WEBVTT - Ep. 477: Render - The Mailbox, The Bulldozer, and The Emancipation Proclamation 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.120 My name is Clay Knucomb, and this is a production 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.560 of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.119 where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.760 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. Brought to you 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.600 by Tokova's Boots. I'm a cowboy boot man and I've 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.880 been wearing to Covis for years. The most comfortable boot 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:46.800 I've ever put on. Good boots for good times. Welcome 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.520 to the bear Grease Render. This is we're deep into 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:56.320 the bear Grease Civil War summer as it's been deemed 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:00.240 by Misty, which is long time coming from me. Learn 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.120 a lot about the Civil War and it's been really powerful. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:08.120 We have two distinguished guests, quite distinguished. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:09.480 You're welcome America. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:11.200 I'm here. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:16.080 We'll we'll, we'll go counterclock clockwise. We have doctor mister Nukelem, welcome, 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:17.480 thank you, great to see you. 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:24.280 When you say counterclockwise, actually clockwise, well, I usually opposite order. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:29.520 I try to introduce a mystery guest, doctor mister Neukelem, 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.000 doctor Josh Lambridge, Spilmaker. 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:34.440 I'm working on it. I'm working on it. 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.679 And then we have a guy who's been here before, 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:41.160 Ben Lagron, who is uh. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:42.640 He's only got a master's degree. 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:48.160 Master Ben LaGrone, I like, now, Ben, you you have 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.680 some history street cred though I am. 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.760 I am you know you call this Civil War summer, right, 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.880 So I'm such a nerd that I remember as a 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.800 kid every time July and it was getting hot, thinking 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.240 it's really hot, but it could be worse. I could 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.400 be wearing a wool uniform in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania fighting from 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.840 my life, that is, because that's just when we were 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.720 how old since I can remember. Wow, So that's my 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.040 frame of reference to make myself feel better about hot summers. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.280 At least I'm not fighting in the Civil War in 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:21.040 the middle of summer. 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.560 So Gettysburg was in July. 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.160 Yeah, July first to third sixty three. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:31.680 Wow. Yeah, it's a really specific, like mental coping device. 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:33.480 Yeah, but that's good. 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:34.880 Some things about you been. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.280 Well, that's what I meant. You got some bona fides 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:40.520 when it comes to history. 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:40.840 Yeah. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.000 What I was actually talking about was that you used 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:44.920 to teach history. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:49.040 Yeah, it's irrelevant, it's irrelevant. It's irrelevant. Yeah, Yeah, I 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.079 taught history, and so I love some war. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.239 Yes, well, great to have you been lagrown And then 0:02:55.960 --> 0:03:00.600 a various thing distinguished guests. I was gonna say it distinguished. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.280 He is not extinguished. We can go on at all. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:04.799 He is on fire. 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.440 Somebody get the fire extinguisher because he is on fire. 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.120 This is Jeff Shreeve heard of him known as JB. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:18.320 Shrive too many and uh, Jeff is my brother in law. 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.080 What disclosures. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:21.120 Jeff is misty. 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:21.680 It's out there. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:22.919 It's out there. 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:29.320 Yeah, and Jeff has a no idea, very a wonderful history. 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.720 You've got a couple of podcasts. Tell me about your podcast. 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.600 It's basically all combined now Jbshreeve dot com. It's all 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.880 right there. It's uh targeted towards believers Christians. But we 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.520 look at current events, we look at history. Just try 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:46.160 to The tagline is faith intelligent, faith based perspectives, so 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:47.960 believers can make sense of the world they live in. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:53.360 But you do a lot of history stuff. Oh yeah, we're. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:56.120 Neck deep in ah look at American history going back 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:57.840 to one hundred and fifty years, a two hundred and 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:58.520 fifty year story. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.160 Yes, so it's and you're a real history buff Like 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.760 what got us going on you being here today is 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:06.960 we were I told you about a couple of episodes 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.560 we had done. Yeah, and you've you've very well read 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:11.640 on the on the Civil War. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.680 I remember when the Civil War summer was just going 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:14.720 to be three episodes. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:20.400 You've been you've been listening that long. You remember when 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:21.520 it was just three episodes. 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.160 Well, it was planned to be three episodes episode one, 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:25.960 like we're gonna do three of these maybe, And now 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:32.320 it's like we're just going and going. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.160 Keep going. Well, Jeff, you're in the Ta Covis hot seat. 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.240 Oh yeah, as you can tell by the boots on 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:38.200 your chair. And uh, both you and Ben are going 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:42.240 to get a gift card from Takovis that you could 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.600 get a cool shirt like I've got or I got, 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.360 or you could buy your wife pair of boots like 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.800 Misty's got. We're really proud of our too, COVID. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:50.919 You could buy me a parently. 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.039 You know, there's there's a place where you like, don't 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.320 I mean in this in the field that we're in. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:05:00.279 Sometimes you you know, like promoting stuff is like the 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.920 fun stuff that people come for. But like I'm pumped 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.840 that sponsors this podcast. 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:10.479 Pump. Yeah, so you lluyed me in the Civil War, 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:11.679 but you had me with Chakhova. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.840 Yeah, well and they look what they sent us today. Yeah, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:23.160 this is pretty branding irons for boots. That's a meat 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:23.760 eater logo. 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:24.480 Yep. 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.800 So so we'll take a propane torch and heat it 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:29.279 up super hot. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:34.320 Yeah, I'm not wearing pants right on the cap. 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:36.160 Ben's wearing the shorts. 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:37.200 So you can get to. 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.560 Clarify for those. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.159 Choice that you guys have in this is which brand 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.719 do you want? The meat brand of the bear grease both? 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.840 Oh so yeah, I left right, left, right there, you go. 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:54.000 Let me let me see. 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:54.960 Yeah, isn't that cool? 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.800 Where would you put that pretty slick? Just put it anywhere? 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.080 Put on the heat my to. 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.159 Cova's boots branded with my initials, like right on the 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:03.560 heel right there. 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:05.880 Or you could put it up on the on the 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:06.599 shank of them. 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.200 Oh yeah, yeah yeah I like that. 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:13.240 Yeah, so we could we could brand yours Mistine Okay, yeah, 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:17.000 that'd be great. Nice. I also wanted to just a 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.240 couple of heading off a couple of things at the past. 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.400 Right at the top. This is the h O Sage 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:29.920 orange orange acorn grunner. Very so this is Phelps grunting 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.080 deer car. It's July man, it's time to start thinking 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:33.919 about deer hunting. Yep, it really is. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.200 And uh, I wish Bear was here because Bear is 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:38.679 passionate about the osage orange. 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.360 Yeah. So what made me think of it was when 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.920 we first made the acorn grunner, we used white oak, 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.760 and so the first run was white oak, and then 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.360 we made them a crylic, which we still do, which 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:56.680 is like an indestructible plastic essentially that that it's that 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.479 it is like machined out of this piece of crylic. 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.279 But this is my favorite one. It's Osa George with 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:07.120 a little burnt finish on it. And won't get this 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:13.240 is an inhale exhale dough bleat buck grunt call, and 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.560 uh it's it's a deer hunter's call. That's what I 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.160 call it because when I'm deer hunting, I want to 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.840 be able to call at a dough deer and have 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.320 her come in. And in the early season they really 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:25.480 respond to bleats. You can call in a buck during 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.320 the rut with a bleat. A lot of guys just 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.000 carry a grunt call. I like to have a dough 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.560 bleat and a buck grunt, and this acorn grunner is 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:33.080 a way to go. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.200 Is that is it o sage orange? Is that a 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:37.680 tree that would be common. 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.600 Across the Yeah, in many places in the kind of 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:47.160 the southeast, the upper South, in the Midwest there's probably 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.480 there's probably osage all across the South too, but it's 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.440 also in the Midwest, Okay, So yeah, I. 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.720 Was just wondering if people, if people in the Northwest 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:56.920 would know what we were, what we were talking about when 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.000 we said in George Osa. 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:05.240 George has has had a multi century marketing campaign. They've 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:10.120 been heavily marketed, first by the Native Americans, then by Bill, 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:15.360 then by others Instagram, but the George it actually started 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.320 with it was the first Native Americans were making bows 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.800 out of it. But then the French came and called 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.040 it bow dark Boy's day arc. I don't know what 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.360 does that mean. Bo dark means. 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:28.120 Uh, French. 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.800 Wood of the bow, bow wood, I see, yeah, because 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.560 they came here and they saw Native Americans making bows 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.200 out of os George and it's uh, it's it's one 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:45.560 of the most impressive woods on the continent. That's density strength. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.000 I planned, Jeff, listen to this. This is some brother 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.559 in law stuff that we need to talk about. I 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.240 redid my mailbox, which I mean might be something you 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:05.200 might consider too, and wou hey, if we did it 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.520 in Osa George, I'd get excited about it. I cut 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.920 Os George two Osa George posts. I actually made a 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:13.560 mailbox for the whole neighborhood. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.600 I actually think we should kind of go back and 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.679 tell a little bit of the backstory on this. 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.680 Well I don't even know is there much of a backstory. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.280 Well, we got a notice from our mail person the 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:30.079 neighborhood did that our our roads mailbox was too rough 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.800 and they would stop delivering like in thirty days if 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:38.079 we didn't change it. Wow, no one took action. It 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.280 was an exercise of collective inaction. 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.400 Or our mailboxes. It's like a country road where all 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.320 the mailboxes are the people that live on the road 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:51.559 or on this you know this, this lengthy platform, elevated platform. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.720 And I mean the short version of the story is 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:55.800 who came to the rescue of this haller. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:57.959 And who was very proud of that. 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.959 This guy and I went and cut two big Os 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.920 Jordan staves And when I put him in the ground, 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:09.679 I knew that they would outlive me. I mean, they will, 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.880 They'll stay on the ground for fifty to seventy years 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:12.600 before they rot. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.800 So it's an actual tree that you planning for your boy. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.880 No, no, he just cut it. He just cut like 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:20.040 a fence post. 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.120 The fence post and then built this platform. You should 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:23.800 look at it on the way. 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.120 Oh it's a work of art. And he was proud 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:27.880 of it. He sent me pictures, and our neighbors were 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:29.959 proud of it. Several of them wrote and said thank you. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.719 They were very very plait like. None of us were like, oh, 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:34.360 they're not going to stop delivering our boundy, and that's 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:35.880 kind of how we all thought. But they did, in 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.600 fact stop delivering our mail. So Clay went out there 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.439 and he was super proud of it. And every time 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.360 someone talks about it to me, they're like, hey, till 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.200 Clay thinks. We saw him out there working on the thing. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:47.560 And I was like, oh, no, you should call him. 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.840 You should call him yourself. Driving by slow it host 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:56.520 to traffic jam. That looks good jam. All the old 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.840 men around were coming over and just like, man, what 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.960 are you doing George? Stay boy, it'll be there a 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:02.520 long time. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.840 He kind of was the talk of the family chat 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.600 for a while, you know, And proud of it. 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:08.920 It's been a long time ago. 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.720 Mainly Clay. You know, he was the main person sitting 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:12.439 in that house there. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.800 It was like six months ago. Jeff's really noticed it 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.040 every time he's come by. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.160 Well, what we could do is take out my mailbox 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.880 staves and make a custom run over grunners. 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:32.720 We'll do that in fifty to seventy years. Good look, yeah, yeah, 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.560 So what have you been doing today, Clay Man? 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.680 I have I forgot what an intoxicant it was. He 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:41.280 is going to be bulldozer. 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:42.319 He's going to be unbearable. 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.800 I actually wrote a song about it one time. But yeah, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.280 I've been on a I've been on Kamatsu fifty one 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.679 for about six hours, five hours today. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:53.520 How long do you have it for? How many hours 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.040 do you get to this forty? He's got forty hours 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.360 he's going to be spending. I've texted with all the kids. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:04.040 This is like apex life experience for Clay Newcombe to 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.400 get to be on a bulldozer, and I've just kind 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.280 of resigned myself. He's doing hard work, good work that 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:14.640 I want done, but he will be unbearable for for 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:19.559 about a week, just just the thrill, the the adrenaline rush, 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.040 the high of being on a bulldozer and feeling that 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:23.640 much power all day long. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.520 He's have you ever done it, missy? Have you ever 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:25.920 done it? 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.880 No, but I have. There is talk of me getting to. 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.920 Push somebody operating it. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.839 There is a high that comes with operating heavy equipment. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.599 it is a I feel. 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.120 So powerful when I say I'm bearable, I'm not judging. 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.240 I'm like, I'm willing to take it like it's. 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.359 There's a connotation of the word unbearable. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.480 Well, I get you. I hear what you're saying. I'm 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.439 just saying I just know like this is going to 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.800 put Clay in a position. I hope he can bear 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.320 the weight of the burden that's on him right now. 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.520 We'll see, we'll see where the humility versus the the adrenaline. 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:03.240 Yeah, what I'm not good at I'm good at pushing 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:08.040 stuff over real good. I'm not great at keeping it smooth, 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:13.280 because you know, you push over a big tree. I'm 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.560 not pushing over big trees. I'm pushing over medium size 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:21.120 locusts osae, orange and cedar that have grown up. It's 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:25.560 a pretty interesting study on the successionary plants of this region. 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.439 But if you just take a if your front yard, Jeff, 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.000 that you mow with a lawnmower, if you didn't mow 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.959 it for one hundred years, just let it go. The 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:42.640 first stage of succession would be locus osa George cedar, 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:46.880 eastern red cedar, sassafras per simmon like these. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:48.440 How long would it take to get those? 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:52.200 You would get those within two or three years. The 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:53.280 sprouts would pop up. 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:54.120 We're working on it. 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.320 And then if you let that go for thirty years, 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.079 you'd have what I have over here. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:02.720 When was the last time that was clear? 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:07.600 Do you think My neighbor, who's very closely watching what 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.800 I'm doing, has told me that thirty years ago it 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.680 was a bermuda pasture just like his. Really, this is 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.520 really beautiful, and he said it looked just like my place. Really, 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.720 it's pretty interesting, just how quickly the natural world takes 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:27.280 over something. Yeah, you know. So, so there's the power 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.680 is is what do you take? What do you leave? 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:34.000 Because there is some nice walnut that is from that 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:42.040 secondary growth. Yeah, so I'm keeping that, but we are well. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:47.240 Bar Newcomb is a bird's out of town today. But 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.000 if you haven't checked looked at his YouTube channel. You should. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:52.840 He's got he's got some good. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.440 Wildly entertaining when he's making that foe. I know this 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.400 is a couple of months ago, was that os George? 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.280 Yes, yeah, yeah. 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.960 I turn on the videos a lot of times when 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:03.920 I just sit down and eat lunch or something, and 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.280 I'm just captivated. Yeah. 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.320 A lot of a lot of my friends with young kids, 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:13.400 their kids are watching them, and that's like, you know, 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.080 just entertainment for for young people. I think that's pretty 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:16.760 good entertainment. 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.120 I met this little boy in the in the chiropractor. 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:20.680 I think I may have mentioned it. Met him in 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.640 the chiropractor the other day, and he's world's biggest Bear 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.160 Grease fan. He's I think he's five six years old, 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.120 maybe six years old, and his name is Gus. And 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:31.680 I saw him again the other day and they've just 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.360 been eating up at Bear Grease content. 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.280 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, nice. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:43.600 Nice. Well we are we could continue to small talk. 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.880 We could we could start, you know, as they say, 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:53.720 big talk, yeah start, yeah. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:58.320 Can you can you clarify what they say? 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.440 We are here to talk about the American Civil War. 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.200 So the first episode that we did talked about the 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:11.720 causes of the Civil War. Second episode was about Lincoln 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.600 and Robert E. Lee, these two players that played roles 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:19.640 in the Civil War. Third one was about why men 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:26.160 fought and it basically we highlighted the cherokeys that fought. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.800 And is that the one where he surprised you with 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:29.880 your family tree? 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.840 Yes? Yes, yes, that was cool. 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:35.880 The way he surprised him. 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.360 Yeah, Jeff, do you have any When I started this, 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.320 it's pretty intimidating to do an episode on the Civil War. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:47.520 It's just so big. Any commentary on the sometimes mysty's 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:49.200 like played. The way that you do stuff is just 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:56.560 completely backwards. Some lives are four and to me, it 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.400 just makes perfect sense the way that we've done this anyway, 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.720 the progression of the series. Like you're a podcaster, you're 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:04.520 you're a writer. 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.399 Boy, I'm enjoying it. I mean, I've been enjoying the 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.240 way you get into it. I like to debate, you know. 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.520 As I listened to him while I run and like 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.880 I had to make sure this. I'm just tell him, Josh, 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.520 I wasn't sure if this was video or podcast because 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.719 I just threw everything audio. So I listened to him 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.760 while I'm running, and I think about what they're saying. 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.479 It's like, well, maybe this, maybe that, but I've been 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.200 enjoying just the progression of it all so far. 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:34.080 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, what did you said? You had 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.160 some thoughts on Thomas Jefferson. 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.000 On Thomas Jefferson, Oh boy, do I got thoughts on 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:39.879 Thomas Jefferson. 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.760 Because the question that came up in the first episode was, 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:45.960 this is the guy that wrote the Declaration of Independence, 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:47.560 And we went back all the way to the dec 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.760 Declaration and how I had kind of made a caveat 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:57.600 for slavery, but yet it talked about the equality of 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.080 all men, and then Thomas Jefferson had owned slaves. 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.159 Yeah, so Jefferson, then you back me up, make me 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.240 look smart, correct everything that I'm doing wrong here, but 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.879 do it in a nice way. But Jefferson, he would 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.480 say things like he was all about image. In my mind, 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.359 when I look at Jefferson, the more I read about him, 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.480 the less I like him, because when you dig down 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.760 into his life, it's like, ah, this guy says these 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.720 nice words, and then you look behind the scenes and 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:25.360 it's like just a lot of the not nice way 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.600 of hypocrisy. Just it doesn't line up his actions. Do 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.000 not line up with what he says. And one of 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.200 the things I've learned is there's two if you take 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.880 politics and he divide him in half. There's realist and idealist, right, 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:43.280 two different schools of thought. The idealist and you would 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:47.000 put like Jefferson in that camp. To me Rousseau, who 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:49.760 out of France, you know, with the Enlightenment, who he 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.760 was heavily influenced by. You would also, going on down 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:54.720 the line further in history, you'd put someone like Marx, 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.359 Karl Marx, the founder of communism or one of the 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.560 founders of communism, Guys like that, where they're all about 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.600 painting this high vision and they don't expect you to 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.399 necessarily hit it all all right. They don't like the 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.760 idea of hypocrisy. That's not really the point. It's about 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.960 putting this big thing out there, and you know, weoul 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.760 just trib for it. And they're about more about tearing 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.040 things down than they are about building things up, so 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.960 they're tearing down power structures. People would say, like Marxist 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:22.920 theory comes out of there. Then on the other side 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.639 you've got the realist and that would be folks like 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:29.399 John Adams and during with the founding father's generation. I'm 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:34.680 Edmund Burke out of the British parliamentary parliamentary school of thought. 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.800 Guys who you can't be all pineing the sky. You 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.560 got to have realistic applications, and they do that. And 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.840 so there's two different frames of thought. And so when 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:45.919 it comes to those political theories, and so when I 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.400 look at Jefferson, I would fall more along the lines 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.080 of a realist. It's like, you got to do what 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:50.840 you say, you. 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:52.320 Know, Wait, he was He wasn't. 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.680 He was not. And in his mind what I see 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.239 when I read his writings, what he said and then 0:19:58.280 --> 0:19:59.960 what he actually did, it's kind of like that was 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.440 It's okay in his mind. I mean, Rousseau wasn't thinking 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.680 I've got to get all this accomplished now. He was thinking, 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:06.840 I've got to tear down the power structures that would 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.360 prevent these good things from happening. And that's the way 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:10.200 he would put it out and. 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.640 Kind of let someone else do it. Yeah, you gave 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.760 me an example, you said, Carl Marx like lived with 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:16.560 his mom or something. 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:21.040 Yeah, he was like a drunk. He's a drunk. He 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.119 was not a very good human being at all. He 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.439 basically had to live off of his family's dollar just 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:28.440 to get all these writings out. And then there's all 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:31.320 sorts of chaos that resulted from the stuff that he did, Right, 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.520 But he's putting something out there that had good pieces 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.520 to it. You know, we've seen a lot of bad 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:38.880