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Speaker 1: It's a word that we've appropriated to describe a particular

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Speaker 1: one centimeter at a time like you? It feels like

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Speaker 1: one of those I don't know if I'm gonna say

426
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: this right those is a SMR videos, the weird like

427
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, it feels like they're trying to drag

428
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: out the sound of the plastics slowly sliding from his

429
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: nostril cavity. Like I didn't get it. First of all,

430
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: Sanko's are lubricated out of the package. Man if I did, Yeah,

431
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: if I if I had a choice between a senko

432
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: or like a big pen jammed up my snooter, I'd

433
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: take the sanko every time. Every time. Um. And also

434
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: when it finally wiggles out, it's oddly void of boogers.

435
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: So I'm calling I'm calling this fake right, But Tyler, yeah,

436
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: we appreciate you. I'm gonna say one more thing, but

437
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 1: if you watch this video, like it is very elaborately staged.

438
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 1: There's like a very doctor seeming actor and a code

439
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: and like they spent some time and some effort and

440
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: some resources making this, and I cannot understand why. So

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00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: that's that's what. And not that I expect many people

442
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: didn't to like just know the soft top of their head.

443
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: But the guy who's getting it pulled out of his

444
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: nose looks like the lead singer of mud Honey. He does.

445
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, that's my fans shout out, Tyler, thank you.

446
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean I've got my little early one, and I'm

447
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: not going to shout anybody out by name on this one,

448
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: and it'll make sense in a second. But it does

449
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: connect to that in sort of the shape of the bait.

450
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: A lot of people lately have reached out to us

451
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: with links two lures in the shape of penises, and

452
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: I got to admit that I was I was totally

453
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: ignorant of this like propensity that anglers seem to have

454
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: for casting out phallic lures and trying to get fished

455
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: eat them. I had no idea that was a thing. Man,

456
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: We've gotten We've got links to crank baits, stick baits,

457
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: soft plastics. But remember, I know where you're going now here.

458
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: So we've gotten a lot of links to ones that

459
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: are pre made for sale. Are you going to the

460
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: gentleman that made his own. I'm not calling him out

461
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: because that's one of the ones. There's one the ones

462
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: that I'm not he said. He sent us an email.

463
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: He said, I got a three D printer for Christmas

464
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: and I made this top order and it's a it's

465
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: a penis and nuts, And like in my head, I'm like,

466
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: why why did you make that? And why why did

467
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: you Why did you send that? That's where I'm going?

468
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: Where I'm going? Is I don't get it? Like, is

469
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: this some weird desire to debase the fish? Is it

470
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: like some kind of like dominance thing. I don't, I

471
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't. I don't get it. I I

472
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: believe it's all. I don't believe anybody's using those weener lures.

473
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: It's just like it's like a joke you buy for

474
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: your friend, but it was funny thirty years ago, Like

475
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: these are not new, Like you've been able to buy

476
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: them booby and weener lures forever. He just had to

477
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: do it, you know, through mail order instead of on Facebook.

478
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: But it's like the Spencer's Gifts of the fishing world.

479
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? Yeah? Pretty yeah, pretty much.

480
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: So I think what we're both saying is we we

481
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: love seeing weird stuff from you guys, but you can

482
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: stop with the dick laures. Like we're not doing a

483
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: sale bin on the dick lures. Nope, we're not sharing

484
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: your homemade dick laure's on Instagram, which I don't know

485
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: why you'd want us to do that anyway, you know, Oh, anyway,

486
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: I just I had that one like the keep coming,

487
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: so I felt like they had to be addressed. But

488
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, let's let's move on to some fish news,

489
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: maybe something a little more substances. Okay, alright, alright, fair enough,

490
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: fair enough. So I get to kick off this week

491
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: as a reminder, as always, this is a competition, Miles

492
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: and I don't know what stories the other guys bringing

493
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: to the table, and uh, Madman audio engineer Phil will

494
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: declare a news victor at the end. And I'm going

495
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: to start off today with a nod to a buddy

496
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,959
Speaker 1: of mine, Jason Mark, who's a journalist of the highest caliber,

497
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: exquisite writer. Um and I met Jason two summers ago.

498
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: He was working on a piece about snakeheads on the

499
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 1: Delaware River water shed for the Philadelphia Inquired and uh,

500
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: he tagged along with me on a snake hunt. Now,

501
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: this is a caveat that has nothing to do with

502
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: the story. I just I just have to tell it, right,

503
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: I just have to bring it up. At the time

504
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: I met Jason, he was a very clean cut, well

505
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: pressed man. In and then last summer, last summer, I'm

506
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: snakehead fishing on the side of the road in South

507
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: Jersey and up pulls this pick up with a kayak

508
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: stashed in the back, and out pops a long haired,

509
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: very unshaven Jason, wearing like a full brim boonty hat

510
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: and like he's all sweaty. And it turned out he

511
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: became so snake head obsessed he now spends his summer

512
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: is just mucking around the swamps of South Jersey. And

513
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: I but tell you what, Jason is still writing and

514
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: writing very well, and he recently had a story in

515
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: the New York Times headline the problem with problem sharks. Okay,

516
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna summarize a lot of this because it's

517
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: a long one, right, but here's the gist. We all know.

518
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: I think we all know what shark coals are, Okay.

519
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: Shark bites a swimmer causes mass hysteria, and in the past,

520
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: even here in the US, that would lead to the

521
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: killing of a bunch of sharks in the area of

522
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: the attack, right with the idea of being you're you're

523
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: getting rid of the problem one. Okay. Now, while these

524
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: full on blood bats don't happen like they used to

525
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: in other countries, particularly South Africa and Australia, um, they

526
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: do still use nets and baited hook's. Time to time,

527
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: they're still deployed along some beaches where swimmers and large

528
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: numbers of sharks often mingle. So there's a doctor, Dr

529
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: Eric Kluwa clue c l u A. It's French. I

530
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: don't know how to pronounce. Do you know how to

531
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: pronounce what'ch is? Gonna call him Dr Clua okay um

532
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: And he's a marine biologist based in Paris, and he

533
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: says he's figured out how we can get away from

534
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: shark calls, which, as the story says, is like executing

535
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: everyone in a police line up in order to ensure

536
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 1: justice was dispensed on the guilty party. And now I'm

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00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: gonna quote from Jason's story here fascinating. Dr Cluis said

538
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: he has found a way to make precision strikes on

539
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: sharks that have attacked people through a form of DNA

540
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: profiling he calls bite printing, and he believes it's usually

541
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: just solo quote problem sharks that attack humans repeatedly analogizing

542
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: them to terrestrial predators that have been documented behaving the

543
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: same way. Instead of culling every bear, tiger or lion

544
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: when only one has serially attacked people. Wildlife managers on

545
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: land usually focus their ire on the culprit. Dr Cluis

546
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: said the problem sharks could be dispatched the same way,

547
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: and once a database of these bite prints is built,

548
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: DNA could be collected from the wounds of people who

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00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: were bitten by sharks and matched to a known shark.

550
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: The offending shark would then need to be found and killed. Okay,

551
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: okay with me so far, I'm with you. I have

552
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: a couple of questions, but finished. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: So many other people in the science field, um have

554
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: pooh pooed this idea, and I don't necessarily mean the

555
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: bite printing part. Right. It seems most agree that collecting DNA,

556
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: uh you know, via bite print could work, right, And

557
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: clue Is is perfecting the technique using tiger sharks in

558
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: French Polynesia. And here's a quote. He says, I'll let

559
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: them bite a pig leg or something else with flesh,

560
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: muscle and bone, and that's what he's using to perfect

561
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: this DNA collection from a bite wound. But many people

562
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: are saying, first of all, the idea of a rogue

563
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: jaws like problem shark has been long debunked, Like there's

564
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: really no science that that proves that's a real thing.

565
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: Clue is saying. On the other hand, his research and

566
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: data collection will prove the opposite, the problem sharks do exist. Um,

567
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: but I mean, here's where we get our fishy tie in, right,

568
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: what what? What? What this guy fails to address in

569
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: this even though other sources who aren't even anglers have

570
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: addressed it very loudly and the pieces Okay, like, let's

571
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: say this, this data collection proves there's a problem shark

572
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: that's bitten three people, how do you now single it

573
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: out and targeting? That's just that was that was my question.

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00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: That's what. He doesn't address that at all, right, and

575
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: and that's just not how fishing works. So if I'm

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00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: understanding this right, like, theoretically a great white could bite

577
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: someone and say cape and by the time you get

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00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: the data back, assuming that there's a pool of pool

579
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: of data, right, like, I imagine that shark would have

580
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: had to have bitten other people at least two people, right,

581
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: at least two people for for you know, proper data

582
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: to be collected, and then you take the time to determine,

583
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's the problem shark. It could be a

584
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty miles off Jersey and five feet of water. Like,

585
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: you can't just take a boat out in the ocean

586
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: and say I want that one. So, in my opinion,

587
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: this is just a case of hard core science not

588
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: jibing with simple common sense. Like in my head, it's

589
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: like teeters on ridiculous. It's like saying, you know, new

590
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: study find serial killers drive cars. Well yeah, but like

591
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't doesn't help us find them. So I tend

592
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: to give researchers the benefit of the doubt in these things.

593
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: Not always right, but they're they're generally pretty like smart

594
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: folks who understand complex problem solving. So I would love

595
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: to be able to ask this guy like, what's your

596
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: what's your solution? Man? Like, okay, you've got the DNA

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00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: of the a problem shark. How do you they're they're

598
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: sharks in this area? How do you tell which one

599
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: is the one without killing all of them or sampling? Like,

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00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't get it. No, No, you're right, But even

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00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: if you could tell which one, how do you target

602
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: that shark in a pack of Yeah? I just don't see.

603
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't see how that would ever work. I don't

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00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that. Hypothetically that database could be created,

605
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: but in my opinion, it would take a damn long time.

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00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: Like we like we were saying, in order to identify

607
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: one of those sharks, wouldn't it have to bite multiple

608
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: people and you'd have to have the DNA from multiple people?

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00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean you could would it would do Here's what

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00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: I'll say. It would prove or disprove the idea of

611
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: problem sharks. And so like, if that's what we're going

612
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: for here, you could say, like, oh, this, this person

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00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: and this person, this person were all bit it's the

614
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: same shark. Yeah. But yeah, but even that, man, I

615
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: don't know, I could counter argue that and say that,

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00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: like if you look at the New Jersey attacks from

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00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: close to shore, the book I did on philistines, here,

618
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: there's a million theories as to why those sharks where

619
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: they're doing that, and in a lot of cases they

620
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: point to environmental things. It's not like those fish were

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00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: blood hungry for humans. They where were they weren't supposed

622
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: to be, or got pushed there because of weather factors,

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00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: or you know, they ran out of a food source here,

624
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: Like what what what is a problem shark? Okay, but

625
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: regardless of the reason why they get there. You can

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00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: say the same thing about bears in that and we

627
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 1: we do have problem bears. There are usually environmental factors

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00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: to drive a bear to seek an alternate food source

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Speaker 1: that maybe become human based, whether it's human food or people.

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00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: But once that's happened, then that bear is a problem.

631
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Speaker 1: I said, it will continue to seek out that food source,

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Speaker 1: and so that's where I would say it could be valuable. Okay,

633
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: all right, well I find the shark. All you do

634
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, they're a problem. I don't think. I

635
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Speaker 1: think we have to figure something else off that. There's

636
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: a lot more work to be done here, you know,

637
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot more and on the kind of on

638
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: the subject of areas of fisheries management where we have

639
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: a lot of work to do. I'm gonna pivot from

640
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: the salt to the fresh air. And you know, in

641
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: in previous Fish News segments, we've talked quite a lot

642
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: about the detrimental impacts of fertilizer, specifically phosphorus on water quality.

643
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: Right and and just a little quick update, nutrients from

644
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: fertilizer using lawns, golf courses and agriculture get into waterways

645
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: and then concentrate in lakes and then cause algae blooms

646
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: lead all kinds of problems, right, like oxygen depletion, soiund

647
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: of bacteria. These these are things we talked about, and

648
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: this is a major and growing problem in fisheries across

649
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: the globe. Right you think about the massive red tides

650
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: and fish hills in Florida, or the blue green algae

651
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: warnings that seem to be just growing in scope and

652
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: scale every summer all over the place. So in light

653
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: of all that, here's my question on this story. Why

654
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: is a ranch on Colorado's Blue River requesting permits to

655
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: intentionally add phosphorus to the river, And why do some

656
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: conservation groups and environmental advocates support the idea? All right,

657
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a little backstory

658
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: here so we can put this. I'm not supposed to answer, Yeah,

659
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to. I'm just I'm just saying that

660
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: was hypothetical rhetorical. Um, not a hypothetal rhetorical All right, First,

661
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: a little backstory. The Blue River cuts through the mountains

662
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: of central Colorado on the west side of the Continental

663
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: Divide in the nineteen sixties, as Colorado's Front Range population

664
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: began to expand, city planners realized that they didn't have

665
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Speaker 1: enough water to support the number of people they were

666
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: hoping to attract into these metropolitan areas east of the divide.

667
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: We're talking about Denver, Colorado, Springs, Pueblo, Fort Collins. So

668
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: they devised massive pipe line projects to divert water through

669
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Speaker 1: the mountains from the wet or western side to the

670
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: drier east side, where all the people want to live

671
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: because it's warm and sunny. The backstory on these water

672
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: diversion projects is like fascinating in and of itself. It's

673
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: it's worthy of its own segment. But but but I I

674
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: ain't got time for all that right now. I just

675
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: need to give you the basics. What's important here is

676
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: that the Blue is one of the rivers that gets diverted,

677
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: moving water from the Dylan Reservoir over to the South

678
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: Platte River, and therefore Denver Dylan Reservoir sits above a

679
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty one ft high bottom release dam,

680
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: meaning that the water flowing out of that dam into

681
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: the Blue River below comes from the lower reaches of

682
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: the water colum so it remains at a relatively constant

683
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: temperature that's optimal for trout, never getting too hot in

684
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: the summer or too cold in the winter. Just about

685
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: every famous trout fishery in the US sits below a

686
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: bottom release damp for exactly that reason. And and the

687
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: Blue has long been a famous trout fishery. It's it's

688
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: no and for producing just massive rainbows and and big

689
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: browns too. Part of the reason that fishery has remained

690
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: so healthy is that in the nineteen eighties, as the

691
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: mountain towns grew in the upper Blue River basin, water

692
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: quality managers enacted very strict regulations on wastewater discharge, which

693
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: kept levels of pollutants, including phosphorus pretty low. For several decades,

694
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: the Blue was arguably one of the best trophy trout

695
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: rivers in Colorado and the country. Really. Guides and outfitters

696
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: proliferated and profited, and private ranches were bought up along

697
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: the banks, creating exclusive access for their owners and clientele.

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00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: One of those ranches, Blue Valley Ranch, owns a stretch

699
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: so noted for its big fish that local anglers refer

700
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: to it as Jurassic Park. Okay, so now fast forward

701
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: to Colorado Parks and Wildlife stripped a nineteen mile stretch

702
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: of the Blue which includes the Jurassic Park section, of

703
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: its Gold Medal status because they found that the size

704
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: and no umber of trout and the river had significantly declined.

705
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: Biologists explained that the water lacked nutrients, so basically, many

706
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: of the nutrients flowing into the system we're getting trapped

707
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: in Dylan Reservoir and not making their way through the dam.

708
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: Low nutrients means few aquatic plants, which means low numbers

709
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: of aquatic insects, which means no food for trout. So

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00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: this year Blue Valley Ranch, a twenty five thousand acre

711
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: swath of land which again houses that Jurassic Park section,

712
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: wants to pilot a program that would intentionally add nearly

713
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: two thousand gallons of phosphorus to the river annually in

714
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: order to boost nutrient levels and hopefully fish size and populations.

715
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: Now this could sound like an evil plot by a

716
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: rich landowner to improve the fishing on his private stretch

717
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: of river at the expense of the ecosystem, but it's

718
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: it's not actually that simple. Paul Tutor Jones, the second,

719
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: who owns the ranch, the dude, he's actually proven himself

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Speaker 1: to be like a pretty good steward of the land

721
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: in the water and wildlife. He's he spent a lot

722
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: of his money trying to improve habitat. He he built

723
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: these uh, these these wildlife corridors to get through the

724
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: busy highway near there so there were less issues. He's

725
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: set up a foundation that works to protect the mangroves

726
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: in Florida, and he's just he's done a ton of

727
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: stream habitat restoration on the Blue which not only benefits

728
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: him but all the anglers, the fish that river. So

729
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: various local conservation groups and water planning organizations are backing

730
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: this project that includes Trout Unlimited, the Blue River Watershed Group,

731
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: and the Colorado Basin Round Table, and they're hoping that

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Speaker 1: this has the potential to rehabilitate the section of the river.

733
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Speaker 1: But what I'm wanting, like, what does rehabilitation really mean here?

734
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Speaker 1: We're talking about an artificial system that's been damned and

735
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: redirected and planted with completely non native fish that grow

736
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Speaker 1: to disproportionately large sizes. Sarah Marshall, an eco hydrologist with

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Speaker 1: the Colorado Natural Heritage Program at Colorado State University. She

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Speaker 1: sees value in the Blue Valley Ranches experiment, but said

739
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: further tinkering with the river to restore it could have risks.

740
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Speaker 1: She told The Aspen Times, the proposed study sounds like

741
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: a band aid rather than fixing the underlying causes of

742
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: degraded stream habitat. And I gotta say, man, I'm as

743
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: as I so often, and I'm torn on this one.

744
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: I fished the Blue and it's it's an incredible fishery,

745
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's amazing, and and I hate to

746
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: see a section of stream lose its fish, particularly one

747
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: that's as good as that one. But I'm also not

748
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: totally comfortable with intentionally adding phosphorus to a river when

749
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: we're working so hard to limit the nutrient load in

750
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: in so many of our waters. Right, it might help

751
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: that twenty mile stretch it's lacking nutrients, but then just

752
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: add to the problem downstream. Right, it seems like one

753
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: of those situations where we've completely screwed up a natural

754
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: system and we're just gonna keep doing more and more tinkering,

755
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: thinking that like screwing it up further, we'll fix what

756
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: we've already done. But projects like that don't really have

757
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: a great record. So it's a tough one, man, yeah, man,

758
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: And it's it's a hard one for me to speak

759
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: to you because I I certainly know the blue I've

760
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: never fished it. I mean I'm not I'm not that

761
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: in tune with that particular river. But you can't help

762
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: but see both sides of it. I mean, without knowing

763
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: what the vegetation in there look like. I mean that

764
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: that is important, and forget all the pollution and conservation.

765
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you get a high water year here on

766
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: the river and then the grass doesn't grow, the fishing

767
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: sucks in certain spots, like you like, you do need that.

768
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: And sometimes I also think that you can overprotect something

769
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: because I mean, if you look at something like this

770
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: that was so special and blue ribbon, how many great

771
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: trout streams out there are not protected nearly as much

772
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: as this one is. I mean, especially like I look

773
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: at Pennsylvania. There's a lot of great trout streams in

774
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania that I mean, they're not coddled the way some

775
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: of these Western fisheries are. There's all kinds of ship

776
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: dumping into them, and they still fish, and they have

777
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: big fish in them. And so I'm not saying you

778
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: can't do anything, but I mean I don't have a

779
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: firm answer on that either, because I see that I

780
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: see the value both ways. But I mean, this wasn't

781
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: This was not a trophy trout stream initially. Originally, if

782
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: we're talking about what it used to be, it was,

783
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, it used to be probably a pretty good

784
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: cut cutthroat stream, but no one really knows because there

785
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: was so much mining activity in that area in the

786
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds it basically killed everything off. And then in

787
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties they built this dam to to send

788
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: water over to Denver, which created this bottom release fishery

789
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: that grew these massive trout and for forty years it

790
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: was great, and then they ran our nutrients. It's not

791
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: great anymore. So I mean, what are we fixing? What

792
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: are we trying to restore? Yeah, you're you're fixing something

793
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: that was manufactured from from from the get go, right,

794
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: And I get it. Like, I love big trout streams too,

795
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: I love bottom release dams, I love tailwaters. There's some

796
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: of my favorite places fish. But is it worth potentially

797
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: adding more phosphorus load to the Greater Colorado River system

798
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: that could us things up downstream just to have that

799
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: one piece go back to what it was for a

800
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: very short period of time. The correct the correct answer

801
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: to that is probably not. I mean probably not. But

802
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: I mean, did you know how anglers are, man, It's

803
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: like people care most about what where they're fishing and

804
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: how it affects what they want to do. And I mean,

805
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: that's that's a problem with so many conservation issues, is

806
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: we're worried about right here and now and not fifty

807
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: miles from here. I mean, it happens all the time.

808
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: And and look, I get a lot of people make

809
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: their living guiding that river. And I'm not trying to

810
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: say that their needs aren't serious or significant. I I

811
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: just it's it's a hard one. It's complicated, it's it's

812
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: a very hard one. It's very and I don't I

813
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: don't think we'll we'll necessarily resolve it here um, but

814
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: by all means, email us way in. We'd love to

815
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on it. And how do I segway

816
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: this Well, hopefully it'll get back to a status of

817
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: of some serious meat eating trout gigantic meat eaters, which

818
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: is a that's a that's a ship segue. But I'm

819
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to see where it goes, now,

820
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: like here's here's where it's gonna go, because this this

821
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: is a fun one that's ironically going to pair perfectly

822
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: with this week's closing and the line segments. So stay

823
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: tuned for that. But you'll know where that's going as

824
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: soon as I read this headline here from Louisiana Sportsman.

825
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Two catfish eat family of ducks. Okay, So this pair,

826
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: this pair of blue cats was caught by angler Nick

827
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: Price your Homa and the fish wade nineteen and a

828
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: half and twenty point two pounds, so definitely respectable blue cats, right,

829
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: but not like super tanker monsters either. And according to

830
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: the story, Nick noticed the guts on these cats were

831
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: abnormally extended, so after fileeing, he slit open the stomachs

832
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: and outpoured a whole family of ducks. Wow, okay, and

833
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: Nick says one cat was full of just babies. The

834
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: other one had one baby and the mama duck. So

835
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: like the full grown duck, he can't be mallards, That's

836
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna say. There's no way these are. These

837
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: have got to be a smaller duck. Anyway, I'm gonna

838
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: throw a shot up on the on our our weekly

839
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: Bent Insto stories so you guys can see it. They're

840
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: they're pretty. You could tell their ducks. They're kind of decomposed.

841
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not a bird person. I don't

842
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,959
Speaker 1: know what they are. But one is definitely a full

843
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: grown duck. Okay um, because that's what I thought. Like babies,

844
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: I understand. But the mama duck, that's impressive, especially considering

845
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: these were not forty fifty pound blue cats like twins.

846
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: Good but it's not. It's not insane. So Nick Nick

847
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: reckons the fish were paired up and swimming around together

848
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: when they happened upon the Ducksworth family here, and he

849
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: says he showed this the pictures of the stomach contents

850
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: to his dad and uncle and they've both been catfishing

851
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: this area for fifty years and said they've never seen

852
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: anything like that. Now remember that part right there, as

853
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: you ventured into the end of the line segment. Fifty

854
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: years the local cat crew had never seen anything like this.

855
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: That will be important again later. But Nick says he

856
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: did do some research and found some video of catfish

857
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: taking shots at ducks and other birds, which I've seen

858
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: them wells catfish over in Europe particular. Right, Um, you know,

859
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't think Nick's gonna start baiting

860
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: with with duck parts. He did, however, add, and I'm

861
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: quoting here, I have an unusual catfish bait. It only

862
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: catches big catfish. It won't catch a lot, but you

863
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: catch bigger ones with more meat than five small ones.

864
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: His secret speckled trout belly. Hm. Now he says it's

865
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: prime catfish bait. They love it. I've been using it

866
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: here for at least three years. My biggest catch has

867
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: been about thirty eight pounds Nick, Like, what just ride

868
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: on the ducks? Band? Like, why are you give your

869
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: sh it away like that? You know we're there's a

870
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: chance that we're gonna tell it to everybody, but you know,

871
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean we kind of just so. Um. I just

872
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: thought that was an interesting little one. You know that

873
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: the birds pop up now and again, the mice and

874
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: the voles and the things and the trout stomachs. But

875
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: I I don't ever recall seeing a whole family at

876
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: ducks in blue cat's stomachs before. I haven't. I've don't.

877
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: Actually I've never caught a blue cat, so I can't

878
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: speak to it. But no, well never kind of blue

879
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: that I've caught lots of other cats, but I've never

880
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: caught a blue. Um. I sort of from my my

881
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: second story today, I also went a little bit more

882
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: like lighthearted and fun, not not quite so sciency and serious.

883
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a but but like you, you

884
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: know you you went, you went salt into fresh, and

885
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: I went fresh and now went to salt. So we're

886
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: getting a whole smattering of everything. And and I'll admit

887
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: my first story was really long, so the second one

888
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: is going to be pretty short. I gotta I gotta

889
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: close with the best headline, and that's purely why I

890
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: picked the story. The best headline I found all week.

891
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: Fish sex organs boosted under high c O two and

892
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: this one came from PiZZ dot org, one of those

893
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: science journalism websites that I enjoyed just like hanging around on.

894
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm gonna file this in the very very

895
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: slim category of benefits of climate change. So a new

896
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: study out of the University of Adelaide found that one

897
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: particular species of reef fish looks like it may actually

898
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: benefit from ocean acidification. You know that that that's happening

899
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: right now as a result of increased CO two in

900
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: the atmosphere. The common triple fin or for sterry gin

901
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: la pillum I know I blew that uh is a

902
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: shallow water species found off the coast of New Zealand.

903
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: When exposed to increased levels of oceanic acidity, these fish

904
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: produced more sperm and eggs and take better care of

905
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: their fertile ova. The research team compared the triple fin

906
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: found in areas of underwater volcanic seeps that naturally have

907
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: high levels of carbon dioxide with fish found outside those areas,

908
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: and they discovered that those fish experienced no negative effects

909
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: from acidification and significant increase in gonad production. The males

910
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: in the area of high acid eight and foraged more,

911
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: and the females devoted more of their energy to a

912
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: vary in production. The researchers also found that the male

913
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: spent more time and energy guarding the fertilized eggs, which

914
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 1: might lead to better recruitment. So there's the good news

915
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: and all this. The bad news is that we're talking

916
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: about tide pool fish that grow to a whopping eight centimeters.

917
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: So like, I don't think you're gonna look for the

918
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: triple fin to take the place of your favorite sport fish,

919
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: which are not going to fare so well from acidified oceans.

920
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: But hey, something's gonna do, all right. I don't even

921
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: know what to say about that. I was thinking that

922
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: maybe they were like a different version of the triple tail,

923
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: I know, I was. I was like, oh, like, no, no,

924
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about tiny little tide pool fish that uh,

925
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: that will do great whenever the else dies. Here here's

926
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: what I'll say about that. I once did an interview

927
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: with a very smart gentleman who wrote a very great

928
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: book about micro fishing, and I was like, what is

929
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: all this about? And and and it was a very

930
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: interesting conversation. But one of the things that he said

931
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: is like, you know, micro fishermen might be laughing all

932
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: the way to the bank because at some point like

933
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: that might be what's left and then you have not

934
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: honed your micro phishing skills and therefore will not survive.

935
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: So don't joke. You never know if you don't. I

936
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what we're gonna be fishing

937
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: for in thirty years or what's gonna gonna be the

938
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: thing that that makes me most excited? It might be

939
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: a whopper. I got an eight centimeter broye, but at

940
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: the same time huge like like when are we when

941
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: are we gonna get like the like the you know,

942
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: some climate change thing produces ten pound blue gills, you know,

943
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: like we've been hearing about that our whole life, Like

944
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: the radioactive like gonna get some of that, you know?

945
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: You know, well, at least we know at least one

946
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: fish seems like he's gonna benefit from it. So maybe

947
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: others will too. Who knows, We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll all

948
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: find out soon enough. We can only hope either we

949
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: clean up the whole climate and the whole thing, or

950
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: we just hope for like, you know, stupid radioactive fish. Uh.

951
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: Phil has got a lot of take in here. We

952
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: got um sexual fish, organs, duck duck sauce, uh, catfish

953
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: with duck sauce, catfish, Yeah, miracle grow sprinkle a little

954
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: miracle grow, and your favorite trout stream uh and shark hunting. Phil.

955
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: Let us know what you're thinking. Man, We'll see which

956
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: way you sway this weekend. As soon as we're done

957
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: hearing from you. It's on too awkward moments in Angling

958
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: Quack Quack Joe Simmeli, you are the winner this week.

959
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to ask you, guys, um for

960
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: a favor for a friend of mine. Um, if you

961
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: guys come across any new stories about how increased CEO

962
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: two levels can improve the performance of human sex organs

963
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: or anything, it doesn't have to be CEO two, go

964
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: ahead and pass those stories belong to me and I'll

965
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: forward them on to my friend for you know, no reason. Thanks,

966
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: Why did you take a picture? A life? So I

967
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: want to say I feel bad about what we're about

968
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: to do here, but I don't. I can't. I can't

969
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: feel bad because you guys send us shots to trash

970
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 1: like you guys opt into this. You put the ship

971
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: talk ball squarely in our court, and you say things

972
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: like here's a picture destroy me. So I can't. I

973
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: can't feel too bad because those are the emails that

974
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: we get guilt at all, exactly right. But I'm gonna

975
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: enjoy this one a little more usual because, um, today's

976
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: awkward moment awkward photo is from a friend of mine,

977
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: and today we're gonna deconstruct a photo of this pal

978
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: or maybe former pal, Kevin Hughes. And when he sent

979
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: this shot, he didn't even provide a backstory. He was

980
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: basically like, Hey, you said you were looking for awkward shots.

981
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: Here you go. That's what I got from Kevin. And

982
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know Kevin at all, but I feel zero

983
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: issue with with trash in this one because awkward awkward

984
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: it is. Again, I don't know this guy, but I'm

985
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and say that Kevin is either just

986
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: incredibly self confident, like just just one of those people

987
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: who's automatically comfortable in their skin no matter how they look,

988
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: or totally unaware of what he was getting into when

989
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: he offered up the shot. Well, I I can tell

990
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: you that he's totally confident now because a quick bit

991
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: of backstory on keV. I've known him for years and

992
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: he lives down in Miami and you can find him

993
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: on the Instagram at small Craft Advisory Fishing, which is

994
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: a very clever name considering his stick kayak fishing, and

995
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: he produces all kinds of cool videos and social media

996
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: and even guides a bit. But when I say kayak fishing,

997
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: I mean like giant tarpin and snook and tuna and

998
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: all kinds of macho stuff like he gets after it.

999
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: Kevin is not at the golf course pond, you know

1000
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: what I mean. And while I don't have time to

1001
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: explain why, I also believe he's one of the luckiest

1002
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: anglers on the planet. I have joked with with mutual

1003
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: friends more than once that he has a horseshoe stuck

1004
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: up his ass, so good for him. He's lucky. Kevin

1005
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: is also a gorgeous man, Like, no kidding. Over the years,

1006
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: my own wife has been like, OMG, Kevin Hughes is

1007
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: so hot, and I'm like, yeah, a famous celebrity, it's

1008
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: a buddy, and I'm like, other than being in shape

1009
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: and cut and having the stamina the paddle far enough

1010
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: out to catch sailfish on a kayak, we're basically the

1011
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: same person hunt you know. Yeah, I'm sure no other

1012
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: than other than his like seemingly chiseled physique, his his

1013
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: southern location and his badass jackalope tattoo. You guys are

1014
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: basically twins. We are. But then Kevin had to go

1015
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: send us this photo of him in April two thousand

1016
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: one standing on the shore of a Colorado Lake, and

1017
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to begin, but I guess

1018
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: I'll start here. Fourteen year old Kevin was not so cut,

1019
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: not at all. And let's just say he was likely

1020
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: familiar with Oxy or stride X pads. Okay, and look,

1021
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: I was too. I'm not making fun of that. I'm

1022
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: just we're we're stating facts about the photo, pointing things out,

1023
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: and I felt the need to go there. No, that's

1024
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 1: that's I think. I think it's earned. And I also

1025
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: feel like I gotta say I was an oxy guy myself.

1026
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: And for the young guns out there who grew up

1027
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: in the big farmer generation, we're talking about a stringent acnepads,

1028
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: all right, not hillbilly heroin. But I'm not I'm not

1029
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: one to pick on a little kid's pimples. I'd consider

1030
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: that a low blow. I will reserve my ridicule for

1031
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: the clothes that his mom probably bought for him. And

1032
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: young Kevin's mom seems like she had good taste, because

1033
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: his attire is what's what's what's the magic to stunning?

1034
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: It's stunning. I'm dying to get into that shirt, but

1035
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: I will. I will start at the top. I will

1036
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: hold back Kevin is wearing a white Abercrombie visor, which

1037
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: leads me to believe that he was either the last

1038
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: preppy kids still wearing Abercrombie in two thousand one, or

1039
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: he was really into eminem and I hope it was

1040
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: the ladder, Like I hope that when he wasn't fishing,

1041
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: he was just watching eight Mile on repeat and daydreaming

1042
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: about himself winning rap battles. Let's say, strong chance there

1043
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: were slim shady posters in this room. Yeah yeah, well, okay,

1044
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned the shirt. The shirt sort of backs that up. Okay,

1045
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: this shirt, it's loose, flowy and breathable, button up like

1046
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: a Hawaiian shirt, but it's got this crazy Asian print happening, right,

1047
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all over the place. It's a white shirt,

1048
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: but it's just slathered with Chinese letters and dragons, just

1049
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: all different color dragons, man like, randomized all over the shirt.

1050
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I hate, I hate to rumpt you,

1051
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure that when I saw Wu Tang

1052
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: play in Hawaii, one of them was wearing that shirt.

1053
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: Oh you saw Woo Tang? Yeah? Man, all right, we

1054
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: can't get off on that now, but there you go.

1055
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: So that's that's that you just made the shirt cooler

1056
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: and kind of ruined the whole make fun of the thing.

1057
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: But anyway, um, I look at it and I'm like, well,

1058
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: this is kind of foreshadowing, right, because I was like,

1059
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of kind of a little bit scarface.

1060
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: And Kevin did end up moving to Miami, you know

1061
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's like a little picture of

1062
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: the future, like what he's gonna rock and you know

1063
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: where he lives. Um, but can't you see him at

1064
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: the mall with his friends falling in love with that shirt,

1065
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: like what you know, while there were no adults there,

1066
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: like I bought you know, weird clothes and stuff when

1067
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: I was at the mall with my friends and my dad,

1068
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, Paradjenko is my dad be like, what the

1069
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: hell you wearing bell bottoms? You know what happened all

1070
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, yes, I can relate to that,

1071
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: but the shirt does not flag that way for me.

1072
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: It's just like, guy, I think we have different perspectives

1073
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: on that shirt. The Asian themed Hawaiian shirt just doesn't

1074
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: throw me at all. I can picture I can actually

1075
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: picture some I think some of my high school teachers

1076
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: wore that shirt in the late nineties. If I'm being honest,

1077
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: and I would probably still rock that shirt to this day.

1078
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: I could see you where and I you know what,

1079
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: damn it, I could see you wearing that shirt. Yeah,

1080
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: I could do a Christmas party or something, yeah, totally,

1081
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: or just out fishing on a summer day. It could happen.

1082
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: I will admit that the shirt feels a little out

1083
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: of place, like with the backdrop of the Colorado High

1084
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: Mountain Lake. So yeah, I see, I see how it's

1085
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: a little out of place there. But I can't throw

1086
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: too much shade because I can see myself doing that.

1087
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: But let's let's move off the shirt. Let's move on

1088
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: to the fish. Kevin's holding a small rainbow trout. And

1089
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: it's not like when I stay small. We're not talking

1090
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: like four inches of fury small. It's but it's also

1091
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: not it's not what I would put into the hog category, right,

1092
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: Just let's call it a twelve venture. It's a perfectly

1093
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: respectable fish for a fourteen year old kid to get

1094
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: excited about. He could have used maybe a little guidance

1095
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: on the on the hold, like maybe loosen up the

1096
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: full hand around the girl's death grip. But again, I've

1097
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: seen worse. It's not the worst I've seen. Yeah, see,

1098
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: we may disagree here, but like, what what strikes me

1099
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: is a look on his face, right, a face, by

1100
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: the way, that's wearing glasses that I don't recall being

1101
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: in style. Okay, just the these thin gold framed oblong

1102
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: not sunglasses. These are like glasses, glasses that I just

1103
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: I don't feel matches age. It's like he's trying to

1104
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: find his own style with with the ensemble, with the clothing,

1105
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: but like these are the glasses like his mom bought

1106
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: him six years earlier that he's still wearing. Okay, but anyway,

1107
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't think the ensemble belongs in this fishy setting.

1108
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: And his face to me looks as though someone else

1109
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: caught the trout and handed it to him and said,

1110
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: he hold my trout for a sect, dude, And then

1111
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: like before he could respond and say I don't know

1112
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: how to hold a fish, someone quickly snapped his photo.

1113
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: That's what I see. I get that. The thing that

1114
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: sticks out for me on that one is just his

1115
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: apparent total lack of enthusiasm, right, and it doesn't come

1116
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 1: off like it doesn't come off like the I'm too

1117
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: cool to look excited aloof teenager thing, which I would

1118
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: understand for a fourteen year old. It doesn't feel like that.

1119
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: It feels strangely more wholesome, Like if I were to

1120
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: caption this photo, it would say something like, hey, this

1121
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: fishing stuff is pretty neat, Like that's what did she's saying,

1122
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: like the moose from Wally World. Actually, this fish is

1123
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: a pretty neat one. But my big takeaway from the

1124
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: photo is that I'm looking at someone who has no

1125
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: business being as comfortable and confident in his body as

1126
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: he seems to be. Like I don't know how he

1127
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: can have that look of confidence and be the fourteen

1128
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: year old kid that he is, and it seems like, man,

1129
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: I gotta see. I gotta say, it seems like it's

1130
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: all worked out for him, because you say, Kevin sprouted

1131
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: into an absolute angling badass. And my my final point

1132
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: here is that this picture should provide hope to all

1133
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: the mid puberty kids out there stuck somewhere between wanting

1134
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: to be k v D and I don't know what's

1135
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: called post bologne depending on and they're like they're like

1136
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: trying to make the decision based on what they think

1137
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: is going to get them get them more attention from

1138
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: the people that they're interested in romantically. But here's a

1139
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: hit for all of you. It's always the musician and

1140
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: not of the fisherman. Always just playing simple. You'll make

1141
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: it so much more being a drummer and a Deaf

1142
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: Leppard cover band, you know, especially considering you have two arms,

1143
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: than like winning the bass Master Classics. True, but listen

1144
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: there there is a video of Kevin out there paddling

1145
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: under ten docks with a forty pound snook on the line,

1146
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: passing his rod around pilings twelve times, and you're watching

1147
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: this go and there's no way to do it is

1148
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: landing this fish. But he us amazing angler Queues, You're

1149
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: an American badass, and we do thank you for sending

1150
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: this okay, and to everyone else, if you're dying to

1151
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: be this embarrassed on our podcast, please keep those shots

1152
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: coming to Bent at the meat eater dot com. You

1153
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: know what I gotta say, Kevin's story is the life

1154
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: story of his that you you laid out there kind

1155
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: of makes me think of the fairy tale the Ugly duckling.

1156
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: You remember that one, of course, I do. It's classic. Yeah,

1157
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like when I was a kid,

1158
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: I got the modern, like watered down version of that

1159
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: original story because I was looking at I was, I

1160
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: was looking this up, something to do with like getting

1161
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: my kid new books and the original by Hans Christian Anderson.

1162
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: And it's like so many other classic fairy tales, it's

1163
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: so much more brutal stuff the kids get nowadays. Like

1164
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: it's not a nice little fun story, no, totally. Man. Like,

1165
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: my daughter is really into the Little Mermaid and I,

1166
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, Disney, the whole deal, and I but I

1167
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: found out, much to my surprise, not long ago, that

1168
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: was originally a Hans Christian Anderson tale. I did not

1169
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: know that. And in his book, in order to walk

1170
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: on land, she had to drink a potion that made

1171
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: her feel like she was constantly walking on knives. I mean,

1172
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: how terrible is that? And then after enduring all that pain, um,

1173
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: the Prince marries another gal and the Little Mermaid kills herself.

1174
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: So they left that out of the musical, you know. Uh,

1175
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: and we were part of that world, you know, Oh

1176
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: that was good. That was good. Yeah, I mean you

1177
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: look at that stuff and then we wonder why we're

1178
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: bitching about the fact that kids are softer nowadays than

1179
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: they were in the eight hundreds. Anyway, I didn't mean

1180
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: to de rail us into talking about gory fairy tales

1181
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: and sensitive children. I was really trying to set up

1182
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: a nice little segway there, because for end of the line,

1183
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: Joe is going to tell us about some ugly ducklings

1184
01:03:51,840 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: whose entire purpose in life is to elicit violence. Not

1185
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:06,919
Speaker 1: loud enough. Tracing the history of any style of lore

1186
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: to its true origins is often pretty difficult. The first

1187
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: frog lore is as an example. We're likely whittled in

1188
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: a backwoods cabin and crushing fish long before the world

1189
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: was introduced to the rubber snag proof frog. In many cases,

1190
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: a lure's story starts when either the inventor or someone

1191
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: with more business savvy than the inventor begins mass production,

1192
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: and such is the case with the first duckling lore.

1193
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: I went down quite a rabbit hole trying to get

1194
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: a beat on the first duckling to hit tackle shop shelves,

1195
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: and to the best of my research, it was the

1196
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: creed duck spelled c r e d u K. Multiple

1197
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: kind of reliable sources have its mass production starting in

1198
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. That mass production happened in the town

1199
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: of Oregon, Ohio, and the creed Duck was the brainchild

1200
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: of Mr Bill Zabo. The cree duck was made of

1201
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: molded plastic and looks exactly precisely like a classic bathtub

1202
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: or bur ducky de bait. Has a flat bottom, and

1203
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: it's through wired with one big old honk and treble

1204
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: hook dangling behind the ass region. On either side of

1205
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: that hook, two more wires create little duckling legs, each

1206
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: with a small silver spinner blade at the end. Cree Ducks,

1207
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: at least per eBay were available in classic, black and yellow,

1208
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: black and white, and even white and cinnamon. Though Zabo

1209
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: was eventually bought out by a larger manufacturer, it seems

1210
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: as though the cree duck was made through at least

1211
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies. What's most interesting about it, however, is

1212
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: its origin, which I learned about from a single magazine

1213
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: ad I've found online from the nineteen sixties that appears

1214
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: to be written by Zabo himself. Across the top, it reads,

1215
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: Indian guide tells all, now you can use his secret

1216
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: to catch big fish. Having fished the Cree river system

1217
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: in Northern Canada, I knew right away he was talking

1218
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: about the Cree Indians, hence the lore name. The ad

1219
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: says nobody could figure out how the Cree guides were

1220
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: managing to consistently at stringers of massive pike, which is silly,

1221
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: because I know for a fact the pike up there

1222
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: will swipe it a gym sock. Still, it goes on

1223
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: to say it was only after I had become almost

1224
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: a blood brother to an Indian guide that I found

1225
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: out how they were using a crudely carved and painted

1226
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: wooden duckling with hooks attached. Zabo even guaranteed success with

1227
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: your Cree duck in the ad and offered a full

1228
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: refund within ten days if you weren't satisfied. I cannot help,

1229
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: but wonder how many refunds he gave, because I have

1230
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: never been satisfied with the duckling lure, not once ever,

1231
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: and in my opinion, they fall squarely in the novelty category.

1232
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: Not only have I never caught a fish on one,

1233
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: I've never seen a live duckling gets snatched in person.

1234
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: I want to see it. I think we all want

1235
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: to see it and love the idea of a pike

1236
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: or muskie or bass that sucks living foul off the surface.

1237
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: And that's why I think duckling loure is sold back

1238
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: in the day and continue to sell now. Though duckling

1239
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: sort of faded away in the eighties and nineties, companies

1240
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: like Savage Gear recently resurrect them. If you fish and

1241
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: are on social media, strong chance you caught that fairly

1242
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: recent video of a kayak angler nailing a monster pike

1243
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: on a buzzing Savage Gear suicide duck. Search for ducklings

1244
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: getting eaten by fish on YouTube and you'll find plenty

1245
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: of clips. Nobody, including me, ever said it doesn't happen

1246
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: or never happens. In fact, I also know there are

1247
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: certain leagues in Canada that basically have a yearly duckling

1248
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: hatch and the pike gobbled them up like tic TACs.

1249
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: But I call bullshit on the idea that a duckling

1250
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: is some sort of secret weapon everywhere the way I

1251
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: look at them, If you throw it long enough, eventually

1252
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: something's going to collaborate. The massive Instagram attention you'd get

1253
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: from the shot might be worth it. Two Some but

1254
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: I have in the patients to throw a lore I

1255
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: have no confidence in for more than twenty minutes, and

1256
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: I will quickly op for something I know the fish

1257
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: eat on a regular basis. My colleague and buddy, Sam

1258
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: Longran Mediator's fishing editor, echoes my feeling. But then there

1259
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: was a muskie trip he took with his dad on

1260
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: the Flambeau in Immediately after his old man called his

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Speaker 1: at trashed and tied on one of them new fangled

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Speaker 1: suicide ducks. Sam scoffed, and I get the impression he

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Speaker 1: was mildly embarrassed in front of their guide. Few casts in, though,

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Speaker 1: that duck got hammered by a forty plus injury, which

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Speaker 1: might not have gone over so well considering Sam was

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Speaker 1: working really hard on that trip to get one on fly.

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Speaker 1: And as Sam put it, my dad fished that damn

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Speaker 1: lord for the next day and a half without so

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Speaker 1: much as a passing glance. Did that fish really identify

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Speaker 1: that as a duckling or did it just make the

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Speaker 1: right sound and get in front of a fish that

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Speaker 1: was ready to kill. We'll never know, even though I

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Speaker 1: think you know what I think, and Sam, I do

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Speaker 1: hope your dad gleaned all the install love he could

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