Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast, the alternative rock of football podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal in a virtual room filled with a hero.
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler's with me on a show unlike any other. Mark,
Speaker 1: We've never done a mini post Christmas recap. I hope
Speaker 1: your Christmas was great. Consider this like the Heat and
Speaker 1: Light podcast, except it's like the Cold and Dark podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very there's a very similar vibe to that show. Um,
Speaker 1: and what we're about to bring to the listener right now.
Speaker 1: I hope you had a good Christmas too. We texted
Speaker 1: a little bit late at night. Um, there was NonStop
Speaker 1: football starting here on the West Coast at ten am
Speaker 1: until deep into the evening. And I think that's how
Speaker 1: the NFL wants it. It was a lot of football.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be like that every year. It is
Speaker 1: rare that I guess Christmas will fall on a Sunday.
Speaker 1: I did go back. I noticed last time it was
Speaker 1: on a Sunday, it was two games though, so they
Speaker 1: did push it a little farther In seven years. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to the podcast when there's seven games on
Speaker 1: Christmas Sunday. Yeah, Justin Graver also with us. Dan uh
Speaker 1: is sitting this one out, and Uh we'll be back
Speaker 1: with Dan on our regular least scheduled Tuesday show. I
Speaker 1: hope everyone out there had a great Christmas, including you,
Speaker 1: Justin and Uh. Let's get to the first game. Let's
Speaker 1: start in the a f C where the biggest games
Speaker 1: were really played. I think the best game that we
Speaker 1: haven't covered. We have Christmas Eve to cover and the
Speaker 1: three Christmas games. The best of those games was played
Speaker 1: in Miami. Chucking down and six now for Miami. The
Speaker 1: thirty one yard line of the Dolphins, snap two and
Speaker 1: looking running Peza right side, Sucker, Sucker pro souls Douglas
Speaker 1: and there is your Tucker. The Packers defense coming through
Speaker 1: in a big spot out of nowhere to twenty. That
Speaker 1: was to a tongue of Viola's third interception of the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter alone. My god, what a mountdown after the
Speaker 1: Dolphins raced out to a twenty to ten lead, had
Speaker 1: a chance to go up even bigger before halftime, and
Speaker 1: then it all fell apart in the second half mark.
Speaker 1: The Packers are alive in the playoff race, and the
Speaker 1: Dolphins let you down because I know you wanted the
Speaker 1: Dolphins to win this game, right, you know what I
Speaker 1: want to see was just the Dolphins kind of um
Speaker 1: proved that the last the troubles they encountered over the
Speaker 1: last you know, three three plus weeks outside of the
Speaker 1: Buffalo showing were a typical of them, that they aren't
Speaker 1: that team that they had that they had a chance to,
Speaker 1: you know, as a young in a young system, first
Speaker 1: year head coach, come back and show they were the
Speaker 1: team from the early part of the season. I mean, instead,
Speaker 1: it keeps Green Bay completely alive, and I think this
Speaker 1: is a very different Packers team then I feel like
Speaker 1: I was watching, you know, weeks ago, they've kind of
Speaker 1: changed themselves, especially on defense. But um, the narrative around
Speaker 1: to Uh, I think it's really fair just to look
Speaker 1: at his body of work over the last you know,
Speaker 1: three or four games and say there are a lot
Speaker 1: of questions about to like he was in the perfect environment,
Speaker 1: the perfect scheme, and you know, like they didn't use
Speaker 1: the Packers didn't use a ton of man to man
Speaker 1: coverage the same way that we saw early on with
Speaker 1: the Niners game and then against the Chargers it was
Speaker 1: a lot of zone and they still figured him out.
Speaker 1: He seemed to sort of lost to me. I thought
Speaker 1: all three of his picks were really on him. It
Speaker 1: wasn't one of these situations where if you watch it,
Speaker 1: it's bouncing off of two people. He admitted each of
Speaker 1: me went through one by one by one each of
Speaker 1: the picks and just sort of said the last one
Speaker 1: was a communication issue. But they were onto uh and
Speaker 1: it and it's sabotage the Dolphins, who really had no
Speaker 1: business losing this game with all the big plays they
Speaker 1: got early on right, Like you mentioned it that the
Speaker 1: Packers defense in the first half of the game. It
Speaker 1: was the Packers defense we saw a year. They had
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy yards at halftime. The Dolphins, I
Speaker 1: thought they could have had about thirty five points at halftime.
Speaker 1: And two it was playing great. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: throwing the ball with anticipation and he was right on
Speaker 1: the money. You had the eighty yard or to Jalen
Speaker 1: Waddle at one point to a had completed five passes
Speaker 1: for a hundred in ninety two yards, which is just wild.
Speaker 1: And they were up twenty to ten, and the defense
Speaker 1: for the Packers looked like they weren't going to get
Speaker 1: a stop and Geron Reid caused a fumble right before halftime.
Speaker 1: It was twenty to ten and the Dolphins were theoretically
Speaker 1: driving UH to go ahead, maybe twenty seven to ten.
Speaker 1: At that point in the game. The only way the
Speaker 1: Dolphins had stopped was penalties and like mistakes. To actually
Speaker 1: fritzed out and fumbled the ball on the third down
Speaker 1: early in the game. That was a little canary in
Speaker 1: the coal mine for what was gonna come, because there
Speaker 1: was a a couple of times in the game he
Speaker 1: just did not show much poise. But they recovered that fumble,
Speaker 1: they kicked the field goal on that drive UH and
Speaker 1: the Packers seemed like they had no answer. They forced
Speaker 1: the fumble there, they get a field goal before halftime,
Speaker 1: it's only seven points, and then the second half defensively
Speaker 1: was totally opposite. This is a major league concerning game.
Speaker 1: For two, We'll get to green Bay quickly, and we're
Speaker 1: not gonna like make this an hour long show. Mark.
Speaker 1: I know you don't want it, but I do think
Speaker 1: the one thing about green Bay that that felt to
Speaker 1: me like they Aaron Rodgers for all the little items
Speaker 1: that I find annoying about him at times, Um he
Speaker 1: seems locked in on the fact that like their playoff
Speaker 1: chances are real right now. He mentioned it over and over.
Speaker 1: Everything went right on Saturday for green Bay, and I
Speaker 1: thought they approached this game where they kind of win
Speaker 1: or die situation. They went for five fourth downs, Um,
Speaker 1: I think they converted three of them. They had that
Speaker 1: bizarre fake punt from their own twenty, which um was
Speaker 1: a box job. But to their credit, the defense from
Speaker 1: their own twenty allowed just to field gol to Miami.
Speaker 1: That could have been like a backbreaking kind of situational
Speaker 1: problem for green Bay right there. Not that they were
Speaker 1: very aggressive. Aaron Rodgers didn't look perfect to me, Um,
Speaker 1: he made just enough throws. I think you lose. We
Speaker 1: gotta see what goes on a Christian Watson because it's
Speaker 1: a hip injury, and you know that, to me, losing
Speaker 1: him is a major issue for green Bay if he
Speaker 1: goes out. He's been a star for them. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was weird because they actually weren't unbelievable offensively. Off all
Speaker 1: those turnovers four turnovers, they scored nine points, so they
Speaker 1: didn't get a touchdown off the turnovers, and then they
Speaker 1: had the kickoff return to start the game. Which returned
Speaker 1: the ball to about the ten yard line Keshan Nixon,
Speaker 1: who also got hurt. So two explosive players for the
Speaker 1: for the Packers, Watson and Nixon got hurt and they
Speaker 1: only got three points off of that. So Rodgers was
Speaker 1: up and down, and I thought it was telling he
Speaker 1: had told the announcers like, I'm glad I can really
Speaker 1: play quarterback this week. I hated the way where the
Speaker 1: Rams played us, and what that meant was like Rogers
Speaker 1: was gonna just hold the ball forever, try to make
Speaker 1: a play, make some hero ball plays, and he hit
Speaker 1: of you hit a bunch of them, and he missed
Speaker 1: a bunch of them too. He did not play well
Speaker 1: in the first half, but he got it done. And
Speaker 1: the to a the two interceptions you mentioned, how he
Speaker 1: went through it one by one. Okay, the third one
Speaker 1: to me was by far the most concerning because at
Speaker 1: that point he had already been picked off twice in
Speaker 1: a row to start the fourth quarter. First one was
Speaker 1: just like a bad throw where he tried to force
Speaker 1: it in there between four guys and it would have
Speaker 1: had been perfect, and it was just a bad decision
Speaker 1: and a bad throw. The next one where he mostter
Speaker 1: and him weren't on the same page that that One's
Speaker 1: hard to really know what happened there. But uh, another
Speaker 1: play where it seemed like to a predetermined what he
Speaker 1: was gonna do, and that was what happened on that
Speaker 1: last play. Some smarter people than me pointed out to
Speaker 1: a you know, has the open receiver underneath here. The
Speaker 1: coverage dictated he absolutely had to throw it to the
Speaker 1: underneath receiver. It would have been a first down. And
Speaker 1: it was like he was already in his own head
Speaker 1: and was gonna throw the deeper throw and the Packers
Speaker 1: read it and picked it off. And uh, I give
Speaker 1: I give them credit for making a bunch of plays,
Speaker 1: but to a oh Man to have that sort of
Speaker 1: confidence issues coming into the home stretch. Mike McDaniel was
Speaker 1: asked about it after the game, and I thought what
Speaker 1: he said was pretty telling. It's a challenge, but it's
Speaker 1: also something that, um, you know, every quarterback really goes through.
Speaker 1: It's a you know, it's kind of one of those uh,
Speaker 1: you know, necessary things that you have to that you
Speaker 1: have to really figure out how you you don't let
Speaker 1: mistakes snowball. Um. And that's one of the reasons you
Speaker 1: know that the approach and and the and the way
Speaker 1: we've gone about things has been so intentional in that
Speaker 1: regard because you can't you can't let past influence the present. UM.
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, there could be something
Speaker 1: some portions that that have to that have to do
Speaker 1: with you know, him kind of snowballing um in his
Speaker 1: own mind. UM. But he's such a strong individual that
Speaker 1: you know. The good news is that I'm very confident
Speaker 1: that he'll he'll be able to get through that. Um.
Speaker 1: It's just that this team UM needs him. It's a
Speaker 1: chunky sound bite there. You know. Sometimes I'm like Daniel
Speaker 1: feels like you're driving across the country with someone and
Speaker 1: he's riding shotgun and you realize he just talked for
Speaker 1: six straight minutes and you're just focused on the road.
Speaker 1: But UM, I am that person though. But that that uh,
Speaker 1: that Sutbay was concerning though, Like I think he was
Speaker 1: kind of saying, like, yeah, I am a little concerned.
Speaker 1: That was a question about to his confidence specifically, Well,
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, to a first of all, on
Speaker 1: the on the monster throw, he said that he might
Speaker 1: have called he was wondering if he called the wrong
Speaker 1: play which is you know, that's a concerning thing, December.
Speaker 1: I don't know for a quarterback, if that just stuff
Speaker 1: happens here and there, I would imagine it doesn't you
Speaker 1: were your way out of it. But this is a
Speaker 1: guy that, like that story came out mid season where
Speaker 1: he was asking himself a year ago, do I suck
Speaker 1: at this? Like? I mean, I think there is um,
Speaker 1: maybe not a steel confidence there with him. In Secondly,
Speaker 1: you look at this offense and the way he's been
Speaker 1: helped by Tyreek Hill and Jail and wild just like
Speaker 1: pointed the Cats stuff where it's like if he had
Speaker 1: to pedestrian White outs, Um, you're getting the two of
Speaker 1: from other years. And so I doing his game has
Speaker 1: been elevated by that, and teams have figured him out
Speaker 1: to some degree. I think there's a competence thing going on,
Speaker 1: and like Mike McDaniel sounds a little down there. They've
Speaker 1: got the Patriots on the road and then they've got
Speaker 1: the Jets who have Mike White back in the finale.
Speaker 1: So their their path to the playoffs, which seemed assured,
Speaker 1: is in hot water right now. Right they've lost fourth straight,
Speaker 1: they're still in good position. You win those two games
Speaker 1: you get in. Even if you split those games, you
Speaker 1: have a decent chance. But there's a whole mess of
Speaker 1: things going on, and the fact that the broadcast talks
Speaker 1: so much about like he had to rebuild to his confidence,
Speaker 1: Like I love the honesty and love like these guys
Speaker 1: being open and vulnerable, but sometimes you almost don't want
Speaker 1: you want your quarterback to have its blind confidence in
Speaker 1: toa was also you know, quoted earlier this year or
Speaker 1: in some reports that like after that concussion, like he
Speaker 1: had talked to his family about his future as a
Speaker 1: as a pro um. And it's just it's a lot
Speaker 1: everything feels like on the precipice for this team, playoffs,
Speaker 1: future of this team. We don't need to get into
Speaker 1: all that now quickly. On the Packers, Uh, they're at
Speaker 1: seven and eight. Everything that needed to happen for them
Speaker 1: this weekend did happen. The Lions lost, uh, the Seahawks lost,
Speaker 1: the Commanders lost. Even the Giants, who in theory could uh,
Speaker 1: I guess being in that mix of falling out of
Speaker 1: the playoffs lost. The Packers have a good chance to
Speaker 1: make it to the playoffs if they win their final
Speaker 1: two games, which will not be easy. Against Minnesota in Detroit.
Speaker 1: There's a real chance, Mark here Detroit green Bay is
Speaker 1: the final game of the year on Sunday Night football,
Speaker 1: although about four things need to happen for that to happen,
Speaker 1: and that would include that the Commanders and the Seahawks
Speaker 1: losing in Week seventeen. That would set up a winning
Speaker 1: in like playoff game between the Lions and the pack
Speaker 1: I'm willing to accept at this point that the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers are probably going to the playoffs and some
Speaker 1: poor division winning team, well, I guess would probably be
Speaker 1: I don't know it's gonna be the some poor division
Speaker 1: winning team is going to have to deal with Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers um who's becoming San Francisco. I know. I just
Speaker 1: think that's sort of sort of a hot mess for
Speaker 1: whoever stood confront Green Bay in January out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about it during the week. I'm not
Speaker 1: totally buying that they're gonna pull this off, but I
Speaker 1: gotta admit I think they make it more interesting. So
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this result, if only because it makes the
Speaker 1: a F c Rest race messier and the NFC race messier.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the other a F c game. Uh,
Speaker 1: someone locked up the Dolphins. Grave digger, How is your Christmas?
Speaker 1: It was great. We had a really nice Christmas, Yes,
Speaker 1: and I with some family FaceTime calls. But I did
Speaker 1: lock up the Dolphin, and so they kind of ruined
Speaker 1: by Christmas a little bit in the morning, but enough
Speaker 1: time to get over it later in the day. I
Speaker 1: don't get didn't even watch this game. I watched the
Speaker 1: last bit of I said to his last interception, I
Speaker 1: love I love Graver, He's a football guy. I don't
Speaker 1: get the sense that losing this locker that the Christmas
Speaker 1: Day results. Uh, we're getting him too worked up. And
Speaker 1: that's to your credit, justin that's a compliment. You're also
Speaker 1: so far removed from the top slot that the drama
Speaker 1: around you winning or losing on a weekly basis has
Speaker 1: been um diminished. Yes, I'm five games back of Greg.
Speaker 1: Now I'm in last. Even though I lost this week,
Speaker 1: so he didn't lose any ground. He's still in the
Speaker 1: eight to eight to play. Uh, you're not in it
Speaker 1: at all. You know who is in it, just barely,
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. Let's get to their game. Shotgun snap four.
Speaker 1: Maron Rush first for the h Steelers with just forty
Speaker 1: six seconds weft chump. Yes, oh yeah, pick at the Pickens,
Speaker 1: pick at the Pickens. That was w d V. Bill
Speaker 1: Hargrove on the call along with Craig Wolfley. I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever read the the call letters before. This
Speaker 1: is you know, new times here ten years in. Totally
Speaker 1: forgot on the Dolphins game to George Pickens capped a
Speaker 1: stirring finish on the fiftieth anniversary of the Immaculate Reception
Speaker 1: in the week that we lost Franco Harris. Kenny Picket
Speaker 1: had a drive that he's gonna always be remembered for.
Speaker 1: I kind of hope he has a great career with
Speaker 1: the Steelers, just so that we can look back mark
Speaker 1: on this one as like the moment it all took
Speaker 1: off and they knew that pick it was their guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a second fourth quarter comeback of his rookie season.
Speaker 1: And I mean this was I mean, we forget because
Speaker 1: it seems like a million years ago, but that's Saturday
Speaker 1: cluster of game is that was so impacted by weather.
Speaker 1: That was absolutely true in this one too. I thought
Speaker 1: it was just absolutely frigid out there and both offenses
Speaker 1: were pretty much asleep at the wheel for large chunks
Speaker 1: of time to so see picket to go do that.
Speaker 1: At the end, UM was commendable. I think that if
Speaker 1: you're the way that they got to that thirteen to
Speaker 1: ten result was a Raiders offense that the things that
Speaker 1: have worked for them completely dried up. I mean Davante
Speaker 1: Adams fifteen yards on the day Josh Jacobs held a
Speaker 1: forty four. It's the first time he had a hundred
Speaker 1: under a hundred total yards from scrimmage in seven weeks.
Speaker 1: That's sort of been the the key to their offense
Speaker 1: in general. And you have Derek Carr completely melting down
Speaker 1: UM when it mattered most. He was one for nine
Speaker 1: with thirty four yards and an interception that passes of
Speaker 1: ten plus are yards. So they had really very little
Speaker 1: vertical attack to speak of. UM In the Raiders, which
Speaker 1: I thought were a fraudulent team, although they were getting
Speaker 1: a little spicy UM in a big spot against the
Speaker 1: Steelers team, they really should have viewed themselves as a
Speaker 1: better than Pittsburgh in general. UM, I don't know if
Speaker 1: they are. I think the Steelers are gonna end with
Speaker 1: a winning record. They're gonna do it they're gonna be
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, in Cleveland, and this whole Tomlin first leading
Speaker 1: record business is not gonna happen. They would be funny
Speaker 1: if they went eight and one again, like they get
Speaker 1: a tie in one of these two games and do
Speaker 1: that back to back years. The Steelers are not out
Speaker 1: of the playoff mixed yet at seven and eight, but
Speaker 1: unlike a lot of a f C teams that are
Speaker 1: seven and eight the Patriots, for instance, the Steelers are
Speaker 1: buried in tiebreakers. There's still only eleventh in the conference.
Speaker 1: Their percentage, according um to five thirty eight to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs only went up from one percent entering the
Speaker 1: week to three percent coming out of the week. And
Speaker 1: it's because they're two and seven or now they're three
Speaker 1: and seven in the conference, and they basically lose every
Speaker 1: single tiebreaker there is. And uh, if the Dolphins or Chargers, Uh,
Speaker 1: if the Dolphins win another game, basically they're out, or
Speaker 1: they each win one more game, so they still almost
Speaker 1: certainly aren't going to make the playoffs. But I think
Speaker 1: you can remember this game if you're a Steelers fan.
Speaker 1: In the end of this season as something encouraging. Cam
Speaker 1: Hayward was awesome. You mentioned the defense was dominant the
Speaker 1: Raiders last nine drives after they had the touchdown drive
Speaker 1: to start the game. They had a total of seven
Speaker 1: first downs in car through three interceptions. In the second
Speaker 1: half of this game, Mark the Raiders had fifty yards
Speaker 1: in three first down So you're right, like, even though
Speaker 1: Picket got his chance to do it and he did
Speaker 1: make good, it really was a good drive and he
Speaker 1: played a good fourth quarter. They had three points entree
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter and they scored ten in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. And the weather was absolutely a huge factor.
Speaker 1: It's still is something that pick it in the big moments,
Speaker 1: made some big throws. He had one on the sideline
Speaker 1: of the touchdown was a rip. Certainly he made good
Speaker 1: decisions and cards didn't man that last interception like the
Speaker 1: guys open. And you mentioned Jared Goff struggling in the
Speaker 1: call the other day. Derek Carr's numbers in weather under
Speaker 1: forty degrees is like, is outrage a slee bad And
Speaker 1: this was the story of the Raiders season. And these
Speaker 1: late season results I think have impact on what's going
Speaker 1: to happen moving forward. And I just don't think the
Speaker 1: Raiders are gonna have Derek car next year. I completely
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think this is the kind of
Speaker 1: thing where and if you go listen you could you
Speaker 1: can look find this on Twitter pretty easily. Josh Jacobs
Speaker 1: what he had to say about essentially the entire offense, UM,
Speaker 1: the plan, what's told to them before the games, and
Speaker 1: what the results are um seems so dejected and down.
Speaker 1: I I doubt that Josh Jacobs is back. I don't
Speaker 1: think Derek Carr is back. Well, I'm saying, you know,
Speaker 1: they could offer him money and no one else does him.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he changed the tag for him. Sure, but
Speaker 1: I just I I listened to him speak and he
Speaker 1: just seemed um and of course you know it came
Speaker 1: after loss, but extremely dejected. And I'm with you. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you can really roll out the concept
Speaker 1: of Josh McDaniels and Derek Carr next season when it's
Speaker 1: as easy to get out of his deal as it
Speaker 1: is depending on what comes their way, Like if it's
Speaker 1: a Tom Brady situation, check your later, Derek Carr. But
Speaker 1: if there's nothing avail boil, then they run it back. Perhaps, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could probably get a a good pick for Car,
Speaker 1: I think, But I do think this has probably been
Speaker 1: cars worst season since the first season after his broken
Speaker 1: leg where he started. He kind of struggled when he
Speaker 1: first came back, and then since then it had been
Speaker 1: a slow build and he's been he's been struggling, And um,
Speaker 1: I loved for the Steelers to all come to the
Speaker 1: stadium wearing the thirty two jersey and they have the
Speaker 1: emotional halftime celebration. It just felt like the most Steelers
Speaker 1: thing ever. This is why you knew. You knew, Mark
Speaker 1: that like the steel You've watched enough Steelers over the
Speaker 1: years that the Steelers, even though this is a weird
Speaker 1: Steelers season, We're going to create something magical and im
Speaker 1: like I said on the fifty at the anniversary of
Speaker 1: that game, they scored ten points in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: just to win thirteen ten Um fifty years ago, they
Speaker 1: scored ten points in the fourth quarter to win thirteen
Speaker 1: to seven. Like on a day with absolutely no offense,
Speaker 1: you locked it up. That was smarter it. I felt
Speaker 1: it was one of the rare times where like I
Speaker 1: switched my lock and I just felt like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: this is a home run. Because there's so much weight
Speaker 1: on this franchise and not a negative weight just to
Speaker 1: pat like a total absolute passion to go win this
Speaker 1: game after what happened with Frank o' harris and I
Speaker 1: was gutting it out. I mean, it was just you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was tight. But somehow you just believe
Speaker 1: in Tomlin and the Steelers and situations like this, and again,
Speaker 1: I think they beat Baltimore, who is a compromised team
Speaker 1: right now, and they will beat Cleveland and they'll end
Speaker 1: up nine and eight and we'll see what happens from there.
Speaker 1: This is an absolute Steelers esque end of the season, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and and their young guys stepping it like Naj Harris
Speaker 1: having the big game. He had a hundred and five
Speaker 1: yards from scrimmage was the key guy pickings friar Muth
Speaker 1: ended up having to get the They have to feel
Speaker 1: about as good uh ending the season as any team
Speaker 1: that there really has no shot to make the playoffs
Speaker 1: just because of their young players. And and anyone that
Speaker 1: jumped in with the rainmaker by this weekend is by
Speaker 1: the way, this week it is feeling good too. We're
Speaker 1: rating down money on Christmas Eve, it was close. Some
Speaker 1: might say, why didn't I lock up the Steelers if
Speaker 1: I was gonna, you know, go Rainmaker with a two
Speaker 1: and a half point favorite, but you know what, they
Speaker 1: won by three, so it rained just enough. You're in
Speaker 1: your own way. You're a very much a Santa esque
Speaker 1: figure to the people that followed your advice on this one. Well,
Speaker 1: I know Dan would have gotten on me eventually for
Speaker 1: a losing streak here, so I think the Rainmaker I
Speaker 1: had lost track of what my record is. It's like
Speaker 1: six and three something like that for this inflated because
Speaker 1: we don't know either, Yeah, nobody knows. Let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll get to the other two games.
Speaker 1: All right, we're back. Let's head out to State Farms
Speaker 1: Stadium in Phoenix. One yard field goal to kick your
Speaker 1: board by suck Up? Is it good? It's good, It's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's good. Have the Bucks beat the Arizona
Speaker 1: Carginals in overtire? Buccaneers beat Arizona Anot. Tom Brady engineers
Speaker 1: an overtime drive that gets into the range of Ryot
Speaker 1: suck Up, who just made his fourth deel goal of
Speaker 1: the game. Now the Bucketeers win nineteen to sixteen. Oh
Speaker 1: Geen Decker half. Even Jean didn't give like a full
Speaker 1: throated this is a miracle victory on Christmas. He knew
Speaker 1: this was a weird game. A nineteen to sixteen overtime
Speaker 1: victory for the Bucks. That's that was on w f
Speaker 1: U S Dave Moore also involved, and uh, they're making
Speaker 1: people work extra on Christmas Mark they're playing extra football.
Speaker 1: Tariko's there, Collinsworth is there, and the Bucks are just
Speaker 1: replaying the same game that they play all season, making
Speaker 1: a ten point come back in the fourth quarter to
Speaker 1: narrowly be one of the worst teams in the league.
Speaker 1: They've done this exactly three times now, but get the victory. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the plan, but they are
Speaker 1: following the blueprint UM over and over, and it's like
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, you know, a turnover machine, completely asleep at
Speaker 1: the wheel, with an offense that you know, lost another
Speaker 1: Josh Wells it lost another tackle. He was already in
Speaker 1: there for Donovan Smith. So they are compromised. I think
Speaker 1: that affected what they even thought they could do on offense.
Speaker 1: It turned into like just to get rid of the
Speaker 1: ball kind of game for Brady. UM totally unproductive until
Speaker 1: that overtime drive. I think hit six six straight throws
Speaker 1: and you get another one of these um sort of
Speaker 1: Brady esque patented last minute victories. I do feel like
Speaker 1: this season, and maybe you know it's just a feeling,
Speaker 1: but so many bad games have gone into overtime, not
Speaker 1: good games going into overtime where that you want that,
Speaker 1: But like I texted you, like late in the night,
Speaker 1: you and Dan and Grave Digger thinking, are you seriously
Speaker 1: taking this into more time? This game which I actually watched,
Speaker 1: I might have been one of the twelve Americans that
Speaker 1: watched this game, and uh, it was an unrewarding STU
Speaker 1: late in the evening. I have to admit I did
Speaker 1: catch up on this game after the fact, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of bad football. That's what Tom
Speaker 1: Brady said earlier in the year when he watches football
Speaker 1: around the league, a lot of bad ball. And most
Speaker 1: of this weekend was about the weather. And there have
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun good teams, I think not
Speaker 1: in the primetime games, but we keep getting these teams
Speaker 1: like the Bucks and the Cardinals as repeat visitors, and
Speaker 1: we've just seen this Bucks game before and it's kind
Speaker 1: of like they keep doing the same thing. They have
Speaker 1: these sequels to like what was not a great movie
Speaker 1: in the first place, which was Bucks Rams. I think
Speaker 1: that's really where this started, where they were absolutely terrible
Speaker 1: and at the very end they go hurry up and
Speaker 1: Brady wins the game after getting like seventeen chances to
Speaker 1: win it. And now they're having like the sequels and
Speaker 1: they're not like they're getting a little worse each time.
Speaker 1: There was the Saints one that was that was a
Speaker 1: crazy comeback, two touchdowns at the very end, and then
Speaker 1: this one where it was against I believe, the worst
Speaker 1: team in the league, and it just makes you wonder,
Speaker 1: why do they have to wait till the very end
Speaker 1: to go hurry up? There's such a better team when
Speaker 1: they go hurry up. Brady had his best two throws
Speaker 1: of the day in overtime that you mentioned, uh, two
Speaker 1: really nice throws, one to Gauge and one to Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: both outside throws it but the rest of the game
Speaker 1: like he was off target, he missed throws. They were
Speaker 1: out of sink on third and short. At one point,
Speaker 1: they tried to run the ball three straight times on
Speaker 1: second and one and could not get a yard. And
Speaker 1: that's like what this season has felt like is just
Speaker 1: like looking at Todd Bowles being like on the sideline, dumbfounded,
Speaker 1: being like, man, I can't believe we can get a yard?
Speaker 1: What's going on? But they never can get a yard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like I mean, if these are sequels, so they're
Speaker 1: not exactly pack them in at the mall Um Fair.
Speaker 1: But it does kind of leave me a bit mystified
Speaker 1: with this whole journey with the Bucks because the whole
Speaker 1: calling card coming in the reason that it would be
Speaker 1: good to get Bruce Arians out of the mix um.
Speaker 1: And again, I think we've said it all year. I
Speaker 1: think there's a there's something missing without Bruce Arians playing
Speaker 1: his old role. But it was meant to be a
Speaker 1: positive because Tom Brady and Byron Leftwich could mind meld
Speaker 1: um on a micro level during games and as the
Speaker 1: as you know, forming the game plan. And they look
Speaker 1: more lost than ever and they haven't adjusted the way
Speaker 1: out of it, Like even from drive to drive, it
Speaker 1: seems like all they're able to do is go out
Speaker 1: and process things the same way and produce the same
Speaker 1: sort of milk toast results. It's like, is where's Brady
Speaker 1: in this? Like where's left Which in this? And why
Speaker 1: are they still in these issues um post Christmas. I
Speaker 1: find it really strange for that kind of quarterback after
Speaker 1: what we know about Brady. Well, because I think it's
Speaker 1: it's everyone. It's such a team sport. I mean, Mike
Speaker 1: Evans had one catch for five yards until the very
Speaker 1: end of this game, he had six targets. He ends
Speaker 1: up making a catch or two of it. It's like
Speaker 1: they have a million different problems and Brady is one
Speaker 1: of them. Like the two intercept He's not used to
Speaker 1: throwing interceptions, and he threw two in this game. Both
Speaker 1: were on him. One he just kind of threw up
Speaker 1: right because he was about to get hit, and then
Speaker 1: the other one he was like really late on an
Speaker 1: open receiver and that got picked off by Marco Wilson.
Speaker 1: And I was like totally on Brady, and we sound
Speaker 1: so negative. They did win the game, they set up, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a winning in scenario for themselves next week
Speaker 1: against the Panthers. The Bucks clinched the NFC South with
Speaker 1: with a win next week, but if they lose that game,
Speaker 1: the Panthers have control going into Week eighteen. And my
Speaker 1: feeling watching this Mark was I I have I have
Speaker 1: given up. I'm sure everyone else has too in terms
Speaker 1: of them like having the light switch on. But I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like they're a little bit like the
Speaker 1: Patriots and that they just are asking to be put
Speaker 1: out of their misery. And you know, spoiler alert, I'm
Speaker 1: picking the Panthers this week. I I don't know if
Speaker 1: the Panthers can close it out and win two straight,
Speaker 1: because the Bucks will still have a chance to win
Speaker 1: the division even if they lose in week seventeen if
Speaker 1: the Bucks. If the Panthers then blow it in week
Speaker 1: eighteen and the Bucks win, they're all division games. So like,
Speaker 1: the Panthers do not clinch the division by winning this
Speaker 1: next game. But this feels like a team that's not
Speaker 1: having fun and it needs to be put out of
Speaker 1: their misery quickly. I'm just gonna throw to a Tom
Speaker 1: Brady sound because I think I think the way he
Speaker 1: sounded after the game sums up what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Defense really stepped up. This is a great way to uh,
Speaker 1: you know, down ten on the fourth court on the road.
Speaker 1: It's a great final way to win. What's going on here?
Speaker 1: Is he? Okay? I don't know. I listened to this.
Speaker 1: He sounded so old. He does not sound enthused. I
Speaker 1: will note that the Panthers um when they played the
Speaker 1: Bucks um the first time more towards the middle of
Speaker 1: the season, did run for a hundred and seventy three yards.
Speaker 1: I think this Panthers team, when they get weird and
Speaker 1: when the ground game is working as it has, and
Speaker 1: when it's exploded a couple of weeks like you could
Speaker 1: compromise the Bucks because I just don't see them really
Speaker 1: able to put up more than sixteen seventeen points. And
Speaker 1: the Panthers defense has been solid for the past month. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that later in the week. And you're right,
Speaker 1: the Bucks run defense isn't quite the same shot. You know.
Speaker 1: Credit to uh, your guy Trace McSorley. He he fought,
Speaker 1: he almost got it done. They were up ten in
Speaker 1: the fourth. He had a thrower too. He he has
Speaker 1: a big arm. I was rise by that. Unlike that,
Speaker 1: Hail Mary and a couple of things. J. J. Watt
Speaker 1: played great. Their defense has been playing hard, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't enough. What a painful season for the Cardinals to
Speaker 1: like go through all these different ways to lose painfully
Speaker 1: in prime time, kind of like the Raider season, but
Speaker 1: in in a different even more pathetic way. We can
Speaker 1: talk Bucks later in the week. But finally let's get
Speaker 1: to the final game we're gonna cover. That was the
Speaker 1: Christmas afternoon game Broncos and Rams in l A. Rams
Speaker 1: have three takeaways on the day, all of them interceptions.
Speaker 1: Can they get a fourth down? Stop on downs and
Speaker 1: cement this week? Sixteen hit time, ripping, hassle Rams rush
Speaker 1: fourth row goes to the right side, hits intercepted the
Speaker 1: fifth team. Tommy Durrance down a sideline fifty forty thirty
Speaker 1: all Gas, no Craikes touchdowns. Tommy Durrance to cements a
Speaker 1: Christmas game win to the Los Angeles Rams. I love it.
Speaker 1: We're getting bogos on a Monday morning. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know that was possible. I do love hearing our friend
Speaker 1: j belong Uh with KSPN. Get to hear him having
Speaker 1: fun and man, this was fun for Rams fans and
Speaker 1: Rams announcers. Kobe Durant there, yeah, with the eighty five
Speaker 1: yard interception. He had two interceptions on the day of
Speaker 1: the three that Russell Wilson through. It was crazy. It
Speaker 1: was fifty one to four Rams. It was like thirty
Speaker 1: one to six early in the second quarter, This thing
Speaker 1: was absolutely insane and I couldn't have been the only
Speaker 1: one Mark that watched this and thought, oh man, I
Speaker 1: don't know if they're gonna wait to the end of
Speaker 1: the season to fire Nathaniel Hackett. Now, and as we're taping, justin,
Speaker 1: we got some breaking news here. Let's hit it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Nathaniel Hackett era is over. The Broncos announced their
Speaker 1: coach has been fired after only fifteen games. Sad way
Speaker 1: to go out and we can talk this game a
Speaker 1: little bit in a minute. Give the rams and oh
Speaker 1: that was banned. We're not giving any flowers. Beat that
Speaker 1: out justin. Uh, but let's talk hack it. It's over
Speaker 1: for Hackett. That's that's the bigger news now. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was inevitable, and I think this is the kind of
Speaker 1: late season game where, um, you know, any coach in
Speaker 1: his position, this is sort of the everyone gets at
Speaker 1: the exclamation point, Uh, floor falls out. Russell Wilson, who
Speaker 1: you came in to develop, I mean kind of everything
Speaker 1: that Hackett, who you know, understandably seems like an engaging
Speaker 1: personality and like a likable dude. There's no It's not
Speaker 1: really like Mike Zimmer burning out because of your personality
Speaker 1: situation here. It's just that what was your calling card.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come in and flip the switch on Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: the most exciting quarterback higher of the entire offseason, and
Speaker 1: Denver's sort of hope and hope and pride for the future,
Speaker 1: looking like the worst quarterback in the league. UM looking
Speaker 1: as loss as ever, which has been um consistent all
Speaker 1: year long. There were those reports that he was calling
Speaker 1: out Seahawks uh, you know, audibles at the line. It
Speaker 1: just seems like he's never really um understood what's going
Speaker 1: on in this offense. UM that that extends to everyone else.
Speaker 1: And then the defense, which you've wasted entire year on,
Speaker 1: absolutely like crumbled yesterday. And I think it's use You're
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of like flare ups on the sideline,
Speaker 1: a lot of lack of accountability, UM in house issues.
Speaker 1: There were all the actual game situation issues early in
Speaker 1: the year, and it's like Hack, it seems completely underwater
Speaker 1: and in control of none of it. So what as
Speaker 1: a head coach are you're offering at that point? UM?
Speaker 1: I think there's a bit of Peter principle for some
Speaker 1: of these play callers, Like you're kind of meant to
Speaker 1: stay at the play call level head coaches for a
Speaker 1: different type of personality and different type of I guess
Speaker 1: you know, ability to control a varied group of individuals,
Speaker 1: and the Broncos have seemed out of control since the
Speaker 1: word go. Yeah, it gives the team a chance to
Speaker 1: get a headstart and the rest of the league. In
Speaker 1: theory if depending on who they wanted to hire, if
Speaker 1: if they wanted to go non NFL, you know, they
Speaker 1: could start that process right now. It's a little more
Speaker 1: complicated if you're just trying to hire NFL assistance. They
Speaker 1: did announced George Peyton the GM will remain with the
Speaker 1: team and lead the coaching search along with ownership. There
Speaker 1: was yeah the owner George Penner had that and yeah,
Speaker 1: when you when you lose like that, it felt like
Speaker 1: the defense led by their coordinator as zero ever o
Speaker 1: Graver check check for me if we know who the
Speaker 1: interim coach is gonna be. While we're recording this is
Speaker 1: all happening, but I'll continue on it. It felt like
Speaker 1: this was the game where like both sides just kind
Speaker 1: of gave up and Sean McVeigh, who had everro on
Speaker 1: his staff for a long time with the Rams. He
Speaker 1: was in, you know, a defensive assistant with the Rams forever.
Speaker 1: It's like he somehow knew exactly what to do, and um,
Speaker 1: it's putting them out of their misery. And yeah, this
Speaker 1: was a Christmas game where one member related to the
Speaker 1: Walmart uh clan dynasty, Stan Cronkey, who married into it,
Speaker 1: who's the owner of the Rams, was going against another
Speaker 1: um couple of members of the Walmart money and apparently
Speaker 1: they were like seeing like hugging, you know, before the
Speaker 1: game or saying hi, they're they're related through cousins and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And uh, I think when you lose
Speaker 1: like that on what's probably one of the most watched
Speaker 1: games of the year, you lose to a four and
Speaker 1: ten team fifty one to fourteen, the worst offense in
Speaker 1: the league like that, I don't care who you are,
Speaker 1: how new you are to the league. That had to
Speaker 1: be so embarrassing that they were just like figuring out
Speaker 1: what the statement was going to be this morning, like
Speaker 1: during that game and just that it was over for Hacket.
Speaker 1: That's sad. What a what a touching tail like? Um,
Speaker 1: you know, even the losing billionaire ownership teams still floating
Speaker 1: away and they're like cream colored Porsche is before deciding
Speaker 1: to fire the coaching stuff. I mean, it is, it's
Speaker 1: a tough it's a tough business. It is. It is.
Speaker 1: They get paid a lot, but it is a tough business.
Speaker 1: How how do you like? Honest question? Because I think
Speaker 1: like this didn't cut out the cancer for Denver at all.
Speaker 1: The cancer is the quarterback in the quarterback contract. Like,
Speaker 1: I really am interested to see which coach um thinks
Speaker 1: they can come in and fix this. They're saddled with this,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to have immense belief that the
Speaker 1: fact that all of what we've seen about Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with him actually just becoming a
Speaker 1: bad quarterback, that it's totally fixable. I don't I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think you're you're looking at No one's gonna no
Speaker 1: one's gonna think that that it's all on Hackett. This
Speaker 1: is the move sort of they had to make. I'm
Speaker 1: with you, we'll talk about it in the coming weeks.
Speaker 1: That everyone saying that you have to keep Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: that he has all this guaranteed money, that it's gonna
Speaker 1: crush your cap Marcus shaking his head, and I saw
Speaker 1: him uh with a really well worded tweet on Christmas
Speaker 1: Night saying that he doesn't he doesn't need that, he
Speaker 1: doesn't need anyone convincing themselves it's gonna work with about Wilson,
Speaker 1: and I'm with you, I don't think they necessarily have
Speaker 1: to do it. I think there is an argument for
Speaker 1: taking all the salary cap pain. Now. You could actually
Speaker 1: make him a post June first cut and it would
Speaker 1: only add seventeen million dollars to get rid of him
Speaker 1: on next year's cap. And I think, like taking your
Speaker 1: medicine if you're convinced the dude can't play, is actually
Speaker 1: the better move. And in Sunday's game was maybe the
Speaker 1: worst he's played all year. The interceptions were just we're
Speaker 1: just ghass lee. There was one clip someone showed on
Speaker 1: the All twenty two on his third interception where Sutton
Speaker 1: is on the sideline wide open for a first down,
Speaker 1: and he's like literally waving at Russell. Wilson waving, waving, waving,
Speaker 1: and on the broadcast, Tony Romo points out, oh, he
Speaker 1: could have run for twenty yards for the first time,
Speaker 1: but instead Russell Wilson's like trying to be a hero
Speaker 1: and he throws it deep and while the balls in
Speaker 1: the air, Courtland Sutton doesn't even look to see what happens.
Speaker 1: He just starts jumping up and down, upset and turning
Speaker 1: to the sideline and walking away from the play as
Speaker 1: if he's Steph Curry uh shooting the three and knowing
Speaker 1: it's gonna go in, Except in this case it was
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Courtland Sutton knew it was going to
Speaker 1: be an interception, I guess, and just like walked off
Speaker 1: the field and was so mad and it was an interception.
Speaker 1: So I think that's like to your to your point
Speaker 1: about my point, about your point about my point about
Speaker 1: not sticking with Russell Wilson, is like this is a
Speaker 1: there is a human element to this, and I think
Speaker 1: it gets forgotten and all the metrics and all this
Speaker 1: business that like this locker room is totally lost and
Speaker 1: they're totally lost because they don't like Russell Wilson, I
Speaker 1: don't think at all. And when you're not good and
Speaker 1: you're unliked, like you got is more than anything. Well
Speaker 1: that's that's it, all's all mixed together. But you don't
Speaker 1: get a feeling like, you know what, we're watching this
Speaker 1: guy that we've gone to war with that we love,
Speaker 1: like fading. It's like this was your first experience with him.
Speaker 1: He's been a mess the entire time, and like I
Speaker 1: am of belief that you could. It's not. You can't
Speaker 1: moneyball at like baseball, but you to your point, take
Speaker 1: your medicine. You deal with the money part of it.
Speaker 1: It's one a one year situation. It's not that different
Speaker 1: in a different universe had they traded for like Geno
Speaker 1: Smith instead, who would have cost a lot less on
Speaker 1: a one year situation, and you get through it. You
Speaker 1: might just get better results with a locker room that
Speaker 1: is not from the word go with a new loss,
Speaker 1: with a new coach ready to stage insurrection. I just
Speaker 1: it's the only problem with it is they're keeping George Payton,
Speaker 1: who made this trade, So you just get into like,
Speaker 1: as he would he be willing to admit that mistake.
Speaker 1: Usually a move like that, it's hard to even say
Speaker 1: usually because there's almost no precedent this. This is on
Speaker 1: track to be, you know, one of the worst trades
Speaker 1: in NFL history. It certainly has been. Now now their
Speaker 1: draft pick, by the way, gets even worse. So Seahawks
Speaker 1: fans were loving this Rams victory. They I saw a
Speaker 1: couple on Twitter that, you know, the Seahawks are following apart,
Speaker 1: but at least they're enjoying Russell Wilson blowing this pick.
Speaker 1: I mean it was tough. It's why back in week
Speaker 1: ten or eleven when the Broncos were only scoring seven
Speaker 1: ten points in a game and people were like, oh,
Speaker 1: the Broncos have hit bottom, and I We've done this
Speaker 1: job long enough that it's like when they're seven or
Speaker 1: eight weeks left with these bad teams, it's like, no,
Speaker 1: there's some you can hit a lot more bottoms. And
Speaker 1: this was truly bottom because the coach got fired. They
Speaker 1: gave up a fifty burger on Christmas and Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: got roasted by Patrick from SpongeBob. So there's rust wilsonption interception.
Speaker 1: He said, that's what they call an interception, and I
Speaker 1: mean he had a good line there too. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: not what Russ wanted to cook and even mentioned that
Speaker 1: Wagner was his teammates. I did flip over to the
Speaker 1: Nickelodeon broadcast for a little and they were having fun
Speaker 1: over there. I think that was the probably the most
Speaker 1: appropriate way to watch this game, more fun than Broncos fans.
Speaker 1: I would say, like, you know where we were seven
Speaker 1: weeks ago about mentioned where we were at the Broncos
Speaker 1: like Sean McVeigh was in a dark place, Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: was being talked about like Russell Wilson. It's kind of
Speaker 1: crazy what can happen to you in just a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, Because I think, if nothing else, Baker Mayfield proved,
Speaker 1: like Anna Sean mcveighs system, if he's used right, he
Speaker 1: can play, and he's totally a viable, very leading, almost
Speaker 1: plugged in candidate to be their number two quarterback next season.
Speaker 1: I think they want that. And McVeigh, who was you know,
Speaker 1: we're a question if he's gonna even come back, and coach,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, who knows what will happen
Speaker 1: with that situation. But the last couple of weeks have
Speaker 1: been a very different vibe around a Rams team that
Speaker 1: it got real ugly there. Absolutely, I'm glad you pointed
Speaker 1: it out, because even though I'm saying, like there's a
Speaker 1: long time left in the season, you can always hit bottom.
Speaker 1: You could have said that about the Rams too. Uh,
Speaker 1: but they are going to feel better about themselves the
Speaker 1: way they're ending this season. They've had their best couple
Speaker 1: of games now in a three week span. Their competitive
Speaker 1: cam Akers is running the ball really, really well, had
Speaker 1: a hundred and forty seven yards from scrimmage, three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: just playing with a lot of juice. Mcveigh's showing that
Speaker 1: he can be that coach again. Maybe give himself some confidence.
Speaker 1: Baker finishes for two thirty and two touchdowns and yeah,
Speaker 1: most of them, I think eighteen of those throws where
Speaker 1: five yards or less. But he had a nice touchdown
Speaker 1: versus the Blitz. He was very controlled. Tony Romo said,
Speaker 1: how like under McVeigh, he's using to use his eyes
Speaker 1: a little better in terms of not being as predetermined.
Speaker 1: I saw him get to like his third read. He
Speaker 1: just looked like a very competent quarterback. To me, this
Speaker 1: was way more encouraging even than that Raiders. Uh come
Speaker 1: back when and like other guys are stepping up for
Speaker 1: the Rams, like Wagner as a leader and Hoy and
Speaker 1: and just things. He can just feel better about. Putting
Speaker 1: a fifty burger on feels good. No matter what your
Speaker 1: record is. Yeah, they didn't waste their final four or
Speaker 1: five games, which you see teams do nothing changes, you
Speaker 1: don't grow like they've used at the develop younger players
Speaker 1: find a backup that they can trust and I think
Speaker 1: you're right. Gives Sean McVeigh a sense going into the
Speaker 1: off season like I haven't lost my fastball here and
Speaker 1: give their fans something. U all my daughter I'd asked
Speaker 1: for for Christmas was a Rams win, and I know
Speaker 1: that place wasn't like super Rocking. Yesterday, I texted our
Speaker 1: our friend Jason Kleinman, who was there with his family. Perfect, perfect,
Speaker 1: perfect Sunday for the Kleinman's. You go see a fifty burger.
Speaker 1: Probably it's such a blot you can leave early. He was.
Speaker 1: He told me he was right behind the Broncos sideline.
Speaker 1: So he texted me about the fight that was happening
Speaker 1: before I even heard about it on the broadcast. He
Speaker 1: was like, they're arguing on the Broncos sideline. Someone just
Speaker 1: pushed Brett Rippon and he was right, that was an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman and Brett ripping the backup quarterback. So he
Speaker 1: gets he gets to enjoy that victory. JB. Long our
Speaker 1: friend gets to enjoy it, and then you know, the
Speaker 1: Klineman's come home and they celebrate Hanukah another night. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know at night perfectly, just one bull's eye after
Speaker 1: the next with the Kleineman family, all right, that this
Speaker 1: is our closest thing to a bulls I hear Mark,
Speaker 1: I think we did it the what did I call
Speaker 1: it at the beginning of the show, the the Cold
Speaker 1: and Dark podcast The Dark and Cold podcasts. It's like
Speaker 1: that sounds bad, though, HI had fun. I enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: you know what I enjoyed? Uh. I think the broadcasters
Speaker 1: yesterday try to have as much fun as they could,
Speaker 1: including Jim Nance. I gave Jim Nance some credit for
Speaker 1: being as Jim Nancy as possible to start that Rams
Speaker 1: Broncos game, Russell Wilson and the Broncos about to take
Speaker 1: the field and Los Angeles to take on Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: and the Rams, and Santa's gonna find out which quarterback
Speaker 1: has been naughty or nice on CBS. It never gets old.
Speaker 1: I think he used the same line and it probably,
Speaker 1: you know, hit the same way. So I don't know
Speaker 1: why that when I heard that, it really made me laugh.
Speaker 1: Santa's gonna find out who's been naughty or nice. I
Speaker 1: guess Baker has been nice and Russell Wilson has been naughty,
Speaker 1: all right for Mark Uh, this was a pleasure for
Speaker 1: Justin Graver. I'll be back. We're doing a Monday Night
Speaker 1: recap tonight with Jordan Rodrigan. We'll be back on Tuesday
Speaker 1: with a special guest. And so the train keeps moving on.
Speaker 1: But until then, he'd the call m