WEBVTT - Manhattan Vigil

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 4>Done, Yay.

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<v Speaker 2>Another episode of That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thrilled to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Lisa and I'm Kara, your other hosts, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know what we do on this podcast. It's sview episodes

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<v Speaker 1>true crime. Usually a guest, but we're still supporting our

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<v Speaker 1>SAG after strike and not having guests on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>but hopefully in twenty twenty four we're back at you

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<v Speaker 1>with some guests. In the meantime, absolutely all we get started.

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<v Speaker 2>Because yeah, it's yeah, I want to talk to the people.

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<v Speaker 2>I miss it, I miss stuck it, I miss it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I am enjoying this. So Thanksgiving is coming and

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<v Speaker 2>on sunset there's a bowl a billboard for a horror

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<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving movie. Yes, another intro in a row. We are

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<v Speaker 2>mentioning Halloween and horror not on purpose. Even this is

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<v Speaker 2>see what isn't?

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<v Speaker 3>What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>So the billboard is like a giant turkey and then

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<v Speaker 2>in it is a giant bloody knife and the handle

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<v Speaker 2>is like sticking out.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm on the IMDb of it right now, and

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<v Speaker 2>it says after a Black Friday riot ends in tragedy,

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<v Speaker 2>a mysterious Thanksgiving inspired killer terrorizes Plymouth, Massachusetts, the birthplace

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<v Speaker 2>of the infamous holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the movie called Thanksgiving? I was just called Thanksgiving?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? And what other I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>There's that movie with what the fuck is her name?

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<v Speaker 2>Mary to Cruise Dawson's Creek, Katie Holmes, Katie Holmes. Katie

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<v Speaker 2>Holmes is in like Pieces of April. That's a Thanksgiving meal,

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<v Speaker 2>But like what other Thanksgiving movies are there? But the

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<v Speaker 2>main character, okay, is Rick Hoffman from Suits, the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that everyone loves, So that's exciting to see him in

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<v Speaker 2>a starring vehicle. But Gina Gershawn, Patrick Dempsey. So I'm honest, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking, And I got Tim Dylan's in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Tim Dillon's in it? Yes, Oh my my god? Why

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<v Speaker 3>so wild? Wait?

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<v Speaker 1>The ultimate Thanksgiving movie is Adam's Family Values where they

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<v Speaker 1>do a Thanksgiving play remember.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I oh, you're right, yes I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a little summer camp that they go to

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<v Speaker 3>that's and yeah, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna with you, that's not a Thanksgiving movie. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving scene scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that is different when I you're right though, because

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<v Speaker 1>when I look it up, like it's literally like a

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Brown Thanksgiving. I mean, there's really just not the

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<v Speaker 1>Giving movies, which is wild because it is like there's

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<v Speaker 1>a movie called Friendsgiving from twenty twenty on tub that

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<v Speaker 1>has Wanda Sykes and it looks like Malan Ackerman, Kat Dennings,

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<v Speaker 1>Jane Seymour, Aysha Tyler, Christine Taylor.

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<v Speaker 3>Here you check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to see. Oh there will be no leftovers.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the little tagline.

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<v Speaker 3>Here will be no leftovers.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're dead, bitch. They're not even paying us for this.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm excited. Oh yeah, So I'm looking at a

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<v Speaker 2>photo of Patrick Dempsey like shooting off a gun at

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<v Speaker 2>a Black Friday sale. Yeah, at rightmar at right, Maar, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna watch it. I'm seeing it. I honestly a

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<v Speaker 2>genre creating movie. Like I don't know why Thanksgiving doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have more movies. I guess Christmas is more universal and

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<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving is just for one country and it's based on

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<v Speaker 2>you know, lies and slaughter. Yeah, you're running a fun sweater.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh thanks, stripey. Yeah, whereas I've never seen that before.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've warned around you. I got it off

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<v Speaker 1>my mom group. You know where I do most of

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<v Speaker 1>my shopping.

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<v Speaker 2>I ordered so much stuff on Asos, and I always

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<v Speaker 2>hate this when I return more than I keep. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's fun getting money back. Like that's exciting

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<v Speaker 2>because then it feels like you're winning something.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is a refund hits. Yeah, yeah, is that

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<v Speaker 1>a real sock? No, I made it up.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it when the refund hits. I just keep

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<v Speaker 2>looking at this Thanksgiving trailer over and over. They got me.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude's billboards get me. That's how I went to go

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<v Speaker 2>see Incubus. I saw a billboard.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I never understand because they do this

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<v Speaker 1>in LA all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>They put up billboards and it says sold out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh is that to get you to go to like

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<v Speaker 1>resale sites like I remember the first time I ever

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<v Speaker 1>saw that. It was on sunset. There was an out

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<v Speaker 1>like dou A Lipa. I was doing two nights somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>This was right when Dua Lipa was like hitting in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty like seventeen, and it was like dua lipa, two

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<v Speaker 1>shows sold out.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, what's the point of this billboard? Take

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<v Speaker 3>it down? Put up another artist?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's still pr and buzz and I because I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if like the people who own the Foura own

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<v Speaker 2>the billboard you know where.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right, it is pr and buzz. Though it

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<v Speaker 1>looks good to be sold out, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the only thing I thought of was like that

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<v Speaker 2>new casino that's advertising so much in La Ya Mohama

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Jamava.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared is always joking, what are you taking me to Yamava?

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<v Speaker 2>So for me, when it's like when their shows are

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<v Speaker 2>sold out, it's like, oh, well, who else is playing

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<v Speaker 2>at Yaha Mava?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, oh, I haven't been to the formant? Who else

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<v Speaker 2>is at the Fora? Or maybe like that too. But

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<v Speaker 2>the billboards do work on me. Now I have just

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<v Speaker 2>two examples, but I'm sucked in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I basically want to go to Yamava and start gambling.

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<v Speaker 2>At these I don't want to even know. I'm actually embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 2>I've lost too much money. A few months ago in

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas I really did. I did you still have one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars trip to Paris that you forgot to cash?

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<v Speaker 2>So never forget that. Put that in the plus column. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I went too hard. I went too hard, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say.

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<v Speaker 3>But I love gambling. Say love whatever sheike? Say love?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you gonna do?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>Money? Gampa? We are well should we?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's been some Bravo gossip going around, but

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<v Speaker 1>I know that we're in the time machine. This is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be so old by the time we get

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<v Speaker 1>to it.

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<v Speaker 3>But do we.

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<v Speaker 1>Think that this is the end for Ramona Singer? Do

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<v Speaker 1>we think Ramona is gone now?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, listen, I don't think she should have even

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<v Speaker 3>been on.

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<v Speaker 2>Legacy like she I thought that was crazy. She is

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<v Speaker 2>the reason the reboot happened. She is, But is it

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<v Speaker 2>a testament to the like how she is a star

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't know. But I guess a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>them need to be put on pause. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just she should have been done. She's a bad person.

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<v Speaker 2>We've celebrated her enough, We've had fun times.

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<v Speaker 3>It's done. She will never grow, she will never learn.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're giving the lifetime achievement a word to an

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<v Speaker 1>anti vaxer named Vicky Gumbelson. So I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>their deal is with who they take off and who

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<v Speaker 1>they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want to take anyone off. It's only public.

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<v Speaker 2>They knew about this, they knew this happened. Bravo does

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<v Speaker 2>not care. Bravo only does you know if they're pushed

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<v Speaker 2>against the wall. They straight up had an assault on

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<v Speaker 2>below Deck down Under this year and didn't have a

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<v Speaker 2>reunion because they didn't want to talk about it. Bravo

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<v Speaker 2>did not mention it once, like they don't want to.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want to, they're not interested.

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<v Speaker 3>So nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I've been like a long time sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like Ramona hater. I just like don't find her that

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<v Speaker 1>funny or good. I know she stirs up good drama

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever on their show, but she sucks so bad

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<v Speaker 1>to me, and she just seems like a moron. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of them, I don't know some

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<v Speaker 1>of the other ones are more on. The morons really

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<v Speaker 1>bother me Teresa Ramona, Like, I think they're dumb and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like to watch them.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you don't know what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, Ramona used a racial slur in a text to

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<v Speaker 1>a producer saying that I never said the racial slour

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<v Speaker 1>and then wrote the racial slur. But she has already

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<v Speaker 1>said it like anti Semitic stuff. She's already said racist

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<v Speaker 1>stuff on the show. And so this was I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the nail on the coffin for her.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's just a bad person because everyone can like

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<v Speaker 2>like she just there's never accountability with her, there's never understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>She's always I mean, what she did in the Berkshire

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<v Speaker 2>is even lying about having visions of her past abuse

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<v Speaker 2>to get on a private jet to party with Molly

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<v Speaker 2>Simms and the Hamptons like she knows no low. She

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<v Speaker 2>pulled up to Heather's house that trip and went is

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<v Speaker 2>this the house or the garage?

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<v Speaker 3>Like she's a that's not even the.

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<v Speaker 2>Hurtful show, Like that's just it's you know, the way

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<v Speaker 2>you do one thing is the way you do everything.

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<v Speaker 3>As Mama Trigger has taught us all.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's they're also really arbitrary with their

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<v Speaker 2>decisions with Bravo.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always what they.

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<v Speaker 2>Can get away if they don't have to kick someone off.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want to, you know what I mean, Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>did you watch the Newest celt Lake aka four weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys know Monica's mom is a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a couple of memes and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>uh oh, it's sitting on my DVR. Though, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>watch it, like as soon as we're done. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Text me right after, like the it is the mom

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<v Speaker 2>is bad. Anyone that took the mom's side at that

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<v Speaker 2>Easter thing, you you better be walking the back now.

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<v Speaker 3>She is bad? Should I da Monica about it? She

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<v Speaker 3>follows me.

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<v Speaker 1>We follow each other, yes, yes, why and hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry your mom sucks? Yo.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I gotta I gotta watch it. I could.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't like her from the last episode where she

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<v Speaker 1>was like trying to get screen time and like apologizing

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<v Speaker 1>for her daughter and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I hated that, but like, well, well it's classic narcissist stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>If I've learned anything from TikTok, where it's like you

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<v Speaker 2>want we know someone like this, but where you want

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<v Speaker 2>like strangers to like you over the people in your life,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're very like oh I'm so oh, I am

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<v Speaker 2>like polite to everyone, but the real people that know

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the real you because you don't care, like

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<v Speaker 2>they care so much about the perception.

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<v Speaker 3>That strangers have of them.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was like such a clear thing watching Monica

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<v Speaker 2>do that, or Monica's mom I apologize.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Monica's mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I okay, I just clicked on a tab on

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<v Speaker 1>my computer that I realize I have up as a

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<v Speaker 1>to read thing, which is the big quote unquote Bravo

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<v Speaker 1>reckoning any of this I did.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was so boring I stopped. I go, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care. I don't care. I want them to. Like

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<v Speaker 2>Danny Pellogrino was just on Watch What Happens Live and

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<v Speaker 2>he kept saying it like Andy would ask him for

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<v Speaker 2>opinions and he'd be like, I mean, it's horrible, but

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<v Speaker 2>I love it on my TV and I'm grateful to

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<v Speaker 2>have it, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it is, it's fucked entertainment.

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<v Speaker 2>All I'm watching is sex crimes and women fighting, like

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<v Speaker 2>that is my full existence.

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<v Speaker 1>But this article starts out with a housewife waking up

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<v Speaker 1>in her own pee from peeing the bed.

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<v Speaker 3>Who are they talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>It's in New York because they said the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>happened to them in Courtahana the year before. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's still this is a Mexico trip.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but they.

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<v Speaker 2>Won't reveal because they want to keep working. The line

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I still want to keep my dream nightmare

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<v Speaker 2>of a job.

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<v Speaker 3>Dream nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>And Leah, Leah McSweeney is suing Bravo. I just read yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate her.

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<v Speaker 2>She's in my top top least favorite housewife. She's a liar,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there is no way the producers ever forced her

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<v Speaker 2>to stay, and she even admitted that the producer said

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<v Speaker 2>you can leave, but his tone made it seem like

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<v Speaker 2>she couldn't. And it's like, no, you could have basically

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<v Speaker 2>what she claimed on the trip. The girl's trip to

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<v Speaker 2>Thailand was during a Hampton's trip on her season of

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<v Speaker 2>Real Houses of New York. Her grandmother was ill and

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<v Speaker 2>dying and that the producers made her film and wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>let her go home, and then her grandma died, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, there's no fucking way.

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<v Speaker 3>We've watched death on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>We know these women, and like we know the show

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<v Speaker 2>inside and out, there's no fucking way. The producers might

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<v Speaker 2>try to stir up trouble, but they can't, like they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna let you go home, They'll let you take care

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<v Speaker 2>of your family. They shut things down, like even Southern

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<v Speaker 2>charge like they are respectful of their personal lives.

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe I'm full like she admitted to lying. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>She's also she's getting disability, like she's trying to get disability,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's what it is, because she had, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in Thailand, she was sick, and Bravo was straight up said,

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<v Speaker 2>we make every accommodation for our housewife, and she is

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<v Speaker 2>the most accommodating one that we have to deal with. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just fucks for me to side with a giant

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<v Speaker 2>company that I know, I'm sure does shady shit and

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<v Speaker 2>gets people wasted and keeps them hung or whatever. But like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't. I really am not a Liah McSweeney

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<v Speaker 2>fan at all. She was bad for the franchise. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't want you on TV. We don't want you on

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<v Speaker 2>the shows. It's not Bravo, it's not a lawsuit. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't like you. That's why you're not on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>The fans don't like it from the beginning because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand how she has a fucking brand called married

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<v Speaker 1>to the Mob when she has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the mafia. She's not Italian like I just think the

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<v Speaker 1>whole her whole brand is built on nothing, a bullshit

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<v Speaker 1>and it's its leisure.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just a fraud. I am not interesting and not fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And she had one little catchphrase and people loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember what it was? It was like I

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<v Speaker 2>elevate this or something. People love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I elevate this shit. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>People like really clung to it in a way where

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what clip, That's what I love?

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<v Speaker 3>A clip forever? Baby, make it nice whip.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, Well, I gotta go because I have

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<v Speaker 1>to read this fucking twelve million word article. Like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>literally scrolling the whole time. I'm talking right now, just

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<v Speaker 1>scrolling fast and it's still going. This is the longest

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<v Speaker 1>article of all time. But one quick Remianity fair, baby,

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<v Speaker 1>it's vanity fair. Nothing can be less than twelve thousand words,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, One quick reminder. Go to Thats Messed Up

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<v Speaker 1>live dot com to see where we are performing for

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<v Speaker 1>the remainder of the year. We've got Sacramento on December thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>New York. On December sixteenth, there's a six o'clock show

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a nine o'clock show. The nine o'clock show

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<v Speaker 1>was just added, so grab tickets to that.

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<v Speaker 3>Come to both shows. We're doing different.

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<v Speaker 1>Episodes, and then Philly on the seventeenth, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be in Seattle on the seventh of January for the Wet.

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<v Speaker 3>City Comedy Festival. So yeah, that's messed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Live dot com has all the ticket links for those

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<v Speaker 1>and that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to get started. I would love that. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Today we are doing Manhattan Vigil season fourteen, episode five.

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<v Speaker 3>The episode came out in twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>The timecode of this episode it says nineteen eighty nine

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<v Speaker 2>and Waiting by Nora Jones is playing. So we have

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<v Speaker 2>a music montage intro. We've gotten a few of those

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<v Speaker 2>in the SVU history. A poster is being hung up

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<v Speaker 2>of a missing boy Hector Rodriguez and a uniform cop

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<v Speaker 2>aka Alex Kropowski aka Ray from Girls, and the mom

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<v Speaker 2>is Tina from The Bear Holy shit, and she has

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<v Speaker 2>a tear in her eye and she's frantically hanging posters

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<v Speaker 2>of her missing son. Now it's two thousand and there

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<v Speaker 2>are stuffed animals, flowers, candles in front of a giant

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<v Speaker 2>mural for Hector and his mom is still there suffering.

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<v Speaker 2>Two thousand and six, the mural is still up and

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<v Speaker 2>we see a young couple with a stroller walk by.

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<v Speaker 2>Two thousand and nine, the mural is still up and

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<v Speaker 2>we see a boy on a scooter with his young

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<v Speaker 2>parents walking behind him. The couple does not like each other,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can tell even from a music montage.

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<v Speaker 3>Quick walk.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's twenty twelve, the year the episode came out,

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<v Speaker 2>and we see this couple again. The dad is in

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<v Speaker 2>a baseball cap with a glove and he's rushing to

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<v Speaker 2>pick up his son and chatting on the phone constantly,

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<v Speaker 2>just like and I'm running late. The mural of Hector

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<v Speaker 2>is still there. So then the woman from the couple

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't like each other that's connected to the Yankee boy,

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<v Speaker 2>she opens the door and starts screaming at him immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>You see your son one day a week, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can't be on time, which is a great point. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sorry if it's once a week, like you said it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love this actress. She's actually one of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite s few episodes from season two called Parasite. The

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<v Speaker 2>boy is happy to see his dad and thinks he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna catch, you know, a ball. They're very excited, and

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<v Speaker 2>so many people keep calling the dad and I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>what his job is that it's NonStop calls on a Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>like to the gate, like, I'm just very curious. They

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<v Speaker 2>rush out and the dad is still scrolling his phone

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<v Speaker 2>while walking holding his son's hand, and the sun is

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<v Speaker 2>such a little cutie. And this is what I realize.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all the gear, says New York. It's not Yankees,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not Mets. It all says New York, and all

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<v Speaker 2>the people on the train as well.

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<v Speaker 3>It is not a specific team.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just love that even Dick Wolf couldn't clear

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<v Speaker 2>the Yankees, Like yeah, oh fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you recognize the guy playing the dad? No? I

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<v Speaker 3>looked him up.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he's he's working, but he didn't mean anything

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 3>No, He's like he's a theatery guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I saw him in Shakespeare in the Park the

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<v Speaker 1>one time I went to Shakespeare in the Park. He

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<v Speaker 1>was in it with Jesse Tyler Ferguson from Modern Family.

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<v Speaker 1>But I forgot what they were in. It was what

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<v Speaker 1>did we see?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, do you get tickets for that or

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<v Speaker 2>is it like people line up or what is it

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<v Speaker 2>you have.

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<v Speaker 1>To wake up so early to get like a ticket

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<v Speaker 1>for it? Like we were in line at six am

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<v Speaker 1>in Central Park.

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<v Speaker 3>It was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was like, I think it was a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years before I moved, and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta do this while I still like, can.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, so what do you do? Like at six am?

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<v Speaker 2>You run to the park.

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<v Speaker 1>You go to the park and you go to like

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<v Speaker 1>the area where they do the Shakespeare and there's like

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<v Speaker 1>a line that people bring like lawn chairs and shit,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody's just sitting there waiting to like get and

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<v Speaker 1>then you get a ticket or or a number. You

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<v Speaker 1>get something, and then you come back and get you

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<v Speaker 1>get in.

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<v Speaker 3>So every day they release the tickets for the.

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<v Speaker 1>Night of I think that's how it was when I went, wowah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's cool. But yeah he did like what oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm trying to like look up. He's done a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Shakespeare, this guy. And I saw like not

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<v Speaker 1>Twelfth Night, but one of those ones where it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a big farce with like dressing and people are like

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knows who the other person is that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>saw him in Hamish link later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, well you know now that you say the name.

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<v Speaker 2>I did see his name and I was like, are

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<v Speaker 2>you a nepo?

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<v Speaker 3>But he's not. He's not. Okay, so their walk he's

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<v Speaker 3>he's married to Lily Robb, who's that. I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>She's you know her if you saw she's in all

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<v Speaker 1>the American horror stories or she was. She kind of

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<v Speaker 1>has like a Stevie She was like the Stevie nicks

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<v Speaker 1>Witch vibe in the coven one. Yeah, I think she's

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<v Speaker 1>been in an SVU. Also, all right, we did go

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<v Speaker 1>down on IMDb like fever Dream.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to know how to do Shakespeare in the

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<v Speaker 2>Park very you know, with every detail. And we are back. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we are back. The New York sports ball team is

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<v Speaker 2>about to play. Yeah, but if you are one of

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<v Speaker 2>the listeners who don't like asides, good luck, okorry about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So the little cute they're walking with all these fans

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<v Speaker 2>and he turns to his son and goes, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to treat even though the mom did say please limit

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<v Speaker 2>his junk food. He's been getting a lot of stomach aches.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know he decides to go get a little treat.

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<v Speaker 2>So now they're on the one hundred and tenth Street

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<v Speaker 2>B train stop and there's a pickpocket type person doing

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<v Speaker 2>a little trick on the dad and so he drops

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<v Speaker 2>the money, spins him around, and as the dad bends

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<v Speaker 2>down to pick up the cash, the man grabs the

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<v Speaker 2>sun wyat and pushes him onto the train and the

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<v Speaker 2>doors close.

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<v Speaker 3>Holy shit, the dad nightmare.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I literally have been babysitting kids where I've taken them

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<v Speaker 1>on the subway and I'm like, what would happen if

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<v Speaker 1>the door's closed, Like, you know, it's so scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you seen there's a video on the internet that's

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<v Speaker 2>circulated where like a mom something was happening and she

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<v Speaker 2>accidentally left the stroller on the train, but then the

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<v Speaker 2>camera's on the next train stop. It's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a drunk guy, but he took the stroller out and

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<v Speaker 2>was just like hanging out with the kid till the

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<v Speaker 2>mom came. And then the mom came and like hugged

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<v Speaker 2>him and it was and it was all caught on

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<v Speaker 2>the security cameras.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to see that video to cleanse my

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<v Speaker 1>palate from watching this scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I help you. I mean I once helped like

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<v Speaker 2>a passed out guy on the train. It's everything is dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't trust anybody, but also be a helpful citizen. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So the dad's obviously flipping out.

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<v Speaker 3>He's screaming, there's nothing he can do.

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<v Speaker 2>He starts running, trying to push at the door, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he opens the door that says sound for emergencies,

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<v Speaker 2>which we know is a blatant lie, like everyone uses

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<v Speaker 2>those doors all the time. Nothing will ring at all,

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<v Speaker 2>but the alarm is blaring. He runs up the stairs.

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<v Speaker 2>He's on the phone with nine one one. He's screaming, help, help,

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<v Speaker 2>my son has been taken. Benson and Tomorrow are meeting

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<v Speaker 2>Kragan on the scene and there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>like white shirts going on.

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Benson asked, Cragan's like seven year old Wyatt Morris snatched

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<v Speaker 2>from father the transit like everyone, all the trains are stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's en route to the game, and it's like, well

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<v Speaker 2>who is this kid? And the father is David Morris

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<v Speaker 2>of the Morris brother's real estate family, and Benson goes,

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<v Speaker 2>holy shit, they on the whole West side and he

0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.920
<v Speaker 2>ransom demands not yet Benson looks around and it's like, whoa,

0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:16.840
<v Speaker 2>this neighborhood has changed, and then she stops and stares

0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.280
<v Speaker 2>and it's a flashback to young Benson and she's looking

0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.480
<v Speaker 2>up at Hector's mom and holding in the flyer in

0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.439
<v Speaker 2>her hand, and Craigan calls her out of her little trance.

0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:26.080
<v Speaker 3>She says, it's the same neighborhood.

0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.520
<v Speaker 2>A missing boy in nineteen eighty nine, Hector Ramirez, a

0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Dominica kid, and Craigan goes, oh, yeah, yeah, the custody case.

0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.000
<v Speaker 3>The dad took him back to the dr.

0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Benson turns around and goes, we don't know that the

0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.680
<v Speaker 2>mother never saw her son again, and she gets a

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:44.200
<v Speaker 2>little emotional, and Amaro says, well, this kid's missing now,

0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:47.760
<v Speaker 2>but what if they're connected? But they are blowing her

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.320
<v Speaker 2>off and we are on the credits and it just

0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:53.160
<v Speaker 2>hit me how long we talked about actors. Okay, we're

0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:56.440
<v Speaker 2>back on the streets and rollins and Finn joined the team.

0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:58.680
<v Speaker 2>The trains are stopped and there's no sign of the boy.

0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Finn goes, oh, if people don't make this game, there's

0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:02.399
<v Speaker 2>gonna be a riot, and Craigan goes, I don't give

0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 2>a shit. There's a kid on the train. Okay, well

0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.720
<v Speaker 2>they're hoping. I mean, best case scenario, the kid's still

0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:10.879
<v Speaker 2>on the train. They search every car, talk to every passenger.

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Omorro says, the dad wants to go uptown and help

0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:15.159
<v Speaker 2>the search, and Craigan's like, absolutely not. And then he

0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:17.399
<v Speaker 2>looks at Tomorrow and Benson and goes and whatever's happening.

0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:21.159
<v Speaker 2>But between the two of you get over it. Do

0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:22.440
<v Speaker 2>you remember how to say?

0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:24.239
<v Speaker 3>They were like, hold on, let me let me find it.

0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Hold on one second, because I kept trying to search

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:27.199
<v Speaker 2>and I couldn't figure it out.

0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:28.919
<v Speaker 3>And this is really close to after.

0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:33.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, the huge the Dhalia case, you know with

0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:36.719
<v Speaker 2>the Cragan being framed and then the second workers.

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:39.400
<v Speaker 3>So but I didn't know what was happening.

0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean the episode right before this is called acceptable Loss.

0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:47.640
<v Speaker 1>And it sounds like Benson kind of like gets creative

0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:50.600
<v Speaker 1>with an investigation. I do remember there being a time

0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:55.480
<v Speaker 1>where Benson and Amorrow like fought and were like mad

0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 1>at each other. And I think it was during all

0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:01.640
<v Speaker 1>the Carrisa stuff. Yeah, the curry, Yeah, I think that's

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:04.679
<v Speaker 1>what it is. It's like she thought he thought she

0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:08.040
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like backing him, and she's like, Tomorrow, you like

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:11.280
<v Speaker 1>met with this girl, like no one saw you. Now

0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.159
<v Speaker 1>she's saying you tried to hook up with her. You know,

0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:15.320
<v Speaker 1>I think he's pissed at her for like not backing him.

0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 2>But before anything else, we hear a guttural scream, David, David,

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:22.440
<v Speaker 2>where's Wyatt? The mom is running up at the dad.

0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.680
<v Speaker 2>The detectives split them up. She's screaming, what did you do?

0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:29.600
<v Speaker 2>What happened? The dad is so defensive with Amorrow. It

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:33.440
<v Speaker 2>could have easily happened to her, too good one. It didn't,

0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:35.359
<v Speaker 2>And I could tell you're a rich kid because you

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:39.920
<v Speaker 2>can't take fucking responsibility for anything, always blaming someone else.

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Tomorrow is like, describe the dude, white black age. He says,

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:48.439
<v Speaker 2>white forties, cap glasses. I'm bad with faces. Benson is

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:50.640
<v Speaker 2>with the mom and she's like, he sees his son

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 2>on Sundays. He was supposed to be there at nine,

0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 2>he was two hours late. Benson is like, so he

0:24:57.640 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 2>only sees his son once a week? Does that make

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.160
<v Speaker 2>him upset? And she goes, oh, he's always upset. Everything

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:06.280
<v Speaker 2>to him is a negotiation. Benson's like, Okay, your ex

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 2>is very wealthy. Have you noticed anyone suspicious, anyone trying

0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 2>to talk to you or why? She goes, no, Oh

0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:13.159
<v Speaker 2>my god, what if this is If this is a ransom,

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:15.600
<v Speaker 2>we'll pay, We'll pay. And then it hits the mom

0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 2>what is actually happening? She starts gasping. She collapses. She

0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:23.200
<v Speaker 2>clings onto Olivia and cries into her shoulders. My note

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 2>says soldiers.

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 3>But I did say shoulders.

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:29.919
<v Speaker 2>Munch is in a suit that for sure looks like

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 2>he's going to a bot mitzvah. It is wild. Like

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 2>I know, women have a lot of unfair things. You know,

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 2>you gotta shave your legs, you can't have a unibra whatever.

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 2>But wearing a suit seems like it sucks. I would

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:46.359
<v Speaker 2>hate it. In the summer, you have to wear a tie,

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.480
<v Speaker 2>a shirt and a jacket a layer. I just like

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 2>seeks to me or disgusting. Okay, so you know we're

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:57.440
<v Speaker 2>doing flyers, flyers, flyers. TARU can't track the kid's phone.

0:25:57.560 --> 0:25:59.919
<v Speaker 2>Rollins comes in. Every witness saw a different type of

0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.680
<v Speaker 2>someone's like, oh, black man, white woman. So we can't

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:05.640
<v Speaker 2>trust anyone. But it is all hands on deck. There's

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:08.440
<v Speaker 2>no video from the station and then there's a comment like, well,

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:10.679
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, we don't give people up their nice things

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>and that it's like, oh no, the neighborhood's actually really changed.

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 3>It's it's not.

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:18.520
<v Speaker 2>A war zone anymore, and it was when Hexter was missing,

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:21.120
<v Speaker 2>and Rollins actually looks shocked that they would even live

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 2>up there.

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:25.160
<v Speaker 3>But also, Morningside is such a nice neighborhood.

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:27.960
<v Speaker 2>But I obviously moved to New York during this time,

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:31.720
<v Speaker 2>not before. But it's by Columbia and stuff. It is

0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:36.440
<v Speaker 2>really yeah, beautiful. But also they explain that they live

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 2>there because his family owns the building and he doesn't

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 2>actually live there. His ex wife is living there and

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:44.640
<v Speaker 2>they own half the block. They're in court every three

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.679
<v Speaker 2>months with custody stuff. So we get a wild Benson

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 2>theory that maybe David got tired of paying for two

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 2>sets of legal fees and kidnaps his own son.

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 3>Amaro says, you know she does.

0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:57.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, the mom's trying to make him look bad,

0:26:57.400 --> 0:26:59.399
<v Speaker 2>and Benson goes, oh yeah, she talks shit on him

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:01.919
<v Speaker 2>the moment, like she got there, you know, why are

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 2>you two hours late? But also two hours is a lot,

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:07.520
<v Speaker 2>And then they say at eleven and then rollins, it clicks,

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:08.240
<v Speaker 2>goes eleven.

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 3>The train didn't leave until twelve fifteen.

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Craigan asks tomorrow if the dad says they stopped anymore,

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Amorro says no, even though he asked him about it.

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:20.679
<v Speaker 2>So now daddy boy is here at the precinct and

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:22.840
<v Speaker 2>he didn't say anything because he didn't think it mattered

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 2>that they went to a pastry shop. And he's like, oh,

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 2>you didn't want your wife to know he was having sweets.

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, listen, I just wanted my son to

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 2>have a special day. The divorce has been really hard

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 2>on him. And Benson goes, can anyone confirm it? He goes, yes,

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 2>the hostess. I've been seeing her. Ah, your son is

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 2>missing and you're worried if your ex wife finds out

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 2>you're fucking a hostess. It's like truly despicable behavior, like

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:55.119
<v Speaker 2>the narcissism popping through. You can't even like stop to

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 2>care about your son over your own needs. It's really

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:03.160
<v Speaker 2>really sickening to me. She also used to babysit for Wyatt,

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 2>so he's been fucking the babysitter. So we get the

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 2>full picture of what's going on here and now we're

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 2>headed to my dear lady Anne Bakery. There's a hop

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.199
<v Speaker 2>blonde who's denying seeing him, and Rollins is like, honey,

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 2>we know you're involved, and David's like, stop this. She

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 2>asked the Floory knows, and Finn Is like, that's on

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 2>you or we don't care. Now, can we be serious?

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:27.159
<v Speaker 2>There's a missing boy and also they're divorced. You can

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 2>fuck anyone, like, it's fine. They were eating muffins and

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 2>had skim milk and they're like any guy with baseball hats.

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 2>She goes, yeah, all of them, dud. It's the playoffs.

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 2>Finn Is like, okay, but are there were there any losers?

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 2>A singleton, a lone man? Was there not a psycho?

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, actually, I do remember a singleton And

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 2>so he ordered a tea and a glass, got up

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 2>when they did and left two dollars. So we have

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 2>some footage from a nearby boutique. It's not really enough

0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 2>for even their fake technology, so.

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 3>That's pretty wild. Can't enhance it even.

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 2>But it's a maroon hat and sunglasses and it kind

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 2>of looks like Sandoval if you ask me. But we're

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 2>in the thinking room and Kragan's doing what he does best,

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 2>questions and assignments anything from traffic cams are ATMs, still checking.

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Munch is like, fuck this three hours, no ransom, this

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 2>is a predator.

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Are you getting deja vu?

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:24.479
<v Speaker 2>He asks live and Finn goes, not this again, and

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Benson's annoyed. It's like, it's the same neighborhood. Hector's on

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.400
<v Speaker 2>a bus. Why it's on a subway. Craigan's like, it's

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 2>two different worlds, different families, and Munch is like, exactly,

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 2>we had about one tenth of the resources for Hector.

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Amara leans in and goes, wait a bus. Benson goes yeah,

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 2>and then a witness saw him with his hair blonde.

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Craigan gets serious. Yeah, so the dad can seek him

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>out of the country. Case closed, and his bald head

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 2>looks extra smooth in this episode, it is really wild,

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 2>like really like squishy and smooth. So Benson and Tomorrow

0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 2>go talk to divorced parents. The dad doesn't recognize the dude.

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 2>The mom is pissed. She took him to the bakery

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 2>he had breakfast. Why would you do that? You know?

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 2>And they go okay, so someone knows your routine. Who

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 2>was following you what's going on. She says, no, she

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 2>hasn't noticed, and the only time she's not with him

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 2>is during school and Sundays. And the dad's like, yeah,

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see anything, and the mom starts to y out,

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 2>of course, you didn't see anything. You're a fucking clueless

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Everyone hates you here, everyone on the block with all

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 2>this construction and condos. He's like, no, they don't Amaro prize.

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, what do you mean. She goes When

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 2>he goes to those community board meetings, the whole room

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 2>wants to kill him. He's like, oh, come on, it's

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 2>morning side Heights. These people need to get out of

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 2>the sixties. Omar I was like, David, look again, have

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 2>you ever seen this guy at one of those meetings?

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 2>He goes, No, I don't see anyone at those meetings.

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 2>I tuned them out. So Benson asks, you tune out

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 2>a room full of people who accuse you of pricing

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 2>them out of their own homes. He says, if he

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 2>lets them control the agenda, nothing gets built, okay, and

0:30:57.840 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 2>it would still be a slum if it wasn't for

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>me and my rich daddy. Amorrow gets a call, he

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 2>turns and asks for live. The mom is panicked, what what,

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 2>and we cut to a bodega or owner pissed because

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 2>he's losing business. Munch and Rollins are like, dude, a

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 2>couple said they saw the boy here, So did you

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 2>see him?

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 3>He's like, yeah, yeah, lots of kids come here. I

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 3>can't place him.

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>And he's still like so sorry about the like Matt

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 2>about the business, and Finn walks in and is like,

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 2>well you better think harder because we just found the

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 2>boy's self on outside in your dumpster. So now Munch

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 2>is a little angrier, want to try again, And then

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 2>he goes, oh, yeah, I remember him.

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 3>And this is the thing is, it's so hard to

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 3>just help people find a kid.

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, so I you know, I thought about it a

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>little bit. So one, it's like, one, just help, they'll

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 2>open your store faster. Yeah, But two, you know, he

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 2>seems like an immigrant and a lot of cultures don't

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 2>really trust the cops, right, get that, and they don't

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 2>want to get involved, and they don't want to get

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:55.560
<v Speaker 2>killed by a mob or something like you know, you

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know what's going on. So in that sense, I understand,

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 2>but it is a kid like yeah, no, so he

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 2>starts spilling though he has all this right on the

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 2>tip of his tongue. The man had classes and a

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 2>cap and black hair. They show him the pick. He goes,

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 2>I can't tell, but I remember the son because he

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 2>acted up. So he got bought a candy and some

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 2>hair dye blonde Cragan cough cough. Now he's really gonna

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 2>be mad because they're like, call in, backup, we need

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 2>you at the station.

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 3>So he's pissed.

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 2>So he needs to call in you know, someone that's

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 2>gonna work the desk, the snacks and he's gonna go

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 2>talk to a sketch artist. Rollin's and Munch are like,

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 2>uh oh, copy cap blonde haired eye was never released

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 2>to the press. Finn Is like, don't make me say

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I told you so. And now we're back at the

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 2>office and Munch is looking through a box labeled Hector

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Rodriguez flashed back to season one Monch and he's really

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 2>like feeling this case, and Craigan's like, you're still here,

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 2>and he snacks back to reality and is like, I

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 2>never left, and again, all hands on deck.

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 3>This is a huge case. This is a rich white boy.

0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 2>And this is not in line with the ethics of

0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 2>our podcast, but a whole. Benson's rack looks insane in

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 2>this white shirt, Craigan is still not ready to start

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>chasing ghosts quite yet and is like, dude, come on,

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 2>the blonde eye isn't enough for you, Like, get out

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 2>the Ouiji board and let's get the ghosts going. Security

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 2>footage of old tunnels underneath Columbia University got a hit.

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 2>There's a sighting of them and the boy is blonde

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 2>and the man is dragging him. So the Columbia tunnels

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 2>are the last sighting. No leads from the tip line

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 2>or other burrows or the FBI what is going on?

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 3>And Munch is like, we're going back in time. Bitch,

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't care.

0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 2>And he starts pushpinning into a corkboard and then it

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 2>goes back to season one. Benson pushpinning into the corkboard

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 2>and I said, how did they do this? And I

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 2>found out I saw you did. Yeah, okay, So I

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 2>looked it up and it's an IMDb trivia, so we

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 2>hope it's credible.

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, we find mistakes in there all the time.

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 2>The director, who did we say where You're like, oh

0:33:56.800 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 2>my god, your granddaughter's amazing, and she was like, I'm

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 2>not reallyd to that woman. It was Amanda Plumber.

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>No, it was when we were talking to Michael Learned.

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>We were like, we heard that your goddaughters, Amanda Plummer.

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>She's like, why does everybody keep saying that? It's not true?

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 1>So that was funny.

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 2>So the director of the episode, Jean Dee Susan's it

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 2>seems French. I'm not saying it Signawzac gets away cigon Zac.

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:28.760
<v Speaker 2>But I feel like there's gotta be a missing continent. Constant,

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 2>there's a missing continent. It stuck in his last name.

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.919
<v Speaker 2>Where have all the polar Bears gone? Okay, we talked

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 2>about polar bears, didn't we? Or was I with another friend?

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Like me, if it's brown, laid down, if it's black,

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:46.280
<v Speaker 2>fight back, if it's white, you're like, you're.

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 3>Dead on site?

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, because I think you can like try to

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 2>get away from the other bears. But if a polar

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 2>bear knows you're there, like they will hunt and stalk.

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:56.400
<v Speaker 3>You till you are dead.

0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, And if you already see one, that means

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>they've known you've been there forever for a while. And

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.439
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that because they are the prettiest.

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 1>But I always think of the ones at the at

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 1>the Central Park Zoo that look depressed. They're always just

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:14.959
<v Speaker 1>like lying there because they can't tear any people apart

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 1>and people are just super surrounding them.

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I didn't know that. But yeah, I like

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Bear TikTok has entered the chat okay talk and what

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 2>about cocaine? Bear definitely run oh.

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, or work through or give it some coke? Okay.

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 3>So Jean D.

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Sag and Zach I'll just say it as Midwest as possible.

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 2>He didn't want to use makeup and clothing and instead

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 2>used an experimental technique. But I wonder if it's still

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 2>experimental or if they use it or whatever. But it

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 2>merges the episode scenes with footage from the show's first

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.799
<v Speaker 2>season to make it seem like it's a flashback that

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 2>never occurred. But isn't that just special effects and mixing

0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 2>the scenes.

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was noticing like one because I saw something

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 1>in the wiki, in like the fandom wiki about how

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 1>about like where some of these scenes came from, and

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 1>like the one of liv like pushing a thing up

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 1>onto a board. She does do that in another episode,

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 1>So it's like he uses the footage of that, but

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>you never actually see live and her face with that flyer.

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 1>You just see her tack something up and then the

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:23.919
<v Speaker 1>camera goes to the flyer. So I feel like they're

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe using little tricks.

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Like that, definite tricks.

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 2>But you know, it was experimental when this came out,

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 2>and I wonder if this is like not experimental at all,

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 2>or it's already outdated, or like what it even is.

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:38.839
<v Speaker 2>We're just so advanced technologically. But the scene you're talking about,

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:42.439
<v Speaker 2>it's from the episode Bad Blood, and that's the one

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 2>where it's like these brother the brother is a building

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 2>manager and you know he's raping his brother. And then

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Munch is from episode twenty one of season one called

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Nocturn Nocturn Ah. Yeah, so that's the ones they use,

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 2>and it is cool. I mean it is cool. I

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 2>really enjoyed the little trick that he did. And this

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 2>episode was the three hundredth episode ooh that we're watching. Okay,

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 2>so the technology is cool. They go back and forth.

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Well because not you know, when I was in Nope

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:15.879
<v Speaker 2>and got kicked by a horse, you know, I didn't

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 2>actually get kicked by a horse. But he immediately was

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 2>able to show me how the two scenes melded together,

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 2>like they filmed the horse and then they filmed me,

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 2>and then before I left, Jordan Peele was like, look

0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 2>at this, and on a little monitor he showed me

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 2>the footage of the horse kicking me like that quickly

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 2>they were able to put it together. So I'm wondering,

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:40.760
<v Speaker 2>if it's the same technology, if there's any filmmakers, let

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 2>us know.

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 2>So then Craigan still won't admit he could be wrong,

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 2>and Benson's like, come on, dog, like what the fuck?

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 2>And they start talking over Craigan, and they decide to

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:56.919
<v Speaker 2>like push with Hector and they don't give a fuck

0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 2>about him. Also, Craigan makes Tomorrow go with Benson, not Munch,

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:03.400
<v Speaker 2>even though she wanted to go with Munch, and but

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 2>he makes Munch go through paperwork, so now maybe they'll

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 2>get to the bottom of the rift. Basically, they're walking

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:11.400
<v Speaker 2>down the streets of New York and he's like, listen, Obviously,

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Captain wants us to partner up again and be like

0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 2>the way it was, and they agree to be down

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.240
<v Speaker 2>and work together, and then they walk past the mirror.

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:20.799
<v Speaker 2>So then Benson says how she never thought that the

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 2>father took Hector, but she was a newbie back then

0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 2>and she kind of let herself get stampeded. And Hector's

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 2>mom never moved because she thinks that Hector might come home.

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 2>So they go up to her apartment and she makes

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 2>them read out loud to Bio that he wrote for school.

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:37.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming, but she wanted to remind Benson who Hector

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:39.439
<v Speaker 2>was and that he was a really good boy.

0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 3>He liked t ball, he had asthma, and he loved chess.

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Amaro starts talking about the custody dispute and basically he

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 2>wanted to raise him in a Pentecostal church and her

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:49.240
<v Speaker 2>family was Catholic.

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, my husband was raised in the Pentecostal church,

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:55.799
<v Speaker 1>and I would have taken my son, my children to

0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 1>another country.

0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 3>And if he told me I had to do that.

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 3>But isn't this Did you guys not talk about it before?

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:04.919
<v Speaker 3>That's what I was thinking, the exact same thing.

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you guys just didn't ever mention how

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>you'd want to raise kids. But I guess people get

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:14.440
<v Speaker 1>pregnant too without really having those combos.

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the church argument broke them up, but he

0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't take Hector. Amaro's like, you're in touch with him?

0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:25.399
<v Speaker 2>She goes, well, his family and he doesn't have my son.

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Somebody else does. Her voice raises and she gets mad

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:30.879
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, this is about the missing rich boy

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 2>that's been all over the news. He was the same

0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 2>age as Hector. Amaro's like, do you recognize this man?

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Shows the bad blurry photo and she's like, did he

0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 2>take Hector? And when they say I don't know, she goes,

0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 2>fuck you JK. But she's passed and she's just like,

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 2>did you just come here to torture me? People write

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 2>to her, she says, Psychics call out to her with info,

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.360
<v Speaker 2>People reach out He's out there somewhere.

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 3>She said that.

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.319
<v Speaker 2>She throws out all the letters and everything. People reach

0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:59.240
<v Speaker 2>out to her, except one letter that she sent to Benson,

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 2>and Ben like, wait what, I didn't get a letter

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 2>from you? What are you talking about? She goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 2>you're right. The guy told me to actually write it

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:08.840
<v Speaker 2>to a cold case. And they're like, who told you that?

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:12.759
<v Speaker 2>And she goes, well, a cop, she says wrote to her.

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 2>He didn't sign his name, but he said to keep

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.440
<v Speaker 2>pressuring his bosses about Hector or it would happen again,

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 2>And she got it on his thirteenth birthday. So but

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:25.240
<v Speaker 2>cold case gave up, just like you did, she said.

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.840
<v Speaker 2>She walks to the window to look out it. We

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 2>cut to another office. We go with the boys tomorrow,

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 2>munch out for business. A woman's like, oh s view,

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I would love to move over to your unit live

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 2>bodies for a change. And they compare how their different

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 2>jobs haunt them. She walks into a room of boxes

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 2>and opens one and takes out a little evidence bag

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:47.320
<v Speaker 2>and it is the letter, and the letter says, stay

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 2>on them, Dolores, NYPD should go to bed every night

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 2>with the cries of your missing child in their ears,

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:58.040
<v Speaker 2>lest more flames burn the innocent. The Prince traced back

0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:01.160
<v Speaker 2>to an auxiliary cop who said he was off his meds,

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 2>and an auxiliary caught me and someone that's a volunteer

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 2>police reserve and assistant Civil Guards, part time reserves and

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.760
<v Speaker 2>munch out loud, goes Steve Lomitin. He was on Hector's

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:16.439
<v Speaker 2>search team. He's a bedbug. That's not good.

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 3>Pretty harsh, harsh, harsh for a.

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 1>New Yorker to call someone a bed bug, like, you're

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:23.839
<v Speaker 1>the worst thing imaginable.

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 3>Way.

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen the TikTok where it's like people are

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 2>pretending to be the French bedbugs?

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 3>They're just that little berets.

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I always I feel like I once you

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:41.919
<v Speaker 2>did the impression. I thought of the musen X guy

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 2>and like, how funny that this little booger became so

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:46.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of beloved.

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the Nason X bee Antonio Banderas.

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.839
<v Speaker 3>I don't know about the bee. Oh remember the bee.

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 3>You'd be like I returned my flower a changed bee.

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:59.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh I did not know that. But now I'm thinking bad.

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm thinking about the Geico Cavemen, and we have

0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 2>to put a stop to my brain.

0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:06.239
<v Speaker 3>Could he? Do you remember they got a TV show?

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Insane, truly insane, Like I could not believe that the

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Guico cave Men got a TV show, and yet Flow

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:14.920
<v Speaker 1>does not get a TV show.

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 3>I'd rather watch a TV show with Flow and her

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:19.280
<v Speaker 3>weird family. Yeah.

0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 2>I hope Flows Flows live in the dream Flows people

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:24.280
<v Speaker 2>are like, but she can't be in other things.

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 3>I go.

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.720
<v Speaker 2>I'd take fifteen million to never act again. I really would.

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:28.799
<v Speaker 2>I really would.

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.320
<v Speaker 3>People dresses her for Halloween she's famous forever.

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:34.479
<v Speaker 2>But then Tomorrow asks about the bedbug. Omarro's like, wait,

0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:36.279
<v Speaker 2>so could he have done it? Much goes, oh, no,

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 2>he's a real Boo Radley doesn't have him in it,

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have him have it in him.

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:43.799
<v Speaker 3>But where is he now? So they head to Morningside Park.

0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Rollins approach him, and there's a bustling scene,

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 2>so many cops people and this auxiliary cop aka Ray Pashanski.

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:54.439
<v Speaker 2>That's his character name from Girls, which is hard because

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 2>it's Alex Kerpowski and it's just too many Eastern European

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:02.839
<v Speaker 2>names to keep. And so he found a cap that

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 2>looked like Wyatt's and Rollin's is like, wow, nice catch,

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 2>and she does a little light flirt. Because he is

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Boo Radley's, she doesn't really have to lay it on thick,

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:12.799
<v Speaker 2>you know. She laid it on more thick to like

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 2>the little children's sociopaths we've met, I feel like than

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:19.240
<v Speaker 2>this guy. So he loves the flirting. So they decide

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:21.880
<v Speaker 2>to go to the precinct. He's been an auxiliary for

0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years in Morningside, even though he lives in Brooklyn

0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:29.880
<v Speaker 2>and as a security guard at the mall who Craigan

0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 2>is bleak, This is bleak. Craigan is like, oh, come on,

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 2>he's just likes the neighborhood and like it's not a

0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:38.799
<v Speaker 2>big deal. And I don't understand why Craigan is so

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 2>off this episode, Like did he relapse? I don't get it,

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.640
<v Speaker 2>or is he still shaken from you know, the Dahlia

0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:48.320
<v Speaker 2>situation or Delia.

0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he's he's Yeah, he was literally in jail,

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:54.880
<v Speaker 1>so maybe he's still not got his groove back. But

0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 1>it is wild for someone to go from Brooklyn to

0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Morningside Heights to be like a volunteer cop. It's an

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 1>hour and a half probably each way. Yeah, and he

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:06.479
<v Speaker 1>has a full time job.

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 2>So Munch is like, are you kidding me? Craigan, he

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:11.920
<v Speaker 2>sent the letter and now he found the hat tonight.

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding me? This is fucking shady And we

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 2>don't even know if it's Wyat's And they're checking the

0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:19.720
<v Speaker 2>hair strands to check what's up, and then Rollin interrupts

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:22.160
<v Speaker 2>with a clip from the news when Hector disappeared and

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Steve Lomititon is on the news and he first discovered

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:29.160
<v Speaker 2>the missing boy's lunchbox and he was very emotional about it,

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 2>and Munch goes, yeah, what are the odds He found

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Hector's lunchbox and then Wyatt's hat, and Benson's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:37.879
<v Speaker 2>that's a huge secret, like if he did do it,

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.920
<v Speaker 2>like he's really been able to stay under the radar

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:43.359
<v Speaker 2>for a long time. And Munch met him back then

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 2>and was and the ray Pashansky was like pissed that

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Munch wasn't treating him like a brother officer, and so

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Craigan goes, go do it again. So Munch is pumped

0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:58.040
<v Speaker 2>and this dude's about to be munched. So he walks

0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:01.279
<v Speaker 2>in with the dude and the dude's a nervous nelly, like.

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 3>What are you doing here?

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, I was just about to ask you

0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:07.279
<v Speaker 2>the same thing, and he goes, you treated me like

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:09.560
<v Speaker 2>a scale, not a cop. You're doing it again, and

0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 2>he's pacing scared away from Munch and he's like, I

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 2>said it would happen again, and it did, and Munch

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:16.879
<v Speaker 2>is like, yep, and you were right there. He says,

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:18.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to take this, and he wants to leave,

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:21.399
<v Speaker 2>but right at that moment, right at that moment, I've

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:23.399
<v Speaker 2>invented a lot of words. Okay, he says, I don't

0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 2>need to take this, and he wants to leave, and

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:28.719
<v Speaker 2>right at that moment, Craigan busts in and scolds Munch

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:31.400
<v Speaker 2>and he's confused, and Craigan, to ray from girls, is like,

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:35.800
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, Officer Lomaton, I'm so sorry. Sergeant Munch

0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:39.600
<v Speaker 2>is not running this. These women are, and we appreciate you.

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 2>So I love this little trick that's been played. And

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 2>the men leave and he's mad. He's like, oh, what

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:47.319
<v Speaker 2>the fuck. He's a sergeant and I can't even be

0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 2>a regular cop. And they're like, listen, thank you so

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:52.320
<v Speaker 2>much for finding the hat, and we should have listened

0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:54.799
<v Speaker 2>to you thirteen years ago. And then he looks at

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:56.839
<v Speaker 2>Benson and goes, you were there. I remember, And then

0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Rollins begins to flirt and goes, well I wasn't, and

0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 2>he's these cases are connected.

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 3>You don't get it, do you, But it's all in

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:04.360
<v Speaker 3>my archives.

0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:06.560
<v Speaker 2>So they all follow him to his mom's house, who's like,

0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:08.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought you were out helping find the boy, and

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:10.920
<v Speaker 2>he's like, yeah, mom, they're here to see my work.

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.279
<v Speaker 2>And then he's like a kid excited to show you

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:14.880
<v Speaker 2>their room when you go to their house for the

0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 2>first time, and they run up to the attic and

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 2>it's an obsessive as you can imagine.

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:20.479
<v Speaker 3>And then plus five.

0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:23.400
<v Speaker 2>So a lot of newspapers, red and black tape y

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:27.240
<v Speaker 2>are in American flags clippings, and Finn is perfect and says,

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.280
<v Speaker 2>what the hell is this a museum for lost boys?

0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:35.480
<v Speaker 2>So this auxiliary cop Ray Poshanski says to Finn, you

0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 2>don't get it, but she does, and like you know,

0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 2>nods a little bit to sexy blondie and he is

0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 2>convinced that him and Rollins really get each other, and

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.799
<v Speaker 2>she goes along with it. Yeah, Steve, I think I

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:51.360
<v Speaker 2>get it. And she makes a little ponytail look good

0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:55.480
<v Speaker 2>and so what now, Right, Rollins enters the kitchen and

0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:58.280
<v Speaker 2>there's a ton of uniform cops are clearing the cupboards,

0:46:58.280 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>but she needs a moment and kicks them all out.

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 2>So she starts asking Steve questions and she's just like you,

0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 2>keep saying other boys. So what are these other boys?

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.920
<v Speaker 2>And he said that he found seven disappearances in thirteen

0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 2>years in three counties. Four of the boys were taken

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:15.279
<v Speaker 2>by a man wearing a disguise. She cheers him on

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:17.719
<v Speaker 2>while Finn is on the phone upstairs talking about him

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:21.240
<v Speaker 2>to Craigan. So now we jump and we're with Hector's

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.160
<v Speaker 2>mom and she goes, oh my god, yeah, I know

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:26.040
<v Speaker 2>this auxiliary cop. No real cops would come up to

0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:30.120
<v Speaker 2>the beat here, and so you know, they would hang out.

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 2>He would talk, He would talk to Hector. So then

0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 2>it's revealed to her he sent you that letter. She

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:37.600
<v Speaker 2>denies it. She goes, why would he send me the letter?

0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:40.520
<v Speaker 2>We never lost touch. He lights a candle at the

0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:43.640
<v Speaker 2>memorial every year. He never gave up. Benson is like,

0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I wish you told me about him and his involvement.

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:48.319
<v Speaker 2>She goes, why because he didn't give up and you did,

0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:49.480
<v Speaker 2>and Benson looks guilty.

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Of course.

0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Now they show the photos to the divorce parents and

0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:55.160
<v Speaker 2>she goes, oh my god, it's that pretend cop. And

0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Namaro asks if she knows him, and she does. From

0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 2>the playground, he talked to all the kids and they

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 2>all start screaming at each other and fighting, and tomorrow

0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:04.280
<v Speaker 2>needs to pull the parents apart.

0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:05.680
<v Speaker 3>She blames him, and it's his fault.

0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Marl's like, I know where you are, but you guys

0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 2>need to get the fuck past it. So the dad

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 2>walks to her and they hug and he says I'm sorry.

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 2>She hugs and cries. Tomorrow should be a couple's therapist.

0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:19.560
<v Speaker 2>They ask for even though he had one of the

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:24.439
<v Speaker 2>worst marriage, the worst marriage of all time. They ask

0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 2>for him to please bring him back to us. So

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:30.040
<v Speaker 2>now the fake cop is upstairs doing his diorama report,

0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:32.120
<v Speaker 2>but it's all over the ceiling and walls, and Rollins

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:35.600
<v Speaker 2>is listening to him go on and on, and she asks, so,

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:38.760
<v Speaker 2>what's the theory on the connection? And he says someone

0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 2>is taking boys and then setting fires to get rid

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:43.320
<v Speaker 2>of the bodies. And if we don't find why, another

0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:44.480
<v Speaker 2>building might burn down.

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 3>She turns it on.

0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 2>She's like, wait, look, I can't wait to report this

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:50.360
<v Speaker 2>all back to my squad. They're gonna want to know

0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 2>where you were today, though, he says, I'll tell you

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:56.440
<v Speaker 2>and you can verify it, but you can't tell anybody.

0:48:56.800 --> 0:48:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Rollins agrees.

0:48:57.960 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Finn, Tomorrow and Craigan are talking about it, and they

0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 2>him on video at the pharmacy window when Wyatt was snatched.

0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Why would he not tell us that? And it's because

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:09.040
<v Speaker 2>he was getting antipsychotic anxiety and depression meds, and so

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.040
<v Speaker 2>he thinks that's going to fuck us the chances of

0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:14.360
<v Speaker 2>getting into the NYPD. But also they haven't accepted you

0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 2>in fifteen years. Yeah, like you're not going to be

0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:23.400
<v Speaker 2>a cop, dude. But also on the pharmacy cameras, we

0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:25.719
<v Speaker 2>see that he came back an hour later to buy

0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:28.440
<v Speaker 2>a child sized baseball cap that he found on the street,

0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:31.520
<v Speaker 2>and she remembers because he paid in cash. So this

0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.720
<v Speaker 2>is a full nightmare. He's a wanna be hero on meds,

0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Craigan says, and Rollins defends him and goes, sure, he

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:40.360
<v Speaker 2>might be crazy, but it doesn't mean he's wrong. And

0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Munch is like, yeah, there's a connection between the kids

0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:46.560
<v Speaker 2>and the fires. He's onto something and Amorro doesn't see it.

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.759
<v Speaker 2>And Benson also notices one of the fires happened three

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:53.600
<v Speaker 2>days before Hector disappeared, because she remembers walking past like

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:56.839
<v Speaker 2>the burnt lot. Rollins is clacking on the computer, and

0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:59.960
<v Speaker 2>four days later a building next to the fire claimed

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.319
<v Speaker 2>there was water damage from that fire, and they put

0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:05.000
<v Speaker 2>they got a rush permit for concrete work in their basement.

0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Music plays, Craigan is gonna call the DA get an

0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:12.080
<v Speaker 2>emergency order to dig up the slab, and lou drills

0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 2>are shaking down there through the concrete. They dig the

0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:17.399
<v Speaker 2>pieces of the cement and they found something. They wave

0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:19.759
<v Speaker 2>over Benson march in Tomorrow. They look down and then

0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:22.880
<v Speaker 2>at each other, and now it's buzz buzz. Amorro and

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Benson are at the door of Hector's mother's house and

0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:28.080
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna do what Tomorrow says is the worst part

0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:31.480
<v Speaker 2>about being a cop, and Benson agrees. Dolores opens the door.

0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:35.600
<v Speaker 2>They enter her apartment and we may have found She says, stop, please,

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I just want one more second to believe that he's

0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 2>coming back. Amaro walks to her and speaks in Spanish

0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 2>and shows her the photo of his backpack.

0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:44.560
<v Speaker 3>It's his where did you?

0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:47.120
<v Speaker 2>And she stops you for asking the full question, and

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 2>she cries, oh my baby. She falls into Amorrow's arms

0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:52.920
<v Speaker 2>and then goes to her altar to cry.

0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:55.799
<v Speaker 3>And it's really really sad.

0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:58.440
<v Speaker 2>And she's an incredible actress and I'm just so happy

0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:01.480
<v Speaker 2>for her being in the Bear and I hope she

0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:04.400
<v Speaker 2>wins a fucking Emmy this year. Did she get nominated?

0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I wonder whatever, she just deserves everything. Back to the office,

0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 2>and her name is l i Za. I think it's

0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:11.920
<v Speaker 2>e Liza that wait, do you know who she's married to,

0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Angel from Dexter. No. Yes, and he's been on SVU

0:51:18.400 --> 0:51:21.040
<v Speaker 2>as well. Hold on, let's uh, let's put this all together.

0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:25.399
<v Speaker 2>And hell, yo, dex we found a body in La Pisina. Yeah,

0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:29.560
<v Speaker 2>my Angel, what a character. Okay, So do you think

0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:35.160
<v Speaker 2>it's Lisa Eliza e Liza Cologne Zias Zayas? Oh, Yeahaias

0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:39.800
<v Speaker 2>because he's what's his name, David Zayas. They've been together

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 2>since nineteen ninety eight. What a cute fucking couple. Oh

0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:48.560
<v Speaker 2>and so the episode that her husband was in was

0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Protection in SVU season three, episode twelve.

0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:53.440
<v Speaker 3>If you guys want to.

0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Put it all together, I'm so glad I remembered that

0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:57.279
<v Speaker 2>they were married because I feel like that's such a

0:51:57.360 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 2>cute couple. Alert we had a lot of cute couples,

0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:02.919
<v Speaker 2>a lot of cow after couples. So now we're back

0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:05.960
<v Speaker 2>at the office for another tragic day at SVU. Benson's

0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:07.640
<v Speaker 2>getting off the phone with Warner, who looked at the

0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:10.280
<v Speaker 2>dental records and dyed hair, and they finally found Hector

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:14.160
<v Speaker 2>fractured hyoid bone in the next so he was strangled

0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:17.600
<v Speaker 2>and he leads on the slab. So and this gets

0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:20.640
<v Speaker 2>a little confusing. I had to watch this a few times. Yeah,

0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:24.160
<v Speaker 2>this episode is confusing. Yeah, So if any of you

0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:28.439
<v Speaker 2>are real estate people, let us know. So in ninety nine,

0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:32.359
<v Speaker 2>that building was owned by Davidson LLC, which was an

0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:35.319
<v Speaker 2>overseas company and the only building they owned, and then

0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:38.479
<v Speaker 2>they sold it off five years later and dissolved the LLC.

0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:42.400
<v Speaker 2>They sell it to Morningside LLC, who go on to

0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 2>acquire three additional parcels on the block. And all of

0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:50.920
<v Speaker 2>these businesses were Sroro hotels, tenements, and they were emptied

0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:54.759
<v Speaker 2>out and converted into these modern condos and then Munch

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:55.560
<v Speaker 2>puts it together.

0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:57.400
<v Speaker 3>These are all fronts.

0:52:57.600 --> 0:52:59.680
<v Speaker 2>The buyer didn't want the sellers to know that the

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:04.000
<v Speaker 2>block is in play, so Morningside was behind the front

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:04.760
<v Speaker 2>all along.

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 3>Who are they?

0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, the condo managing agents are Sam and Frank Morris,

0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:14.360
<v Speaker 2>David's father and uncle. Hector was buried in a building

0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:19.160
<v Speaker 2>that was owned by Wyatt's grandfather. Lomaiton was right, there

0:53:19.200 --> 0:53:24.920
<v Speaker 2>are no coincidences. So does that mean that the Davidson

0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:28.359
<v Speaker 2>LLC and Morningside LLC are the same companies.

0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that they basically set up Davidson as like a

0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:34.920
<v Speaker 1>shell company and just let the building probably sit there

0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:38.279
<v Speaker 1>for a few years so that while they acquired other

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:40.680
<v Speaker 1>places and then made like a big play for like

0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:43.680
<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood, rather than have neighbors go oh, these big

0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:44.799
<v Speaker 1>developers are moving in.

0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:49.759
<v Speaker 3>You know, I think sneaky, sneaky, you know.

0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So they go to the divorce parents to tell

0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:55.600
<v Speaker 2>him the news. The mom is shocked, the boy from

0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:58.319
<v Speaker 2>the mural and now it's like, you know, her worst

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:02.080
<v Speaker 2>nightmare and fears are beginning to realize again. And the

0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:04.080
<v Speaker 2>guy is like, Okay, they found Hector in a building

0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:07.080
<v Speaker 2>owned by my father. He's like it must be a coincidence.

0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Benson slowly explains he was buried beneath a concrete floor

0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:14.400
<v Speaker 2>that was poured four days after he was abducted. The

0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:17.320
<v Speaker 2>dad's like, yeah, okay, I feel sorry for this boy.

0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've never an SVU history wanted they're a

0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:21.920
<v Speaker 2>child to be dead more.

0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 3>Than his you know what I mean. I'm like, don't

0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:25.600
<v Speaker 3>find him, don't find.

0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:28.000
<v Speaker 1>He's like really wild. It's like that scene where he

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:29.919
<v Speaker 1>loses him. He's so good and you're like you feel

0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 1>the panic. But then the rest of the episode he's like,

0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't really remember people.

0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:34.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't really know faces.

0:54:34.680 --> 0:54:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not visual, I don't I tune people out, Like

0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:38.960
<v Speaker 1>you're like, who are what is your deal?

0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:41.840
<v Speaker 3>Like just a dick? But yeah.

0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:44.120
<v Speaker 2>So Benson finally is like, we need to know who

0:54:44.120 --> 0:54:47.439
<v Speaker 2>poured the concrete, you fucking moron. He's like, in ninety nine,

0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:50.319
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea and my father's dead, and they're like, well,

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:52.480
<v Speaker 2>you better fucking track it down. So they go to

0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:55.440
<v Speaker 2>some underground type place with boxes and files. Nothing's on

0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:58.160
<v Speaker 2>the computer, it's all loose, and we need info on

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 2>the super of the building. So he's digging and finally

0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:03.640
<v Speaker 2>he sees that the managing agent was someone named el Hoda.

0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:06.400
<v Speaker 2>He then realizes he actually recently had a meeting with

0:55:06.480 --> 0:55:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Lewis Hoda about four months ago. So the meeting was

0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:14.640
<v Speaker 2>basically Hoda telling this rich kid that his father owed

0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:16.359
<v Speaker 2>him money and then he needed to give him money,

0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:19.440
<v Speaker 2>and what his dad hired him.

0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 3>For was to be a rough character.

0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:24.799
<v Speaker 2>So Rent strikes illegal tenants, drug dealers, you know, a

0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:27.480
<v Speaker 2>tough guy and They're like, okay, so how do we

0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:29.000
<v Speaker 2>get in touch with him? And he said, well, he

0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:31.400
<v Speaker 2>complained about a basement apartment he had in one of

0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:34.200
<v Speaker 2>my father's old buildings. So they knock at the fuck

0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:35.960
<v Speaker 2>in and arrest the guy in a raid in the

0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:38.000
<v Speaker 2>middle of the night, and they slam him into the

0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:42.160
<v Speaker 2>wall and they're like, where's the boy, where's the boy? Why?

0:55:42.239 --> 0:55:45.399
<v Speaker 3>At seven? Where is he? And He's like, never heard

0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:45.719
<v Speaker 3>of him?

0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 2>And Finn shows him a picture and says he works

0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:49.600
<v Speaker 2>for his grandfather. What did you do with the boy?

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Finn screams in his face. Hoda screams back, and it's

0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Tom Sizemore, who has over two hundred credits on IMDb,

0:55:57.400 --> 0:55:58.879
<v Speaker 2>and I have not seen not one.

0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:02.400
<v Speaker 1>He just died in March of this year. What I

0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:04.400
<v Speaker 1>don't Yeah, I don't even think I heard about that.

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:08.040
<v Speaker 2>I did not know he passed. He has a prolific,

0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:12.680
<v Speaker 2>prolific career. It's just like a lot of it's it's

0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:14.920
<v Speaker 2>war and cop It's not really my movies. I'm not

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:18.040
<v Speaker 2>watching Saving Private Ryan. Yeah, but I been watching Boorn

0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:20.799
<v Speaker 2>on the you know, on the of July, so I

0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:22.560
<v Speaker 2>never see I've never seen his work.

0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:25.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I've ever really seen anything either. I

0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:29.840
<v Speaker 1>just remember, like in this episode, him being really scary,

0:56:29.920 --> 0:56:33.400
<v Speaker 1>but also I remember him dating Heidie Flies, like he

0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:36.000
<v Speaker 1>came to my consciousness when the Heidi Flies thing all

0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:37.160
<v Speaker 1>came to came out.

0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:38.440
<v Speaker 3>Not always be.

0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Offensive of the dead, but he looks like someone that

0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:41.840
<v Speaker 2>would have dated Heidi Flies.

0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:44.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah.

0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:47.320
<v Speaker 1>And then I mean he was accused of sexual abuse

0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:50.160
<v Speaker 1>and substance abuse, like he had allegations against him.

0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Great, great, great, Well I was actually protesting all of

0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:56.759
<v Speaker 2>his work, so I got on purpose. But the name

0:56:56.880 --> 0:57:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Tom Sizemore is so famous. I feel like that name

0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:05.360
<v Speaker 2>give does something to me. Yeah. Yeah, So he's screaming

0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:08.399
<v Speaker 2>back at Finn, he goes, you got nothing, but then

0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Roland's Rolands.

0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:11.480
<v Speaker 3>I am losing it.

0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:16.280
<v Speaker 2>In this apphod Rollins did find something vicodin an oxy

0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:17.680
<v Speaker 2>for an amy rosenthal.

0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:19.080
<v Speaker 3>So everyone's like, good enough for me.

0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:23.240
<v Speaker 2>He's like, sure, arrest me on a couple of bootleg scripts, okay,

0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:25.040
<v Speaker 2>and they get his ass out of there.

0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:26.439
<v Speaker 3>So is this our guy?

0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Another work session and Benson is still wearing a white

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:30.400
<v Speaker 2>long sleeve shirt.

0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:32.840
<v Speaker 3>So is this just one long day? Has no one slept?

0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Has this been multiple days, like I can't still be daytime,

0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:38.919
<v Speaker 2>so I'm not really sure what's going on, or maybe

0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:42.240
<v Speaker 2>it's so now Amorrow got some scoop And in the

0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:46.520
<v Speaker 2>nineties he was investigated four times by Marshall's investigating Arsens

0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:50.320
<v Speaker 2>on our SROs and soros. I'll explain our single room

0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:53.760
<v Speaker 2>occupancy hotels and they provide affordable housing.

0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:55.000
<v Speaker 3>So that's really cool.

0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:59.360
<v Speaker 2>So basically there's all these Arsen things with him and

0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:01.680
<v Speaker 2>all these ten of and SROs and other buildings that

0:58:01.720 --> 0:58:05.840
<v Speaker 2>the Morrises wanted gone. Suddenly there was Arson involved. Also,

0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:09.600
<v Speaker 2>he's in the and C I see database. He was

0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:12.320
<v Speaker 2>questioned twice in near playgrounds in Brooklyn and Yonkers in

0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:16.880
<v Speaker 2>one and six, and two boys disappeared in Brooklyn and

0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:20.280
<v Speaker 2>in Yonkers in one and o six, so things are

0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 2>starting to paint a little picture. And Lomitton's timeline there

0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:27.080
<v Speaker 2>was a fire a week after both the boy's disappearance.

0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:30.360
<v Speaker 2>So then Craigan is still being so annoying. He's like, yeah,

0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:32.840
<v Speaker 2>but we can't get ahead of ourselves. We don't really

0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:35.760
<v Speaker 2>know who owned the buildings, and it's like Benson, finally

0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:37.880
<v Speaker 2>he's like, go fuck yourself. We can make a case later,

0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:40.320
<v Speaker 2>we need to get him. We need to find the boy.

0:58:40.400 --> 0:58:43.000
<v Speaker 2>We need to find the boy, Craigan. So Craigan sends

0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:46.919
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Tomorrow because he thinks that Hoda might still

0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:49.000
<v Speaker 2>be mad at Finn and rollins for, you know, waking

0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:51.680
<v Speaker 2>him up in such an abrupt manner. He's sitting in

0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:53.800
<v Speaker 2>the room in a tank top and Benson Marvel's at

0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:56.600
<v Speaker 2>his scars and says, I know where they came from.

0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:59.160
<v Speaker 2>You did these right, and shows photos of some fires.

0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:02.439
<v Speaker 2>You worked for David Morris's father, and you're good, maybe

0:59:02.520 --> 0:59:03.360
<v Speaker 2>even the best.

0:59:03.520 --> 0:59:04.520
<v Speaker 3>Nobody thought it was you.

0:59:05.000 --> 0:59:07.640
<v Speaker 2>He's like, excuse me, detectives put, this happened a long

0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:10.280
<v Speaker 2>time ago, and nobody died, so there's really nothing to

0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:13.720
<v Speaker 2>talk about. Benson pushes and was like, well, David Morris

0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:15.600
<v Speaker 2>made a fortune off your work. What did you get

0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:17.920
<v Speaker 2>out of it? That's the way it works, he says.

0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Pioneers get the arrows and settlers get the land. Tomorrow

0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:25.439
<v Speaker 2>gets specific tell us about the three seventy six Manhattan Avenue.

0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:28.320
<v Speaker 2>He thinks, I don't know, maybe a grease fire the

0:59:28.400 --> 0:59:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Chinese restaurant next door. Benson goes, no, it actually started

0:59:31.880 --> 0:59:34.360
<v Speaker 2>in a comic book store on the ground floor of

0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:34.880
<v Speaker 2>the building.

0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Tenants were on a rent strike.

0:59:36.520 --> 0:59:39.320
<v Speaker 2>He says, oh, yeah, yeah, and starts laughing and mumbling

0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:41.640
<v Speaker 2>and being a little weird. And then they show Hector's

0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:44.280
<v Speaker 2>photo and he denies knowing him at all, and Ben's goes,

0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:46.640
<v Speaker 2>are you sure you were the managing agent just down

0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:47.120
<v Speaker 2>the block?

0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:50.640
<v Speaker 3>He goes, was I? And he does seem drugged.

0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:52.960
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if he was really on drugs or just

0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:56.280
<v Speaker 2>an incredible actor. So yep, And you signed for a

0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:59.040
<v Speaker 2>concrete delivery at the building a week after the fire.

0:59:59.080 --> 1:00:01.960
<v Speaker 2>He goes, oh yeah, you know, from the water from

1:00:02.040 --> 1:00:05.200
<v Speaker 2>the hoses. They flooded the basement and they had to

1:00:05.200 --> 1:00:08.160
<v Speaker 2>do a new slab. But that doesn't make sense because

1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:10.760
<v Speaker 2>that building was one hundred yards away from the fire,

1:00:10.880 --> 1:00:13.240
<v Speaker 2>so you're gonna need another story that would not be

1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:17.120
<v Speaker 2>possible for the water to reach that far. He says, okay, whatever,

1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:19.600
<v Speaker 2>a pipe burst, like, who gives a shit. He then

1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:23.120
<v Speaker 2>admits to being there when the concrete was poured, so okay.

1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:27.240
<v Speaker 2>Then explain how Hector ended up buried there, and he goes,

1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:30.800
<v Speaker 2>forty residents, half of them on parole, they all did time.

1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:32.800
<v Speaker 2>They all talked together, like, I don't know what you

1:00:32.840 --> 1:00:36.479
<v Speaker 2>want from me, and they're like, but sure, but you're

1:00:36.600 --> 1:00:39.880
<v Speaker 2>the only one that was been questioned for hanging around playgrounds.

1:00:40.160 --> 1:00:42.680
<v Speaker 2>But also you were there when the concrete was poured,

1:00:42.920 --> 1:00:46.840
<v Speaker 2>so yeah.

1:00:45.040 --> 1:00:45.920
<v Speaker 3>That doesn't make sense.

1:00:46.400 --> 1:00:48.720
<v Speaker 2>So they keep pushing and piling on the evidence, and

1:00:48.760 --> 1:00:50.640
<v Speaker 2>he says, you got this all wrong. This is a

1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:53.200
<v Speaker 2>twilight zone, and they're like, come on, dude, just tell

1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:55.400
<v Speaker 2>us what happened. She's like, you did the fires and

1:00:55.440 --> 1:00:58.360
<v Speaker 2>you double dipped. He punches the table with all his might,

1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:00.240
<v Speaker 2>tries to leave and Amaro pushes him in to the

1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:02.800
<v Speaker 2>wall and Benson slowly walks him and says, you're not

1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:06.280
<v Speaker 2>going anywhere this time, Lewis, because we have witnesses putting

1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:09.240
<v Speaker 2>you at all those crime scenes. And nobody likes Sachomo,

1:01:09.480 --> 1:01:12.600
<v Speaker 2>especially not in state prison. And he says, I didn't

1:01:12.600 --> 1:01:15.040
<v Speaker 2>touch those kids. He starts to crumble at the thought

1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:18.360
<v Speaker 2>of being Chicken Hawk in prison and that is a pedophile.

1:01:19.520 --> 1:01:22.880
<v Speaker 2>So there's some pacing going on around and Omar's like, Okay,

1:01:23.160 --> 1:01:25.440
<v Speaker 2>you're good for the fires, but these little boys, you

1:01:25.520 --> 1:01:28.600
<v Speaker 2>never touched them, Is that what you're saying? He goes, yes, exactly.

1:01:29.000 --> 1:01:32.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm a professional and I'm just doing my job. And

1:01:32.280 --> 1:01:33.800
<v Speaker 2>he goes, well, sure, and if you don't want the

1:01:33.880 --> 1:01:36.360
<v Speaker 2>DA to put the child stuff on you, you need

1:01:36.400 --> 1:01:39.120
<v Speaker 2>to help us. He crumbles to the ground and is

1:01:39.160 --> 1:01:42.160
<v Speaker 2>sitting on the ground distraught, and Tomorrow pushes him like, Morris,

1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:45.440
<v Speaker 2>family sucks. Right. You took a lot of risks and

1:01:45.480 --> 1:01:47.880
<v Speaker 2>made that family a lot of money. And when his

1:01:48.000 --> 1:01:50.080
<v Speaker 2>son needed to do right by you, he acted like

1:01:50.120 --> 1:01:52.960
<v Speaker 2>he didn't even know you. And he says, what I

1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:55.640
<v Speaker 2>did for that family, they should have given me the penthouse.

1:01:55.960 --> 1:01:59.040
<v Speaker 2>The old man he had balls, David. He has no

1:01:59.160 --> 1:02:01.480
<v Speaker 2>idea none. He doesn't know what it takes to empty

1:02:01.520 --> 1:02:04.640
<v Speaker 2>a building. You don't do it with lawsuits and BS payouts.

1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:08.520
<v Speaker 2>You do it with fire. This guy's old school and

1:02:08.560 --> 1:02:11.360
<v Speaker 2>he lifts his fists in the air and he goes

1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:14.800
<v Speaker 2>and Sister, just like you said, I have the scars

1:02:14.840 --> 1:02:18.240
<v Speaker 2>to prove it. I'm in the Hall of fame. And

1:02:18.320 --> 1:02:22.160
<v Speaker 2>so then Omaro goes and you took Wyatt, so Morris ojus.

1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:24.160
<v Speaker 2>So we can put that out there and say there

1:02:24.240 --> 1:02:27.320
<v Speaker 2>was a ransom demand. But with Hector, that boy had asthma.

1:02:27.440 --> 1:02:29.800
<v Speaker 2>That boy just stopped breathing when he was with you, right,

1:02:30.160 --> 1:02:32.320
<v Speaker 2>and the dude snaps. So bensons, we could put all

1:02:32.320 --> 1:02:34.840
<v Speaker 2>of this out there, about the morrises and all this bullshit,

1:02:34.840 --> 1:02:37.320
<v Speaker 2>but you've got to give us something, Lewis, so he ponders,

1:02:37.760 --> 1:02:40.480
<v Speaker 2>then crouch down to him and they both are like

1:02:40.560 --> 1:02:42.480
<v Speaker 2>face level to him, and they're like, tell us where

1:02:42.520 --> 1:02:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Wyatt is right now?

1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:45.760
<v Speaker 3>Siren blaars.

1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:48.680
<v Speaker 2>The cops are running, clipping open locks to a series

1:02:48.760 --> 1:02:52.320
<v Speaker 2>of fences. They enter a dark, giant building, flashlights out

1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:53.560
<v Speaker 2>and screaming for Wyatt.

1:02:53.600 --> 1:02:54.480
<v Speaker 3>What is this place?

1:02:54.960 --> 1:02:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Huge white bricks inside, It's like an abandoned something. And

1:02:58.640 --> 1:03:00.880
<v Speaker 2>then we hear mommy and Ben and runs towards the

1:03:00.960 --> 1:03:04.120
<v Speaker 2>voice and behind a wooden door, is Wyat Are you okay?

1:03:04.240 --> 1:03:06.840
<v Speaker 2>She lifts him, hugs him, she carries him out. His

1:03:06.960 --> 1:03:09.720
<v Speaker 2>parents run to him. They all hug and walk off together,

1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:12.760
<v Speaker 2>and Benson calls him a brave boy, but says, after

1:03:12.840 --> 1:03:15.840
<v Speaker 2>all this, he's gonna need both of his parents. And

1:03:15.960 --> 1:03:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Norah Jones starts playing again, and the three of them hug.

1:03:19.200 --> 1:03:22.840
<v Speaker 2>But for poor Hector, just more candles, flowers and vigils

1:03:22.880 --> 1:03:25.960
<v Speaker 2>and tears and that stickwolf baby.

1:03:26.520 --> 1:03:29.040
<v Speaker 3>It's a confusing episode because it's.

1:03:28.960 --> 1:03:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Like because they've gotten a real estate law like yeah,

1:03:32.160 --> 1:03:34.600
<v Speaker 1>but also, why did he take Hector? Is he a

1:03:34.680 --> 1:03:36.440
<v Speaker 1>child molester? I know we're going to get into this

1:03:36.480 --> 1:03:41.720
<v Speaker 1>because this is this episode wildly concludes in three seasons

1:03:41.760 --> 1:03:44.440
<v Speaker 1>with the trial of Lewis Hoda, so I'm sure we're

1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:47.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna learn more. But like, if you're just watching this

1:03:47.400 --> 1:03:49.200
<v Speaker 1>episode and I don't know that they knew they were

1:03:49.200 --> 1:03:52.160
<v Speaker 1>going to do another episode three years down the road,

1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:55.160
<v Speaker 1>why did he take Hector? Why did he kill Hector?

1:03:55.800 --> 1:03:57.680
<v Speaker 1>He was strangled, so it wasn't like he didn't stop

1:03:57.680 --> 1:03:59.960
<v Speaker 1>breathing from asthma. Did he take him because he went

1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:01.720
<v Speaker 1>to molest him and then kill him? Like is that

1:04:01.760 --> 1:04:04.120
<v Speaker 1>what it was and poured the concrete over him? Oh?

1:04:04.120 --> 1:04:06.760
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, because it but it seemed like it's weird.

1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Because it's like, you took this boy for molestation, but

1:04:09.480 --> 1:04:11.440
<v Speaker 1>you took this other boy for revenge. It's just a

1:04:11.480 --> 1:04:15.880
<v Speaker 1>little bit creat like confusing. You know, Oh, maybe he's

1:04:15.960 --> 1:04:16.880
<v Speaker 1>not a pedophile.

1:04:17.040 --> 1:04:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, but we don't know if Wyatt's been molested, would

1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:22.400
<v Speaker 2>have been molested?

1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:24.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we don't know.

1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:26.800
<v Speaker 2>I think they're I think they were just in this

1:04:27.200 --> 1:04:29.240
<v Speaker 2>they might even still charge him for stuff.

1:04:29.280 --> 1:04:30.520
<v Speaker 3>We'll see what the evidence is.

1:04:31.120 --> 1:04:33.520
<v Speaker 2>I think for this, it was just like they needed

1:04:33.560 --> 1:04:36.520
<v Speaker 2>to say whatever to fucking find Wyatt, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah. It is a good episode, and it just

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<v Speaker 2>shows you how rich people suck and losing a child

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<v Speaker 2>is really hard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, horrible, the worst thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And hopefully this will be a wake up call for

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<v Speaker 1>Richie rich to start memorizing some faces and keeping a

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<v Speaker 1>better eye on his kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think the parents are going to get back together?

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<v Speaker 1>They kiss at the end. I saw that, Like they kiss,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. It's like if you guys fight

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<v Speaker 1>and hate each other, I don't really know that this

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<v Speaker 1>would like fully repair everything, Like hopefully it would make you

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<v Speaker 1>guys co parent better. But I don't know, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you got you're getting divorced, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe maybe they'll fuck once or twice and then

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<v Speaker 2>realize yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The trauma bonding.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, don't go anywhere, listen to our advertisements,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will be right back with some crime.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously, when I watch this episode, my mind immediately

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<v Speaker 1>goes to Aton Pats, who is a little boy who

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<v Speaker 1>went missing in New York City in oh gosh, the

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<v Speaker 1>eighties I believe or seventy nine, sorry, and he disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like a case that spans a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>but this one matches up, I think more with the

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<v Speaker 1>next episode, which we're gonna do called Depravity Standard, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we're going to cover that then. I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>want everybody writing and going, this is about Aton Pats.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I know it is, but it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be for next time. This one I'm going to cover

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<v Speaker 1>the Bobby Greenlea's case. Have you ever heard of this, Liza, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I have not. No, I had never heard of this.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of green, Green River, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of green Yeah, green River killer Bobby Greenlea's.

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<v Speaker 1>This case reminds me of like the first episode the

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<v Speaker 1>first season of the Perry Mason reboot, like all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of things I've seen on television. I'm sure it's been

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<v Speaker 1>like dramatized, but this all takes place in nineteen fifty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Cosgrove Greenlea's Junior aka Bobby at the time is

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<v Speaker 1>the six year old son of Robert Cosgrove Greenlee Senior,

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<v Speaker 1>a millionaire car dealer in Kansas City, Missouri.

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<v Speaker 3>This guy brought.

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<v Speaker 1>General Motors cars like to the Great Planes so and

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<v Speaker 1>he owned dealerships from like Texas to the Dakotas.

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<v Speaker 4>Like.

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<v Speaker 3>He was just like a very wealthy man.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was I think actually in his sixties when

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<v Speaker 1>they had Bobby, and he had an older adopted son

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<v Speaker 1>and so. On September twenty eighth of nineteen fifty three,

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<v Speaker 1>little Bobby was attending the French Institute of Notre Dame

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<v Speaker 1>de Sion when a woman came to the school claiming

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<v Speaker 1>to be Bobby's aunt. A nun that answered the door

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<v Speaker 1>was named Sister Moron, and was told by this woman

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<v Speaker 1>that Bobby's mother had had a heart attack and was

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<v Speaker 1>in the hospital. She was extremely upset, and Sister Moron

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<v Speaker 1>just went and got Bobby and brought her him right

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<v Speaker 1>to this woman, and Bobby went with the woman no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing in his behavior suggested that he didn't know this

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<v Speaker 1>woman or that she wasn't his aunt. And the woman

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<v Speaker 1>took Bobby away in a taxi. And then later that morning,

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<v Speaker 1>another nun, sister Marthana, called the Green Laces to check

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<v Speaker 1>in on the mom and see like, oh, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>status of her? Is she oka? And who picks up

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<v Speaker 1>the phone? But the mom healthy and not a heart

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<v Speaker 1>attack in sight. So the whole story was a ruse.

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<v Speaker 1>And Bobby had been abducted straight out of his school,

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<v Speaker 1>which which is such a ballsy, fucking thing to do,

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<v Speaker 1>because like what if he had made a fuss and said,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not my aunt, I don't want to go with you,

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<v Speaker 1>or like they to just be that confident to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a school and just walk out with a kid

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<v Speaker 1>is so nuts. So Bobby's mother called his father, who

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<v Speaker 1>called the Kansas City Police and then they handed the

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<v Speaker 1>case over to the FBI. And actually a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the information I got for this crime I got on

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI website.

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<v Speaker 3>There's like a lot of information on it there.

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<v Speaker 1>So a cab driver for a cab company named Willard

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<v Speaker 1>Pearson Creech told the authorities that he had picked up

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<v Speaker 1>this woman dropped her at the school and she said

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<v Speaker 1>wait for me, and that she got into the cab

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<v Speaker 1>with Bobby six minutes after arriving. So it took her

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<v Speaker 1>six minutes for her to be like, give me this kid,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go. And a few hours later the greenleass got

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<v Speaker 1>a ransom note. The first letter was mailed special delivery

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<v Speaker 1>and postmarked six pm on September twenty eighth, the day

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<v Speaker 1>he went missing, and it demanded six hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in twenties and tens to be placed in a Douffel bag.

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<v Speaker 1>They promised to return Bobby safe and sound within twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hours as long as they got the payment, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was no funny business, you know, no tricks. The

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<v Speaker 1>second ransom letter was postmarked nine thirty pm on September

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<v Speaker 1>twenty ninth, the next day, and inside that envelope was

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<v Speaker 1>along with the letter was a Jerusalem medal that Bobby wore.

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<v Speaker 1>So this letter also demanded the six hundred thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>said that Bobby was doing fine but that he was homesick.

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<v Speaker 1>So now the Greenleases received over half a dozen ransom

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<v Speaker 1>notes and fifteen telephone calls, and it's like, fuck, these

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<v Speaker 1>are thirsty kidnappers, like they were really reaching out a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Leases are multimillionaires, so they do pay the ransom.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the final call was received on October fifth, So

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<v Speaker 1>this is like a week of them just getting these

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<v Speaker 1>calls and ransom notes from the green from the kidnappers

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<v Speaker 1>and the Green leases, I guess are working out with

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI how to get the money, how to deliver

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<v Speaker 1>the money. I don't know what's happening. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why it took like a week. But the kidnappers then

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<v Speaker 1>in their last phone call, they say, we've got the

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred thousand. Bobby is fine, and he's alive and

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<v Speaker 1>will be He will be returned to you in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hours. Sadly, unbeknownst to the family, the kidnappers, who

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<v Speaker 1>are named Carl Hall and Bonnie Hetty, it's a man

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<v Speaker 1>and a woman, a couple. They're not married, but their boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend or whatever. They had killed Bobby almost immediately after

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<v Speaker 1>his abduction. They shot him in their car with a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight caliber revolver, and all of the talk about

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<v Speaker 1>bringing him back was not true. They were never going

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<v Speaker 1>to deliver him. They actually they think that the ransom

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<v Speaker 1>notes came even after he was dead, Like it wasn't like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he you know, he's seen our faces.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to kill it. Like they killed him right away.

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<v Speaker 3>So they also.

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<v Speaker 1>Buried his body near Bonnie Hetty's home in Saint Joseph, Missouri,

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<v Speaker 1>the body had been wrapped in a large plastic bag

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<v Speaker 1>and had lime poured over it, which is to like

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<v Speaker 1>disintegrate the body, I think. And so on October seven,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of days after he was founded, about ten

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<v Speaker 1>days after he was taken, the family dentist identified his

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<v Speaker 1>body with confirming gentle records. So kind of like what

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<v Speaker 1>they had to do with Hector sadly now, Carl Hall,

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<v Speaker 1>the man in the situation. He had gone to military

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<v Speaker 1>school with Paul Robert Greenlea's who is Bobby's adopted older brother.

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<v Speaker 3>And this guy, Carl.

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<v Speaker 1>Hall, had been planning for years to get his hands

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<v Speaker 1>on this family's money. He was like, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>do something to these people at some point, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to get their fucking money, which kind of sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like this Lewis guy, like he wants this family's fucking money.

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<v Speaker 1>And although he feels like he worked for it, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy just spotted a rich family.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't believe in killing children, obviously, that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't need to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Say to do a lot of illegal shit.

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<v Speaker 2>He deserved a fucking payout and not a basement apartment.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like they fucked him over and they're rich people,

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<v Speaker 2>like obviously they have no morals, and that family in particular, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>with the neighborhood and the shadiness in the LLCs, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>they're obviously not going to just pay people. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think Hoda deserved a couple million dollars sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, aside from being a child killer, but like just the.

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<v Speaker 3>For the work alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if no one died in the buildings of

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<v Speaker 2>US fires, that's that's incredible. That's the work. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>is disgusting. I really did not see it coming that

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<v Speaker 2>this little boy was murdered immediately. I've really I thought

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<v Speaker 2>this was honestly going to be like quick done, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were just going to be like and

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<v Speaker 2>then he was returned. I this is like horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Sadly, I'm sorry that's not the case, but there's more

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<v Speaker 1>like weirdness to this. Like so basically, once Carl and

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<v Speaker 1>Bonnie got the ransom money, they hit the road for

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Louis, which is about three hundred and eighty miles

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<v Speaker 1>away from Kansas City. After they got there, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>they went out to party that they had killed a

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<v Speaker 1>kid and gotte all this money, and Bonnie got really drunk,

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<v Speaker 1>Carl brought her to an apartment he'd rented in Saint Louis,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bonnie passed out. Carl immediately left, leaving her with

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<v Speaker 1>only two thousand dollars of the six hundred thousand, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he took a sex worker back to a motel.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the next day, on October six, he bought two

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<v Speaker 1>big garbage cans and a shovel, and his plan was

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<v Speaker 1>to bury the money, but he couldn't find a good

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<v Speaker 1>place to do it, and he had already also I think,

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<v Speaker 1>transferred the money to two big suitcases. This is like

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit relevant later from the duffel bag that

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<v Speaker 1>it was originally delivered him. So apparently he ditches these

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<v Speaker 1>cans and he goes back to his motel. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>gets suspicious about somebody hanging out his hotel, so he

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<v Speaker 1>changes to like hotel apartment in Saint Louis. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the same day, the Saint Louis Police Department gets a

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<v Speaker 1>call from a driver at the Ace cab company in

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Louis, and I also read that this. I've read

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<v Speaker 1>that this cab driver called the Saint Louis Police Department,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've also read that he tipped off his boss,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a mobster named Joe Costello, and that Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Costello called Lieutenant Louis Shoulders, who is a crooked Saint

1:13:55.000 --> 1:13:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Louis cop or it could be Lewis Shoulders, Louis Lewis,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Uh, you know, we have problems with

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<v Speaker 1>that name on this podcast. So this guy's a crooked cop.

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<v Speaker 1>Shoulders and his driver, this patrolman named Elmer Dolan, then

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<v Speaker 1>arrest Hall on October sixth, and the ransom money disappears.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody knows where it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Hall originally tells the cops that his name is John

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<v Speaker 1>James Byrne at first, but like you know, the jig

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<v Speaker 1>is up pretty quickly. He later directs cops to the

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<v Speaker 1>apartment where his girlfriend is passed out, and they arrest her,

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<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend and co conspirator. Hall was interrogated by the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI and law enforcement many times, and every time he insisted,

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<v Speaker 1>I had all the ransom money with me at the

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<v Speaker 1>time I was arrested, Like I had all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was all there in these two suitcases. So he

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<v Speaker 1>admitted finally to FBI agents the planning of the kidnapping.

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<v Speaker 1>The abduction of the victim, burying the body, picking up

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<v Speaker 1>the ransom money. But he at first he denied that

1:14:51.320 --> 1:14:53.080
<v Speaker 1>he killed Bobby, and he tried to pin it on

1:14:53.120 --> 1:14:56.479
<v Speaker 1>someone named Tom Marsh. He said he delivered Bobby to

1:14:56.560 --> 1:14:59.559
<v Speaker 1>this person named Tom Marsh. He later admitted that Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Marsh was made up person and that he and Bonnie

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<v Speaker 1>had done the entire crime on their own for the money.

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<v Speaker 1>So Bonnie Hetty also admitted to helping Hall in preparing

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<v Speaker 1>the ransom notes, and of going to the school and

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<v Speaker 1>actually being the one to take Bobby.

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<v Speaker 3>So they pretty much admitted all what's crazy is that

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<v Speaker 3>On SVU.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode aired season fourteen. The trial happened season seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Three years go by. You're about to hear about the

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<v Speaker 1>fastest criminal proceedings I've ever heard of in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if things have just gotten slower over time.

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<v Speaker 1>In the fifties, they were just plugging along. But these

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<v Speaker 1>people get arrested on like October seventh, October thirtieth.

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<v Speaker 3>They're in front of a judge.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, they're in front of judge Albert sew Times, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in federal court in Kansas City. They plead guilty on

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<v Speaker 1>November nineteenth, two and a half weeks later, the jury

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<v Speaker 1>hears the evidence, they recommend the death penalty after only

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<v Speaker 1>an hour and eight minutes of deliberation. Fifteen minutes after

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<v Speaker 1>the verdict was announced, the judge sentenced them to be

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<v Speaker 1>executed on December eighteenth. Judge Reeves said, quote, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the verdict fits the evidence. It is the most cold blooded,

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<v Speaker 1>brutal murder I have ever tried.

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<v Speaker 3>End quote. So, Carl Austin Hall.

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<v Speaker 1>And Bonnie Emily Hetty were executed together in Missouri's gas

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<v Speaker 1>chamber at the State Penitentiary in Jefferson City on December eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>like not even like three months from when they committed

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<v Speaker 1>the crime. From committing the crime to execution less than

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<v Speaker 1>three months. Hall was pronounced dead at twelve twelve and

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<v Speaker 1>Bonnie Hetty was pronounced dead twenty seconds later. Interestingly, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought Hetty is one of only four women who have

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<v Speaker 1>ever been executed by federal authorities as of twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>The first one was a Lincoln assassination conspirator conspirator named

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Serat in eighteen sixty five.

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<v Speaker 3>The second one was Ethel Rosenberg. We all know the Rosenberg.

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet spies in nineteen fifty three, just months before Hetty.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there was Bonnie Hetty. And the fourth woman is

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa Montgomery, the woman who killed and cut the baby

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<v Speaker 1>out of Bobby Joe Stinnett on the case that we covered,

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<v Speaker 1>and she actually was only executed back in Janie of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, and we personally on this podcast, like

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<v Speaker 1>rallied for her pardon because she had gone through so

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<v Speaker 1>much abuse in her life that there was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of evidence that she had brain damage and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think it was even though she committed a horrific crime,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of evidence that she was horribly abused

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<v Speaker 1>her entire life and had kind of a warped sense

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<v Speaker 1>of right and wrong. And I think lifelong incarceration would

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<v Speaker 1>have been fined for her. But she's the fourth woman

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<v Speaker 1>and she was just killed two years ago. So from

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<v Speaker 1>fifty three to twenty twenty one, the federal government did

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<v Speaker 1>not execute any women.

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<v Speaker 2>Well them being together, like so they're just in one

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<v Speaker 2>gas chamber together, that's I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It says that I think they got gas together. I

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe people they wanted to make like an example.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, but yeah, gas together, and over

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<v Speaker 1>half of the six hundred thousand dollars was never found.

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<v Speaker 1>An FBI investigation went into finding the two suitcases which

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<v Speaker 1>had all the ransom money, and they were apparently not

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<v Speaker 1>just never brought to the precinct. The money just disappeared

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<v Speaker 1>and according to the arresting officers, Lewis Shoulders, Lieutenant Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>Shoulders and Patrolman Elmer Dolan, they never made it to

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<v Speaker 1>the precinct. Both officers were subsequently federally indicted for perjury.

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<v Speaker 3>They were both convicted.

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<v Speaker 1>Shoulders got three years in prison, Dolan got two years

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<v Speaker 1>in prison, and after they were released from prison, they

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<v Speaker 1>both returned to the Saint Louis area and Shoulders died

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<v Speaker 1>a few years later and never fessed up to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dolan got a pardon from Lyndon B.

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<v Speaker 3>Johnson in nineteen sixty five. I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know where did this fucking money go.

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<v Speaker 1>I always wonder that sometimes, like the cops sew it

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<v Speaker 1>when we.

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<v Speaker 3>Watch these shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course they took it, but like it must

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<v Speaker 1>be it's different in this situation where it's like where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like this is money for a baby that was

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<v Speaker 1>killed or for a little kid that died. But like

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<v Speaker 1>when they go into like SVU and they all bust

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<v Speaker 1>a drug ring and it's just like packs and packs

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<v Speaker 1>of money, aren't they ever?

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<v Speaker 3>Like this is just drug money.

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<v Speaker 1>If I could just take a couple thousand, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I would be like, you know, not that drug

1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:08.880
<v Speaker 1>money doesn't have casualties. Of course it does, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not ransom for a child. So anyway, that's the sad

1:19:13.160 --> 1:19:15.559
<v Speaker 1>story of Bobby Greenley's. But I feel like I the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing of the first season of Perry Mason, the

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<v Speaker 1>new one that they did with Matthew Reese, was about

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<v Speaker 1>the abduction of a baby and the like the father's

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<v Speaker 1>family is kind of rich and like, I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we've seen this kind of thing before in TV

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<v Speaker 1>shows and stuff, and maybe it's all based on this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I had never heard of this case before. No, I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like they I can't believe they killed him immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I am against the death penalty, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>happy they got Yeah, they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Bad, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Ugh, sad because it really feels like they probably could

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<v Speaker 1>have just left him in a field and taking the money,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So well. Yeah, And it's also like, why did Hector

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<v Speaker 3>die and not Wyat?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well join us for a post mortem.

1:20:15.760 --> 1:20:19.519
<v Speaker 1>All right, post mortem time, baby, what did we learn?

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<v Speaker 1>Stay very close to your children when they're getting on

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<v Speaker 1>the subway.

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<v Speaker 3>That makes me so scared. The idea that is like.

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<v Speaker 1>My ultimate nightmare when I was a nanny too, Like

1:20:28.960 --> 1:20:30.800
<v Speaker 1>just the idea of getting separated from a kid we're

1:20:30.800 --> 1:20:32.360
<v Speaker 1>there on the train or there on the platform and

1:20:32.400 --> 1:20:34.719
<v Speaker 1>you're on the train, Like that is my like nightmare.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is really scary.

1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:39.960
<v Speaker 2>But also I've seen these kinds of I mean, this

1:20:40.000 --> 1:20:44.639
<v Speaker 2>guy was different because his goal was kidnapping, but I've

1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:48.080
<v Speaker 2>seen an action like money mind trick people. Like my

1:20:48.160 --> 1:20:50.240
<v Speaker 2>friend was a bartender and this guy walked in and

1:20:50.280 --> 1:20:52.640
<v Speaker 2>I truly like we all just watched her, and she

1:20:52.880 --> 1:20:55.680
<v Speaker 2>gave him money she didn't want to, and like immediately

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<v Speaker 2>we knew we were tricked, and we tried to find him,

1:20:57.880 --> 1:20:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and I followed him and then he ducked away like

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<v Speaker 2>he was truly a master sneak and mind control.

1:21:03.680 --> 1:21:05.960
<v Speaker 3>And this happened to a friend also in the neighborhood.

1:21:05.960 --> 1:21:08.640
<v Speaker 2>It's like this neighborhood guy, she was bartending, and he

1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:10.320
<v Speaker 2>walked in and she ended up giving him all this

1:21:10.360 --> 1:21:11.600
<v Speaker 2>money from the register.

1:21:11.439 --> 1:21:13.880
<v Speaker 3>Like because he mind tricked them.

1:21:14.240 --> 1:21:15.840
<v Speaker 2>It's a mind trick where he gives money, or like

1:21:15.880 --> 1:21:17.599
<v Speaker 2>someone gives you cash and goes, oh, no, I gave

1:21:17.640 --> 1:21:19.000
<v Speaker 2>you this, and then you're kind of like, oh, I

1:21:19.080 --> 1:21:21.479
<v Speaker 2>didn't realize, or like they ask for change and like

1:21:21.560 --> 1:21:24.759
<v Speaker 2>he whirl wins you in a way. And I watched

1:21:24.760 --> 1:21:26.960
<v Speaker 2>it happen once and then I had another friend where

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<v Speaker 2>it happened to in the same neighborhood where it's like

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<v Speaker 2>you just they like hypnotize you in this wild way,

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<v Speaker 2>because why else would he pick up that money.

1:21:37.120 --> 1:21:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Like I want to be like be vigilant. Fuck money.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's trying to trick you, like if someone drops you,

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<v Speaker 2>like don't do it, but they're good at tricking you

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<v Speaker 2>to thinking you should pick up that cash, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you never think it's gonna be you, and then you're

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<v Speaker 2>in the call. It's kind of like our friend who

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<v Speaker 2>nailed glued, you know, her her fangs, vampire fanks to

1:21:58.439 --> 1:22:01.479
<v Speaker 2>her teeth. She her big thing is like you make

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<v Speaker 2>fun of the gorilla glue girl, and then you're the

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<v Speaker 2>gorilla glue girl.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's you no.

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<v Speaker 1>And it reminds me too of a person I knew

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<v Speaker 1>who a psychic took them to an ATM and was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to take out all your money so I

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<v Speaker 1>can like bless it or whatever and give it to me,

1:22:13.160 --> 1:22:15.559
<v Speaker 1>and just the psychic fully robbed her.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

1:22:17.360 --> 1:22:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Luckily she didn't have that much money, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was a few hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>The psychic rabbed her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sometimes I don't know if that was a mind

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<v Speaker 1>trick so much as somebody being very gullible and believing

1:22:28.200 --> 1:22:30.920
<v Speaker 1>everything a psychic tells them to do. But what else

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, I mean, this episode's stressful. Missing children is

1:22:34.320 --> 1:22:37.160
<v Speaker 1>obviously very a stressful thing for me to think about.

1:22:37.560 --> 1:22:40.479
<v Speaker 1>But I'm glad they found a little wyat, but not

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sad about what happened to Hector.

1:22:43.520 --> 1:22:45.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like how do you keep living?

1:22:45.200 --> 1:22:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the mom is just so sad, and that the

1:22:49.720 --> 1:22:53.000
<v Speaker 2>cops fucked up so long ago, like that Kragan, even

1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:55.080
<v Speaker 2>this guy that we see as like a good cop

1:22:55.200 --> 1:22:59.240
<v Speaker 2>or whatnot. It was so gung ho of like yeah, whatever,

1:22:59.520 --> 1:23:01.639
<v Speaker 2>dad took custody and we're done, and it's.

1:23:01.520 --> 1:23:02.639
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, the fuck.

1:23:03.880 --> 1:23:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was weird that they were so willing to

1:23:06.000 --> 1:23:08.720
<v Speaker 1>just be like, oh, this is what happened, like you know,

1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:13.120
<v Speaker 1>and the real case is so wild. But I guess

1:23:13.120 --> 1:23:16.799
<v Speaker 1>it's like in the fifties people were just like walking

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<v Speaker 1>into schools and saying, I'm your aunt, come with me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1:23:20.280 --> 1:23:23.960
<v Speaker 2>It's so because now it's so many signatures. Oh yeah

1:23:24.120 --> 1:23:24.320
<v Speaker 2>you have.

1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:28.599
<v Speaker 1>There's like a list of only certain people, and there's apps.

1:23:28.680 --> 1:23:31.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's like, really, you know, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just heard that a Chucky cheese they put a little

1:23:33.439 --> 1:23:35.599
<v Speaker 1>bracelet on the kids that they can't leave or go

1:23:35.680 --> 1:23:37.559
<v Speaker 1>with anybody else that has to match the parents.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, that's genius.

1:23:39.120 --> 1:23:41.080
<v Speaker 1>They did at the hospital when I had child, they

1:23:41.080 --> 1:23:42.960
<v Speaker 1>put a little lowjack on them so that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>do any baby swapping.

1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:48.720
<v Speaker 3>Damn yeah, child.

1:23:48.520 --> 1:23:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Casino anyway, Uh yeah, take care of your kids, be

1:23:58.120 --> 1:24:01.000
<v Speaker 2>nice and don't be I have your rich kid.

1:24:01.360 --> 1:24:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you're a fucking.

1:24:02.320 --> 1:24:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Multimillionaire, pay the people that do your dirty work so

1:24:05.040 --> 1:24:05.639
<v Speaker 1>they don't.

1:24:05.479 --> 1:24:07.839
<v Speaker 3>Fucking kidnap your kid. Jesus.

1:24:08.520 --> 1:24:11.599
<v Speaker 2>She rich people are so cheap at times, like fuck,

1:24:11.720 --> 1:24:15.519
<v Speaker 2>get it together. Yeah, I mean, the boy didn't deserve it.

1:24:15.560 --> 1:24:17.360
<v Speaker 2>They should have kidnapped the dad and I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>even bad at.

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<v Speaker 1>It, And his ex wife wouldn't have given a shit either.

1:24:22.200 --> 1:24:23.600
<v Speaker 1>She would have been like, great, he's late all the

1:24:23.640 --> 1:24:24.240
<v Speaker 1>time anyway.

1:24:24.720 --> 1:24:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean to only see your kid once every

1:24:27.040 --> 1:24:29.320
<v Speaker 2>two weeks and still be an hour and a half late,

1:24:29.400 --> 1:24:30.200
<v Speaker 2>You're a piece of shit.

1:24:30.760 --> 1:24:33.400
<v Speaker 1>And then bring him to like meet your girlfriend where

1:24:33.439 --> 1:24:36.120
<v Speaker 1>she works, like just like dedicate the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn.

1:24:36.560 --> 1:24:36.760
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1:24:36.840 --> 1:24:39.160
<v Speaker 1>This guy's a dick, But I'm wonderful When I saw

1:24:39.240 --> 1:24:42.920
<v Speaker 1>him in Twelfth Night at the Shakespeare in the Park.

1:24:43.040 --> 1:24:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Dude, Andrew Reynolds and Josh Gadwaran watch What Happens Live

1:24:46.320 --> 1:24:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and like, Andrew Rynolds, what a Broadway career. I don't

1:24:50.360 --> 1:24:53.479
<v Speaker 2>think I realized what a star he is. Oh yeah,

1:24:53.520 --> 1:24:55.040
<v Speaker 2>I knew put a Mormon, but he was like in

1:24:55.080 --> 1:24:57.040
<v Speaker 2>the Hairspray and too that, like he's in.

1:24:57.800 --> 1:25:00.080
<v Speaker 1>So were you the one telling me that he's like

1:25:00.439 --> 1:25:03.360
<v Speaker 1>always off book, like from rehearsal one and he's like

1:25:03.640 --> 1:25:06.240
<v Speaker 1>somebody was telling me he's like so professional and like

1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:09.479
<v Speaker 1>so good and just knows like how to do everything

1:25:09.520 --> 1:25:12.599
<v Speaker 1>from the day like from day one. I forgot who

1:25:12.640 --> 1:25:14.280
<v Speaker 1>it was telling me, But like somebody was like, Oh,

1:25:14.320 --> 1:25:18.120
<v Speaker 1>he's just like so good at what he does. Like, wow,

1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:20.200
<v Speaker 1>I love him. I love him and like I loved

1:25:20.240 --> 1:25:22.200
<v Speaker 1>him in Girls, I loved him in Black Monday. I

1:25:22.240 --> 1:25:24.559
<v Speaker 1>like him when he does like just straight up acting

1:25:24.640 --> 1:25:30.599
<v Speaker 1>stuff too, not just musicals. But I saw him in No,

1:25:30.680 --> 1:25:31.920
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see him in Book of Mormon.

1:25:31.960 --> 1:25:33.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't think. I don't think I saw the original

1:25:33.600 --> 1:25:34.040
<v Speaker 3>cat Now.

1:25:34.080 --> 1:25:36.280
<v Speaker 2>I saw the Chicago touring. I kind of want to

1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:38.679
<v Speaker 2>see it again though, but only with him.

1:25:39.200 --> 1:25:40.600
<v Speaker 1>But I saw, you know, I saw a Book of

1:25:40.680 --> 1:25:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Mormon for like sixty dollars because I think I saw

1:25:42.880 --> 1:25:44.960
<v Speaker 1>it at the end of previews, so it's possible I

1:25:45.000 --> 1:25:45.760
<v Speaker 1>saw it with them.

1:25:46.160 --> 1:25:49.000
<v Speaker 2>No, I hope. I hope to meet him. I love

1:25:49.040 --> 1:25:53.720
<v Speaker 2>a professional cutie. He seems sweet and amazing and I'm

1:25:53.760 --> 1:25:57.360
<v Speaker 2>a big fan. I'm a huge fan of him. Yeah,

1:25:57.360 --> 1:25:59.640
<v Speaker 2>he's the best. He needs studyosvo.

1:26:00.960 --> 1:26:03.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, then we can have him on the pod

1:26:04.479 --> 1:26:06.960
<v Speaker 1>him as like a killer like that you don't suspect.

1:26:07.120 --> 1:26:08.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh that would be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's get into or what would Sister Peg do

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<v Speaker 1>for the week. This is our weekly segment where we

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<v Speaker 1>point you to an organization, a blog, a book, a movie,

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<v Speaker 1>something to give you more info about what we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about today, and we thought we would point you guys

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<v Speaker 1>this week to the International Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a group that works to protect children around the

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<v Speaker 1>world from going missing by providing resources for governments, law enforcement, NGOs,

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<v Speaker 1>and families on prevention as well as the appropriate actions

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<v Speaker 1>to take in the event that a child does go missing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought this was interesting because, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>the episode, they think he's in the Dominican Republic. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>why wouldn't there be a an ability to look for

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<v Speaker 1>him there? You know, I think organizations like this help

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<v Speaker 1>sort of probably bridge a lot of those gaps. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's a I seemec dot org. That's uh ikmic dot org,

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<v Speaker 1>I seemec dot org and that will be posted in

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