1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. The way that we 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: sentence is racist and has to be reformed. Cash bail 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: is racist. It's basically saying, if you can't make bail, 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: you have to go to jail before you're convicted. We 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: don't want to criminalize poverty. We do not want to 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: continuous system that everybody agrees is broken. Cash bail perpetual 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: waste society apart. It's time for bail reform now. It's 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: long pastime to reduce our dependence on the cash bail 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: and stop incarcerating non violet offenders for no reason other 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: than being poor. We have exonerated at this point fourteen 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: people and we've been in office for about twenty six months. 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: It is a sea change from everything that came before. 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: It is a microcosm of the realities of what progressive 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: prosecutors face now when they're trying to go back in 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: time and do justice. We've already implemented a policy on 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: first time marijuana misdemeanor offenses. Okay, we are rejecting those cases. Unfortunately, 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: because of the bail bond situation being as functional as 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: it is, these people are sitting in jail for a 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: number of days, sometimes and nobody should sit in jail 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: on a case that's not going to be prosecuted. HI, 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: this is new due to the virus. I'm recording from home, 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: so you may notice a difference in audio quality. Does 23 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: the rise in crime and some of our major American 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: cities correlate to the election of so called progressive prosecutors. 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: These reformed district attorneys have immense potential to reshape the 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: justice system as a whole. There are more than two thousand, 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: three hundred elected prosecutors charged with representing the public's interest 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: in promoting public safety and ensuring that justice has done. 29 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: But instead they are reorienting the criminal justice system toward 30 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: more lenient and less harsh outcomes. The Law Enforcement Legal 31 00:01:54,200 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: Defense Fund studied six cities Dallas, Philadelphia, Baltimore, San Antonio, Chicago, 32 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: and Saint Louis to understand the impact these prosecutors are 33 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: having on crime. The result is their July twenty twenty report, 34 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: Prosecutorial Malpractice Progressive Prosecutors, Public Safety and fellow in the Outcomes. 35 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: It is a comprehensive look at the impact these anti 36 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: police pro criminal district attorneys are heaven on American cities. 37 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm pleased to welcome my guest, Jason Johnson, president of 38 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: a law enforcement Legal defense LALL. Jason Johnson joined the 39 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: Law Enforcement Legal Defense Flat as president in January twenty 40 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: nineteen after twenty years as a law enforcement officer and executive. 41 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: Before that, mister Johnson served as Deputy Commissioner of the 42 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: bald More Police Department from twenty sixteen to two eighteen. 43 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: What led you to decide to move from policing to 44 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund Mission Women, it's a 45 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: speaker first office, a privilege to join you, and I'm 46 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: honored to be able to talk about this important topic. 47 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: I spent over twenty years in local law enforcement at 48 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: various levels, so I got a really good sense of 49 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: the way this system works. I think people will always 50 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: think of criminal justice as truly a system. They look 51 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: at the most visible part of the criminal justice system, 52 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: which is the police, I don't really think about what 53 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: happens after that. Throughout my career, I started to see 54 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: a real shift in the way police officers themselves are 55 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: treated by the system. A good example of that would 56 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: be the officers charged in the Freddie Gray case and 57 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: in other high profile cases around the country where it 58 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: seemed even in two eighteen, and certainly in the years 59 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: leading up to two eighteen, that police officers found themselves 60 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: more on the defensive and unable to do their job 61 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: without fear of being singled out because of their profession. 62 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: When this opportunity presented itself for me, my predecessor, Ron 63 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: Hosco moved on to a different role and his role 64 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: became available at the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund, it 65 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: was sort of a no brainer for me to jump 66 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: at the opportunity to really work on behalf of not 67 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: only the men and women of law enforcement, but of 68 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: the many, many millions of people in this country that 69 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: support law enforcement. And they want to see police officers 70 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: do a good job. They want to see police departments 71 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: function well and keep the streets safe and do it 72 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: in a lawful and professional way. But when they see 73 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: police officers being singled out and mistreated and wrongfully prosecuted 74 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: or wrongfully sued, they get angry about that, and they 75 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: want to support good, professional, public safety and law enforcement. 76 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: And so it was a great opportunity for me to 77 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: step in and help work in those areas. I've really 78 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: got turned onto this play. A couple of things. One 79 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: was that we had Chief Braughton from New York did 80 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: a podcast with us, and I asked them about Chicago, 81 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: which I've always been fascinated by because of its endemic 82 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: shootings on the South Side, and he said, it's not 83 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: the police. He said, if you have a dishal attorney 84 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: who refuses to prosecute, there's nothing you can do. And 85 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: I had noticed the same thing developing with Philadelphia, with Baltimore, 86 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: with Portland, with Seattle, and a horse New York now 87 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: has extended it to a no bail law where you 88 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: pick up a criminal, walk in, book them, and walk out, 89 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 1: and sometimes they're back on the street before you finish 90 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: the paperwork. So this whole notion of the prosecutorial component 91 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: fastened to me. And I had noticed that the Law 92 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: Enforcement Legal Defense Fund had published Prosecutorial Malpractice, Progressive Prosecutors, 93 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: Public Safety and Felony Outcomes, which really looks at six 94 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: of these district attorneys. And I'll tell you going into this, 95 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm doing everything i can to replace 96 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: the word progressive with the term pro criminal and anti police. 97 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: For the average American. That's a much more accurate description 98 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: of what progressive has degenerated into But I offer that 99 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: just as a thought. So tell me about the six 100 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: industrict attorneys you looked at and what you learn from that. 101 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: First of all, the reason that we wanted to do 102 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: this is because we feel that the criminal justice system 103 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: that general working citizen who wants to be safe. The 104 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: part of the system they think about is the police, 105 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: and they don't think so much about elected prosecutors and 106 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: what their role in the system is. They tend to 107 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: think of it in a way whereas the police are 108 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: doing their job and they're removing criminals from the streets, 109 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: that the system is working. But in reality, really where 110 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: the rubber meets the road in the system are prosecutors. 111 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: Because prosecutors are elected. Traditionally, they haven't been really partisan elections. 112 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: They're more on the basis of profession experience. Typically it 113 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: would be career prosecutors that would stand for election and 114 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: be elected, and partisan politics really didn't play much of 115 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: a role. But now there's been a major shift in it. 116 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: We have these progressive or pro criminal and anti police 117 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: prosecutors as you would call them, are being elected in 118 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: cities across America, including places like Baltimore and Philadelphia and 119 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: Chicago and Dallats and lots of lots of other smaller jurisdictions. 120 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: And so we saw that trend and we saw the 121 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: impact that it was having on crime, particularly violent crime, 122 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: and so we wanted to take a little bit of 123 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: a deeper dive and see if we could establish some 124 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: connection between the increases in crime and the prosecutorial philosophies 125 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: being installed in these offices. We selected six different district 126 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: attorney's offices. There were a lot of reasons why we 127 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: selected them. Frankly, part of the reasons where the availability 128 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: of data. We needed data to be able to prove 129 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: ourselves wrong depending on the states fo laws and cooperativeness 130 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: of the offices. That's how we selected them. We also 131 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: had a working theory in some of these cities, like 132 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: Philadelphia and Baltimore, in Chicago in particular, probably Saint Louis 133 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: to some degree, that is what was happening. We did 134 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: see crime increasing, We did think there was a linkage 135 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: to the way the prosecutors offices were being operated. We 136 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: wanted to take a closer look, and we also wanted 137 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: to look at some offices where the elected head of 138 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: the office had been supported in their election by big 139 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: money contributors like George Soros and the many packs that 140 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: he funnels money through. So that's how we selected the jurisdictions, 141 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: and we simply made public records requests viewed online. Court 142 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: outcomes both a significant amount of data to sit through 143 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: to determine what, if anything, had changed between the incumbent 144 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: so called progressive prosecutor and their predecessor. In many cases, 145 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: the predecessor they weren't conservative, hardline crime fighting prosecutors. They 146 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: were just more nonpartisan and professional prosecutors who weren't so 147 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: much influenced by this progressive movement that we're seeing across 148 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: the country. There's really an amazing difference between the pro criminal, 149 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: anti police prosecutors that George Soros has been funding and 150 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: the traditional prosecutors that they're replacing. It destrikes me that 151 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: almost everywhere you turn to the country, there are now 152 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: key cities that have people who are radically differed than 153 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: anything we've ever seen before in terms of their approach 154 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: to prosecution. Traditional prosecutors that are the predecessors of these 155 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: pro criminal prosecutors. Historically, these are folks who have climbed 156 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: the ranks of the prosecutor's offices. Their career prosecutors, they've 157 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: dedicated their professional life to pursuing justice on behalf of 158 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: the communities that they serve. They are in every sense 159 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: law enforcement officers. They are charged with enforcing the law. 160 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: They are not legislators, they are not activists. They are 161 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: professionals who accept the laws that are passed and the 162 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: democratic process, and they simply enforce those laws by charging 163 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: people who violated the laws and then proving those cases 164 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: in court. That's how they approach their work. These new 165 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: pro criminal prosecutors have largely divergent backgrounds. I mean everything 166 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: from being public defenders, so having come from a career 167 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: of defending people who are charged with crimes, to civil 168 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: rights attorneys like Larry Krasner in Philadelphia who's made a 169 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: living by suing the police department. That's the philosophy that 170 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: he comes from. So it's a much different profile. It's 171 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,479 Speaker 1: a profile of people who have come from these activists 172 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: roots where they want to break down in many ways, 173 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: the criminal justice system. Rather than try to simply hold 174 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: criminals accountable when they violate the law, these pro criminal 175 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: prosecutors are in every way activists. They support no bail laws, 176 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: They support repealing certain drug laws, and when certain drug 177 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: laws aren't repealed, they simply won't enforce them, so they 178 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: take on really the role of the legislator and not 179 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: the role of a person working in the system. Even 180 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: in Dallas, the current progressive pro criminal prosecutor there, John Cruzoe, 181 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: not only wanted to decriminalize marijuana, but also wanted to 182 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: decriminalize things like theft under seven hundred and fifty dollars 183 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: and trespassing, parts of the criminal code that are critical 184 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: to prevent abject violations of private property rights that are 185 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: just being simply disregarded and not enforced, and so much 186 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: much different profile for these folks than for their predecessors 187 00:11:44,040 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: and incumbents in other jurisdictions. There's part of this there's 188 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: no bail movement. Can you explain the logic behind that 189 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: and how that works? People don't have to post bail 190 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: walk out. The idea of the no bail movement or 191 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: bail reform movement, as something I call it, is the 192 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: notion that the cash bail system discriminates against people who 193 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: are poor, that they simply don't have access to the 194 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: money necessary to put up to be bailed out, and 195 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: that people who do have resources are able to in 196 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: advance of trial be free and not be incarcerated in 197 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: people who are poor don't have the resources, and let's 198 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: just sit in jail and await their trial. And so 199 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: different states have implemented this in different ways. No one, 200 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: in my view, has really gotten it right. At some level, 201 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: we can all understand that we don't want a system 202 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: where being or results in you being treated differently by 203 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: the system. Certainly we get that, but neither do we 204 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: want a system where dangerous people who are charged with 205 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: violent crimes are allowed to simply sign a paper saying 206 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: they promise to appear in court and be released. And 207 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: that's what's happening. Certainly, that's what's happening in New York, 208 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,479 Speaker 1: and the Police Commissioner has been very vocal about that. 209 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: That has contributed, along with a lot of other factors, 210 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: to sharp increases in crime in New York City. On 211 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: one level, I think that we all see a need 212 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: to change the way business has been conducted with respect 213 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: to pre trial release, but the way it's being implemented 214 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: is contributing in a big way to threats to public 215 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: safety because instead of identifying some better risk management strategy. 216 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: It has gone from one extreme to the other, where 217 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: on the one end, someone without resources simply has to 218 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: remain incarcerated, and someone with resources charged with the same 219 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: offense be able to get out. So now we've gone 220 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: to the complete other end of the spectrum where we're 221 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: not even really making an attempt to protect the public 222 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: from people who are charged with serious, in some cases 223 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: violent offenses. I want to stay on this no bailfingness 224 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: from in amor because it it strikes me that the 225 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: rationale verges are insane. If I come at a crime 226 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: and I walk in and I get booked, and I 227 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: turn around and I walked back out, one, the signal 228 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: that sends to the system that you can get away 229 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: with these things it has to be horrendous. Two. There's 230 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: been at least one case I've read about with a 231 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: guy one out and then killed the person who is 232 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: going to be a witness against them. And it just 233 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: strikes me that it's the opposite of common sense to 234 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: believe that you could routinely allow people on their own 235 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: recognisance to just sign a document and walk off and 236 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: expect them to show back up. What am I missing? Unfortunately, 237 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: I don't think you're missing anything. That is the system 238 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: that's being pursued by progressive activists across the country. In 239 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: some cases, some states are adopting a system where there's 240 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: a risk management calculation based on the person, what they're 241 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: charged with, what their prior record is, whether they've failed 242 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: to appear for court in the past, the threat to 243 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: the public based on the charges, and other things like that. 244 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, no one has 245 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: really figured this out. How we can protect the public 246 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: from potentially dangerous people who are charged with dangerous offenses 247 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: and still eliminate a discriminatory system where poor people may 248 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: have to remain incarcerated. But the solution that has been 249 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: proposed and has been implemented in some places, including New York, 250 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: doesn't work. It increases the danger to not only the 251 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: public at large, but to people who are witnesses, people 252 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: who are victims, and others who don't have anyone really 253 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: to protect them. So similarly, you have some of these 254 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: pro criminal prosecutors have announced grandly that they won't even 255 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: charge you if what you steal is below a certain amount. 256 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: I think in one county it's seven hundred and fifty dollars. 257 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: But isn't that then just kind of a signal to 258 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: every criminal in the county, go find stuff that six 259 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: hundred dollars or six hundred fifty dollars and you can 260 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: steal your hearts content. It contributes to this lawless attitude 261 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: that it's been really exacerbated in the wake of the 262 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: George Floyd riots, where there really is in many of 263 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: these cities, and we've all seen these viral videos of 264 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: BLM and other organizations Antifa going in and intimidating people, 265 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: forcing them to put their hands off. It's just anarchists 266 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: chaos that we see in many cities in these jurisdictions 267 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: that have elected prosecutors who have a philosophy that for 268 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: certain minor offenses that they feel it's within their ability 269 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: as elected prosecutors to simply repeal laws that were passed 270 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: by the legislature, signed by the governor and put into 271 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: law that prosecutors, as an exercise of discretion, have just 272 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: said I'm not going to enforce. So if they're not 273 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: going to enforce it, and everyone knows they're not going 274 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: to enforce it, then people are just going to treat 275 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: it as having been legalized, whether it's drugs, or it's theft, 276 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: or it's trust passing, or it's disorderly conduct, or whatever 277 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: the case may be. Once they make that announcement, You're 278 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: quite right, it neutralizes the law. Police officers taken oath 279 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: to enforce the law. They don't take an oath to 280 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: enforce the dictates of the elected prosecutor. So officers are 281 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: bound and police departments are bound by oath to take 282 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: certain action in certain situations. For example, if someone commits 283 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: a theft in Dallas of five hundred dollars, Dallas police 284 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: officers have taken an oath to enforce the law, but 285 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: they know, because it's an official announcement that was made 286 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: by the secutor, that that case will not be prosecuted. 287 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 1: So essentially the arrest of the person will be the 288 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: end in the criminal justice system. That case will just 289 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: be dropped before it even gets to a trial being 290 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: So it really puts the police officers in a far 291 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: worse position because let's say they have to use force 292 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: in making an arrest of a person who's committed a 293 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: theft of five hundred dollars and the person is injured 294 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: or worse, then it really sets the police officer in 295 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: the police department up for even harsher judgment and criticism 296 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: and lawsuits and criminal charges because the officer actually knows 297 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: that the system will not process that case, the arrest 298 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: will be the end of it. Not only does it 299 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: promote this sense of lawlessness, but it really does put 300 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: other players in the system in a much worse place, 301 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: especially police officers who actually are responsible to the law. 302 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: They don't have the luxury of just simply legalizing criminal offenses. 303 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: They just have to follow the law. Prosecutors should do 304 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: the same thing. This is clearly now a nationwide movement. 305 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: Why do these people take such an intense anti police 306 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: attitude and they have an intense pro criminal attitude? What 307 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: do you think is behind all that? It's a coordinative effort. 308 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: So this isn't just random that in certain cities there 309 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: are people who are feeling inspired to offend to public office. 310 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: This is something that is happening in a very coordinated way. 311 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: It's financed by many people, but probably the most recognizable 312 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: name behind it is George Soros, who has contributed millions 313 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: of dollars to help elect these prosecutors with this philosophy 314 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: that really runs completely counter to every tradition of the 315 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: professional prosecutor in modern American history. I think it's just 316 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: being done to completely upend the system. It is very 317 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: much in line with the idea that we should defund 318 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: police departments, reduce its eyes, or even in some cases 319 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 1: even eliminate police departments. It really is the next step 320 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: in that journey of completely upending the system as it exists. 321 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: I think most people that have any experience in the 322 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: criminal justice system as professionals, would say that the criminal 323 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: justice system is imperfect, it does need to be improved. 324 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: But what is really happening here, and it's happening very rapidly, 325 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: and in some ways it's happening under the radar, is 326 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: that the entire criminal justice system is being dismantled in 327 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: front of us. Now, that defunding movement is very public. 328 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: Now it's out there. We hear about defunding, we have 329 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: activists on the news talking about the funding and what 330 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: that means to them. But this progressive or pro criminal 331 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: prosecutor movement is a little more insidious. It's not something 332 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: that's as widely known, and I don't think that many 333 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: people who live in these jurisdictions where these prosecutors are 334 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: being elected are quite aware of what is happening. Because 335 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: prosecutor's offices, unlike mayors and governors and members of Congress, 336 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: they're kind of far down the battle People don't traditionally 337 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: focus as much on those candidates, so infusing money into 338 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: those races in some cases makes all the difference. I mean, 339 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: it's a name recognition issue where money does make an 340 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: enormous difference. And choosing to help elect prosecutors by people 341 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: like George Soros is a relatively inexpensive proposition versus trying 342 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: to get someone elected to the US Senate or someone 343 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: elected to Congress, or a governor or even a mayor. 344 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: It's much less money has to be put in, and 345 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: the amount of change that can happen pace at which 346 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: the change can happen is very, very rapid. It's dramatic, really, 347 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: because prosecutors have this discretion. Prosecutors operate in an environment 348 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: where they can just simply exercise their discretion to do 349 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: these things we're talking about, like repealing a law like 350 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: theft or drugs or disorderly conduct or trust passing. They 351 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: don't need to get a bill passed, they don't need 352 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: to do anything. They just simply exercise their discretion, and 353 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: so I think people like George Source have recognized the 354 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 1: power they hold, tremendous power because of their discretion. It 355 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: is all a coordinated effort to exact massive change to 356 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: this system. But the change is one that we're already seen. 357 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: I mean already we see the tremendous impact on public 358 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: safety and increases in crime and lack of accountability for 359 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: those who are committing acts of violence. So I thought, 360 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: to the newly elected prosecutor in Portland, release something like 361 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: six hundred people almost as soon as he was on industry. 362 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: He's not contrived. And then the Contra County, California, the 363 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: district Attorney, Diana Beckman said she's going to consider the 364 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: looter's needs when weighing criminal charges. You're really a needy 365 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: person while you're destroying property and stealing things, You'll be 366 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: treated differently by her. So she becomes the judge and 367 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: the jury and the legislature all wrapped into one person. 368 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: Do you know if has anybody put together the total 369 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: amount of Saurus's network and the total amount of money 370 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: he's spending to try to radically change America. I don't 371 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: believe when we took on this project. That's one of 372 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: the things I wanted to try to figure out is 373 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: how much money and exactly to whom the money is 374 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: going just to support the election of these prosecutors. I 375 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: learned very quickly, just by starting to do searches that 376 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: the way that Souris contributes and the way the money 377 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: sort of funnels down onto these candidates through tacks and 378 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: through nonprofits, it's very, very difficult to track, and so 379 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: it would be great if someone had the know how 380 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: and the resources to do that. It would be labor 381 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: intensive to do that, just because a lot of it 382 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: is hidden. It's not out in the open. It's not 383 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: transparent at all because it's funneled through these other organizations. 384 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: And so no, I don't know, but for individual candidates 385 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: you can find it out. I mean, he's contributed a 386 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: significant amount of money to Kim Fox, who's the Cook 387 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: County District Attorney in Chicago, Larry Krasner and Philadelphia, and 388 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: certainly a handful of others, including a few others that 389 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: we looked at it in our study. If the average 390 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: citizen come up to you and said, Okay, you've convinced me, 391 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: what can they do to counter vision. This is a 392 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: situation where big money is controlling the outcome of these elections. 393 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: Even the people in many of these jurisdictions don't see 394 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: that it's happening. So for the average citizen, it's just 395 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: educating themselves on the candidates. Once the prosecutor is elected, 396 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: who has one of these philosophies, in many ways, it's 397 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: too late. So what the average citizen can do is 398 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: learn about the candidates and advance at the election, and 399 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: then after they're elected, hold them accountable for what they're doing. Certainly, 400 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: anyone could look at our report if they live in 401 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: any one of these six jurisdictions and become educated about 402 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: what is actually happening in their prosecutor's offices, and they 403 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: ask questions. That's the democratic process. You ask questions of 404 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: your leaders. Try not to elect people with this kind 405 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: of philosophy, but if you did, as an electorate, hold 406 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: them accountable, ask them questions, call them out, encourage your 407 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: newspaper to ask questions. And unfortunately, because this is a 408 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: well funded movement, it's going to take a movement in 409 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: the other direction to push back and to say we 410 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: care about the safety of our streets. We don't accept 411 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: violent criminals being put out on the street just to 412 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: reoffend and potentially kill another person. In Philadelphia, where Larry 413 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: Krasner is the district attorney, a police officer, James O'Connor 414 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: was murdered by a man who was put on the 415 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: street thanks to Larry Krausner's policy, says sign Elliott, who 416 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: was a known violent gang number that Krasner's District Attorney's 417 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: office was responsible for putting on the street, and he 418 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: later kills a Philadelphia police officer. So this is not 419 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: just a philosophical conversation about what we like or dislike 420 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: in criminal justice system. This really has human result. Is 421 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: there any ground for state legislature deciding to impeach a 422 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: district attorney who refuses to enforce the law? I don't know. 423 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: I imagine that would vary by state. Clearly, in many 424 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: cases there is the violation of their both prosecutors too, 425 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: and they're sworn in taking both to enforce the law faithfully, 426 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: and that's just not happening. I want to thank you 427 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: for your service both in uniform and you're continuing service 428 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: in this new role, and I want you to know 429 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: that I think that This is one of the most 430 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: important pieces of the puzzle that we have to solve 431 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,239 Speaker 1: to get back to a dramatically less violent America, and 432 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: the work you're doing is absolutely critical. I want to 433 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: thank you for taking this kind of time to educate 434 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: us and what I think is a very important and 435 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: very timely topic. 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