1
00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,840
Speaker 1: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Our number two

2
00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,080
Speaker 1: Jury Watch continues.

3
00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,799
Speaker 2: Can I just say every time Clay his eyebrow moves

4
00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,680
Speaker 2: a certain way, or his hand twitches or anything, I'm like,

5
00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,120
Speaker 2: oh God, we have a verdicts.

6
00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,000
Speaker 1: We're both looking at screens and looking at our computers.

7
00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,279
Speaker 1: I just I mean, I'm going to set a record

8
00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:28,120
Speaker 1: all time. I bet for refreshes of Twitter today during

9
00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,120
Speaker 1: the course of the show. For those of you just

10
00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:36,559
Speaker 1: sitting down. The latest update. This morning, the jury instructions

11
00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,479
Speaker 1: as well as some of the court testimony, was reread

12
00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,760
Speaker 1: to the jurors. They returned to the courtroom to begin

13
00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,479
Speaker 1: their deliberations starting at nine to thirty am Eastern. We

14
00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,159
Speaker 1: are now coming up on an additional four hours of

15
00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:57,720
Speaker 1: jury deliberations today. They did not get a verdict yesterday,

16
00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,520
Speaker 1: which I took as a good sign for Trump. We

17
00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,640
Speaker 1: now are into Trump. That would mean to me that

18
00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,320
Speaker 1: there is someone in that jury room, maybe more than

19
00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,319
Speaker 1: one person who is unwilling to vote guilty. Now, to

20
00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,560
Speaker 1: be fair, there are a lot of different outcomes here.

21
00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,039
Speaker 1: It could be there's one person who is unwilling to

22
00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,600
Speaker 1: vote not guilty, right, could be eleven of the testimony

23
00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,280
Speaker 1: to be explicated, and I believe they are scheduled to

24
00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:33,400
Speaker 1: continue deliberations till six pm to night this evening. If

25
00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,640
Speaker 1: they have not reached a jury verdict by then, they

26
00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,479
Speaker 1: would be dismissed and they would come back on Friday.

27
00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,840
Speaker 1: At some point, the jury may get fed up. They

28
00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,960
Speaker 1: may have done a ton of different polling of that jury,

29
00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,120
Speaker 1: and if they're constantly at eleven to one or ten

30
00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,680
Speaker 1: to two, they might come back to the judge and

31
00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,880
Speaker 1: say we are at loggerheads. That is, we're at disagreement.

32
00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,320
Speaker 1: Nothing is moving, nothing is changing. That becomes frustrating for

33
00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,359
Speaker 1: both sides. Then typically what would happen is they would

34
00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,000
Speaker 1: come back and they would say we haven't been able

35
00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,120
Speaker 1: to reach a verdict. And at that point, usually the

36
00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,119
Speaker 1: judge would tell them, well go back, try again. And

37
00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,959
Speaker 1: at some point I don't know how long that process

38
00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,960
Speaker 1: could play out. That's why I've said I think if

39
00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,640
Speaker 1: it goes into the weekend, the judge would say, Okay,

40
00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,760
Speaker 1: think about this over the weekend, come back Monday, and

41
00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,040
Speaker 1: if you still haven't been able to reach a verdict,

42
00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,680
Speaker 1: then we will declare that this is a hung jury

43
00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,200
Speaker 1: and that there is no result. Certainly I don't believe

44
00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,640
Speaker 1: Merchand wants that. The judge, I think he wants a

45
00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,920
Speaker 1: Trump conviction. We know Alvin Bragg wants a Trump conviction.

46
00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,680
Speaker 1: We know most people in New York City want a

47
00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,040
Speaker 1: Trump conviction. But perhaps as we sit here in I

48
00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,800
Speaker 1: believe we're now entering roughly buck the eighth hour of

49
00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,200
Speaker 1: jury deliberation the second day. The longer this goes on,

50
00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,840
Speaker 1: the more I would believe that it would benefit Trump.

51
00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,119
Speaker 1: So that is where we are as this process continues

52
00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,639
Speaker 1: to play out. Now would ask the team in our

53
00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,840
Speaker 1: New York studio to kind of be paying attention to

54
00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:18,880
Speaker 1: what the comments are on CNN and MSNBC, where I

55
00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,720
Speaker 1: would think the longer this goes on, the more nervous

56
00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:30,600
Speaker 1: they get about how this process is itself playing out

57
00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,640
Speaker 1: and uh and so we'll see uh that that is

58
00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,160
Speaker 1: basically we're in the waiting game, like all of you.

59
00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,880
Speaker 2: You you want to uh, you want to switch up

60
00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,280
Speaker 2: something for a second here, cause well you got you

61
00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:49,280
Speaker 2: see that the the backlash against the Ilito ambush has

62
00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,320
Speaker 2: grown noticeably over the last twenty four hours.

63
00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:53,920
Speaker 1: It it really was a.

64
00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,920
Speaker 2: A stumbling block for them when the uh when the

65
00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,520
Speaker 2: appeal to heaven flag, remember when you talked about that

66
00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,640
Speaker 2: yesterday on the show, that the appeal to having flags

67
00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,800
Speaker 2: outside the Civic Center, which I think is basically the

68
00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,840
Speaker 2: same as their city hall, their city hall city hall

69
00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,120
Speaker 2: in San Francisco, So it has been flying out there

70
00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,320
Speaker 2: for decades. But the funny part to me is that

71
00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,800
Speaker 2: they took it down, like as though that somehow it was.

72
00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:19,960
Speaker 1: Up there for decades.

73
00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:25,640
Speaker 2: They were trying to leverage, leverage this story in the

74
00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,480
Speaker 2: New York Times in depth. I mean, it was a

75
00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,840
Speaker 2: long story to put pressure on Alito. But I also

76
00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,480
Speaker 2: love the Alito response to all this, which is effectively

77
00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,640
Speaker 2: a solitary finger extended in response to the media's efforts here.

78
00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,760
Speaker 2: And I think that we need more of that kind

79
00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,920
Speaker 2: of attitude when they're trying to pressure Supreme Court justices.

80
00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,839
Speaker 2: I mean, what they're really doing is at a minimum,

81
00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,240
Speaker 2: undermining the legitimacy of the decision that I think they

82
00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,280
Speaker 2: all realize is going to be coming down in about

83
00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,599
Speaker 2: the next thirty days, which will say that there is

84
00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:05,640
Speaker 2: some presidential immunity actually, and you need to review this

85
00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,279
Speaker 2: charge against Trump in light of that immunity. You know,

86
00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,560
Speaker 2: reality and they're gonna be very upset about that. They

87
00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,480
Speaker 2: may very well go, well, let's see. I don't know.

88
00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm starting to feel like all of their plans, like

89
00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,720
Speaker 2: they've thrown so many things at the wall that they

90
00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,440
Speaker 2: assumed something would come through for them, But so far

91
00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,719
Speaker 2: everything is backfiring on them. I when was the last

92
00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:35,359
Speaker 2: time you saw something the media tried against Trump work

93
00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,400
Speaker 2: in a way that the Trump campaign was concerned about it,

94
00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:39,520
Speaker 2: or that the numbers were moving?

95
00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:40,159
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean.

96
00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,480
Speaker 2: I can't think of anything in a while where I've gone, oh, man,

97
00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,040
Speaker 2: they they got them on that one. I think they're

98
00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,080
Speaker 2: we're oh, oh, this is the Joe Scarborough thing. By

99
00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,680
Speaker 2: the way, we mentioned this, I wanted to get to this.

100
00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:57,400
Speaker 2: Joe Scarborough is telling everybody, don't panic, everything is fine,

101
00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,120
Speaker 2: stop freaking out. This is cut through team play it.

102
00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:02,240
Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you.

103
00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,600
Speaker 3: The freaking out, the Democratic freaking out, is just so tiring.

104
00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,000
Speaker 3: I think the thing that bothers me the most is

105
00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,839
Speaker 3: they're freaking out about things in a national campaign. They're

106
00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,000
Speaker 3: freaking out, whether it's about this obsession with the national

107
00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,800
Speaker 3: race and the national pulling, whether it's truth, social tweets,

108
00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,119
Speaker 3: whether it's all the crazy things and confused things. Donald

109
00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,159
Speaker 3: Trump says at rallies, that's fine, But this race is

110
00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,200
Speaker 3: not going to be one in the courthouse in Manhattan,

111
00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,440
Speaker 3: regardless of the outcome of the case. It's going to

112
00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,960
Speaker 3: be one by knocking on doors in Kenosha. But again,

113
00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,159
Speaker 3: the stupidity that I've been listening to over the past

114
00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,240
Speaker 3: several months about how this race is over and Democrats

115
00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,520
Speaker 3: are freaking out and Trumpers are so overconfident.

116
00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,679
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone has said that this is over,

117
00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,400
Speaker 2: to be clear, But.

118
00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:52,440
Speaker 4: Is this just.

119
00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,360
Speaker 2: Denihilism or is is Joe cool like the other side

120
00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,719
Speaker 2: of the pillow. He understands that they're going to try

121
00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,320
Speaker 2: to pull some shenanigans. It does matter that Biden's a clown.

122
00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,520
Speaker 1: So I just keep looking at this and saying, their

123
00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,680
Speaker 1: clear plan has been foiled in many ways associated with

124
00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,520
Speaker 1: keeping Trump in a courtroom for the entire season. They

125
00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,240
Speaker 1: were right. I believe that Republicans rallied around Trump and

126
00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,560
Speaker 1: made him the nominee. They've been totally wrong about how

127
00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,720
Speaker 1: it would impact the national election. And for people out

128
00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,280
Speaker 1: there who say, oh, the polls are wrong, I understand

129
00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,800
Speaker 1: your argument. I disagree with it because Biden is spending

130
00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,640
Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars and the polls really aren't

131
00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,960
Speaker 1: moving very much. Whatever you think about the polls, they

132
00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,880
Speaker 1: aren't adjusting substantially in any direction based on much of

133
00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,360
Speaker 1: what's occurring, which, to me buck is actually very logical

134
00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,800
Speaker 1: because we've never had a double incumbent race before. And

135
00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,240
Speaker 1: so the point I'm making here is what could make

136
00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:10,960
Speaker 1: someone change their opinion of Biden or Trump at this point.

137
00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,240
Speaker 1: Now I understand the argument of what's the turnout going

138
00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,120
Speaker 1: to be, which voters are going to show up?

139
00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,600
Speaker 2: All of that always fensitters, right, They're always undecided. That's

140
00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,600
Speaker 2: what the whole election turns into is how do we

141
00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,720
Speaker 2: get the undecided? How do we get the fences.

142
00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't even think there are actually any undecideds at

143
00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,760
Speaker 1: this point. I just we have we have everybody has

144
00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,560
Speaker 1: made and come up with an opinion of Donald Trump,

145
00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,000
Speaker 1: everybody I believe has made and come up with an

146
00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,160
Speaker 1: opinion of Joe Biden. And so I think the number

147
00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,720
Speaker 1: of movable people is tiny, and I think what we're

148
00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,720
Speaker 1: going to see is what we have already seen for

149
00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,080
Speaker 1: much of the last six months, which is opinions are

150
00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,720
Speaker 1: pretty fixed, and Biden's going to have to run the

151
00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:04,880
Speaker 1: table in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania to be president of

152
00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,440
Speaker 1: the United States. That's it. That's his only path. He's

153
00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,839
Speaker 1: not gonna flip North Carolina. I think he's very likely

154
00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,439
Speaker 1: to lose Georgia, in Arizona and maybe Nevada. And if

155
00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,480
Speaker 1: you look at the map and you just I think

156
00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna be saying this for the next five months.

157
00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,559
Speaker 1: If you look at the math, this is a Wisconsin, Pennsylvania,

158
00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,920
Speaker 1: Michigan race and Biden has to win all three and

159
00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,280
Speaker 1: Trump just has to win one of them. Now, there

160
00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,080
Speaker 1: are other aspects out there. We talked about yesterday. Virginia

161
00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:42,679
Speaker 1: there's a tie pole there, Minnesota, New Hampshire. There are

162
00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,720
Speaker 1: other states that could loom large here. But if they

163
00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,520
Speaker 1: loom large, Trump is winning. I don't see a pathway

164
00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:57,000
Speaker 1: where Biden's calculus allows him to win Without Wisconsin, Pennsylvania,

165
00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,640
Speaker 1: and Michigan. Trump has the chance to blow up the right.

166
00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he could win Virginia. That election result could

167
00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,000
Speaker 1: come down at nine o'clock Eastern and everybody's gonna say,

168
00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,760
Speaker 1: you know what, this race is over. Biden doesn't have

169
00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,400
Speaker 1: that chess piece on the board right now, and I

170
00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,640
Speaker 1: don't see it moving. And here's what I'll say. He

171
00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,280
Speaker 1: just hit an all time low for approval ratings. I

172
00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,120
Speaker 1: actually think the more time people consider the incumbent, the

173
00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,199
Speaker 1: less likely they are to circle back around to him.

174
00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,240
Speaker 1: They're more likely, I think, to decide, you know what,

175
00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:39,880
Speaker 1: these expenses are crazy. I'm frustrated. I'm unhappy. Inflation is

176
00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:44,120
Speaker 1: out of control, things cost what they shouldn't. I'm disappointed.

177
00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw the bum in office out of power.

178
00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,480
Speaker 1: I think that's where we're headed right now, five months out.

179
00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,920
Speaker 1: Unless and we've been talking about this, is there? I

180
00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,640
Speaker 1: just what is new about Trump? What could you hear

181
00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,160
Speaker 1: about Trump? And you'd be like, you know what, this

182
00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,400
Speaker 1: totally changes my opinion of Trump.

183
00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,640
Speaker 2: Well, you know there's one thing that used to used

184
00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,440
Speaker 2: to hear about a lot. And I remember this from

185
00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,040
Speaker 2: the good old Trump days twenty sixteen to twenty twenty.

186
00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,000
Speaker 2: People would say, particularly with the Twitter stuff at the time,

187
00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,560
Speaker 2: oh you know, he's it's too much. Or you'd have

188
00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,360
Speaker 2: people who were nominally Republicans, like Mitt Romney style Republicans

189
00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,840
Speaker 2: who would say things about how they like the policies,

190
00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,440
Speaker 2: but they don't approve of his style.

191
00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:28,320
Speaker 1: Stuff like that.

192
00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,920
Speaker 2: Well, right now the guy's being dragged into court all

193
00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,680
Speaker 2: over the place and isn't on Twitter, and so he's

194
00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,959
Speaker 2: not able to I think he's not able to get

195
00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,240
Speaker 2: to that level of maybe overexposure where some people start

196
00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,840
Speaker 2: to forget about the good policies and focus in on

197
00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,640
Speaker 2: you know, I don't like his course language or whatever.

198
00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,080
Speaker 2: We're slicing the onion thin here, to be clear, but

199
00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,120
Speaker 2: that's the best I can do for you on you know,

200
00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,600
Speaker 2: where people on the right at least may start to tire.

201
00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,640
Speaker 2: I guess a little bit of Trump in some way,

202
00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,199
Speaker 2: but I don't see that happening this time. That's the thing.

203
00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,000
Speaker 2: It's the number. I mean, that's not reflected in the numbers.

204
00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,320
Speaker 2: It would just be Could that happen in the future.

205
00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. But I actually am fascinated by this.

206
00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,599
Speaker 2: Do we have an undecided voter listening right now? I

207
00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,800
Speaker 2: would really want to hear this, Like, do we have

208
00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,560
Speaker 2: somebody who has voted Republican and has voted demonstrating to

209
00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,240
Speaker 2: us right now, listening to us right now? So you

210
00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,400
Speaker 2: voted for you know, you voted for Trump once, you

211
00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,800
Speaker 2: voted for Biden once and now you really don't know.

212
00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,600
Speaker 2: I'd be fascinated, and we will. I'm not looking to,

213
00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,760
Speaker 2: you know, antagonize anybody. We love that you listen and

214
00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,640
Speaker 2: we appreciate it. But I would just be fascinated to

215
00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,280
Speaker 2: hear what that thought process is. Because Clay, you know,

216
00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,760
Speaker 2: you keep saying no one's gonna change their mind. Dude,

217
00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,760
Speaker 2: a lot of people still watch like America's got talent

218
00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,000
Speaker 2: and and are just focused on, you know, paying the

219
00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,640
Speaker 2: electricity bill, and they're not.

220
00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:58,920
Speaker 4: They're not.

221
00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,480
Speaker 2: Are people like everyone listening right now who's tuned into

222
00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:02,920
Speaker 2: this stuff?

223
00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,239
Speaker 1: So I get that, you know, but the data reflects

224
00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,359
Speaker 1: that most of the time, you know how an undecided

225
00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,840
Speaker 1: voter is going to end up voting even when they're undecided.

226
00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,840
Speaker 1: Like you can go in and you can be like, okay,

227
00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,400
Speaker 1: what is your answer to these six questions? They typically

228
00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,560
Speaker 1: break one way or the other. You can kind of

229
00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,560
Speaker 1: have a sense. I think the bigger question right now

230
00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,680
Speaker 1: than how is this all going to break down? Because

231
00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,840
Speaker 1: my belief is that basically everybody's made up their minds

232
00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,760
Speaker 1: is how many people show up? Because that is the

233
00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,760
Speaker 1: question to me, if you are a low propensity voter

234
00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,840
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, are you going to go stand in line

235
00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,800
Speaker 1: and vote? If you're a low propensity voter in you know, uh,

236
00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,760
Speaker 1: Northern Michigan, are you going to go stand in line

237
00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,600
Speaker 1: and vote? Because those can cut different ways, and that

238
00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,800
Speaker 1: really goes to the strength of the candidate. Turnout, to

239
00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:58,199
Speaker 1: me is a more interesting debate than the personal opinions

240
00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,720
Speaker 1: because turnout can swing an election three or four points.

241
00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,480
Speaker 1: That's clearly the kind of election we're going to have.

242
00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,520
Speaker 1: Who's more motivated, what base is going to do a

243
00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:12,120
Speaker 1: better job of getting out their voters. Clearly Democrats have

244
00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,320
Speaker 1: done a better job getting their base out in twenty

245
00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,559
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty two on average.

246
00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,840
Speaker 2: I can't imagine. I can't imagine the person who voted

247
00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,920
Speaker 2: for Trump in twenty sixteen and in twenty twenty and

248
00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,760
Speaker 2: wouldn't show up this time. You know, that's an I'm

249
00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:29,720
Speaker 2: just trying to get in the mind.

250
00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,240
Speaker 1: I think the Biden people are less motivated now because

251
00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,560
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty you could buy into the idea because

252
00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,160
Speaker 1: of COVID all the Trump is the World's coming to

253
00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:40,600
Speaker 1: an end.

254
00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and had some residence. Well, also, you're hearing a

255
00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,600
Speaker 2: lot less you notice about like threats to democracy right now.

256
00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't work when you're trying to put your chief

257
00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,600
Speaker 1: political opponent in prison the rest of his life.

258
00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they may have actually taken their most potent political

259
00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,080
Speaker 2: weapon off the board by trying to make something even

260
00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,520
Speaker 2: more potent, which is this lawfair campaign. Come back into

261
00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,400
Speaker 2: this year in a second. But before Kerry and I

262
00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,480
Speaker 2: were homeowners, I had no idea how much upkeep is

263
00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,680
Speaker 2: required for a house. And you know, we just have

264
00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,720
Speaker 2: a cozy little house. You go over to Castle Clay.

265
00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,800
Speaker 2: My god, I don't know how they keep these things

266
00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,240
Speaker 2: clean and functioning. There's so much work that goes into

267
00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,400
Speaker 2: a home. Trees in your yard, you got all kinds

268
00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,680
Speaker 2: of stuff, and eventually you're gonna have a gutter problem.

269
00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,640
Speaker 2: Cleaning out gutters on a ladder is not an ideal

270
00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,280
Speaker 2: way to spend a Saturday. But there's a smart, long

271
00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,040
Speaker 2: term solution now available. It comes from leaf Filter. Right now,

272
00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,760
Speaker 2: you can save twenty percent off your entire purchase, or

273
00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,320
Speaker 2: thirty percent if you qualify for their military or Senior

274
00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,120
Speaker 2: citizen discount on the website Leaffilter dot com, slash Clay

275
00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:39,840
Speaker 2: and buck let me say it again because it's long.

276
00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,120
Speaker 2: Leaffilter dot com Slash, Clay and Buck protect your home

277
00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,160
Speaker 2: and never clean out gutters again. Think about that. You're like, Oh,

278
00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,000
Speaker 2: I'd rather go do something else. Well, now you can.

279
00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:55,160
Speaker 2: Leaf Filter allows you that freedom, that luxury. It's America's

280
00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,960
Speaker 2: number one gutter protection system. Schedule your free inspection now.

281
00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,480
Speaker 2: Get twenty percent off your entire purchase at leaffilter dot

282
00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,240
Speaker 2: com Slash Clay and Buck, Clay and Buck, and remember

283
00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,040
Speaker 2: an additional ten percent off of a senior or military discount.

284
00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,560
Speaker 2: The website is l e a f Leaffilter dot com

285
00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,640
Speaker 2: Slash Clayandbuck. See the representative for warranty details. Promotion is

286
00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,040
Speaker 2: twenty percent off plus a ten percent senior or military discount,

287
00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,240
Speaker 2: with one discount per household.

288
00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,600
Speaker 5: Twenty four on You podcast from Clay and Buck covering

289
00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,800
Speaker 5: all things Election episodes Drum Sundays at noon Eastern. Find

290
00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,640
Speaker 5: it on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get

291
00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:34,520
Speaker 5: your podcasts.

292
00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:39,120
Speaker 2: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We have Cash Patel

293
00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,320
Speaker 2: joining us in this three minutes. He is a close

294
00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,640
Speaker 2: advisor to President Trump, worked for him at the do

295
00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:51,360
Speaker 2: OD Senior Pentagon guy back in the Trump years, and

296
00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,160
Speaker 2: he's following this very closely. We'll talk to about what

297
00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,440
Speaker 2: he's hearing from the Trump team is there. It's a

298
00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,640
Speaker 2: lot of hurry up and wait, as they say in

299
00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,760
Speaker 2: the military right now, a lot of hurry up and wait.

300
00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,880
Speaker 2: Where you know, we're gonna talk about some other things.

301
00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,359
Speaker 2: I think we might just get into some other topics

302
00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,439
Speaker 2: as we're sitting here, because the amount of you know,

303
00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,479
Speaker 2: the amount of analysis we can do about well, it

304
00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,240
Speaker 2: could be or it couldn't be, or it could be

305
00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,320
Speaker 2: or it couldn't be. He started to run a little

306
00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,080
Speaker 2: out of steam on that after a while. There are

307
00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,360
Speaker 2: some other stories they'll clay, like the Boston mayor deciding

308
00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,399
Speaker 2: that maybe they should just stop enforcing the law. We'll

309
00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:23,040
Speaker 2: talk about it.

310
00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,800
Speaker 1: At a time when prices everywhere are going up. Team

311
00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,199
Speaker 1: at my Pillows lowered the prices on more than one

312
00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,360
Speaker 1: hundred items with their twenty five dollars extravaganza. Sell head

313
00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,119
Speaker 1: on over my pillow dot com. Check out all the

314
00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,240
Speaker 1: great deals sheets, towels, pillows, sandals, slippers. You'll find some

315
00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,800
Speaker 1: products more than seventy five percent off their regular prices.

316
00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,440
Speaker 1: How do they do it well, They eliminated the middleman,

317
00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,680
Speaker 1: the retailer. They're able to offer much better pricing past

318
00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,600
Speaker 1: the savings onto you MyPillow dot com. Use our names

319
00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,480
Speaker 1: Clay and Buck as the promo code. With Father's Day

320
00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,520
Speaker 1: just around the corner. How about some new slippers, maybe

321
00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,600
Speaker 1: a Paris slides for the beach. At twenty five bucks,

322
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,680
Speaker 1: you just can't go wrong. Go to my pillow dot

323
00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,880
Speaker 1: com click on the radio listeners special square for these

324
00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,200
Speaker 1: twenty five dollars deals. Free shipping on orders over seventy

325
00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,560
Speaker 1: five bucks. Use the promo code Clay and Buck to

326
00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,119
Speaker 1: access the sale. That's MyPillow dot Com code Clay and Bucks.

327
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,840
Speaker 5: Lee Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.

328
00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,280
Speaker 1: Welcome back in. I texted. I texted with the Trump

329
00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,959
Speaker 1: team as they are sitting waiting for a jury verdict,

330
00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,920
Speaker 1: and just said, hey, does Trump want to call into

331
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,360
Speaker 1: the show? And they shot back and said they don't

332
00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,680
Speaker 1: want to do that while they're waiting, but they wanted

333
00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,720
Speaker 1: to pass this message along from Trump himself to all

334
00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,399
Speaker 1: of you rig trial, corrupt judge. But I have the

335
00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,960
Speaker 1: facts all caps on my side. Testimony conclusively showed that

336
00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 1: I clearly stated I don't buy stories all caps. So

337
00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:04,400
Speaker 1: that is from Trump himself as they sit waiting in

338
00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:08,239
Speaker 1: the court house for this verdict to come back. We

339
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 1: are joined now by a guy who knows the president

340
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,600
Speaker 1: pretty well, Cashptel, and has also had to deal with

341
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,320
Speaker 1: a lot of this law there on many different levels.

342
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,120
Speaker 1: So let's start with the question that everybody is asking.

343
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,400
Speaker 1: What do you think this jury is thinking right now? Cash?

344
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,720
Speaker 1: How do you think they are going about their deliberations?

345
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,560
Speaker 1: Do you agree that the longer this goes on potentially

346
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 1: the better this could be for Trump? What should we

347
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,760
Speaker 1: know from your perspective as we sit here waiting to

348
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:38,680
Speaker 1: see what's going to happen.

349
00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 4: Thank it's great to be with you guys, And the

350
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,639
Speaker 4: best perspective you just got it was from the President

351
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,480
Speaker 4: Trump himself, but for my chair as a former federal

352
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,439
Speaker 4: prosecutor and public defender who tried sixty of these cases

353
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 4: to verdict in state and federal court and was with

354
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 4: the President all day last week when the Costello testimony

355
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 4: hit the stand, I saw jurors. I observed the jurors

356
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 4: because I was my They found Bob Costello, with their

357
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,640
Speaker 4: mannerisms credible. I also watched the jurors when they were

358
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 4: watching Michael Cohen lie through their teeth, and not a

359
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,439
Speaker 4: single one of the jurors would make eye contact with

360
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 4: Michael Cohen, but they were all looking intently at Bob Costello.

361
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 4: To me, from a credibility standpoint, that means the jury

362
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 4: saw what we saw, what the world saw was the truth.

363
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 4: But from that vantage point, when you put them back

364
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,440
Speaker 4: in the jury room, it's a different story. They are

365
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 4: looking now to see if there's anyone on there that's

366
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 4: going to hold the line and find Donald Trump not

367
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 4: guilty based on the facts of the law, or whether

368
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 4: they're going to do what we call splitting the baby

369
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,920
Speaker 4: because he's caught charge with thirty four counts.

370
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,920
Speaker 6: Are they going to say, let's just go home.

371
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 4: We'll ask a few questions, will make it look like

372
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 4: we did our jobs, and we'll convict them of one

373
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,199
Speaker 4: or two things. So the Biden administration can have the

374
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 4: headline that Donald Trump's a convicted fell and there's really

375
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 4: no way to read it in terms of time back

376
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,360
Speaker 4: in the jury room.

377
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 2: Hey Cash, it's buck good to have you on as always,

378
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,199
Speaker 2: and drawing upon your time as a prosecutor in the past,

379
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 2: have you ever seen anything like this. We mentioned it

380
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 2: maybe earlier in the hour, where a prosecutor takes one

381
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 2: alleged act, one alleged and I didn't even like to

382
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: say this is criminal, because I don't even think it is.

383
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,400
Speaker 2: But put that aside, one alleged criminal act and then

384
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 2: just counts it dozens of times the same thing because

385
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 2: of like xerox machines and emails or something.

386
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Have you ever seen

387
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: this before?

388
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 4: No? Never, It's not even that I haven't seen one

389
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 4: of these acts before. It to me is astounding that

390
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 4: I keep seeing so many unconstitutional acts in just one trial,

391
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 4: whether it's the jury instructions, which were literally the first

392
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 4: time I've ever heard that a verdict does not have

393
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 4: to be unanimous. The Supreme Court has clearly established that

394
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 4: every element of every crime charge must be unanimously found

395
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 4: beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict the defendant.

396
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 5: Then you have the.

397
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 4: Government Alvin Bragg here pasting together thirty four times over

398
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 4: a felony that they made up out of thin air,

399
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 4: which they have no jurisdiction to do because they do

400
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 4: not have the authority to govern sec regulations and violations,

401
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 4: not to mention that fact, as the FEC and the

402
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 4: DJ said, Donald Trump did not commit those violations. But

403
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 4: what they're hoping for is to throw everything against the

404
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 4: wall prosecution and hope one piece of spaghetti sticks. And

405
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 4: that's what you get when you have this sort of

406
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 4: thirty four x rubber stamp prosecution. You hope to basically

407
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 4: inflame the jurors so much to say, wow, thirty four felonies,

408
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 4: he must have done something wrong, So we got to

409
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 4: find him guilty of at least one thing. That's their hope,

410
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 4: But that's not the law.

411
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 1: Cash. A couple of questions for you, because you've got

412
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: good experience in these matters. We were taking calls from listeners.

413
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: One asked, Okay, if there's a hung jury, how fast

414
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: could they try Trump again? I'm curious what you've ever

415
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 1: seen in terms of the turnaround on a rapid case

416
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: like this second part. Do you agree with me that

417
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: this is a almost one hundred percent certain case that's

418
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 1: going to be reversed on appeal And what do you

419
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: think the strongest grounds for that reversal would be.

420
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, in due course, you could go from a

421
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 4: hungary to a trial relatively quickly, but here in the

422
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 4: details we exposed yet another corrupt activity by this judge.

423
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 4: This judge has Steve Bannon's case. This judge has a

424
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 4: Trump organization's case. This judge, it was supposed to be

425
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 4: given these cases or the cases were supposed to be

426
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 4: distributed anonymously, somehow found all three of them and he

427
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 4: set to try Steve Bennon right after Donald Trump. So

428
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 4: I don't know how that would happen if that's already

429
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 4: the trial posture for the summer, it would seem to

430
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 4: me impossible. But in terms of it being what we

431
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 4: call reversible error, meaning there's an issue of law that

432
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 4: was so blatantly unconstitutional the whole case gets reversed. I

433
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 4: think it's littered with reversible error from the jury instruction

434
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 4: that we just talked about, to the the actual indictment

435
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 4: itself about bootstrapping a federal issue to a misdemeanor at

436
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 4: the state level, just to raise it to a felony,

437
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 4: and then whether or not this jurisdictional office at the

438
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 4: DAS has the ability to prosecute this case or just

439
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 4: three of them. But as we talked about, those issues

440
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 4: will take two to three years on appeal to litigate.

441
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 4: All these guys care about is a misinformation headline that

442
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 4: Donald Trump is a convicted fellon for the next four

443
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 4: months to run that tape out in the court of

444
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 4: public opinion.

445
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: Speaking of Cash Patel, who was a member of the

446
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: Trump DoD he was acting chief of staff at the

447
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: Pentagon when Trump was in office, and Cash and also

448
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: former federal prosecutor Cash, if the situation here turns into

449
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: a guilty verdict, what do you think they're going to do?

450
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 4: I mean, if the situation is turned into a guilty

451
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 4: verdict and this judge does not allow Donald Trump to

452
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 4: what we call stay out of custody pending appeal, then

453
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 4: I think that any jail time that is put upon

454
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 4: Donald Trump is going to cause the American public to

455
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 4: rightly so have a reaction that sends Donald Trump to

456
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 4: the White House basically overnight. I know the election's far away,

457
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 4: but I think that's what's going to be the reaction.

458
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 4: At least that's what I've observed when I've been in

459
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 4: around the courtroom and around the country when I talk

460
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 4: to people about what if Donald Trump's imprisoned in this matter,

461
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 4: and Americans not only don't have the stomach for that.

462
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 4: Americans don't want to see the weaponized system of justice

463
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 4: decide for them who they get to vote for on

464
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 4: election day come November fifth. So this judge would be

465
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 4: wise to allow Donald Trump to do everything he's been

466
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 4: doing pending the course of appeal. But again, we've seen

467
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 4: what this judge has done, one unconstitutional act at a time.

468
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 4: So you have no idea what he's going to do

469
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: because he's in it for the prosecution, he's in it

470
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 4: for the Democrats, and he's in it for his daughter

471
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 4: to make some more money while he turns out this

472
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 4: disinformation campaign from his courtroom.

473
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: Gosh, how nervous do you think think the prosecution is

474
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: right now? As we're now coming up on eight or

475
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: nine hours of deliberation, do you think they expected to

476
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: get a guilty verdict faster than this? Do you think

477
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: as this time continues to grow, questions get asked that

478
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: they get more nervous about the idea of this being

479
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: a hung jury. How would you take us into their

480
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: mind so far as you.

481
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 4: Could, Yeah, from prosecutorial standpoint in this case, with a

482
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 4: judge who is basically on your team, I would have

483
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 4: expected a prosecution within the hour based upon the exclusion

484
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 4: of all evidence of innocence. So remember when the judge

485
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 4: excluded evidence that was outside the presence of the jury.

486
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 4: You and I have talked and read about it. But

487
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 4: the jury doesn't even know about half of Bob Prostello's

488
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: testimony or the legal expert that President Donald Trump wanted

489
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 4: to bring in about campaign finance law that would have

490
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 4: exonerated Donald Trump. They have had a limited scope of information.

491
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 4: So even with that limited scope of information, they're sitting

492
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 4: back there saying, wait a second, We're in day two,

493
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 4: and the prosecutor's got to be freaking out a little

494
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 4: bit because they've already returned with questions that directly speak

495
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 4: to the elements of the crimes charged and questions about

496
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 4: the burden of proof. To me, that show that they

497
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 4: are considering across the board whether or not the prosecutors

498
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 4: have met their burden of proof. So if I were

499
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 4: the prosecutors in this case, I'd be a little scared.

500
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 4: And the longer goes on, I think it enores the

501
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 4: benefit of President Trump.

502
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: Cash again a timeline question. Having been in the role

503
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: of federal prosecutor yourself, do you think that Jack Smith,

504
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: I'm sorry switching gears here. I know we're all waiting

505
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: for the New York City verdict, but do you think

506
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: the Jack Smith is going to try to at least

507
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: begin the January sixth DC based trial before the election

508
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: or is it just functionally impossible for him to do so.

509
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 4: Well, right now, what we call it is he and

510
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 4: Judge Tucken are seized of jurisdictions. The presidential immunity presidential

511
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,479
Speaker 4: privileged question is before the United States Supreme Court, so

512
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 4: they can't even issue a scheduling order or request a

513
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 4: judge issue a scheduling order because they do not have

514
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 4: the authority under the law with the case of the

515
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: Supreme Court to do anything at the trial level. Should

516
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 4: the court return a verdict or see the a decision

517
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 4: this summer, which I think they will in June or July,

518
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 4: remember that whole clock restarts and they have to take

519
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 4: the case based up the direction of the Supreme Court's decisions,

520
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 4: and then the defense is going to rightfully so file

521
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 4: motions to dismiss the case outright or a number of

522
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: charges based on the Supreme Court decision. So I just

523
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: don't see it getting there. And this is why I

524
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 4: think everyone's so focused on Alvin Braggs. It was the

525
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 4: last case everybody anyone cared about because they thought Georgia

526
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 4: would come in first, They thought Washington, DC would come

527
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 4: in first, they thought Florida would come in first. But

528
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 4: now they see that through the exposition of all the

529
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 4: unconstitutional acts in those cases collectively, their last straw is

530
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 4: New York. And I think that's what they're putting all

531
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 4: their eggs in one basket for What.

532
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: Else do you think we should know about this case

533
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: that we haven't asked you? What should be a top

534
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: of mind? And we're talking about the New York City

535
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: case in particular here as this jury deliberation continues, what

536
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: do you want our audience to know?

537
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 4: You, As a former officer of the court who's been

538
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 4: on both sides of this thing, I want the audience

539
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 4: to think of the following. Do you want constitutional due

540
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 4: process to be selectively applied to you and those you

541
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: love in your community and your family based on your

542
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: political preferences? Do you want a ruling elite to come

543
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: down upon you and your community and say you disagree

544
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 4: with how we want to conduct our government, so we

545
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 4: are going to prosecute you based on made up crimes.

546
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 4: I think for me, this is the existential judicial question

547
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 4: of our time. Anyone who wants to see Donald Trump

548
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: convicted wants to light our constitution on fire, and we

549
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 4: cannot have that just because you disagree with his political orientation.

550
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 4: To me, this is the most important case of our lifetime,

551
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 4: and America and the world are watching. We are no

552
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 4: longer a standard of beacon of justice if we get

553
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: this case wrong.

554
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: High stakes. Indeed, he's kash Ptel. We appreciate the time.

555
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll be talking to you again soon.

556
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 4: Thanks, jan have a great day.

557
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: Thank you do you are a loved one. Fall into

558
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: any of these categories military, police, fire ems, teacher, government

559
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: service employee, all of those federal, state, or city. If

560
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: the answer is yes, you've got to check out gov x,

561
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: which offers incredible savings for those who serve our country

562
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: and our communities. Join today already eight million members, fast,

563
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: easy and free. Just go to gov x dot com

564
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: sign up. Once you're a gov x member, you'll unlock

565
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: unbeatable discounts from thousands of trusted brands. Names you'll recognize

566
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: like YETI, ray Ban, Benchmade Garment, and others. You'll also

567
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: have access to tickets for live sporting events, music concerts,

568
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: theme parks, attractions, and more. Best part might be this,

569
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: Thanks to govex gives Back, gov X will donate a

570
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: portion of every order to know onprofits that serve the

571
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: military and first responder communities. When you shop on gov

572
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: x dot com, your orders make a meaningful impact. So

573
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: save up to forty percent on apparel, footwear, jewelry, watches, camping,

574
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: hunting gear, so much more something for everyone on gov

575
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: x dot com. See if you qualify. Visit govx dot com.

576
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: Use my name Clay in the shopping cart and you

577
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: get an extra fifteen dollars off your first order. That's

578
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: govx dot com, my name Clay for an extra fifteen

579
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: dollars off your first order gov x dot com savings

580
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: For those who serve.

581
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 5: Need a break from follozis a little comedy to counter

582
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 5: the craziness, so do we The Sunday.

583
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: Hang, a weekend podcast to lighten things up a bit.

584
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 5: Find it in the Clay and Buck podcast feed, on

585
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 5: the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

586
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: Them back into Clay and Buck. We are going to

587
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: continue Verdict watch Dun Dun dund This is an ominous

588
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: sound effect that I made in case you didn't know.

589
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: We're going to continue to look for well, hopefully it's

590
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: not ominous at all in the sense that or it

591
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: won't be that we'll get at least a hung jury here.

592
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: But we'll see, we'll see, and we're going to talk

593
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: also about the situation that Biden faces, not just the

594
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: overall low approval numbers he's got, but also the lack

595
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: of support that is showing up in the data for

596
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: Biden among young black male voters, which is a demographic

597
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: that Biden needs to do very, very well with or

598
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: else it's all over for him in the election. We'll

599
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: get to that. But I asked this question aloud, and

600
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: we have one. Is there somebody out there who is

601
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: an independent voter who voted for Trump, then voted for

602
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: Biden and is now on the fence in North Carolina?

603
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: You claim to be one of the few. Good to

604
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: have you on.

605
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 7: I am that's honor to talk to you, guys. I'll

606
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 7: listen to you all the time when I'm I traveling.

607
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 2: Thank you.

608
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, I kind of classify myself this election cycle, say

609
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 7: I'm a rape.

610
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 6: What I consider to be a Reagan Conservative.

611
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 7: I like that's the era of the time period that

612
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 7: I grew up, and I am in this election kind

613
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 7: of what I guess you consider a dangerous voter.

614
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 6: Because I don't know who to vote for them.

615
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 7: I voted in the twenty sixteen election for mister Trump

616
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 7: for the fact that we had eight years of the

617
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 7: Clinton and I was not a big fan of their policies.

618
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: Can I ask you, and I want to ask these

619
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: questions and it's just as straightforward to fascist possible, because

620
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,239
Speaker 2: I don't want to try to lead you one way

621
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: or the other, and I just want to hear what

622
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: you have to say. Did you think that Trump did

623
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: a good job in his four years because you voted

624
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: for Biden? So what happened?

625
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 6: I do think that some of the policies that he

626
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 6: had were good for the country.

627
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 7: When gas costs more to put in your car, when

628
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 7: a gap a dozen eggs cost more to buy than

629
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 7: a gallon of gas, we got a problem.

630
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 6: Towards the end of mister Trump's term in office.

631
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 7: I was paying a dollar sixty five at gallon for gas.

632
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 6: Now it's twice that, and you know we shouldn't be

633
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 6: paying that.

634
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 7: There's no, wady, Okay, the big problem that I have

635
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 7: and why did you switch?

636
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 4: Then?

637
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: Why did? I'm sorry to cut you off, and I'm

638
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: just kind of fascinated. So you voted for Trump in sixteen,

639
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: you voted for Biden in twenty twenty. What was the

640
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: reason why you switched?

641
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 7: The big reason is I guess it was the way

642
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 7: I was raised.

643
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 6: Just because you can.

644
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 7: Think something does not necessarily mean it needs to come

645
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 7: out of your mouth.

646
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: Jim Trump decorum. This is what I was saying.

647
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: You were bothered by his temperament. Okay, So now what

648
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: are you What's going to make your decision in twenty

649
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: four How do you? How do you what what matters

650
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: to you the most? You mentioned gas prices? What's what

651
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: will make you pull the trigger one way or the other?

652
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 6: Who he picks for a vice president? Now I'm carefully

653
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 6: the reason.

654
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: Who would you want him to pick? Who would be

655
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: a pick? And you would say, I'm one hundred percent

656
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: voting for Trump one.

657
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 6: Or two people. If he picks Roan DeSantis, Okay, if

658
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 6: he pulls the plug and picks Nikki Haley, it's a

659
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 6: done deal. I'll vote for him, no problem, no, because

660
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 6: all right, yeah, what I'm looking at with both of

661
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 6: these two candidates for me is age because he says

662
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 6: that neither one of them they may do four years,

663
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 6: which means you have to have.

664
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: A confidence VP and play Jim Jim.

665
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: We're about to come into a break. I just want

666
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: they thank you for calling in, thank you for taking

667
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 2: our questions and the spirit in which they were offered.

668
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: We're gonna analyze this a little bit more. That was

669
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: very interesting though, But Clay, this is what I was

670
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: saying about the people that without him on Twitter and

671
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: without him constantly present, some people were bothered by Trump's

672
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: style and his tone. Who are Republican voters. We'll come

673
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: back and talk about them,