1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio Welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this the 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. You know, it's 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: the top of the week, which means it's time for 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: strange news, but it is also Valentine's Day here in 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: the United States. I think it was I want to 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: say brain stuff. Years ago. I did some deep dive 14 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: into the history of Valentine's stated that maybe incorrect. But 15 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: just quick advice before we get to uh to the 16 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: strange news today. Folks, if you have a loved one 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: who tells you that they don't want anything for this 18 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: holiday and that it's fraudulent, it's just making money for Hallmark, 19 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: just give them something like a little thing. Just play 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: it safe, you know what I mean, because the fomo 21 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: is real, uh, And then also do something when it's 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: not Valentine's Day. What do you guys think about that? 23 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I think the sentiment that 24 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: it's the thought that counts UH can be very powerful. 25 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely true. Just thinking of somebody and 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: doing a little extra something can go a long way. Yeah, 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: in my experience it's UH. If you spend your time 28 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: on someone, it speaks much louder than the price that 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: you pay for whatever. That thing is true, well said 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: time is the only real currency. I would argue it's 31 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: it's the one thing people aren't making more of these days, right, 32 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: So UH, with that, we do have just a little 33 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: weird story at the very end, UH in honor of 34 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: Valentine's Day. In honor of UH. Anyway, before we get 35 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: to that, we are traveling across the world today, fellow 36 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist. We're going to East Asia. We're going to 37 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: the border of Mexico and the US. We're also going 38 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: to the Hermit Kingdom. We're gonna talk about the scary 39 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: future of robots. We're gonna talk about the scary future 40 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: of state censorship but maybe with a little bit of inspiration, 41 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about the House of Cards, which 42 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: is known as the Internet and ken fall much more 43 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: easily than most people would like to believe. But let's 44 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: let's go to uh, maybe let's go to China first, 45 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: and know, you have a story that I think we 46 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: were all keeping eyes on here. It's something that leads us. 47 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: I think it's inspirational, but it also leads to a 48 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: much larger conversation. As you pointed out off air, Yeah, 49 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: it's certainly has the potential to be a positive, but 50 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: it also raises a lot of questions about how deep 51 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: government censorship can and does go, especially in China or 52 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: places where the government, you know, literally controls the media. 53 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: We recently did a story I can't remember if it 54 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: was Strange News or listener mail, but it was about 55 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: the company ten Cent, which is a massive, massive monolith 56 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: in China in terms of video games UM specifically mobile 57 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: video games. And also as a surprise to me, I 58 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: didn't quite realize this. It's one of the largest, if 59 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: not the largest video streaming companies in China and uh, 60 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: the movie fight Club UM is one of the titles 61 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: that ten Cent owns the copyright for in China for 62 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: for streaming, so even other streaming services that exist, fight 63 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: Club is not on those It is only on ten cent. 64 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: And often times we know that when films get released 65 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: in China, in order to make sure that they can 66 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: make money off of the many millions of humans in 67 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: that country. Uh, sometimes the studios tend to be okay 68 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: with certain types of censorship versions of of films. For example, 69 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: there was a version of the movie I believe it's 70 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: called Lord of War Cage Nick Cage, where he plays 71 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: like an arms dealer type dude. I actually haven't seen 72 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: the movie, but apparently in the American version mild spoilers 73 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: for older movies here in this segment, by the way, 74 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: uh so Um. In the ending of the American version 75 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: of Lord of War, h Nicolas Cage's character gets away 76 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: scott free after presumably reaking all kinds of havoc, you know, 77 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: through the arms trade. But in the Chinese version, Um, 78 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: there is a I don't know exactly how they accomplished it, 79 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: probably just with like a subtitle that flashes across the screen. Um, 80 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: but it says that he is sentenced to life in prison. Uh, 81 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: and he does not get away with it. Um. That 82 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: is the case for we're talking about today the movie 83 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: Fight Clubs again spoilers for a movie from If you 84 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: have not seen Fight Club, maybe skip this one. If 85 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: you have and you remember really loving it when you 86 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: were younger, as I did, I think as many of 87 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: us did. Nine was a big year for movies. Um, 88 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't quite hold up quite as well as you 89 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: might think. There's a lot of real toxic masculinity and machismo, 90 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: and there's some things in it that certainly did not 91 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: age well read, and it's arguably kind of the point 92 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: is to show those things. It is arguably kind of 93 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: the point, but you could also argue that the film 94 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,119 Speaker 1: version goes pretty far to glorify some of those things, 95 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: while the book version, to Ben's point, I think makes 96 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: the satire of it all a little clearer. The book, 97 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: of Course, by Chuck palinik Um, Who's got got a 98 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: lot of really fund reads um if you're into kind 99 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: of mind bending you know fiction. But the ending of 100 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: the film version of Fight Club has uh Edward Norton's 101 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: character kind of squaring off against his spoiler coming imaginary friend, 102 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: imaginary enemy friend friend of me um played by Brad 103 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,559 Speaker 1: Pitt Tyler Dirton, who you don't realize isn't real until 104 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: somewhere in the third act I believe of the film, Um, 105 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: he is an anarchist kind of character who is laying 106 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: all these plans to plunge the world or the country 107 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: into kind of a new dark ages. You know, it's 108 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: sort of do a reset um with erasing all debts, 109 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: eracing you know, financial gains of corporations, essentially bringing down 110 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: the economy, the global capitalist system, sort of like what 111 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: he's fighting against us throughout the movie. And at the 112 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: end of the film that directed by David Fincher, we 113 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: see the character played by Edward Norton essentially killing off 114 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: the part of his brain. It's a little dubious. He 115 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,239 Speaker 1: he shoots himself in the head, I think, but only 116 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: partially and and just so that he eliminates the part 117 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: of his brain that Tyler Dirton exists him. I think 118 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: that's the implication. And I remembering that correctly. Chuck Powell, 119 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: look not a not a brain surgeon. You can do 120 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: brain surgery with a close, point blank shot to the head. 121 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: Well check out pennies gage people win the lottery of 122 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: that high impact stuff. But that's I mean, but that's 123 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: not that's an interesting story, right, But you're making a 124 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: great point. And that's that's not why. That's obviously not 125 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: quite how it works out in China, because Tencent was 126 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: asked to obey the government's guidelines right for censorship from 127 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: no go areas, and and you mentioned something really interesting here. 128 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: All they they did get closer to the book, but 129 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: from what I understand, they kind of phoned it in, 130 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's a bunch of title cards 131 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: and text, right, It's it's title cards in text. And 132 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: I was getting to the part that happens next, which 133 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: is the last scene in the American version, where after 134 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: eliminating this anarchist alter ego, you know, imaginary friend, alternate personality, 135 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: um Marla Singer who is the love interest of the 136 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: movie played by Helena Bottom Carter and Edward Norton's character, 137 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: who I think doesn't even have a name, if I'm 138 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: not mistaughout the whole movie, they just call it. Yeah, 139 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: he's just narrator. Um. They hold hands in this abandoned 140 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: office building and watch all of these buildings in the 141 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: distance explode, presumably kicking off you know, Tyler Dirton's master 142 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: plan of bringing down you know, the global economy. Um, 143 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: that's not how it goes in the ten cent version. 144 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: In the dead set version, I haven't seen it, but 145 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: I guess they cut away or they cut the black 146 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: before that happens. I think they even eliminate the whole 147 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: part about him killing Tyler Dirton. Uh. They may even 148 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: eliminate the twist that he isn't real, because the title 149 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: card reads uh interestingly as follows quote, the police rapidly 150 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: figured out the whole plan and arrested all criminals, successfully 151 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: preventing the bomb from exploding. After the trial, Tyler after 152 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: the trial, Yeah, so they're treating him like a real person. 153 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: After the trial, Tyler was sent to a lunatic asylum 154 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: receiving psychological treatment and roll credits, but he was he 155 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: was discharged from the hospital in two thousand twelve. It says, 156 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: and see that okay, great, good to know. So he's 157 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: he's okay, He's okay um. Which is interesting because this 158 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: because it actually calls back to another famous adaptation um 159 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: from from novel to film Clockwork Orange, where in the 160 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: book version, the main character Alex Uh, after being you know, 161 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: psychologically put through the ringer to quote cure him of 162 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: his psychopathic kind of urges, he is in fact healed 163 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: or you know, saved or whatever you wanna call it, 164 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: made normal, I guess, and that there's a whole another 165 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: chapter in the book version of Clockwork Orange where he 166 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: kind of runs into his old like drugs, his old 167 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: mates or whatever, and sort of sadly observes them from 168 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: a disc while also making it clear that he doesn't 169 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: share their kind of blood lust anymore. But in the 170 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: movie version he is cured from being cured, or at 171 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: least that's the implication. Um in the book version of 172 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: Fight Club, that's what happens with Edward Norton's character. Essentially, 173 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: Oh no, quick note on Clockwork Orange. It's the the 174 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: censorship occurs before the film. It's the American book that 175 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: had the final chapter removed. The US book has the 176 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: has the whole chapter. But but it was referring to 177 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: the censorship of the book than just the difference between 178 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: the book and the movie, because the movie version like 179 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: essentially operates under you know, that last chapter not being 180 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: a thing. So I don't know, it's a creative choice. 181 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: I think it was more of a creative choice by 182 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: Stanley kubern as as clearly was this you know by 183 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: by David Fincher to to go with that more nihilistic ending, 184 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: so all as well at the end of the Chinese 185 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: ten cent censored version of Fight Club. But apparently a 186 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: news of this and these cuts kind of spread pretty quickly, 187 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of debate and miming, you know, 188 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: and kind of poking fun at the Chinese government's degree 189 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: of censorship here, and it made so much noise that 190 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: the Chinese government, the censors quietly put it back the 191 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: way it was originally, um, with you know, the buildings 192 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: collapsing and with you know, Edward Dorton killing off Tyler 193 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: Dirton's character. And again, like I was saying, the the 194 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: interesting part is the way that Chuck ballenas book ends 195 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: is much more in line with that title card, uh, 196 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: and also much more in line with the way that 197 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: cluppork Orengen's And it's you know, it's not unheard of 198 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: for China to reverse these kinds of choices. But we're 199 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: talking off air, and and there are a lot of 200 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: questions like was there some real you know, motivation for 201 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: them to do this outside of just like the public 202 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: back clash, And I'm pretty certain the answer is no, Um, 203 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: that they were just kind of embarrassed, and it went 204 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 1: so viral that they just quietly decided to put the 205 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: few minutes that they had cut back in. UM. Actually 206 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: they had cut twelve minutes, UM, so that that would 207 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: probably include the part that explained the twist, and you 208 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: know the part there's a whole you know sequence at 209 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: the end before the buildings explode where Edward Norton shoots himself. 210 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: Uh So there are still some cuts, um that exist 211 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: in the tensent version, removing some nudity in a sex 212 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: scene between Brad Pitt and plant A Bottom Carter's characters. 213 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: UM ten Cent did not respond to The Hollywood Reporter 214 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: for a comment on this, which tracks UM. But it 215 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: is on the surface, maybe seemingly a little innocuous, the 216 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: whole thing in the cut, UM, but it really does 217 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: change the whole meaning of the movie. I mean, everyone 218 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: I think remembers from that movie that twist, and that's 219 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: probably the part that made it makes to you know, 220 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: indelible impression on so many of our young minds. That 221 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: goes into my theory. Man. I mean, I'll hold I'll 222 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: hold till the pace because I brought this up earlier, 223 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: so so Okay, here's what I think has happened, And 224 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: I have the list of the censorship um trip wires 225 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: you could call them for media in China, and US 226 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: studios are actually hiring Chinese nationals to be experts on 227 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: censorship to make sure things can get the green light 228 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: because it's such a big market. But Fight Club comes out, 229 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: like you pointed out, in as a film adaptation of 230 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: a book. The book is much easier to get in China, 231 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: and people have traveled, there have been you know, there's 232 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: been what like a more than twenty years opportunity for 233 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: people to get knowledge of this film and the story. 234 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: So the story the way it's supposed to be is 235 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: already pretty well known, I think to two people in China. 236 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: The danger is like if if it came out today, 237 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: if it was a film, then people living in the 238 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: country would be less likely to know what was supposed 239 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: to happen. So the censorship here is kind of pointless, right, 240 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: And I think that's part of the mockery, right, is 241 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: because everybody, not everybody, but it's common knowledge that amazing 242 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: twist or that you know, beautiful just so twist that 243 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: you're talking about. I think it's much more difficult to 244 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: try to control that information. It's like saying we're gonna 245 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: show Citizen Kane, but nobody mentioned Rosebud. People know, you know, yeah, no, 246 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: it's true. It definitely is a Zeitgeiste type thing. You know. 247 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: That was also like kind of the era of like 248 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: big giant twists, you know, and them night Shy Milan 249 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: and all that. I was sort of his heyday. I 250 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: believe sixth Cents maybe came out as well the whole time, 251 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: right high, Well, I think we're I think we're pastu 252 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: to limitations for all of these spoilers. But um did 253 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: my best to try to give some spoiler alerts on 254 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: this segment. Um, but this is you know, this is 255 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: absolutely one of the least and you're right, it is silly. 256 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: It's silly because that it's a movie that's been out 257 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: for a very long time. Um, news of that twist 258 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: ending will have traveled and again the movie was has 259 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: been available in the uncensored format. I believe, you know, probably, 260 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: if if not in bootleg versions in officially sanctioned versions 261 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: for for many many years there. Um, But here here's 262 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: the thing. Twentieth century Fox, Um, obviously a massive studio here. 263 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: They put out the film Bohemian Rhapsody, which one tons 264 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: of oscars in UM. It was given a theatrical release 265 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: in China, but the censors required them to remove any 266 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: mention of Freddie Mercury being gay. And that's a big deal. 267 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: That's the real problem. I mean, you know, the studios 268 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: obviously want to make money and capitalize on all those 269 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: humans we talked about in China, and they did. They 270 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: made fourteen million dollars on the movie. But a lot 271 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: of human rights groups were pretty pot at Fox for 272 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: letting Beijing insist on those kind of cuts, which you 273 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: would refer to as straight washing. UM. Also, Hollywood Reporter 274 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: piece that I mentioned that kind of got the scoop 275 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: on the story UM by Patrick Brewski pointed out that UM, 276 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: the Friends Reunion, the much lauded Friends Reunion that Warner 277 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: Media put out UM was allowed to be released in 278 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: China as long as it removed a single, very small 279 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: cameo by Lady Gaga UM. And the reason for that 280 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: is she is apparently absolutely you know, canceled in China 281 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: because she met with the Dolli Lama briefly once in 282 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen. So like all of these ideological things 283 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: are super troubling, and I think the fight club you 284 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: know situation just kind of points like maybe a more 285 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: innocuous version, but there are much more insidious versions of 286 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: this kind of censorship that do go on. It's weird 287 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: to think that right now that this type of almost 288 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: passive thought control is it's still plays like it's still 289 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: happening right now. It's happening in China, yes, because of 290 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: the regime, because of the control the control structures that 291 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: they have on most of their populace. There their attempt 292 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 1: to control the things that people can hear and see 293 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: and think. But make no mistake that that's happening across 294 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: the board everybody, and whether you're you know, whether or 295 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: not a government is a you know, attempting to do 296 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: it in this particular way. Just the information that we 297 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: have access to is in some subtle ways controlled the 298 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: websites to m think about that right now. That's goes 299 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: back to the polin neck things. It's weird to see 300 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: a version of it. The that is so obvious, as 301 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: you said, Ben, because of the amount of time that's 302 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: passed since that idea has existed, Like attempting to control 303 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: it now doesn't make sense, but controlling the ideas coming 304 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,479 Speaker 1: out of the pipeline are much that's much more easily 305 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: diverted as its first escaping. I've got some great research 306 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: on this guy's if you're into it, I think it's 307 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: an episode well, and it's also like I mean, because 308 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: they control the Internet as well, it's harder. You know, 309 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: you gotta wonder with what level of precision they can 310 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: filter out information. Maybe you can answer that, Ben. It 311 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: seems like it would be difficult, but maybe not as 312 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: difficult as I might think. Like it could be that 313 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: they're keywords that are flagged or something and that are 314 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: literally filtered out. So people could even do their own 315 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: homework and figure out if a censorship issue is causing 316 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: them to miss something that you know, they would have 317 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: very little recourse to find out either way. I mean, 318 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: is it can maybe there's something to hold on for 319 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: the episode. But what level of censorship, you know, what 320 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: level of precision in the censorship of the Internet is possible. 321 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: It's a question that is the subject of a lot 322 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: of speculation, because, as you can imagine, the people who 323 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: are capable of censoring things don't want to reveal the 324 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: level of surveillance that they're capable of implementing. You know 325 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: what I mean. It is, ah, it is by purpose 326 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: a bit of a black box. But let's crack it open. 327 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: Stay tuned, everybody, Let's crack it open. And let's see 328 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: if China censors the end of that episode. How cool 329 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: would that be because it is completely possible to deep 330 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: fake people's voices. Now, speaking of which, I just want 331 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: to point something out I saw recently that was super cool. 332 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: I think largely when we see like d aging technology 333 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: and things and movies, oftentimes a little bit of a 334 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: laughable moment, like even in The Irishman, which is, you know, 335 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: a very very expensive movie. The thing that took me 336 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: out of that the most was all the d aging 337 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: stuff with Joe as She and and and al Pacino 338 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: and Robert de Niro. Still it's still a great movie, 339 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: but that stuff always really bugged me. But I watched 340 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: the most the next the next most recent episode of 341 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: The Righteous Gemstones on HBO, and there is a flashback 342 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: episode that uses what, in my opinion, is some of 343 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: the best, least uncanny, valley, least noticeable d aging effects 344 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: on John Goodman that I've ever seen in my life. Um, 345 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: I was totally convinced, and I just thought it was 346 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: absolutely spectacular. So that technology is just getting better and 347 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,719 Speaker 1: better and better. Uh. And it can be used, you know, 348 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: to make movie magic, or it can be used to 349 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: make people say things they didn't really say. So keep 350 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: an eye on that stuff. And with that, let's take 351 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: a quick break and they'll be back with more strange news. 352 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: And we've returned before we jump into this story, guys, 353 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: do you remember a little while ago, I couldn't tell 354 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: exactly how many months we had a discussion about our 355 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: four legged friends and their robotic versions, and this one 356 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: little little company that decided it would be a fun 357 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: move to throw a sniper rifle on top of one 358 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: of those robot dogs. Yes, okay, okay, good well, we're 359 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about them again today and a 360 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: wider initiative by the United States government hall and the 361 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: name of that company, by the way, is Ghost Robotics, 362 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: Ghost Robotics UM, specializing in robot dogs. Okay, whatever. Anyway, 363 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: our story comes to us from our friends at the 364 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: Guardian and then also via the official website of the 365 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: Science and Technology Directorate, the Research and Development advisor to 366 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: the U. S Department of Homeland Security. Oh there's acronyms 367 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: in this episode, you guys. All right, so let's jull me. Yes, 368 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: let's jump to the Guardian US tests of robotic patrol 369 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: dogs on Mexican border. Prompt outcry, of course they do. 370 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: Why would they not? Of course they prompted outcry. Come on, 371 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: all right. I'm not even gonna read too much from 372 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: this article from the Guardian, but you can read that, 373 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: and I'm giving you the title. It was posted on 374 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: February four, written by Oliver Holmes. You can read the 375 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: short post. It is very short post there, but it 376 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: is just letting you know that in El Paso, Texas, 377 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: there are tests being done by the very same robotic 378 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: dogs that Ghost Robotics has been developing. Their small quadrupedal 379 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: look like dogs. They weigh about a hundred pounds or 380 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: uh that's at least according to the Guardian article. Um. 381 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: If you jump to the Science of Technology Directorate over 382 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: DHS dot gov, they say they weigh about a hundred 383 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: pounds UM. But that does not include payload, right, because 384 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: these things can be they can have all kinds of 385 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: different payloads, though ones that are important for this story 386 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: are the camera payloads, stuff that's basically gonna be used 387 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: for surveillance, not so much the projectiles those are coming. Yeah, anyway, 388 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: you can read all about this. I'll just give you 389 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: a little bit of info. Let's see. Um, the goal 390 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: of the program, according to DHS Department of Homeland Security, 391 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: is to leverage technology to force multiply the CBP presence, 392 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: which is US Customs and Border Protection presence, as well 393 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: as reduce human exposure to life threatening hazards and what 394 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: do they call life threatening hazards all kinds of things 395 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: like the heat it's out there by the US Mexican border. Uh, 396 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: the natural thing is that they could come encounter with 397 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: like dehydration because of the heat, the dangers of let's say, 398 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: a threatening human presence for because of drug trafficking or 399 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: human trafficking. That's activities that are going on and there 400 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: may be a threat to human lives if their border 401 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: patrol agents there. Um, they're basically saying that these dogs 402 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: will be able to get through any heat, any weather, 403 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: any problems like that. Since they are not human, you're 404 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: not putting human lives in danger with their presence. Um, 405 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: they're basically saying all around, this is a great idea, 406 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: we should do this. And Ghost Robotics has been working 407 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: on this with the Science and Technology Directorate for over 408 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: two years, about two and a half years. They've been 409 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: working on specifications, development and capability testing. It's kind of weird. 410 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: It's kind of weird, you guys. Another another acronym you 411 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: need to know is what is it a g s V, 412 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: which stands for animated ground surveillance vehicles. It's a weird 413 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: way to think about a robo dog. Well so in 414 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: this in this case though, I mean there the idea, right, 415 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: The defense of this idea is that they're just deploying 416 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,959 Speaker 1: a much more mobile platform for cameras, and cameras already 417 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: exist at certain points across the border. I think what 418 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: you and I are incredibly cynical and concerned about is 419 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: just how long it takes before, as you said, projectiles 420 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: start becoming part of the payload. Right, Yeah, And these 421 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: these things are being used in conjunction with human forces, 422 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: human counterparts. Right. If you imagine in your mind, imagine 423 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: several border patrol agents with something like a t v S, right, 424 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: like an all trained vehicle. Those four wheelers. Imagine them 425 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: on those with a couple of these robo dogs hanging 426 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: around in tow or maybe going out a little bit 427 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: further where it's maybe the trains a little more difficult 428 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: for the a TV to get through, so you let 429 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: the dog go for a while. That's what's happening right now. 430 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: That's what how, that's how the tests are being carried out. Yes, 431 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: you're right, Ben. The future is what's terrifying to me, 432 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: the point where humans are no longer needed at the border. 433 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: You've got these not these robodogs, but let's say five 434 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: versions from now or something like that, where they're quite 435 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: a bit larger, they're quite a bit more dangerous when 436 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: it comes to what like the type of weapon they 437 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: could actually deploy if they do encounter any kind of resistance. 438 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: And the you know, the rules that are basically put 439 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: in place with these you know machines that are patrolling 440 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: the border, deciding who comes, who goes, what's legal, what's not? 441 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: And uh, the AI what is the AI prosecutor system 442 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: that allows them to be judge dread or not? Oh god? 443 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: And when did they when did they get um? When 444 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: are they considered? Like? First off, right, the next step 445 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: for this technology is always going to be networking, right, 446 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: hive minding it? So what happens when that thing? Uh? 447 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: Does will that ever come before a court? Uh? In 448 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: terms of like being granted legal personhood or sentience? Does 449 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: the ability to decide to injure or kill a human 450 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: being mean that the thing do it making that decision? 451 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: Is therefore sentient? Is? Is it aware of its actions? So? 452 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: I haven't reading a lot of sci fi recently. I 453 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: was just trying to escape these different like psychological studies 454 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: and history books I'm reading for something else. Uh. And 455 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: I just got to recommend great conversation about this related 456 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: to this concept is a book called bare Head by 457 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: Adrian Tchaikovsky, one of my new uh, one of my 458 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: new favorite sci fi writers British dude, But Matt, these 459 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: questions become increasingly less academic and increasingly more practical and 460 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: immediate pretty soon. I mean, also, what happens when someone 461 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: hacks that thing? Right? People? Can you imagine people are 462 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: trying to get over the border. It's probably not going 463 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: to be innocent civilians. It would be a cartel. Why 464 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't a cartel capture this and then try to get 465 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: into the network of these uh what was our what 466 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: was our acronym for these guys for the vehicles as 467 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: automated grown vehicles. They could like aggs. Yeah, they could 468 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: have put dogs in there. They could add some fun 469 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: with it. But I mean, well, I mean it's you know, 470 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: I was hearing some stats about like the current administration's 471 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 1: progress or whatever, and one of them was I believe 472 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: that drone strikes are down, which you know, depending on 473 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: who you are, probably could be seen as a positive thing. 474 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: But well, you know, about drone strikes, I think for 475 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: the most part, there's some automation that's involved, but there 476 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: are drone operators you know, that are using human intuition 477 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: and human probably them solving skills and the ability to 478 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: kind of you know, change given conditions. Doesn't always work, 479 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: but um at least there's some of that with these things, 480 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: with these guys that we're talking about. This would be 481 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: like purely AI and programmed with like a set of 482 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, parameters, I guess, and I think there's a 483 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: lot of human situations that exists outside of programmable parameters, 484 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: as we've seen with um self driving cars and things 485 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: like that. So this that that's certainly, full automation of 486 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: anything that involves killing humans always kind of strikes me 487 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: as a bad idea. Well yeah, but here here's the 488 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: counter argument to the human element during border patrol situations 489 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: in another Guardian article titled US border agents engaged in 490 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: quote shocking abuses against asylum seekers, report finds. This is 491 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: posted October twenty one one last year, written by Ed Pilkington, 492 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: and it just really it goes over several instances, numerous 493 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: instances where the human element was a very negative thing, 494 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: and it's just because there are there are good and 495 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: bad actors in all things, right, Um, and you're right, 496 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm not saying a robot dog is going to do 497 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: a better job necessarily. I think you probably lessen the 498 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: possibility that there may be some you know, sexual abuse 499 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: going on in an interaction. But it's it's just a 500 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: whole different thing that needs to be discussed, really thought about. Agreed, 501 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: And an encounter to that counter, let's see how far 502 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: we can matushka. This counter to encounters to that counter 503 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: is that a tool is ultimately the reflection of the 504 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: intentions and the aims of the person who built the 505 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: tool or that created it, Right, And that's a huge 506 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: problem in AI ethics right now. That's part of why 507 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: facial recognition is so bleep me here, doc, and and 508 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: probably will be for quite some time. So if there 509 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: is an imperfect creator, the technology itself will carry those 510 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: imperfections or has a very high likelihood too. I mean, 511 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: of course that I'm saying this not to dismiss that argument, 512 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: because I think it is a very valid argument. But 513 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of like how anytime you see someone in disguise, 514 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: you're really seeing an autobiography of the person wearing the disguise. 515 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: So I I would I would say, you know, and 516 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: like the choices they make. So I would say in 517 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: this case, not not to wax too poetic, but I 518 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: would say, in this case, there would need to be 519 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: a really hard look at facial recognition, really hard look 520 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: about at how humans are interacting with this, where the 521 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: protocols and algorithms are coming from. And I would I 522 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: would be concerned. Oh. In a bit of good news, though, 523 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: uh Matt Noel, the i R s recently withdrew their 524 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: their plans to impose facial recognition on tax payers, largely 525 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: I think, probably due to just the backlash that came 526 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: from you know, public outcry. UM. Similar to maybe why 527 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: this Chinese government to added back that scene to fight 528 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: club um didn't necessarily require a court case. Sometimes the 529 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: optics of something are just so bad, uh, and such 530 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: a clearly bad idea that that the you know, the 531 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: government entity will quote unquote do the right thing. Will 532 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: that happen here? Matt, you think with the I mean overall, 533 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: like you can see some advantages these these uh robots 534 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: may also be able to locate injured people or dehydrated 535 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: people and bringing them aid. I guess I feel like 536 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: that's been a little Pollyanna about it, but it's possible 537 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: right now. I don't think they would be bringing anyone 538 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: aid necessarily just due to the Again, it's the payload problem. 539 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: Like you add one bottle of water to the thing, 540 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: and you're going to destabilize it to a certain extent 541 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: and then you're gonna make it you know, the battery 542 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: is gonna use more energy per minute, per second or whatever. UM. 543 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: What they can do is alert a human operator that's 544 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: somewhere you know, fairly close by, I don't know, within 545 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: a twenty minute car ride or something. Most likely, because 546 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: these things don't have a crazy long battery life, um, 547 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: at least in this the iteration that they're in right now. 548 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, they could just alert simply by having cameras. 549 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: I can I propose an idea. What if we had 550 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: robot dogs that had like those barrels around their necks, 551 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: likes going to rescue people from the frozen tundra, and 552 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: they can just you know, give them a little little 553 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: little sip of whiskey to to revive them, probably so heavy, 554 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, that would be amazing. That'd be so great 555 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: if we you know, if it was a nice thing like, hey, 556 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: you guys are probably hot out here. Man, here's some 557 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: here's some hydration. Uh, there would just be a stunned 558 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: gun attached to a thing as well. Uh, come get 559 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: some hydrations. It would be unpressed indented in the history 560 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: of humanity for these creatures to actually help vulnerable people 561 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: their robots as I shouldn't say creatures, m h. If 562 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: you want to see a really scary dystopian view of 563 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: what can happen with these things, there's an episode of 564 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: Black Mirror. I think it's called like metal Head or 565 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: something like that, but it's black and white, superstark beautifully photographed. 566 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: But it's about one of these very things that the 567 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 1: kind of type of drone dog creations that clearly goes 568 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: rogue and it's just a a terminator type killing machine. 569 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: Science fiction. I don't know I said this on here, 570 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: but I'm convinced now science fiction is a genre with 571 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: an expiration date because the really good stuff ends up 572 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: being factual eventually, which is why Uncle Sam pays science 573 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: fiction authors to figure out stuff like how to keep 574 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: people away from nukes and blah blah blah, but they're 575 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: not listening to the valid and very well thought out 576 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,919 Speaker 1: concerns of f This is in the field of AI. 577 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: That being said, if I had a chance to hang 578 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: out with a very intelligent robot dog and it was 579 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: like my Fido or whatever, I totally would do it. 580 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: I mean, would you do it, Matt Noel? Would you 581 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: hang out with a robo dog if it was like 582 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: your robo dog. It's a little weird hang out. I 583 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: guess I do I want that. I don't think I 584 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: want that. I want to I want an animal that 585 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: I can, you know, uh, scratch under the under the 586 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: ear and and and uh and give a treat to 587 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: you know. I don't know, call me old fashioned. Well look, 588 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: just while we're still talking about sci fi, uh thinkers, 589 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: take it Take everybody to Horizon zero Dog right now. 590 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: It's a classic game for a PlayStation, but the new 591 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: one is coming out very soon. And in that version 592 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: of the future, which is where we're at at everybody, 593 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: I would just say, I would recommend that piece of 594 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: fictional science of science fictional work. Actually never finished that game. 595 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: I got too tricky. I need to revisit. It is 596 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: super cool. It's messed up, all right. And with that, Hey, 597 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break. We will be back with 598 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: more Robot Overlords stuff imminently in the future, but not today. 599 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more strange news. And we 600 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: have returned. Sometimes when I'm presenting last it feels like that, 601 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: uh the trope of the uninvited guest who shows up 602 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: at the you know, at the prince or princesses birthday 603 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: party and says, I have a gift. So here like 604 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: a Maleficent style sation. Maleficent by far the best character 605 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: in the entirety of that story. Yes, uh so, so 606 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: I have a gift, says a hacker to the hermit 607 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: Kingdom to the DPRK to North Korea. Longtime listeners, you 608 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: know that I study this area of the world, extend 609 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: civily for various reasons, and you've probably heard this being 610 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: reported in the news. The headline is, the headline is 611 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: one guy gets mad at North Korea, so while he's 612 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: in his pj's, he shuts down their internet. You can 613 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: see this in Wired, New York Times a couple of 614 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: different places. I'm just saying that to establish the story 615 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: is legit. This is something that really happened. But let's 616 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: let's break it down. Let's get past the headlines, because 617 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: that's that's what we're here for. Our protagonist in today's 618 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: story is a fellow named P four X capital P 619 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: number four Loria case x and P four x is, 620 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 1: according to Western media, an independent hacker. We'll get back 621 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: to that in a second, but this individual is being 622 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: portrayed as an independent hacker who was a victim of 623 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: a wide ale drag net campaign that that targeted Western 624 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: security researchers. It was from North Korea. There was social 625 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,959 Speaker 1: engineering and this uh, which is you know, just manipulating 626 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,240 Speaker 1: the foibles of human psychology. But then there was also 627 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: some smart programming that goes on. P four X is 628 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: caught up in this, and P. Four X is able 629 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: to prevent these hackers from swiping anything of value from 630 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: their machine. The aim of the original hack is to 631 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: steal researchers hacking tools and to steal details about software vulnerabilities, 632 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, like you will hear them refer to as exploits, 633 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: things like that. They want to figure out where the 634 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: leaks are, where the chinks in the armor are before 635 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: right before there is a patch that is released, rendering 636 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: that information useless. So this is something that it makes 637 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: sense for a state to do. There are no heroes 638 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: in international politics. They're just levels of what kind of 639 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: bad one will accept. So this person, let's just call P. 640 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 1: Four X a dude. We've never met this person, but 641 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,959 Speaker 1: just for the sake of the story. So P. Four 642 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: X is still pissed though. It's like, imagine you caught 643 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: someone trying to steal your car. They didn't get away 644 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: with the car, but you found him in the driver's seat. 645 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: You're mad about it, you know what I mean. It 646 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: changes the way you feel about your car and the 647 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: parking lot and people in general. So P. Four X 648 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: is like like a calendar year is passing and this 649 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: guy is just it. I imagine it's such that, like 650 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: at lulls in the afternoon, when he's not really thinking 651 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: of anything, he thinks, those bastards, those bastards came into 652 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: my house. And so so he decided, after this built up, 653 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: this well of resentment sort of percolated and reach the 654 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: boiling point, he said, I'm gonna do something, you know what, 655 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: I'm going to do something because I don't see the 656 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: West doing anything, which honestly, p X, you probably wouldn't 657 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: because that's not publicly announced stuff. But anyway, pivo X 658 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: feels like nothing is happening. So set p X says, 659 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to do this myself. I'm gonna go vigilante. 660 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: There's no response from Uncle Sam, so I am going 661 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: to take these folks down. And in interviews he spoke 662 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: with Wired about this. Uh. In interviews, pv X said 663 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,919 Speaker 1: it felt like the right thing to do here. If 664 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: they meaning North Korea, don't see that we have teeth, 665 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,879 Speaker 1: meaning the US, it's just going to keep coming. And 666 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: so he went to work. He found a bunch of 667 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 1: um vulnerabilities in North Korean systems that we're already known 668 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: that allowed him to launch d d o S attacks 669 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: distributed denial of service attacks, and you're familiar with this, 670 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,879 Speaker 1: you know it's there. There's debate right whether this should 671 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 1: be considered proper hacking, you know what I mean, like 672 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: high level hacking, or whether it's just sort of something 673 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: anyone can do with the right gumption and and check 674 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: it out a few online forums. It's it's kind of 675 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: considered a simple attack. And you might also assume, correctly, folks, 676 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: that North Korea doesn't have the most robust internet infrastructure. 677 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: It's easy to get the headline that says one person 678 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: shut the country down, because there's not a lot out 679 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: there to shut down. There aren't a ton of you know, servers, 680 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 1: routers uh in like interconnected networks. Right now, pef Works 681 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: has decided that he's not going to publicly reveal the 682 00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: vulnerabilities because he says doing so would help the government 683 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: of North Korea the regime hardened its defenses against future attacks. 684 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,800 Speaker 1: But he did, he did privately disclose a couple of things, 685 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: and then he told journalists just one or two examples 686 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: to show his bona fides, to show that he was 687 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: about that life, as they would say, and he did 688 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: actually do some things. But here I want to stop 689 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: and ask you, guys, so this is vigilante work, right, 690 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: if the official story is true, what do you think 691 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: do you sympathize with him? I think that car example 692 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,760 Speaker 1: kind of primed us all to be on his side. 693 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: I think, so I feel primed. Well, yeah, it's interesting. 694 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm reading through this Wired article that you shared with us, Ben, 695 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: and it feels as though, just from what I understand, 696 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: that the actions p for X took against you know, 697 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: North Korea's North Korea as a whole, right, their internet 698 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: infrastructure did do something. But it's not as though he's 699 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, getting back at the people that probably 700 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,359 Speaker 1: broke into his car, if that makes sense. It's like 701 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: he's in I don't know, it's it's a weird. I 702 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: don't know how I would continue that metaphor, like watching 703 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: somebody breaking your car, but you know they they almost did, 704 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: but then they got out and nobody punished them. But 705 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: he's not really punishing them necessarily. I don't know. Yeah, 706 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's an interesting distinction. I guess I 707 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: should clarify to just to get in front of the 708 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: emails we might receive. So before x I said he 709 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 1: was doing a d DS, that's not exactly true. What 710 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: he did is he hacked in this several like mission 711 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: critical devices and was exploiting them. Is exploiting them as 712 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,919 Speaker 1: we record now to cause a denial of service. This 713 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: is not affecting the vast majority of people in North 714 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,439 Speaker 1: Korea who believe they are online, because North Korea has 715 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: its own, uh its own disconnected kind of intranet, and 716 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: if you are online in the DPRK, you are overwhelmingly 717 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: likely to be on that very heavily curated, very heavily 718 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,280 Speaker 1: surveiled intranet. The people who are using what we would 719 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,839 Speaker 1: consider the Worldwide Web, we being the rest of the world. 720 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: Those folks are high level officials, you know what I mean, 721 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: and they are using it as a market privilege or 722 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: they're using it for espionage. Those are the people getting affected, 723 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Not the people who are 724 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: at the equivalent of an Internet cafe. So I think 725 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: it's it's important when we when we talk about the Internet, 726 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: they're really kind of two internets in DPRK. This appears 727 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: to be largely automated at this point, like the guy 728 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: himself is not popping in and and you know, manually 729 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: typing out chut on the server every day at eight thirty, 730 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: he has made it such that programming is doing the 731 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,720 Speaker 1: work for him. I saw some great debates here about 732 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: whether or not this is a good thing. It's a 733 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: cool story, but at what cost we get this cool story? 734 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: Because state intelligence agencies, I mean nation state intelligence agencies 735 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: doubtlessly already knew about these vulnerabilities, and if they weren't 736 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 1: messing with them, it probably gave them a window into 737 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 1: the inner workings of the of the North Korean government. 738 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: So by doing this, because this guy was so mad 739 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: about his car, and rightly so, the argument is that 740 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: he has in fact um is in fact curtailed surveillance 741 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 1: activities by other countries because now the DPRK is gonna 742 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 1: know that they had a window in their house unlocked. Right, 743 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: That's kind of what happened. He's snuck in, He's snuck in, 744 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,799 Speaker 1: and then he stuck out, and he's still sneaking in 745 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: and sneaking out. So eventually they'll the reasoning is, they'll 746 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 1: find the window and all the other people who are 747 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,760 Speaker 1: just sneaking in not to vandalize the house, just sneaking 748 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,920 Speaker 1: into like read the mail, are rightly saying in a 749 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: private sphere, probably like dang man, we had a good 750 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,439 Speaker 1: thing going. Why did you Why why did you do that? 751 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: There's a quote from Dave I tell I think it's 752 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: how you say at a I T. E O Former 753 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,400 Speaker 1: n S A hacker is how they describe him in 754 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: this Wired article. Um, but they were just saying that 755 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 1: exact sentiment. He saying, there's probably stuff on those machines 756 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 1: already that this dude disrupted, essentially disrupted the machines themselves 757 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: through the software and basically let him know, like you said, Ben, 758 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: exactly what you said, the windows open. Yeah. So this 759 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: this is fascinating because the larger conversation, I think takes 760 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:10,760 Speaker 1: us to the idea of information warfare changing. The democratization 761 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 1: of information means that now it is incredible it is 762 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: entirely possible for a single individual to pack a real punch, 763 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,479 Speaker 1: like the kind of punch only a state actor could 764 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: have done in the past. Like now one person can 765 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: conceivably go to war against the country, at least in 766 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: the digital sphere. What a time to be alive. Uh. 767 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: If that is p for X was indeed acting on 768 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: their own And of course there's a lot of scuttle 769 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: but about that as well, because it just it sounds 770 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,720 Speaker 1: crazy to know that we are alive in a world 771 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: where one person can take down a country's Yeah, can 772 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 1: take down a country's Internet, in a world isolated hermit kingdom. 773 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,400 Speaker 1: Every it's funny. I'll let's talk about opening and closing windows. 774 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: Just made me think of the concept of the Overton window, 775 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,360 Speaker 1: which I had to look up make sure I was 776 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 1: thinking of the right concept. But it's this idea of 777 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: like the range of policies politically that are acceptable to 778 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,840 Speaker 1: any you know, mainstream human at any given time, and 779 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 1: I think that applies the Overton window closing. Yeah, the 780 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: Overton window is tremendously important. It's not talked about often 781 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: enough in Western media. I brought it up before Miles 782 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,880 Speaker 1: Gray over daily Zygeis is a great person to talk 783 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 1: about this too. Uh. The Overton window in the US 784 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: is dramatically skewed. That's why you won't hear you won't 785 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 1: hear politicians talking about things that the majority of the 786 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 1: US public, regardless of party identification, wants. It's because the 787 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: the Overton window of mass media has shifted into what 788 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,279 Speaker 1: the advertisers will allow. It's true, It's true. I'm just 789 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 1: saying you look at you look at control of media 790 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,120 Speaker 1: like in China or North you and you see that 791 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,440 Speaker 1: there it's not really a house where it's safe to 792 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:09,320 Speaker 1: throw stones. The US is several uh, state level governments 793 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: in the US are totally down with burning books. That 794 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,319 Speaker 1: is that say. I can't believe we've circled around to 795 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,279 Speaker 1: where saying you shouldn't burn books as another hot take, 796 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: We're back in hot take territory with that burning books 797 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 1: is definitely the hottest of takes. So this, uh, this 798 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,799 Speaker 1: leads us to a couple of different things you want 799 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 1: to hear. No, we know we've got some white hats 800 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,959 Speaker 1: and maybe even some black hats in the audience today. 801 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,279 Speaker 1: UH would love to hear what you think of the 802 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:45,799 Speaker 1: story regarding this David and Goliath digital escapade there in 803 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 1: the Hermit Kingdom in dprk UH. And we'd love to 804 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,799 Speaker 1: hear what you think about the future of automated surveillance 805 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,560 Speaker 1: along the border is uh. Please stay tuned for the 806 00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: episode we have coming up regarding the nuts bolts of 807 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 1: censorship in China, but we did what it end a 808 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,959 Speaker 1: one nice thing because it is indeed Valentine's Day here 809 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,919 Speaker 1: in the US. Interesting story about its evolution, but that's uh, 810 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 1: it's something for a different show. Have you ever been 811 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,520 Speaker 1: you guys know, build a bear? Most people in the 812 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,759 Speaker 1: US no build a bear? Uh, it's how would you 813 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 1: describe build a bear? Man? I think I think both 814 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,440 Speaker 1: of you guys probably took your kids there at some point, right, 815 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,920 Speaker 1: I've built bears in the past. Well, it's sort of 816 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 1: like a I don't know, it's a fancy stuffed animal 817 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,320 Speaker 1: that you sort of get to build to your child 818 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: specifications to a degree within m a an available set 819 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,400 Speaker 1: of parameters, whether it's you know, you get the floppy 820 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,760 Speaker 1: skin of the thing, and then you get the stuff 821 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: and this magical stuffing machine, um, and you get to 822 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,360 Speaker 1: decide whether you want it firm or softer or whatever, 823 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,080 Speaker 1: and then you can put things inside of it, like 824 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,799 Speaker 1: a heart or actually they all they all come with art. 825 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,640 Speaker 1: You can get a beating heart or even like one 826 00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,279 Speaker 1: that you can record a message on. Some of them 827 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,719 Speaker 1: have sense things like that. Yeah, hardness, firmness, what you 828 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 1: want to put inside it. It's basically cyberpunk. You know, 829 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,800 Speaker 1: it's their their character generator. But in real life, okay, 830 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,880 Speaker 1: it was like a sleep sleep number mattress that is 831 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,800 Speaker 1: also a cyberpunk that is also a bear. Yes, yes, okay, okay. 832 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 1: So have you, like many people in a Build a 833 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 1: Bear workshopper store, you walking around and saying, man, I 834 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 1: wish these bears were horny your That's the question that 835 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,880 Speaker 1: Build a Bear is attempting to answer today in odor 836 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: of Valentine's Day. They recently they recently had a social 837 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 1: media coup on Facebook where they introduced the idea of 838 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: and we're not getting here, folks, build a Bear after dark. 839 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 1: Build a Bear after Dark. It's very quiet. Store definitely 840 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,759 Speaker 1: puts the hardness and firmness of the thing in a 841 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: different line than yeah, this is It wasn't enough for 842 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 1: us to do a whole story, but we're all looking 843 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 1: for levity and frightening and challenging world. And I'll go 844 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 1: ahead and put the link here in our chat so 845 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,880 Speaker 1: you guys can see what the actual Builder Bear after 846 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,919 Speaker 1: Dark looks like. Uh. They they're not they're not bad. 847 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,120 Speaker 1: They're just being called stuffed animals for adults. And the 848 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,080 Speaker 1: advertising is a little salacious, you could say, but if 849 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,840 Speaker 1: you look at the pictures, it's it's not super controversial. 850 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 1: Some of the stuffed animals are holding wine basically, and 851 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,319 Speaker 1: you obviously you wouldn't want a kid have a a 852 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,879 Speaker 1: boozy bear. Is it really called after Dark? Yes? The 853 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,320 Speaker 1: problem is if you know the actual builder Bear website, 854 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,320 Speaker 1: you search around and you try to find anything about 855 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 1: any of this. There's nothing even close to anything salacious. 856 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,799 Speaker 1: It's it's literally, as you said, Ben, bears with some 857 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,359 Speaker 1: wine with shirts that say like, I wanna I want 858 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,880 Speaker 1: to go on a date with you, I want to 859 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,719 Speaker 1: take you. I'll have them an anagamous relationship, w A P. Right, 860 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,040 Speaker 1: so I want to have one glass of wine after 861 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,920 Speaker 1: dinner with you. Some of them say w A P. 862 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,719 Speaker 1: I did not see that. No, No, that's you have 863 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 1: to make your own shirt there, and there's probably some 864 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,320 Speaker 1: licensing fees. But but I bring this up just because 865 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,799 Speaker 1: I first I think we all we all thought it 866 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 1: was funny, it was a good chuckle. But secondly it 867 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,239 Speaker 1: goes into that weird conversation. I'm still not sure how 868 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:33,239 Speaker 1: to make this an episode about the desires and values 869 00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: that people tend to put on these non human characters 870 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,479 Speaker 1: or ideas, like we're talking off air. I still find 871 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:47,680 Speaker 1: that Tucker Carlson comment about the green eminem hilarious because 872 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,440 Speaker 1: he said, like, WHOA culture is making this eminem less sexy, 873 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:56,360 Speaker 1: And it's like, whoa TC no judgment, but you're saying 874 00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,200 Speaker 1: you thought the eminem was sexy. Huh. I mean, will 875 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,600 Speaker 1: live your life. But I think he told on himself 876 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,400 Speaker 1: a little. I don't know, man, You know, we everybody 877 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,480 Speaker 1: has their own opinions about these like marketed holidays, and 878 00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,360 Speaker 1: I personally resent the idea of people who have no 879 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,360 Speaker 1: power over me attempting to obligate me to do stuff. 880 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,279 Speaker 1: But if you love someone, you get them something nice, 881 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,400 Speaker 1: You get them, get him a build a bear. After dark. 882 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,120 Speaker 1: I just it's the whole after dark things, because that 883 00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: just immediately the mind goes to like, you know, cinemax, Kinemax, 884 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:36,479 Speaker 1: like the like taxi cab confessions, you know, erotica. Maybe 885 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,040 Speaker 1: that's what they were going for and they thought it'd 886 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,759 Speaker 1: be cute, but it's a little weird. Yeah. Yeah, So 887 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,800 Speaker 1: that's it for us today, folks. We hope this message 888 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,080 Speaker 1: finds you well. We hope you are having as wonderful 889 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,320 Speaker 1: a time as possible in these uncertain times of hours. 890 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,759 Speaker 1: Uh and like spoiler, this time next year, hopefully we 891 00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,279 Speaker 1: will have the perfect Valentine's Day gift for you. If 892 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,960 Speaker 1: you're a significant other is a very strange person with that. Uh, 893 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,399 Speaker 1: that's it for today. We can't wait to hear your 894 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 1: reactions to this, especially regarding the institutionalized censorship in China 895 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:19,440 Speaker 1: and other countries of course, and the future of automated surveillance. 896 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,840 Speaker 1: What is your take? Are you for it? Or again? 897 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,360 Speaker 1: Let us know. We try to be easy to find online, 898 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,839 Speaker 1: Right's right. You can find us on the internet. We 899 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,919 Speaker 1: exist under a couple of handles. First and foremost conspiracy 900 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: stuff where you can find our accounts on Facebook. Got 901 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,399 Speaker 1: a Facebook group. Here's where it gets crazy. 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