WEBVTT - Hangin' with the Talkin' Cowboys: First Half Grades 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.640 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:25.040 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's talking Cowboys, 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.880 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:41.479 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips, 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:48.200 and Bill Jones. Just kiddings, kidding, we have a special 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:53.240 treat for you. What out of force? Okay? All right, yeah, yeah, 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.400 how you doing, Brian? I'm doing well, Thank you, Shann 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.720 appreciate how you doing. Jesse well Man Thursday? Good Nate 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:02.440 looking spectacular here today. How are you man? I'm feeling great, man. 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.959 And to have my two favorite guys here were full 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:11.400 of information and didn't I'm excited. Yeah, you know, it's funny, 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.760 I said, it is when they when Derek put this 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:15.280 scene together, He's like, hey, do you want to be 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.080 on the show? And might who's it on? So you 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.200 wanted the show with? You know? I used to get 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.560 before I commit, I get beat down and I'm like, 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.160 oh no, we can do Jesse Naham, I'm like, all right, yeah, 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.480 let's have some fun. So a little bit of a treat. 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.839 Normally this is talking cowboys, but with the short bye week. 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.039 We uh, we mixed it up a little bit today. 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.480 So you've got Brian that's normally on talking cowboys me, 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:38.840 and then you've got we We're gonna have Nick Eatman 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.200 on here that's normally from the break, but Nick, he's 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.640 gonna have to interview Stephen Jones in the midst So 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.600 that's a little that trumps this a little bit. So 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:50.720 fresh off the unemployment line, so Jesse was an easy things. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.760 He's like, I'm in, I'm in whenever you need be. 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.320 So Jesse from hanging with the boys, Nate Newton from 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.720 hanging with the boys show by the way to Shannon 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:01.360 Grows from hanging with the boys. So for the next 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.520 hour or so, we're gonna talk a little football, mix 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.960 it up a little bit, try to have a little 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.240 bit of fun along the way. And uh, let's treat 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.600 this like we're not quite midway through the season. Okay, 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.760 we're seven weeks in. Okay, midway's eight. Let's act like 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:18.519 you were halfway because that can be more fun. This 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.919 is Louisiana thing. Yeah, I think it's I'm understanding what 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.720 I'm understanding, what you know, I know what you're doing here. Uh, 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.600 let's start off. What has been the biggest surprise for 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.960 you guys so far this season. Inconsistency of the defense. 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.400 M I think, you know, coming out of Oxnard boys, 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.680 I didn't know what you guys thought. But as I 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.600 was watching this, I was thinking, Man, this defense is 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.000 going to help this offense, you know. And and I 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.760 was thinking, man, Okay, the secondary is gonna make plays. 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.680 Linebackers or got that elite look about themselves. They're gonna 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.640 figure out this offensive. This defensive line, you know, human 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:56.400 log is gonna get in there and do some good. 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.480 And you know, and then MALIEK. Collins, I think every 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.040 week I've said, well, if they stopped the run, oh well, 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.119 if they get pass rush, oh well, if they get 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.280 more turnovers. I've had more questions about this defense than 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.839 I have the offense. Even though that the offense got 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.000 shut out against I think New Orleans just kicked their 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.560 ass up front. Yeah you know so I kind of 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.680 understand why that happened. But man, this defense to me, 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:22.000 has been a one big roller coaster ride as far 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.679 as evaluating each week, Nate, what about you? You know, 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.560 I want to say that that secondary, man, how they 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.840 played in training camp, and the turnovers they was getting 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.760 things like that, which equates to what brod Us is 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.000 saying for is the front end. I just knew d 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.680 Law Quinn human law, and I thought Malie Collins would 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.680 probably have six sacks at this point. Sure, and with 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.320 the rotation of all those other guys, Christian Covington, you know, 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.680 and then Once't a young guy who came along real 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:55.280 well fifty one. I'm I'm thinking that with this rotation, 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.600 our secondary is gonna have eight or nine picks at 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.680 this point. You know what. Second week, Woods ran off 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.119 the left one. Yeah, So I'm with you name because 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.000 he'd got hit in the head one time and then 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.520 missed another one. Yeah. So with the consistency of this 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.120 defensive we saw this past week, if they play, they'll 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.440 put our offense in position score. And I think I've 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.279 had to answer and you've probably had You probably had 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.240 to answer the same question because people say, well, how 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:21.720 can we don't get this guy? How can we don't 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.159 get this guy? And you know we should have got 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.520 a defensive. Well, yeah, when you look at what it 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.080 was in training camp, and you look at what it 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:29.960 was in OTAs you were looking at saying, you know, 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.520 what fellas, Yeah, pretty damn good, because you have to 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.920 assume when this defensive line is going up against guys 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.719 like Travis Frederick and Zach Martina exactly, and you're saying, 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.600 wait a second, now doing all right? They're doing all 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:47.000 right against what most of the league deems as damn 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.880 good football players. I totally agree with you. So that's 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:51.880 a trap. I feeling, right, And it's you know, and 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.000 we had we had Chris Hall here yesterday, and even 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.320 as from a scout perspective, as you're sitting out there watching, 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.440 you're going, wait a second, Carrie Hyder and Malie Collinson 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.440 and and n Twine woods Man, they're holding their own 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.400 against what we deemed to be a pretty good offensive line. Right, 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:07.920 maybe we don't have to go out and you know 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.400 and mortgage as the house to go get a McCoy 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.320 or sue or something like that. We'll just go with 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.640 these guys because they look pretty good from what we're seeing. Yeah, 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:20.480 and then to carry on with Chris Hall told us 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.680 and say, this is the most depth we've had an 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:27.640 air position, so we wasn't worried. So yeah, but wow, 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:31.440 but guys, did we did we misevaluate the depth I mean, 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.320 I mean, I'm talking about myself. I'm pointing the finger. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.119 I'm looking at the man in the mirror as state 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.280 as Michael Jackson would say, let me say this before 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.720 you what is death right? Because we always say, oh yeah, 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:42.760 but how about the quality of the depth? That's it? 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.360 See that. I was thinking, Okay, Carrie Hyder, I'd seen 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.800 Carrie Hyder, you know, trait when he's in a three 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.600 four scheme. He can't play the nose, put him wide, 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:52.719 let him rush. So I'm starting to think in that, 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:54.960 and then they draft a guy like you know, with 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.080 Tristan Hill. I'm thinking, okay, Tristan Hill getting in. He's 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.200 twenty one years old, but he as he gotten better. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.520 I haven't seen him get better each week and that 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.080 and that's a problem to me. I've been waiting for 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.120 arms Doran's armstrong. They keeps saying, well, Doran's armstrong, he's 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.000 doing a good job, he's doing this, he's doing this, 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.320 and and I don't see him. We get in a 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.599 game and I don't see that. And so I'm sitting 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:23.520 there thinking, well, maybe I misevaluated the depth of this team, 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.479 or the quality of the other depth and that it's 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.640 it's one thing to have players forty one, forty two, 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:35.039 forty three, but players forty one forty two could be 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.520 Joe Thomas, who I've seen Joe Thomas play. Well, yeah, 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:42.400 that's good depth, you know Sean Lee basically backing up 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.280 last week getting in you know there, that's depth. But 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:49.240 I haven't seen the depth in the in the defensive 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.360 line like I thought I would, and could could have 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.360 an issue with that be the number of snacks they're 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:59.719 acts to play, right because team was fifty one back 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.440 to back and a couple of times when the human 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.000 log was out you see it. So it's like, yeah, 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:09.760 these guys will be good in spurts again. Right now, 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.960 those guys can have impacts because they're fresh and it's 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.640 a different look. But when now when they get up 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.040 beat on you a little bit and they wear you 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.760 down and they're hanging on you. Yeah, and the game 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:23.360 has kind of produced itself, you know, you look up 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.560 and you go, wait, we didn't want him to play. 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.600 We didn't. We didn't want Tackle two or Top three 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:33.560 to play forty snaps because our D line, the way 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:38.960 Marine got this done, going through our D line dictates 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.040 this success of our linebackers, not saying that our linebackers 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:46.160 can't be great. Yeah, without a great defensive line, but 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.000 if they're going to be super these guys up front 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.840 at the ball. Yeah, but weren't we thinking, guys about 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:55.560 this whole thing, about this tackles for loss and negative 0:07:55.600 --> 0:08:00.240 plays late Vanderage Jalen Smith. I mean, we finally are 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:06.440 some negative plays last week, Bandaresh gets a tackle. The 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.800 log was there, Okay, okay, but how about them just 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.920 those guys generally just playing better on their own. That's 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.320 the tackling. That's where you have to tackle better. But 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.960 you know when Brooks and those other guys played with 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.680 Marinella and his young and the young days, yeah they 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:27.560 had a three Tampa. The guys need linebackers when I'm 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.720 in the Hall of Fame, they were clean, Yeah, they were. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.000 They weren't having to deal with the muck in the 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.880 trash defeating three hundred pounds, you know, tackles and guards 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.840 getting the second levels of my opinion was modern day. 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:43.040 They knew that's a mucky opinion stuff. Guys, We're going 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:44.920 to take a break when we come back. Those were 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.319 kind of surprises that were kind of shortcomings. I want 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.120 to know what your surprises are that you didn't see 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.440 coming on the positive side. Okay, whenever we come back 0:08:53.440 --> 0:10:00.199 from this break on talking cowboys, back to talking cowboys, well, 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:06.440 come back to talking cowboys kind of yeah, yeah, one 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.360 shit and gross joined by Brian brought us of talking 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.440 Cowboys's me, Jesse Holly of hanging with the boys. Nate 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:17.640 Newton looking smashing to day in his what is that 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:25.920 f show? This morning? My wife? Did your wife pick 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.760 your clothes out? Always? Man? Y'all know if I coming 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:35.360 all be no short hand good shower shoes. Yeah, I'm coming. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.439 Why are you so dressed up? Today? I did a 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.640 show a special edition too, brought us this deal right 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.240 before what what's the name of a little hit you 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.120 do in the morning? Oh? We did cowboys this morning? 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.440 I know we did that. Took last week. This first 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.640 time we did that together though, though we all do 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.760 multiple things such as you yeah yeah, but y'all are 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.920 actually good at things that you're great three on this show. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:02.800 They must have thought something of me. I don't think 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.439 anyone else was available at the bye week. Speaking of byewee, 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.640 before we get back into football, you got plans this weekend. 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.000 LSU plays Auburn at two thirty on Saturday, And but 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.319 I'm gonna get there and wet a line. I'm gonna 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:14.960 wet a line. I'm gonna go bluele fishing. We'll kind 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.680 of fishing little bass fishing back. I'm gonna try and 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.040 find him weather weather changing, you know, yeah, fishing fishing. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.640 Report about you, Jesse? What you got this weekend? La 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:28.240 Low gotta one of my mentors turning sixty seven going 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.800 to a birthday party. There you go. Yeah, free food, Jesse, 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.800 way to go, Yes, great food, it'll be Jesse likes 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.520 the free food. Jesse's not afraid to eat. Nate likes 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.800 free Nate likes free anything. Jesse's all in on the food. 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.320 Natan stole my pin yesterday on our show, and I 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.839 called him out and didn't even unzip his backpack to 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:50.319 give it back. This is the one that Nate uses 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.920 during my during when we do our pre postgame show, 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.160 Nate uses his bit. And we had a three game 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.439 losing streak and we couldn't find it and we started 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.679 winning the game and I go, here go Nate, they 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:04.439 kind of what do you doing this weekend? Date? I 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.480 got I'm leaving up out of here, driving the floor 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:11.679 to going to the class of Union, going back and yeah, man, 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.280 oh there'll be some honeys there. Yeah, but you know what, 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.800 I hope they'll look like me. We need to talk 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:26.000 about that on Hanging One. Thank You Tuesday, all right, fellas, 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.880 So we talked about biggest surprise this season, Nate, You 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:30.839 and you and brought us were kind of surprised about 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:34.160 how the defense kind of underperformed that you had projected 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:38.080 with training camps. Jesse, start with you, what's a what's 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.560 your biggest positive surprise? What do you like? Wow, I 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:45.760 didn't see that coming on. Kind of on the positive side, Um, 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:51.840 the attacking Dak Prescott m m m. That part I 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.640 didn't see coming. And we heard all the stuff happening 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.200 in the off season, attacking like us attacking him on 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:02.200 the media side, or attacking him throwing the ball to him. Yeah, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.000 him being an attacking because people will do that too. Yeah, 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:06.839 well they will, they will. I've done it in the 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:13.160 pass um yeah yeah. Yeah. But the Dak's ability now 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:18.480 to uh attack in the passing game down the field 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.680 and he's doing it with a level of accuracy. Yeah, 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.600 And that to me, could you hear all the time, 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:26.559 guys in the Austin I'm gonna work on this, and 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.120 don't work on that. I'm gonna work on this. You 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.079 see the growth. You see the growth where the mechanics 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.040 have changed, where the balance has changed. And that's a 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.600 combination of I put a lot on Dak for wanting 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.560 to do the work, but getting with Tom House, getting 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.120 with John Kittner and really trying to hone in on 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.280 those things where you saw balls were sailing high or 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.720 coming short. And for him who doesn't have the natural 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:53.080 Jay Cutler or Matthew Stafford or Aaron Rodgers just we 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.240 call it armed talent. Those guys can just I mean 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.160 they called their eyes and throw from any angle, and 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.800 it be a dark for guys like Dak. He has 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:02.760 to be there. His balance has to be right. He 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.440 can't be stepping in the bucket, stepping up into his throws, 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.720 you know, following through all of those things for him 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.080 has to be on point. And I just saw the 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.440 consistency with that this year and even through the three 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:17.840 game you know, losing streak, his balance and his passing 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.840 down the field, his willingness to attack down field. What 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.760 she really wasn't doing it before. That is one has 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:25.440 been a bru big surprise. And you and you've been 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.800 a critic of Dak in the past, and you came 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.000 on our show this year after the first game or 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.880 two and said that you noticed a remarkable difference in 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:38.280 his footwork, his mechanics. So you've physically yes, yeah, no, 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:39.720 you can see it, and you can see the way 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.840 the like and you hear the term all the time, 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:43.640 you know how you know the ball jumps off his 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.120 hands or the ball comes out hot. You can see 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.200 the delivery is different. You can see the way that 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.400 the passes are coming are different. And he's giving he's 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.680 throwing receivers open to a lot of times in the 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.680 past it would have to be they're open and then 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.520 throw it. And that's a college mentality where a player 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.360 comes open and then you throw it. The NFL is 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.360 if you're throwing it once he's open, you're late. You 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.280 have to have the ability to throw him open and 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.480 too open windows to open, you know, touchdowns. I've seen 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.920 that more from him this year than I have in 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.680 the prior three years. Nate been a surprised so far, 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.200 and it came late. A whole lot too late for me. 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.400 And that's number twenty seven. Jordan Lewis. I want this 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.200 kid and get some reps. He's a good, decent blisser, 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.880 He's a he's a hell of a tackler on the 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.040 way you get better is to cover, and they got 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.560 to give him some reps. Yeah, I think he I 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.360 think he's a positive and Brian even I want you 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.960 to talk about that before you go into your who 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.840 You're surprise, But Brian, Jordan, I mean Jordan Lewis, give 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.920 him a shot. Yeah, he needs to play the eyeball test. 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.240 We all, yeah, play more. What are you seeing on film? 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.240 Why is he not getting off? He's the one guy 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.560 that when you watch him play on defense that has 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.680 a huge heart and you could tell it bothers him 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.280 when it doesn't go well. I'd like to see more 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.160 guys have the passion of if you miss a play, 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:02.880 put it out of your mind, come back and be 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:04.840 a better player for it. And I think Nate is 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.920 absolutely right. You know, Jordan Lewis might be shorter than 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.600 what you have the prototypical what they want here, but 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.120 there's nobody out there that is more competitive than him 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.640 in the secondary. The way that they play the way 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.960 they need. Nate's right, they need to use him more. Hopefully. 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.600 You know, it sounds like that Anthony Brown will be 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.480 back for the Giants game. But I hope this doesn't 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.760 mean that Jordan Lewis has to go to the bench. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.720 I'd like to see a if Jason Garrett always tells 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.760 me about competition, we like to see guys compete. Open 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.080 it up. Then open it up and let these two 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.160 really go at it and whoever the best one is 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.200 in practice that week, put them on the field and 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.040 let them go. What's been your biggest surprise so far? Well, 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.040 my biggest surprise on offense. I had no idea what 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.440 Travis Frederick was going to do coming back from that 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:52.160 from that illness. Yeah, I had no idea. And you know, 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.040 I think there's been some really positive things with him. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.560 There's a couple of times whereas Nate says, Nate always 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:01.280 taught me evaluate offensive line him in for seventy plays, 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.440 don't evaluate him for the one or two that they 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.360 might miss. But I was I didn't know what to expect. 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.879 But I think things is he had a Pro Bowl level. No, 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.720 but he is he least is it nice to have 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.560 him back there, the big brain, the ability to help 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.040 to do things inside. I think last week those guys 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.040 were outstanding up front against a really good front, and 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.679 so I like that. But my biggest surprise on this 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.399 the biggest thing is I thought that Michael Gallup was 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.040 going to have a good season, and I know he 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.919 had a bad game against the Jets. But and I know, 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.040 I'm glad to be on the show with Jesse because 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:37.199 he knows about wide receiver play. If if, if Amari 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.879 Cooper is one, I think Michael Gallup is one A 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.439 I don't really do. I think he's a one. I 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.280 think you could be not think I think he's a one. 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.800 I think he can be that one. But he didn't 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:52.520 play like that against the Jets and disappointed me. But 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.560 that was something I'm saying, Okay, he's going to get 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.400 the chance to shine here, and he kind of spit 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.400 the bit on me a little bit. I needed him 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.280 to have a huge game against the Jets, and he 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:07.320 had the drops unfortunately, But I the where he was 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.040 last year to where he is now, I think you 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.399 can rely on him again withstand the one game. But 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.160 overall though, I really do like the way he's going 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.080 and to your point, you're absolutely right. And here's what 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.160 happens a lot of times with young wide receivers when 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.159 things aren't going well. Yeah, you always want to be 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:31.040 the guy who does the next great thing. Right, how 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.680 can I be the next whatever it is from our team? 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.720 And the Cowboys are going on the Lucas riag And 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.680 then you're thinking yourself, Man, if I could just get 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.000 one of these and go to the house, start fast early, 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:44.520 you forget the small fundamental things like just simply looking 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.880 the ball in. Yeah, And a lot of times when 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:51.080 you get to this level, it's so elementary that you forget. 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.040 Because all I'm thinking about now is, Man, we started 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:55.639 fast the last couple of games, I mean started a 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.320 little last couple of games. I gotta make a play. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.960 Amari's not here. Because here's the thing. When you're in 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.560 that group, that receiver group, of that offensive lineman group, 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.679 and I think the office line in all the football 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.040 the tightest group. Yeah, you communicate one another. So I'm 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.120 sure Amara was talking to Michael like, Man, I don't 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:13.320 know how much I gonna be to go to day, 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.480 but I'm gonna give it a shot. So in Michael's head. 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.639 He's saying, man, I gotta step up, and sometimes you 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:20.359 forget to push too much, those those little things, and 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.120 that's what the drops trying to do too much. Yeah, 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.560 but I still have a lot of compidence to him. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.160 I love the player, I really really do. All Right, 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.840 we gotta take another break when we come back. The 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.240 division is getting fun and it's not getting easier for 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.920 the Cowboys, getting a little bit easier for the Eagles 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:39.480 down the stretch. Let's look at what the rest of 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.680 the season looks like in this division when we come 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:55.000 back on talking Cowboys. Such a great deal. Yeah, that's okay, 0:19:55.320 --> 0:20:02.600 just okay, right about this away? 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