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Speaker 1: down twenty four hours and counting. Right now, the entire

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Speaker 1: country on high alert after the attack on our capitol.

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Speaker 1: Straight back out to Scott Taylor joining us from ABC

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Speaker 1: seven w j LA. Colin Clark playing it close to

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Speaker 1: the vest about how the president and the vice president

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Speaker 1: elects are going to be protected. But what do you know.

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Speaker 1: I understand they're going to be using underground tunnels, bulletproof glass,

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Speaker 1: a section cordoned off. There's not going to be a

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Speaker 1: huge mall full of people right now. That mall has

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Speaker 1: been planted with hundreds and hundreds of flags. What else

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Speaker 1: are the protective measures that you know off Scott, Well,

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Speaker 1: I want to make a point real quick, Nancy. You know,

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Speaker 1: the security level just rose today. We're not talking about today,

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Speaker 1: and the reason why I say that is because President LEC.

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Speaker 1: Biden and Vice President Elect Harris are arriving today in DC.

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Speaker 1: So security has stepped up. And I also want to

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Speaker 1: mention that we talked about how is President Luc Biden

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Speaker 1: getting to DC? Well, he usually, you know, Nancy, would

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Speaker 1: take a train. He's done that for years from where

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Speaker 1: he lives into DC. That's been canceled due to security reasons.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go into exactly how he's getting

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Speaker 1: here either, but I do know tonight he and President

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Speaker 1: elect Vice President Harris is going to be attending a

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Speaker 1: national Mall ceremony to honor COVID victims. So security jumped

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Speaker 1: up sky high today as we head into tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: tomorrow you mentioned that's all the security that's going on,

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Speaker 1: and I think what's really important is to talk about

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Speaker 1: they're going to do a lot of this virtually, You're

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Speaker 1: not going to see everything like you usually do, and

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Speaker 1: that's due to the security concerns in DC today and

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Speaker 1: tomorrow Colin py Clarks, fine, group, the president can't hide.

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Speaker 1: He cannot hide. He's got to be out there. There's

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Speaker 1: no way he can hide, right, So I don't think

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Speaker 1: he should hide. I think, you know, I'm actually just

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Speaker 1: seeing this on Twitter news from a colleague of mine

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Speaker 1: who lives on Capitol Hill. If there's a bomb threat

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Speaker 1: just today and that people are being asked to stay

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Speaker 1: inside while the FBI investigate a suspicious staffish. Yesterday we

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Speaker 1: had a fire, Yeah, Colin, we had that fire yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and that's one really good security test. They were practicing

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Speaker 1: the inauguration ceremony and cleared everybody out within minutes and

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Speaker 1: it ended up being a fire a gentleman in a

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Speaker 1: homeless encampment. But that was a really good test. Now

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Speaker 1: quickly they moved everybody out and into secure bunkers. But

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about today as well, just as of twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes ago, another bomb threat on Capitol Hill. So you know,

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Speaker 1: people are tense and on edge, and you know, things

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Speaker 1: that might be considered normal and ordinary circumstances are going

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Speaker 1: to be treated much differently now and for the next

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Speaker 1: couple of days. Colin Clark, exactly my point, Doctor Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 1: There was a time where the people that broke into

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Speaker 1: attacked our capitol may have gotten a slap on the wrist. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we can do that. I would have

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Speaker 1: done it to start with. But for instance, whoever called

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Speaker 1: in a bomb threat that Colin P. Clark just told

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Speaker 1: us about the fire as it turned out, and the

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Speaker 1: recent hours turned out to be not a threat. But still,

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Speaker 1: whoever is calling in a bomb threat. Everyone that takes

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Speaker 1: a single action against this inauguration must be charged to

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Speaker 1: the fullest extent of the law. There's got to be

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Speaker 1: a deterrent. Well, you know, Nancy, Colin P. Complete Clark

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Speaker 1: has been studying this for years, but now we're getting

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Speaker 1: a lesson as a nation and how serious all of

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Speaker 1: these attacks are, the motivations for the attack, and you've

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Speaker 1: been framing it as criminal, and it is absolutely true.

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Speaker 1: It's like the Me Too movement. You know, people who

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Speaker 1: aggressed against women, you know, two decades ago, got a

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Speaker 1: slap on the wrist. Well, now we see it for

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Speaker 1: what it is, this predatory behavior. We have reframed our

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Speaker 1: thinking and it's the same with domestic terrorism. This term

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Speaker 1: has been thrown around again and again. What is a

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Speaker 1: domestic terrorist. It's not just somebody who is standing on

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Speaker 1: the White House lawn and got caught up in the

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Speaker 1: crowd and then oops, I just you know, put my

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Speaker 1: foot through the front door just to see what was

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Speaker 1: going on inside. Know, these these are people who had

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Speaker 1: intent and nancy. This is not a low socio economic group,

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Speaker 1: as some of the reporters have been saying. These are

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Speaker 1: the people who had the wherewithal to get on a bus,

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Speaker 1: get on a plane. They have computers, they have arms,

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Speaker 1: they have they have means to congregate. Our immigrants are disenfranchised.

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Speaker 1: People were not in that crowd. Lower socio economic people

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Speaker 1: were not in that crowd. These were people of privilege

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Speaker 1: with homicidal intent. I want to follow up on what

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Speaker 1: you say with Colin Clark, the need for pseudo intellectuals

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Speaker 1: to classify them, to categorize them as unintelligent, uneducated, low income.

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Speaker 1: I guess crowd somehow it minimizes, it minimizes the danger

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Speaker 1: because you've got people with college degrees with five figure

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Speaker 1: maybe six figure incomes that are attacking our country. And

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Speaker 1: the problem calling we can't pick him out of a crowd.

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Speaker 1: In the past, you may have thought, well, they're a nut.

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Speaker 1: They're a right wing nut, you know, they're they're a

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Speaker 1: militia person in quoties. It's turned dangerous now, Colin, what

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Speaker 1: can we do? Colin Well, I mean it makes sense

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Speaker 1: for people to look for a typology, right, because it

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Speaker 1: gives them comfort. You know, we've long struggled with this

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Speaker 1: issue in the United States. It's why we named you know,

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Speaker 1: after nine eleven, we called it the Global War and terrorism.

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Speaker 1: We want to simplify things. It never made sense because

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Speaker 1: what is war against a technic? Right? In World War Two,

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Speaker 1: we didn't declare wargans blitz creed. So we try to

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Speaker 1: simplify things. We try to make sense of them as humans.

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Speaker 1: As social scientists, we try how to do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: But what we fail to understand is that there's no

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Speaker 1: silver bullet. There's no one size fits all for the

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Speaker 1: radicalization process. And that's what we've seen happen in this country.

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Speaker 1: We've seen individuals radicalize, and that happens for all different reasons. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, people want to mock the fact that, oh

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Speaker 1: that that doesn't look like economic anxieties. I mean, she

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Speaker 1: took a personal jet there, right, that lady's not suffering

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Speaker 1: from economic anxiety. But I also think it's uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we can't just dismiss this as the emotions got the

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Speaker 1: better of them. You know, my emotions get the better

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Speaker 1: of me. I don't storm. You know, the US capital,

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Speaker 1: they committed an active insurrection, So you know the fact

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Speaker 1: that they were there in the first place and willing

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Speaker 1: to break the law, you know, they should be punished.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's one thing that we need to

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Speaker 1: see in this country is accountability. We often see it

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Speaker 1: at the lower levels. We rarely see it at the top.

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Speaker 1: That's not only in the government. It's on Wall Street,

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Speaker 1: it's in Hollywood, it's it's elsewhere. So without accountability, we

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Speaker 1: won't be able to stem the flow of what comes. Yeah, dude,

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Speaker 1: that's what predisposition comes in. You know, I mentioned both

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Speaker 1: provocation and predisposition. These people showed up at a rally

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Speaker 1: in riot gear. That's what you and I and other

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Speaker 1: prosecutors would call intent. They didn't intend to go someplace

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Speaker 1: in peacefully protest. They intended not just to be vocal,

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Speaker 1: but to be violent. That would be the argument that

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Speaker 1: is being used to prosecute some of these people. Now yes,

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Speaker 1: clearly intent. And on that same note, Wendy Patrick, California

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Speaker 1: prosecutor at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. Wendy, I have

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Speaker 1: said repeatedly that the people that stormed the capital should

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Speaker 1: be charged with felony the cause of that officer, Sicknick

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Speaker 1: is dead. Yeah, that's exactly right. That's felony murder. They're

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Speaker 1: in the commission of a felony. He's killed. That's the

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Speaker 1: textbook definition of felony murder. And that seems to be

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Speaker 1: what prosecutors are agreeing they're going to do, because that's

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Speaker 1: exactly right. A crime, a murder committed in the commission

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Speaker 1: of certain enumerated felonies makes it felony murder. And that's

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Speaker 1: a significant because you don't have to have intended for

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Speaker 1: the person to die to be guilty under that theory, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: and that's exactly what prosecutors are looking at in connection

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Speaker 1: with the death of the Capitol policeman. You're so right. Tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: everyone the country on edge as we approach the presidential inauguration.

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Speaker 1: Regardless of which side of the fence you stand on,

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Speaker 1: we all agree on one thing. God bless America. Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: crime story signing off goodbye friend,