Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on These are our stories, done.
Speaker 4: Done, Yay.
Speaker 2: Another episode of That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm thrilled to be here.
Speaker 1: It's Lisa and I'm Kara, your other hosts, and you
Speaker 1: know what we do on this podcast. It's sview episodes
Speaker 1: true crime. Usually a guest, but we're still supporting our
Speaker 1: SAG after strike and not having guests on the podcast,
Speaker 1: but hopefully in twenty twenty four we're back at you
Speaker 1: with some guests. In the meantime, absolutely all we get started.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, it's yeah, I want to talk to the people.
Speaker 2: I miss it, I miss stuck it, I miss it.
Speaker 2: But I am enjoying this. So Thanksgiving is coming and
Speaker 2: on sunset there's a bowl a billboard for a horror
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving movie. Yes, another intro in a row. We are
Speaker 2: mentioning Halloween and horror not on purpose. Even this is
Speaker 2: see what isn't?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 2: So the billboard is like a giant turkey and then
Speaker 2: in it is a giant bloody knife and the handle
Speaker 2: is like sticking out.
Speaker 3: So that's exciting.
Speaker 2: And I'm on the IMDb of it right now, and
Speaker 2: it says after a Black Friday riot ends in tragedy,
Speaker 2: a mysterious Thanksgiving inspired killer terrorizes Plymouth, Massachusetts, the birthplace
Speaker 2: of the infamous holiday.
Speaker 1: What's the movie called Thanksgiving? I was just called Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3: Yes? And what other I mean?
Speaker 2: There's that movie with what the fuck is her name?
Speaker 2: Mary to Cruise Dawson's Creek, Katie Holmes, Katie Holmes. Katie
Speaker 2: Holmes is in like Pieces of April. That's a Thanksgiving meal,
Speaker 2: But like what other Thanksgiving movies are there? But the
Speaker 2: main character, okay, is Rick Hoffman from Suits, the guy
Speaker 2: that everyone loves, So that's exciting to see him in
Speaker 2: a starring vehicle. But Gina Gershawn, Patrick Dempsey. So I'm honest, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm looking, And I got Tim Dylan's in it.
Speaker 3: Tim Dillon's in it? Yes, Oh my my god? Why
Speaker 3: so wild? Wait?
Speaker 1: The ultimate Thanksgiving movie is Adam's Family Values where they
Speaker 1: do a Thanksgiving play remember.
Speaker 3: No, I oh, you're right, yes I do.
Speaker 2: Remember.
Speaker 3: I have a little summer camp that they go to
Speaker 3: that's and yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna with you, that's not a Thanksgiving movie. There's a
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving scene scene.
Speaker 1: Okay, that is different when I you're right though, because
Speaker 1: when I look it up, like it's literally like a
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown Thanksgiving. I mean, there's really just not the
Speaker 1: Giving movies, which is wild because it is like there's
Speaker 1: a movie called Friendsgiving from twenty twenty on tub that
Speaker 1: has Wanda Sykes and it looks like Malan Ackerman, Kat Dennings,
Speaker 1: Jane Seymour, Aysha Tyler, Christine Taylor.
Speaker 3: Here you check that out.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see. Oh there will be no leftovers.
Speaker 2: That's the little tagline.
Speaker 3: Here will be no leftovers.
Speaker 2: Because you're dead, bitch. They're not even paying us for this.
Speaker 2: But I'm excited. Oh yeah, So I'm looking at a
Speaker 2: photo of Patrick Dempsey like shooting off a gun at
Speaker 2: a Black Friday sale. Yeah, at rightmar at right, Maar, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch it. I'm seeing it. I honestly a
Speaker 2: genre creating movie. Like I don't know why Thanksgiving doesn't
Speaker 2: have more movies. I guess Christmas is more universal and
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving is just for one country and it's based on
Speaker 2: you know, lies and slaughter. Yeah, you're running a fun sweater.
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, stripey. Yeah, whereas I've never seen that before.
Speaker 3: Oh you haven't.
Speaker 1: I think I've warned around you. I got it off
Speaker 1: my mom group. You know where I do most of
Speaker 1: my shopping.
Speaker 2: I ordered so much stuff on Asos, and I always
Speaker 2: hate this when I return more than I keep. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's fun getting money back. Like that's exciting
Speaker 2: because then it feels like you're winning something.
Speaker 1: But it is a refund hits. Yeah, yeah, is that
Speaker 1: a real sock? No, I made it up.
Speaker 2: I like it when the refund hits. I just keep
Speaker 2: looking at this Thanksgiving trailer over and over. They got me.
Speaker 2: Dude's billboards get me. That's how I went to go
Speaker 2: see Incubus. I saw a billboard.
Speaker 1: You know what I never understand because they do this
Speaker 1: in LA all the time.
Speaker 3: They put up billboards and it says sold out.
Speaker 1: Oh is that to get you to go to like
Speaker 1: resale sites like I remember the first time I ever
Speaker 1: saw that. It was on sunset. There was an out
Speaker 1: like dou A Lipa. I was doing two nights somewhere.
Speaker 1: This was right when Dua Lipa was like hitting in
Speaker 1: twenty like seventeen, and it was like dua lipa, two
Speaker 1: shows sold out.
Speaker 3: I was like, what's the point of this billboard? Take
Speaker 3: it down? Put up another artist?
Speaker 2: Well, it's still pr and buzz and I because I
Speaker 2: wonder if like the people who own the Foura own
Speaker 2: the billboard you know where.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, it is pr and buzz. Though it
Speaker 1: looks good to be sold out, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing I thought of was like that
Speaker 2: new casino that's advertising so much in La Ya Mohama
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jamava.
Speaker 1: Jared is always joking, what are you taking me to Yamava?
Speaker 2: So for me, when it's like when their shows are
Speaker 2: sold out, it's like, oh, well, who else is playing
Speaker 2: at Yaha Mava?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I haven't been to the formant? Who else
Speaker 2: is at the Fora? Or maybe like that too. But
Speaker 2: the billboards do work on me. Now I have just
Speaker 2: two examples, but I'm sucked in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I basically want to go to Yamava and start gambling.
Speaker 2: At these I don't want to even know. I'm actually embarrassed.
Speaker 2: I've lost too much money. A few months ago in
Speaker 2: Vegas I really did. I did you still have one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars trip to Paris that you forgot to cash?
Speaker 2: So never forget that. Put that in the plus column. No,
Speaker 2: I'm I went too hard. I went too hard, I
Speaker 2: would say.
Speaker 3: But I love gambling. Say love whatever sheike? Say love?
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Money? Gampa? We are well should we?
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been some Bravo gossip going around, but
Speaker 1: I know that we're in the time machine. This is
Speaker 1: going to be so old by the time we get
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 3: But do we.
Speaker 1: Think that this is the end for Ramona Singer? Do
Speaker 1: we think Ramona is gone now?
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I don't think she should have even
Speaker 3: been on.
Speaker 2: Legacy like she I thought that was crazy. She is
Speaker 2: the reason the reboot happened. She is, But is it
Speaker 2: a testament to the like how she is a star
Speaker 2: because I don't know. But I guess a lot of
Speaker 2: them need to be put on pause. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just she should have been done. She's a bad person.
Speaker 2: We've celebrated her enough, We've had fun times.
Speaker 3: It's done. She will never grow, she will never learn.
Speaker 1: But they're giving the lifetime achievement a word to an
Speaker 1: anti vaxer named Vicky Gumbelson. So I don't know what
Speaker 1: their deal is with who they take off and who
Speaker 1: they don't.
Speaker 2: They don't want to take anyone off. It's only public.
Speaker 2: They knew about this, they knew this happened. Bravo does
Speaker 2: not care. Bravo only does you know if they're pushed
Speaker 2: against the wall. They straight up had an assault on
Speaker 2: below Deck down Under this year and didn't have a
Speaker 2: reunion because they didn't want to talk about it. Bravo
Speaker 2: did not mention it once, like they don't want to.
Speaker 2: They don't want to, they're not interested.
Speaker 3: So nuts.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've been like a long time sort of
Speaker 1: like Ramona hater. I just like don't find her that
Speaker 1: funny or good. I know she stirs up good drama
Speaker 1: or whatever on their show, but she sucks so bad
Speaker 1: to me, and she just seems like a moron. And
Speaker 1: I know a lot of them, I don't know some
Speaker 1: of the other ones are more on. The morons really
Speaker 1: bother me Teresa Ramona, Like, I think they're dumb and
Speaker 1: I don't like to watch them.
Speaker 3: But if you don't know what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Basically, Ramona used a racial slur in a text to
Speaker 1: a producer saying that I never said the racial slour
Speaker 1: and then wrote the racial slur. But she has already
Speaker 1: said it like anti Semitic stuff. She's already said racist
Speaker 1: stuff on the show. And so this was I guess
Speaker 1: the nail on the coffin for her.
Speaker 2: But she's just a bad person because everyone can like
Speaker 2: like she just there's never accountability with her, there's never understanding.
Speaker 2: She's always I mean, what she did in the Berkshire
Speaker 2: is even lying about having visions of her past abuse
Speaker 2: to get on a private jet to party with Molly
Speaker 2: Simms and the Hamptons like she knows no low. She
Speaker 2: pulled up to Heather's house that trip and went is
Speaker 2: this the house or the garage?
Speaker 3: Like she's a that's not even the.
Speaker 2: Hurtful show, Like that's just it's you know, the way
Speaker 2: you do one thing is the way you do everything.
Speaker 3: As Mama Trigger has taught us all.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's they're also really arbitrary with their
Speaker 2: decisions with Bravo.
Speaker 3: It's always what they.
Speaker 2: Can get away if they don't have to kick someone off.
Speaker 2: They don't want to, you know what I mean, Wait,
Speaker 2: did you watch the Newest celt Lake aka four weeks ago.
Speaker 2: You guys know Monica's mom is a problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of memes and I was like,
Speaker 1: uh oh, it's sitting on my DVR. Though, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: watch it, like as soon as we're done. Right now,
Speaker 1: it's bad.
Speaker 2: Text me right after, like the it is the mom
Speaker 2: is bad. Anyone that took the mom's side at that
Speaker 2: Easter thing, you you better be walking the back now.
Speaker 3: She is bad? Should I da Monica about it? She
Speaker 3: follows me.
Speaker 1: We follow each other, yes, yes, why and hey, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry your mom sucks? Yo.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I gotta I gotta watch it. I could.
Speaker 1: I didn't like her from the last episode where she
Speaker 1: was like trying to get screen time and like apologizing
Speaker 1: for her daughter and stuff.
Speaker 3: I hated that, but like, well, well it's classic narcissist stuff.
Speaker 2: If I've learned anything from TikTok, where it's like you
Speaker 2: want we know someone like this, but where you want
Speaker 2: like strangers to like you over the people in your life,
Speaker 2: like you're very like oh I'm so oh, I am
Speaker 2: like polite to everyone, but the real people that know
Speaker 2: you know, the real you because you don't care, like
Speaker 2: they care so much about the perception.
Speaker 3: That strangers have of them.
Speaker 2: And that was like such a clear thing watching Monica
Speaker 2: do that, or Monica's mom I apologize.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Monica's mom.
Speaker 1: Oh, I okay, I just clicked on a tab on
Speaker 1: my computer that I realize I have up as a
Speaker 1: to read thing, which is the big quote unquote Bravo
Speaker 1: reckoning any of this I did.
Speaker 2: And it was so boring I stopped. I go, I
Speaker 2: don't care. I don't care. I want them to. Like
Speaker 2: Danny Pellogrino was just on Watch What Happens Live and
Speaker 2: he kept saying it like Andy would ask him for
Speaker 2: opinions and he'd be like, I mean, it's horrible, but
Speaker 2: I love it on my TV and I'm grateful to
Speaker 2: have it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like it is, it's fucked entertainment.
Speaker 2: All I'm watching is sex crimes and women fighting, like
Speaker 2: that is my full existence.
Speaker 1: But this article starts out with a housewife waking up
Speaker 1: in her own pee from peeing the bed.
Speaker 3: Who are they talking about?
Speaker 1: It's in New York because they said the same thing
Speaker 1: happened to them in Courtahana the year before. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: there's still this is a Mexico trip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they.
Speaker 2: Won't reveal because they want to keep working. The line
Speaker 2: was like, I still want to keep my dream nightmare
Speaker 2: of a job.
Speaker 3: Dream nightmare.
Speaker 1: And Leah, Leah McSweeney is suing Bravo. I just read yesterday.
Speaker 3: I hate her.
Speaker 2: She's in my top top least favorite housewife. She's a liar,
Speaker 2: Like there is no way the producers ever forced her
Speaker 2: to stay, and she even admitted that the producer said
Speaker 2: you can leave, but his tone made it seem like
Speaker 2: she couldn't. And it's like, no, you could have basically
Speaker 2: what she claimed on the trip. The girl's trip to
Speaker 2: Thailand was during a Hampton's trip on her season of
Speaker 2: Real Houses of New York. Her grandmother was ill and
Speaker 2: dying and that the producers made her film and wouldn't
Speaker 2: let her go home, and then her grandma died, and
Speaker 2: it's like, there's no fucking way.
Speaker 3: We've watched death on this show.
Speaker 2: We know these women, and like we know the show
Speaker 2: inside and out, there's no fucking way. The producers might
Speaker 2: try to stir up trouble, but they can't, like they're
Speaker 2: gonna let you go home, They'll let you take care
Speaker 2: of your family. They shut things down, like even Southern
Speaker 2: charge like they are respectful of their personal lives.
Speaker 3: And maybe I'm full like she admitted to lying. It's
Speaker 3: like I don't know.
Speaker 2: She's also she's getting disability, like she's trying to get disability,
Speaker 2: like that's what it is, because she had, like you know,
Speaker 2: in Thailand, she was sick, and Bravo was straight up said,
Speaker 2: we make every accommodation for our housewife, and she is
Speaker 2: the most accommodating one that we have to deal with. Wow,
Speaker 2: it's just fucks for me to side with a giant
Speaker 2: company that I know, I'm sure does shady shit and
Speaker 2: gets people wasted and keeps them hung or whatever. But like,
Speaker 2: I just can't. I really am not a Liah McSweeney
Speaker 2: fan at all. She was bad for the franchise. We
Speaker 2: don't want you on TV. We don't want you on
Speaker 2: the shows. It's not Bravo, it's not a lawsuit. We
Speaker 2: don't like you. That's why you're not on the show.
Speaker 1: The fans don't like it from the beginning because I
Speaker 1: don't understand how she has a fucking brand called married
Speaker 1: to the Mob when she has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the mafia. She's not Italian like I just think the
Speaker 1: whole her whole brand is built on nothing, a bullshit
Speaker 1: and it's its leisure.
Speaker 2: She's just a fraud. I am not interesting and not fun.
Speaker 2: And she had one little catchphrase and people loved it.
Speaker 2: Do you remember what it was? It was like I
Speaker 2: elevate this or something. People love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I elevate this shit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: People like really clung to it in a way where
Speaker 2: I was like, what clip, That's what I love?
Speaker 3: A clip forever? Baby, make it nice whip.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well, I gotta go because I have
Speaker 1: to read this fucking twelve million word article. Like I'm
Speaker 1: literally scrolling the whole time. I'm talking right now, just
Speaker 1: scrolling fast and it's still going. This is the longest
Speaker 1: article of all time. But one quick Remianity fair, baby,
Speaker 1: it's vanity fair. Nothing can be less than twelve thousand words,
Speaker 1: all right, One quick reminder. Go to Thats Messed Up
Speaker 1: live dot com to see where we are performing for
Speaker 1: the remainder of the year. We've got Sacramento on December thirteenth,
Speaker 1: New York. On December sixteenth, there's a six o'clock show
Speaker 1: and there's a nine o'clock show. The nine o'clock show
Speaker 1: was just added, so grab tickets to that.
Speaker 3: Come to both shows. We're doing different.
Speaker 1: Episodes, and then Philly on the seventeenth, and then we'll
Speaker 1: be in Seattle on the seventh of January for the Wet.
Speaker 3: City Comedy Festival. So yeah, that's messed up.
Speaker 1: Live dot com has all the ticket links for those
Speaker 1: and that's it.
Speaker 3: I want to get started. I would love that. Let's
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Today we are doing Manhattan Vigil season fourteen, episode five.
Speaker 3: The episode came out in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: The timecode of this episode it says nineteen eighty nine
Speaker 2: and Waiting by Nora Jones is playing. So we have
Speaker 2: a music montage intro. We've gotten a few of those
Speaker 2: in the SVU history. A poster is being hung up
Speaker 2: of a missing boy Hector Rodriguez and a uniform cop
Speaker 2: aka Alex Kropowski aka Ray from Girls, and the mom
Speaker 2: is Tina from The Bear Holy shit, and she has
Speaker 2: a tear in her eye and she's frantically hanging posters
Speaker 2: of her missing son. Now it's two thousand and there
Speaker 2: are stuffed animals, flowers, candles in front of a giant
Speaker 2: mural for Hector and his mom is still there suffering.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and six, the mural is still up and
Speaker 2: we see a young couple with a stroller walk by.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and nine, the mural is still up and
Speaker 2: we see a boy on a scooter with his young
Speaker 2: parents walking behind him. The couple does not like each other,
Speaker 2: and you can tell even from a music montage.
Speaker 3: Quick walk.
Speaker 2: Now it's twenty twelve, the year the episode came out,
Speaker 2: and we see this couple again. The dad is in
Speaker 2: a baseball cap with a glove and he's rushing to
Speaker 2: pick up his son and chatting on the phone constantly,
Speaker 2: just like and I'm running late. The mural of Hector
Speaker 2: is still there. So then the woman from the couple
Speaker 2: that doesn't like each other that's connected to the Yankee boy,
Speaker 2: she opens the door and starts screaming at him immediately.
Speaker 2: You see your son one day a week, and you
Speaker 2: can't be on time, which is a great point. I'm
Speaker 2: sorry if it's once a week, like you said it.
Speaker 2: And I love this actress. She's actually one of my
Speaker 2: favorite s few episodes from season two called Parasite. The
Speaker 2: boy is happy to see his dad and thinks he's
Speaker 2: gonna catch, you know, a ball. They're very excited, and
Speaker 2: so many people keep calling the dad and I wonder
Speaker 2: what his job is that it's NonStop calls on a Sunday,
Speaker 2: like to the gate, like, I'm just very curious. They
Speaker 2: rush out and the dad is still scrolling his phone
Speaker 2: while walking holding his son's hand, and the sun is
Speaker 2: such a little cutie. And this is what I realize.
Speaker 2: It's all the gear, says New York. It's not Yankees,
Speaker 2: it's not Mets. It all says New York, and all
Speaker 2: the people on the train as well.
Speaker 3: It is not a specific team.
Speaker 2: And I just love that even Dick Wolf couldn't clear
Speaker 2: the Yankees, Like yeah, oh fuck.
Speaker 3: Do you recognize the guy playing the dad? No? I
Speaker 3: looked him up.
Speaker 2: I mean he's he's working, but he didn't mean anything
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 3: No, He's like he's a theatery guy.
Speaker 1: Like I saw him in Shakespeare in the Park the
Speaker 1: one time I went to Shakespeare in the Park. He
Speaker 1: was in it with Jesse Tyler Ferguson from Modern Family.
Speaker 1: But I forgot what they were in. It was what
Speaker 1: did we see?
Speaker 2: It was like, do you get tickets for that or
Speaker 2: is it like people line up or what is it
Speaker 2: you have.
Speaker 1: To wake up so early to get like a ticket
Speaker 1: for it? Like we were in line at six am
Speaker 1: in Central Park.
Speaker 3: It was crazy.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I think it was a couple
Speaker 1: of years before I moved, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: gotta do this while I still like, can.
Speaker 2: You know, so what do you do? Like at six am?
Speaker 2: You run to the park.
Speaker 1: You go to the park and you go to like
Speaker 1: the area where they do the Shakespeare and there's like
Speaker 1: a line that people bring like lawn chairs and shit,
Speaker 1: and everybody's just sitting there waiting to like get and
Speaker 1: then you get a ticket or or a number. You
Speaker 1: get something, and then you come back and get you
Speaker 1: get in.
Speaker 3: So every day they release the tickets for the.
Speaker 1: Night of I think that's how it was when I went, wowah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool. But yeah he did like what oh my god,
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to like look up. He's done a
Speaker 1: lot of Shakespeare, this guy. And I saw like not
Speaker 1: Twelfth Night, but one of those ones where it's like
Speaker 1: a big farce with like dressing and people are like
Speaker 1: nobody knows who the other person is that's what I
Speaker 1: saw him in Hamish link later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, well you know now that you say the name.
Speaker 2: I did see his name and I was like, are
Speaker 2: you a nepo?
Speaker 3: But he's not. He's not. Okay, so their walk he's
Speaker 3: he's married to Lily Robb, who's that. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: She's you know her if you saw she's in all
Speaker 1: the American horror stories or she was. She kind of
Speaker 1: has like a Stevie She was like the Stevie nicks
Speaker 1: Witch vibe in the coven one. Yeah, I think she's
Speaker 1: been in an SVU. Also, all right, we did go
Speaker 1: down on IMDb like fever Dream.
Speaker 2: We got to know how to do Shakespeare in the
Speaker 2: Park very you know, with every detail. And we are back. Okay,
Speaker 2: we are back. The New York sports ball team is
Speaker 2: about to play. Yeah, but if you are one of
Speaker 2: the listeners who don't like asides, good luck, okorry about that.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 2: So the little cute they're walking with all these fans
Speaker 2: and he turns to his son and goes, you want
Speaker 2: to treat even though the mom did say please limit
Speaker 2: his junk food. He's been getting a lot of stomach aches.
Speaker 2: But you know he decides to go get a little treat.
Speaker 2: So now they're on the one hundred and tenth Street
Speaker 2: B train stop and there's a pickpocket type person doing
Speaker 2: a little trick on the dad and so he drops
Speaker 2: the money, spins him around, and as the dad bends
Speaker 2: down to pick up the cash, the man grabs the
Speaker 2: sun wyat and pushes him onto the train and the
Speaker 2: doors close.
Speaker 3: Holy shit, the dad nightmare.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I literally have been babysitting kids where I've taken them
Speaker 1: on the subway and I'm like, what would happen if
Speaker 1: the door's closed, Like, you know, it's so scary.
Speaker 2: Have you seen there's a video on the internet that's
Speaker 2: circulated where like a mom something was happening and she
Speaker 2: accidentally left the stroller on the train, but then the
Speaker 2: camera's on the next train stop. It's kind of like
Speaker 2: a drunk guy, but he took the stroller out and
Speaker 2: was just like hanging out with the kid till the
Speaker 2: mom came. And then the mom came and like hugged
Speaker 2: him and it was and it was all caught on
Speaker 2: the security cameras.
Speaker 1: So I want to see that video to cleanse my
Speaker 1: palate from watching this scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I help you. I mean I once helped like
Speaker 2: a passed out guy on the train. It's everything is dangerous.
Speaker 2: Don't trust anybody, but also be a helpful citizen. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So the dad's obviously flipping out.
Speaker 3: He's screaming, there's nothing he can do.
Speaker 2: He starts running, trying to push at the door, and
Speaker 2: then he opens the door that says sound for emergencies,
Speaker 2: which we know is a blatant lie, like everyone uses
Speaker 2: those doors all the time. Nothing will ring at all,
Speaker 2: but the alarm is blaring. He runs up the stairs.
Speaker 2: He's on the phone with nine one one. He's screaming, help, help,
Speaker 2: my son has been taken. Benson and Tomorrow are meeting
Speaker 2: Kragan on the scene and there are a lot of
Speaker 2: like white shirts going on.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 2: Benson asked, Cragan's like seven year old Wyatt Morris snatched
Speaker 2: from father the transit like everyone, all the trains are stopped.
Speaker 2: Everyone's en route to the game, and it's like, well
Speaker 2: who is this kid? And the father is David Morris
Speaker 2: of the Morris brother's real estate family, and Benson goes,
Speaker 2: holy shit, they on the whole West side and he
Speaker 2: ransom demands not yet Benson looks around and it's like, whoa,
Speaker 2: this neighborhood has changed, and then she stops and stares
Speaker 2: and it's a flashback to young Benson and she's looking
Speaker 2: up at Hector's mom and holding in the flyer in
Speaker 2: her hand, and Craigan calls her out of her little trance.
Speaker 3: She says, it's the same neighborhood.
Speaker 2: A missing boy in nineteen eighty nine, Hector Ramirez, a
Speaker 2: Dominica kid, and Craigan goes, oh, yeah, yeah, the custody case.
Speaker 3: The dad took him back to the dr.
Speaker 2: Benson turns around and goes, we don't know that the
Speaker 2: mother never saw her son again, and she gets a
Speaker 2: little emotional, and Amaro says, well, this kid's missing now,
Speaker 2: but what if they're connected? But they are blowing her
Speaker 2: off and we are on the credits and it just
Speaker 2: hit me how long we talked about actors. Okay, we're
Speaker 2: back on the streets and rollins and Finn joined the team.
Speaker 2: The trains are stopped and there's no sign of the boy.
Speaker 2: Finn goes, oh, if people don't make this game, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a riot, and Craigan goes, I don't give
Speaker 2: a shit. There's a kid on the train. Okay, well
Speaker 2: they're hoping. I mean, best case scenario, the kid's still
Speaker 2: on the train. They search every car, talk to every passenger.
Speaker 2: Omorro says, the dad wants to go uptown and help
Speaker 2: the search, and Craigan's like, absolutely not. And then he
Speaker 2: looks at Tomorrow and Benson and goes and whatever's happening.
Speaker 2: But between the two of you get over it. Do
Speaker 2: you remember how to say?
Speaker 3: They were like, hold on, let me let me find it.
Speaker 2: Hold on one second, because I kept trying to search
Speaker 2: and I couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 3: And this is really close to after.
Speaker 2: You know, the huge the Dhalia case, you know with
Speaker 2: the Cragan being framed and then the second workers.
Speaker 3: So but I didn't know what was happening.
Speaker 1: I mean the episode right before this is called acceptable Loss.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like Benson kind of like gets creative
Speaker 1: with an investigation. I do remember there being a time
Speaker 1: where Benson and Amorrow like fought and were like mad
Speaker 1: at each other. And I think it was during all
Speaker 1: the Carrisa stuff. Yeah, the curry, Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: what it is. It's like she thought he thought she
Speaker 1: wasn't like backing him, and she's like, Tomorrow, you like
Speaker 1: met with this girl, like no one saw you. Now
Speaker 1: she's saying you tried to hook up with her. You know,
Speaker 1: I think he's pissed at her for like not backing him.
Speaker 2: But before anything else, we hear a guttural scream, David, David,
Speaker 2: where's Wyatt? The mom is running up at the dad.
Speaker 2: The detectives split them up. She's screaming, what did you do?
Speaker 2: What happened? The dad is so defensive with Amorrow. It
Speaker 2: could have easily happened to her, too good one. It didn't,
Speaker 2: And I could tell you're a rich kid because you
Speaker 2: can't take fucking responsibility for anything, always blaming someone else.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow is like, describe the dude, white black age. He says,
Speaker 2: white forties, cap glasses. I'm bad with faces. Benson is
Speaker 2: with the mom and she's like, he sees his son
Speaker 2: on Sundays. He was supposed to be there at nine,
Speaker 2: he was two hours late. Benson is like, so he
Speaker 2: only sees his son once a week? Does that make
Speaker 2: him upset? And she goes, oh, he's always upset. Everything
Speaker 2: to him is a negotiation. Benson's like, Okay, your ex
Speaker 2: is very wealthy. Have you noticed anyone suspicious, anyone trying
Speaker 2: to talk to you or why? She goes, no, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, what if this is If this is a ransom,
Speaker 2: we'll pay, We'll pay. And then it hits the mom
Speaker 2: what is actually happening? She starts gasping. She collapses. She
Speaker 2: clings onto Olivia and cries into her shoulders. My note
Speaker 2: says soldiers.
Speaker 3: But I did say shoulders.
Speaker 2: Munch is in a suit that for sure looks like
Speaker 2: he's going to a bot mitzvah. It is wild. Like
Speaker 2: I know, women have a lot of unfair things. You know,
Speaker 2: you gotta shave your legs, you can't have a unibra whatever.
Speaker 2: But wearing a suit seems like it sucks. I would
Speaker 2: hate it. In the summer, you have to wear a tie,
Speaker 2: a shirt and a jacket a layer. I just like
Speaker 2: seeks to me or disgusting. Okay, so you know we're
Speaker 2: doing flyers, flyers, flyers. TARU can't track the kid's phone.
Speaker 2: Rollins comes in. Every witness saw a different type of
Speaker 2: someone's like, oh, black man, white woman. So we can't
Speaker 2: trust anyone. But it is all hands on deck. There's
Speaker 2: no video from the station and then there's a comment like, well,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, we don't give people up their nice things
Speaker 2: and that it's like, oh no, the neighborhood's actually really changed.
Speaker 3: It's it's not.
Speaker 2: A war zone anymore, and it was when Hexter was missing,
Speaker 2: and Rollins actually looks shocked that they would even live
Speaker 2: up there.
Speaker 3: But also, Morningside is such a nice neighborhood.
Speaker 2: But I obviously moved to New York during this time,
Speaker 2: not before. But it's by Columbia and stuff. It is
Speaker 2: really yeah, beautiful. But also they explain that they live
Speaker 2: there because his family owns the building and he doesn't
Speaker 2: actually live there. His ex wife is living there and
Speaker 2: they own half the block. They're in court every three
Speaker 2: months with custody stuff. So we get a wild Benson
Speaker 2: theory that maybe David got tired of paying for two
Speaker 2: sets of legal fees and kidnaps his own son.
Speaker 3: Amaro says, you know she does.
Speaker 2: You know, the mom's trying to make him look bad,
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, oh yeah, she talks shit on him
Speaker 2: the moment, like she got there, you know, why are
Speaker 2: you two hours late? But also two hours is a lot,
Speaker 2: And then they say at eleven and then rollins, it clicks,
Speaker 2: goes eleven.
Speaker 3: The train didn't leave until twelve fifteen.
Speaker 2: Craigan asks tomorrow if the dad says they stopped anymore,
Speaker 2: Amorro says no, even though he asked him about it.
Speaker 2: So now daddy boy is here at the precinct and
Speaker 2: he didn't say anything because he didn't think it mattered
Speaker 2: that they went to a pastry shop. And he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you didn't want your wife to know he was having sweets.
Speaker 2: And he's like, listen, I just wanted my son to
Speaker 2: have a special day. The divorce has been really hard
Speaker 2: on him. And Benson goes, can anyone confirm it? He goes, yes,
Speaker 2: the hostess. I've been seeing her. Ah, your son is
Speaker 2: missing and you're worried if your ex wife finds out
Speaker 2: you're fucking a hostess. It's like truly despicable behavior, like
Speaker 2: the narcissism popping through. You can't even like stop to
Speaker 2: care about your son over your own needs. It's really
Speaker 2: really sickening to me. She also used to babysit for Wyatt,
Speaker 2: so he's been fucking the babysitter. So we get the
Speaker 2: full picture of what's going on here and now we're
Speaker 2: headed to my dear lady Anne Bakery. There's a hop
Speaker 2: blonde who's denying seeing him, and Rollins is like, honey,
Speaker 2: we know you're involved, and David's like, stop this. She
Speaker 2: asked the Floory knows, and Finn Is like, that's on
Speaker 2: you or we don't care. Now, can we be serious?
Speaker 2: There's a missing boy and also they're divorced. You can
Speaker 2: fuck anyone, like, it's fine. They were eating muffins and
Speaker 2: had skim milk and they're like any guy with baseball hats.
Speaker 2: She goes, yeah, all of them, dud. It's the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Finn Is like, okay, but are there were there any losers?
Speaker 2: A singleton, a lone man? Was there not a psycho?
Speaker 2: And she's like, actually, I do remember a singleton And
Speaker 2: so he ordered a tea and a glass, got up
Speaker 2: when they did and left two dollars. So we have
Speaker 2: some footage from a nearby boutique. It's not really enough
Speaker 2: for even their fake technology, so.
Speaker 3: That's pretty wild. Can't enhance it even.
Speaker 2: But it's a maroon hat and sunglasses and it kind
Speaker 2: of looks like Sandoval if you ask me. But we're
Speaker 2: in the thinking room and Kragan's doing what he does best,
Speaker 2: questions and assignments anything from traffic cams are ATMs, still checking.
Speaker 2: Munch is like, fuck this three hours, no ransom, this
Speaker 2: is a predator.
Speaker 3: Are you getting deja vu?
Speaker 2: He asks live and Finn goes, not this again, and
Speaker 2: Benson's annoyed. It's like, it's the same neighborhood. Hector's on
Speaker 2: a bus. Why it's on a subway. Craigan's like, it's
Speaker 2: two different worlds, different families, and Munch is like, exactly,
Speaker 2: we had about one tenth of the resources for Hector.
Speaker 2: Amara leans in and goes, wait a bus. Benson goes yeah,
Speaker 2: and then a witness saw him with his hair blonde.
Speaker 2: Craigan gets serious. Yeah, so the dad can seek him
Speaker 2: out of the country. Case closed, and his bald head
Speaker 2: looks extra smooth in this episode, it is really wild,
Speaker 2: like really like squishy and smooth. So Benson and Tomorrow
Speaker 2: go talk to divorced parents. The dad doesn't recognize the dude.
Speaker 2: The mom is pissed. She took him to the bakery
Speaker 2: he had breakfast. Why would you do that? You know?
Speaker 2: And they go okay, so someone knows your routine. Who
Speaker 2: was following you what's going on. She says, no, she
Speaker 2: hasn't noticed, and the only time she's not with him
Speaker 2: is during school and Sundays. And the dad's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything, and the mom starts to y out,
Speaker 2: of course, you didn't see anything. You're a fucking clueless
Speaker 2: Everyone hates you here, everyone on the block with all
Speaker 2: this construction and condos. He's like, no, they don't Amaro prize.
Speaker 2: And he's like, what do you mean. She goes When
Speaker 2: he goes to those community board meetings, the whole room
Speaker 2: wants to kill him. He's like, oh, come on, it's
Speaker 2: morning side Heights. These people need to get out of
Speaker 2: the sixties. Omar I was like, David, look again, have
Speaker 2: you ever seen this guy at one of those meetings?
Speaker 2: He goes, No, I don't see anyone at those meetings.
Speaker 2: I tuned them out. So Benson asks, you tune out
Speaker 2: a room full of people who accuse you of pricing
Speaker 2: them out of their own homes. He says, if he
Speaker 2: lets them control the agenda, nothing gets built, okay, and
Speaker 2: it would still be a slum if it wasn't for
Speaker 2: me and my rich daddy. Amorrow gets a call, he
Speaker 2: turns and asks for live. The mom is panicked, what what,
Speaker 2: and we cut to a bodega or owner pissed because
Speaker 2: he's losing business. Munch and Rollins are like, dude, a
Speaker 2: couple said they saw the boy here, So did you
Speaker 2: see him?
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, yeah, lots of kids come here. I
Speaker 3: can't place him.
Speaker 2: And he's still like so sorry about the like Matt
Speaker 2: about the business, and Finn walks in and is like,
Speaker 2: well you better think harder because we just found the
Speaker 2: boy's self on outside in your dumpster. So now Munch
Speaker 2: is a little angrier, want to try again, And then
Speaker 2: he goes, oh, yeah, I remember him.
Speaker 3: And this is the thing is, it's so hard to
Speaker 3: just help people find a kid.
Speaker 2: Well, so I you know, I thought about it a
Speaker 2: little bit. So one, it's like, one, just help, they'll
Speaker 2: open your store faster. Yeah, But two, you know, he
Speaker 2: seems like an immigrant and a lot of cultures don't
Speaker 2: really trust the cops, right, get that, and they don't
Speaker 2: want to get involved, and they don't want to get
Speaker 2: killed by a mob or something like you know, you
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on. So in that sense, I understand,
Speaker 2: but it is a kid like yeah, no, so he
Speaker 2: starts spilling though he has all this right on the
Speaker 2: tip of his tongue. The man had classes and a
Speaker 2: cap and black hair. They show him the pick. He goes,
Speaker 2: I can't tell, but I remember the son because he
Speaker 2: acted up. So he got bought a candy and some
Speaker 2: hair dye blonde Cragan cough cough. Now he's really gonna
Speaker 2: be mad because they're like, call in, backup, we need
Speaker 2: you at the station.
Speaker 3: So he's pissed.
Speaker 2: So he needs to call in you know, someone that's
Speaker 2: gonna work the desk, the snacks and he's gonna go
Speaker 2: talk to a sketch artist. Rollin's and Munch are like,
Speaker 2: uh oh, copy cap blonde haired eye was never released
Speaker 2: to the press. Finn Is like, don't make me say
Speaker 2: I told you so. And now we're back at the
Speaker 2: office and Munch is looking through a box labeled Hector
Speaker 2: Rodriguez flashed back to season one Monch and he's really
Speaker 2: like feeling this case, and Craigan's like, you're still here,
Speaker 2: and he snacks back to reality and is like, I
Speaker 2: never left, and again, all hands on deck.
Speaker 3: This is a huge case. This is a rich white boy.
Speaker 2: And this is not in line with the ethics of
Speaker 2: our podcast, but a whole. Benson's rack looks insane in
Speaker 2: this white shirt, Craigan is still not ready to start
Speaker 2: chasing ghosts quite yet and is like, dude, come on,
Speaker 2: the blonde eye isn't enough for you, Like, get out
Speaker 2: the Ouiji board and let's get the ghosts going. Security
Speaker 2: footage of old tunnels underneath Columbia University got a hit.
Speaker 2: There's a sighting of them and the boy is blonde
Speaker 2: and the man is dragging him. So the Columbia tunnels
Speaker 2: are the last sighting. No leads from the tip line
Speaker 2: or other burrows or the FBI what is going on?
Speaker 3: And Munch is like, we're going back in time. Bitch,
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 2: And he starts pushpinning into a corkboard and then it
Speaker 2: goes back to season one. Benson pushpinning into the corkboard
Speaker 2: and I said, how did they do this? And I
Speaker 2: found out I saw you did. Yeah, okay, So I
Speaker 2: looked it up and it's an IMDb trivia, so we
Speaker 2: hope it's credible.
Speaker 3: You know, we find mistakes in there all the time.
Speaker 2: The director, who did we say where You're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, your granddaughter's amazing, and she was like, I'm
Speaker 2: not reallyd to that woman. It was Amanda Plumber.
Speaker 1: No, it was when we were talking to Michael Learned.
Speaker 1: We were like, we heard that your goddaughters, Amanda Plummer.
Speaker 1: She's like, why does everybody keep saying that? It's not true?
Speaker 1: So that was funny.
Speaker 2: So the director of the episode, Jean Dee Susan's it
Speaker 2: seems French. I'm not saying it Signawzac gets away cigon Zac.
Speaker 2: But I feel like there's gotta be a missing continent. Constant,
Speaker 2: there's a missing continent. It stuck in his last name.
Speaker 2: Where have all the polar Bears gone? Okay, we talked
Speaker 2: about polar bears, didn't we? Or was I with another friend?
Speaker 2: Like me, if it's brown, laid down, if it's black,
Speaker 2: fight back, if it's white, you're like, you're.
Speaker 3: Dead on site?
Speaker 2: Really yeah, because I think you can like try to
Speaker 2: get away from the other bears. But if a polar
Speaker 2: bear knows you're there, like they will hunt and stalk.
Speaker 3: You till you are dead.
Speaker 2: Oh no, And if you already see one, that means
Speaker 2: they've known you've been there forever for a while. And
Speaker 2: I didn't know that because they are the prettiest.
Speaker 1: But I always think of the ones at the at
Speaker 1: the Central Park Zoo that look depressed. They're always just
Speaker 1: like lying there because they can't tear any people apart
Speaker 1: and people are just super surrounding them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't know that. But yeah, I like
Speaker 2: Bear TikTok has entered the chat okay talk and what
Speaker 2: about cocaine? Bear definitely run oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or work through or give it some coke? Okay.
Speaker 3: So Jean D.
Speaker 2: Sag and Zach I'll just say it as Midwest as possible.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to use makeup and clothing and instead
Speaker 2: used an experimental technique. But I wonder if it's still
Speaker 2: experimental or if they use it or whatever. But it
Speaker 2: merges the episode scenes with footage from the show's first
Speaker 2: season to make it seem like it's a flashback that
Speaker 2: never occurred. But isn't that just special effects and mixing
Speaker 2: the scenes.
Speaker 1: Well, I was noticing like one because I saw something
Speaker 1: in the wiki, in like the fandom wiki about how
Speaker 1: about like where some of these scenes came from, and
Speaker 1: like the one of liv like pushing a thing up
Speaker 1: onto a board. She does do that in another episode,
Speaker 1: So it's like he uses the footage of that, but
Speaker 1: you never actually see live and her face with that flyer.
Speaker 1: You just see her tack something up and then the
Speaker 1: camera goes to the flyer. So I feel like they're
Speaker 1: maybe using little tricks.
Speaker 3: Like that, definite tricks.
Speaker 2: But you know, it was experimental when this came out,
Speaker 2: and I wonder if this is like not experimental at all,
Speaker 2: or it's already outdated, or like what it even is.
Speaker 2: We're just so advanced technologically. But the scene you're talking about,
Speaker 2: it's from the episode Bad Blood, and that's the one
Speaker 2: where it's like these brother the brother is a building
Speaker 2: manager and you know he's raping his brother. And then
Speaker 2: Munch is from episode twenty one of season one called
Speaker 2: Nocturn Nocturn Ah. Yeah, so that's the ones they use,
Speaker 2: and it is cool. I mean it is cool. I
Speaker 2: really enjoyed the little trick that he did. And this
Speaker 2: episode was the three hundredth episode ooh that we're watching. Okay,
Speaker 2: so the technology is cool. They go back and forth.
Speaker 2: Well because not you know, when I was in Nope
Speaker 2: and got kicked by a horse, you know, I didn't
Speaker 2: actually get kicked by a horse. But he immediately was
Speaker 2: able to show me how the two scenes melded together,
Speaker 2: like they filmed the horse and then they filmed me,
Speaker 2: and then before I left, Jordan Peele was like, look
Speaker 2: at this, and on a little monitor he showed me
Speaker 2: the footage of the horse kicking me like that quickly
Speaker 2: they were able to put it together. So I'm wondering,
Speaker 2: if it's the same technology, if there's any filmmakers, let
Speaker 2: us know.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So then Craigan still won't admit he could be wrong,
Speaker 2: and Benson's like, come on, dog, like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: And they start talking over Craigan, and they decide to
Speaker 2: like push with Hector and they don't give a fuck
Speaker 2: about him. Also, Craigan makes Tomorrow go with Benson, not Munch,
Speaker 2: even though she wanted to go with Munch, and but
Speaker 2: he makes Munch go through paperwork, so now maybe they'll
Speaker 2: get to the bottom of the rift. Basically, they're walking
Speaker 2: down the streets of New York and he's like, listen, Obviously,
Speaker 2: Captain wants us to partner up again and be like
Speaker 2: the way it was, and they agree to be down
Speaker 2: and work together, and then they walk past the mirror.
Speaker 2: So then Benson says how she never thought that the
Speaker 2: father took Hector, but she was a newbie back then
Speaker 2: and she kind of let herself get stampeded. And Hector's
Speaker 2: mom never moved because she thinks that Hector might come home.
Speaker 2: So they go up to her apartment and she makes
Speaker 2: them read out loud to Bio that he wrote for school.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming, but she wanted to remind Benson who Hector
Speaker 2: was and that he was a really good boy.
Speaker 3: He liked t ball, he had asthma, and he loved chess.
Speaker 2: Amaro starts talking about the custody dispute and basically he
Speaker 2: wanted to raise him in a Pentecostal church and her
Speaker 2: family was Catholic.
Speaker 1: I mean, my husband was raised in the Pentecostal church,
Speaker 1: and I would have taken my son, my children to
Speaker 1: another country.
Speaker 3: And if he told me I had to do that.
Speaker 3: But isn't this Did you guys not talk about it before?
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking, the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: I was like, you guys just didn't ever mention how
Speaker 1: you'd want to raise kids. But I guess people get
Speaker 1: pregnant too without really having those combos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the church argument broke them up, but he
Speaker 2: didn't take Hector. Amaro's like, you're in touch with him?
Speaker 2: She goes, well, his family and he doesn't have my son.
Speaker 2: Somebody else does. Her voice raises and she gets mad
Speaker 2: and she's like, this is about the missing rich boy
Speaker 2: that's been all over the news. He was the same
Speaker 2: age as Hector. Amaro's like, do you recognize this man?
Speaker 2: Shows the bad blurry photo and she's like, did he
Speaker 2: take Hector? And when they say I don't know, she goes,
Speaker 2: fuck you JK. But she's passed and she's just like,
Speaker 2: did you just come here to torture me? People write
Speaker 2: to her, she says, Psychics call out to her with info,
Speaker 2: People reach out He's out there somewhere.
Speaker 3: She said that.
Speaker 2: She throws out all the letters and everything. People reach
Speaker 2: out to her, except one letter that she sent to Benson,
Speaker 2: and Ben like, wait what, I didn't get a letter
Speaker 2: from you? What are you talking about? She goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right. The guy told me to actually write it
Speaker 2: to a cold case. And they're like, who told you that?
Speaker 2: And she goes, well, a cop, she says wrote to her.
Speaker 2: He didn't sign his name, but he said to keep
Speaker 2: pressuring his bosses about Hector or it would happen again,
Speaker 2: And she got it on his thirteenth birthday. So but
Speaker 2: cold case gave up, just like you did, she said.
Speaker 2: She walks to the window to look out it. We
Speaker 2: cut to another office. We go with the boys tomorrow,
Speaker 2: munch out for business. A woman's like, oh s view,
Speaker 2: I would love to move over to your unit live
Speaker 2: bodies for a change. And they compare how their different
Speaker 2: jobs haunt them. She walks into a room of boxes
Speaker 2: and opens one and takes out a little evidence bag
Speaker 2: and it is the letter, and the letter says, stay
Speaker 2: on them, Dolores, NYPD should go to bed every night
Speaker 2: with the cries of your missing child in their ears,
Speaker 2: lest more flames burn the innocent. The Prince traced back
Speaker 2: to an auxiliary cop who said he was off his meds,
Speaker 2: and an auxiliary caught me and someone that's a volunteer
Speaker 2: police reserve and assistant Civil Guards, part time reserves and
Speaker 2: munch out loud, goes Steve Lomitin. He was on Hector's
Speaker 2: search team. He's a bedbug. That's not good.
Speaker 3: Pretty harsh, harsh, harsh for a.
Speaker 1: New Yorker to call someone a bed bug, like, you're
Speaker 1: the worst thing imaginable.
Speaker 3: Way.
Speaker 2: Have you seen the TikTok where it's like people are
Speaker 2: pretending to be the French bedbugs?
Speaker 3: They're just that little berets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I always I feel like I once you
Speaker 2: did the impression. I thought of the musen X guy
Speaker 2: and like, how funny that this little booger became so
Speaker 2: kind of beloved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Nason X bee Antonio Banderas.
Speaker 3: I don't know about the bee. Oh remember the bee.
Speaker 3: You'd be like I returned my flower a changed bee.
Speaker 2: Oh I did not know that. But now I'm thinking bad.
Speaker 2: Now I'm thinking about the Geico Cavemen, and we have
Speaker 2: to put a stop to my brain.
Speaker 3: Could he? Do you remember they got a TV show?
Speaker 1: Insane, truly insane, Like I could not believe that the
Speaker 1: Guico cave Men got a TV show, and yet Flow
Speaker 1: does not get a TV show.
Speaker 3: I'd rather watch a TV show with Flow and her
Speaker 3: weird family. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hope Flows Flows live in the dream Flows people
Speaker 2: are like, but she can't be in other things.
Speaker 3: I go.
Speaker 2: I'd take fifteen million to never act again. I really would.
Speaker 2: I really would.
Speaker 3: People dresses her for Halloween she's famous forever.
Speaker 2: But then Tomorrow asks about the bedbug. Omarro's like, wait,
Speaker 2: so could he have done it? Much goes, oh, no,
Speaker 2: he's a real Boo Radley doesn't have him in it,
Speaker 2: doesn't have him have it in him.
Speaker 3: But where is he now? So they head to Morningside Park.
Speaker 2: Benson and Rollins approach him, and there's a bustling scene,
Speaker 2: so many cops people and this auxiliary cop aka Ray Pashanski.
Speaker 2: That's his character name from Girls, which is hard because
Speaker 2: it's Alex Kerpowski and it's just too many Eastern European
Speaker 2: names to keep. And so he found a cap that
Speaker 2: looked like Wyatt's and Rollin's is like, wow, nice catch,
Speaker 2: and she does a little light flirt. Because he is
Speaker 2: Boo Radley's, she doesn't really have to lay it on thick,
Speaker 2: you know. She laid it on more thick to like
Speaker 2: the little children's sociopaths we've met, I feel like than
Speaker 2: this guy. So he loves the flirting. So they decide
Speaker 2: to go to the precinct. He's been an auxiliary for
Speaker 2: fifteen years in Morningside, even though he lives in Brooklyn
Speaker 2: and as a security guard at the mall who Craigan
Speaker 2: is bleak, This is bleak. Craigan is like, oh, come on,
Speaker 2: he's just likes the neighborhood and like it's not a
Speaker 2: big deal. And I don't understand why Craigan is so
Speaker 2: off this episode, Like did he relapse? I don't get it,
Speaker 2: or is he still shaken from you know, the Dahlia
Speaker 2: situation or Delia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's he's Yeah, he was literally in jail,
Speaker 1: so maybe he's still not got his groove back. But
Speaker 1: it is wild for someone to go from Brooklyn to
Speaker 1: Morningside Heights to be like a volunteer cop. It's an
Speaker 1: hour and a half probably each way. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: has a full time job.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Munch is like, are you kidding me? Craigan, he
Speaker 2: sent the letter and now he found the hat tonight.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? This is fucking shady And we
Speaker 2: don't even know if it's Wyat's And they're checking the
Speaker 2: hair strands to check what's up, and then Rollin interrupts
Speaker 2: with a clip from the news when Hector disappeared and
Speaker 2: Steve Lomititon is on the news and he first discovered
Speaker 2: the missing boy's lunchbox and he was very emotional about it,
Speaker 2: and Munch goes, yeah, what are the odds He found
Speaker 2: Hector's lunchbox and then Wyatt's hat, and Benson's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 2: that's a huge secret, like if he did do it,
Speaker 2: like he's really been able to stay under the radar
Speaker 2: for a long time. And Munch met him back then
Speaker 2: and was and the ray Pashansky was like pissed that
Speaker 2: Munch wasn't treating him like a brother officer, and so
Speaker 2: Craigan goes, go do it again. So Munch is pumped
Speaker 2: and this dude's about to be munched. So he walks
Speaker 2: in with the dude and the dude's a nervous nelly, like.
Speaker 3: What are you doing here?
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, I was just about to ask you
Speaker 2: the same thing, and he goes, you treated me like
Speaker 2: a scale, not a cop. You're doing it again, and
Speaker 2: he's pacing scared away from Munch and he's like, I
Speaker 2: said it would happen again, and it did, and Munch
Speaker 2: is like, yep, and you were right there. He says,
Speaker 2: I don't need to take this, and he wants to leave,
Speaker 2: but right at that moment, right at that moment, I've
Speaker 2: invented a lot of words. Okay, he says, I don't
Speaker 2: need to take this, and he wants to leave, and
Speaker 2: right at that moment, Craigan busts in and scolds Munch
Speaker 2: and he's confused, and Craigan, to ray from girls, is like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Officer Lomaton, I'm so sorry. Sergeant Munch
Speaker 2: is not running this. These women are, and we appreciate you.
Speaker 2: So I love this little trick that's been played. And
Speaker 2: the men leave and he's mad. He's like, oh, what
Speaker 2: the fuck. He's a sergeant and I can't even be
Speaker 2: a regular cop. And they're like, listen, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for finding the hat, and we should have listened
Speaker 2: to you thirteen years ago. And then he looks at
Speaker 2: Benson and goes, you were there. I remember, And then
Speaker 2: Rollins begins to flirt and goes, well I wasn't, and
Speaker 2: he's these cases are connected.
Speaker 3: You don't get it, do you, But it's all in
Speaker 3: my archives.
Speaker 2: So they all follow him to his mom's house, who's like,
Speaker 2: I thought you were out helping find the boy, and
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, mom, they're here to see my work.
Speaker 2: And then he's like a kid excited to show you
Speaker 2: their room when you go to their house for the
Speaker 2: first time, and they run up to the attic and
Speaker 2: it's an obsessive as you can imagine.
Speaker 3: And then plus five.
Speaker 2: So a lot of newspapers, red and black tape y
Speaker 2: are in American flags clippings, and Finn is perfect and says,
Speaker 2: what the hell is this a museum for lost boys?
Speaker 2: So this auxiliary cop Ray Poshanski says to Finn, you
Speaker 2: don't get it, but she does, and like you know,
Speaker 2: nods a little bit to sexy blondie and he is
Speaker 2: convinced that him and Rollins really get each other, and
Speaker 2: she goes along with it. Yeah, Steve, I think I
Speaker 2: get it. And she makes a little ponytail look good
Speaker 2: and so what now, Right, Rollins enters the kitchen and
Speaker 2: there's a ton of uniform cops are clearing the cupboards,
Speaker 2: but she needs a moment and kicks them all out.
Speaker 2: So she starts asking Steve questions and she's just like you,
Speaker 2: keep saying other boys. So what are these other boys?
Speaker 2: And he said that he found seven disappearances in thirteen
Speaker 2: years in three counties. Four of the boys were taken
Speaker 2: by a man wearing a disguise. She cheers him on
Speaker 2: while Finn is on the phone upstairs talking about him
Speaker 2: to Craigan. So now we jump and we're with Hector's
Speaker 2: mom and she goes, oh my god, yeah, I know
Speaker 2: this auxiliary cop. No real cops would come up to
Speaker 2: the beat here, and so you know, they would hang out.
Speaker 2: He would talk, He would talk to Hector. So then
Speaker 2: it's revealed to her he sent you that letter. She
Speaker 2: denies it. She goes, why would he send me the letter?
Speaker 2: We never lost touch. He lights a candle at the
Speaker 2: memorial every year. He never gave up. Benson is like,
Speaker 2: I wish you told me about him and his involvement.
Speaker 2: She goes, why because he didn't give up and you did,
Speaker 2: and Benson looks guilty.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 2: Now they show the photos to the divorce parents and
Speaker 2: she goes, oh my god, it's that pretend cop. And
Speaker 2: Namaro asks if she knows him, and she does. From
Speaker 2: the playground, he talked to all the kids and they
Speaker 2: all start screaming at each other and fighting, and tomorrow
Speaker 2: needs to pull the parents apart.
Speaker 3: She blames him, and it's his fault.
Speaker 2: Marl's like, I know where you are, but you guys
Speaker 2: need to get the fuck past it. So the dad
Speaker 2: walks to her and they hug and he says I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: She hugs and cries. Tomorrow should be a couple's therapist.
Speaker 2: They ask for even though he had one of the
Speaker 2: worst marriage, the worst marriage of all time. They ask
Speaker 2: for him to please bring him back to us. So
Speaker 2: now the fake cop is upstairs doing his diorama report,
Speaker 2: but it's all over the ceiling and walls, and Rollins
Speaker 2: is listening to him go on and on, and she asks, so,
Speaker 2: what's the theory on the connection? And he says someone
Speaker 2: is taking boys and then setting fires to get rid
Speaker 2: of the bodies. And if we don't find why, another
Speaker 2: building might burn down.
Speaker 3: She turns it on.
Speaker 2: She's like, wait, look, I can't wait to report this
Speaker 2: all back to my squad. They're gonna want to know
Speaker 2: where you were today, though, he says, I'll tell you
Speaker 2: and you can verify it, but you can't tell anybody.
Speaker 3: Rollins agrees.
Speaker 2: Finn, Tomorrow and Craigan are talking about it, and they
Speaker 2: him on video at the pharmacy window when Wyatt was snatched.
Speaker 2: Why would he not tell us that? And it's because
Speaker 2: he was getting antipsychotic anxiety and depression meds, and so
Speaker 2: he thinks that's going to fuck us the chances of
Speaker 2: getting into the NYPD. But also they haven't accepted you
Speaker 2: in fifteen years. Yeah, like you're not going to be
Speaker 2: a cop, dude. But also on the pharmacy cameras, we
Speaker 2: see that he came back an hour later to buy
Speaker 2: a child sized baseball cap that he found on the street,
Speaker 2: and she remembers because he paid in cash. So this
Speaker 2: is a full nightmare. He's a wanna be hero on meds,
Speaker 2: Craigan says, and Rollins defends him and goes, sure, he
Speaker 2: might be crazy, but it doesn't mean he's wrong. And
Speaker 2: Munch is like, yeah, there's a connection between the kids
Speaker 2: and the fires. He's onto something and Amorro doesn't see it.
Speaker 2: And Benson also notices one of the fires happened three
Speaker 2: days before Hector disappeared, because she remembers walking past like
Speaker 2: the burnt lot. Rollins is clacking on the computer, and
Speaker 2: four days later a building next to the fire claimed
Speaker 2: there was water damage from that fire, and they put
Speaker 2: they got a rush permit for concrete work in their basement.
Speaker 2: Music plays, Craigan is gonna call the DA get an
Speaker 2: emergency order to dig up the slab, and lou drills
Speaker 2: are shaking down there through the concrete. They dig the
Speaker 2: pieces of the cement and they found something. They wave
Speaker 2: over Benson march in Tomorrow. They look down and then
Speaker 2: at each other, and now it's buzz buzz. Amorro and
Speaker 2: Benson are at the door of Hector's mother's house and
Speaker 2: they're gonna do what Tomorrow says is the worst part
Speaker 2: about being a cop, and Benson agrees. Dolores opens the door.
Speaker 2: They enter her apartment and we may have found She says, stop, please,
Speaker 2: I just want one more second to believe that he's
Speaker 2: coming back. Amaro walks to her and speaks in Spanish
Speaker 2: and shows her the photo of his backpack.
Speaker 3: It's his where did you?
Speaker 2: And she stops you for asking the full question, and
Speaker 2: she cries, oh my baby. She falls into Amorrow's arms
Speaker 2: and then goes to her altar to cry.
Speaker 3: And it's really really sad.
Speaker 2: And she's an incredible actress and I'm just so happy
Speaker 2: for her being in the Bear and I hope she
Speaker 2: wins a fucking Emmy this year. Did she get nominated?
Speaker 2: I wonder whatever, she just deserves everything. Back to the office,
Speaker 2: and her name is l i Za. I think it's
Speaker 2: e Liza that wait, do you know who she's married to,
Speaker 2: Angel from Dexter. No. Yes, and he's been on SVU
Speaker 2: as well. Hold on, let's uh, let's put this all together.
Speaker 2: And hell, yo, dex we found a body in La Pisina. Yeah,
Speaker 2: my Angel, what a character. Okay, So do you think
Speaker 2: it's Lisa Eliza e Liza Cologne Zias Zayas? Oh, Yeahaias
Speaker 2: because he's what's his name, David Zayas. They've been together
Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety eight. What a cute fucking couple. Oh
Speaker 2: and so the episode that her husband was in was
Speaker 2: Protection in SVU season three, episode twelve.
Speaker 3: If you guys want to.
Speaker 2: Put it all together, I'm so glad I remembered that
Speaker 2: they were married because I feel like that's such a
Speaker 2: cute couple. Alert we had a lot of cute couples,
Speaker 2: a lot of cow after couples. So now we're back
Speaker 2: at the office for another tragic day at SVU. Benson's
Speaker 2: getting off the phone with Warner, who looked at the
Speaker 2: dental records and dyed hair, and they finally found Hector
Speaker 2: fractured hyoid bone in the next so he was strangled
Speaker 2: and he leads on the slab. So and this gets
Speaker 2: a little confusing. I had to watch this a few times. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this episode is confusing. Yeah, So if any of you
Speaker 2: are real estate people, let us know. So in ninety nine,
Speaker 2: that building was owned by Davidson LLC, which was an
Speaker 2: overseas company and the only building they owned, and then
Speaker 2: they sold it off five years later and dissolved the LLC.
Speaker 2: They sell it to Morningside LLC, who go on to
Speaker 2: acquire three additional parcels on the block. And all of
Speaker 2: these businesses were Sroro hotels, tenements, and they were emptied
Speaker 2: out and converted into these modern condos and then Munch
Speaker 2: puts it together.
Speaker 3: These are all fronts.
Speaker 2: The buyer didn't want the sellers to know that the
Speaker 2: block is in play, so Morningside was behind the front
Speaker 2: all along.
Speaker 3: Who are they?
Speaker 2: Well, the condo managing agents are Sam and Frank Morris,
Speaker 2: David's father and uncle. Hector was buried in a building
Speaker 2: that was owned by Wyatt's grandfather. Lomaiton was right, there
Speaker 2: are no coincidences. So does that mean that the Davidson
Speaker 2: LLC and Morningside LLC are the same companies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that they basically set up Davidson as like a
Speaker 1: shell company and just let the building probably sit there
Speaker 1: for a few years so that while they acquired other
Speaker 1: places and then made like a big play for like
Speaker 1: the neighborhood, rather than have neighbors go oh, these big
Speaker 1: developers are moving in.
Speaker 3: You know, I think sneaky, sneaky, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they go to the divorce parents to tell
Speaker 2: him the news. The mom is shocked, the boy from
Speaker 2: the mural and now it's like, you know, her worst
Speaker 2: nightmare and fears are beginning to realize again. And the
Speaker 2: guy is like, Okay, they found Hector in a building
Speaker 2: owned by my father. He's like it must be a coincidence.
Speaker 2: Benson slowly explains he was buried beneath a concrete floor
Speaker 2: that was poured four days after he was abducted. The
Speaker 2: dad's like, yeah, okay, I feel sorry for this boy.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've never an SVU history wanted they're a
Speaker 2: child to be dead more.
Speaker 3: Than his you know what I mean. I'm like, don't
Speaker 3: find him, don't find.
Speaker 1: He's like really wild. It's like that scene where he
Speaker 1: loses him. He's so good and you're like you feel
Speaker 1: the panic. But then the rest of the episode he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't really remember people.
Speaker 3: I don't really know faces.
Speaker 1: I'm not visual, I don't I tune people out, Like
Speaker 1: you're like, who are what is your deal?
Speaker 3: Like just a dick? But yeah.
Speaker 2: So Benson finally is like, we need to know who
Speaker 2: poured the concrete, you fucking moron. He's like, in ninety nine,
Speaker 2: I have no idea and my father's dead, and they're like, well,
Speaker 2: you better fucking track it down. So they go to
Speaker 2: some underground type place with boxes and files. Nothing's on
Speaker 2: the computer, it's all loose, and we need info on
Speaker 2: the super of the building. So he's digging and finally
Speaker 2: he sees that the managing agent was someone named el Hoda.
Speaker 2: He then realizes he actually recently had a meeting with
Speaker 2: Lewis Hoda about four months ago. So the meeting was
Speaker 2: basically Hoda telling this rich kid that his father owed
Speaker 2: him money and then he needed to give him money,
Speaker 2: and what his dad hired him.
Speaker 3: For was to be a rough character.
Speaker 2: So Rent strikes illegal tenants, drug dealers, you know, a
Speaker 2: tough guy and They're like, okay, so how do we
Speaker 2: get in touch with him? And he said, well, he
Speaker 2: complained about a basement apartment he had in one of
Speaker 2: my father's old buildings. So they knock at the fuck
Speaker 2: in and arrest the guy in a raid in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night, and they slam him into the
Speaker 2: wall and they're like, where's the boy, where's the boy? Why?
Speaker 3: At seven? Where is he? And He's like, never heard
Speaker 3: of him?
Speaker 2: And Finn shows him a picture and says he works
Speaker 2: for his grandfather. What did you do with the boy?
Speaker 2: Finn screams in his face. Hoda screams back, and it's
Speaker 2: Tom Sizemore, who has over two hundred credits on IMDb,
Speaker 2: and I have not seen not one.
Speaker 1: He just died in March of this year. What I
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, I don't even think I heard about that.
Speaker 2: I did not know he passed. He has a prolific,
Speaker 2: prolific career. It's just like a lot of it's it's
Speaker 2: war and cop It's not really my movies. I'm not
Speaker 2: watching Saving Private Ryan. Yeah, but I been watching Boorn
Speaker 2: on the you know, on the of July, so I
Speaker 2: never see I've never seen his work.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever really seen anything either. I
Speaker 1: just remember, like in this episode, him being really scary,
Speaker 1: but also I remember him dating Heidie Flies, like he
Speaker 1: came to my consciousness when the Heidi Flies thing all
Speaker 1: came to came out.
Speaker 3: Not always be.
Speaker 2: Offensive of the dead, but he looks like someone that
Speaker 2: would have dated Heidi Flies.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I mean he was accused of sexual abuse
Speaker 1: and substance abuse, like he had allegations against him.
Speaker 2: Great, great, great, Well I was actually protesting all of
Speaker 2: his work, so I got on purpose. But the name
Speaker 2: Tom Sizemore is so famous. I feel like that name
Speaker 2: give does something to me. Yeah. Yeah, So he's screaming
Speaker 2: back at Finn, he goes, you got nothing, but then
Speaker 2: Roland's Rolands.
Speaker 3: I am losing it.
Speaker 2: In this apphod Rollins did find something vicodin an oxy
Speaker 2: for an amy rosenthal.
Speaker 3: So everyone's like, good enough for me.
Speaker 2: He's like, sure, arrest me on a couple of bootleg scripts, okay,
Speaker 2: and they get his ass out of there.
Speaker 3: So is this our guy?
Speaker 2: Another work session and Benson is still wearing a white
Speaker 2: long sleeve shirt.
Speaker 3: So is this just one long day? Has no one slept?
Speaker 2: Has this been multiple days, like I can't still be daytime,
Speaker 2: so I'm not really sure what's going on, or maybe
Speaker 2: it's so now Amorrow got some scoop And in the
Speaker 2: nineties he was investigated four times by Marshall's investigating Arsens
Speaker 2: on our SROs and soros. I'll explain our single room
Speaker 2: occupancy hotels and they provide affordable housing.
Speaker 3: So that's really cool.
Speaker 2: So basically there's all these Arsen things with him and
Speaker 2: all these ten of and SROs and other buildings that
Speaker 2: the Morrises wanted gone. Suddenly there was Arson involved. Also,
Speaker 2: he's in the and C I see database. He was
Speaker 2: questioned twice in near playgrounds in Brooklyn and Yonkers in
Speaker 2: one and six, and two boys disappeared in Brooklyn and
Speaker 2: in Yonkers in one and o six, so things are
Speaker 2: starting to paint a little picture. And Lomitton's timeline there
Speaker 2: was a fire a week after both the boy's disappearance.
Speaker 2: So then Craigan is still being so annoying. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but we can't get ahead of ourselves. We don't really
Speaker 2: know who owned the buildings, and it's like Benson, finally
Speaker 2: he's like, go fuck yourself. We can make a case later,
Speaker 2: we need to get him. We need to find the boy.
Speaker 2: We need to find the boy, Craigan. So Craigan sends
Speaker 2: Benson and Tomorrow because he thinks that Hoda might still
Speaker 2: be mad at Finn and rollins for, you know, waking
Speaker 2: him up in such an abrupt manner. He's sitting in
Speaker 2: the room in a tank top and Benson Marvel's at
Speaker 2: his scars and says, I know where they came from.
Speaker 2: You did these right, and shows photos of some fires.
Speaker 2: You worked for David Morris's father, and you're good, maybe
Speaker 2: even the best.
Speaker 3: Nobody thought it was you.
Speaker 2: He's like, excuse me, detectives put, this happened a long
Speaker 2: time ago, and nobody died, so there's really nothing to
Speaker 2: talk about. Benson pushes and was like, well, David Morris
Speaker 2: made a fortune off your work. What did you get
Speaker 2: out of it? That's the way it works, he says.
Speaker 2: Pioneers get the arrows and settlers get the land. Tomorrow
Speaker 2: gets specific tell us about the three seventy six Manhattan Avenue.
Speaker 2: He thinks, I don't know, maybe a grease fire the
Speaker 2: Chinese restaurant next door. Benson goes, no, it actually started
Speaker 2: in a comic book store on the ground floor of
Speaker 2: the building.
Speaker 3: Tenants were on a rent strike.
Speaker 2: He says, oh, yeah, yeah, and starts laughing and mumbling
Speaker 2: and being a little weird. And then they show Hector's
Speaker 2: photo and he denies knowing him at all, and Ben's goes,
Speaker 2: are you sure you were the managing agent just down
Speaker 2: the block?
Speaker 3: He goes, was I? And he does seem drugged.
Speaker 2: I wonder if he was really on drugs or just
Speaker 2: an incredible actor. So yep, And you signed for a
Speaker 2: concrete delivery at the building a week after the fire.
Speaker 2: He goes, oh yeah, you know, from the water from
Speaker 2: the hoses. They flooded the basement and they had to
Speaker 2: do a new slab. But that doesn't make sense because
Speaker 2: that building was one hundred yards away from the fire,
Speaker 2: so you're gonna need another story that would not be
Speaker 2: possible for the water to reach that far. He says, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: a pipe burst, like, who gives a shit. He then
Speaker 2: admits to being there when the concrete was poured, so okay.
Speaker 2: Then explain how Hector ended up buried there, and he goes,
Speaker 2: forty residents, half of them on parole, they all did time.
Speaker 2: They all talked together, like, I don't know what you
Speaker 2: want from me, and they're like, but sure, but you're
Speaker 2: the only one that was been questioned for hanging around playgrounds.
Speaker 2: But also you were there when the concrete was poured,
Speaker 2: so yeah.
Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: So they keep pushing and piling on the evidence, and
Speaker 2: he says, you got this all wrong. This is a
Speaker 2: twilight zone, and they're like, come on, dude, just tell
Speaker 2: us what happened. She's like, you did the fires and
Speaker 2: you double dipped. He punches the table with all his might,
Speaker 2: tries to leave and Amaro pushes him in to the
Speaker 2: wall and Benson slowly walks him and says, you're not
Speaker 2: going anywhere this time, Lewis, because we have witnesses putting
Speaker 2: you at all those crime scenes. And nobody likes Sachomo,
Speaker 2: especially not in state prison. And he says, I didn't
Speaker 2: touch those kids. He starts to crumble at the thought
Speaker 2: of being Chicken Hawk in prison and that is a pedophile.
Speaker 2: So there's some pacing going on around and Omar's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you're good for the fires, but these little boys, you
Speaker 2: never touched them, Is that what you're saying? He goes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm a professional and I'm just doing my job. And
Speaker 2: he goes, well, sure, and if you don't want the
Speaker 2: DA to put the child stuff on you, you need
Speaker 2: to help us. He crumbles to the ground and is
Speaker 2: sitting on the ground distraught, and Tomorrow pushes him like, Morris,
Speaker 2: family sucks. Right. You took a lot of risks and
Speaker 2: made that family a lot of money. And when his
Speaker 2: son needed to do right by you, he acted like
Speaker 2: he didn't even know you. And he says, what I
Speaker 2: did for that family, they should have given me the penthouse.
Speaker 2: The old man he had balls, David. He has no
Speaker 2: idea none. He doesn't know what it takes to empty
Speaker 2: a building. You don't do it with lawsuits and BS payouts.
Speaker 2: You do it with fire. This guy's old school and
Speaker 2: he lifts his fists in the air and he goes
Speaker 2: and Sister, just like you said, I have the scars
Speaker 2: to prove it. I'm in the Hall of fame. And
Speaker 2: so then Omaro goes and you took Wyatt, so Morris ojus.
Speaker 2: So we can put that out there and say there
Speaker 2: was a ransom demand. But with Hector, that boy had asthma.
Speaker 2: That boy just stopped breathing when he was with you, right,
Speaker 2: and the dude snaps. So bensons, we could put all
Speaker 2: of this out there, about the morrises and all this bullshit,
Speaker 2: but you've got to give us something, Lewis, so he ponders,
Speaker 2: then crouch down to him and they both are like
Speaker 2: face level to him, and they're like, tell us where
Speaker 2: Wyatt is right now?
Speaker 3: Siren blaars.
Speaker 2: The cops are running, clipping open locks to a series
Speaker 2: of fences. They enter a dark, giant building, flashlights out
Speaker 2: and screaming for Wyatt.
Speaker 3: What is this place?
Speaker 2: Huge white bricks inside, It's like an abandoned something. And
Speaker 2: then we hear mommy and Ben and runs towards the
Speaker 2: voice and behind a wooden door, is Wyat Are you okay?
Speaker 2: She lifts him, hugs him, she carries him out. His
Speaker 2: parents run to him. They all hug and walk off together,
Speaker 2: and Benson calls him a brave boy, but says, after
Speaker 2: all this, he's gonna need both of his parents. And
Speaker 2: Norah Jones starts playing again, and the three of them hug.
Speaker 2: But for poor Hector, just more candles, flowers and vigils
Speaker 2: and tears and that stickwolf baby.
Speaker 3: It's a confusing episode because it's.
Speaker 1: Like because they've gotten a real estate law like yeah,
Speaker 1: but also, why did he take Hector? Is he a
Speaker 1: child molester? I know we're going to get into this
Speaker 1: because this is this episode wildly concludes in three seasons
Speaker 1: with the trial of Lewis Hoda, so I'm sure we're
Speaker 1: gonna learn more. But like, if you're just watching this
Speaker 1: episode and I don't know that they knew they were
Speaker 1: going to do another episode three years down the road,
Speaker 1: why did he take Hector? Why did he kill Hector?
Speaker 1: He was strangled, so it wasn't like he didn't stop
Speaker 1: breathing from asthma. Did he take him because he went
Speaker 1: to molest him and then kill him? Like is that
Speaker 1: what it was and poured the concrete over him? Oh?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, because it but it seemed like it's weird.
Speaker 1: Because it's like, you took this boy for molestation, but
Speaker 1: you took this other boy for revenge. It's just a
Speaker 1: little bit creat like confusing. You know, Oh, maybe he's
Speaker 1: not a pedophile.
Speaker 2: Interesting, but we don't know if Wyatt's been molested, would
Speaker 2: have been molested?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know.
Speaker 2: I think they're I think they were just in this
Speaker 2: they might even still charge him for stuff.
Speaker 3: We'll see what the evidence is.
Speaker 2: I think for this, it was just like they needed
Speaker 2: to say whatever to fucking find Wyatt, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. It is a good episode, and it just
Speaker 2: shows you how rich people suck and losing a child
Speaker 2: is really hard.
Speaker 3: Yes, horrible, the worst thing.
Speaker 1: And hopefully this will be a wake up call for
Speaker 1: Richie rich to start memorizing some faces and keeping a
Speaker 1: better eye on his kid.
Speaker 3: Do you think the parents are going to get back together?
Speaker 1: They kiss at the end. I saw that, Like they kiss,
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It's like if you guys fight
Speaker 1: and hate each other, I don't really know that this
Speaker 1: would like fully repair everything, Like hopefully it would make you
Speaker 1: guys co parent better. But I don't know, like if
Speaker 1: you got you're getting divorced, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe they'll fuck once or twice and then
Speaker 2: realize yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: The trauma bonding.
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Speaker 1: and we will be right back with some crime.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 1: So obviously, when I watch this episode, my mind immediately
Speaker 1: goes to Aton Pats, who is a little boy who
Speaker 1: went missing in New York City in oh gosh, the
Speaker 1: eighties I believe or seventy nine, sorry, and he disappeared.
Speaker 1: And it's like a case that spans a long time,
Speaker 1: but this one matches up, I think more with the
Speaker 1: next episode, which we're gonna do called Depravity Standard, and
Speaker 1: so we're going to cover that then. I just don't
Speaker 1: want everybody writing and going, this is about Aton Pats.
Speaker 1: It's like I know it is, but it's going to
Speaker 1: be for next time. This one I'm going to cover
Speaker 1: the Bobby Greenlea's case. Have you ever heard of this, Liza, No,
Speaker 1: I have not. No, I had never heard of this.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of green, Green River, you know, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of green Yeah, green River killer Bobby Greenlea's.
Speaker 1: This case reminds me of like the first episode the
Speaker 1: first season of the Perry Mason reboot, like all kinds
Speaker 1: of things I've seen on television. I'm sure it's been
Speaker 1: like dramatized, but this all takes place in nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 1: Robert Cosgrove Greenlea's Junior aka Bobby at the time is
Speaker 1: the six year old son of Robert Cosgrove Greenlee Senior,
Speaker 1: a millionaire car dealer in Kansas City, Missouri.
Speaker 3: This guy brought.
Speaker 1: General Motors cars like to the Great Planes so and
Speaker 1: he owned dealerships from like Texas to the Dakotas.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 3: He was just like a very wealthy man.
Speaker 1: And he was I think actually in his sixties when
Speaker 1: they had Bobby, and he had an older adopted son
Speaker 1: and so. On September twenty eighth of nineteen fifty three,
Speaker 1: little Bobby was attending the French Institute of Notre Dame
Speaker 1: de Sion when a woman came to the school claiming
Speaker 1: to be Bobby's aunt. A nun that answered the door
Speaker 1: was named Sister Moron, and was told by this woman
Speaker 1: that Bobby's mother had had a heart attack and was
Speaker 1: in the hospital. She was extremely upset, and Sister Moron
Speaker 1: just went and got Bobby and brought her him right
Speaker 1: to this woman, and Bobby went with the woman no problem.
Speaker 1: Nothing in his behavior suggested that he didn't know this
Speaker 1: woman or that she wasn't his aunt. And the woman
Speaker 1: took Bobby away in a taxi. And then later that morning,
Speaker 1: another nun, sister Marthana, called the Green Laces to check
Speaker 1: in on the mom and see like, oh, what's the
Speaker 1: status of her? Is she oka? And who picks up
Speaker 1: the phone? But the mom healthy and not a heart
Speaker 1: attack in sight. So the whole story was a ruse.
Speaker 1: And Bobby had been abducted straight out of his school,
Speaker 1: which which is such a ballsy, fucking thing to do,
Speaker 1: because like what if he had made a fuss and said,
Speaker 1: that's not my aunt, I don't want to go with you,
Speaker 1: or like they to just be that confident to go
Speaker 1: to a school and just walk out with a kid
Speaker 1: is so nuts. So Bobby's mother called his father, who
Speaker 1: called the Kansas City Police and then they handed the
Speaker 1: case over to the FBI. And actually a lot of
Speaker 1: the information I got for this crime I got on
Speaker 1: the FBI website.
Speaker 3: There's like a lot of information on it there.
Speaker 1: So a cab driver for a cab company named Willard
Speaker 1: Pearson Creech told the authorities that he had picked up
Speaker 1: this woman dropped her at the school and she said
Speaker 1: wait for me, and that she got into the cab
Speaker 1: with Bobby six minutes after arriving. So it took her
Speaker 1: six minutes for her to be like, give me this kid,
Speaker 1: let's go. And a few hours later the greenleass got
Speaker 1: a ransom note. The first letter was mailed special delivery
Speaker 1: and postmarked six pm on September twenty eighth, the day
Speaker 1: he went missing, and it demanded six hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: in twenties and tens to be placed in a Douffel bag.
Speaker 1: They promised to return Bobby safe and sound within twenty
Speaker 1: four hours as long as they got the payment, and
Speaker 1: there was no funny business, you know, no tricks. The
Speaker 1: second ransom letter was postmarked nine thirty pm on September
Speaker 1: twenty ninth, the next day, and inside that envelope was
Speaker 1: along with the letter was a Jerusalem medal that Bobby wore.
Speaker 1: So this letter also demanded the six hundred thousand and
Speaker 1: said that Bobby was doing fine but that he was homesick.
Speaker 1: So now the Greenleases received over half a dozen ransom
Speaker 1: notes and fifteen telephone calls, and it's like, fuck, these
Speaker 1: are thirsty kidnappers, like they were really reaching out a lot.
Speaker 1: But the Leases are multimillionaires, so they do pay the ransom.
Speaker 1: Like the final call was received on October fifth, So
Speaker 1: this is like a week of them just getting these
Speaker 1: calls and ransom notes from the green from the kidnappers
Speaker 1: and the Green leases, I guess are working out with
Speaker 1: the FBI how to get the money, how to deliver
Speaker 1: the money. I don't know what's happening. I don't know
Speaker 1: why it took like a week. But the kidnappers then
Speaker 1: in their last phone call, they say, we've got the
Speaker 1: six hundred thousand. Bobby is fine, and he's alive and
Speaker 1: will be He will be returned to you in twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. Sadly, unbeknownst to the family, the kidnappers, who
Speaker 1: are named Carl Hall and Bonnie Hetty, it's a man
Speaker 1: and a woman, a couple. They're not married, but their boyfriend,
Speaker 1: girlfriend or whatever. They had killed Bobby almost immediately after
Speaker 1: his abduction. They shot him in their car with a
Speaker 1: thirty eight caliber revolver, and all of the talk about
Speaker 1: bringing him back was not true. They were never going
Speaker 1: to deliver him. They actually they think that the ransom
Speaker 1: notes came even after he was dead, Like it wasn't like, oh,
Speaker 1: he you know, he's seen our faces.
Speaker 3: We have to kill it. Like they killed him right away.
Speaker 3: So they also.
Speaker 1: Buried his body near Bonnie Hetty's home in Saint Joseph, Missouri,
Speaker 1: the body had been wrapped in a large plastic bag
Speaker 1: and had lime poured over it, which is to like
Speaker 1: disintegrate the body, I think. And so on October seven,
Speaker 1: a couple of days after he was founded, about ten
Speaker 1: days after he was taken, the family dentist identified his
Speaker 1: body with confirming gentle records. So kind of like what
Speaker 1: they had to do with Hector sadly now, Carl Hall,
Speaker 1: the man in the situation. He had gone to military
Speaker 1: school with Paul Robert Greenlea's who is Bobby's adopted older brother.
Speaker 3: And this guy, Carl.
Speaker 1: Hall, had been planning for years to get his hands
Speaker 1: on this family's money. He was like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do something to these people at some point, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to get their fucking money, which kind of sounds
Speaker 1: like this Lewis guy, like he wants this family's fucking money.
Speaker 1: And although he feels like he worked for it, this
Speaker 1: guy just spotted a rich family.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't believe in killing children, obviously, that
Speaker 2: doesn't need to be.
Speaker 3: Say to do a lot of illegal shit.
Speaker 2: He deserved a fucking payout and not a basement apartment.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they fucked him over and they're rich people,
Speaker 2: like obviously they have no morals, and that family in particular, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: with the neighborhood and the shadiness in the LLCs, Like,
Speaker 2: they're obviously not going to just pay people. But I
Speaker 2: think Hoda deserved a couple million dollars sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, aside from being a child killer, but like just the.
Speaker 3: For the work alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if no one died in the buildings of
Speaker 2: US fires, that's that's incredible. That's the work. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is disgusting. I really did not see it coming that
Speaker 2: this little boy was murdered immediately. I've really I thought
Speaker 2: this was honestly going to be like quick done, and
Speaker 2: I thought you were just going to be like and
Speaker 2: then he was returned. I this is like horrible.
Speaker 1: Sadly, I'm sorry that's not the case, but there's more
Speaker 1: like weirdness to this. Like so basically, once Carl and
Speaker 1: Bonnie got the ransom money, they hit the road for
Speaker 1: Saint Louis, which is about three hundred and eighty miles
Speaker 1: away from Kansas City. After they got there, I guess
Speaker 1: they went out to party that they had killed a
Speaker 1: kid and gotte all this money, and Bonnie got really drunk,
Speaker 1: Carl brought her to an apartment he'd rented in Saint Louis,
Speaker 1: and Bonnie passed out. Carl immediately left, leaving her with
Speaker 1: only two thousand dollars of the six hundred thousand, and
Speaker 1: then he took a sex worker back to a motel.
Speaker 3: Apparently.
Speaker 1: Then the next day, on October six, he bought two
Speaker 1: big garbage cans and a shovel, and his plan was
Speaker 1: to bury the money, but he couldn't find a good
Speaker 1: place to do it, and he had already also I think,
Speaker 1: transferred the money to two big suitcases. This is like
Speaker 1: a little bit relevant later from the duffel bag that
Speaker 1: it was originally delivered him. So apparently he ditches these
Speaker 1: cans and he goes back to his motel. Then he
Speaker 1: gets suspicious about somebody hanging out his hotel, so he
Speaker 1: changes to like hotel apartment in Saint Louis. And then
Speaker 1: the same day, the Saint Louis Police Department gets a
Speaker 1: call from a driver at the Ace cab company in
Speaker 1: Saint Louis, and I also read that this. I've read
Speaker 1: that this cab driver called the Saint Louis Police Department,
Speaker 1: but I've also read that he tipped off his boss,
Speaker 1: who was a mobster named Joe Costello, and that Joe
Speaker 1: Costello called Lieutenant Louis Shoulders, who is a crooked Saint
Speaker 1: Louis cop or it could be Lewis Shoulders, Louis Lewis,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Uh, you know, we have problems with
Speaker 1: that name on this podcast. So this guy's a crooked cop.
Speaker 1: Shoulders and his driver, this patrolman named Elmer Dolan, then
Speaker 1: arrest Hall on October sixth, and the ransom money disappears.
Speaker 3: Nobody knows where it goes.
Speaker 1: Hall originally tells the cops that his name is John
Speaker 1: James Byrne at first, but like you know, the jig
Speaker 1: is up pretty quickly. He later directs cops to the
Speaker 1: apartment where his girlfriend is passed out, and they arrest her,
Speaker 1: his girlfriend and co conspirator. Hall was interrogated by the
Speaker 1: FBI and law enforcement many times, and every time he insisted,
Speaker 1: I had all the ransom money with me at the
Speaker 1: time I was arrested, Like I had all of it.
Speaker 1: It was all there in these two suitcases. So he
Speaker 1: admitted finally to FBI agents the planning of the kidnapping.
Speaker 1: The abduction of the victim, burying the body, picking up
Speaker 1: the ransom money. But he at first he denied that
Speaker 1: he killed Bobby, and he tried to pin it on
Speaker 1: someone named Tom Marsh. He said he delivered Bobby to
Speaker 1: this person named Tom Marsh. He later admitted that Tom
Speaker 1: Marsh was made up person and that he and Bonnie
Speaker 1: had done the entire crime on their own for the money.
Speaker 1: So Bonnie Hetty also admitted to helping Hall in preparing
Speaker 1: the ransom notes, and of going to the school and
Speaker 1: actually being the one to take Bobby.
Speaker 3: So they pretty much admitted all what's crazy is that
Speaker 3: On SVU.
Speaker 1: This episode aired season fourteen. The trial happened season seventeen.
Speaker 1: Three years go by. You're about to hear about the
Speaker 1: fastest criminal proceedings I've ever heard of in my life.
Speaker 1: I don't know if things have just gotten slower over time.
Speaker 1: In the fifties, they were just plugging along. But these
Speaker 1: people get arrested on like October seventh, October thirtieth.
Speaker 3: They're in front of a judge.
Speaker 1: Okay, they're in front of judge Albert sew Times, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: in federal court in Kansas City. They plead guilty on
Speaker 1: November nineteenth, two and a half weeks later, the jury
Speaker 1: hears the evidence, they recommend the death penalty after only
Speaker 1: an hour and eight minutes of deliberation. Fifteen minutes after
Speaker 1: the verdict was announced, the judge sentenced them to be
Speaker 1: executed on December eighteenth. Judge Reeves said, quote, I think
Speaker 1: the verdict fits the evidence. It is the most cold blooded,
Speaker 1: brutal murder I have ever tried.
Speaker 3: End quote. So, Carl Austin Hall.
Speaker 1: And Bonnie Emily Hetty were executed together in Missouri's gas
Speaker 1: chamber at the State Penitentiary in Jefferson City on December eighteenth,
Speaker 1: like not even like three months from when they committed
Speaker 1: the crime. From committing the crime to execution less than
Speaker 1: three months. Hall was pronounced dead at twelve twelve and
Speaker 1: Bonnie Hetty was pronounced dead twenty seconds later. Interestingly, I
Speaker 1: thought Hetty is one of only four women who have
Speaker 1: ever been executed by federal authorities as of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: The first one was a Lincoln assassination conspirator conspirator named
Speaker 1: Mary Serat in eighteen sixty five.
Speaker 3: The second one was Ethel Rosenberg. We all know the Rosenberg.
Speaker 1: Soviet spies in nineteen fifty three, just months before Hetty.
Speaker 1: Then there was Bonnie Hetty. And the fourth woman is
Speaker 1: Lisa Montgomery, the woman who killed and cut the baby
Speaker 1: out of Bobby Joe Stinnett on the case that we covered,
Speaker 1: and she actually was only executed back in Janie of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and we personally on this podcast, like
Speaker 1: rallied for her pardon because she had gone through so
Speaker 1: much abuse in her life that there was a lot
Speaker 1: of evidence that she had brain damage and I didn't
Speaker 1: think it was even though she committed a horrific crime,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of evidence that she was horribly abused
Speaker 1: her entire life and had kind of a warped sense
Speaker 1: of right and wrong. And I think lifelong incarceration would
Speaker 1: have been fined for her. But she's the fourth woman
Speaker 1: and she was just killed two years ago. So from
Speaker 1: fifty three to twenty twenty one, the federal government did
Speaker 1: not execute any women.
Speaker 2: Well them being together, like so they're just in one
Speaker 2: gas chamber together, that's I mean.
Speaker 1: It says that I think they got gas together. I
Speaker 1: think maybe people they wanted to make like an example.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but yeah, gas together, and over
Speaker 1: half of the six hundred thousand dollars was never found.
Speaker 1: An FBI investigation went into finding the two suitcases which
Speaker 1: had all the ransom money, and they were apparently not
Speaker 1: just never brought to the precinct. The money just disappeared
Speaker 1: and according to the arresting officers, Lewis Shoulders, Lieutenant Lewis
Speaker 1: Shoulders and Patrolman Elmer Dolan, they never made it to
Speaker 1: the precinct. Both officers were subsequently federally indicted for perjury.
Speaker 3: They were both convicted.
Speaker 1: Shoulders got three years in prison, Dolan got two years
Speaker 1: in prison, and after they were released from prison, they
Speaker 1: both returned to the Saint Louis area and Shoulders died
Speaker 1: a few years later and never fessed up to it,
Speaker 1: and Dolan got a pardon from Lyndon B.
Speaker 3: Johnson in nineteen sixty five. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: know where did this fucking money go.
Speaker 1: I always wonder that sometimes, like the cops sew it
Speaker 1: when we.
Speaker 3: Watch these shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course they took it, but like it must
Speaker 1: be it's different in this situation where it's like where
Speaker 1: it's like this is money for a baby that was
Speaker 1: killed or for a little kid that died. But like
Speaker 1: when they go into like SVU and they all bust
Speaker 1: a drug ring and it's just like packs and packs
Speaker 1: of money, aren't they ever?
Speaker 3: Like this is just drug money.
Speaker 1: If I could just take a couple thousand, you know,
Speaker 1: like I would be like, you know, not that drug
Speaker 1: money doesn't have casualties. Of course it does, but you know,
Speaker 1: not ransom for a child. So anyway, that's the sad
Speaker 1: story of Bobby Greenley's. But I feel like I the
Speaker 1: whole thing of the first season of Perry Mason, the
Speaker 1: new one that they did with Matthew Reese, was about
Speaker 1: the abduction of a baby and the like the father's
Speaker 1: family is kind of rich and like, I just feel
Speaker 1: like we've seen this kind of thing before in TV
Speaker 1: shows and stuff, and maybe it's all based on this,
Speaker 1: but I didn't.
Speaker 3: I had never heard of this case before. No, I haven't.
Speaker 2: And it's like they I can't believe they killed him immediately.
Speaker 2: I mean, I am against the death penalty, but I'm
Speaker 2: happy they got Yeah, they're.
Speaker 3: Bad, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Ugh, sad because it really feels like they probably could
Speaker 1: have just left him in a field and taking the money,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: So well. Yeah, And it's also like, why did Hector
Speaker 3: die and not Wyat?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well join us for a post mortem.
Speaker 1: All right, post mortem time, baby, what did we learn?
Speaker 1: Stay very close to your children when they're getting on
Speaker 1: the subway.
Speaker 3: That makes me so scared. The idea that is like.
Speaker 1: My ultimate nightmare when I was a nanny too, Like
Speaker 1: just the idea of getting separated from a kid we're
Speaker 1: there on the train or there on the platform and
Speaker 1: you're on the train, Like that is my like nightmare.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is really scary.
Speaker 2: But also I've seen these kinds of I mean, this
Speaker 2: guy was different because his goal was kidnapping, but I've
Speaker 2: seen an action like money mind trick people. Like my
Speaker 2: friend was a bartender and this guy walked in and
Speaker 2: I truly like we all just watched her, and she
Speaker 2: gave him money she didn't want to, and like immediately
Speaker 2: we knew we were tricked, and we tried to find him,
Speaker 2: and I followed him and then he ducked away like
Speaker 2: he was truly a master sneak and mind control.
Speaker 3: And this happened to a friend also in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: It's like this neighborhood guy, she was bartending, and he
Speaker 2: walked in and she ended up giving him all this
Speaker 2: money from the register.
Speaker 3: Like because he mind tricked them.
Speaker 2: It's a mind trick where he gives money, or like
Speaker 2: someone gives you cash and goes, oh, no, I gave
Speaker 2: you this, and then you're kind of like, oh, I
Speaker 2: didn't realize, or like they ask for change and like
Speaker 2: he whirl wins you in a way. And I watched
Speaker 2: it happen once and then I had another friend where
Speaker 2: it happened to in the same neighborhood where it's like
Speaker 2: you just they like hypnotize you in this wild way,
Speaker 2: because why else would he pick up that money.
Speaker 3: Like I want to be like be vigilant. Fuck money.
Speaker 2: Everyone's trying to trick you, like if someone drops you,
Speaker 2: like don't do it, but they're good at tricking you
Speaker 2: to thinking you should pick up that cash, like you know,
Speaker 2: you never think it's gonna be you, and then you're
Speaker 2: in the call. It's kind of like our friend who
Speaker 2: nailed glued, you know, her her fangs, vampire fanks to
Speaker 2: her teeth. She her big thing is like you make
Speaker 2: fun of the gorilla glue girl, and then you're the
Speaker 2: gorilla glue girl.
Speaker 3: And it's you no.
Speaker 1: And it reminds me too of a person I knew
Speaker 1: who a psychic took them to an ATM and was like,
Speaker 1: you have to take out all your money so I
Speaker 1: can like bless it or whatever and give it to me,
Speaker 1: and just the psychic fully robbed her.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Luckily she didn't have that much money, but I think
Speaker 1: it was a few hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: The psychic rabbed her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes I don't know if that was a mind
Speaker 1: trick so much as somebody being very gullible and believing
Speaker 1: everything a psychic tells them to do. But what else
Speaker 1: this episode, I mean, this episode's stressful. Missing children is
Speaker 1: obviously very a stressful thing for me to think about.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad they found a little wyat, but not
Speaker 1: I'm sad about what happened to Hector.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like how do you keep living?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the mom is just so sad, and that the
Speaker 2: cops fucked up so long ago, like that Kragan, even
Speaker 2: this guy that we see as like a good cop
Speaker 2: or whatnot. It was so gung ho of like yeah, whatever,
Speaker 2: dad took custody and we're done, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, the fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was weird that they were so willing to
Speaker 1: just be like, oh, this is what happened, like you know,
Speaker 1: and the real case is so wild. But I guess
Speaker 1: it's like in the fifties people were just like walking
Speaker 1: into schools and saying, I'm your aunt, come with me.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's so because now it's so many signatures. Oh yeah
Speaker 2: you have.
Speaker 1: There's like a list of only certain people, and there's apps.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like, really, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Just heard that a Chucky cheese they put a little
Speaker 1: bracelet on the kids that they can't leave or go
Speaker 1: with anybody else that has to match the parents.
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's genius.
Speaker 1: They did at the hospital when I had child, they
Speaker 1: put a little lowjack on them so that you can't
Speaker 1: do any baby swapping.
Speaker 3: Damn yeah, child.
Speaker 2: Casino anyway, Uh yeah, take care of your kids, be
Speaker 2: nice and don't be I have your rich kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're a fucking.
Speaker 1: Multimillionaire, pay the people that do your dirty work so
Speaker 1: they don't.
Speaker 3: Fucking kidnap your kid. Jesus.
Speaker 2: She rich people are so cheap at times, like fuck,
Speaker 2: get it together. Yeah, I mean, the boy didn't deserve it.
Speaker 2: They should have kidnapped the dad and I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: even bad at.
Speaker 1: It, And his ex wife wouldn't have given a shit either.
Speaker 1: She would have been like, great, he's late all the
Speaker 1: time anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to only see your kid once every
Speaker 2: two weeks and still be an hour and a half late,
Speaker 2: You're a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: And then bring him to like meet your girlfriend where
Speaker 1: she works, like just like dedicate the time.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: This guy's a dick, But I'm wonderful When I saw
Speaker 1: him in Twelfth Night at the Shakespeare in the Park.
Speaker 2: Dude, Andrew Reynolds and Josh Gadwaran watch What Happens Live
Speaker 2: and like, Andrew Rynolds, what a Broadway career. I don't
Speaker 2: think I realized what a star he is. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I knew put a Mormon, but he was like in
Speaker 2: the Hairspray and too that, like he's in.
Speaker 1: So were you the one telling me that he's like
Speaker 1: always off book, like from rehearsal one and he's like
Speaker 1: somebody was telling me he's like so professional and like
Speaker 1: so good and just knows like how to do everything
Speaker 1: from the day like from day one. I forgot who
Speaker 1: it was telling me, But like somebody was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's just like so good at what he does. Like, wow,
Speaker 1: I love him. I love him and like I loved
Speaker 1: him in Girls, I loved him in Black Monday. I
Speaker 1: like him when he does like just straight up acting
Speaker 1: stuff too, not just musicals. But I saw him in No,
Speaker 1: I didn't see him in Book of Mormon.
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think I saw the original
Speaker 3: cat Now.
Speaker 2: I saw the Chicago touring. I kind of want to
Speaker 2: see it again though, but only with him.
Speaker 1: But I saw, you know, I saw a Book of
Speaker 1: Mormon for like sixty dollars because I think I saw
Speaker 1: it at the end of previews, so it's possible I
Speaker 1: saw it with them.
Speaker 2: No, I hope. I hope to meet him. I love
Speaker 2: a professional cutie. He seems sweet and amazing and I'm
Speaker 2: a big fan. I'm a huge fan of him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's the best. He needs studyosvo.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, then we can have him on the pod
Speaker 1: him as like a killer like that you don't suspect.
Speaker 3: Oh that would be fun.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into or what would Sister Peg do
Speaker 1: for the week. This is our weekly segment where we
Speaker 1: point you to an organization, a blog, a book, a movie,
Speaker 1: something to give you more info about what we talked
Speaker 1: about today, and we thought we would point you guys
Speaker 1: this week to the International Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Speaker 1: It's a group that works to protect children around the
Speaker 1: world from going missing by providing resources for governments, law enforcement, NGOs,
Speaker 1: and families on prevention as well as the appropriate actions
Speaker 1: to take in the event that a child does go missing.
Speaker 1: And I thought this was interesting because, you know, in
Speaker 1: the episode, they think he's in the Dominican Republic. It's like,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't there be a an ability to look for
Speaker 1: him there? You know, I think organizations like this help
Speaker 1: sort of probably bridge a lot of those gaps. And
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Speaker 1: As always, please see our show notes for sources and
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much to our producer Casey O'Brien and
Speaker 2: our associate producer Christina Chamberlain, and.
Speaker 1: To our mixer John Bradley and our guest booker Patrick Cottner,
Speaker 1: and to Henry Kaperski for our theme song and Carly
Speaker 1: Geen Andrews for our artwork. Thank you to our executive
Speaker 1: producers Georgia Hardstart, Karen Kilgarriff, Daniel Kramer and everybody at
Speaker 1: Exactly Right Media.
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