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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, you're welcome to stuff to Blow

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Speaker 1: your mind. My name is Robert Lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick.

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Speaker 1: And you know most of us live. I feel in

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Speaker 1: kind of a balanced world where on one hand, yes,

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Speaker 1: you have the government doing heinous things, occasionally um careless things.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes just very manipulate things. Uh you know the U.

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Speaker 1: S Military love went flying flying around attack drones, US

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Speaker 1: government sifting through our email. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: there's uh, there's also kind of a comedy of the

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Speaker 1: errors to everything. Sure, this is a point that I

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Speaker 1: remember Scully made it in at least one episode of

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Speaker 1: The X Files, but I feel like should have been

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Speaker 1: made more often. Though it guess it didn't apply in

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Speaker 1: the X Files because in the X Files the conspiracy

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Speaker 1: is always real. But but at least in one episode

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Speaker 1: she makes the point that I think you're giving the

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Speaker 1: government too much credit. Yeah, this is often a feeling

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Speaker 1: I have when talking to somebody who believes that there's

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Speaker 1: a vast conspiracy that's controlling world events through secret channels

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Speaker 1: that are somehow always just just one step ahead of

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Speaker 1: the people trying to find evidence of them. My feeling is,

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Speaker 1: by and large, the government is so incompetent at everything,

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Speaker 1: how could it possibly carry off this one thing? So? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there when you look at at various delusional situations that

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Speaker 1: involve the government and persecution of an individual by the government, uh,

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Speaker 1: there's this. The whole the whole governmental system has to

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Speaker 1: be working like this perfect machine to target that individual.

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Speaker 1: And then and then then, of course you have to

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Speaker 1: raise questions like why this individual, why is so much

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Speaker 1: work going on? Why are where's why, why are all

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Speaker 1: these tag dollars going to say being thoughts into this

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Speaker 1: random person's head. Well, now you have zeroed in on

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Speaker 1: one particular conspiracy, the conspiracy to target a person and

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Speaker 1: use some kind of electromagnetic radiation or you know, auditory

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Speaker 1: electronic technology to put messages in their brain, to beam

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Speaker 1: noises at them that make it impossible for them to sleep,

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Speaker 1: to uh, to give them deafening booms and clicks and

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Speaker 1: unpleasant sounds in the attempt ultimately to drive them crazy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This is often referred to as V two K or

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Speaker 1: voice to skull. I'm not sure why it's not V

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Speaker 1: If you go into the corners of the Internet that

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Speaker 1: explore this phenomenon, some of the things you'll hear are

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Speaker 1: electromagnetic torture or electromagnetic harassment or auditory harassment. What are

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Speaker 1: some others? Gang stalking is another one. Yeah, just just

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Speaker 1: electronic mind can roll just the idea that there's generally

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Speaker 1: like a cabal of shadowy individuals that are just outside

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Speaker 1: the street, or in that apartment next to you, and

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Speaker 1: they are just they've got all the technology and they're

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Speaker 1: using it to infiltrate your thoughts. Yeah, so we don't

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Speaker 1: want to mention or call out anyone directly, that's not

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Speaker 1: our intention here. But if you are interested in what

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Speaker 1: this looks like, you can google any of these terms

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Speaker 1: we just mentioned and check out the websites, forums, message

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Speaker 1: boards where people are propagating these ideas. This is a

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Speaker 1: popular idea now, especially that you can find on the internet. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I go to any one of these websites and you'll

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Speaker 1: the search terminology and they you'll find that they serve

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Speaker 1: Petri dish for paranoid delusion UM and and often it

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Speaker 1: transmission we're discussing here. Sometimes it will also throw in

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Speaker 1: things like brainstem implants that have been secretly implanted in

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Speaker 1: persecution of you. Yeah, and these communities have been evident

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Speaker 1: online for a while. There was actually a New York

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Speaker 1: emerging on the Internet, and it raised some interesting questions.

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Speaker 1: I thought one of them was about whether these online

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Speaker 1: groups overall have a positive or negative effect on the

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Speaker 1: people suffering from the belief that they're being harassed by

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Speaker 1: these devices. On one hand, sites like this can allow

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Speaker 1: we were looking at one of these websites before we

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Speaker 1: And so in these particular photographs they were showing, you know,

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Speaker 1: This is clearly where the the implantation took place. So

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Speaker 1: and then there's also a complication that emerges when you're

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Speaker 1: talking about the idea of a delusion because many psychological

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Speaker 1: authorities historically have made exceptions for beliefs held by large

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Speaker 1: If if a belief is part of your religion, it's

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Speaker 1: not considered a delusion. The same is true for cultural

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Speaker 1: what happens if people experiencing similar delusions find each other

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Speaker 1: The the idea of other voices appearing in your head

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Speaker 1: so that's sort of the central idea of this podcast.

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Speaker 1: What is the microwave auditory effect, what causes it, and

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Speaker 1: some qualifications later the extent to which these things can

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Speaker 1: actually be used, but sorry, go ahead. And then number

431
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: three use by law enforcement and nearly military personnel for

432
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: crowd control and asset protection. So this gives into the

433
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: easily imagined scenario of turning it on dangerous crowd the

434
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: proletariat's getting a little rowdy, You beam some microwaves at

435
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: um and I don't know what, I guess they get

436
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: some really awful clicking buzzing and they go home. Still,

437
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: the the the effect has largely remained something of a curio.

438
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: Uh though the U. S. Military you know again, has

439
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: definitely looked into it, and they were a couple of

440
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: of magazine ARTICLETS that came out around two thousand and

441
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: eight from a journalist David Handling. One was published and

442
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: Wired one was published a new Scientists will make sure

443
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: we probably we linked to both of them on the

444
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: landing page for this episode. But Handling looked into the

445
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: US Army study of these technologies, this telepathic ray gun

446
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: and the Medusa as well discussed and he actually interviewed

447
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: a man by the name of Lev satov Nik who

448
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: worked on the Medusa. The mob excess to Trent using

449
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: silent audio device for thee oh, man, those acronyms, let's

450
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: call it Medusa, you guys figure out how the words

451
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: go together, um and uh sad. Sadovnik stated that the

452
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: technology was effective, but here's the that the crucial underlying

453
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: factor it comes with the risk of brain damage due

454
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: to high intensity shock waves generated by the microwave pulse.

455
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: And this is specifically when we're talking about the idea

456
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: of oh, let's let's being some loud, annoying noise into

457
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: that riot or skull. Well loud noise, of course, you

458
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: need large vibrations, and the effects of these large vibrations

459
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: on the brain can be rather startling. Yes. I also

460
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: found some quotes along the same lines as cited in

461
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: an I Tripoli Spectrum article also from two thousand and eight,

462
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: so I think it was reacting to this story as

463
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: published in The New Scientist. But they spoke with Kenneth Foster,

464
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: who was a bioengineering professor at the University of Pennsylvania,

465
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: and Bill Guy, a former professor from University of Washington,

466
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: who had both done research on the microwave auditory effect themselves,

467
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: and both of these guys say that any microwave radiation

468
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: that produced a sound loud enough to be a problem

469
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: for the target would burn the target, so it would

470
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: cook your flesh before it would deep purple you into submission.

471
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: So it's evasically a brain melting death ray instead of

472
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: the the peaceful crowd deterrent that that one would would

473
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: be hoping to create peaceful crowd deterrent. That's a field

474
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: I wish I was said. UM also ran across a

475
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: report titled bio Effects have Selected nonleth the Weapons that

476
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: was leased under the U S Freedom of Information Act

477
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, and this report mentioned a

478
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: microwave weapon able to produce disabling artificial fever by hitting

479
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: a person's body. That sounds like redesignating a bug as

480
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: a feature. Yeah, they're like, well, you know, maybe it

481
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: doesn't so much as annoy them as it makes them

482
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: feel physically ill. Uh. But no tests were actually mentioned

483
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: in the report, thank goodness. Um, but it did that.

484
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: It did state that the the necessary equipment already existed,

485
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: the necessary technology already existed, and that it would take

486
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: at least fifteen minutes to achieve the desired incapacitating effect.

487
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: So I guess in this case, you would just point

488
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: the apparatus at the crowd and then just wait for

489
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: people to give up, to get hot and fevery and

490
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: wander off. Yeah. I don't know. I don't really know

491
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 1: what happens inside the government weapons research, but just as

492
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: an outsider, it kind of sounds like they found out

493
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: that this cooks you before it makes the sound, and

494
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: then they're like, how can we sell this? Yeah, and

495
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem like it really went any further

496
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, but we should talk about some of

497
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: the details of this supposed MEDUSA device. Yes. Uh, that

498
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and four Navy Phase one Summer report that

499
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier said the quote through the combination of

500
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: pulse parameters and pulse power, is possible to raise the

501
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: auditory sensation to the discomfort level the touring personnel from

502
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: entering a protected perimeter or if necessary, temper rarely incapacitating

503
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: particular individuals, which again is the goal, but it it

504
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: doesn't really match up with with what the technology will

505
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: actually do individual So that was the phase one report.

506
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: I think I read that it didn't actually proceed beyond that,

507
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: did it. I don't believe though, because you know, it

508
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: was all worded very much in the optimistic, you know,

509
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: phrasing of you know, all right, this is gonna be portable,

510
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna require low power, it's gonna have a comfortable

511
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: radius of coverage and switch from crowd to individual coverage

512
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: at the flip of a switch. You know, it was

513
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: very much selling the wonders of this and and and

514
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: trying to you know, get it funded. But but as

515
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: it turns out, of course, as we've discussed, there are

516
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: some major health risks involved here, mainly brain melting, yes,

517
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: cooking or melting or or at least brain damage created

518
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: by this shock wave inside the soft tissues of the

519
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: head that eventually is what conveys the sound to the ear.

520
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be good for the person who's on

521
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: the receiving end of this. It may injure them, it

522
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: may cause permanent disability or damage, or i'd imagine as

523
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: a certain level of power, it could even kill you.

524
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: So it leads us to them explore, well, what about

525
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: the lower wave links. What if we just focus on whispers,

526
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: something soft, something that wouldn't be you know, will probably

527
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: not be that effective in calming like a raging, rioting

528
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: individual down, but would have a more subtle effect. And indeed,

529
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: doctor sadovnik Um in those papers that we discussed earlier

530
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: from handling, he suggested that in that it might be used,

531
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: this technology might be used at a low power to produce,

532
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 1: you know, a whisper that you could you could certainly

533
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: perceive consciously or even sudden. It might even be a

534
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: subconscious effect if the power level were low enough, so

535
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: you could have essentially a low whisper um manifesting in

536
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,239
Speaker 1: the skull of the targeted individual. Or it could be

537
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: something just come pletely subconscious. They're not they don't even

538
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: realize they're hearing a voice. Yeah, Now, just based on

539
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: what I've read. I'm not convinced that it has been

540
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: shown that you could do even a whisper without maybe

541
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: risking some health effects. I'm not sure what the answer

542
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: is on that, or certainly it hasn't been approved for

543
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: such usage by any governmental body that you know. These

544
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: are sort of lab conditions we're talking about, But I

545
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: got to wondering, Okay, it's quite obvious, if you want

546
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: to get really cynical, what somebody could do with a

547
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: machine that causes the sound of whispers inside your head

548
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: that nobody else can hear unless they're standing in the

549
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: same microwave beam as you. But this could also possibly

550
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: have some peaceful applications, right, Yeah, And they've been at

551
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: least two different patents that have been filed for hearing devices.

552
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: The first one was filed in December nineteenth nine three

553
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: by UH Satellite by Philip Stockland of Satellite Beach, Florida.

554
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm reading, and apparently apparently this technology didn't pan out.

555
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: But then a second pattern UH was filed by a

556
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: private and entity in which was a hearing system that

557
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: would use the microwave auditory effect to recreate sound in

558
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: the human skull. That's interesting and I mean if that

559
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: could be done for people with hearing impairments, obviously it

560
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: would be great. Yeah, as long as it didn't cause

561
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: brain damage. You're right, their heads, and then as long

562
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: as there's some sort of block there to keep you

563
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: from raising it to brain melting levels. And then uh.

564
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: The U. S. Air Force filed a patent for method

565
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: and Device for implementing the radio frequency hearing effect, which

566
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: was accepted in two thousand two, and then they modified

567
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: it to apparatus for audibly communicating speech using the radio

568
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: frequency hearing effects. So, in other words, looking at it

569
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: as a possible skull to skull um communication system, kind

570
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: of a Twitter direct message from skull to skull. Right now,

571
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: I can see how the decoding happens, but how does

572
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: the encoding happen? I don't know. I guess you would

573
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: have to you know, like you like, I see how

574
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: you receive it, but how do you send it? Um?

575
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean maybe maybe it would work along the same

576
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: lines as any kind of like speech to text, uh

577
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: kind of programming, you know, speaking to a microphone and

578
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: then it becomes text on the screen. You're essentially turning

579
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: your own speech into electronic information that then is transformed

580
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: into the correct modulation of of microwaves that are then

581
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: sent to the receiving device. Yeah. I mean I'm wondering

582
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: in what way this is better than just having a

583
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: radio receiver with some with like a player that makes

584
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: noise in your ear. Yeah, And I think, why is

585
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: it better than headphones? And I think that's probably the

586
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: issue here is when you start throwing in the technology

587
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: necessary to make it work, you no longer really need

588
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: the microwave auditory effect to utilize it. It's kind of

589
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: I used to when I used to drive to a

590
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: job about a decade ago. I used to pass this

591
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: house where there was a trailer, and they built all

592
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: this stuff around it. They kept adding onto the trailer,

593
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: and then one day I drove past and they pulled

594
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: the trailer out of the middle. So it's kind of

595
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: the same scenario. I feel like the microwave auditory effect,

596
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: by the time you build it up, by the time

597
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 1: you add on to it and try to make something

598
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: functional about it, you don't need the trailer anymore. The

599
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: trailer is just something that could potentially melt your brain.

600
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: Now that being said, um, you know, there there's still

601
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: some other you know, military applications that are more on

602
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: the the subtle side. Um, now, I think these are

603
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: all these are all things that have been suggested, things

604
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: that have been done in practice. Yeah, and again these

605
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: are I have a feeling most of these that if

606
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: you tried and you would still have a trailer effect,

607
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: if you would have to pull the trailer out and

608
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: realize it doesn't quite work. But what are they that

609
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: you could use it to talk to selected adversaries in

610
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: a fashion that would disturb them. So again, whisper into

611
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: the enemy. Uh you know, presume really in that trench

612
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: over there in your World War One style combat scenario. Um,

613
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: you could you could inspire mutiny exactly. Yeah. Uh. You

614
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: could also be used as a decoy and deception concept apparently. Uh,

615
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, create the perception of noise in the head

616
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: of enemy personnel, so you like try to create sound

617
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: that would indicate an attack has started when it hasn't

618
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, or right. It makes me think of

619
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: some sort of metal gear solid scenario where you use

620
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: a little device to make the soldier walk the enemy

621
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: soldier walk down the hallway and check out a box

622
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: in the corner, and when you sneak path that's sort

623
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: of um. And then again some sort of private messaging

624
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: transmission system, which doesn't sound like it would really work

625
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: all that well. As long as we're talking about military inventions,

626
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: that they would surely have to invent some way to

627
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: protect your brain from harmful microwaves, be it brain melting

628
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: or just some sort of nefarious suggestion. You know, this

629
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: is much easier to do than you might expect. I

630
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: actually tried. I I did this based on some stuff

631
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: I was reading on the internet last night and this

632
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: morning about the V two K attacks, and I read

633
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: about an experiment I decided I would try for myself.

634
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: It goes like this, Your cell phone receives microwaves, that's

635
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: how it gets the information coming in. So I got

636
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of aluminum foil and I wrapped my

637
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: cell phone up in aluminum foil, and then I had

638
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: Robert try to call it. Did it ring? No, it

639
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: did not know it did successfully blocked my attempts to

640
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: infiltrate it with microwaves. Yeah, and this is playing out now.

641
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: This might not be exactly analogous to the microwave attacks

642
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: that would be coming at your head from some kind

643
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: of weapon like this because that you know, the power

644
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: densities might be different, but if someone's aiming a microwave

645
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Speaker 1: based weapon at you, you should be able to protect

646
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: yourself with some kind of metal shielding. In most cases,

647
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: a conductive material like metal can shield against all kinds

648
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: of a ectromagnetic waves over a certain wavelength. So, for example,

649
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: why does your microwave oven cook food on the inside

650
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: of the oven but not stuff sitting right beside the

651
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: oven on the outside. It's because the inside of the

652
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: oven is, you know, the cooking cavity is a sort

653
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: of inside out Faraday cage. It's made of metal and

654
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: metal mesh in the window to prevent microwaves from escaping.

655
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: So if you want to protect yourself from incoming microwaves,

656
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: you can build a Faraday cage or just an enclosure

657
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: of conductive metal. Yeah. That this the classic tinfoil hat scenario. Yeah,

658
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: though from what I was reading, I think a tinfoil

659
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: hat might not exactly work because it doesn't enclose fully.

660
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: But you could make a tinfoil uh mask that goes

661
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: all around your head and that would do this. Yeah,

662
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: So basically like Magneto's helmet made out of tinfoil, and

663
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: then with a kind of a see through cage on

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Speaker 1: the front. Also can made of tin. Yeah, it wouldn't

665
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: even need to be solid, because like a ritate cage shows,

666
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: if you're talking about certain types of electromagnetic radiation waves

667
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: over a certain wavelength, a a mesh will do fine.

668
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be solid, so you could see

669
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: through it. You can put a mesh mask on your head. Like, what,

670
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: what did you compare it to earlier? Oh? I guess

671
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: like the like the face shackles and cages that you

672
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: would say put around individuals heads and say medieval times,

673
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: you're being punished for being awful, so you have to

674
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: march through the town with this on your head. But

675
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: you know I'm willing, so you're protected. Yeah. So if

676
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: we actually did create these weapons bringing them onto the battlefield,

677
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: vans that are transmitting microwave energy weapon pulses at the enemies,

678
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: they can just put some screens over their heads and

679
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: they should be okay, okay, at just I would think.

680
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: So there might be aspects of this weapon that I'm

681
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: not fully understanding. I fully admit I'm not an expert

682
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: on directed beam energy weapons. Now, I noticed that most

683
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: of these articles we're looking at. They don't really get

684
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: into the you know, the more entertainment based uses for this,

685
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, um, you know, and a salesmanship too. You

686
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: could have a store display that whispers in your ear.

687
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: You could just have some sort of enhanced music listening experience,

688
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: erotic movie posters that get way too personal. Oh no,

689
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: Or how about this comes to the new Friday the

690
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: thirteenth movie filmed in whisper vision. Yeah, you have the

691
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: so you get a hold on you're there in the

692
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: theater and suddenly, yes, directly into your skull. Yeah. Now,

693
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: then again, what would be the benefit of that over

694
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: just playing it on speakers? Well, what's the benefit of

695
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: any blank slash vision or you know, any kind of

696
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: B movie a gimmick to get people in the theaters.

697
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: You don't really need to smell the movie or or

698
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: have your seat tremble, but have your seat electric ket Yeah,

699
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: but you know, you could go down in the history

700
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: books like, remember remember whisper vision they used it like

701
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: two times ever And remember when I got brain damage

702
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: Friday exactly, And of course you know you can't remember,

703
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: I can't, you got I have literally melted my brain

704
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: that film. Um, then of course, finally, just to draw

705
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: in a couple of past episodes that we've had, you

706
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: could have potentially used this in your technology based religion.

707
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: I want to come back to that, but go on.

708
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: And then also for echo borgs, right, you need the

709
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: your artificial intelligence to communicate its words through you. Well,

710
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: maybe it could use the microwave auditory effect. Okay, yeah,

711
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: I like that. That would make it even harder to

712
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: detect that you're getting some of your lines from a

713
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: synthetic serrano. And also if you get out of line,

714
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: it just melts your brain. If you if you if

715
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: you betray the eco borg contract, if you violated to trust.

716
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: Help me, I'm being controlled by a computer around melt

717
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: you right there and on the podium, man, that's tough.

718
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: Except the thing that we need to remember about this,

719
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: and this is something that I think often gets lost

720
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: in the shuffle, especially when people are talking about the

721
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: people who believe in you know, v t K harassment

722
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: and attacks, is that this is a beamed things. So

723
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: even if you imagine that someone is really using technology

724
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: like this on you, it would be a beam that

725
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: anybody in the beam would receive it. It's not like

726
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: it that can just synchronize to you and just you. Yeah,

727
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: it would be exceedingly difficult to target an individual just

728
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: throughout the course of his or her day, you know,

729
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: to just if there was the shadowy caball of individuals

730
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: and they had this device it, it would just be

731
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: way too difficult for them to carry this out, Like,

732
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 1: how would you effectively utilize it against them? Uh? Throughout

733
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: their day? You just couldn't do it. You could maybe

734
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: hit them while they're sleeping, like that wouldn't that would

735
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: make it more You'd have to set up again and

736
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: every time they move so and then why how come

737
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: other people who just walked in front of them wouldn't

738
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: hear it? Yeah, And again it just also comes back

739
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: to why are they so interested in you? What is

740
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: it about you? Why are they making your life miserable?

741
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: Why are they why are they subjecting you to this

742
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: electronic torture? Certainly a good question to ask, But I

743
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: wanted to come back to the thing about the techno

744
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: religion because, as we can observe throughout history, very often

745
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: things that eventually become fairly accepted or even mainstream religions

746
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: start off as small communities that are you know, propagating

747
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: beliefs that almost no one else accepts or take seriously.

748
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: But once they've been around for a while, people just

749
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: accept their beliefs and say, Okay, this is part of

750
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: our culture. Now they're these certain people who believe X.

751
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: So because these people are coming together on the Internet

752
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: now and have the ability to form communities based around

753
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: the beliefs that they have, I wonder if overtime belief

754
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: in electromagnetic voice propagation and electromagnetic torture will morph into

755
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: a religion gin or fairly mainstream religion type belief. Yeah.

756
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: We'll have to check back in a hundred years, two

757
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: hundred years and see where we are, all right. So

758
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: there you have it the two K. I do want

759
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: to close out though, by seriously saying that if you

760
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: find yourself hearing voices in your daily life, um I

761
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: do go seek professional help because it's it's something that

762
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: you need to get checked out with by a mental

763
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: health professional. That's my that's my advice. Yeah, like I

764
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: said at the beginning, it's not our goal just to

765
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: tell you that what you think is happening to you

766
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 1: is not happening to you. I know that that's not

767
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: really helpful, but at least you should seek the help

768
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: of someone who is a psychiatric health care professional. In

769
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: the same way that the people on the online forum

770
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: are going to make you feel as if you were

771
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: not alone, I think you can get that same feeling

772
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: and that same reassurance from mental health care professional because

773
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: certainly you are not alone. There are other people who

774
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: deal with this and and have have come out the

775
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: other end of it, so there is hope. Yeah, all right,

776
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: So if you want more on this particular topic, check

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Speaker 1: Blow your Mind dot com. I'll bet we'll be sure

779
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: to include some links out to some of these resources

780
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: who we've discussed the key papers that for instance, and

781
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. Also, that's all

782
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,600
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784
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785
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: experiences or share any positive applications you could think of

786
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: for a voice to skull technology. If it wouldn't melt

787
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: your brain, that is, you can let us know it.

788
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