WEBVTT - TV Moments That Changed The World

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here too. And this is the first

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<v Speaker 2>episode of the two double two six.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought there was already another episode out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this is the first one, Chuck. I think this

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<v Speaker 2>comes out on one to one.

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<v Speaker 1>Really twenty six, okay, pretty sure. Yeah, I thought we

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<v Speaker 1>had already crept into twenty six. But that's no matter

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<v Speaker 1>because it's still two five for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's some weird time stuff that's going on. We're

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<v Speaker 2>essentially straddling two years right now. And uh, I'm wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a silver spacesuit because of that.

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<v Speaker 1>All that to say, if we're a little loose is

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<v Speaker 1>because this is our last recording session of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we're closing this out or opening up the

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<v Speaker 1>next year with a good old fashioned top ten that's

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<v Speaker 1>not a ten, like just like the old days.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, we're finishing out twenty twenty five and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>you should know fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, look just like we did in probably twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably, Chuck. If you'll allow me to begin.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, it's just a classic old school opening, Chuck, do

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<v Speaker 1>you have a TV.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever seen TV?

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<v Speaker 1>I knew it was coming. Yes, it was either that.

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<v Speaker 2>Or Webster's defined TV right, right, one of the two.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen TV too. Not only have I seen ATV,

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<v Speaker 2>I've watched what's broadcast on TV as well multiple times

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<v Speaker 2>throughout my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Same.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny we chose this moments that changed the world,

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<v Speaker 2>TV moments that changed the world. And as you're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of researching this, she realized, like, for better or worse man,

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<v Speaker 2>TV is like it may modern culture more than anything

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<v Speaker 2>else I think in the entire world. Would I would

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<v Speaker 2>argue more than the internet? Ooh interesting, Yeah, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm not going to argue. I'm a not

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<v Speaker 1>an arguing mood.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, people who disagree, just follow us on this journey

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<v Speaker 2>into TV moments that changed the world, and maybe your

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<v Speaker 2>your opinion will be changed either way. I don't fault you,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, Great, So let's start at the beginning, when,

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<v Speaker 2>like the day that TV really kicked off in earnest,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a day that this happened. It was April thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty nine, in Flushing, New York, on Long Island.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you are familiar with that date in that area,

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<v Speaker 2>you may know that this was the nineteen thirty nine

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<v Speaker 2>World's Fair, and this is where TV got its start,

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<v Speaker 2>where it was really kind of unveiled to the public

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<v Speaker 2>at large.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, not the nineteen forty World's Fair. HowStuffWorks dot

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<v Speaker 1>com because there was not one.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so, you know, TV had been around for a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't super widespread at this point. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we talked about this a lot lately for some reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, stuff is just really clicking these days. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure why.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. But they had broadcast limitations. They could

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<v Speaker 1>only broadcast, you know, for a limited number of miles,

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<v Speaker 1>like out a limited number of miles. But by the

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<v Speaker 1>time that World's Fare came along, they were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a chance to make a really big splash.

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<v Speaker 1>The RCA Corporation, the Radio Corporation of America, which also

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<v Speaker 1>then led the way in TVs. They were putting out

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty good televisions at the point, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>luxury items, and again they didn't have like the most

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<v Speaker 1>regular broadcasting going on. But they knew that this World's

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<v Speaker 1>Fare was a chance to make a super big splash.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So, yeah, this is where they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>start selling TVs to the public. The problem is is,

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<v Speaker 2>you can have all the TVs in the world, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't have anything to watch on it, good point,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you going to do? Nothing? You're going to

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<v Speaker 2>sit there like a jackass and look at a blank TV.

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<v Speaker 2>So Luckily thought of this and they founded NBC, the

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<v Speaker 2>National Broadcasting Company, to start broadcasting stuff. So they brought

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing together, the broadcasting and the TVs themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>and they debuted it on April thirtieth, nineteen thirty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>when they I think created the world's first live television

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<v Speaker 2>broadcast of Franklin Roosevelt kicking off the nineteen thirty nine

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<v Speaker 2>World's Fair.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And we did mention this one in another episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was, you know, sort of the the first president,

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<v Speaker 1>daddy of TV, granddaddy of TV. And like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>he opened it up there and you know, NBC had

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<v Speaker 1>gotten there and they had their you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>now antiquated TV technology all lined up. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>pretty whiz bang at the time. Sure, and they sent

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<v Speaker 1>signals through these mobile broadcasting trucks, which I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing. That in the nineteen thirties they had the

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<v Speaker 1>technology to even accomplish that, right, So it's pretty impressive

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<v Speaker 1>still to this day, and broadcasts that signal out to

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<v Speaker 1>about two thousand viewers, which seemed like a big number

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<v Speaker 1>at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine I'm still impressed with news fans. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>sure of the time, which is our time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm impressed with news fans today, That's.

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<v Speaker 2>What I mean. Oh, okay, I didn't get it across

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<v Speaker 2>very well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So one thing I saw I was looking up

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<v Speaker 2>pictures of this nineteen thirty nine Worlds Fair, the RCA pavilion.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently they built one of their televisions within transparent I

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<v Speaker 2>guess class or something like that, maybe plastic, so you

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<v Speaker 2>could see the internal working part so that people wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>think it was just some sort of trick.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, interesting, that's how new it was. Yeah. Oddly,

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<v Speaker 1>since we're recording our Christmas episode, I feel like this

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<v Speaker 1>pause before the next one is going to include like

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<v Speaker 1>jingle bells and things, right, But it's not going to.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just simply moving on to another one, which is

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<v Speaker 1>Disney's Wonderful World of Color. I'm sure you like I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up watching I guess by the time we were

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<v Speaker 1>watching it in the seventies, and or me in the seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>and you likely in the eighties, it was called The

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<v Speaker 1>Wonderful World of Disney.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched Walt Disney Presents, I think, is what it

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<v Speaker 2>was for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, so I guess, yeah, since I'm only a

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<v Speaker 1>year older than you, I was watching The Wonderful World

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<v Speaker 1>of Disney. Because this show had some title changes. But

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<v Speaker 1>the reason we're talking about this at all, it's because

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<v Speaker 1>of the advent of color television, which Walt Disney himself

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<v Speaker 1>really got behind and was like, Hey, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be the dude that kind of brings this to the masses.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because just like how you could have TVs but

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to broadcast, you could have color TVs and if

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<v Speaker 2>you weren't broadcasting in color, what's the point. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>this was an issue for RCA, and by then, of

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<v Speaker 2>course they had NBC, and NBC was rolling pretty well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but Walt Disney's anthology series had started years before and

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<v Speaker 2>it was on ABC. NBC wasn't broadcasting in color. So

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<v Speaker 2>Walt Disney personally held a meeting with NBC and said,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to do this, apparently saying he said that.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, Bellas, I want this deal. If necessary, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>stand on my head in Macy's window.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and all the executives said, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. It's a pretty good idea, So why are

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<v Speaker 1>you being weird?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he was just that enthusiastic about the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But he personally went and pitched the idea of the NBC.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason why again is NBC was the first

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<v Speaker 2>network to broadcast in color, and so Walt Disney really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of pushed this through because NBC would have broadcasting

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<v Speaker 2>color either way, but Walt Disney wanted to do it

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<v Speaker 2>in like high style.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. And this is a TV show that

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<v Speaker 1>launched in nineteen fifty four and ran for thirty four seasons,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously at first in black and white. And like I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, you know the name changes. I guess they

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<v Speaker 1>had one, you know, between My Birth and your Birth,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was initially called Disney's Wonderful and then Magical

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<v Speaker 1>World of Disney. Yeah, and then when the color debuted,

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, we really want to be sort of

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<v Speaker 1>obvious with this, so let's call it Disney's wonderful World

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<v Speaker 1>of Color. Yeah, but we still haven't even said what

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<v Speaker 1>this was. I mean you mentioned anthology series. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a variety show essentially. They had cartoons

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. I remember when I was a kid that

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<v Speaker 1>the Davy Crockett TV Show, and it says in this

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<v Speaker 1>house Stuff Works article it launched the coonskin cap craze.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have a picture of little five year old

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<v Speaker 1>me with a musket and a leather vest and a

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<v Speaker 1>coonskin cap on my head. So I was into that.

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<v Speaker 2>I had one too, but I don't have a picture

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<v Speaker 2>of it, so I can't prove it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can probably dig that up and throw it up

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<v Speaker 1>on the Instagram maybe to align with this, so I'll

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<v Speaker 1>try and find that.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it.

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<v Speaker 1>I got it.

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<v Speaker 2>So they were also like a lot of documentary programming, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and you would think like, okay, hard hitting frontline esque documentaries. No,

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<v Speaker 2>not at all. It meant that they would go and

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<v Speaker 2>film stuff under various themes at Disneyland. They were essentially

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<v Speaker 2>big ads for Disneyland. He used that big time, And

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they were well produced and interesting, sure, but

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<v Speaker 2>they really went to that well quite a bit in

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<v Speaker 2>every episode, not in the first episode though, instead the

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<v Speaker 2>first episode, and this is the moment that changed the

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<v Speaker 2>world as far as color TV goes. It was on

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<v Speaker 2>September twenty fourth, nineteen sixty one, and it was the

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<v Speaker 2>episode was two parts, and the first one was an

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<v Speaker 2>Adventure in Color, and it really was a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>an adventure, like it was a bunch of little segments

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<v Speaker 2>that really kind of showed off what you can do

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<v Speaker 2>with color TV and just must have knocked the socks off,

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<v Speaker 2>knocked the coonskin caps off of all the little kids

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<v Speaker 2>sitting at home.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And it also featured something called the Spectrum Song,

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<v Speaker 1>which kind of explained what was going on because I

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<v Speaker 1>guess they felt the need to explain color to people

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<v Speaker 1>who had gone around their entire lives seeing real life

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<v Speaker 1>and color. But I guess, like you said, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty whiz bang thing to see the thing, to

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<v Speaker 1>see it on your TV for the first time, so

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<v Speaker 1>they went to great links to probably over explain that.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is also when we got the debut of

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Ludwig von Drake from the Disney Duck World.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was kind of an eccentric inventor. His self

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<v Speaker 2>written bio was He's an eminent psychologist, renowned color expert, etymologist,

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<v Speaker 2>the most sought after a lecturer in the world. He

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<v Speaker 2>is undoubtedly the outstanding genius of the century. So he

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<v Speaker 2>was fairly egotistical, but he was also funny, and he

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<v Speaker 2>became beloved. And this is where he came from that

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<v Speaker 2>first adventure in color. Half and then the second half

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<v Speaker 2>was a theatrical release featuring Donald Duck. Because all of

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<v Speaker 2>these Disney cartoons that we just take for granted today

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<v Speaker 2>used to have to go to the theet to see them.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you went to the theater to see them,

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<v Speaker 2>they were in color. You saw them on TV there

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<v Speaker 2>in black and white. Now you can see him in

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<v Speaker 2>color on TV without leaving the comfort of your home.

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<v Speaker 1>What was their deal with the ducks was that? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's just like any other cartoon animal, but

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<v Speaker 1>they really leaned into the ducks.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a great excuse to draw something without pants.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, okay, that makes sense. I never got into any

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<v Speaker 1>I was a little old for like ducktails and all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a good show.

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<v Speaker 1>So like Donald Duck was my only I guess exposure,

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<v Speaker 1>my only duck exposure. His little feathered Fanny. Oh sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>sorry listeners in England, I know what that means there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Yeah, nice kit to be. To be perfectly honest,

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little old for ducktails too, but I

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<v Speaker 2>still watched it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, you know, we all regress.

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<v Speaker 2>I never progressed, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, come on, So, just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Disney probably promised RCA and NBC, like they started selling

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<v Speaker 2>color TVs like hotcakes thanks to in large part, the

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<v Speaker 2>Wonderful World of Color, Disney's wonderful World of Color, to

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<v Speaker 2>be exact.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And that feels like a great time for

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<v Speaker 1>a break. Huh, yes it does.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, We'll be right back everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So you might think that we're going in chronological order,

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<v Speaker 2>we are not. We're going to go back in time

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit from the debut of color TV, but

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<v Speaker 2>after the World's Fair in nineteen thirty nine, two years after,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to go to you know, I never

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<v Speaker 2>found out what network this was on, did you. No,

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<v Speaker 2>that's silly.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just call it ESPN.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so on ESPN in nineteen forty one, on July first.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a moment that changed the world. Some people

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<v Speaker 2>who are watching the Brooklyn Dodgers at the Philly at

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<v Speaker 2>the Philadelphia Phillies essentially saw the first television ad ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was either nine or ten seconds long. It

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<v Speaker 1>depends on the source that you cite, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty short and all it was. And I know we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this before because I have seen this before

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't think of any other reason why I

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<v Speaker 1>would have, right, But it is a scene of a

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<v Speaker 1>bull of a clockface just sort of superimposed over a

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<v Speaker 1>map of the United States, and it's had the phrase

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<v Speaker 1>over the top of it like a chiron the world

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<v Speaker 1>runs on Buluva time. And about four thousand people saw

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<v Speaker 1>this ad, and I imagine they were like, what the

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<v Speaker 1>heck is this? Why am I hearing about Bulova?

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<v Speaker 2>And why do I suddenly feel like buying a bowl

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<v Speaker 2>of a watch?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Probably.

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<v Speaker 2>What's super quaint and sweet is that the ad costs

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<v Speaker 2>bull of a nine dollars. That's the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Even for the time, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even at the time, that's one hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 2>five dollars today, So that was quite a sweet deal. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>And what it did was show like this is a

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<v Speaker 2>we can do this, we can advertise two people. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's not to say that there were just no ads

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<v Speaker 2>on TV before the bulov A ad, but they just

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<v Speaker 2>followed a completely different format, so much so that the

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl of A ad is pretty safely considered among historians

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<v Speaker 2>as the first actual TV commercial.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's for a couple of reasons. You did

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<v Speaker 1>mention some other ads, But before that, it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this program is sponsored by whatever, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was just the ad. It wasn't actual TV commercial in

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<v Speaker 1>between content. The first ad, I guess if you count

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff was a nineteen the year TV debuted, really

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a furrier. Man, it seems like it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been from like eighteen thirty, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>a furrier in Boston called ij Fox Furriers who sponsored

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<v Speaker 1>the CBS orchestra. It was a program called the Fox Trapper.

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<v Speaker 1>So that, you know, that's kind of how ads went

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<v Speaker 1>up until forty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that was the radio format. It was essentially

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<v Speaker 2>they just took the format that had been pioneered on

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<v Speaker 2>radio and now they were doing it on TV. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not really an ad. If you call that an ad,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just being contrarian, right. Sure, there were still even

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<v Speaker 2>other ads but they were illegal because it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty one that the FCC started issuing licenses to

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<v Speaker 2>run commercials on on broadcast networks. But that means that

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<v Speaker 2>the ads before them were illegal. I could not find

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<v Speaker 2>any mention of what these ads were for, but I

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<v Speaker 2>got the impression that they were just experimentation networks kind

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<v Speaker 2>of on the sly figuring out how to do it

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<v Speaker 2>as they went along. So again, Buliva is the first

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<v Speaker 2>actual TV commercial that was legal, and that was also

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<v Speaker 2>produced with the intent, the sole intent to sell a

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<v Speaker 2>particular product on air. That was it. That space of

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<v Speaker 2>air was filled up by an ad. That was the

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<v Speaker 2>first time ever.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And I knowe we mentioned this before, but

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<v Speaker 1>for those who aren't familiar with our cannon in the

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<v Speaker 1>old days of stuff, you should know our boss Connel Byrne,

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<v Speaker 1>who commissioned the whole show to begin with and changed

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<v Speaker 1>our lives. Thank you Connell. He came up to us

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<v Speaker 1>at one point after we had been doing it a

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<v Speaker 1>while and said, hey, people are running ads on podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>now and we need to get into this. And we

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<v Speaker 1>were like, no way, no how, We're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>foulop our show. By selling it, and then eventually he said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if we can sell this thing, it'll make

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<v Speaker 1>the company money and on down the road, maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>just becomes your job. I don't know if he said that,

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<v Speaker 1>but the writing was kind of on the wall, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this can just become the only thing you do

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<v Speaker 1>here and you won't be writing articles for housetiforks dot

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<v Speaker 1>com anymore. And we went tell us more.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, here, you make a good case here. Yeah, hey, Chuck,

0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.960
<v Speaker 2>we're real quick speaking of our cannon. So for all

0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:15.760
<v Speaker 2>of you listeners out there, it's a little behind the

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<v Speaker 2>scenes peak. Oh yeah, we have like I think, including

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<v Speaker 2>short stuff in the neighborhood of two thousand, three hundred episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't really get it across when you say twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred. We have a ton of episodes in our

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<v Speaker 2>back catalog, and we like people write in all the

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<v Speaker 2>time and they're like, you should do this episode. We're like,

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<v Speaker 2>we did like seven years ago, and it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people just have no idea the episodes we've done.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're trying to like figure out how to get

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<v Speaker 2>it out there better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, that's the reason we mentioned this. We've

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<v Speaker 1>been sort of putting our heads together at iHeartMedia because,

0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.080
<v Speaker 1>like you said, a lot of people don't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think iTunes serves up about three hundred. But here's

0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.920
<v Speaker 1>a little trick. If you're on your podcast player for

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<v Speaker 1>iTunes on your iPhone, if that's how you listen, when

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<v Speaker 1>you scroll down through like the first five episodes, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a little button there that says see all two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>plus episodes, And if you click on that, they're all

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<v Speaker 1>there and you can scroll through. But you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people don't know that. A lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>players don't you know, who knows how many they display,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a frustration for us, and so it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a gentle reminder that there are literally thousands of these

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<v Speaker 1>episodes out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're all also, I think you said on the

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<v Speaker 2>iHeartRadio app and stuff youshould know. Dot com has the

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<v Speaker 2>master repository and a pretty good search function. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the ways we figured out like we could probably

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<v Speaker 2>like we could probably do a lot better about mentioning episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>like specifically when they come up in another episode, like

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<v Speaker 2>a new episode. But I feel like we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to do a lot better. Yeah, we normally do, which

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<v Speaker 2>is like, did we do some episode on something related

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<v Speaker 2>to this? Yeah, we gotta figure it out, but we will,

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<v Speaker 2>cause there's just a bunch of great episodes just sitting

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<v Speaker 2>there waiting for people to discover.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, right, And with that we move on to

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<v Speaker 1>oh wait, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to do the Super Bowl comparison. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. If you talk about the bulovcy we

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<v Speaker 2>really yes.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, you take it away, then I repe stick part.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you write or talk about the Bulova ad,

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<v Speaker 2>it's basically incumbent upon you to compare that ad cost

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<v Speaker 2>the nine dollars cost to what it would have cost

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<v Speaker 2>had they run it on a Super Bowl. And so

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<v Speaker 2>for the twenty twenty five Super Bowl, if Bulova had

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<v Speaker 2>run this, they would have paid two point three five

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars for those ten seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite a deal, that's right there. I just kept us

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<v Speaker 2>from being sued.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh well, I don't even think we're even I think

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<v Speaker 1>we're supposed to say the Big Game, aren't we.

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<v Speaker 2>It's no like we're supposed to not buy into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I gotcha, all right. Moving on to the

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<v Speaker 1>next one on the list is the that was a

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<v Speaker 1>good segue too, because we can't talk about like our

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<v Speaker 1>old episodes and then say, also, there was a devastating

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<v Speaker 1>tsunami in two thousand and four in the Indian Ocean, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because that happened, and we know if you're of a

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<v Speaker 1>actually you don't have to be much of a certain age.

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<v Speaker 1>But on December twenty six, two thousand and four, that

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<v Speaker 1>was an undersea earthquake about a nine point zero magnitude

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:15.640
<v Speaker 1>that set off this incredible tsunami in the Indian Ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've done episodes on tsunamis and earthquakes, and

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about all this before. But it was about

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred feet tall, traveling at five hundred miles an hour,

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<v Speaker 1>not much advanced warning, and was one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>devastating tragedies in human history. It killed close to two

0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:39.159
<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty thousand people in fourteen countries. It also

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<v Speaker 1>sparked the biggest rail disaster in history when it completely

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<v Speaker 1>wiped out a train traveling along the coast of Sri Lanka.

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<v Speaker 1>And we mentioned all this because the only positive that

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<v Speaker 1>came out of this was the media's reaction, which sparked

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<v Speaker 1>the incredible amount of philanthropy and aid and giving in

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<v Speaker 1>its aftermath.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the I was reading a study on this.

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<v Speaker 2>It is called media coverage and Charitable Giving after the

0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.879
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four tsunami. It was by Philip H.

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<v Speaker 2>Brown and Justin Minty, and they said, like, the media

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<v Speaker 2>coverage was unprecedented, Like it didn't they the world didn't

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<v Speaker 2>forget about it in like three days. It was twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four hour coverage of this disaster for weeks on end right.

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<v Speaker 2>And because these images were broadcast around the world, and

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<v Speaker 2>because it was so mind bogglingly devastating, people just opened

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<v Speaker 2>up their pockets. I saw ninety nine different countries donated,

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<v Speaker 2>and thirteen of those countries had never donated for a

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<v Speaker 2>natural disaster relief before it got to everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there are I think about one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five countries in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which it's kind of like, do better other ninety

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<v Speaker 2>six countries.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I imagine the countries that didn't give have their

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<v Speaker 1>own issues, had their own issues going on.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Well, no I feel bad, No, don't feel

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<v Speaker 2>so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But they have done studies. That two thousand and six

0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:15.479
<v Speaker 1>study that you referenced, they said that the Catholic relief

0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:19.040
<v Speaker 1>charities got a million dollars in three days, which would

0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:20.920
<v Speaker 1>turn out to be small beans in the long run,

0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:24.399
<v Speaker 1>but over three days that's quite a haul. Save the

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<v Speaker 1>Children got more than six million dollars in four days.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lutheran World Relief raise more money in a week

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<v Speaker 1>than it does in a year. And the AP found

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<v Speaker 1>that thirty percent of American families donated in the first

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks, and just from the United States though, was

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<v Speaker 1>about one point six billion, and estimates around the world

0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.080
<v Speaker 1>were about fourteen billion dollars raised.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just to kind of go over the power

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<v Speaker 2>of the media, one thing I left out here is

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<v Speaker 2>that that same study found that one extra minute of

0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 2>coverage on television equated to an increase in Internet donations

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<v Speaker 2>by six seemed to twenty percent. So like this the impact,

0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:08.560
<v Speaker 2>it's just essentially like a classroom lesson in the impact

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.400
<v Speaker 2>that media can have, the positive impact that media can have.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's I mean, that's that is definitely something to

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<v Speaker 2>TV's credit. Yeah, you want to move on to well,

0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:20.280
<v Speaker 2>move backward to Vietnam.

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, again, we're jumping all over the timeline and we're

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:28.159
<v Speaker 1>in Vietnam right now because I guess we should talk

0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.120
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about pre Vietnam and as far as

0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 1>media coverage go, because before that World War Two and

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 1>certainly the Korean War, what you got as far as

0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 1>media coverage was highly sort of curated and regulated, government

0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:47.480
<v Speaker 1>mediated film reels. You would get news updates, they would

0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:51.040
<v Speaker 1>play in movie theaters. By the time we got to Vietnam,

0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:54.200
<v Speaker 1>they had, you know, like handheld cameras you could literally

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<v Speaker 1>take to the front lines, and it really changed the

0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:02.159
<v Speaker 1>way war coverage went and as result, the way the

0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:04.280
<v Speaker 1>way people felt about the war. Because World War Two,

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.640
<v Speaker 1>everyone was they were pretty raw, raw, and you got

0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:10.160
<v Speaker 1>these raw, raw films, So morale was big in America.

0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, they were like, hey, this is great, We're

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 1>fighting the Nazis, right.

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:18.919
<v Speaker 2>Another huge factor was that by nineteen sixty six, ninety

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:22.760
<v Speaker 2>three percent of American homes had a TV, and just

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:27.520
<v Speaker 2>thirteen sixteen years earlier, in nineteen fifty, it was nine percent. Yeah,

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 2>so TV was firmly established in the American psyche. You

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:35.440
<v Speaker 2>remember in wonder years, whenever they sat down and had dinner,

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:39.119
<v Speaker 2>they always had the TV on showing Vietnam. Yeah coverage. Yeah,

0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 2>that's what it was like.

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure.

0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 2>And so the fact that everybody had TVs, the fact

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.720
<v Speaker 2>that now there was like cameras that you could easily

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:53.720
<v Speaker 2>allow a journalist to embed with, and the idea that

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:58.680
<v Speaker 2>the government really shouldn't control propaganda, shouldn't control the news

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:05.119
<v Speaker 2>like that created this atmosphere where the broadcasters were willing

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 2>to show like really heartrending, unflinching stories. Yeah, what the

0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:15.160
<v Speaker 2>soldiers fighting for the United States were doing in Vietnam

0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:17.639
<v Speaker 2>and what was being done to them, And it really

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:19.880
<v Speaker 2>shaped America's view of that war.

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it definitely made the mood and how

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 1>we saw the war like pretty dour. But people, you know,

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.360
<v Speaker 1>going into Vietnam, there were a lot of people already,

0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 1>like before even the coverage started that were like, what

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:36.479
<v Speaker 1>are we doing in Vietnam?

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Again? Right?

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like World War Two where where the Nazis

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 1>were trying to you know, take over the world, and

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 1>so you know, this just made everything worse, but you know,

0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:49.040
<v Speaker 1>worse in a positive way because it was showing the

0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 1>reality of things. It wasn't government controlled, I'm sure they were,

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:58.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, just countless meetings behind the scenes and the

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Oval Office where they were like we're getting crushed by

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.360
<v Speaker 1>the reality of this war and how it's being depicted

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:06.920
<v Speaker 1>in the media. I'm sure they were pretty upset about

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:08.360
<v Speaker 1>losing control of that narrative.

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, they definitely were. And later on, I think

0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:16.400
<v Speaker 2>the Iraq War was another considered another television war. Certainly

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:22.360
<v Speaker 2>the Gulf War the first one was. And the government

0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:26.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of learned from losing control over the narrative in Vietnam,

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:30.399
<v Speaker 2>but they weren't able to regain control, and so the

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 2>sentiment toward Vietnam and the United States kept getting worse

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 2>and worse, and protests were getting bigger and bigger. There

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>was like a very healthy anti war movement. And essentially

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:47.360
<v Speaker 2>because the public was feeling this way, the public sentiment

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:50.600
<v Speaker 2>was that way toward Vietnam, and because if you turned

0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 2>on the news, the evening national news, you would see

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 2>like terrible coverage that was not flattering at all to

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.919
<v Speaker 2>what the United States was doing in Vietnam, elected official

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 2>basically had no choice but to listen to people. And yeah,

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 2>it definitely led to the earlier, probably an earlier withdrawal

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 2>than the United States may have otherwise taken.

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, changed the way that it went

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 1>moving forward, because you know, the writing was on the

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>wall at that point for the US government, They're like,

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>we can't go back to World War Two. As much

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 1>as they wanted to kind of control that narrative, the

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 1>American people at that point would not have it moving forward.

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 1>So it really kind of changed the whole relationship of

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 1>how any kind of conflict is covered.

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 2>It did. So now they've struck a balance between allowing

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 2>reporters to embed and just relying on those national news

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:45.120
<v Speaker 2>reporters to disseminate the propaganda, because if you watch embedded coverage,

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 2>for the most part, it is fairly yeah, raw raw,

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.720
<v Speaker 2>even if it's not overtly raw rack. Is that the

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 2>American public's a little more savvy than that. It's still

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:57.159
<v Speaker 2>nothing like the coverage was of Vietnam from what I understand.

0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, and just the way wars are fought now,

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>it not like a front line like you had back then.

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 1>So I remember watching the Gulf War and it was

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 1>just all those like you know, black and white shots

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>of bombing things from thousands of feet above, you know.

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then the beginning of the Iraq War, remember

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 2>it was shock and awe, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 2>was like it was produced essentially for TV, the initial

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 2>attack on Iraq.

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 1>It's so gross to I don't know, I'm not gonna editorialize,

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 1>but to name something like that, like, hey, that sounds

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:30.159
<v Speaker 1>pretty pretty awesome.

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.439
<v Speaker 2>You know. I think it was either RUMs Fell or

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Cheney who came up with that, And I'm not surprised

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 2>either way.

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 1>For sure. Should we take another break?

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I wasn't expecting that.

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Sure, all right, we'll take another break and finish up

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>with a couple of more moments that changed TV history

0:28:45.080 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>right after this. All right, we're going to move on

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>to another show. But we should mention that the original

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 1>House of Works article included, of course, the moon landing,

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>which was a huge TV event, but we covered all

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 1>of that in which episode.

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 2>We have an episode on that. It's called How Going

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 2>to the Moon Works from twenty nineteen, and it was

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>a really interesting episode that really covered in depth of

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 2>lunar landing.

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 1>That's right, part of the twenty three hundred episodes plus.

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 2>That's right, But we're.

0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Not going to talk about that. We're going to talk

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 1>about a TV show that we've talked about here and

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>there before called Cops. Because Cops is and I know

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned this in that other episode. Whatever it was,

0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:48.760
<v Speaker 1>it was a show that I used to watch with

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 1>more regularity than I like to admit now I think

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 1>everyone watched it a lot. Well, it was never and

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:57.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm not excusing it, but it was never like appointment TV.

0:29:57.800 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 1>In fact, I don't even know when it came on.

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 1>This was just in my younger channel surfing days where

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>it was like you're surfing around, Cops was on. I

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 1>would watch Cops and I was never like yeah, yeah,

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>go go. But you know, I've found it probably entertaining

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>and amusing, and now that i'm a little older and

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 1>no more of you know, slightly embarrassed that they were

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of exploiting many times people who had mental illness

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 1>and who were suffering through poverty and addiction. And so

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not so proud of that. But I'll admit that

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>I watched my fair share of Cops.

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I watched it too. So Cops changed the world in

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 2>two ways. And this moment was March eleventh, nineteen eighty nine,

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 2>which is when it debuted on Fox. This is just

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 2>three years after Fox premiered, nine months before The Simpsons

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 2>even premiered, Cops started on Fox, and it helped make

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Fox the fourth network. It was just such a huge

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 2>show right out of the gate. And the two ways

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 2>that it changed the world is one set the groundwork

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 2>for reality TV. Yeah, you can make a pretty good

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 2>case that it was one of the It may be

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 2>the originator of reality TV. There weren't scripts, There wasn't

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.959
<v Speaker 2>any star, There wasn't any narrative or plot lines. It

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 2>was just like, here's some cops and here's a crime

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 2>that they're going to fight. We don't have a script.

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 2>We just generally know what's going on, which ostensibly is

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the basis of any reality show.

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you know what we should do an

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 1>episode on at some point is I can't remember the

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>name of it now because it just came to me,

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 1>but I think kind of the first real reality show

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 1>was that one where they followed the American family around

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 1>in the seventies, maybe.

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 2>When a PBS or British or something.

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 1>I think it was PBS, and then they made a

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 1>fictional account of that as a movie not I think

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 1>four or five, six years ago. That was pretty good too.

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I think James Scandalfini was in it.

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I would have guessed Peter Sarsgard as the dad.

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 1>It was really good though. Anyway, that really kicked off

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 1>reality TV. MTV's Real World didn't come out till ninety two,

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 1>but Cops certainly laid the groundwork for kind of like

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>trashy reality TV, you know, right. Yes.

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 2>The other effect that it had on the world was

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 2>it really reinforced unfair racial stereotypes. Yeah, among white Americans

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 2>toward Black Americans, people of color in general in the

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:26.240
<v Speaker 2>United States. It was an enormous show. It drew like

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 2>eight million viewers each week. That's a crazy amount of people.

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Peaked in the nineties. But even from the first episode,

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 2>civil rights groups were like, whoa wait a second here,

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of these criminals are black, and this

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 2>is way disproportionate to reality. I thought this was a

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 2>reality show. And the Cops producers, Barber Langley Productions, were like, well,

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 2>it's reality ish, you know, like it's not the actual

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>portrayal of reality. It's a skewed toward entertainment version of reality.

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 2>So just settle down. And the civil rights groups are like,

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 2>we're not settling down. That actually makes it even worse.

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, the cops loved it because they were

0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:10.239
<v Speaker 1>portrayed as heroes. It was a great recruiting tool for

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>police officers. And you know, I guess we have some

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>stats from the Marshall Project. They did a analysis in

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety four. Most of the officers on balance were white,

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 1>suspects were more likely to be black or hispanic as

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 1>far as the numbers go. They found that while sexual assault, robbery,

0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and murders account for just thirteen percent of all crime

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:37.440
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety four, at least it was forty three

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 1>percent of what you saw on cops. I don't remember

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of sexual assault and murder though, Like everything

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 1>I saw on cops were like robberies and drug arrests

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>or just you know, dy being drunk out in public, stuff.

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Like that, or dude hiding under a kiddie pool.

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's probably drunk er on drugs, right, Yeah, that's

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>what I I remember. I don't remember like more serious crime.

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>So I was kind of wondering about that stat.

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't remember that either. They also found that

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 2>same study found that the show was far more likely

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 2>to associate black and brown people than whites with violent crime.

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:19.399
<v Speaker 2>They were black and brown people were forty percent. There

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 2>was a forty percent chance compared to a thirteen percent

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 2>chance for whites. So it was like it wasn't just

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 2>civil rights groups like sensing there's something off about this,

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.840
<v Speaker 2>like people conducted actual studies and found also that a

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 2>viewer of Cops was likelier to maintain the racial stereotype

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 2>that blacks are typically criminals than a person who didn't

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:45.360
<v Speaker 2>watch Cops. So it had a really large impact. And

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:48.240
<v Speaker 2>yet despite that, this is ninety four that that study

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 2>came out, it wasn't until twenty thirteen that Fox was

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:55.280
<v Speaker 2>finally like, okay, fine, fine, yes, okay, well cancel the show.

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 2>We've made our money over twenty five seasons, and thanks

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 2>to civil rights organization Color of Change, Fox dropped it

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 2>and that was the end of Cops forever.

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Right, No, no, no. It was picked up by Spike TV.

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>They ran it until twenty twenty. Then after twenty twenty,

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 1>with all the you know, sort of light shined on

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 1>police brutality, they said, you know, maybe it's just not

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.720
<v Speaker 1>so good to run this anymore. But Fox Nation stepped

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 1>up and brought it back in twenty one and it

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 1>is still going in his thirty seventh season. The other

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 1>thing it did was sort of create the the idea

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 1>of the Florida Man because they started I believe they

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>debuted in Broward County and shot a lot there over

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the years, and they shot I think they shot more

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 1>than one hundred cities in the end, but a lot

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>of their content was shot in Florida and kind of

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of reinforced this whole Florida Man thing.

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know that that's skewed.

0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:55.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, fair enough, let's finish up.

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Chuck on like a really happy moment. Well, depending on

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.840
<v Speaker 2>which nation you're from, the USSR or the United States.

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:06.719
<v Speaker 2>If you're from the United States, this is a really

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 2>good high point for your country. In nineteen eighty and

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen eighty Winter Olympics at Lake Placid, New York,

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 2>to be exact, and there was this one event that

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>America was really the unlikely winners in and it was

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:22.320
<v Speaker 2>men's hockey.

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>That's right. This is during the height of the Cold War,

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 1>so the US and the Soviet Union. You know, it

0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 1>was just it was all you heard about if you

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 1>were a kid growing up in the seventies and eighties.

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 1>It was such a big deal. The Soviet Union won

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the Olympic gold medals in ice hockey in fifty six

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and then sixty four, sixty eight, seventy two, and seventy six.

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:48.800
<v Speaker 1>So they ran the Olympics basically from the mid sixties

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>to the mid seventies, and then nineteen eighty came along

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 1>and you had a US hockey team and first of all,

0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the Soviet hockey team. I believe there was a player

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:03.919
<v Speaker 1>Fetisov who said later on that was probably the best

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 1>team that the Soviet Union had ever put together. So

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 1>they were the drago and we were a little rocky

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:13.520
<v Speaker 1>because the American team at the time, this is before

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 1>they allowed pro players to play in the Olympics, there

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 1>was a bunch of college kids and they were I

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:22.799
<v Speaker 1>mean to call them underdogs was a massive understatement.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And a lot of the credit goes to the

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 2>coach of the Olympic men's team, Herb Brooks, who was

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 2>the University of Minnesota Golden Gophers hockey coach.

0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Kurt Russell. Oh yeah, yeah, he played him in the movie.

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was Emilio Estevez.

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Well done.

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<v Speaker 2>So the United States did not this, despite how it ended,

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 2>they did not get off on a very good footing.

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:52.239
<v Speaker 2>There was an exhibition game at Madison Square Garden a

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:56.840
<v Speaker 2>few days before the nineteen eighty Olympics, same month and everything,

0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 2>And they Soviet Union and the States played in this

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:05.400
<v Speaker 2>exhibition match and the Soviets really you could use the

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 2>word walloped pretty effectively in this case. The Soviets won

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 2>ten to three. So it did not look like the

0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:17.399
<v Speaker 2>United States men's hockey team was going to produce much

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:19.399
<v Speaker 2>in the Olympics that year.

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you don't see a lot of double digit scores

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:24.839
<v Speaker 1>in hockey if you're not familiar with hockey, you know,

0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 1>you see a lot of like two to nothing, three

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.920
<v Speaker 1>to two. Right. Once you score over ten goals, it's

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>a big, big deal. So the Americans weren't even supposed

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to advance that much in the Olympics. But they had

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of comeback wins, had a lot of close

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 1>calls that they won, and they got into the medal

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:46.359
<v Speaker 1>round and face the Soviets, who up to that point

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>in the Olympics had outscored their bonuts fifty one to eleven.

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>H So on February twenty second, nineteen eighty and I

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>know I've mentioned this before, but I actually watched this

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 1>match as a I guess it wasn't even nine yet.

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 1>It was right before my ninth birthday. Oh yeah, I

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't even that into hockey, but we were an Olympic family,

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 1>and I remember I have a very distinct memory of

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 1>being in my parents' bedroom for some reason, which I

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 1>usually wasn't much allowed in because it was I don't know,

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 1>it was the seventies. It was like, don't go in

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 1>my bedroom. But we had this little black and white TV.

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.359
<v Speaker 1>I guess my dad was watching other stuff out there

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 1>on the larger console TV, but I remember being in

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 1>their bedroom and watching this match on the little black

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>and white TV and knowing, as a little eight year old, like,

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:35.759
<v Speaker 1>what a huge, huge deal this was.

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you said something that I think kind of

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 2>applied to a lot of the nation. Hockey was not

0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 2>really a thing, nothing like it is now in the

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 2>United States. Like you had to live in a place

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:51.240
<v Speaker 2>where your rivers froze over every year to like hockey.

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 2>It was a very regional sport. And yet, like you said,

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 2>the entire United States tuned in for this match because

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 2>it was the evil So yeah, and like to our

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 2>younger viewers or listeners, like you don't you can't imagine

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 2>what they told us about the Russians, Like essentially, if

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 2>you were a kid in the seventies, eighties, probably sixties too,

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 2>you were basically taught that if you ever crossed paths

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 2>with anybody from the Soviet Union, they would slash your

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 2>throat just as soon as look at you. Like that

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 2>was essentially what people thought of the Soviet Union at

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:27.239
<v Speaker 2>and vice versa. So it was the big bad Soviets

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 2>who were just this huge juggernaut of a team, and

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the Americans, the ragtag underdog Americans standing up to these

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 2>these this evil empire. And that's why everybody tuned in.

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was I remember very just having the distinct

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:46.840
<v Speaker 1>feeling it was communism versus democracy, really right.

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, which is yeah, yeah, which is I think what

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 2>happened in that that Super Bowl with the Falcons versus

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 2>the Patriots. Same thing.

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:00.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, my my darkest day as a Falcons fan.

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:03.439
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that was rough. It was either that or losing

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:06.799
<v Speaker 1>to the Jets last week. Oh yeah, oh man, I

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>can't talk about it. Okay, very sad season ticket holder here.

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 1>So Americans of course came back and won, and I

0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:19.720
<v Speaker 1>remember our goalie Jim Craig, like skating around after wrapped

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:21.840
<v Speaker 1>up in the American flag, and that was my first

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 1>like real taste of like understanding what it was like

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:30.000
<v Speaker 1>to be an American and again a different time where

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:32.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was the Cold War, and it felt

0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 1>like a real win for democracy in a weird way.

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So a lot of people, well I think basically

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 2>everybody calls that game the Miracle on Ice. Yeah, And

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 2>the reason why is because the commentator who was calling

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:47.799
<v Speaker 2>the hockey game, al Michaels, who as far as I note,

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:51.360
<v Speaker 2>had only called one hockey game previously at the Sapporo

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Winter Olympics years before. He did a magnificent job. And

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 2>as the time is running out in the third period,

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 2>America staged to come back and scored two goals and

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:03.839
<v Speaker 2>they were up four to three with several seconds left.

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.080
<v Speaker 2>And remember this Soviet team was good enough that they

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 2>could score a goal and tie within a few seconds.

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:11.959
<v Speaker 2>So the Americans are just skating around the ice trying

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:14.439
<v Speaker 2>to keep the puck away from the Russians and al

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Michaels is counting down the seconds and I think with

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.200
<v Speaker 2>about four seconds left, and it became clear that the

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Soviets working to be able to score a goal, he goes,

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 2>do you believe in miracles?

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 2>And if you watch it today you just get just

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 2>amazing chills, just even the last like thirty seconds of

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:31.279
<v Speaker 2>that game. It's really neat.

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:34.840
<v Speaker 1>For sure. I wonder if before the game Al Michaels

0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 1>was like, it's a puck, al, it's a puck, it's

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 1>a match, it's not a game. And if anyone brings

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:42.480
<v Speaker 1>up icing, just you explain.

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 2>It, right, just pretend it doesn't exist exactly. So ESPN

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:49.640
<v Speaker 2>called it the most famous hockey game ever played.

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure.

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Sports Illustrated ranked it in nineteen ninety nine is the

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 2>top sports moment of the twentieth century. It was a

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.399
<v Speaker 2>big deal. And again I would strongly urge you if

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:01.399
<v Speaker 2>you don't go why the whole match, watch at least

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 2>a third period, or watch the last couple of minutes

0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:08.120
<v Speaker 2>and several minutes after that where they're, yeah, they're celebrating.

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 2>It's just you can just feel like the whole country

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:11.200
<v Speaker 2>going crazy.

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Pretty incredible. Uh. And if you're ever you know,

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 1>at a dinner party and a group of people and

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.279
<v Speaker 1>they're talking about when the US beat the Soviets for

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:23.360
<v Speaker 1>the gold medal, you can be the actually guy because

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:24.840
<v Speaker 1>that was not the gold medal match. I think a

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:26.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of people remember it that way because it was

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:28.959
<v Speaker 1>such a big deal. But that was an I guess

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 1>a bronze round. Yeah, and the US went on to

0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 1>win that gold against Finland yep, two days later. Pretty great,

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Pretty great, everybody.

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 2>So that's it. Those are the only moments that changed

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 2>the world in the history of TV. All the rest

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:43.960
<v Speaker 2>of them were pretty whole home.

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 1>That's right. You got anything else, I got nothing else, sir.

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 2>All right. I think this was a pretty good start

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:53.840
<v Speaker 2>to twenty twenty six, don't you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's great.

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