be a Padre most likely. So I

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Speaker 3: just don't I'm just going to throw more cold water

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Speaker 3: on the Seas trade rumors because David Stearns did double

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Speaker 3: down and say, like in his media fatability, the team

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Speaker 3: the Mets have now is likely the team we're going

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Speaker 3: to have. He's always going to be coy and we

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Speaker 3: can never really take the word completely upfront with any

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Speaker 3: baseball executive, but we said that last episode does seem

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Speaker 3: like this.

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Speaker 2: Is the team.

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Speaker 3: It seems like these are the guys, the guys here,

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Speaker 3: the guys here, unless something crazy happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean puts a nice bow on the

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Speaker 1: end of the MLB off season. I think we can

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Speaker 1: officially say the m and B off season is over.

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Speaker 1: It is now spring training. All the big guys have signed,

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Speaker 1: everybody's there, Pete A. Lonzo is officially a met and uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Is there anything else we gotta talk

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Speaker 1: about before you go to Baseball America. I'm trying to think.

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Speaker 2: I want to do.

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Speaker 3: I want to do two minutes on David Stearns going

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Speaker 3: up Pablo Torre's podcast because oh yes, incredible insight into

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Speaker 3: who he is as a guy, because Sternce and Torre

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Speaker 3: are good friends. They've been for instance, they were freshmen

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Speaker 3: together at Harvard and wrote together for The Crimson. I

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Speaker 3: think it's called The Crimson, which is the Harvard school paper,

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Speaker 3: which is apparently a big deal, right for that paper, and

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Speaker 3: they're writing on his freshman and Pablo told a story

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Speaker 3: about Stearns. He said his first ever article was completely

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Speaker 3: bashing the Harvard men's hockey team.

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Speaker 2: He is the fact that maybe.

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Speaker 3: A Harvard student who are going to the hockey games,

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Speaker 3: maybe we're just going to the arena at the wrong time,

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Speaker 3: Like maybe instead of giving the lifeless like sleeping like

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Speaker 3: I think he said the Harvard men's hockey team was

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Speaker 3: a better sleep at aid than Nike will maybe we

487
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Speaker 3: should be going to watch the women's team instead, and

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Speaker 3: gave a lot of credit to how good the women's

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Speaker 3: team was playing. And then he went to the hockey

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Speaker 3: practice the next day and he said he was standing

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Speaker 3: behind the glass and he said the team continuously fired

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Speaker 3: shots missing the net at him directly behind the glass.

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Speaker 3: And then and then he said that he just did

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Speaker 3: that because he grew up reading and taking in New

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Speaker 3: York sports media. And he was like, I thought that

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Speaker 3: was what you did as a journalist, just completely shit

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Speaker 3: on teams, and then he.

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Speaker 2: Went on to go, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Pablo went on to talk a lot about like Sterns

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Speaker 3: as a guy, and like invoked a lot of what

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Speaker 3: the Mets did last year and how exciting they were.

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Speaker 3: Was pabul grew up yeke fan, We're Sterns is a

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Speaker 3: Mets fan. And Sterns said, like he grew up sports

504
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Speaker 3: radio every single day, Mike and the Mad Dog, Steve Summers,

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Speaker 3: Eddie Coleman, all that, and he said that the Mets

506
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Speaker 3: people had to explain to him last year who Grimmas was,

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Speaker 3: but he grew up like and Pablo was like, you

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Speaker 3: didn't know who Grimmos was, but you knew Steve Summers was.

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Speaker 3: Sterns was like absolutely, and I was like, that is

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Speaker 3: that's exactly who we're unning my baseball team.

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Speaker 2: Like that's the yes, he was all.

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Speaker 3: I also never knew that Stearns was an intern with

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Speaker 3: the Cyclones after his first or second year at Harvard.

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Speaker 3: He said part of the intern job was a was

515
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Speaker 3: powerwashing the bathroom after games. So the bathroom Kingspan Park

516
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Speaker 3: like he could have been powerwashing like a young ten

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Speaker 3: year old James's piss off the floor at that bathroom. David,

518
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Speaker 3: he said he was like pulling tarbs. He's doing all

519
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Speaker 3: the same stuff that Keith rad told us about working

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Speaker 3: the minor leagues. And also just for anyone who's like

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Speaker 3: trying to get a job in any field, especially in sports.

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Speaker 3: David Stearns, who's one of the youngest executives head lead

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Speaker 3: executives in the history of the game, say he didn't

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Speaker 3: have a job or any offers when he graduated from

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Speaker 3: Harvard in two thousand and eight. So there's a long

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Speaker 3: process to go about. This is then there's a lot

527
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Speaker 3: of different ways to find to find what you want

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Speaker 3: to be in life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, check back in a twenty thirty eight. Maybe James

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Speaker 1: Gianno will be in the front office. Who knows.

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Speaker 2: Fuck No, I missed that opportunity a couple of years ago, but.

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Speaker 1: Also podcaster, is that right?

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Speaker 2: He said that.

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Speaker 3: He said that when he got the official offer from

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Speaker 3: the Mets, he just had a DOCU signed document and

536
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Speaker 3: he just clicked the button to signed his name up,

537
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Speaker 3: like just like you and I didn't we work for

538
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Speaker 3: the Mets, which is crazy. And he did a lot

539
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Speaker 3: to talk about, like his pinch me moments from getting

540
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Speaker 3: the Mets shop. He said, Darryl Strawberry texted him and

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Speaker 3: like congratulations. He was like making connections of guys. He said,

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Speaker 3: Strawberry signs off all his text messages with the Strawberry emoji,

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Speaker 3: which I thought was cute, a smart nice And then

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Speaker 3: he said, like he said Strawberry, David Wright, and John

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Speaker 3: Franco were like those were his three pinchery moments, like

546
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Speaker 3: getting to know those guys, which is such a funny

547
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Speaker 3: list of four names for like a New York City

548
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Speaker 3: kid Mets fan born in the eighties, Like.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was amazing.

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Speaker 3: And then he talked a lot about just to end

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Speaker 3: this year before we get onto Jeff, to show those

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Speaker 3: stuff from this offseason, and how unique of a free

553
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Speaker 3: agent so though was He said the fact that in

554
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Speaker 3: terms of generational types of contracts, you have to you

555
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Speaker 3: have one shot to do this. You have one shot

556
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Speaker 3: to shoot, which kind of throw us some cold water

557
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Speaker 3: on Vlagurear next year. He said, there aren't a lot

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Speaker 3: of comparisons to so though, when you have to go

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Speaker 3: back eighty to one hundred years to find the comparison,

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Speaker 3: that tells you all you need to know, and he

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Speaker 3: specifically mentioned the fact of how good he is, how

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Speaker 3: young he is, the fact that he's already performed well

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Speaker 3: in New York, and the fact that he's already performed

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Speaker 3: really well in the biggest stage, citing the fact that

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Speaker 3: he's played in multiple World Series, won the World Series,

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Speaker 3: been one of the best postseason hitters of the entire generation,

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Speaker 3: So all that stuff's cool. He also said the fact

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Speaker 3: that money is an advantage for a big market team,

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Speaker 3: but only advantage you spend it wisely and not freeze

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Speaker 3: your roster by spending in the wrong places, and said

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Speaker 3: that he felt with the Brewers that he, as the

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Speaker 3: small market team, had a bit of an advantage over

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Speaker 3: some of the big market teams that had bladed payrolls

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Speaker 3: because he was able to evaluate his roster in real time,

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Speaker 3: stay flexible and make more changes more quickly when he

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Speaker 3: needed to.

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Speaker 2: And he also said this was a funny quote. Sixteen

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Speaker 2: year old version of me probably thinks I'm doing a

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Speaker 2: really shitty job so far.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 3: That's good like that, And they said very few things

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Speaker 3: in life rouled me up, but when I'm watching the Knicks,

583
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Speaker 3: I get really riled up.

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Speaker 2: So that was another good thing about like one of us, one.

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Speaker 1: Of us, he's one of us. I love it every

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Speaker 1: David searns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone should listen to that, that interview of Pobulatory. So

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Speaker 2: it's funny.

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Speaker 3: I don't listen to many like I putting air quotes

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Speaker 3: real podcasts, like I always tell you, I feel like

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Speaker 3: digital media changed a lot, like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 3: and like Pablatory does a podcast with like like music

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Speaker 3: that comes over certain certain things that he's saying, like

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Speaker 3: he'll do a cutout of his own voice saying like

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Speaker 3: get ready for this coming up next, with like a

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Speaker 3: little outro music to the Adam Like It's it's very

597
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Speaker 3: funny listening to like that era of podcasts versus guys

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Speaker 3: like us who turn on the mics and just rip.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, podcasts from guys who came from television and like

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Speaker 1: traditional media, and then and then he incessant internet guys

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Speaker 1: like us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, turn on the mic and go. But I

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Speaker 2: think that's all I got. If you got anything else.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Uh. Pumped for pictures and catchers

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Speaker 1: excited to see the videos. Love seeing that. Basically everybody's

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Speaker 1: at spring training early with this team, it seems like

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Speaker 1: they're super pumped and excited. There's a lot of good

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Speaker 1: things coming as well as we've got some great stuff

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Speaker 1: in the pipeline the farm system. Here, let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and get into Jeff Ponce of Baseball America. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Mets fans. We are joined today with

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Speaker 1: a special guest, Jeff Ponce of Baseball America. For those

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Speaker 1: for joining us. We are super excited to talk about

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Speaker 1: the Mets farm system with you. First and foremost, what

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Speaker 1: do you what's your outlook right now of what the

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Speaker 1: Mets form system is looking like? Just in general?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's you know, it's in a pretty

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Speaker 4: good spot.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I think the pitching and just in terms of their

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Speaker 4: actual targeting in the draft, has been much improved over

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Speaker 4: the last couple of years. We've seen a lot more

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Speaker 4: college pitchers in particular, but guys that are taking step forward,

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Speaker 4: you know. I think some of that is obviously the

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Speaker 4: hires and the player development apartment over the last couple

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Speaker 4: of years. But I think it's a it's in a

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Speaker 4: fairly good spot, you know. I'd say it's probably more

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Speaker 4: like high mid tier, you know that it's probably closer

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Speaker 4: to ten than it is to fifteen, but a very

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Speaker 4: a very solid system and less.

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Speaker 3: Would you say that the Mets have improved on the

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Speaker 3: way they're targeting pitching in the last few years, What

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Speaker 3: specifically do you mean by that?

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Speaker 4: I think you just look at the type of guys

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Speaker 4: that they have, someone like Sprote, someone like McLain, you know,

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Speaker 4: prior to that Scott. College pitchers that have traits that

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Speaker 4: they know that they can improve, Guys that have feel

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Speaker 4: for spin, Guys that have feel you know, power, and

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Speaker 4: also you know, decent pitch shapes when it comes to

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Speaker 4: the secondary stuff, particularly the breaking balls. I just think

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Speaker 4: when you look at some of these pitchers, even guys

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Speaker 4: outside of the top ten, like Jonah Toong Tidwell, who

652
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Speaker 4: probably is more of a reliever long term, but I

653
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Speaker 4: think could be a pretty good one. And you know,

654
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Speaker 4: even a guy like Jonathan Santucci this year of interested

655
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Speaker 4: to see you know, what he does into the Mets tutelage.

656
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 4: So just mostly shopping in that you know, college pitcher bucket,

657
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Speaker 4: which I think is probably the better bucket to shop

658
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Speaker 4: in versus high school guys. Though you get a guy

659
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Speaker 4: like Tong that obviously you know, wasn't a huge bonus guy,

660
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Speaker 4: but a player that you could sign for a decent

661
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Speaker 4: number and you know, had some upside. But when you

662
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Speaker 4: look at all these pitchers that are kind of breaking out,

663
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 4: the guys that were most excited about, you know, I

664
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Speaker 4: think it tends to be that college pitching demographic. And

665
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Speaker 4: part of that reason I think it's it's it's a

666
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Speaker 4: good demographic to go after. Is those guys learn, you know,

667
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Speaker 4: how to go deep into games. They pitch in pressure environments.

668
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Speaker 4: People care if they win or lose those games. It's

669
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Speaker 4: not like the minor leagues where like, no one really

670
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Speaker 4: cares if wins outside of a couple of guys that

671
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Speaker 4: live in Binghamton, you know, more or less, like, I

672
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Speaker 4: want the good players to do well, right, So I

673
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Speaker 4: think that matters, and I think building up innings in

674
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Speaker 4: college also, you know, sort of portends the ability to

675
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Speaker 4: handle innings once you get into the pro ranks, and

676
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Speaker 4: you know, the more and more starters that we see

677
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Speaker 4: as they matriculate to the majors, I think, you know,

678
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Speaker 4: the guys that have a eighty ninety one hundred inning

679
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Speaker 4: season and in college baseball, you know, ultimately go a

680
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Speaker 4: long way.

681
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Speaker 1: So a guy like Noel McLean is a little bit

682
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Speaker 1: different than because in terms of college pitching, he was

683
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Speaker 1: more of a reliever. But yeah, you guys still have

684
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Speaker 1: him inside the top five of the Mets farm system

685
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Speaker 1: and inside your guys top one hundred on Baseball America.

686
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Speaker 1: What makes him kind of stand out right now amongst

687
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Speaker 1: the Mets pitching prospects to put him in that top

688
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Speaker 1: one hundred.

689
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think you could probably even sell

690
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Speaker 4: me that he could have a higher upside than sprout

691
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Speaker 4: two way guy. You know, I think he was recruited

692
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Speaker 4: for football as well, right, yes, so, and you know,

693
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 4: I think I think you look at that and you

694
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Speaker 4: sort of say, all right, like this is a guy

695
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Speaker 4: that maybe had a little bit lessenings in college, was

696
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 4: used more as a reliever because he was also a

697
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Speaker 4: pretty decent position player and a big power bat in

698
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Speaker 4: that Cowboys lineup. Now that he's fully focused on pitching,

699
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 4: he has the athleticism. He also has some traits besides,

700
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 4: you know, the power across his mix and the ability

701
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 4: to ramp that fastball up in the mid nineties. Beyond,

702
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: he's got incredible feel for spin. It's one of the

703
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 4: highest graded sliders in our entire you know, top thirty,

704
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 4: so over nine hundred players, and you know, I guess

705
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 4: the percentage of those guys that are pitchers are probably

706
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Speaker 4: about forty five percent. So it really puts him in

707
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: the upper echelon three thousand rpm spin rates. You know,

708
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 4: I know that in some instances we've gotten away from

709
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 4: just talking about the raw spin, maybe almost too too

710
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 4: much of a degree. It's still like an innate ability

711
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 4: to spin the baseball at that level. And this year,

712
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 4: you know, jumps multiple levels, handles one hundred and nine innings,

713
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 4: you know, struggle a little bit in Double A. But

714
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Speaker 4: I think overall, you sort of look at what his

715
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: track record is, what the stuff is like, and you know,

716
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Speaker 4: the quality of the Eastern League play for a first

717
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 4: full pro season, I thought that was pretty impressive and

718
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 4: could be a guy that, you know, with some steps

719
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Speaker 4: forward this year, could maybe be knocking on the door

720
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Speaker 4: by you know, August or September for sort of some

721
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Speaker 4: late season cup of coffee.

722
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Speaker 2: Switching gears a little bit.

723
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Speaker 3: The Mets have this collection of position players that have

724
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Speaker 3: either had a significant amount of playing time a Triple

725
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Speaker 3: A or have touched the major league level, between Ronnie

726
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Speaker 3: Mauricio Luis and Helicooni and Drew Gilbert. Which of those

727
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Speaker 3: guys do you see having the most impact on the

728
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Speaker 3: major league team this year and what is your best

729
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Speaker 3: case scenario, rosiest future outlook for that collection of players.

730
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think for me at least, and the fact

731
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Speaker 4: that he's back on the field and we saw some

732
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Speaker 4: video of that the other day with Mauricio is huge.

733
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Speaker 4: It was obviously a struggle coming back from that knee injury.

734
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Speaker 4: He had some more setbacks than you would anticipate. You know,

735
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Speaker 4: we're fairly familiar, I think, just as fans of sports

736
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 4: with you know, recovery from big knee injuries. So it

737
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 4: got a little a little wonky and late, you know

738
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Speaker 4: in this offseason where we were hearing like he's still

739
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: not back to baseball activity stuff like that. You know,

740
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Speaker 4: in terms of upside, he's got the most upside and

741
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, part of that is he's got impact.

742
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 4: He can hit the ball hard. You know, he's toolsy

743
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: and twitchy, can probably handle them multiple spots in the infield,

744
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 4: and just has athleticism that those other guys don't have.

745
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 4: When I look at somebody like Akunya, I don't know

746
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: if that's an everyday guy for a team that has

747
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: championship aspirations like the Mets do. I think he's more

748
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 4: of a utility player for them. Could be a pretty

749
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 4: good one, you know, situationally, can do a lot of

750
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 4: good things. I look at him more as like a

751
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 4: starting second division regular. He's a guy that's probably going

752
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 4: to be more on like the athletics and get four

753
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 4: hundred and five. I just don't see that happening this year.

754
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: You know, obviously, you know they've they've made some moves,

755
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 4: brought some people in as well that you know, there's

756
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Speaker 4: some competition for him. Drew Gilbert is another story. When

757
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: he was traded here. I covered the astro system as well.

758
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 4: When he was traded here, a lot of people internally,

759
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 4: you know, sort of had him behind Clifford and at

760
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 4: that point, like Gilbert still had a lot of helium,

761
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 4: you know from his college days, people had him behind Melton.

762
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 4: I think he's a really solid player. He's more of

763
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Speaker 4: a fourth outfielder. There isn't a ton of impact there.

764
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: He's a smaller guy, you know, I don't the power

765
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 4: has certainly gone away a little bit from what we

766
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 4: saw at Tennessee. I don't know if that was hot bats,

767
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: I don't know what it was, but he to me

768
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: seems more like a fourth outfielder. I saw him again

769
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Speaker 4: in AFL. Like I said, he does a lot of

770
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Speaker 4: things well it's quality at bats. He's not going to

771
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 4: totally kill you. But I don't know if that's a

772
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 4: player that you want to see get five hundred played

773
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 4: appearances based on how he's currently constituted. He adds a

774
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 4: little bit more power in the offseason, you know. I

775
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 4: think that that's probably the big question. Is there enough

776
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 4: impact here? He's a small guy. He's really not very big,

777
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 4: probably smaller than he's listed. Even so, Gilbert, for me,

778
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: he's in the top ten. I think there's some guys

779
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: outside of the top ten here that you could probably

780
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 4: I didn't do the order, but you could probably even

781
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 4: argue for Tong. You could argue for Christian Scott. Of course,

782
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 4: you could probably argue for Kidwell or even more Abido

783
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 4: potentially having more impact long term. I don't know. I

784
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 4: think that that Gilbert is kind of a tricky one.

785
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: What about a guy like Brett Baty. I know he

786
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: wasn't ranked on your Guys' list this year, but he's

787
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: been a top prospect in the Mets system for a

788
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: bunch of years. How much time should we give Brett

789
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: Batty to kind of figure it out at the major

790
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: league level?

791
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's another tough spot because you know,

792
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 4: you're a competitive team with championship aspirations. You know, Steve

793
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 4: Cohen has spent a lot of money on that team,

794
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 4: but there's some gaps to fill in, and I think

795
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 4: some of that was maybe subpar drafting under the previous regime,

796
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 4: So you don't, you know, have that depth. It takes

797
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: a while to build those guys back up. I think

798
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 4: we've kind of seen that with the Red Sox. It

799
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 4: was very similar in terms of, you know, the last

800
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 4: couple of years, even under Bloom what they drafted better

801
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 4: than they did under Jambrowski. So I think that's kind

802
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 4: of the big question mark is it's like, all right,

803
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 4: like you have a decent amount of players here, how

804
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 4: many of these guys are actually going to be everyday regulars?

805
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 4: And I think we kind of get outside of like

806
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 4: the top five, really the top five, maybe six or seven,

807
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 4: because Carson Ben is pretty interesting. I don't know, I mean,

808
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: it's it's really tough to think about how a guy

809
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 4: like Beaty is going to fit into the big picture

810
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 4: because he does need time. I think in a lot

811
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: of ways, he's kind of the classic like change of

812
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: scenery candidate candidate that you know he ends up someplace else.

813
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a challenge to trade somebody else that's struggling

814
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 4: but fits your team a little bit better, and you

815
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 4: make that swap, or you even trade down to a

816
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 4: younger player that doesn't have you know, Rule five decisions

817
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 4: coming up for a couple of years and kind of

818
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 4: backfill a little bit, because you know you're going to

819
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 4: have to go and get somebody at the major league

820
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: level that's going to have to be able to play

821
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 4: every day, play, you know, an averager better third base,

822
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 4: which is a big question mark with Beaty, and I

823
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: think he just needs time in the major leagues. He

824
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 4: needs to adjust. Guys over those first like five to

825
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: six hundred and seven hundred played appearances at the major

826
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 4: league level, there's a lot is a big learning curve,

827
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 4: and I don't think the I think the learning curve

828
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 4: has never been bigger. In terms of hitters between Triple

829
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: A and the majors, the gap is huge. I think

830
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 4: the Autozones didn't do those guys any favors because they

831
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 4: could be overly passive and there were pitches that are

832
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 4: going to be called strikes that aren't called strikes, and

833
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 4: you can do the whole head tap thing. Now that

834
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: the challenge system is there, and it's like, you know,

835
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: I saw times where it was, you know, a quarter

836
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 4: of an inch off the plate. You can't eye that.

837
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 4: That's a strike historically, and if you look at how

838
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 4: much the strike zones have shrunk over the last ten

839
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 4: to fifteen years versus what they were in the early

840
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 4: part of the century and the late nineties, it's getting

841
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: harder and harder. So those guys got a significant advantage

842
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 4: from using that. I think it's helped the pitchers on

843
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 4: the opposite side that they've settled into the major leagues

844
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 4: a little bit better because they kind of know where

845
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 4: they can hit and where they can't, and they get

846
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 4: a little bit more leeway. So I think he's one

847
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 4: of those guys that ripped up Triple A. There was

848
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 4: some advantage there. I think he moved a little bit

849
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 4: faster than he needed to because he was an older

850
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: high school player, and there's there's always you know, teams

851
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 4: are a little bit wary of anybody who's, you know,

852
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 4: nineteen years old in the day of the draft. But

853
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 4: I think ultimately this is a big this is a

854
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 4: big camp for him. If he shows that he's taken

855
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 4: some steps forward as a hitter, that he's gotten to

856
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: even like a fringe average level as a defender, and

857
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 4: you know it's really in the mix for that third

858
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 4: base job, then I think you could cement himself. The

859
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 4: tools are deaf there. There's definitely power. He's always been

860
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 4: able to hit. But I think it is a matter

861
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 4: of kind of getting the sea legs under at the

862
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: major league level, and you need consistent a bats. It

863
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 4: can't be you're in, you know, and you're getting three

864
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 4: or more bats this day, then you're sitting for three

865
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: days and you're getting back in. It's really hard to

866
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 4: find a rhythm like that.

867
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: We make the joke on the show sometimes that if

868
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: Brett Bayy's name was Fred Frady and he was a

869
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: player on the Mariners and the Mets need the cheap

870
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: option of corner infield, he'd be the perfect biolo and

871
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 3: see if you could get something out of it. But

872
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: it's just it's a spot where it's probably the team

873
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: just has too much hope to really take the shot

874
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 3: on him and see if he becomes this late bloomer,

875
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: but so opposite of a late bloomer. The Mets made

876
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: a big splash this year in the international signing period,

877
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: the biggest bonus I've ever given out to Elli and Panya.

878
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: And we see the tools you guys have ranked on him,

879
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: the crazy hit tool. See people in the interwebs compound

880
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 3: to a players like Rafael Devers and it's like there's

881
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 3: a moment where you probably start to get really excited,

882
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: but also have to pump the brakes a little bit.

883
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: Give us a very preliminary scatting Portfoili pain and why

884
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: Mets fans should be excited about this guy.

885
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know, above average hitting ability, above

886
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 4: average power, maybe even in like a plus power at

887
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 4: some point, you know, and I think that, you know,

888
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 4: we're a little conservative with some of these grades versus

889
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 4: what you'll get from international scouts that are actually on

890
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 4: the ground. You know, guys that get five million dollars.

891
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 4: It's usually especially the track record of the guys at

892
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: the top of the class over the last several years

893
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 4: have been pretty good. You know, there haven't been a

894
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 4: ton of bus There's been some guys that have dealt

895
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 4: with injuries and things like that, but I think just overall,

896
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: when you get into that upper echelon of like those

897
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: top two to three players in the international market. Typically

898
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: we fast forward two years into the future, and those

899
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 4: guys are easy top you know, one hundred prospects, sometimes

900
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 4: creeping in the top fifty, sometimes the best prospects in

901
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: the game. I tend to be a big believer in

902
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 4: the international market produces the best players in the majors,

903
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 4: particularly on the position side. So I think you look overall,

904
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 4: it's a guy who could you know, stick in the infield.

905
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not shortstop, Maybe he does move to third base.

906
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 4: He's got a plus armor already that's going to play

907
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 4: on that side of the diamond. That's going to give

908
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 4: him opportunities to stick at third base or shortstop long term.

909
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: Not a burner, but I think you're looking at you know,

910
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 4: if you're looking at the ceiling here, it's could be

911
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 4: an above average hitter that hits for average, gets on base,

912
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: and has twenty five to thirty home run pop.

913
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: Is there a guy outside the top fifteen right now

914
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: on your guys list that you think has a good

915
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: chance to maybe jump jump into the top five in

916
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: the next year or two for the Mets.

917
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the one you probably call out is

918
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 4: is Jeremy Rodriguez. You know, a guy that they acquired

919
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 4: for Tommy fam great deal a couple of years ago.

920
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 4: You know, made his is his state side debut in

921
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 4: the Florida Complex League in twenty twenty four. You know,

922
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 4: showed pretty well. I think he actually ranked six in

923
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 4: the FCL and hits. You know, more of a hit

924
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 4: tool guy, but it's an above average hit tool, kind

925
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 4: of fringe average power, but maybe more that could potentially come.

926
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 4: You know, the issues with him are just hitting the

927
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: ball harder, hitting it more consistently, makes a lot of contact.

928
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 4: Sometimes with these young sort of contact hitters, they'll sort

929
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 4: of trade a little bit of power to consistently get hits.

930
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 4: He could grow into that, and you know, I think

931
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 4: has a chance to stick in the infield as well.

932
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 4: So I think you look at Rodriguez in a lot

933
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 4: of other systems. He's probably a little bit higher, but

934
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: definitely the one for me when I'm looking outside of

935
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: this this top fifteen and not cheating with a guy

936
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 4: like Santucci who was fifteen until we added pen a

937
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 4: week ago, I think he's one. I think, you know,

938
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: you could probably call out Marco Vargas as well. Both

939
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 4: really good jobs by the Mets scouting in terms of

940
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 4: going out and acquiring high upside young players who are

941
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 4: far away from the forty man rosters, so you don't

942
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 4: have to make force any decisions. You have time to

943
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 4: develop those guys and you know, give them a little

944
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: bit more runway. And I think those are the guys

945
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 4: that two years down the road can pay dividends when

946
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 4: they're top ten prospects and they're either trade assets or

947
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 4: they're a guy that you're looking at in your fan

948
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 4: base dis clamor and saying, hey, this guy could be

949
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 4: up in the you know, the next couple of months

950
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 4: and could help the team. So I know that was

951
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 4: a big focus of you know, Cohen when he took

952
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: over the team was kind of rebuilding the farm system

953
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 4: as well. He understands the business value of that, right,

954
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 4: not only from it saves you some money and the

955
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 4: ability to pay stars in the open market, it also

956
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 4: allows you to go out and get players when you

957
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: need to reinforce your team down the stretch, and they've

958
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: done a good job of that.

959
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: It's so encouraging to hear people like you and other

960
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: people in the industry you cover prospects for a living

961
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 3: in minor leagues. Say give us a confidence to Steve Cohen.

962
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: This regime, players, development scothings all improving. But Jeff, thank

963
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: you again. Want to get you out of your one

964
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 3: quick last question. You and I are in a couple

965
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: of dynasty leagues together, the Devil's Rejects, the Baseball America

966
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: Dynasty League. We're in the Rodal World mock draft right now.

967
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: I know a big diasy fantasy baseball player. Of course

968
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 3: you are as well. Who's one player right now for

969
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: people in dynasty leagues that's incredibly undervalue that maybe you

970
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 3: go out and make a trade for before the season

971
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 3: starts and you could you could reap the rewards this summer.

972
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: Oof.

973
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's put me on the spot right now. But yeah,

974
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 4: I think you know, it sort of depends. I mean,

975
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 4: if you're in in in a deeper dynasty league, I

976
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: think you know, always shopping in the international market is

977
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 4: a good spot to go, meaning you're in you're in

978
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 4: a league where you can hold prospects for a couple

979
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 4: of years. You know, I think some of the guys

980
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 4: that you know want to moss from the Cubs is

981
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 4: a really interesting one. Some of the guys at the

982
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 4: top of the international class as well paying you kind

983
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 4: of being one. You can get those guys for a

984
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 4: lot cheaper because there are managers typically in your league

985
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 4: who are a little bit scared to invest in a

986
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 4: younger player. I don't mind it. I like grabbing those guys.

987
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 4: I'll hold on and be patient for a year, and

988
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 4: then like a year from now, those are the guys

989
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 4: that make big jumps. They have the tools, they have

990
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 4: the upside. As I said earlier, I think when you're

991
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: shopping in the international market, I do that. I kind

992
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: of model the same thing. I mean, like my thirty

993
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 4: teen league. You look at all my hitters, every single

994
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 4: one of them is either from Venezuela. So I always

995
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 4: think that's an undervalued area because people get a little

996
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 4: nervous because, yeah, like those guys can turn out to

997
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 4: be nothing. If that's the case, you probably didn't invest

998
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 4: a whole lot in them. You can dump those guys

999
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 4: in a second and go and add whoever the hot

1000
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 4: prospect is off of the wire. So I think those

1001
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 4: are the names to keep in mind.

1002
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: Jeff. As always, thank you once again for joining US

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00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,399
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Speaker 4: One you two man. Thanks all right.

1009
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,040
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