WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly: RNC Edition 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:02.880 All Zone Media. 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:05.800 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:09.480 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:12.559 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.400 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.880 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:20.840 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:22.639 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:27.640 you can make your own decisions. Robert Evans here and 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.680 this is it could Happen here a podcast out Things 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.760 falling apart, and boy they share seem to be, don't they. 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.159 The twenty twenty four election is terrifying a lot of 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.800 people at this stage after a disastrous debate performance by 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.400 Joe Biden. And this episode will be coming out on 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:48.120 the Monday that the Republican National Convention starts in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.360 A lot of people are terrified about a Trump dictatorship, 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:55.440 about Project twenty twenty five and all that that entails. 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.440 And I want to tell you first off, you know 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.760 we will be having a lot of coverage from the convention. Garrison, 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:03.760 Sophie and I are all going to be there all week. 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:07.440 We'll start dropping our convention episodes on Wednesday and Thursday 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:11.039 and Friday, and then we'll probably have some summary content 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.319 after that the next week, So we will be getting 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:18.119 you our experiences here and everything that we encounter on 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.000 the ground during what I think is going to wind 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:25.480 up being a pretty important week for the American fascist movement. 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.080 But right now, what I want to address is the 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.240 sense of kind of unbridled terror that I've seen from 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.600 a lot of people around me, not just leftists, but 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.720 regular people that I know in my life, Folks who 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.320 are just kind of like casual democrats, not the kind 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.200 to think much about politics, but have suddenly seen the 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.760 potential of what a Trump second term might bring with 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:49.960 it and are rightfully terrified. So I want to first off, 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:54.440 tell everyone in that bucket, don't panic. That's what this 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.760 episode is about. And I'm going to try and give 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.840 you some good reasons not to panic, some reasons why 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.640 our situation is not as dire as it seems. And 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.400 my goal here is not to lull you into an 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:10.040 action or stop you from preparing. You should, in fact 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.360 be preparing, And we talk about the various things you 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:16.560 can do organizing in your community, taking action to support migrants, 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.919 to support each other, to support your LGBTQ friends, women 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:25.079 seeking reproductive justice. That's our daily bread and butter. Right now, 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.919 I want to give you some reasons for optimism about 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:32.400 victory and the overall struggle against these fucking maniacts so 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.280 as most regular listeners will know, Back in the spring 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.880 of twenty nineteen, I published the first season of It 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.320 Could Happen Here, which was originally a scripted podcast about 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.239 the very real possibility of a civil conflict in the 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.800 United States. The years since have proven several of my 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:53.160 predictions painfully accurate. I started the series with fictional vignettes 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.800 from the perspective of an American civilian watching American tanks 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.679 roll through the streets of their city. Within a year, 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.680 thousands and thousands of listeners had variants of that exact 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:07.000 experience thanks to the George Floyd uprisings. I was humbled 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.480 and more than a little frightened by the response that 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.799 some people had to the first iteration of it Could 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.080 Happen Here. During twenty twenty, while I was on the 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.080 ground in four different states, dozens and dozens of people 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.639 told me the series had influenced their own choices for 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.320 how to act and organize on the ground with their 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.000 friends out in the world, and that is humbling and 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.320 a little bit frightening. And I promise you I'm not 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.480 laying this out to brag or try to make an 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:34.120 argument from authority. I'm not saying I predicted something five 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.520 years ago and was right, so you should listen to 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.160 what I have to predict now. In fact, I kind 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.680 of want to do the opposite because in another podcast 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.520 I recorded in twenty nineteen on the anti VAXX movement, 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.040 this would have been an episode of Behind the Bastards, 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.400 I laid out a theoretical pandemic and I described it 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.920 spreading almost exactly the way the COVID nineteen pandemic really 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:57.440 did spread just a few months later. And yet, in 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:01.400 February of twenty twenty, when COVID nineteen had been confirmed 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.000 to have entered the United States and was spreading over 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.320 other parts of the world like wildfire, I had friends 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.480 ask me what I thought was going to happen, and, 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.680 you know, thinking back to stars, thinking back to bird flu, 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.680 thinking back to the Ebola, you know, epidemic in twenty fourteen. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:23.279 My answer was, I don't know, It'll probably be fine. Right, someone, 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.000 surely there's some adults out there who are gonna, you know, 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.400 lock this thing down. They're not just gonna let it 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.480 run rampant over the population. Right. There's a term for 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.680 what happened to me there, and it's called normalcy bias. 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.800 Normalcy bias is the tendency to assume that whatever has 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.120 gone down in the past will keep happening, often despite 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.440 evidence to the contrary. Something like eighty percent of people 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:49.200 display attributes of delusional thinking caused by the normalcy bias 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:54.520 during disasters, Emergency responders sometimes called this negative panic. We 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.080 got a great example of negative panic a couple of 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.920 weeks ago. Video went viral of a bowl that got 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.640 loose during a rodeo in rural Oregon, and it started 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.480 just just absolutely goring random yocals who were like wandering 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.640 around in between chiro stands and beer carts behind sort 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.000 of the stands. And a few of these people had 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.320 the presence of mind to run. One guy even pulled 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.279 a gun. And I don't know entirely how we want 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.159 to rate that as a response, but a lot of 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.040 folks just stared at the bowl, which a blank looks 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.760 on their face is utterly uncomprehended. You can tell from 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.920 their body language that they just couldn't believe what they 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.720 were seeing. And some of those people got rammed right 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.040 in the fucking gut by a bull a second later. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.560 The immediate danger that their eyes were telling them was 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:41.080 there just seemed too far fetched to take seriously. The 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:45.160 normalcy bias is an important cognitive error, but it's just 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:49.919 one of the cognitive errors that regularly pushes mankind towards catastrophes. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.760 And while we're on that subject, I should warn those 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:54.719 of you who'd like to try their hand at predicting 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:59.920 the future of a separate cognitive delusion, catastrophizing. This is 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.440 the tendency to assume that the absolute worst case scenario 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.800 will come to pass, and it's often a trauma reaction. 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.560 When you've been blown up, you kind of always expect 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.880 the world to blow up around you. If you've been 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.919 in a relationship with someone who blows up, who screams 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.640 or gets violent or threatens to kill themselves during arguments, 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.960 you might find yourself expecting that from anyone else that 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.960 you date, even if they've never displayed that kind of behavior. 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:26.960 And if you've watched an in the bag sheer thing 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.960 presidential election collapse and usher in a new era of 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.719 fascist political capture in your country. Well, you might see 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.800 that kind of thing happening and expect it whenever the 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:40.919 polls open up again. The tricky part of actually predicting 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.279 the future with any accuracy, which is a thing that 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.960 I have been both professionally successful at and personally bad 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:52.000 at doing, is balancing your normalcy bias with your catastrophizing. 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.760 This is easier said than done, and I have noticed 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.160 that my effort to reach this state has produced some 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.919 peculiar cognitive effects of late. In the six months that 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.800 led up to the first presidential debate, I felt constant 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:07.279 growing anxiety about a second Trump term. Only some of 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.880 my anxiety was based on polling, which didn't look great 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:13.520 for Biden, but wasn't apocalyptic either. I was anxious because 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.560 I saw so many people around me, and I'm not 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.080 talking about folks on Twitter, but in the real world, go, well, 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.960 obviously Biden's gotta win, there's no way Trump gets elected again, 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.480 and then go about their day. Then the debate happened. 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.080 Joe went on stage, barely able to speak at a 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.800 legible volume, coughing slurring his words and dropping into tangents 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:34.840 rather than making cogent cases to the country. Everyone around 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.360 me started to get terrified all at once, and the 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.160 mainstream media did what it does and pivoted to round 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.120 the clock coverage of the issue of Biden's competency. You know, 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.080 some people have alleged that this is because the media 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.320 has some sort of an agenda here, and I really 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.840 don't credit the media, as someone who has spent his 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.480 life working adjacent to the mainstream media with that kind 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.840 of capacity to plan. What these people, what these reporters, 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.400 what these news organs were doing was pivoting to the 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.280 issue that was doing the most to raise our collective 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.840 blood pressure, because, among other things, that's what social media 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.560 has trained them to do, because that's where the fucking 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.040 money is, right, you know, not that this issue didn't 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.960 exist before that. If it bleeds, it leads has been 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.760 a long time axiom in the field. But that's what's 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:23.720 happening here too, right, And because the money is in 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.280 saying and talking about the things that gets people's blood 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.480 pumping the most. The question of is Joe Biden doomed 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.680 soon yielded to is democracy doomed? As analysts and pundits 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.160 started hyping up Project twenty twenty five, a blueprint for 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.560 fascist takeover of the US published by the Heritage Foundation 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.840 last year. Now, I am not a polster, and I 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.080 don't claim debase any of what I say next on 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:51.280 some kind of mathematic expertise. But I don't think we're doomed. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.559 I don't think fascist takeover is inevitable, even in the 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.480 likely event that Biden loses, and I think our position 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.520 is a lot stronger than most people realize. This is 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:04.200 why right wing influencers and strategists have started going so 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.560 hard on rhetoric that makes them sound like fucking Cobra commander. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.720 The best example of how mask off the fascist right 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.320 has gotten is Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation, 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:16.960 who said this during a recent press conference. 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:22.360 The reason that so many anchors on MSNBC, for example, 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.960 are losing their minds daily is because our side is winning. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.640 And so I come full circle in this response and 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.080 just want to encourage you with some substance that we 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.040 are in the process of the Second American Revolution, which 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.640 will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be. 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.480 Another of these guys is Jack Pisobic, a former Navy 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:46.800 intelligence officer turned supplement salesman and fascist political philosopher. Jack 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.680 spoke on a panel hosted by Steve Bannon for Seapak 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.920 where he said this, but I just. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.920 Wanted to say, welcome to the end of democracy. We're 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:57.800 here to overthrow it completely. We didn't get all the 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:01.920 way there on January sixth, but endeavor to get rid 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.920 of it and replace it with this right here, will 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:05.760 replace it with this. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:06.880 Amen. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.400 Now I should note, folks, when he says this right here, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.400 he's holding up a cross necklace on a change. Jack's 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.320 not a subtle man, but he does speak for a 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:19.680 frighteningly large and influential block of Republicans. Both of these 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.280 guys are end results of eighty years of conspiracy theories 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.560 and hate speech funded by generations of wealthy businessmen and 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:30.160 their fail sons, and at this point fail grandsons. The 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.199 mainstream media and most voters in this country did their 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.720 best to ignore these guys for far too long. Now 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.840 they're pounding on the doors to the halls of power, 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.280 mouths watering, Dick's hard guns loaded, and people are freaking out. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.800 Biden's poor debate performance and the minor civil war within 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.720 the Democratic Party over whether he should remain the candidate 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.400 has zeroed a magnifying glass on these people now. Obviously, 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.240 Jack and his fellow fascists have been poking on the 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.600 fringes of the American right four years. There nothing they're 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.240 saying is new, but Trump's likely victory in the Supreme 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.360 Court's recent ruling on executive immunity have led a lot 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.360 of people to conclude that Project twenty twenty five is 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:13.120 Trump's plan to execute as soon as he takes office. 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.040 This is something guys like Pasobac and Roberts want you 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:21.120 to believe because they want you terrified, hiding, shrieking away 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.600 from confrontation. Like all fascists, they have an instinctive understanding 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.840 that if they can just convince you that the fight 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.600 is already lost, they win. This is why Jack has 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.560 spent the last two weeks since the debate quote tweeting 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.120 every left wing media person he can find and saying 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.880 six months to insinuate they'll be dead or in camps 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:46.120 after Trump's inevitable victory. He wants you to panic. Jack 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.680 is a veteran, and while he was not a great soldier, 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:52.120 he is familiar with some very basic concepts of military strategy. 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:54.240 One of them that I bring up often because I 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.760 think it illustrates something important is the ODE loop. This 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.320 is the process by which people make decisions and act 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:04.040 in combat situations, and it stands for the different stages 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:08.480 of this process are observe, orient, decide, act. If you 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.920 can disrupt any part of the ODA loop, you can 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.520 stop an opponent from taking effective action, from deciding, or 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.840 from carrying out their actions. Jack and his peers want 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.719 you to panic. They want you to make plans to 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:21.920 leave the country, to go to ground, to hide all 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.360 evidence of your political sympathies. Ideally, and I don't make 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.760 this allegation likely, he wants you to commit suicide. He 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.160 wants you to feel hopeless. He wants you to believe 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.439 that nothing matters any longer, because what matters most to 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.160 him is that you and people like you are out 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.360 of the picture. You know, either dead or so scared 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.520 that you are disrupted from acting in any concerted way 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:48.000 against him and his friends. Now, my job, as a 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.640 semi professional Cassandra, and as a guy who reports in 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.560 the far right, is to tell you this. A Trump 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:58.440 dictatorship is not inevitable. These fucks are weaker than they look, 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:12.040 and we will talk about all that after some ads. 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.840 We're back now. I am not primarily an election guy, 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.800 and my work has never focused on the horse race stuff. 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.160 The polls are bad for Biden, and I have no 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.719 interest in trying to delude anyone to thinking this's all 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.000 some big nationwide polling error. The only thing I will 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.560 say about the Democratic Party's actual electoral chances is to 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.480 note gently that online discourse has somewhat inflated the polling 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.440 fallout from the debate. Trump is now the odds on 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.720 bet but if you average the swing state polls, he 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.280 and Biden are generally within the margin of error pretty 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.079 much everywhere. Now you're going to get a different analysis 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.720 depending on which pole expert you trust. The new guys 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.920 at five thirty eight still have it mostly as a 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.280 coin flip, although one that slightly favors Trump. Nate Silver 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.440 himself gives Biden under a thirty percent chance, which is 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:01.480 terrible and also about where Trump was November of twenty sixteen, 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.360 and we all do know how that election ended. People 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.920 are often very bad at understanding probabilities, but saying he's 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.560 got a twenty nine percent chance of winning doesn't mean 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.280 it's impossible for him to win. Right. The situation is serious, 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.560 but the future is not written, and you should remember that, 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.760 for good and for ill, the final results of this 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.640 whole thing will come down probably to one hundred thousand 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.240 voters or so in five or six states. Now, it's 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.120 also worth me saying this. Both of these candidates are 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.680 old men, and statistically it would not be unheard of 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.080 or weird if one of them was dead before the election. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.880 Joe Biden could still lose in a palace coup from 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.000 the rest of his party and get replaced. Anything can happen, 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:47.960 and in US politics it often does. Hey, everyone, Robert here. 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.920 Two days after I wrote this, something happened. There was 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:55.160 an assassination attempt against former President Trump. I am recording 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.480 this a couple of hours after it happened. A lot 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.320 is unclear at the moment than that somebody shot at him. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.119 It looks like he was wounded with from glass shrapnel 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.120 when the teleprompter is hit. That Secret Service is currently 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.800 claiming a shooter appears to have been outside the venue 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.680 on a roof. Not much more I can say at 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.520 this point. I will note again, there's a lot of 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.640 catastrophizing going on, people saying like, oh, this means he's 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.520 definitely going to win reelection. When Reagan got shot that 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:26.360 Trump you know, rocketed him to a reelection victory. You know, 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.359 that's possible, that could be what happens here. That's definitely 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.400 a solid case to be made for that. That's what 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.600 happened with Reagan, But that's not always what happens when 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:39.120 there are assassination attempts against sitting or former presidents. On 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:43.440 September twenty second, nineteen seventy five, Sarah Jane Moore, a 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:47.880 member of the Manson family cult, attempted to assassinate President 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:52.119 Ford with a thirty eight revolver. He did not win reelection. 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.400 So you know, that's just as a note like sometimes 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.040 what happens it's impossible to say what's going to happen 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:03.600 with this, But if you're looking to past us history 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:07.200 for president, you're still kind of in a situation where, well, 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.840 really unclear what's going to go down. Now that's all 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.040 the Horse Ray stuff I'm gonna subject you to. We 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.440 are now going to move forward with the rest of 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:19.480 this episode trying to answer this question what happens if 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.200 Trump wins, and I'm going to give you some very 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.360 good reasons not to freak the fuck out. The first 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.720 has to do with Project twenty twenty five. In short, 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.280 this Heritage Foundation document maps out a path to place 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.760 the whole federal bureaucracy under President Trump's control, effectively ending 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.760 separation of church and state, utilizing law enforcement to go 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:44.200 after dissidents, making recreational sets illegal, and criminalizing daily life 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.280 for millions of LGBT Americans. In short, it is a 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.680 roadmap to Christian dictatorship. Now, I'm not going to tell 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.520 you you shouldn't find this chilling, but let's be clear 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.120 about what Project twenty twenty five is. It is a 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.920 nine hundred page document written by a think tank that 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.440 has lost a lot of its influence and access to 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:05.680 power over the last ten years. The Heritage Foundation was once, 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.400 as Molly Ball described in an article for The Atlantic, 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.639 the intellectual backbone of the conservative movement. But during the 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.040 Obama years, the tremendous influence of the Heritage Foundation started 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.440 to get pruned back by establishment Republicans because it became 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.639 clear that in a lot of ways these guys were 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.200 dangerously out of step with voters and kind of hard 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.280 to work with. The pullback actually began in twenty fourteen, 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.200 when the Heritage Foundation was suddenly banned from the Republican's 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.080 Study Committee Retreat over a conflict around a farm bill. Now, 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.520 the think tank remained influential, but its decline accelerated after 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.159 Trump took office. Some of this was the result of 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.320 the fact that conservative tanks have seen a general decline 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.480 in influence from the good old days, the height of 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.000 their power. The Republican Party has won the popular vote 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.680 in exactly one election this century, and as of twenty 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.400 twenty two, we have seen them go through two disastrous 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:58.600 midterm elections in a row and one disastrous, losing presidential election. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.000 An interesting piece of reporting on the Heritage Foundations decline 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.960 from twenty twenty two by the Washington Posts Jeff Stein 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:10.000 and Yagana Torbati. They quote one conservative on Capitol Hill 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.639 as saying, people do not walk around in fear of 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.880 the Heritage Foundation the way they did ten years ago. 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.359 And the main reason why is because Trump and the 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.760 people around him were gaining a lot more influence. Right 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.399 These old think tankers just didn't hold the juice that 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.920 they used to now. That article was published in response 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.000 to a switch in leadership for the think tank, which 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.800 is how Kevin Roberts wound up in the position he occupies, 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.280 and why the Heritage Foundation pivoted from focusing on economic 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.000 concerns to shit like stoking panic over the existence of 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.560 trans people, critical race theory, all the culture war stuff 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:45.199 that we have been bombarded with now for years. This 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.200 is shit that fires up a chunk of the Republican base, 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.200 but the last three election cycles have shown it's dog 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.960 shit at getting regular Americans on board, because regular Americans 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:56.920 look at this stuff and go while these people are 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.639 fucking out of their minds. I think the near around 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:04.560 Project twenty twenty five is potentially useful. It has the 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.840 potential to line a lot of voters up, and crucially 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.880 not for Joe Biden or for the Democrats, but against 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.080 a Republican party that has almost entirely yielded to the 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.280 fascists in its midst But I also see a lot 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.000 of people describing Project twenty twenty five as Trump's plan 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.480 for when he takes office, and that's just not what 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.800 it is. These people will note that a lot of 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.000 former Trump people have worked for the Heritage Foundation, to 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.480 which I say, he hates a lot of the people 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.959 who worked with him the last administration around this is 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.879 very common knowledge. Some people will also point out recently 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.640 unearthed video of the director of Project twenty twenty five 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.280 back in twenty twenty three telling a right wing podcaster 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.480 that Trump was very bought in with Project twenty twenty five. 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.280 And maybe that's true, but I don't feel like you 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:55.119 should necessarily believe this guy isn't just tooting his own horn. Now. 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.240 That kind of belief, though, does merge with statements you'll 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:02.040 see from prominent p aggressive media figures, people like Chris Hayes, 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.880 who recently tweeted a big reason Project twenty twenty five 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.560 is so salient is because the actual Trump campaign has 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:11.000 essentially zero policy apparatus and the platform is just Trump 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:15.479 social posts strung together. Now, I like Chris, and I 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.320 agree that it is important to set the stakes here 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.120 for voters and to talk about Project twenty twenty five 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:25.080 because it's fucked up and we should do something about 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.280 the fact that these people feel confident putting out open 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:33.080 plans to in democracy and institute a Christian nationalist dictatorship. 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:37.520 But what Chris says is not strictly accurate because Trump 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.520 has a platform and it might have been influenced by 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.199 Project twenty twenty five. I think it probably was. But 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.280 his platform is called Agenda forty seven, and we have 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.160 covered it on It could happen here our daily news program. 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.560 This is something you should care about Trump. In his 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:57.400 Agenda forty seven plans, Trump advocates for mass deportations of migrants, 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.680 for an attack on the legal rights of the press, 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:03.159 and the imprisonment of his political enemies. He threatens the 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.320 use of special forces and air strikes against cartels on 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:09.760 Mexico's sovereign soil. There's a lot of crazy shit in 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:13.239 Agenda forty seven. This is very serious stuff, and it 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:16.960 is crucially the stuff Donald Trump has promised to do 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:20.399 if he gets elected. Now, a few days before I 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:23.280 wrote this, the former president took to truth Social to 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.480 officially disavow Project twenty twenty five. Now, do I think 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:29.639 he's lying? Do I think he was aware of it? 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:31.680 Do I think he cribbed some of it for Agenda 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.720 forty seven. Yeah, he's Donald Trump. He lies all the 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.840 fucking time. But I do think it's noteworthy that he 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:42.040 feels a need to publicly and vociferously disavow Project twenty 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.720 twenty five. And this is part of a general split 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.560 between Trump and the faction of the party who want 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:51.440 a strong man dictator type but who aren't Christian nationalists, 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:55.480 and the chunk who are. This is a natural cleavage, 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:57.679 and we can see further evidence of this in the 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.720 fact that, thanks to Trump's intercession, for the first time 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:03.480 in quite a while, the Republican Party platform does not 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.399 call for a national ban on abortion. And if you 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.400 watch Trump during the debate, you can tell he's uncomfortable 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.840 taking the standard right wing light on this because Trump 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:14.960 is not a conservative Christian and doesn't really give a 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:18.439 shit about abortion. He also knows it's not a vote winner. 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.720 You know, he can't entirely push back on the party 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:24.480 on this, but he's clearly not motivated to do so. 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.439 Now does this mean Trump wouldn't sign such a ban 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.159 into law. Now, of course not. But it means he 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:33.000 understands that while the Jack Posobics of the world have 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.320 their use to him, he needs a lot of votes 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:39.840 from people who rightly see those Republicans as scary if 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:43.320 Trump does take power again. These natural cleavages will become 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:46.000 more pronounced, and Trump will also have to wield power 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.640 in a severely divided country that does not like him 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:52.119 or his policies. One thing that nearly all recent polling 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:55.199 has made clear is that Biden's historic unpopularity has not 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.679 made Trump more popular. Poles generally show a ceiling of 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:01.440 around forty two percent the country who like the guy, 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.399 and that ceiling is remarkably stable. There is also evidence 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:08.200 that the sudden media focus on Project twenty twenty five 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.679 and the fact that Republicans are actively planning to in 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:14.600 democracy has cut into Trump's support. Right before I finished 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.920 this episode, on Thursday, July eleventh, IPSOS published a poll 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:20.679 showing Trump down a point from their last poll taken 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:23.240 after the debate, which put him in Biden close to 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:25.760 a tie. Now, this still isn't great for Biden because 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:28.560 they all writes this election should not be close. But 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.359 I think a lot of people have made the mistake 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.639 of conflating disgust for Biden with surging support for Trump, 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:36.640 and that just is not what we're seeing. More evidence 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.399 for this comes from a recent ABC Your Voice poll, 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.400 which showed fifty percent of the country having an unfavorable 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.760 opinion of Biden and fifty nine percent having an unfavorable 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:48.440 opinion of Trump. Part of why so many of these 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:51.240 outright fascists have gone mask off is that they see 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:54.119 these numbers too. They know that this moment right now 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:57.320 is their best shot, maybe ever, at taking this country, 0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:00.280 crushing their enemies and inflicting the pain that it is 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:03.880 their only purpose in life to inflict. And they might win, 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:06.840 They might get to do that. The Heritage Foundation is 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.280 not at the heart of the Trump campaign, but any 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.280 step closer to total power for these people should ring 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:15.080 alarm bells in every heart and head in this country. 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:19.560 Yet the severity of the situation does not change this 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:24.399 absolutely crucial fact. The fascists snow the wind is no 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:27.080 longer at their backs, and I'm going to talk about 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:41.080 that when we come back from this ad break. Despite 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.960 how confident the Trump campaign and guys like Jack Pisobac 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.879 are talking right now about their chances of winning, of 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:52.200 dominating the government, of taking control of America for generations, 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:55.680 and purging the left, the reality is that their position 0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:59.880 is not nearly as stable as it seems. And part 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:01.840 why I think a lot of folks buy into a 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:03.960 lot of folks on the left in liberals buy into 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:06.439 the claims that the right is making right now about 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:10.879 their guaranteed victory, about their looming inevitable victory. Is that 0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:14.040 Americans tend to be pretty self centered when it comes 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:17.560 to politics, and it is understandable that this nail bier 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.840 of an election in Joe Biden's calamitist debate performance has 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:24.000 people here feeling doomed and feeling like a new fascist 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:27.040 world order is inevitable. If you feel that way, though, 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:30.920 I urge you to look around the world. Look to India, 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:35.359 where authoritarian near dictator Narindra Modi was just dealt a 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:39.480 startling setback in the Indian general election. His party, the BJP, 0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:41.920 failed to win a majority for the first time since 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.760 twenty fourteen. Now, this is not the end of Modi, 0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:47.520 but it is a shocking sign of where the wind 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:50.960 is blowing and the backlash that has started to form 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:54.720 against the far right worldwide. In the UK, the Labor 0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:58.560 Party just won a landslide election against the Conservatives, tapping 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.399 it into more than a dozen years of conservative power. 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:04.880 And in France, the snap election called by President Emmanuel 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:08.399 Macron inspired the creation of a popular left wing front 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:12.119 against the far right, which defeated the far right in 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:16.080 another historic election. Among other things, this new left alliance 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:19.320 has promised to recognize the state of Palestine and increased 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:23.600 support for Ukrainian resistance to Russia's invasion. I could go 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:26.919 on Turkey's all but dictator President Erduwan has been bleeding 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:30.400 support for years now and recently suffered a massive setback 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:34.400 in regional elections around the country. The opposition Republican People's 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:37.080 Party took the five largest cities in the country in 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:40.840 an upset vote, including the capital Istanbul, where Odouin's party 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:44.840 had invested massive resources. Now, these upsets in India and 0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:48.240 Turkey are so worth discussing because both countries are years 0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.600 into their own version of the nightmare scenario that Donald 0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:55.639 Trump Season two represents. Right, they voted their fascists into power. 0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:59.240 These guys took control of the courts, imprisoned dissidents, harnessed 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:03.119 civil violence for political gain. And yet even with all that, 0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:07.080 even with all the power available to a modern security state, 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:10.360 their hold on power is slipping. Just as I read 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:14.800 these words. For many years, neo Nazi activists sought to 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:18.320 influence and build support within the Republican Party and talked 0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:21.160 about hiding their power level as they did so. Now, 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.320 this is a term they cribbed from dragon ball Z, 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:25.919 and it means, in essence, pretending not to be a 0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.479 crazy ass fascist in order to get enough support from 0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.240 the normies that you can act like a crazy ass 0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:34.920 fascist with the power of the state. Well, the masks 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:38.000 are off now. Nobody is hiding their power level anymore. 0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:40.080 And I am not so arrogant as to claim that 0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.800 I know that their defeat is around the corner. But 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.440 I will tell you one thing. This is a make 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:48.240 or break moment for the sons of bitches. If they 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:51.840 fail now, they will find themselves exposed in a country 0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:54.840 that knows precisely who and what they are. And this 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:58.040 means we will have the opportunity to destroy them. Now 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:00.280 how would we do that? Well, first, if I'm not 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:02.840 going to give you a detailed, perfect roadmap for how 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:05.760 you can participate in this and how we can easily 0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.399 destroy the fascists, and the next you know, five or 0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:11.679 six minutes of a podcast. But I do have some theories. 0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.679 I will elaborate on them more in subsequent episodes. And 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:18.760 I want to emphasize right now that this is possible 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:22.000 because the cultural power of the far right, which seems 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:25.800 so mighty right now, actually does rest on a house 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:29.679 of cards. The Republican Party today is funded primarily by 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:32.600 a coalition of car dealers who donate more than any 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.000 other profession because their job depends on being able to 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:41.840 scam consumers, multi level marketing corporations, supplement sales, affiliate marketing, megachurches, 0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:44.160 and of course are old friends in the oil and 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:48.320 gas industry. And there's a lot of ways to attack 0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.240 these different pillars of right wing power, these people who 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:54.400 are actually funding their media operations, who are funding a 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:57.120 lot of these more radical candidates, and who are lobbying 0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:00.360 for changes in laws that hurt you and help them. 0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:01.760 And again, I'm not going to be able to give 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:04.680 a comprehensive list of how you go about dismantling all 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.160 of this. It is a formidable task, but you could 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:08.760 do a lot of damage to the power of the 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:12.360 far right by regulating car sales and punishing dealers who 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.400 scam consumers, which is close to one hundred percent of dealers. 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.640 You can ban the sale of unregulated supplements marketed as 0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.600 medical treatments, a thing that should be illegal, but effectively 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.720 as not. You can ban pyramid schemes and prosecute the 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.400 criminals who have made fortunes off of them. These are 0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:30.920 counterattacks that will improve daily life for huge numbers of 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:34.320 voters and do functional damage to the right's ability to 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:38.520 move and maneuver. Now, I don't mean to suggest that 0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:41.200 the only way to move on any of those issues 0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.800 is just to vote right. Democrats have had decades to 0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.240 fight back against this shit, and they have failed by 0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.680 nearly every measure. But we have the potential of a 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:51.960 general strike coming up in twenty twenty eight if the 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:55.320 UAW has their way, and the catastrophic failure of the 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.240 Democratic Party in this election has I think created some 0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:01.680 space for new kinds of o organizing. The last point 0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:04.080 I want to leave you with is one more piece 0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:07.240 of evidence that the juggernaut hurtling towards us is not 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.640 so hail and hardy as it seems. In April of 0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.600 this year, The Atlantic published an article based on analytics 0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.440 of the most popular right wing news websites in the country. 0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:20.080 They wrote, this past February, readership of the ten largest 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:23.480 conservative websites was down forty percent compared with the same 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:26.520 month in twenty twenty. According to The Rtening, a newsletter 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:30.120 that uses monthly data from Commscore, essentially the Nielsen ratings 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.920 of the Internet, to track right wing media. Some of 0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:34.920 the bigger names in the field that have have been 0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:38.120 pummeled the hardest. The Daily Caller lost fifty seven percent 0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:41.560 of its audience, Drudge Report, the granddaddy of conservative aggregation, 0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:45.080 was down eighty one percent, and The Federalist, founded just 0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:49.240 over a decade ago, lost a staggering ninety one percent. Now, 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:53.040 these numbers are startlingly consistent across right wing media, and 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.800 they are vastly worse than what liberal and left leaning 0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:58.960 media has seen over the same time period. A number 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.560 of ostensibly liberals sites like The Times have seen an 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.320 increase in subscribers over the same period, and I can 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:06.680 confirm to you that here at cool Zone we have 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:09.920 more listeners and subscribers than we did in twenty twenty. Now, 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.080 should you feel like there's nothing to worry about just 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.560 because the right wing media is taking a fall, No, 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:18.120 But what this should be evidence of is that, again, 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.920 their support has always largely been built on their ability 0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.960 to generate huge amounts of money and essentially buy attention, 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.560 you know, and that's largely where guys like Ben Shapiro 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:33.440 have gotten their cultural power. And that's made Ben Shapiro 0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.480 a wealthy man, but it hasn't actually brought him a 0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:38.600 lot of people who give a shit what he has 0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:42.080 to say. The actual number of people paying attention to 0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:44.600 the scary motherfuckers that you see in these clips that 0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:48.200 spread in liberal and lefty social media is very small. 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.720 And it's very small because these people are crazy assholes 0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:54.640 who most of the folks around you, who are basically 0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:59.600 decent people, because most people are decent, fucking hate what 0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.360 we have seen here. What we are seeing here is 0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:05.360 the shattering of an illusion, and the popularity of a 0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.560 lot of right wing media was only ever an illusion, 0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:10.720 popped up by an infusion of cash from billionaire fail 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:13.640 suns desperate to hold on to their money. Most people 0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:16.480 don't like or trust these folks, and the arrogance and 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.600 certainty of victory that the Trump campaign and the Sobics 0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:23.520 of the country have been showing now, well, it's caused 0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:26.760 them to expose themselves. There is precisely one thing you 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.440 can always count on from fascists and it's that they're 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:33.320 dogshit at estimating risk. Time and time again. They convince 0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:36.160 themselves that they cannot be stopped in pick fights that 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:40.080 they wind up losing. And that is perhaps the most 0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:43.120 reliable thing that we can predict from their behavior, and 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.360 maybe the most comforting thing I can tell you going 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:49.080 forward now. I also just retyped and re recorded this 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:52.520 ending in the wake of the assassination attempt against former 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.680 President Trump, and I want to talk a little bit 0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:57.240 about that before we go out, because that is certainly 0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.800 potentially a game changer. You know, people saying this could 0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:02.760 shack the whole election are not wrong, but at this 0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:06.360 point far from a guarantee. As well, as I said earlier, 0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:09.960 there have been assassination attempts against sitting presidents and former 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.880 presidents that have not moved the needle in an election 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:15.160 either at least not in a really clear way in 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.680 favor of the person the attempt was against. So we 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.240 don't know how this is going to play. One thing 0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:22.520 I have seen in the immediate wake of this, within 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.600 minutes of the attempt itself and video of it going up, 0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:29.000 is liberals, I think mainly liberals, but also some people 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.240 on the left immediately being like, this is a Reichstag 0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:35.040 fire situation, this is staged, This is obviously a fake attempt. 0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:37.640 I don't see any evidence of that in the video 0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:40.200 that's out there. I do not believe this was faked. 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:44.320 I do not need a conspiracy to believe that somebody 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:47.360 would want to take a shot at former President Trump. 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:52.600 The video does not show any clear weird signs that 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.840 would make me suspect something odd was going on. One 0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:57.560 of the things that's come out it looks like the 0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:00.640 shooter was on a roof nearby, pretty clear evidence of that. 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:04.160 At this point. There are some reports from people in 0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.440 the crowd who say that they pointed out the guy 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:11.319 on the roof to police and were basically ignored. You know, 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.560 the police didn't do anything. That also does not seem 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:16.279 weird to me, and if it does to you. I 0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:18.520 want to explain something about these events because I've been 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:21.680 to a number of events during presidential campaigns with the 0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:25.280 Secret Services doing security and other kind of large scale 0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:27.080 you know, events like this where there's a lot of 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.960 different law enforcement agencies, and at all of them you 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:32.319 will see snipers on the roof. It is not hard 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.160 to find them. These guys. Some of them I assume 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:36.719 are very well camouflaged. I'm not saying I know I've 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.319 seen everyone that's around at one of these things, but 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:41.960 you see a lot of them, right, and so do 0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:45.839 the cops. Right, It's just not abnormal, And there are 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.200 always a ton of law enforcement agencies. You know, this 0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:51.680 was just another Trump rally, so relatively minor as events 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:54.160 in you know, a presidential campaign go. But you still 0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:56.879 have state and local cops. You still have at least 0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.000 the Secret Service, probably more than just the Secret Service 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.600 when it comes to federal agencies. So you know, conservatively, 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.520 at minimum, probably at least a half dozen different law 0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:10.319 enforcement agencies covering this event, right, And there's definitely going 0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:12.480 to be some people there who know where all of 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:14.880 the snipers are supposed to be, right, presumably within the 0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:17.200 Secret Service, But that is not the average cop on 0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:20.360 the ground. The average cop covering this event, especially walking 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:23.200 around doing foot patrols, does not know where federal law 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:26.640 enforcement has every single sniper set up, and they are 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:30.399 like anyway, I started this episode talking about the normalcy bias, right, Well, 0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.360 that's not just a thing that you can trip you 0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:35.680 up when you are trying to predict the future months 0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:37.840 or years in advance. It is a thing that can 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:41.080 trip you up predicting something a minute in advance. Right, 0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:44.680 you see, as a cop walking through this event, someone says, Hey, 0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:46.080 there's a guy up on the roof with a gun. Well, 0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:48.480 you've seen a half dozen guys on the roof with guns. 0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:50.720 You've been told there's a bunch of different Secret Service 0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:54.759 and DHS sniper teams up there. Maybe your agency has 0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:57.640 some guys up on the roof, you know, sharpshooters, not 0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.279 at all weird. You go, yeah, maybe you even see 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:02.360 the guy And the pictures I've seen, looks like he 0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.399 was wearing CAMA. Looks like he was wearing the kind 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:07.160 of combat gear that cops wear, but also that anyone 0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:11.239 can buy, because cops look like you know a lot 0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.800 of people who just buy this shit and do it recreationally, 0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:15.880 you know, go go shooting and training in the woods 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.239 or whatever, like a lot of It's not hard to 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.160 gain access to gear that at a glance would look 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:23.200 enough like a cop. And my guess is that this 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:27.120 guy counted on the normalcy bias. He figured my best 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.000 shot at being able to get away with this is 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.320 if I post up on a roof somewhere and assume 0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:35.040 that the cops that spot me immediately won't know right 0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:38.000 away what I am right. And that does seem to 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.279 be what happened at this moment, And you know, I 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:42.719 take that as a lot of things very unclear. This 0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.080 is going to again affect the election, but take it 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:48.480 as a warning against falling for the normalcy bias, because 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:53.120 just because something seems like it's not weird, like it's 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:56.360 not a sign of a change of something very different 0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:59.880 about to go down, doesn't mean it isn't. Yeah, you 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.280 can never trust your assumptions, and that goes both ways, 0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:04.840 with both ways with this, I am seeing a lot 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:08.279 of understandable catastrophizing. This is a terrifying thing. I am 0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.800 someone who's about to head into the RNC not thrilled 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:15.759 that this has happened. But that doesn't mean we know 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:18.000 what the fallout is going to be. It doesn't mean 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.120 we know what the reaction and the result is. I mean, 0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:23.359 for among other things, this is not necessarily fully optimistic. 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.480 But I don't know how much this moves the needle, 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.200 because I don't know how many people who can be 0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.960 convinced would be swayed by something like this for how 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.240 many people this could change their opinion on the election, 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.200 and how many people are going to believe that this 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:38.920 was real and not. You know, I've even seen people 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.440 claiming that, like, yeah, Trump bladed himself the way a 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:44.680 wrestler would. Again, I think that's all nonsense. It's just 0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:48.080 really unclear how people are going to react, right, It's 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.879 not worthless to look back to. You know, there's an 0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:54.040 attempt on Reagan to try and see and other assassination 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.160 attempts and how they've affected elections. But all of that 0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:00.359 shit happened prior to the modern era of social media. 0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.000 All of that shit happened prior to everyone's brains getting 0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:05.839 broken by the internet. So I'm not going to tell 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.320 you this is a good time. I'm not going to 0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:11.680 tell you things are chill. They the fuck aren't. But 0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:14.640 I am going to tell you the future is not written, 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:19.600 and don't panic until next time. I'm Robert Evans and 0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:21.799 this is It Could Happen Here. We'll be back later 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:38.600 this week with coverage of the Republican Convention. Welcome to 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:42.360 It Could Happen Here, a podcast about things falling apart 0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:46.080 and nothing says, things falling apart better than as many 0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:50.080 Republicans as possible jammed into as small a place as possible, 0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.000 with half of the cops in the United States of 0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:56.759 America there as well. With me is Sophie Lichterman and 0:38:56.960 --> 0:39:01.400 Garrison Davis are on the ground hoarding team for the 0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.680 Republican Convention National. 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:07.480 Wow, it's true. 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:08.240 We're here. 0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:11.760 We are at the Republican National Convention, the day after 0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:15.960 former President Donald Trump was nearly struck down by an 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:20.759 assassin's bullet. And uh, yeah, it's been a pretty fun. 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:21.239 Yeah. 0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:24.600 The vibes are great. Vibes are great. Actually, that's kind 0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:27.440 of the thing we should start with. We, I mean, 0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:30.640 the president for a president was shot yesterday, and the 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:34.759 shit online has been absolutely unhinged. And I was expecting. 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.800 I was expecting a lot, but certainly a different vibe 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:42.280 at the thing, which was I think basically the same 0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:44.560 vibe it would have had if the president hadn't been shot. 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:48.480 People were by and large not acting different. 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:53.280 Okay, so set the scene. All. We went to this red, 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:58.120 white and Brew kickoff party. 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.000 Shocking amount of free alcohol. 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:03.040 Shocking amount of free alcohol. How many people do you 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:06.160 think we're there? I don't know, thousands, That definitely thousands 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:06.640 of people. 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.120 Yeah, the not crazy crowded, but it was big. 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:11.280 The flyers said they were estimating ten to fifty thousand 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:13.200 people over the course of like five six hours. 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:14.720 Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. 0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:20.200 Trace Adkins performed and sang a song with the lyrics 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:21.560 Garrison Well. 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.040 This was actually a spoken word intro to. 0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:25.520 This was in the middle of the songs. 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:27.480 Yes, We're we were. 0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:30.759 If you haven't heard, Trace is a country music star, 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:33.279 and not a good one. I'm not sure if it 0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:37.200 was him or if it was Toby Keith that Christofferson said, 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:39.920 did the country music what pante Hoose did to finger fucking. 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:44.520 But that is the kind It's a famous line, Sophie. 0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:45.880 He's a terrible musician. 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:47.719 He just died. Anyways. 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:52.400 The line that was said was Garrison. 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:54.920 Well, he had this little preamble about how he was 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:58.160 getting really handsy with like with his nurse. 0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.080 He's sick recently. He has a nurse. She's taken great 0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:02.680 care of him and she hasn't gotten angry that he 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:04.839 keeps touching her against her. 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:10.879 Getting really handsy, and she would actually press charges if 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:13.920 they weren't married, which is the punchline, ha. 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.719 Ha ha ha is that is that and that was 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:18.920 kind of the energy of the entire event. 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:22.400 So just raping your wife not even a joke, just 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:26.240 like just like a celebratory statement. As we are walking 0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:28.440 around a crowd of like, yeah, at least five. 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:33.400 Thous we walk into this event and there are like 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:39.839 balloon wavy noodle guys inflatable arm flame a US car dealerships. 0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:41.440 Never seen that many of them in one place. 0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:46.879 Yeah, And then there's there's there's women on platforms. 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:50.400 So there's a red carpet and all fifty state flags 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.839 are lining it, and periodically in between the flags there 0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:56.520 are plints where there are what would we used to 0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:59.279 call booth babes, which is, if you would go to 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:01.839 like E three would was the video game convention, there 0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:05.080 would be scantly clad women. Car conventions do the same thing. 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:07.880 Cees used to do this too, women wearing very little 0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:11.320 who are there to like stand next to products or whatever. 0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:14.279 In this case, they were just mostly naked women. 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.120 Dancing and waving at people. They came in and one 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:19.280 of them winked at me, thank you so much. 0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:21.520 I hope she had a fine night me too. 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.480 We did not I hope she got paid more than 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:25.560 we're getting paid. 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.160 Almost no way, not fastly. Because I have asked a 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:31.400 couple of different service industry people, including Uber drivers tonight, 0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:34.360 how are the tips, And everyone said, dog shit, Yeah, 0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:36.600 nobody's been happy with the tips. 0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:41.600 Yeah. And it took us quite a while to actually 0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:45.560 get to this place because of all the different security 0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:51.720 checkpoints and roadblocks and just the absolute chaotic, unhinged amount 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:52.840 of out of town cops. 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:54.200 And this is not just the R and C. If 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:56.600 you've never been to a political convention, you will be 0:42:56.680 --> 0:43:00.600 in whatever city this year. It's the RNC is in Milwaukee, 0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:02.440 and the DNC is going to beat Chicago. But whatever 0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:06.240 city it's in, you will run into LAPD cops, Dallas cops, 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:08.520 like every cops from every part of the country, in 0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:14.600 addition to secret Service, FBI, homeland security investigations, like all, like, 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:16.439 all of the kinds of cops are here. 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:17.000 Correct. 0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:19.640 The most interesting kind of cop that I've seen a 0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:24.080 great a great number of is US Capitol police cops. 0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:25.200 A lot of Capitol police. 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.319 Here, which is just a little bit funny considering what 0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:30.480 happened like uh, just about four years ago. 0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:32.800 This crowd assaulted Capitol Police Office. 0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:35.160 It's kind of an odd dynamic because you have like 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:38.480 these Capitol police here, you know, priding security essentially and 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:41.560 you know, protecting attendees to some degree. Well, there's you know, 0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:44.040 a decent chance that many of them were just engaged 0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.920 in combat with many of these same people where there 0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:50.480 was casualties on both sides, just which is just a 0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:52.359 kind of an odd dynamic that you don't really see 0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:53.040 very often. 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:59.280 Yeah, honestly, again, it's the vibes have still been pretty 0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.680 much chill for an event like this. It has not 0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:08.000 been heightened in terms of like levels of anger. We 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:10.000 did see as soon as we arrived at the airport, 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:11.920 literally the second we got to baggage, there was a 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:14.680 guy wearing a shirt with the picture of Trump with 0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:16.600 a bloody ear right after he was shot on it. 0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.040 He clearly made it last night himself. 0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:22.040 Yep, and it said the iron don. 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:25.120 The iron down. But that was kind of it in 0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:27.120 terms of maybe, you know, it's going to take a 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:29.359 little longer for there to be more shooting merch out there, 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.720 but I don't. But more than that, I just didn't 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.680 hear a lot of like we sat down, we got 0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:36.799 some food and some drinks. When we were at this big party, 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:39.040 we sat down with these two ladies who were delegates 0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:42.520 from Texas, older women. One was clearly in her eighties, 0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:44.920 one looked like she was more in her sixties. Talked 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:47.040 with them for quite a while, and they were very 0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:51.680 far right, very strong views on religious conservatism, very anti 0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:55.040 trans the older lady that I talked to. None of 0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:57.200 them said a single word about Trump getting shot. It 0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:00.279 absolutely did not come up, which I was kind of 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:00.840 surprised about it. 0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:02.760 And I got here a little bit earlier than Robert 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:05.440 and Sophie, and I was hanging out with some of 0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:09.520 the delegates from Idaho and North Dakota, and similarly, no 0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:12.120 one was talking about that. Yeah, it was, it was 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:13.240 just not mentioned. 0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:13.560 It was. 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:15.360 It was on Fox News in the background. Yeah, you 0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:18.400 could see on the TV every building. Yeah, it's constantly playing. 0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:22.120 But nobody in person seems to be thinking about it 0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:24.080 or like discussing it as like it's like a thing. 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:27.200 And possibly it's just because they've assumed that Trump is 0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:29.200 just always under this kind of attack, right, it's like 0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:32.000 the most attacked man, right, Like this isn't even like 0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:34.560 a big deal for them. This is just like realizing 0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:37.200 what they've already built up in their head. Right, So 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:39.000 I think that that could maybe just be a factor. 0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:40.840 This isn't like as impactful for them because like you know, 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:44.160 of course, like he's he's he's obviously being treated so unfairly. 0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:46.520 I think there's a lot of aim in that. The 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:48.239 only other thing I could think of maybe would be 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:50.480 that just it hasn't sunk in yet because it's so 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.160 big and so recent and everyone coming to this probably 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:56.680 like us, was just crazy busy packing and like getting 0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.319 their lives in order for this. Sure, but I think 0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:00.960 you're probably onto something with that. 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:04.319 Yeah, I mean it's not a small thing. I mean 0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.239 the people that we talked to, one of them was 0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:10.680 a delegate for the state of Texas, and they said 0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:13.000 they had to travel all the way. They got their 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:16.040 hotels in Madison. Oh, so they have to commute back 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:19.760 and forth from Madison to Milwaukee to come to this event. 0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:24.439 You know, Yeah, that is that is a long time. Yeah, 0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:28.080 speaking of ugh, you know what doesn't make me go ugh? 0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:29.760 These products and services. 0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:33.360 Yes, we are sponsored first off by Woodman's, the grocery 0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:37.520 store that won't sell you a hard liquor. Past midnight Woodman's. 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:41.840 Everyone lied to you about Wisconsin being proper alcoholics. 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:57.080 And we're back. And I have to say that the today, 0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:00.239 the scariest part of our day was going to this 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:04.160 Woodman's grocery store, which is opened twenty four hours, seven 0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:04.759 days a week. 0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:08.080 It was not walking into a crowd of ten thousand Republicans. 0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:12.319 It was, in fact, walking into Woodman's at midnight was 0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:16.680 astronomically more frightening on like existential levels. 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:20.160 It's like one of these like massive, massive, like Walmart style, 0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:23.480 but like really big Walmart style stores. They had a 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:25.000 whole isle of Maraschino. 0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:26.880 Cherries, a Marashido cherry asle. 0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:29.279 There were a shocking number. 0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:31.200 There was a fried onion aisles. 0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:33.640 There were a shocking number of like four to seven 0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:38.520 year old children leaving the stores, walking freely in and out. 0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:42.760 It was leaving this just so going somewhere, but it 0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:43.840 was that there was. 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:48.040 There was twenty five numerical aisles, plus a full like 0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:49.360 alphabetical aisle. 0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:51.600 There were so many aisles they had to switch. 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.440 From numbers would not sell us beers, and they wouldn't 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:56.920 have said credit cards either. Fascinating stuff. 0:47:57.040 --> 0:48:00.960 Anyways, you Wisconsinites think you people are alcohol I have 0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:03.839 gone there's there's nowhere that won't sell me liquor in 0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:07.120 fucking Los Angeles. You know that's a drinking city. God 0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:08.359 damn it, God damn it. 0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:08.880 Garrison. 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:11.440 What else, Well, there was also a security guy roaming 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:15.520 inside woman's do you know where? There was also security oh, 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:18.359 everywhere else, literally the entire city of Milwaukee right. 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:22.600 Now, on roofs, in the street, on bikes, on boats. 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:27.759 We knew. But well, I honestly, this is not abnormal. 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:28.080 I know. 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:31.759 I did not notice anything that I didn't recall from 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:34.520 previous conventions. It did not seem I think it just 0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:37.680 might be because there's so many there can't be more cops, 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:39.960 Like they could not have had more cops. I'm sure 0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:44.400 people are more alert. I'm sure, particularly the rooftops sniper 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:47.799 teams are under the gun right now. But I didn't 0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:50.480 notice anything more intense than usual. 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:54.000 Well, and we were talking with some other people from 0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:55.960 out of town who we were just getting rides with, 0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:58.840 and like the amount of the amount of barricades and 0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:01.839 blockades that have been put up over the course of 0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:03.520 a Sunday, like. 0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:05.080 It changes constantly. 0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:08.279 It's constantly changing which roads are blockaded. Like like earlier today 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:10.240 people could commute downtown. 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.320 That might be a little different, fairly easier. 0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:14.680 And progressively throughout the day that became much much harder, 0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:17.400 to the point where now downtown is almost like you 0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:19.120 just you just can't drive like that. Like most of 0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:22.080 downtown is just literally blocked off by the type of 0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:25.240 fence that was developed in Portland back in twenty twenty, 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:28.399 and that is covering almost all of Milwaukee's downtown right now. 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:32.480 The fence is familiar from previous conventions. I don't remember 0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:35.960 the moving blockades of streets that that actually might be. 0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:39.600 If it's not maybe if it happened the last convention, 0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:40.520 I didn't recall it. 0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:42.160 Were there any. 0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:47.400 At this party? Were there any booths or things that 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:49.280 you saw that surprised your well. 0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:53.440 There was this fifteen. There sure was Daniel Defence at 0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:55.319 the US Concealed Carry Association. 0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:57.640 A little bit of poor taste, one might say. 0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:01.880 You know what, in a way, because Daniel Defense is 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:03.800 number one, is the company that made the air fifteen 0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:07.160 that the Evaldi shooter used. If you don't know guns, 0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:10.600 the Daniel Defense is most famous to people who aren't 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:12.440 gun people. For it was the company that made the 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:15.319 gun that the Uvaldi shooter used. In general, they are 0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:18.759 like a middle high end ar company. They're not like 0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:21.120 the very nicest on the market, but they're not cheap. 0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:25.000 They're expensive guns. They're pretty well made, and they have 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:28.799 made direct kind of buy in and inroads with a 0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:31.640 lot of right wing culture war gun figures. Like they 0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:37.600 have outreached more to like fascist types than most because 0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:39.719 most big gun you go to, like SIGs Hour six 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:43.360 hour is not going to sponsor a Nazi type adjacent 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:47.480 person or a Christian nationalist gun type person because they 0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:51.040 they do big contracts, right, Like Daniel Defense has has 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:54.480 gone out on a limb with some like real assholes. 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:56.719 It's weird because they didn't used to be like that 0:50:56.800 --> 0:50:59.120 as well. Like even like five years ago, Daniel Defense 0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:02.400 was typically like one of the more apolitical, not a 0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:06.040 political but like very like less partisan gun companies. I 0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:08.800 remember when we were first talking about about like different 0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:11.600 gun brands back in like twenty twenty, it was definitely 0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:14.080 it was definitely different, and they made some small shifts 0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:14.839 in the past few years. 0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:16.560 Yeah, it may just have been that just everything was 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:18.800 a little bit less politicized than in that space. I 0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:21.239 don't I don't know if I don't know enough about 0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:23.600 the company in the back end, but I'm not surprised 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:26.160 that they were sponsoring. And you know, the thing they 0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:29.480 were sponsoring was the US Concealed Carry Association booth, which 0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:33.040 offers like insurance for people who have concealed handgun licenses 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:35.239 and the like. But they were doing a free AR 0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:39.759 fifteen giveaway, which is definitely some would say in bad 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:42.520 taste after what happened to the President. To be honest, 0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:45.040 no one would have thought about it at all. I 0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:48.359 kind of think it's like you are the people that 0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:48.759 you are. 0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:51.439 No, you know, yeah, I don't think anyone thought twice 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:52.600 about that note whatsoever. 0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:54.520 And by God, I signed up to win the guns, 0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:58.520 so me too, I did not, Ah, Sophie, we could 0:51:58.520 --> 0:51:59.640 have had an extra attempt. 0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:05.359 Sorry, not sorry. Was there anything today that you know, 0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:10.960 surprised you, or like a feeling you had that was 0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:13.640 like unexpected or anything like that. 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:13.960 Not. 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:16.839 I had a long conversation with the older lady who 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:20.360 was a delegate from Texas. We talked about because she 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:23.560 she first kind of wanted to know is press. She 0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:26.239 asked like, basically, are you liars and in a nice 0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:27.440 old lady way, right. 0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:30.640 Yes, yes, that's that's the We basically had that. 0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:33.680 We had the same conversation the table where where. 0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:35.680 I come from. You know, there's truth and there's lies, 0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:37.879 and like one one is one is real and one isn't. 0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:39.279 I was like, well, you know, I've been in a 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:43.759 lot of situations where different people have different recollections of 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:46.400 the same event, and like, I don't know because I 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:48.480 was I wasn't there like who's telling the truth? So 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:51.200 you just kind of try to gather as So we 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:54.680 got onto the subject of religion, and her attitude was 0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:57.719 that people should be free to do whatever they want 0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:01.120 to do, more or less, but they should have to 0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:04.799 admit it's bad, which was interesting as a take. I 0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:07.359 hadn't really heard that one before, where she was like, well, 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:10.160 you know, my husband likes to do stuff that's not godly, 0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:11.960 but he just says it's bad. And I don't think 0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:14.520 that gay people should be punished by the law, but 0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:17.640 I think that people should have to say that it's bad. 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:22.160 And that was that was a peculiar stance to run into. 0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:24.360 You know. Her attitude on Trump was that he was 0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:28.640 a fundamentally honest and good man. She didn't think he 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:31.040 was perfect. You know, she knows she's done some shady 0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:33.839 things because he's a businessman, right, but she thinks he's 0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:37.560 basically really good. It was interesting like hearing her kind 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:40.719 of lay some things out that way her. We talked 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:44.000 about trans issues, and she is fully convinced that little 0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:46.920 kids are getting mutilated all the time with transgender surgeries. 0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:49.080 But I asked, like, what if a twenty two year 0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:51.600 old or a twenty four year old wants to get 0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:55.760 on hormones and she or a gender you know, transition surgery, 0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:57.120 And she was like, well, adult should be able to 0:53:57.160 --> 0:54:01.960 do whatever they want, which was interesting. But yeah, you know, 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:04.440 from a lady in her eighties or whatnot. Like, we 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:10.040 had a relatively pleasant conversation even though she is clearly 0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:12.960 someone who thinks that Christianity should be the law of 0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:15.120 the land and the official religion of the state, and 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:18.640 everybody should have to acknowledge that Christians are right. That 0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:22.040 was interesting. I'm always fascinated by actually like trying to 0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:25.920 drill down with people at these events what they believe in. 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:28.360 How much of the rhetoric that like we see online 0:54:28.560 --> 0:54:31.480 is specifically transferred over to them, and when you get 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.560 right down to it, they often believe in a lot 0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:36.440 of like the heart, like you know, believe that there 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:41.120 are kids being mutilated or whatever. But also a lot 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:43.520 of the rhetoric you get around, like well we need 0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:47.560 to make it legal to believe other things isn't as 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:51.160 widely shared. Although I don't think that lady would actually 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:56.040 fight against or have any real issue with people's people 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:59.319 being criminalized for not being Christian, it's just clearly not 0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:01.440 her primary a focus either. 0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:07.120 Besides the mistrust of media and press. The conversation that 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:10.560 Gary and I had with the other woman, she was 0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:15.360 giving her version of, you know, her opinion on Roby Wade, 0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:19.480 an abortion and things like that, and one of the 0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:22.759 things she said to us was when she found out 0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:27.120 that we lived in Portland at a time, she was like, 0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:31.200 what was like living in a city with liberals? And 0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:35.280 I think that's funny and yeah. 0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:36.960 But it's like a different species to them. 0:55:37.080 --> 0:55:37.440 Yeah. 0:55:37.760 --> 0:55:40.399 I played around with saying when people would ask where 0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:43.560 I'm from, either Texas or Portland, because both of those 0:55:43.560 --> 0:55:47.000 are technically accurate, And every time I said Portland, you 0:55:47.320 --> 0:55:50.080 got it like you got a look. Every single time 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:51.920 you bring up Portland, you get a look. You can 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:56.080 definitely tell that it's a shibboleth to these people. No, 0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:56.960 it is something. 0:55:57.120 --> 0:55:59.360 It's like it's the city of the enemy, like it 0:55:59.440 --> 0:55:59.799 is like the. 0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:04.040 Rep em Yeah, and that was really interesting. The other 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:07.520 thing I noticed was just saying you were media, people's 0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:09.680 attitude changed a bit. But when we mentioned that we 0:56:09.719 --> 0:56:12.560 worked for the radio station that we worked for, I 0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:14.200 think most of them ever heard, because there's a lot 0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:16.680 of right wing talk radio that are technically co workers 0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:19.520 of ours that changed their attitudes back. And I think 0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:24.759 like radio, weirdly enough, it is register. It's actually it 0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:25.440 makes total sense. 0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:26.719 It's like a nostalgia thing, right. 0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:29.399 Yeah, it's not just said it's like radio is right 0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:33.520 wing media. Sure, the right owns, particularly talk radio. And 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:36.040 I think that when we set when you say radio, 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:38.200 when you say media, they start to think one thing. 0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:41.520 But when you say radio, that's not something that people 0:56:41.520 --> 0:56:43.360 have a negative attitude. 0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:47.960 Not tied like the coastal eleitism of like newspapers, TV channels. Yes, 0:56:49.120 --> 0:56:53.279 speaking of coastal elitism, here's these ads brought to you 0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:55.840 by companies probably based on one of the coasts, maybe 0:56:55.880 --> 0:56:57.160 not maybe a Midwest company. 0:56:57.320 --> 0:57:00.440 God, I hope not, because the Midwest again doesn't sell 0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:02.960 liquor at Woodsman's after after midnight. 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:05.520 You're twenty for our grocery store. Let us have some alcoholic? 0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:06.880 What is wrong with you people? 0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:19.000 Okay, we are back. 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:21.080 We're back. So at the end of this we are 0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:24.960 going to talk about the assassination attempt on former President Trump. 0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:28.960 More has happened since Monday, so we're going to catch 0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:31.640 you up on what we're thinking about that and kind 0:57:31.640 --> 0:57:33.720 of the conclusions that we've drawn. We wanted to talk 0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:36.440 a little bit about. One last thing are the convention, 0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:41.080 which is kind of what we're expecting for the coming days. Tomorrow, 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:44.720 there's an AI panel there is there is is. 0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:47.600 It Women in AI, Women and Democracy? 0:57:47.760 --> 0:57:48.400 Oh my God? 0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:50.120 By Microsoft? 0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:52.960 Sponsored by Microsoft, So that's going to be great. 0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:55.880 There's there's a number of other interesting panels. Unfortunately, all 0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:58.360 of the Turning Point USA panels are closed to press. 0:57:58.680 --> 0:57:59.800 Yeah, real bummer. 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:03.160 Another another event that close press is about two or 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:06.520 three times every day there is a film screening of 0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:08.240 a new Ronald Reagan movie. 0:58:08.280 --> 0:58:10.320 Start Reagan the Movie. Reagan the Movie. 0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:13.240 Starring John Voyd, which we've received some free merch for 0:58:13.680 --> 0:58:19.520 we have these wonderful hats made in totally military fine, 0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:22.120 totally chill. That's going to be showing every single day 0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:26.160 multiple times. Also closed depressed, so that's unfortunate. There's rumors 0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:28.240 and talk that Trump might make an early appearance, that 0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:30.360 he might they might try to secure the nomination a 0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:33.000 little bit early, just so he gets extra secret service 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:34.720 detailed because of weird laws. 0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:37.680 Interesting. Some of the speakers that are supposed to come 0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:49.600 are Nikky Haley, Jadie Vance, Ricky Rubio for me, Ricky 0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:52.320 and were so close. That's an NBA player from Spain. 0:58:54.360 --> 0:58:56.240 Marco Rubio suicide. 0:58:56.440 --> 0:58:59.040 I wish the Ricky Rubio from Spain was the vice 0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:00.480 president Spain's coming. 0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:01.360 He's so sorry. 0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:04.760 I guess he doesn't know much about our laws. That said, 0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:07.760 neither is jd Vance putting. 0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:09.320 Ron's gonna make an appearance. 0:59:10.120 --> 0:59:13.120 Good old Pudding Ron interesting to me, but to neither 0:59:13.160 --> 0:59:16.440 of you had any name recognition. But Ember Rose is 0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:17.280 going to speak. 0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:21.120 I don't know that bro who used to I'm at 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:22.960 the Republican Convention. I got to blend in. 0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:25.200 She used to. 0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:26.800 I don't know if she currently does, but she used 0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:29.520 to run a thing called slut walk in LA and 0:59:29.600 --> 0:59:32.800 dated Kanye West. Anyways, I guess it makes a little 0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:34.520 bit more sense when you add the Kanye West to it. 0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:35.920 But she's speaking. 0:59:37.680 --> 0:59:41.480 Used to date Kanye Ya if we were like nothing, 0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:44.760 nothing about what she's doing could surprise me now, and. 0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:50.919 Like all the Trump relatives are speaking besides Ivanka anyways, 0:59:51.160 --> 0:59:54.440 because she's not participating this time around for her kids. 0:59:54.880 --> 0:59:58.640 O good for her. Yeah, well that's good, although I 0:59:58.640 --> 1:00:00.440 don't know if she doesn't participate in enough, she might 1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:01.720 wind up on a golf course too. 1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:05.880 Wow. Dark Anyways, I'm just saying he did it speaking 1:00:05.920 --> 1:00:12.760 of that, speaking of death. Oh no, no, sorry, bad transition. Anyways, 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:17.400 It's gonna be great. Guys, super super super optimistic about it. 1:00:17.400 --> 1:00:20.640 Everyone was worried about it. It's it's it's it's pretty chill. 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:24.720 There were some protests, but the only protests were people. 1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:27.160 That were complaining that the that the that the GOP 1:00:27.520 --> 1:00:29.240 was not pro life enough. 1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:31.720 I talked about this when talking about kind of like 1:00:31.760 --> 1:00:34.800 fracture points that are already starting to appear in the GOP. 1:00:35.320 --> 1:00:38.360 One of the big ones is Trump removed mandatory national 1:00:38.400 --> 1:00:42.680 abortion ban from the Republican platform, and there were a 1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:44.920 group of people protesting out in front of the RNCA 1:00:45.080 --> 1:00:47.920 very angry about that. Ye, most of the people who 1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:49.880 I heard a couple of people talking about them, seem 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:54.040 to think they were idiots, which is interesting. Yeah, had 1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:54.840 that experience. 1:00:55.560 --> 1:00:58.120 Yeah, only protests we've seen so far as people from 1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:01.240 as people farther farther to the right on certain issues 1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:05.880 than I. Guess it won't last tip, but I will share. 1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:09.960 That kind of segues into our next discussion involving firearm. 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:12.080 So I had I had a little room mix up 1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:15.240 with the with the with another with some like North 1:01:15.360 --> 1:01:18.200 Dakota delegate because we have the same last name. So 1:01:18.200 --> 1:01:20.919 we got our room switched. So I was just sitting 1:01:20.960 --> 1:01:23.720 on my laptop working and this this guy you know, 1:01:24.000 --> 1:01:26.000 scans in it starts opening the door. It's like, oh, sorry, 1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:27.960 I didn't realize, you know, blah blah blah blah blah. 1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:29.760 We figured it out, we were both So then we 1:01:29.840 --> 1:01:31.800 got in the elevator, both to go down to the 1:01:31.800 --> 1:01:34.280 front desk, like get this sordid, And he remarks to 1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:37.080 me saying, well, I'm I'm sure glad you weren't pack. 1:01:37.160 --> 1:01:40.000 And when I when I busted in the hotel room, 1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:43.200 and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I guess, And it's just 1:01:43.280 --> 1:01:45.240 it was just a fascinating little glimpse that like that 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:47.240 was the first thing that came into his mind. Is 1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:49.760 that if someone opens your hotel room door, is that 1:01:49.800 --> 1:01:53.000 you're gonna just You're just gonna You're just gonna start blasted. 1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:54.960 Like that was that was that was like, it's like 1:01:55.000 --> 1:01:58.200 immediate thought, is that the good thing, good thing you 1:01:58.240 --> 1:02:00.640 didn't have your gun on you, And like there was 1:02:00.680 --> 1:02:03.000 just such like an assumption of that's like of like 1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:04.960 that is like the correct thing to do, Yeah, is 1:02:05.000 --> 1:02:07.320 if you see your door you start to get open, 1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:09.520 you just start fireing away. And I found that to 1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:12.840 be a really really interesting moment. Speaking of firearms. 1:02:13.120 --> 1:02:16.080 Speaking of firearms, let's talk about that dude who shot 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:20.080 the president and then got show barely and also killed 1:02:20.120 --> 1:02:23.920 that guy whose Twitter presence wasn't great. Yeah, So I 1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:25.800 want to talk about this shooting a little bit because 1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:28.240 we're we're now at the point where some stuff is 1:02:28.240 --> 1:02:32.360 started to settle out and we have it's at the 1:02:32.400 --> 1:02:34.600 point where I think it's very unlikely we are going 1:02:34.640 --> 1:02:37.360 to find much more on his social media. It would 1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:39.200 have been found by now, based on the way these 1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:42.320 things work, could be a manifesto somewhere, could be a 1:02:42.360 --> 1:02:45.560 treasure show of info somewhere, but I think something would 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:48.320 have come out about it. So my guess is this 1:02:48.520 --> 1:02:51.600 is like the Vegas shooting. If you think back Stephen 1:02:51.640 --> 1:02:53.840 Paddock shooting where he killed like seventy something people at 1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:56.520 that country music show. Something that's going to be an 1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:59.640 enigma to people for a while. And it makes a 1:02:59.680 --> 1:03:01.920 lot of sense to me. I know it makes a 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:03.680 lot of sense to you too, Garrison, and I kind 1:03:03.680 --> 1:03:05.800 of want to talk about why, because what we do 1:03:05.920 --> 1:03:08.640 know about them that is confirmed is some of their 1:03:08.680 --> 1:03:12.680 former classmates have talked depressed. Some of those classmates have 1:03:12.720 --> 1:03:17.160 said I don't recall the shooter being particularly political. There 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:19.160 are some people who said, no, he was really conservative. 1:03:19.200 --> 1:03:20.800 You know, when we would have like class debates, he 1:03:20.800 --> 1:03:22.760 would sometimes be the only guy on like the right 1:03:22.800 --> 1:03:25.160 wing side of it, you know, arguing a point or whatever. 1:03:26.120 --> 1:03:28.160 But no one seemed to say that he was like 1:03:28.840 --> 1:03:31.960 weirdly right, Like he was conservative the way that like 1:03:32.120 --> 1:03:34.160 right wing kids in a school are, but not in 1:03:34.200 --> 1:03:36.120 a way that people are like, oh, that kid's a fucking. 1:03:35.960 --> 1:03:37.280 Not see and in a way that makes you just 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:40.680 kind of like anti social, alienated because yeah. 1:03:40.760 --> 1:03:43.120 And he was not a very social kid. Some people 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:47.400 say he was bullied. Most kids are. I was, you know, bullied, 1:03:47.400 --> 1:03:50.440 so I don't know that he was exceptionally bullied. He 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:52.840 tried out once for the school rifle team, was not 1:03:53.080 --> 1:03:55.120 very good. Was so bad they didn't let him try 1:03:55.120 --> 1:03:57.040 out again, which is interesting. 1:03:57.360 --> 1:03:59.720 He wore hunting geared to class here. 1:04:00.400 --> 1:04:03.680 That's like it's like real tree camo. We're in the Midwest, 1:04:03.720 --> 1:04:05.640 Like that's not that's not uncommon. 1:04:05.360 --> 1:04:06.400 Not wildly weird. 1:04:06.760 --> 1:04:09.200 I guess he's in Pennsylvania, but still in Pennsylvania. 1:04:09.400 --> 1:04:12.840 It was nothing that really set anyone off. But it 1:04:12.920 --> 1:04:15.600 is also like all pretty conservative stuff. And just like 1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:18.640 the the gun YouTube channel who's wearing a Demolition Ranch shirt. 1:04:18.680 --> 1:04:22.760 Demolition Ranches probably the largest gun YouTube channel. They are 1:04:22.760 --> 1:04:28.080 effectively like a media company, like they're a small media empire, 1:04:28.600 --> 1:04:32.400 but they're also you know, they're definitely conservative. Some of 1:04:32.440 --> 1:04:34.640 the guys who work at that company you can tell 1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:39.919 associate with further right guys. But the video they go, Yeah, 1:04:40.320 --> 1:04:44.720 they their videos are relatively free of politics because they're 1:04:44.720 --> 1:04:47.400 big enough that that's bad for their business, right. 1:04:47.400 --> 1:04:50.440 Really they don't indulge in like partisan politics or like 1:04:50.440 --> 1:04:51.240 political opinion. 1:04:51.360 --> 1:04:51.560 It is. 1:04:51.640 --> 1:04:53.280 It's not like there are guys like a there's a 1:04:53.280 --> 1:04:55.240 guy like named Lewis Botkin who does a lot of 1:04:55.320 --> 1:04:57.919 videos where he will be doing like literally assassination drills 1:04:57.920 --> 1:05:00.880 where he's basically planning to like murder people in their cars. 1:05:01.600 --> 1:05:03.320 Or people who you know, pepper their videos with like 1:05:03.360 --> 1:05:05.240 anti trans joke rights, which we're seeing. 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:07.720 Lots more of. Is this was not that, And I'm 1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:09.560 not saying that. Some people on Twitter when I bring 1:05:09.560 --> 1:05:11.280 this up get like angry, being like you're trying to 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:14.680 protect the concern. No, I don't care about that. I'm 1:05:14.720 --> 1:05:16.800 just saying, this isn't the shirt you wear if you 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:19.000 want to signal that you're like far right. This is 1:05:19.000 --> 1:05:21.520 the shirt you wear if you're kind of into guns 1:05:21.520 --> 1:05:24.200 but maybe not very good with them, right, Like, it's 1:05:24.280 --> 1:05:28.120 just kind of yes, yes, it means about as much 1:05:28.160 --> 1:05:30.360 as a guy wearing a John Wick t shirt, right 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:33.040 like that that is kind of the level of that 1:05:33.040 --> 1:05:36.280 that like of what that implies more or less. So 1:05:37.320 --> 1:05:41.120 I guess kind of where we're standing is when we 1:05:41.200 --> 1:05:44.680 think about why he did this and that's the question 1:05:44.720 --> 1:05:50.280 everybody's kind of asking. I don't get the feeling that 1:05:50.360 --> 1:05:55.000 this guy was motivated by what most people call politics. 1:05:55.040 --> 1:05:57.200 I think he was a guy who was certainly more 1:05:58.080 --> 1:06:00.680 on the conservative end of things. I don't get the 1:06:00.760 --> 1:06:03.520 hint that he thought Trump was a dictator he needed 1:06:03.520 --> 1:06:05.840 to stop. I don't get the hint he may have 1:06:05.880 --> 1:06:08.280 been an accelerationist and that he thought that this would 1:06:08.320 --> 1:06:11.840 push some sort of civil war to completion, and you 1:06:11.840 --> 1:06:13.560 know that that would go well for the right. That's 1:06:13.600 --> 1:06:16.080 not impossible, but I haven't seen any evidence of that. 1:06:16.240 --> 1:06:19.600 The most interesting that you said to me about it, Robert, 1:06:19.640 --> 1:06:21.640 and I think Gary, you also said the same thing 1:06:21.640 --> 1:06:26.160 as like he was local, this was local, it was convenient. 1:06:26.880 --> 1:06:30.520 I think the feeling I get is that if Biden 1:06:30.560 --> 1:06:32.400 had showed up, he would have taken a shot at Biden. 1:06:32.560 --> 1:06:34.360 Now, I think that the model that we can look 1:06:34.400 --> 1:06:36.880 at this is the same model people have used for 1:06:37.040 --> 1:06:39.400 a lot of school shootings. There is a degree of 1:06:39.400 --> 1:06:42.720 like apathetic, a degree of just like suicidal action, and 1:06:42.800 --> 1:06:45.360 a degree of wanting to make some kind of impact, 1:06:45.400 --> 1:06:47.800 wanting to do some kind of thing that gains a 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:52.680 sense of like infamy and school shooting simply just don't 1:06:52.680 --> 1:06:54.520 do that anymore. Mass shootings don't really do that anymore. 1:06:54.760 --> 1:06:56.880 You could kill five or six people, ten people at 1:06:56.880 --> 1:06:58.439 a grocery store, it doesn't move the needle. 1:06:58.520 --> 1:07:00.640 I believe there's a decent chance based on kind of 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:05.080 the very like unpolitical online presence this guy has had, 1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:07.880 including from his Discord account, there's just simply no evidence 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:10.360 he was like he had any kind of real political motivation, 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:13.520 and instead all of what we've heard about his behavior 1:07:13.560 --> 1:07:17.200 and his politics seemed just way more similar to the 1:07:17.200 --> 1:07:21.600 profiles of mass shooters. And this I think the Trump 1:07:21.640 --> 1:07:25.480 thing was was a convenient was a measure of convenience 1:07:25.480 --> 1:07:27.680 having this happened in your hometown. I think it possibly 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:29.800 could be just as likely if Joe Biden was doing 1:07:29.800 --> 1:07:32.320 a role, he might have tried the same thing. I 1:07:32.360 --> 1:07:35.520 don't think this was any more politically targeted than that, 1:07:35.560 --> 1:07:37.440 because we simply don't have any evidence to suggest that, 1:07:37.480 --> 1:07:40.840 and the few evidence we do have matches up with 1:07:40.960 --> 1:07:43.800 a lot of the profiles of these older kind of 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:46.240 like more like Columbine style mass shootings. 1:07:46.640 --> 1:07:50.360 This seems like a Columnbiner more than anything Columbine. There's 1:07:50.360 --> 1:07:54.160 been well over one hundred different mass shootings inspired by 1:07:54.200 --> 1:07:58.920 that mass shooting, and the thing overwhelmingly that occurs to 1:07:58.920 --> 1:08:00.880 me just with what we get oft this kid is. 1:08:01.000 --> 1:08:03.360 I would if I had to describe his politics as 1:08:03.440 --> 1:08:07.480 relates to the shooting. It's not he's a right winger 1:08:07.600 --> 1:08:12.160 or a left winger. His politics are he's a mass shooter, yes, right. 1:08:12.560 --> 1:08:15.440 This is a guy who worships the probably did to 1:08:15.480 --> 1:08:18.600 some extent, was obsessed with the aesthetics of mass shootings. 1:08:19.080 --> 1:08:21.520 This was a guy who wanted, yeah, to be famous, 1:08:22.200 --> 1:08:26.280 and he saw an opportunity to do it in a place. 1:08:26.000 --> 1:08:29.040 Where he wanted books was the only way. 1:08:29.320 --> 1:08:31.640 And he did. He'll be in him, you know, And 1:08:32.360 --> 1:08:36.040 I'm interested in what that means because we had a way. 1:08:36.120 --> 1:08:38.719 We've had a wave for years of people doing mass 1:08:38.720 --> 1:08:41.080 shootings in public places because it used to get you 1:08:41.160 --> 1:08:45.160 into the history books. Not anymore, not anymore. This kid 1:08:45.320 --> 1:08:48.680 is in the history books now, And I kind of 1:08:48.720 --> 1:08:50.639 wonder if this is going to lead to a shift 1:08:50.680 --> 1:08:54.000 in the people who have previously been shooting up schools 1:08:54.000 --> 1:08:57.320 and grocery stores going. Well, if I want to get noticed, 1:08:57.720 --> 1:09:00.400 shooting up a school won't do it. But if I 1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:04.759 take a shot at insert political candidate please see service. 1:09:04.800 --> 1:09:05.640 This is theoretical. 1:09:05.800 --> 1:09:07.400 I think this action reminds me of a great deal 1:09:07.479 --> 1:09:09.439 is like this feels more similar to like the John 1:09:09.479 --> 1:09:12.280 Lennon shooting. Honestly, like is that is I think a 1:09:12.720 --> 1:09:16.080 much closer model. And I think a lot of people 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:18.640 who are viewing this as political violence have find this 1:09:18.720 --> 1:09:21.439 to be a very confusing incident, and I don't think 1:09:21.439 --> 1:09:23.200 it's useful to view it the way that we typically 1:09:23.280 --> 1:09:25.840 view political violence. I think it's much close. I think 1:09:25.840 --> 1:09:29.200 it's much more understandable as being a kin to something 1:09:29.200 --> 1:09:31.679 like Colin Buying, the Las Vegas shooting, the John Lennon shooting. 1:09:31.840 --> 1:09:33.280 And when you bring that up to people, it makes 1:09:33.280 --> 1:09:36.680 them angry because it's a shooting of Donald Trump, the 1:09:36.680 --> 1:09:40.880 most politicized man who maybe has ever lived in the 1:09:40.920 --> 1:09:44.760 most politicized election of anyone's lifetimes. And people get really 1:09:44.800 --> 1:09:47.920 angry when you suggest this might not have been political 1:09:48.080 --> 1:09:52.200 in the way that you under conceive of politics, because 1:09:53.040 --> 1:09:55.559 they want it to fit into even if it's a 1:09:55.640 --> 1:09:59.200 scary box, a box that makes sense, and there's something 1:09:59.280 --> 1:10:02.680 so alien at about a guy who this was just 1:10:03.040 --> 1:10:06.439 the best way for me to be to die and 1:10:06.479 --> 1:10:08.919 be remembered is so different. 1:10:09.160 --> 1:10:12.160 And this guy is younger than I am twenty. Trump, 1:10:12.280 --> 1:10:16.599 for him has been a forever character of politics. 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:17.360 He was twelve. 1:10:17.520 --> 1:10:17.960 He's just. 1:10:20.160 --> 1:10:22.920 A political character. This is just someone who represents what 1:10:22.960 --> 1:10:27.559 politics is. Yeah, he's not like an abnormal, you know, 1:10:27.840 --> 1:10:31.320 fascist threat, the same way that people who've studied polics 1:10:31.320 --> 1:10:33.559 for a long time can view Trump historically being like, oh, 1:10:33.560 --> 1:10:35.640 this is like a worrying trend. This is just like 1:10:35.960 --> 1:10:38.559 what regular politics are to people younger than me. 1:10:39.080 --> 1:10:39.400 Mm hm. 1:10:39.960 --> 1:10:41.920 So I think that's also another interesting way to view it, 1:10:42.000 --> 1:10:44.000 when it's like this is just like this is just 1:10:44.040 --> 1:10:46.439 who you grew up with as being the guy. 1:10:46.680 --> 1:10:50.000 This is just the guy. And you know, we started 1:10:50.000 --> 1:10:53.880 this talking about why it seemed like, at least from 1:10:53.880 --> 1:10:58.080 the conversations we were having, the assassination attempt was such 1:10:58.240 --> 1:11:01.240 a mild topic or so such a non topic or 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:02.840 the people we met. And I wonder if some of 1:11:02.880 --> 1:11:06.680 it is confusion about what it means. 1:11:06.479 --> 1:11:08.760 Because this isn't This clearly isn't like an antifa guy. 1:11:08.880 --> 1:11:11.040 Yeah, it wasn't. It was an antifa guy. It wasn't 1:11:11.080 --> 1:11:13.960 you know, a trans person with blue hair, right, It 1:11:14.000 --> 1:11:15.920 wasn't something that fit into their narrative, like. 1:11:15.920 --> 1:11:18.320 Probably a lot of people's like grandkids. Yeah, right, like 1:11:18.400 --> 1:11:22.080 because most people here are are considered considered old. 1:11:22.080 --> 1:11:24.240 Wearing a gun T shirt that probably a third of 1:11:24.280 --> 1:11:26.080 the people in this have or at least they watch 1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:26.960 the chan right. 1:11:27.040 --> 1:11:28.680 Isn't it is an interesting what to view It is 1:11:28.680 --> 1:11:30.400 that the mass shooter looks like a lot of these 1:11:30.479 --> 1:11:34.400 people's like grandkids. Yeah, that is that is an interesting aspect. 1:11:34.479 --> 1:11:38.680 Yeah. Well, anyway, folks, I hope this has been enlightening. 1:11:39.160 --> 1:11:41.679 This is just the start of our week. So we're 1:11:41.720 --> 1:11:44.280 in for five more days that I'm sure each will 1:11:44.320 --> 1:11:47.120 be a worse time than the last. We're all going 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:48.920 to go to sleep now and never. 1:11:48.840 --> 1:11:50.759 Go to Woodmands ever again. 1:11:51.160 --> 1:11:52.680 No, but we're going to find a place to get 1:11:52.680 --> 1:11:57.920 liquor tomorrow. I promise you that. God, gentlemen and Garrisons, 1:12:12.800 --> 1:12:13.960 this is it could happen here. 1:12:14.000 --> 1:12:17.519 I'm Garrison Davis and joined with Robert Evans and Sophie 1:12:17.560 --> 1:12:22.080 Lichterman or Day one of the official RNC, the Republican 1:12:22.560 --> 1:12:25.800 National Convention. Robert, Sophie, how's your day? 1:12:25.800 --> 1:12:29.240 Ben? Well, I'm tired. It was a long day. It 1:12:29.280 --> 1:12:30.320 was very red. 1:12:30.760 --> 1:12:31.679 Yeah, a lot of red. 1:12:31.760 --> 1:12:35.640 It was very loud. The drinks were very expensive. 1:12:36.120 --> 1:12:39.080 Yeah, we got Sony free drinks yesterday and not today. 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:42.280 No, not once you're in the convention center. I don't know. 1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:45.120 We were trapped in a room with a lot of 1:12:45.200 --> 1:12:48.680 people who had were either used car salesman or spiritually 1:12:48.720 --> 1:12:49.839 were used car salesman. 1:12:49.920 --> 1:12:52.200 Also a lot of people who want to kill me specifically. 1:12:52.360 --> 1:12:57.559 Yes, we'll talk about this that more later. Yeah, today, 1:12:57.680 --> 1:13:00.519 Just structurally, what happened is, you know, it was a 1:13:00.560 --> 1:13:03.680 series of speeches. So you had a first off the 1:13:03.720 --> 1:13:05.880 big floor vote, right, so we got to watch all 1:13:05.920 --> 1:13:08.320 of the different states had their delegates and they have 1:13:08.360 --> 1:13:10.640 to form even though everyone knows what's happening, they have 1:13:10.680 --> 1:13:13.880 to like formally follow Robert's rules of order or whatever 1:13:13.960 --> 1:13:16.960 and confirm that Trump is the nominee. And then they 1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:20.240 announce and confirm the VP, who you all know by 1:13:20.240 --> 1:13:23.800 now was JD. Vance. We'll talk might as well talk 1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:24.559 a little bit about im now. 1:13:24.600 --> 1:13:24.760 JD. 1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:26.479 Vance is a guy who in the wake of Trump's 1:13:26.479 --> 1:13:31.679 initial victory. He's a dude who came from Appalachia sort 1:13:31.720 --> 1:13:36.439 of part time, went to an Ivy League school, did 1:13:36.479 --> 1:13:38.439 some time in the Marines and then made a bunch 1:13:38.479 --> 1:13:41.439 of money in business. And then when twenty sixteen happened 1:13:41.479 --> 1:13:43.320 and a lot of liberals were like, wow, how could 1:13:43.400 --> 1:13:46.800 Trump have won election? He capitalized by writing a book 1:13:46.800 --> 1:13:49.880 trying to explain the appalation experience, even though again he 1:13:49.960 --> 1:13:52.799 only kind of lived there part time and mostly. Yeah, 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:55.599 had abandoned those people in that part, Like the book 1:13:55.640 --> 1:13:57.800 is about him abandoning that part of his life as 1:13:57.800 --> 1:13:59.880 soon as he possibly can. Not a great book by 1:14:00.080 --> 1:14:02.240 my opinion as someone who grew up in a really 1:14:02.280 --> 1:14:04.960 fucking poor town in the Deep South. 1:14:05.040 --> 1:14:07.200 But is he technically a millennial. 1:14:07.680 --> 1:14:10.519 Yeah, he's the first millennial who might become vice president. 1:14:11.080 --> 1:14:13.200 That's a big part of why I think he was picked. 1:14:13.320 --> 1:14:15.240 Agreed, Yeah, that's a big part of why. 1:14:15.800 --> 1:14:19.000 So it was time for them to announce JD. 1:14:19.120 --> 1:14:19.400 Vance. 1:14:19.479 --> 1:14:24.360 They officially approved him. Delegates officially approved him, which happened 1:14:24.479 --> 1:14:27.799 very quickly, and he came out to Chance in Ohio, 1:14:27.840 --> 1:14:30.960 where he's from, was very stoked to have him there. 1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:32.240 Lots of chance of JD. 1:14:32.479 --> 1:14:32.759 JD. 1:14:33.280 --> 1:14:34.599 You're right, he had a hype man. 1:14:34.800 --> 1:14:38.639 Yeah, and he advanced his way out there with his 1:14:38.680 --> 1:14:42.960 wife and looked emotional, and yeah, all I know is 1:14:43.000 --> 1:14:46.400 that he really fucking hates lb gt q IA people 1:14:46.479 --> 1:14:48.040 and I really fucking ate him. 1:14:48.200 --> 1:14:51.800 Uh huh Yeah, I mean he said that he kind 1:14:51.800 --> 1:14:55.400 of like turned the corner finally on what side because 1:14:55.400 --> 1:14:57.840 he had said some anti Trump stuff once in the day, 1:14:57.840 --> 1:15:00.720 but he turned the corner. Who has this movie got 1:15:00.720 --> 1:15:04.280 really bad reviews? So if we wind up going into 1:15:04.320 --> 1:15:07.200 full fledged fascist dictatorship, we can blame Ron Howard for 1:15:07.240 --> 1:15:09.040 some of that. And to be honest, we always knew 1:15:09.040 --> 1:15:12.439 that was going to be the case. Yeah, valid, Yeah, 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:15.160 after that, Yeah, Marjorie Taylor Green gave a speech, a 1:15:15.200 --> 1:15:17.720 couple other people, Tim Scott had a speech. 1:15:17.960 --> 1:15:23.360 So there was a break between sessions. We came back 1:15:23.400 --> 1:15:28.680 for the second session. The second session opens up with 1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:33.400 what I could only describe as I was like, Christopher Nolan, 1:15:33.560 --> 1:15:39.559 are you here? It was like a reception sounding music, Wow, traumatized, 1:15:39.720 --> 1:15:44.400 Thank you for that, traumatized video of like in a world, yeah, 1:15:44.439 --> 1:15:48.560 like showing crime and people losing money and women and 1:15:48.680 --> 1:15:49.719 babies crying. 1:15:49.880 --> 1:15:52.280 And then there's like literally bad clip art of money 1:15:52.280 --> 1:15:53.599 on fire, clip. 1:15:53.439 --> 1:15:55.840 Art of money on fire, and it's about it was 1:15:55.920 --> 1:15:58.559 like three to five minutes long, very long, because I 1:15:58.560 --> 1:15:59.439 took a video of it. 1:15:59.439 --> 1:16:03.000 It felt like a lea bad like action thriller trailer. 1:16:03.680 --> 1:16:07.240 Could have been partly AI. There was certainly some CGE 1:16:07.280 --> 1:16:09.200 animation towards the end because they were they had this 1:16:09.240 --> 1:16:11.120 camera that was sweeping through this fake city. It was 1:16:11.120 --> 1:16:15.480 all CG and it landed on this this this floodlight 1:16:15.600 --> 1:16:19.599 on top of a roof. It's broken, flickering, the floodlight 1:16:19.720 --> 1:16:22.639 gears are turning, the music is ramping up, and finally 1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:27.200 it lightens and we see Trump, the Trump signal shining 1:16:27.240 --> 1:16:32.000 in the cloudy sky, calling calling the hero the mass 1:16:32.040 --> 1:16:35.200 avenger as if it was the bat signal from. 1:16:34.960 --> 1:16:39.080 It was shameful and then and then people loved it. Yeah, 1:16:39.080 --> 1:16:42.200 I got a great reaction. There's also a video of 1:16:42.320 --> 1:16:44.120 all the scenes. If you if you've ever seen clips 1:16:44.120 --> 1:16:46.320 from rallies, you've probably seen little clips of Trump like 1:16:46.400 --> 1:16:50.360 fake dancing, doing doing that weird dancer his hand. He 1:16:50.360 --> 1:16:53.160 doesn't dance, but he's excited, but he's in a good mood, 1:16:53.240 --> 1:16:53.920 you know. The dance. 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:57.080 It's what we would describe as a little wiggle. Anyways, 1:16:57.280 --> 1:16:59.640 it was a very long wiggle video. 1:16:59.520 --> 1:17:02.200 And people loved it. No, it looked like that. 1:17:02.200 --> 1:17:03.840 This is the type of video that liberals would post 1:17:03.920 --> 1:17:06.120 to make fun of Trump, and the fact that it 1:17:06.160 --> 1:17:09.360 was used as a hype video shows how useless that 1:17:09.439 --> 1:17:13.200 style of like political propertyanda is. You can't make fun 1:17:13.240 --> 1:17:15.320 of Trump for doing that little dance. That doesn't that 1:17:15.320 --> 1:17:16.000 doesn't do anything. 1:17:16.040 --> 1:17:18.240 You can't make There's no use in making fun of Trump. 1:17:18.280 --> 1:17:20.559 There is no value in satirizing him. There is no 1:17:20.720 --> 1:17:24.160 value in laughing at him. Like if it helps you personally, 1:17:24.200 --> 1:17:26.800 that's great, if you need that to get by, we 1:17:26.880 --> 1:17:29.280 all do it sometimes, but it is no it does 1:17:29.320 --> 1:17:32.479 no damage to them, like the not to shit on 1:17:32.560 --> 1:17:34.920 John Oliver. But the Trump stuff was a wild and 1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:38.519 spectacular failure. None of it accomplished anything, and everybody who 1:17:38.520 --> 1:17:40.519 ever thought that you could make fun of Trump and 1:17:40.560 --> 1:17:43.000 have any positive impact was wrong. And you should feel 1:17:43.040 --> 1:17:43.639 a little bad. 1:17:44.600 --> 1:17:47.120 I do because and because they used it as a 1:17:47.200 --> 1:17:51.280 hype video. They used it to stitch between their different 1:17:51.320 --> 1:17:54.400 musical acts, different segments, and oh boy, the music, so 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:56.960 that the music was better than the music at the 1:17:57.080 --> 1:17:58.960 at the welcome party that we talked about in our 1:17:59.000 --> 1:18:02.760 last episode. But that bar is not very high. It's 1:18:02.840 --> 1:18:05.920 it's all it's it's all country music, right, it's country 1:18:06.000 --> 1:18:06.679 music cover bands. 1:18:06.760 --> 1:18:08.240 You It was not all country. No, there was a 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:09.519 lot of like nineties stuff. 1:18:09.560 --> 1:18:12.679 There was a fucking it's played in the style of country. 1:18:12.760 --> 1:18:16.679 There was some bye Bye by your boat guy. 1:18:17.360 --> 1:18:21.280 There was at they had a they had a Fleetwood 1:18:21.320 --> 1:18:24.120 Mac song someone did you Can There. 1:18:24.040 --> 1:18:28.280 Was like essentially like the the run of the Evening and. 1:18:28.320 --> 1:18:31.559 Dad rock and country music. My apologies, it was dad 1:18:31.640 --> 1:18:32.800 rock and country music. 1:18:32.920 --> 1:18:34.640 You know what I have to tell you. We do 1:18:34.800 --> 1:18:38.439 not care enough to argue about this anyways. The music 1:18:38.560 --> 1:18:41.400 was fucking mid It was like the way because I 1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:44.760 of course, like a bunch of people have Texas today 1:18:44.800 --> 1:18:46.840 and been like how is it? And the only way 1:18:46.840 --> 1:18:50.479 that we can describe it is if a normal person 1:18:50.520 --> 1:18:54.280 went to their favorite concert and and had great seats, yeah, 1:18:54.320 --> 1:18:57.960 and uh you were very happy. Is the same exact 1:18:58.800 --> 1:19:01.320 Or you went to a game set of the NBA Finals. 1:19:01.720 --> 1:19:05.360 That's exactly the reaction that the people in the crowd 1:19:05.360 --> 1:19:05.800 were having. 1:19:06.080 --> 1:19:08.959 It's a mix of like a sports event, a concert, 1:19:09.000 --> 1:19:11.800 and like a mega church. If there was if there 1:19:11.840 --> 1:19:13.360 was some kind of concert that a whole bunch of 1:19:13.360 --> 1:19:16.280 boomers really enjoyed. That was the general vibe of the 1:19:16.360 --> 1:19:17.920 convention today, which. 1:19:17.760 --> 1:19:19.639 Is not all that different from how Trump Ralli's feel 1:19:19.800 --> 1:19:23.000 totally had. It had that vibe, and it felt more 1:19:23.920 --> 1:19:28.400 more like a concert than the twenty sixteen RNC did. 1:19:28.640 --> 1:19:31.200 Yeah, I mean there was also there was so much 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:33.760 music in so few speeches. The speeches were only like 1:19:34.120 --> 1:19:37.080 two minutes long each, and there would be like extended, 1:19:37.160 --> 1:19:40.599 like ten twenty minute musical performances in between each speech. 1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:44.280 Like mostly it's just it's just people playing songs on stage. 1:19:44.600 --> 1:19:46.120 That was most of the R and C today. 1:19:46.200 --> 1:19:49.160 There was there was several different speeches that came after 1:19:49.200 --> 1:19:53.120 those strange videos, and we'll get into that. But first 1:19:53.200 --> 1:19:55.320 we're gonna go to an AD break, and when we 1:19:55.400 --> 1:20:01.200 come back, we're gonna play live us from the well. 1:20:01.240 --> 1:20:02.759 It was live when we recorded yea. 1:20:02.600 --> 1:20:04.840 As what I'm saying live us. We were alive back 1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:08.720 then and now questionable talking about what we were experiencing 1:20:08.720 --> 1:20:09.320 in the moment. 1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:24.280 But first, ads, Okay, we are back, and now we 1:20:24.320 --> 1:20:26.920 will tune in to our recording we made on the 1:20:27.000 --> 1:20:32.920 convention floor. Dunn, Okay, we are well recording live broadcasting 1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:35.160 a little bit later, but recording live on the ground 1:20:35.400 --> 1:20:39.560 at the Republican National Convention. We've had a very, a 1:20:39.680 --> 1:20:43.080 very busy morning. It's now mid afternoon. We're in between sessions. 1:20:43.120 --> 1:20:45.560 The first session just wrapped up, and we thought we 1:20:45.640 --> 1:20:48.040 were we should have record some of our immediate thoughts 1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:51.559 before our little debrief tonight. I guess let's start with 1:20:51.800 --> 1:20:52.640 Robert Evans. 1:20:53.200 --> 1:20:59.320 Yeah. Well, first off, my main overwhelming kind of takeaway 1:20:59.439 --> 1:21:02.479 is that the tone and tempo of this is a 1:21:02.520 --> 1:21:06.280 lot milder than I expected. And I think it's because 1:21:06.320 --> 1:21:10.240 the overwhelming majority of people here are extremely conservative, the 1:21:10.240 --> 1:21:14.400 most dedicated and active members of the party. But it's 1:21:14.439 --> 1:21:17.240 not like the Proud Boy Crew over definitely some of 1:21:17.240 --> 1:21:18.120 those people here. 1:21:17.920 --> 1:21:19.480 But these are electoralists. 1:21:19.479 --> 1:21:22.000 These are electoralists. Most of them are a lot older, 1:21:22.040 --> 1:21:23.880 you know. I would say the average age is somewhere 1:21:23.880 --> 1:21:26.320 between the late forties to the sixties of like people 1:21:26.360 --> 1:21:29.600 you encounter here, and it is interesting to me that 1:21:29.960 --> 1:21:32.040 I have not, you know, as soon as we, like 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:33.880 we said yesterday, as soon as we landed, we saw 1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:36.320 a guy with a trump after he got shot, sticking 1:21:36.360 --> 1:21:38.599 his fist in the airshirt. I haven't seen a ton 1:21:38.640 --> 1:21:40.960 of that on the ground here, since I've not seen 1:21:41.000 --> 1:21:42.320 a ton of it, nor have I seen a ton 1:21:42.360 --> 1:21:43.840 of direct references to it. 1:21:44.080 --> 1:21:47.880 I guess the sophie here, I think that. Guess. The 1:21:47.920 --> 1:21:50.479 main reference that I've seen is when they did the 1:21:50.840 --> 1:21:52.360 delegate official photo. 1:21:52.479 --> 1:21:53.720 That would be the big one. 1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:54.000 Yeah. 1:21:54.080 --> 1:21:56.720 They all turned around and raised their fist in the 1:21:56.720 --> 1:22:01.479 way that Donald Trump did after the attempted assassination, which 1:22:01.560 --> 1:22:02.640 was fascinating to me. 1:22:03.120 --> 1:22:07.400 Yeah, yeah, especially given the lack of otherwise direct emphasis 1:22:07.439 --> 1:22:10.120 on what happened. And maybe that's coming up. I kind 1:22:10.120 --> 1:22:12.679 of do the way I'm interpreting it now is because 1:22:12.680 --> 1:22:14.320 the thing that just dropped a few minutes ago is 1:22:14.360 --> 1:22:19.280 the FBI got into the shooter's phone. So far, preliminary findings, 1:22:19.360 --> 1:22:21.639 nothing in there that makes it clear why he did it. 1:22:22.120 --> 1:22:24.240 So I kind of think they may just be sort 1:22:24.240 --> 1:22:27.439 of confused as to why one of their own seemingly 1:22:27.560 --> 1:22:30.799 carried out the shooting. Not really clear what the rhetoric 1:22:30.880 --> 1:22:34.360 on the shooters should be, but very clear on how 1:22:34.400 --> 1:22:36.680 they should respond to the Trump photo, Which is the 1:22:36.720 --> 1:22:39.400 primary takeaway from that is the photo is the pose? 1:22:39.520 --> 1:22:43.400 Is him cementing his image as this indestructible you know, 1:22:43.520 --> 1:22:46.320 man who's constantly under attack, right, and so it makes 1:22:46.320 --> 1:22:48.479 sense to me that they've adopted that hand sign, and 1:22:48.520 --> 1:22:51.120 I expect we'll see more of it. And boy, howdy, 1:22:51.160 --> 1:22:53.679 does it just look exactly like that the hand sign 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:55.559 from the far right that everyone's familiar with. 1:22:57.320 --> 1:23:01.400 So as we were kind of in between speakers, they 1:23:01.400 --> 1:23:03.600 had this little band playing and we happened to be 1:23:03.680 --> 1:23:06.960 sitting next to one of one of the younger people 1:23:07.040 --> 1:23:09.719 that I've seen attending the convention, but like still still 1:23:09.760 --> 1:23:11.439 like an adult, like a very young adult, may maybe 1:23:11.720 --> 1:23:13.719 twenty one, maybe twenty at most. 1:23:13.800 --> 1:23:15.400 He couldn't have been older than twenty one because he 1:23:15.439 --> 1:23:17.080 said this is his first election. He'll be able to 1:23:17.160 --> 1:23:18.920 vote in yeesh presidential election. 1:23:18.760 --> 1:23:20.759 So probably a little bit younger than me. It's interesting 1:23:20.760 --> 1:23:23.000 because yesterday we talked with some, you know, very old people, 1:23:23.080 --> 1:23:24.639 and today we talk to with some very young people 1:23:24.920 --> 1:23:26.840 to get and it's it is a it is an 1:23:26.840 --> 1:23:30.920 interesting contrast. So, yeah, this young conservative from from California 1:23:30.920 --> 1:23:34.439 but now lives in South Dakota and I don't know. 1:23:34.439 --> 1:23:37.120 We were asking him about like what what focus he 1:23:37.160 --> 1:23:39.520 has in politics. He seemed really concerned about the economy. 1:23:39.600 --> 1:23:42.760 That was that was kind of his main his main issue. 1:23:42.680 --> 1:23:44.680 Almost the only thing he wanted to talk about was 1:23:44.720 --> 1:23:48.960 the economy. He was one thing, I'll say, very good natured, 1:23:49.120 --> 1:23:51.720 like not in the I am doing a pr thing, 1:23:51.760 --> 1:23:53.519 I am trying to put on an image, but just 1:23:53.640 --> 1:23:57.200 in the not at all aggressive, did not react kind 1:23:57.200 --> 1:23:59.479 of negatively to the fact that we were media, which 1:23:59.560 --> 1:24:01.400 you get a lot of that at events like these. 1:24:01.960 --> 1:24:04.920 He expressed that the only places he gets his news 1:24:05.080 --> 1:24:07.920 is Fox and News Nation on TV. He is not 1:24:08.080 --> 1:24:12.160 on social media, which I found interesting and statistics suggest 1:24:12.200 --> 1:24:14.719 obviously that's not the norm, but it is a growing 1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:17.160 number of gen Z and Jen Alpha kids who avoid 1:24:17.560 --> 1:24:18.599 a lot of the internet. 1:24:18.640 --> 1:24:21.479 Well, and especially among conservatives. I mean there is a 1:24:21.520 --> 1:24:23.839 lot of young conservatives who do get their news on TikTok, 1:24:23.840 --> 1:24:26.799 who do get their news. Podcasts are one of the biggest, 1:24:26.960 --> 1:24:29.960 biggest ways that young people to the right get their news. Obviously, 1:24:29.960 --> 1:24:32.719 like the Daily Wire is very dominant in the podcasting scene. 1:24:33.120 --> 1:24:35.000 But no, I found that very interesting, and I assume 1:24:35.000 --> 1:24:38.080 that's probably like, you know, influenced by his family. You know, 1:24:38.120 --> 1:24:39.960 whatever is on whatever is on the family TV. 1:24:40.680 --> 1:24:42.680 His his uncle is about to be the mayor of 1:24:42.720 --> 1:24:46.960 Huntington Beach, California, and is the sheriff. Huntington Beach is 1:24:47.000 --> 1:24:51.920 the most conservative city in California, probably a pretty wide margin. 1:24:52.960 --> 1:24:53.120 Yeah. 1:24:53.240 --> 1:24:55.640 No, he expressed a lot of frustration that we were 1:24:56.080 --> 1:24:58.080 we were giving lots of money to Ukraine, that he 1:24:58.120 --> 1:25:00.840 felt that Zelensky was suspending on him self instead of 1:25:00.880 --> 1:25:04.439 on the military. And yeah, I mean he seemed like 1:25:04.520 --> 1:25:06.920 a good old Christian boy. He was very, very into 1:25:06.960 --> 1:25:10.760 the praying section of the night. I asked him at 1:25:10.880 --> 1:25:13.560 ed ed at some point when when JD. Vance was 1:25:13.560 --> 1:25:16.200 coming out on stage to be announcedly the official vice president, 1:25:16.640 --> 1:25:19.679 like if he thinks that they're gonna win this year? 1:25:19.840 --> 1:25:22.040 Like do you think that the Republicans are gonna win? 1:25:22.320 --> 1:25:24.360 And he said yes, if it's fair. 1:25:24.560 --> 1:25:26.519 Yeah, that was the same That was the first thing 1:25:26.560 --> 1:25:28.160 I asked him, And that was the same answer he 1:25:28.200 --> 1:25:33.000 gave me. And you know, speaking of Vance, because Vance 1:25:33.120 --> 1:25:35.000 is my first thought and a lot of people's first thought. 1:25:35.080 --> 1:25:37.920 And I think this is probably the accurate thing to 1:25:37.920 --> 1:25:40.840 say about Vance. He does not provide a lot to Trump, right, 1:25:40.880 --> 1:25:42.880 He's not a guy who won by a wide margin. 1:25:43.240 --> 1:25:46.120 I'm not even confident he on his own does anything 1:25:46.160 --> 1:25:49.240 to deliver his state Ohio. But what this kid brought 1:25:49.280 --> 1:25:51.680 up and what I suspect Trump season him, because when 1:25:51.680 --> 1:25:53.600 I asked, what do you think about JD. Vance, he 1:25:53.680 --> 1:25:56.479 repeatedly said, I think he's loyal. I think he really 1:25:56.600 --> 1:25:59.200 likes Trump. I think he's loyal. And I did bring 1:25:59.280 --> 1:26:01.479 up the fact that Vance has said bad things about 1:26:01.520 --> 1:26:03.599 Trump in the past, and then he went on this 1:26:03.680 --> 1:26:05.400 thing where he was like, I think that DeSantis and 1:26:05.439 --> 1:26:09.120 Trump really like each other. It's all politics. And I 1:26:09.160 --> 1:26:12.599 wanted to say, how deranged, but then he was like, 1:26:12.800 --> 1:26:14.559 you know, it's like Kamala and Joe. She was really 1:26:14.560 --> 1:26:16.040 I mean to him during the debate and now she's 1:26:16.040 --> 1:26:17.920 his vice president. I was like, well, that's actually a 1:26:17.920 --> 1:26:21.080 pretty reasonable way to look at the situation. I don't 1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:23.320 know that I think it's actually accurate, but I see 1:26:23.360 --> 1:26:25.240 the logical through line there, and I was kind of, 1:26:25.280 --> 1:26:26.320 you know, I thought that was interesting. 1:26:27.960 --> 1:26:31.439 I thought it was interesting when they were bringing out JD. 1:26:31.600 --> 1:26:35.599 Vance and he was dancing vamping. I'm going to call 1:26:35.640 --> 1:26:40.479 it dancing vancing advancing that. You know, they were quick 1:26:40.520 --> 1:26:43.479 to call out that he he was a marine, quick 1:26:43.520 --> 1:26:45.280 to call him a patriot, quick to call him a 1:26:45.320 --> 1:26:47.840 family man, and I think that's what he brings to 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:49.720 the table. He brings those three things as well as 1:26:49.760 --> 1:26:54.080 his age, and I think that's that's what the GOP 1:26:54.240 --> 1:26:57.920 is focusing on. Yeah, I mean, other than that, there 1:26:58.000 --> 1:27:00.000 was a really weird prayer thing. 1:27:00.920 --> 1:27:04.680 Yeah, that was after Vance came up. They did the benediction. 1:27:05.200 --> 1:27:07.200 Yeah. It was. 1:27:08.640 --> 1:27:10.680 What I could only express is a little bit like 1:27:10.720 --> 1:27:14.599 spiritually disturbing. All of like the led screens behind behind, 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:18.240 like the speakers all flashed like very like Facebook esque 1:27:18.320 --> 1:27:21.040 like images of like you know, the Bible of like 1:27:21.120 --> 1:27:22.320 families praying. 1:27:22.160 --> 1:27:24.840 Like kids, like glowing like glowing. 1:27:24.560 --> 1:27:27.160 Like like the heavenly glowing light, like the the the 1:27:27.360 --> 1:27:29.599 whole environment change from like you know, it's usually very 1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:33.160 like sports debate, you know, red versus Blue. It's you know, 1:27:33.240 --> 1:27:35.920 it's it's very traditional like Americana. And it was a 1:27:36.000 --> 1:27:37.640 very it was a very intense shift to like to 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:40.400 like this to this like a like strong like Facebook 1:27:40.520 --> 1:27:43.000 Christianity almost. That's that's the best way I can I 1:27:43.000 --> 1:27:45.519 can describe it with words. And I mean, you know, 1:27:45.680 --> 1:27:48.240 it was a typical Christian dominionist moment where you have 1:27:48.760 --> 1:27:52.160 you know, the the one of the largest of two 1:27:52.280 --> 1:27:56.200 political parties, just fully, fully embracing the UH and fully 1:27:56.280 --> 1:27:58.920 you know, putting out that you know, this is this 1:27:59.000 --> 1:28:01.080 is a this is a real religious party. Almost more 1:28:01.120 --> 1:28:04.680 than anything else. The religion is so important to the ceremony, 1:28:04.920 --> 1:28:08.160 and specifically not just any religions of course, just Christianity. 1:28:08.520 --> 1:28:11.840 And I don't know, they spent like almost like the 1:28:11.920 --> 1:28:15.720 last half of the prayer talking about Israel and you know, 1:28:16.680 --> 1:28:21.320 specifically saying the children of Abraham and the Holy City 1:28:21.360 --> 1:28:23.479 of Jerusalem and you know, all all of that kind 1:28:23.520 --> 1:28:26.360 of language prayer for the hostages, talking about how the 1:28:26.360 --> 1:28:28.880 hostages are being kept against their will. But you know, 1:28:29.120 --> 1:28:30.760 all of the language reminds me a lot of like 1:28:31.200 --> 1:28:34.760 my childhood and the rhetoric around Israel as this place 1:28:34.840 --> 1:28:37.800 to secure so that so that you know, the prophecies 1:28:37.840 --> 1:28:40.799 can come true for Jesus' second coming, and like that 1:28:40.560 --> 1:28:43.200 that is that is the entire the entire bit. 1:28:43.680 --> 1:28:45.680 I'm trying to recall if there was a big benediction 1:28:45.880 --> 1:28:48.840 at the end after the twenty sixteen RNC when Pennce 1:28:48.880 --> 1:28:51.840 was nominated, and I'm sure there was, but for whatever reason, 1:28:51.840 --> 1:28:53.519 it doesn't stick out in my mind the way this 1:28:53.560 --> 1:28:53.960 one did. 1:28:54.080 --> 1:28:56.479 Now, this will certainly stick stick out in my mind. 1:28:56.520 --> 1:28:59.360 Like everyone knows Republicans are, you know, the more Christian party, 1:28:59.760 --> 1:29:02.559 but just the year like a consensus about it here, 1:29:02.680 --> 1:29:05.280 just like everybody is, like even if they aren't themselves Christian, 1:29:05.360 --> 1:29:08.599 most people are, but like everyone's in on this thing happening. 1:29:09.760 --> 1:29:11.439 It was. It was just a it was just an 1:29:11.439 --> 1:29:14.000 interesting moment contrasted to the overall, you know, like a 1:29:14.040 --> 1:29:17.680 concert kind of sports vibe that the rest of the 1:29:17.760 --> 1:29:19.080 convention kind of carries. 1:29:20.080 --> 1:29:23.360 Yeah, I mean, the only other thing that I pointed out. 1:29:23.880 --> 1:29:27.559 At one point, I went to get water and I 1:29:27.600 --> 1:29:31.439 came back and I mentioned right before we started to record, 1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:34.760 to both Gary and Robert, I was like, cops keep 1:29:34.920 --> 1:29:38.879 touching me and like putting their hand on my shoulder, 1:29:39.080 --> 1:29:42.040 and you know, is one cop just wanted to talk 1:29:42.040 --> 1:29:44.360 to me about my day and I was like trying 1:29:44.400 --> 1:29:47.080 to get water and going back into the convention. And 1:29:47.120 --> 1:29:51.040 then I mentioned that to garon Robert and they both 1:29:51.040 --> 1:29:53.280 said that they've been touched quite a lot too, And 1:29:53.400 --> 1:29:56.240 I just think that's interesting to note, And you know, 1:29:56.680 --> 1:30:00.200 I don't particularly like to be touched by strangers, especially. 1:30:00.680 --> 1:30:02.920 Mine has been on the shoulder by like a couple 1:30:02.960 --> 1:30:05.439 of different what I would describe them as like uncle 1:30:05.520 --> 1:30:08.360 coded guys, yes, who I don't know and was not 1:30:08.400 --> 1:30:10.200 talking to, just like walking past me and putting a 1:30:10.240 --> 1:30:13.280 hand on my shoulder, like like someone who is a 1:30:13.280 --> 1:30:15.960 family member would do casually, like a family event, you know, 1:30:16.000 --> 1:30:17.680 when you're on the way to do something else. But 1:30:17.840 --> 1:30:20.439 I've never met these people. We did not talk. That 1:30:20.640 --> 1:30:23.559 was odd, hasn't happened to me before. Maybe everyone's just 1:30:23.600 --> 1:30:25.439 in a very good mood because they're that sure they're 1:30:25.479 --> 1:30:27.880 going to win. Maybe we just ran into a lot 1:30:27.880 --> 1:30:30.080 of creepy uncle types unclear. 1:30:30.280 --> 1:30:33.240 It'll be interesting to contrast with the DNC, But no, 1:30:33.400 --> 1:30:35.479 it certainly has been a pattern. There's a lot more 1:30:35.520 --> 1:30:38.280 like just casual touching here. And yeah, I think that 1:30:38.360 --> 1:30:40.719 is most of our thoughts right now. I guess that. 1:30:40.800 --> 1:30:43.080 The last thing I guess I'll add is the young 1:30:43.160 --> 1:30:46.160 kid that we were talking to who was very excited 1:30:46.200 --> 1:30:50.360 about about this, about this whole deal. As Vance was 1:30:50.400 --> 1:30:52.160 coming out and you know, the crowd was going crazy 1:30:52.200 --> 1:30:55.280 and everything, he very quietly remarked that he was like 1:30:55.439 --> 1:30:57.479 gonna start crying because it was just like so like 1:30:57.520 --> 1:30:59.120 an impactful. I think it was. I think it was 1:30:59.120 --> 1:31:02.800 mostly to himself, like acknowledging that verbally and then said 1:31:02.800 --> 1:31:05.680 he wants to become a cop and that just you know, 1:31:05.800 --> 1:31:08.800 that is that is the entire base. And then he 1:31:08.920 --> 1:31:11.679 was then immediately went into a very a very intense 1:31:11.720 --> 1:31:16.040 prayer posture during the prayer, and that's just a good 1:31:16.080 --> 1:31:16.840 portion of the country. 1:31:16.880 --> 1:31:21.040 I guess, yep, yep, I uh, yeah. It was interesting. 1:31:21.439 --> 1:31:23.639 We were talking about Ukraine for a while because his 1:31:23.640 --> 1:31:26.479 his stance on it was he's fine with them getting weapons, 1:31:26.479 --> 1:31:28.720 but he's sure they're getting a lot of money that 1:31:29.040 --> 1:31:32.160 Zelensky is doing something shady with. And generally it felt 1:31:32.160 --> 1:31:35.479 like Zelensky wasn't fighting, which I thought was interesting. It does, 1:31:35.560 --> 1:31:37.479 it is kind of It makes sense to me if 1:31:37.479 --> 1:31:40.160 you've skimmed the way the right reports on Ukraine a lot, 1:31:40.200 --> 1:31:42.280 that would be his attitude. But he also said he 1:31:42.320 --> 1:31:45.719 wasn't supportive of yielding to Putin on any of Putin's demands. 1:31:46.439 --> 1:31:49.720 And then when I talked about because I chatted with 1:31:49.760 --> 1:31:51.840 him about some of my experiences in Ukraine, and when 1:31:51.880 --> 1:31:53.559 he found out that I had done more reporting, his 1:31:53.600 --> 1:31:55.880 first question was, have you ever been to Israel. Yeah, 1:31:56.040 --> 1:31:59.120 that was interesting. Yeah, interesting. Just immediately asked that. Oh, 1:31:59.200 --> 1:32:01.280 one other note, we run into a fan of the 1:32:01.320 --> 1:32:05.799 show who was working who was wearing a USS Liberty hat. 1:32:06.439 --> 1:32:09.439 The USS Liberty was like a US Navy ship that 1:32:09.640 --> 1:32:12.559 was struck by Israel, and it's, you know, under very 1:32:12.560 --> 1:32:15.920 shady circumstances, and it's kind of like one of the 1:32:15.920 --> 1:32:21.200 better ways you could be publicly critical of the Israeli military, 1:32:21.240 --> 1:32:23.920 at least at the RNC, without most people knowing what 1:32:23.960 --> 1:32:26.599 you're doing. Yeah, I thought that was funny. 1:32:26.920 --> 1:32:28.920 The very last thing I'll say is that right as 1:32:28.960 --> 1:32:32.040 we exited the first session, we ran into friend of 1:32:32.040 --> 1:32:38.240 the podk Ramaswami, who was who was a little shorter 1:32:38.280 --> 1:32:40.599 than I expected. A tall man, not a tall man. 1:32:40.720 --> 1:32:43.280 And I did ask the kid that we were sitting 1:32:43.320 --> 1:32:45.880 next to. You know, I'm curious about his thoughts on 1:32:46.000 --> 1:32:47.879 the future of the party, and I asked him specifically 1:32:47.920 --> 1:32:50.639 about the VEK, and he said he likes for VEK 1:32:50.880 --> 1:32:53.240 because Vivec is a businessman, just like Trump, and he 1:32:53.280 --> 1:32:55.639 wants someone to run the country like a business. 1:32:55.920 --> 1:32:58.080 I should also note that the Vek was followed by 1:32:58.160 --> 1:33:02.400 a swarm of like I'm guessing his entourage. All of 1:33:02.439 --> 1:33:05.840 the nearly all of them were very young men who 1:33:05.880 --> 1:33:09.160 I would describe as nick Fuintes coded. Yes, like like 1:33:09.280 --> 1:33:12.280 they really had that physiognomy to them. 1:33:12.400 --> 1:33:13.320 Groper types. 1:33:13.560 --> 1:33:16.880 Yeah, groper types, which JD Vance. It's one of the 1:33:16.920 --> 1:33:18.640 things coming out right now is that he's in a 1:33:18.640 --> 1:33:20.920 group chat with a bunch of sixteen year old groper 1:33:21.000 --> 1:33:23.000 So I am excited for some of those, more of 1:33:23.040 --> 1:33:25.000 those chats to come out, all right. 1:33:25.040 --> 1:33:27.519 Well, back to future us talking about the rest of 1:33:27.680 --> 1:33:30.439 the Republican National Convention. Day one. 1:33:30.720 --> 1:33:33.320 Wow, that sure was great. We had such a fun time. 1:33:33.880 --> 1:33:42.520 You know what else is fun? Here's some more ads. 1:33:47.479 --> 1:33:49.800 We're back to conclude. We got a couple of things 1:33:49.800 --> 1:33:52.799 to talk about. One of them is, you know, obviously 1:33:52.840 --> 1:33:54.760 we're at a convention. We don't have a car, we're 1:33:54.760 --> 1:33:57.720 taking ubers everywhere, we're eating at restaurants. 1:33:57.760 --> 1:34:01.920 And this has taken over almost all of the central 1:34:01.960 --> 1:34:03.360 area of Milwaukee, and. 1:34:03.320 --> 1:34:05.240 There were because of a lot of fuck ups. For 1:34:05.320 --> 1:34:07.639 one thing, a lot of places that in downtown were 1:34:07.640 --> 1:34:10.920 supposed to be booked are not booked. Businesses are not 1:34:11.000 --> 1:34:13.040 getting the kind of business they had expected to get 1:34:13.160 --> 1:34:15.760 during this because of some of those fuck ups. Yeah, 1:34:15.800 --> 1:34:18.800 and kind of most interesting to us so coming into this. 1:34:18.840 --> 1:34:20.920 One of the things the Republicans even put at billboards 1:34:20.920 --> 1:34:23.200 in Milwaukee over this, and this is a big thing 1:34:23.240 --> 1:34:25.200 that Trump is campaigning on to try to get service 1:34:25.240 --> 1:34:27.679 worker type people to vote for him, is no tax 1:34:27.720 --> 1:34:30.200 on tips. And to make a long story short, it 1:34:30.240 --> 1:34:32.800 works out to be much worse for service workers. Kind 1:34:32.800 --> 1:34:36.680 of the compromise here is that they can continue to 1:34:36.800 --> 1:34:38.880 pay far below minimum wage and there will be no 1:34:38.920 --> 1:34:42.240 attempts to raise that at all. And of course the 1:34:42.360 --> 1:34:46.800 kind of people who vote for Republicans don't tip by and. 1:34:46.840 --> 1:34:48.879 Large because they hate service workers. 1:34:48.920 --> 1:34:50.840 We have been talking to every Uber driver at all 1:34:50.880 --> 1:34:54.640 of the waiters waitresses that we've had, and pretty overwhelmingly 1:34:54.680 --> 1:34:56.720 nearly one hundred percent of them say like, yeah, we're 1:34:56.760 --> 1:34:57.760 just not getting. 1:34:57.360 --> 1:35:00.519 No one's tipping, the extreme negative views just because of 1:35:00.560 --> 1:35:01.920 like the politics, right, just. 1:35:01.880 --> 1:35:04.200 Because about more than half of them don't really. 1:35:04.000 --> 1:35:08.400 Care, absolutely not, They're just doing business and like they're 1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:10.800 just they're these these are just bad patrons. These are 1:35:10.800 --> 1:35:13.200 simply people that are they're not nice to be around. 1:35:13.479 --> 1:35:15.760 Interact like these types of events like the RNC the 1:35:15.800 --> 1:35:18.120 d and see these are like cities campaign for this 1:35:18.640 --> 1:35:20.800 under the notion that this will like you know, boost 1:35:20.880 --> 1:35:22.920 local business, right, We'll bring a whulench of people from 1:35:22.920 --> 1:35:24.479 out of town. People will get a lot of money 1:35:24.560 --> 1:35:26.640 to all these local businesses. And because of how the 1:35:26.680 --> 1:35:29.840 security set up this year in the in Milwaukee, so 1:35:29.960 --> 1:35:32.520 many businesses just can get no business because they're completely 1:35:32.560 --> 1:35:35.719 inside this like fence perimeter and UH and the rest 1:35:35.720 --> 1:35:38.120 are are not are not seeing very good business from 1:35:38.160 --> 1:35:40.439 what from from what it sounds like, and even even 1:35:40.479 --> 1:35:45.400 like hotels downtown are large largely vacant because of weird, 1:35:45.560 --> 1:35:46.479 weird scheduling area. 1:35:46.600 --> 1:35:49.839 We we went to dinner earlier tonight with some friends 1:35:50.200 --> 1:35:52.680 and we asked one of the restaurant workers, like how 1:35:52.880 --> 1:35:54.800 how it was going, And obviously she said the same 1:35:54.800 --> 1:35:57.160 thing that we've heard so many times, which is not great, 1:35:57.280 --> 1:35:59.200 not good, not making a lot of tips. But what 1:35:59.240 --> 1:36:02.599 was interesting is she said, you know, and they really 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:05.639 tried to throw in our faces that this was going 1:36:05.800 --> 1:36:07.600 to be a good thing for all of us and 1:36:07.680 --> 1:36:09.200 we were all going to make a bunch of money, 1:36:09.479 --> 1:36:12.360 and it's happening. It's just not happening. 1:36:12.400 --> 1:36:15.800 And chatted to Timothy Faust, who was a writer, great writer, 1:36:15.960 --> 1:36:18.920 great guy, and a local here. We had dinner with him, 1:36:19.439 --> 1:36:22.400 and he pointed out that Milwaukee has been and was 1:36:22.439 --> 1:36:25.000 on the verge of bankruptcy still having a lot of 1:36:25.040 --> 1:36:27.599 problems with that, and a big part of why they 1:36:27.680 --> 1:36:32.160 took the RNC was because Republicans in the state legislature 1:36:32.160 --> 1:36:34.639 that was basically the bargaining point, so that they would 1:36:35.120 --> 1:36:38.280 allow a sales tax, which was kind of necessary in 1:36:38.360 --> 1:36:41.720 order to There's more to it than that, but a 1:36:41.720 --> 1:36:44.439 big part of like how the negotiations broke down was 1:36:44.840 --> 1:36:49.160 the Republicans wanted this in order to make it possible 1:36:49.200 --> 1:36:52.600 for the city of Milwaukee to not collapse because it 1:36:52.680 --> 1:36:56.200 was on the verge of bankruptcy. And hearing that made 1:36:56.240 --> 1:36:58.080 a lot of sense, made a lot of things click 1:36:58.120 --> 1:37:00.800 into place, because it does. Everyone one we have talked 1:37:00.800 --> 1:37:03.200 to who is a local and who is working in 1:37:03.280 --> 1:37:06.519 any job that interfaces with the convention and convention goers 1:37:06.840 --> 1:37:08.080 talks like they've been scammed. 1:37:08.680 --> 1:37:11.760 Yeah, and just one more thing before we get into 1:37:11.800 --> 1:37:14.960 the rest of you know, what we experienced speech wise 1:37:15.520 --> 1:37:21.960 and other is the difference in security today versus the outdoor. 1:37:22.040 --> 1:37:25.639 But we went to yesterday for the welcome party. Very surprising, 1:37:25.880 --> 1:37:30.559 very surprising. So just the one to one example I'll 1:37:30.600 --> 1:37:34.479 give you listeners is yesterday they took every single item 1:37:34.600 --> 1:37:37.880 out of my bag that I had after putting through 1:37:37.880 --> 1:37:44.600 a scanner and unzipped everything. Today they zipped it up 1:37:44.600 --> 1:37:46.479 because they didn't want anything to fall out and didn't 1:37:46.479 --> 1:37:48.920 open it, didn't touch a single thing, went through a scanner. 1:37:48.920 --> 1:37:50.959 I was through security in like four seconds. 1:37:51.160 --> 1:37:53.200 Yeah, no, it was. It was super weird, way more 1:37:53.280 --> 1:37:55.800 lax getting into the actual convention center than it was 1:37:55.840 --> 1:37:58.599 to get into the outdoor welcome party, which is just 1:37:58.600 --> 1:38:01.040 a It came off as a little little surprising to us. 1:38:02.280 --> 1:38:04.679 They they had. They made such a big deal about 1:38:04.680 --> 1:38:07.519 what you can and can't bring in and had specific 1:38:07.560 --> 1:38:10.040 measurements for like bags and stuff. But we saw people 1:38:10.080 --> 1:38:13.200 with some of the large, very large background, some bags 1:38:13.200 --> 1:38:16.240 that were bigger than me. And yeah, you know, that's 1:38:16.439 --> 1:38:19.639 just interesting to note. 1:38:19.760 --> 1:38:21.760 One less thing on the service worker thing. On our 1:38:21.840 --> 1:38:24.320 ride home from the RNC or back to the hotel, 1:38:25.160 --> 1:38:27.360 we sat a new in an uber with a very 1:38:27.439 --> 1:38:32.520 nice man who I would describe as the average Wisconsin voter. Yeah, 1:38:32.640 --> 1:38:34.880 he had he had a teamsters shirt, and you know 1:38:35.000 --> 1:38:37.760 of a variety of like of both liberal and kind 1:38:37.800 --> 1:38:41.000 of conservative opinions. You know, it's I think he kind 1:38:41.000 --> 1:38:43.240 of leaned more liberal, but he certainly had, you know, 1:38:44.080 --> 1:38:47.920 of of a variety of opinions. And he was both 1:38:47.920 --> 1:38:50.000 expressing the same thing in regards to tips, but also 1:38:50.600 --> 1:38:53.280 a men's frustration at the way police were treating locals. 1:38:53.280 --> 1:38:56.080 The way police were treating local drivers. Just the sheer 1:38:56.120 --> 1:38:58.840 influx of of cops just to have have made have 1:38:58.880 --> 1:39:02.120 made functioning in this city just so challenging to any 1:39:02.120 --> 1:39:04.799 of these locals. And yeah, that was a very fascinating 1:39:04.800 --> 1:39:07.519 conversation that we might discuss that at a later time. Well, 1:39:07.560 --> 1:39:11.640 we will talk about now are Catholics those those little fiends. 1:39:12.280 --> 1:39:17.880 So after the very like evangelical Children of Abraham prayer 1:39:17.960 --> 1:39:20.599 that that we talked about in our in our archival audio, 1:39:21.360 --> 1:39:23.519 as soon as we came back for the second session, 1:39:24.280 --> 1:39:28.280 there was an opening prayer led by the Archbishop of Milwaukee, 1:39:28.680 --> 1:39:30.720 which is kind of interesting because a lot of the 1:39:30.880 --> 1:39:34.800 intendees here are very evangelical. These are not Catholics, And 1:39:34.840 --> 1:39:36.600 there you could definitely see there is you know, a 1:39:36.640 --> 1:39:39.120 little a little bit of groans amongst among some of 1:39:39.160 --> 1:39:41.759 these people. And I found it a very interesting move. 1:39:41.720 --> 1:39:45.439 To somebody who talked shit on the Catholics earlier. The 1:39:45.520 --> 1:39:47.800 l the old lady that we that or at least 1:39:47.880 --> 1:39:50.680 that I was talking to last night at the party, 1:39:50.920 --> 1:39:53.840 made a couple of comments about Catholics because she doesn't 1:39:53.840 --> 1:39:57.280 believe they really worship Jesus because pop Catholics. Yeah, and 1:39:57.560 --> 1:39:59.800 well it's not even the papstries because Catholics. This is 1:39:59.800 --> 1:40:02.240 a that born again have an issue with Catholicism is 1:40:02.600 --> 1:40:05.000 don't believe you have to accept Christ to go to heaven, 1:40:05.400 --> 1:40:08.840 Like if you do good things, Catholics think you can 1:40:08.880 --> 1:40:11.600 go to heaven. Sure, And that is deeply offensive to 1:40:11.680 --> 1:40:15.559 a sizable chunk of the Christian community in the United States. Yeah, 1:40:15.560 --> 1:40:17.000 so I found that very interesting. 1:40:17.240 --> 1:40:20.960 Wasn't really expecting to see an opening Catholic prayer that 1:40:22.160 --> 1:40:24.519 I want to talk to some more people tomorrow about. 1:40:24.560 --> 1:40:27.720 That is Chance's Catholic that that makes it. 1:40:27.720 --> 1:40:31.360 That's probably why is a Catholic convert just like the 1:40:31.400 --> 1:40:34.320 Red Scare girl. He is a Catholic convert millennial who 1:40:34.360 --> 1:40:36.000 has taken a bunch of money from Peter Teel. 1:40:36.560 --> 1:40:39.280 Many such cases. So one of the first people to 1:40:39.280 --> 1:40:46.439 speak after this archbishop was famed Republican figure Marjorie Taylor Green, 1:40:46.680 --> 1:40:49.320 who we could have a lot to say, but I 1:40:49.360 --> 1:40:52.519 think the first thing that I want to mention is 1:40:52.560 --> 1:40:58.639 that she feels more representative of most of the RNC 1:40:58.720 --> 1:41:02.280 attendees and anyone else who we've seen speak like she 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:06.120 She has the same energy and vibe as most of 1:41:06.120 --> 1:41:09.120 the attendees like that. That is why they love her 1:41:09.200 --> 1:41:11.080 so much, because she is one of them, to the 1:41:11.080 --> 1:41:14.120 point where she she was like a Republican fan who 1:41:14.160 --> 1:41:15.920 just happened to get into office, and now she's this 1:41:16.040 --> 1:41:19.240 major figure. She was the ascot exactly. 1:41:18.880 --> 1:41:22.880 And was a lot more popular than dance. Oh yeah, 1:41:22.960 --> 1:41:24.080 in terms of floor reaction. 1:41:24.520 --> 1:41:27.479 No, she she is. She is beloved among this crowd. 1:41:27.840 --> 1:41:31.080 She she's she is them right. The audience members can 1:41:31.120 --> 1:41:34.680 see her, and they can they can see themselves in her. 1:41:35.280 --> 1:41:37.559 And she got the biggest reaction out of out of 1:41:37.560 --> 1:41:40.240 the crowd. Probably saved for Trump making a short appearance, 1:41:40.680 --> 1:41:42.840 but her speech had the biggest reaction. And we will 1:41:42.880 --> 1:41:45.240 we will get to that now. One one of the 1:41:45.240 --> 1:41:47.560 first things she said is you're talking about the assassination 1:41:47.640 --> 1:41:50.920 attempt and stuff is that Trump. She referred to him 1:41:50.920 --> 1:41:55.760 as the founding father of the America First Movement, which 1:41:55.800 --> 1:41:58.120 is a lot of interesting loaded language there. 1:41:58.200 --> 1:41:59.559 There are a lot of words there. 1:42:00.120 --> 1:42:03.760 Very extremely loaded language for the founding father of the 1:42:03.800 --> 1:42:08.040 America First Movement. She then spoke about the wonderful family 1:42:08.120 --> 1:42:11.800 man whose life was unfortunately cut short from getting shot 1:42:11.920 --> 1:42:15.559 in the attempted assassination attempt of Donald Trump, saying that 1:42:15.560 --> 1:42:20.280 that Corey embodied the America First spirit. But no, she 1:42:20.400 --> 1:42:23.160 she she had all of all of the typical lines 1:42:23.160 --> 1:42:24.720 that you would say about someone who was who was 1:42:24.800 --> 1:42:27.720 killed in an incident like this, And and then she 1:42:27.840 --> 1:42:30.200 talked about the thing that got the loudest applause out 1:42:30.200 --> 1:42:33.400 of anything else today, which is which is the whole 1:42:33.560 --> 1:42:39.000 gender ideology issue. She talked about how how President Biden 1:42:39.200 --> 1:42:42.640 turned Easter into transvisibility Day, which. 1:42:43.000 --> 1:42:46.120 Is factually true because. 1:42:45.640 --> 1:42:48.880 Easter changes holidays transvisibility days on the same day, you know, 1:42:48.960 --> 1:42:51.080 a bit, but Easter changes the actual day it's on. 1:42:51.240 --> 1:42:54.479 But that got a massive boo And there was people 1:42:54.479 --> 1:42:57.040 sitting next to us who were just shouting evil, just 1:42:57.400 --> 1:43:00.360 super loud shouting evil. And this is this is the 1:43:00.360 --> 1:43:03.479 most hyped up I've ever seen the crowd. You know, 1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:05.960 all the other mentions there were, there was a few 1:43:05.960 --> 1:43:08.280 other mentions about you know, men and women's sports, that 1:43:08.360 --> 1:43:11.120 kind of thing that got you know, the big biggest, 1:43:11.280 --> 1:43:13.920 the biggest booze and the biggest cheers, like respectively. You know, 1:43:13.960 --> 1:43:16.800 people saying there are only two genders. We're brave enough 1:43:16.800 --> 1:43:18.760 to say it. We're going to keep saying it. That 1:43:19.080 --> 1:43:21.599 hyped up the crowd just just more than anything else. 1:43:21.760 --> 1:43:27.440 Yeah, she said, be clear here there are only two genders, 1:43:27.800 --> 1:43:31.520 and the crowd went just nuts bananas. 1:43:31.680 --> 1:43:34.400 She right after that made a statement about needing to 1:43:34.400 --> 1:43:36.920 stop sending money to Ukraine, that Zelenski was going to 1:43:36.960 --> 1:43:40.280 embezzle or something about half the volume like not not 1:43:40.680 --> 1:43:41.560 a tiny. 1:43:42.400 --> 1:43:44.759 Compared to the rest of the cheering of a pretty loud. 1:43:44.640 --> 1:43:46.840 Reaction, like not a bad reaction, but it was clearly 1:43:46.880 --> 1:43:49.200 about half the volume with the anti transfer and. 1:43:49.479 --> 1:43:53.000 Mind you listeners she spoke for like what it was 1:43:53.040 --> 1:43:53.880 like three minutes top. 1:43:54.080 --> 1:43:57.040 Yeah, I would be surprised if the whole speech typed 1:43:57.040 --> 1:43:58.280 out was more than about a page. 1:43:58.400 --> 1:44:02.080 No, it was wild and she had basically a bullet 1:44:02.120 --> 1:44:04.960 point list of like hate speech. 1:44:05.080 --> 1:44:07.280 If I I kind of want to go back through 1:44:07.720 --> 1:44:10.320 video of the I remember the speeches at the twenty 1:44:10.360 --> 1:44:14.760 sixteen RNC being longer, but that was a million years ago. Yeah. 1:44:14.840 --> 1:44:18.040 Now she had the you know, the the usual comments 1:44:18.040 --> 1:44:20.400 about you know, how we have to stop the globalists, 1:44:20.800 --> 1:44:23.880 the wealthy and the powerful few, which is which is 1:44:23.920 --> 1:44:26.479 just an interesting thing to speak to an RNC crowd 1:44:26.520 --> 1:44:30.160 because it's one of the most powerful, the wealthy, powerful few. 1:44:30.200 --> 1:44:32.880 You are talking to them, and her the line that 1:44:32.880 --> 1:44:35.080 came right before this was talking about how how we 1:44:35.120 --> 1:44:37.920 have to stand up against the establishment who promise unity 1:44:38.160 --> 1:44:41.920 but promote division. And I'm like, this is this is 1:44:42.000 --> 1:44:43.600 this is the most We're all trying to find the 1:44:43.640 --> 1:44:45.840 guy who did this moment. Ever, right you're you're talking 1:44:45.840 --> 1:44:49.880 about how there's there's these these powerful establishment figures who 1:44:50.120 --> 1:44:52.840 talk about unity but actually just promote division, and like 1:44:53.240 --> 1:44:56.120 you were, you were talking about yourself and all the 1:44:56.160 --> 1:44:58.080 times that these like these like people who work in 1:44:58.200 --> 1:45:02.240 Washington start bashing like the establishment and stuff like you 1:45:02.240 --> 1:45:05.559 you are the establishment, that is you, that that is 1:45:05.640 --> 1:45:09.160 your job, but that those are very very common talking 1:45:09.200 --> 1:45:11.360 points and stuff like that. I'm sure many listeners are 1:45:11.360 --> 1:45:13.559 familiar with this, with this sort of like double speak 1:45:14.040 --> 1:45:16.360 and and yeah, that was her speech. Definitely the biggest 1:45:16.400 --> 1:45:19.519 reaction we saw the crowd have. Trump and his family 1:45:19.560 --> 1:45:21.720 made a very brief appearance, kind of kind of a 1:45:21.760 --> 1:45:25.720 surprise appearance, but to some people's surprise, he didn't He 1:45:25.760 --> 1:45:28.040 didn't actually give a speech. He instead, I think, took 1:45:28.080 --> 1:45:30.599 which was the smarter play, show up with a very 1:45:30.680 --> 1:45:34.799 large bandage on his ear and instead sit down and listen, 1:45:34.920 --> 1:45:37.760 just become part of the audience. It's an interesting movie. 1:45:38.320 --> 1:45:41.040 He didn't immediately like take over the convention. No, he's 1:45:41.080 --> 1:45:42.960 kind of playing this more like statesman role. 1:45:43.200 --> 1:45:46.920 He almost looked like he was tearing up. 1:45:47.280 --> 1:45:48.160 Yeah, yeah, he did. 1:45:48.400 --> 1:45:49.760 He was sitting in the crowd. 1:45:49.680 --> 1:45:54.839 Quiet, subdued, even Yep, he looked worried at point, worried, anxious, 1:45:54.960 --> 1:45:57.280 or somber. I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised if 1:45:57.280 --> 1:45:59.639 it was a natural reaction to being in your first 1:45:59.720 --> 1:46:01.599 crowd after being shot and nearly died. 1:46:01.840 --> 1:46:03.760 Yeah, the last time you were in a crowd. 1:46:04.280 --> 1:46:06.519 Like he is a person, right, That's just how people 1:46:06.560 --> 1:46:09.160 react oftentimes when that kind of thing happens. 1:46:09.200 --> 1:46:12.519 Yeah, I know. He was sitting next to Tucker Carlson, JD. Vans, 1:46:12.600 --> 1:46:16.240 and Michael and and Mike Johnson with his kids sitting 1:46:16.280 --> 1:46:16.920 behind him. 1:46:19.040 --> 1:46:21.519 Look, when you have a near death experience, you know, 1:46:21.680 --> 1:46:24.120 when somebody somebody shoots at you and damn near hits, 1:46:24.520 --> 1:46:27.519 it crystallizes a lot. You know what's really important, and 1:46:27.560 --> 1:46:29.040 you also know what you don't want to waste your 1:46:29.080 --> 1:46:31.720 time with anymore. And that's that's why the Trump kids 1:46:31.760 --> 1:46:34.120 were in the back of that, the back of the crowd. 1:46:34.520 --> 1:46:36.799 He doesn't want them anywhere near him. Life is short. 1:46:37.080 --> 1:46:39.799 I just want to point out what they showed trumple 1:46:39.880 --> 1:46:44.400 the screed with with Mike Tucker and who is the 1:46:44.439 --> 1:46:48.479 fourth person, Jni Man's I've already forgot his face curiously 1:46:48.560 --> 1:46:54.360 goes nightmare blood rotation, and they are. 1:46:54.240 --> 1:46:57.360 Correct, and that that was day one of the convention. 1:46:57.479 --> 1:46:59.240 That way, I do want to get into one other 1:46:59.280 --> 1:47:03.080 thing because this again, we had a big don't panic 1:47:03.120 --> 1:47:05.800 episode a day or two before this. You'll have heard 1:47:05.840 --> 1:47:09.559 one episode in between those two and posting stuff today, 1:47:09.800 --> 1:47:13.200 posting comments on like how extreme the rhetoric is. I 1:47:13.200 --> 1:47:15.439 see people getting scared again. You should like, you should 1:47:15.439 --> 1:47:18.919 be very concerned if here is not an unreasonable reaction 1:47:19.040 --> 1:47:22.160 to seeing all this happen. But this is also something 1:47:22.160 --> 1:47:25.679 that I think will contextualize the scale of the actual 1:47:25.760 --> 1:47:27.960 number of people that we're talking about here. When we 1:47:27.960 --> 1:47:30.400 were sitting, we found a quiet place to record the 1:47:30.439 --> 1:47:32.599 middle bit that you heard. So we were in kind 1:47:32.600 --> 1:47:34.720 of an empty area, and I would say close to 1:47:34.800 --> 1:47:37.400 half of the or about right about half, maybe even 1:47:37.400 --> 1:47:41.040 a little more of the actual stadium was empty, and 1:47:41.520 --> 1:47:43.360 most of them were clustered in the area that had 1:47:43.400 --> 1:47:44.760 and so there were a lot of areas where there's 1:47:44.800 --> 1:47:48.160 just absolutely nobody. And several times, what was it, three 1:47:48.240 --> 1:47:51.160 or four times, Sophie, probably we had different people who 1:47:51.200 --> 1:47:54.320 were I either worked for the RNC or worked for 1:47:54.360 --> 1:47:57.479 the venue come by, but I'm guessing the RNC, just 1:47:57.520 --> 1:47:58.719 because of their general vibe. 1:47:58.800 --> 1:48:01.400 Yeah, and because the lens, Yeah, to try to get 1:48:01.479 --> 1:48:03.880 us too, because even the areas that were full had 1:48:03.920 --> 1:48:06.200 a lot of patches in them, they weren't all that full. 1:48:06.280 --> 1:48:07.680 So they wanted to get us to get up from 1:48:07.680 --> 1:48:10.799 the empty areas and move to fill in the areas 1:48:10.840 --> 1:48:13.080 that were going to be on camera so it looked 1:48:13.160 --> 1:48:15.880 like it was fuller, and they did that because it 1:48:15.960 --> 1:48:19.000 was not very full. Now, as someone it's not very 1:48:19.000 --> 1:48:21.280 full because this is a political convention. It is not 1:48:21.360 --> 1:48:23.439 open to the masses. I don't know that it would 1:48:23.439 --> 1:48:25.120 have filled up it was open to the masses, but 1:48:26.439 --> 1:48:30.400 there's an inherently limited guest list. But it did seem 1:48:30.439 --> 1:48:32.920 to be less people than I recall from the twenty 1:48:32.920 --> 1:48:37.800 sixteen RNC. And more to the point, everything that you 1:48:37.840 --> 1:48:40.000 see and everything we're talking about, and all of the 1:48:40.240 --> 1:48:43.120 extremity and the weirdness of these in a lot of 1:48:43.120 --> 1:48:50.400 cases freaks, assholes, creeps that we see. This is a 1:48:50.479 --> 1:48:55.200 couple of thousand of the most dedicated Republicans in the country. 1:48:55.240 --> 1:48:57.600 This is the elite of the party. These are the 1:48:57.680 --> 1:49:00.519 people who have a lot of the money, if not 1:49:00.960 --> 1:49:03.840 most of it, and a lot do a lot of 1:49:03.880 --> 1:49:07.200 the nuts and bolts of making the Republican Party run. 1:49:07.840 --> 1:49:10.760 These are not representative of most of the people who 1:49:10.840 --> 1:49:13.280 live around you, unless you live in a place that 1:49:13.479 --> 1:49:16.479 is real hardcore Trump country, in which case a lot 1:49:16.479 --> 1:49:19.559 of these folks are familiar. But they but they got 1:49:19.560 --> 1:49:21.000 a lot more money than your neighbors, I'll tell you 1:49:21.040 --> 1:49:22.560 that much. Yeah. 1:49:22.720 --> 1:49:24.599 No, And it is worth pointing out that they were 1:49:24.600 --> 1:49:26.280 trying to make an effort to move people around to 1:49:26.320 --> 1:49:29.120 make the seats look more full. Because also everything that 1:49:29.160 --> 1:49:32.160 we're also seeing is theater. There's all these rituals that 1:49:32.200 --> 1:49:35.080 they're doing to confirm confirm the nomination. It's like it's 1:49:35.280 --> 1:49:38.560 a very it's very ritualized, very theatrical experience. 1:49:38.880 --> 1:49:39.120 Yeah. 1:49:39.160 --> 1:49:42.360 There is one point where Robert and Gear we're walking 1:49:42.400 --> 1:49:45.360 around and I was sitting in our intersection by myself, 1:49:45.600 --> 1:49:50.439 and I had three separate twenty something males come up 1:49:50.439 --> 1:49:54.080 to me to try to give me Trump signs, and uh, 1:49:54.880 --> 1:49:58.400 all three, in a very unsettling way, pointed out that 1:49:58.439 --> 1:50:05.680 I was sitting alone and it made me feel very unsafe. 1:50:06.560 --> 1:50:08.360 Yeah, welcome to the Republican Party. 1:50:08.160 --> 1:50:08.880 So correct. 1:50:10.160 --> 1:50:14.160 Yeah, and as they pointed out earlier, definitely a lot 1:50:14.200 --> 1:50:16.080 of unwanted touching. 1:50:16.960 --> 1:50:20.760 But he you know, welcome to the Republican Party. And 1:50:20.880 --> 1:50:23.400 you know what it's touching. 1:50:23.680 --> 1:50:27.240 Unwanted touching is essentially part of the main party platform. 1:50:27.840 --> 1:50:31.479 It literally and it is only day one. 1:50:31.560 --> 1:50:34.000 It is day one, four, well, three more to go, 1:50:34.720 --> 1:50:36.960 and we will be covering it a night. 1:50:37.560 --> 1:50:42.840 We'll be back tomorrow with morey any final thoughts anyone. 1:50:42.880 --> 1:50:44.400 Nope, nope. 1:50:44.439 --> 1:50:45.840 Tip your service workers. 1:50:48.160 --> 1:51:12.120 And wash your hands. 1:51:04.320 --> 1:51:07.560 Welcome back to it could happen here a podcast recorded 1:51:07.640 --> 1:51:11.280 at the Republican National Convention, which I do not very 1:51:11.400 --> 1:51:13.519 much like. We're having a great time. 1:51:13.360 --> 1:51:15.400 Though, well not really. This is the worst day we've 1:51:15.400 --> 1:51:15.920 had so far. 1:51:16.120 --> 1:51:18.120 This is one of the worst days I've ever had. Yeah, 1:51:18.200 --> 1:51:20.439 we did get to talk with Rudy Giuliani, which was 1:51:20.479 --> 1:51:23.439 a highlight of the day. Hearing more about that later, 1:51:23.479 --> 1:51:26.000 but first let's go around. Let you know who's going 1:51:26.080 --> 1:51:28.559 to be talking on this episode. First off, we've got 1:51:28.600 --> 1:51:33.400 Garrison Davis hello, finally identified as she her by the 1:51:33.439 --> 1:51:34.760 Secret Service. There you go. 1:51:34.960 --> 1:51:36.240 Congrats, They're going woke. 1:51:36.360 --> 1:51:38.599 They're going woke. That's why it happened. That's what Rudy 1:51:38.640 --> 1:51:42.439 talked about, and I guess he was right. And then 1:51:42.520 --> 1:51:50.040 speaking of woke, de supervisor Sophie Lichterman. 1:51:51.520 --> 1:51:52.479 I've had a day. 1:51:52.960 --> 1:51:57.960 Yeah, I'll bet make fun of me. We are in 1:51:58.080 --> 1:52:00.960 the like the chunk of the there's like the main 1:52:01.080 --> 1:52:04.719 stadium where all of the very red and botox people 1:52:04.760 --> 1:52:07.120 give their speeches, and then there's this part where all 1:52:07.120 --> 1:52:09.840 of the different like media companies have booths set up. 1:52:09.920 --> 1:52:12.680 Iheart's got a booth. There a very large booth very 1:52:12.760 --> 1:52:15.000 large booth, and we are kind of above that right 1:52:15.000 --> 1:52:17.800 now because it's a relatively quiet place to record. 1:52:17.680 --> 1:52:21.240 For some visuals. Here we are sitting in this part 1:52:21.280 --> 1:52:22.800 of a arena. 1:52:22.720 --> 1:52:24.439 The Panther Arena, the Panther Arena. 1:52:24.479 --> 1:52:28.519 There's red carpet everywhere, and there are cubicle style booths 1:52:28.600 --> 1:52:30.640 for various publications. 1:52:30.720 --> 1:52:32.639 Let's see, I see O A N. 1:52:33.120 --> 1:52:35.960 We are sitting right above the iHeart to end the 1:52:36.120 --> 1:52:39.320 Daily Wire booth. They have a whole wall of Matt Walsh, 1:52:39.320 --> 1:52:41.320 a wall of Walls Walsh, if you will. 1:52:41.400 --> 1:52:43.639 Bright Bart's got a tiny little cue, very small. 1:52:43.680 --> 1:52:46.280 Frank's speech has a little booth, you know, a lot 1:52:46.280 --> 1:52:47.680 of a lot of local radio, you know. 1:52:47.720 --> 1:52:50.599 For there was that when we met Rudy earlier today, 1:52:50.640 --> 1:52:53.240 he was a the wvo in booth, which is a 1:52:53.280 --> 1:52:56.240 local radio station. They did not let him speak this 1:52:56.320 --> 1:52:58.880 year at the r n C. Did not really seem 1:52:58.920 --> 1:53:00.840 to want him to be here. That's too bad. He 1:53:00.880 --> 1:53:04.160 claimed to be happy that that was the case. Well, yeah, 1:53:04.280 --> 1:53:06.880 interesting guy. Took a little tumble today. Took a little 1:53:06.880 --> 1:53:10.360 tumble today, fell and then kept falling on the floor 1:53:10.360 --> 1:53:12.920 of the event. Classic Rudy. And when we went to 1:53:13.000 --> 1:53:16.519 lunch earlier and wound up in the same room as 1:53:16.520 --> 1:53:20.040 Ted Cruz briefly, who was also at that restaurant. A 1:53:20.160 --> 1:53:23.120 lady came up to us, a Republican alternate delegate, and said, 1:53:23.160 --> 1:53:28.200 are you a band? Are you musicians? You look like musicians? 1:53:28.240 --> 1:53:31.520 Solely based off of Robert having tattoos. 1:53:31.680 --> 1:53:33.479 I do think it was entirely based on the fact 1:53:33.479 --> 1:53:33.960 that I have to. 1:53:34.280 --> 1:53:36.200 We probably look cooler than anyone else here. 1:53:36.360 --> 1:53:38.920 Thank you, thank you, I said, we that's the first 1:53:38.960 --> 1:53:41.120 time you've said that to me, Garrison, and it really 1:53:41.280 --> 1:53:44.080 you know what, I took a convention. 1:53:44.240 --> 1:53:47.520 I took a convention republics older than my grandparents. 1:53:48.160 --> 1:53:52.280 I will say that at this restaurant, the restaurant worker 1:53:52.360 --> 1:53:54.920 did give us all free shots of vodka because she 1:53:55.000 --> 1:53:56.800 said we had looked like we had had a week. 1:53:57.360 --> 1:53:59.080 And boy, howdy is she right. 1:53:59.200 --> 1:54:00.800 I'm sure she's been having one too. 1:54:00.960 --> 1:54:03.439 Yeah, she was very nice. So Garon, Robert, you want 1:54:03.439 --> 1:54:05.759 to take me We weren't together for most of today. 1:54:06.040 --> 1:54:07.760 Do you want to take me through your day? And 1:54:07.680 --> 1:54:09.680 then I can tell you about. 1:54:09.439 --> 1:54:10.720 My really fun day. 1:54:11.040 --> 1:54:11.400 God. 1:54:11.560 --> 1:54:15.439 Yeah, so we'll start by talking about our morning. So 1:54:15.560 --> 1:54:19.599 yesterday was a pro Palestine March that was Monday. From Monday, 1:54:19.680 --> 1:54:21.880 Fronce kind of build us a march on the RNC. 1:54:22.600 --> 1:54:26.000 It was a sizable demonstration, at least five hundred. 1:54:26.040 --> 1:54:28.599 At least five hundred I'm cluded to me the exact numbers, 1:54:28.600 --> 1:54:31.320 but not tiny March is a little bit of a misnumber. 1:54:31.360 --> 1:54:33.400 It was located in the park that's kind of closest 1:54:33.480 --> 1:54:36.560 to the RNC security area today. It was a very 1:54:36.560 --> 1:54:40.080 different vibe. There were counter protesters, but there were also 1:54:40.200 --> 1:54:42.040 like there was like a church group who was there 1:54:42.040 --> 1:54:42.600 with signs. 1:54:42.640 --> 1:54:46.600 It's like a Westboro Baptist church styles the street preacher group. 1:54:46.720 --> 1:54:48.120 They do not like Catholics. 1:54:48.200 --> 1:54:51.880 They don't like gay people or Catholics, or fornication or adultery, 1:54:51.920 --> 1:54:54.200 that sort of thing. You know, if you can picture 1:54:54.520 --> 1:54:56.720 the big signs that people carry around, it's. 1:54:56.920 --> 1:54:58.920 That sounds sounds fun. Guys. 1:54:59.320 --> 1:55:01.760 We saw an amazing T shirt today, Robert, do you 1:55:01.840 --> 1:55:03.280 do you have a do you have a recollection of 1:55:03.640 --> 1:55:05.280 the best T shirt that we saw today? 1:55:05.440 --> 1:55:09.400 Oh God, is that the prolapsed rectum tissure is atal 1:55:09.400 --> 1:55:12.440 sex equals prolapsed rectum? And then wow, god, it felt 1:55:12.440 --> 1:55:15.800 like a John quote. There was a book of the 1:55:15.800 --> 1:55:18.320 Bible that I know does not refer directly to prolapsed 1:55:18.320 --> 1:55:21.840 rectors romans romans Paul, So you know Paul was not 1:55:21.880 --> 1:55:23.120 talking about rectums. 1:55:23.320 --> 1:55:25.560 Well, but Paul is the most homophobic out of all 1:55:25.560 --> 1:55:28.160 the New Testament writers. But basically we talked to some 1:55:28.160 --> 1:55:30.360 of these types of people gathered at this little this 1:55:30.400 --> 1:55:32.600 little squares little park. There was maybe like one or 1:55:32.640 --> 1:55:36.320 two people protesting the RNC itself, just holding signs, you know, 1:55:36.440 --> 1:55:38.720 someone with a megaphone, But the rest of the people 1:55:38.800 --> 1:55:42.440 gathered where these were these street preacher types. And then 1:55:42.720 --> 1:55:45.560 we went over to this media section earlier this morning. 1:55:45.560 --> 1:55:48.440 That's where we talked to our good are now good friend, 1:55:48.480 --> 1:55:49.320 Rudy Giuliani. 1:55:49.720 --> 1:55:53.640 So again, if you're picturing this floor, it's like a 1:55:53.680 --> 1:55:56.040 bunch of large cubicles. So you've ever been to a 1:55:56.080 --> 1:55:58.240 trade show, it looks like a trade show, right, But 1:55:58.360 --> 1:56:01.640 each of the cubicles is a different radio station or 1:56:01.680 --> 1:56:05.680 internet media company. And Rudy was just sort of chilling 1:56:05.800 --> 1:56:09.960 at a local radio station booth with Laura Lumer When 1:56:10.000 --> 1:56:13.240 we first walked up Amazing vibes, she thanked God love 1:56:13.320 --> 1:56:16.720 and I will say Laura Lumor famous on the internet 1:56:16.760 --> 1:56:20.560 for looking very peculiar, one of the more normal looking 1:56:20.560 --> 1:56:21.120 people at the. 1:56:21.120 --> 1:56:23.240 RNC, which I don't think is a testament to how 1:56:23.280 --> 1:56:26.920 normal Laura Lumor looks. It's a testament to the types 1:56:26.920 --> 1:56:28.760 of people that we are seeing every day at the 1:56:28.880 --> 1:56:32.440 RNC that everyone kind of looks a little Lumor esque. Yeah, 1:56:32.520 --> 1:56:35.600 so she looks a little bit less bizarre in comparison 1:56:35.680 --> 1:56:38.120 to just everyone else we're seeing, who all has, you know, 1:56:38.200 --> 1:56:41.240 a curious amount of facial surgeries, Yeah going on that 1:56:41.320 --> 1:56:43.680 makes them just look just look a little different, just. 1:56:43.640 --> 1:56:46.120 A little different. We saw the Fox News had anchored 1:56:46.120 --> 1:56:49.560 today whose face was as smooth as a baby's ass. 1:56:49.800 --> 1:56:50.960 It looked like carved marble. 1:56:51.080 --> 1:56:53.720 It looked like carved marble and was clearly bloated with 1:56:53.760 --> 1:56:54.720 Bachelin toxin. 1:56:55.200 --> 1:56:55.840 Incredible. 1:56:56.120 --> 1:56:58.280 Yeah, it was a beautiful man, Sophie, He was a 1:56:58.280 --> 1:56:58.840 beautiful man. 1:56:59.000 --> 1:57:01.000 I thank YOUSU is retinall well, he must. 1:57:00.840 --> 1:57:03.600 Use retinal And he had a chin as wide as 1:57:03.720 --> 1:57:06.200 like glory days. Bruce Campbell, very wide face. 1:57:06.320 --> 1:57:09.320 I bet he never forgot to wear sunscreen unlike you two. 1:57:09.720 --> 1:57:11.560 So yeah, kind of the last thing we did at 1:57:11.560 --> 1:57:13.600 the convention before coming back was. We had a little 1:57:13.600 --> 1:57:17.480 conversation with Rudy, primarily about Ukraine. His basic stance is 1:57:17.480 --> 1:57:19.840 that Ukraine is stealing all of the money that the 1:57:19.960 --> 1:57:22.600 government gives it. When I pointed out that that money 1:57:22.680 --> 1:57:26.400 was primarily coming in military subsidies and like military weapons, 1:57:26.400 --> 1:57:29.200 he said they were stealing the weapons and selling them. 1:57:29.240 --> 1:57:31.240 And I asked to who, and he said he didn't know, 1:57:31.320 --> 1:57:33.720 at which point his handler got him out of there, 1:57:33.760 --> 1:57:36.880 and we wound up walking over to the iHeart booth 1:57:36.880 --> 1:57:39.800 where one of our coworkers, Dan O'Donnell, who's a more 1:57:39.800 --> 1:57:42.440 conservative guy in the network, but who through a law 1:57:42.480 --> 1:57:45.480 enforcement contact, got the story that a man had just 1:57:45.520 --> 1:57:48.640 been shot outside of the RNC security zone, but by 1:57:48.760 --> 1:57:51.440 police who were in town for the RNC. It wound 1:57:51.520 --> 1:57:54.960 up that they are Columbus, Ohio police, So we rushed 1:57:55.040 --> 1:57:57.280 down there, split up with him pretty quickly because I 1:57:57.320 --> 1:58:00.879 think he was mostly interested in talking to the police scene, 1:58:00.920 --> 1:58:04.760 and we wound up right in the middle of you know, 1:58:04.800 --> 1:58:07.920 what is the poorest neighborhood in Milwaukee, the poorest zip 1:58:07.920 --> 1:58:10.600 code in the state, one of the highest rates of 1:58:10.600 --> 1:58:14.400 incarceration in the country. It is a deeply deprived area. 1:58:14.640 --> 1:58:18.120 The first guy we talked to. He was with Lighthouse 1:58:18.760 --> 1:58:21.360 Ministries I think was the name of the organization, which 1:58:21.360 --> 1:58:23.600 is essentially he was running like a Christian halfway house, 1:58:23.680 --> 1:58:27.360 and we saw another larger halfway house even closer to 1:58:27.440 --> 1:58:29.880 the shooting, Like there were two half way houses effectively 1:58:29.960 --> 1:58:32.920 right next to each other. That's the kind of neighborhood 1:58:32.920 --> 1:58:37.160 this was. And when we got there, police had just 1:58:37.200 --> 1:58:40.040 started setting up cordons. They had started it with about 1:58:40.080 --> 1:58:42.880 a block or two fenced off with police tapes, but 1:58:42.920 --> 1:58:45.720 were widening at every few minutes. They were adding new blocks, 1:58:45.760 --> 1:58:48.360 quickly expanding, and a large number of cops were on scene. 1:58:48.400 --> 1:58:51.120 There were horse cops on scene. We could not get 1:58:51.120 --> 1:58:53.040 close to about a block from the site of the 1:58:53.040 --> 1:58:55.000 shooting itself, but we were able to get into a 1:58:55.040 --> 1:58:57.840 park where there were a lot of local people who 1:58:57.880 --> 1:59:01.240 were very angry at what had happened. And one of 1:59:01.280 --> 1:59:04.000 the first things I encountered was a couple of guys, 1:59:04.120 --> 1:59:05.560 you know, one of whom was filming on his phone 1:59:05.640 --> 1:59:07.520 yelling at the police, a couple of whom were sitting 1:59:07.560 --> 1:59:10.960 in lawn chairs, and one of whom was speaking about 1:59:11.000 --> 1:59:13.440 like you know, who had clearly witnessed the shooting, saying, like, 1:59:14.160 --> 1:59:16.720 you know, they were just having an argument. If you'd 1:59:16.800 --> 1:59:19.920 let us the neighborhood handle it, we would have handled it. 1:59:20.280 --> 1:59:22.000 The most there would have been was a black guy. 1:59:22.120 --> 1:59:24.480 What the fuck is wrong with you guys. We talked 1:59:24.480 --> 1:59:26.680 to him. His name is Emmanual And I'm actually just 1:59:26.760 --> 1:59:29.000 gonna play a clip from that interview with the Manual. 1:59:29.080 --> 1:59:33.080 Right now, here's what all these on the bikes I 1:59:33.120 --> 1:59:34.080 want to let you see now. 1:59:34.680 --> 1:59:36.960 So they parked in the King. 1:59:36.840 --> 1:59:40.720 Center, abum, and they were just basically patrolling watching us, right. 1:59:40.880 --> 1:59:43.880 So the two guys have a little braw about the ball. 1:59:43.960 --> 1:59:47.040 That's about the fight. So they didn't really fight for 1:59:49.840 --> 1:59:54.560 Kobe's shopping Freeze shot him. Empty the clip. Every twelve 1:59:54.640 --> 1:59:55.240 officers on. 1:59:55.200 --> 1:59:58.520 The bike empty their clinton because you speak cockbi Anpty 1:59:58.560 --> 2:00:01.120 the Clintons. And then whenever done, they're turning guns on 2:00:01.200 --> 2:00:03.280 us and then now their person. 2:00:03.040 --> 2:00:05.440 Let's further further away, we're an issue. 2:00:05.160 --> 2:00:07.000 Because they don't want us to tell you guys what 2:00:07.160 --> 2:00:09.800 really happened when they could have tasted in the restident 2:00:09.880 --> 2:00:11.640 city in the jail. They shot him and they was 2:00:11.680 --> 2:00:14.080 going to shoot the other guy and way, so they 2:00:14.120 --> 2:00:19.600 turn the guns are about sixteen of us Robert. Yeah, yeah, 2:00:19.760 --> 2:00:21.680 so yeah, they were others why I didnt shoot because 2:00:21.680 --> 2:00:23.920 they realized their guns were empty, so they caught the backups. 2:00:23.920 --> 2:00:25.680 And that's why they have more backups and more backups 2:00:25.680 --> 2:00:27.120 and the backups, and that's why we. 2:00:27.160 --> 2:00:28.560 Are backing up. 2:00:28.880 --> 2:00:31.480 Yeah, and is that the that's the plan now, is 2:00:31.520 --> 2:00:33.800 my guest? 2:00:34.520 --> 2:00:36.240 Yeah, I don't know if they're think were the r 2:00:36.280 --> 2:00:36.520 n C. 2:00:37.120 --> 2:00:43.160 The yep, tear gas and masks. Well, thank you, Emmanuel, 2:00:43.880 --> 2:00:51.760 nice to meet you. Yeah, yep, tear gas and masks 2:00:49.440 --> 2:00:56.600 and starting to feel like Portland again. And yeah, I 2:00:56.920 --> 2:00:59.120 would say that what a manual said is consistent. We 2:00:59.240 --> 2:01:02.120 talked to two other people who had witnessed the shooting, 2:01:02.160 --> 2:01:03.880 and then a couple other people who had been close by, 2:01:04.400 --> 2:01:06.600 and they all agreed with the gist of what Emmanuel 2:01:06.640 --> 2:01:07.040 had said. 2:01:07.080 --> 2:01:10.440 Well, Manuel told you something before he started recording there 2:01:10.840 --> 2:01:13.560 about how like they felt this was like a very 2:01:13.840 --> 2:01:17.200 very solvable problem. Yeah, for like the community, like this 2:01:17.280 --> 2:01:20.040 is just like an average fight that they could they 2:01:20.040 --> 2:01:22.880 could have ended themselves. Yeah, and you know, in the 2:01:22.920 --> 2:01:25.520 next hour these people would have been friends again. Yeah, 2:01:25.520 --> 2:01:28.440 And instead police from out of state showed up and 2:01:28.480 --> 2:01:29.240 just started shooting. 2:01:29.560 --> 2:01:32.200 And that is what the initial thing we heard through 2:01:32.880 --> 2:01:36.120 our you know, coworker who was talking to law enforcement 2:01:36.320 --> 2:01:39.240 was a man had had a knife or knives was 2:01:39.320 --> 2:01:42.080 brandishing them. Police told him to drop, he didn't and 2:01:42.120 --> 2:01:46.360 they had to shoot him. Locals on scenes said police 2:01:46.400 --> 2:01:49.000 did not tell him to drop anything, ran up and 2:01:49.040 --> 2:01:52.400 just started shooting. And as you heard from Manual, his 2:01:52.720 --> 2:01:55.080 experience at the event was that police then turned their 2:01:55.120 --> 2:01:58.600 guns on the crowd, and you know, he felt threatened 2:01:58.720 --> 2:02:01.440 deeply by this. For reasons that Abous and I will 2:02:01.440 --> 2:02:04.000 say that everyone we talked to in the neighborhood had 2:02:04.040 --> 2:02:07.880 broadly consistent stories. This was not a serious fight, This 2:02:08.080 --> 2:02:10.760 was not a thing that would have escalated to lethal 2:02:10.880 --> 2:02:13.840 violence in the normal course of human events. But a 2:02:13.960 --> 2:02:16.720 huge number of out of state cops rolled up to 2:02:16.800 --> 2:02:21.560 the altercation unnecessarily and drew their guns and started shooting. 2:02:22.240 --> 2:02:26.000 So there was a fairly nice homeless encampment. They had 2:02:26.000 --> 2:02:28.880 a wonderful community garden, really nice garden, just like a 2:02:28.960 --> 2:02:32.280 block away, and we figured, oh, this, this guy might 2:02:32.400 --> 2:02:35.440 might have been houseless, and we started to talk to 2:02:35.480 --> 2:02:38.280 more people who knew him, and yes, we found out 2:02:38.280 --> 2:02:40.760 we actually walked right past his tent on the way 2:02:41.120 --> 2:02:43.240 to the shooting. He had he had a tent by 2:02:43.320 --> 2:02:46.200 himself in this little alleyway. I guess, Robert, you talked 2:02:46.200 --> 2:02:48.520 more to that, to that guy that knew him. 2:02:48.760 --> 2:02:50.680 I talked to a guy who knew him who he 2:02:50.760 --> 2:02:53.640 said his nickname was Jehovah because he was a Jehovah's witness. 2:02:54.160 --> 2:02:56.240 The guy who I was speaking to was a Muslim 2:02:56.280 --> 2:02:58.520 and specifically stated to me, like, you know, I'm a Muslim, 2:02:58.520 --> 2:03:00.480 He's a Jehovah's witness. But we always got it was 2:03:00.520 --> 2:03:03.200 a really nice guy. He didn't deserve this, Like he 2:03:03.280 --> 2:03:05.760 wasn't a dude who generally caused problems. He was not 2:03:05.840 --> 2:03:08.560 a dangerous person. He was maybe a guy who was 2:03:08.560 --> 2:03:10.520 having a little bit of a heated moment with another dude. 2:03:10.560 --> 2:03:12.200 And again there happened to be a bunch of out 2:03:12.200 --> 2:03:15.040 of state cops who decided to make it everyone's problem. 2:03:15.400 --> 2:03:18.000 That was his attitude. And a couple of things were 2:03:18.040 --> 2:03:19.520 notewhere they I mean, we talked to a woman who 2:03:19.600 --> 2:03:21.400 was kind of dropping her daughter off at work who 2:03:21.480 --> 2:03:23.760 lived nearby. This is a lady who lived in a 2:03:23.800 --> 2:03:26.160 little bit nicer of a neighborhood. She wasn't quite there, 2:03:26.200 --> 2:03:29.560 an older black woman who was like, you know, the 2:03:29.600 --> 2:03:32.800 cops show up to do this, but there's no cops. 2:03:32.800 --> 2:03:34.920 Like if this had been any other time of the year, 2:03:35.000 --> 2:03:36.920 there would have been no cops in this neighborhood ever 2:03:36.960 --> 2:03:40.240 at all. Like they're never around when anybody wants them 2:03:40.320 --> 2:03:42.160 to be. But they show up to kill a guy 2:03:42.280 --> 2:03:44.560 because the RNC is in town. And that was very 2:03:44.600 --> 2:03:48.520 much the consistent response we got from everyone in the neighborhood. 2:03:48.560 --> 2:03:50.840 You know, we stayed there a while. Yeah, that's what happened. 2:03:51.040 --> 2:03:53.120 One of the things that I couldn't not notice is 2:03:53.400 --> 2:03:56.360 once we were down in the RNC, you know, earlier 2:03:56.400 --> 2:03:59.760 in the day, very cool, a lot of shade, tall buildings. 2:04:00.280 --> 2:04:05.800 When we were in that neighborhood near a fourteenth and Boulette. 2:04:05.400 --> 2:04:08.560 Right outside the Martin Luther King Junior Community Center. 2:04:08.640 --> 2:04:11.480 Yeah, sun was beating down us. There was very little cover, 2:04:11.720 --> 2:04:15.760 it was very hot. The streets were notably poor repair. 2:04:16.240 --> 2:04:19.200 The buildings were in a lot poorer repair, but there 2:04:19.280 --> 2:04:22.680 was actually also evidence of like street life like here, 2:04:22.880 --> 2:04:27.120 the RNC is all of downtown Milwaukee has been sanitized, right. 2:04:27.040 --> 2:04:29.560 They swept encampment's close to the R and C perimeter 2:04:29.640 --> 2:04:32.280 and stuff. People have had to move around, and no one. 2:04:32.160 --> 2:04:35.000 You encounter lives here right not during the event. That's 2:04:35.040 --> 2:04:36.520 just the way that it goes. A lot of the 2:04:36.520 --> 2:04:39.000 local buildings are shut down. And one of the things 2:04:39.000 --> 2:04:41.240 that was interesting about this was the degree to which 2:04:41.280 --> 2:04:43.880 all of these people in the most deprived neighborhood Milwaukee 2:04:44.560 --> 2:04:47.240 had a really clear understanding of what had happened near 2:04:47.320 --> 2:04:50.160 and around them and knew each other. And we're talking. 2:04:50.240 --> 2:04:51.800 There were a couple of people we saw who were 2:04:51.880 --> 2:04:54.120 going around different chunks within a block or two of 2:04:54.160 --> 2:04:57.920 each other and clearly knew all of their neighbors, which 2:04:58.000 --> 2:05:00.480 was very different from kind of the vibe that we've 2:05:00.480 --> 2:05:03.800 gotten Downtown Milwaukee is as nice as it is, and 2:05:03.840 --> 2:05:05.440 I think we've all really enjoyed the city. One of 2:05:05.440 --> 2:05:07.800 the most segregated cities in the country, and that was 2:05:08.080 --> 2:05:11.400 very clear because I think there was one white person 2:05:11.400 --> 2:05:13.360 who was a resident of the neighborhood that we talked to, 2:05:13.400 --> 2:05:16.160 that woman who was next to the guy who knew Jehovah. 2:05:16.640 --> 2:05:20.320 And I guess that's most of what I have to say. Yeah, 2:05:20.320 --> 2:05:22.080 I mean, more and more place kept showing up. 2:05:22.120 --> 2:05:24.880 There was this basically like a riot squad with mace 2:05:24.960 --> 2:05:28.160 and gas masks showed up. You know, there was biite cops, 2:05:28.160 --> 2:05:31.240 mounted patrol cops. They just they started to flood this area. 2:05:31.560 --> 2:05:34.800 Eventually they slowly kind of you know, dispersed out as 2:05:34.880 --> 2:05:37.120 this scene got more under control and they realized there 2:05:37.360 --> 2:05:40.240 probably wasn't going to be a huge protest at this location. 2:05:40.360 --> 2:05:43.080 I believe there's gonna be a vigil tonight, yeah, at 2:05:43.080 --> 2:05:46.040 eight pm, near the side of the shooting. So yeah, 2:05:46.080 --> 2:05:48.800 I mean, it's just tough to go from the RNC 2:05:49.000 --> 2:05:52.600 with you know, massive police presence all of these extremely wealthy, 2:05:53.040 --> 2:05:57.400 rich white Republicans and then be reminded the real people 2:05:57.640 --> 2:06:01.240 exist and put events like this people get killed by 2:06:01.240 --> 2:06:04.000 police to make sure that that that people feel comfortable, ye, 2:06:04.160 --> 2:06:07.280 going to these sorts of events and just completely unnecessarily. Yeah, 2:06:07.320 --> 2:06:10.000 and that's that's just a good, a good, a good 2:06:10.000 --> 2:06:12.440 reminder every time I walk through one of these police checkpoints. 2:06:13.080 --> 2:06:17.440 Yeah, Donald Donald Trump, you know, survived his brush with 2:06:17.520 --> 2:06:20.960 the shooting. This young man didn't, and he died because 2:06:21.160 --> 2:06:23.600 this event was set up in his town. We know 2:06:23.720 --> 2:06:26.919 that the Secret Service and the you know the other agencies, 2:06:26.960 --> 2:06:28.959 because it wasn't just the Secret Service that was responsible 2:06:28.960 --> 2:06:30.360 for Trump getting shot. There were a lot of other 2:06:30.440 --> 2:06:33.960 law enforcement agencies there failed at their job, you know, 2:06:34.080 --> 2:06:37.400 last Saturday, to stop the former president from getting shot. 2:06:37.480 --> 2:06:40.920 Failed very badly at that. But still at the RNC, 2:06:41.080 --> 2:06:43.520 the only thing that the Security State knows how to 2:06:43.560 --> 2:06:46.080 do is flood the zone with cops. And the only 2:06:46.160 --> 2:06:48.400 thing those cops know how to do is when they 2:06:48.480 --> 2:06:51.640 encounter anything a little bit hostile, draw their guns and 2:06:51.680 --> 2:06:56.320 empty them. You know, that was my impression, And uh yeah, 2:06:56.360 --> 2:06:58.120 I think that's probably all we need to say about 2:06:58.160 --> 2:06:58.840 that right now. 2:06:59.360 --> 2:07:03.200 Sophie tell us about her experience as me and Robert 2:07:03.240 --> 2:07:06.440 were walking around this side of this police murder. After 2:07:06.560 --> 2:07:14.840 this short break. 2:07:15.880 --> 2:07:20.120 And we're back, Well, my colleagues were out on the ground, 2:07:20.240 --> 2:07:25.040 I went to a super super fun event called Giving 2:07:25.080 --> 2:07:29.520 the Americans a Voice town hall hosted by the Moms 2:07:29.600 --> 2:07:34.040 for Liberty. It was interesting, to say the least. It 2:07:34.120 --> 2:07:39.160 was a three hour event with various long event very long, 2:07:40.280 --> 2:07:42.680 and I recorded all of it so we can put 2:07:42.720 --> 2:07:44.360 that out at a later date. Let me just give 2:07:44.400 --> 2:07:47.920 you a quick a quick rundown of what the event was. 2:07:48.320 --> 2:07:51.240 And Moms for Liberty is like a like a lobbying 2:07:51.280 --> 2:07:53.200 group for parental rights. 2:07:53.280 --> 2:07:55.240 Very supportive of banning books. 2:07:55.160 --> 2:07:57.520 Banning books, parental rights, a lot of stuff around education 2:07:57.600 --> 2:08:01.040 in school. They they're very active in Washington. They're the 2:08:01.040 --> 2:08:03.480 sponsor of a lot of these really really like horrible 2:08:03.520 --> 2:08:08.240 bills about limiting information to children, limiting the rights of children, 2:08:08.360 --> 2:08:08.960 that sort of thing. 2:08:09.120 --> 2:08:14.600 Yeah, And additional sponsors for this event where Conservative Partnership Institute, Heritage. 2:08:14.200 --> 2:08:16.879 Characterge Foundation, authors of Project twenty twenty five. 2:08:16.800 --> 2:08:19.280 Young America's. I can't even read this logo. 2:08:19.360 --> 2:08:22.920 It's like the Young Republicans Voting Association. 2:08:22.720 --> 2:08:24.520 Young Americans Foundation. 2:08:24.920 --> 2:08:26.120 We did it, great job. 2:08:26.200 --> 2:08:30.600 And Public Square, which is a very strange app and 2:08:31.000 --> 2:08:33.120 there were three panels and some of the people that 2:08:33.160 --> 2:08:37.400 were featured on the panel were Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida. 2:08:37.280 --> 2:08:39.040 Sarah Huckabee Sanders made an appearance. 2:08:39.080 --> 2:08:42.880 Governor Sarah Huckabye Sanders, Scott Walker, the governor of Wisconsin. 2:08:43.160 --> 2:08:44.640 The governor of Wisconsin was there. 2:08:44.800 --> 2:08:48.040 He opened the governor, the Governor of Wisconsin was there. 2:08:48.160 --> 2:08:48.919 That's upsetting. 2:08:49.280 --> 2:08:50.760 He was like one of the first people who. 2:08:50.640 --> 2:08:52.880 Spoke, not a Senator to the actual governor, the. 2:08:52.840 --> 2:08:57.520 Forty fifth governor Wisconsin, Scott Walker, Yes, correct, various groups 2:08:57.560 --> 2:09:02.839 of attorneys general and get the Senator Oswell Ron Johnson 2:09:03.280 --> 2:09:07.240 of Wisconsin, and it was it was it was a 2:09:07.280 --> 2:09:08.200 strange event. 2:09:08.640 --> 2:09:10.320 What sort of things do they talk about? 2:09:10.480 --> 2:09:15.080 Well, they started off with them giving an excuse that 2:09:15.200 --> 2:09:18.120 the reason why that there was an attempted assassination on 2:09:18.200 --> 2:09:21.520 former President Trump was because of the media falselely compare 2:09:21.600 --> 2:09:24.000 hip to Hitler, to which they said, there is only 2:09:24.200 --> 2:09:24.960 one Hitler. 2:09:25.280 --> 2:09:28.200 There's actually been quite a few Hitlers, although there's less. 2:09:27.960 --> 2:09:30.120 Now also, I would I would like for them to 2:09:30.120 --> 2:09:31.360 feel that question to jd. 2:09:31.480 --> 2:09:34.640 Vance. But anyway, yes, fair enough. 2:09:34.680 --> 2:09:36.520 And then there was, you know, as there are at 2:09:36.560 --> 2:09:39.800 most of these events, there was a prayer and I 2:09:39.840 --> 2:09:42.080 just thought it was super interesting that the person giving 2:09:42.080 --> 2:09:45.240 the prayer referred to the panelists and various speakers as 2:09:45.840 --> 2:09:50.080 great actors, which was just like an interesting word choice 2:09:50.080 --> 2:09:50.280 to me. 2:09:50.680 --> 2:09:56.040 Extensively, like political actors, I would assume. But there's interesting associations. 2:09:55.440 --> 2:09:57.640 And like one of the one of the main things 2:09:57.640 --> 2:10:00.760 that they talked about this event was education, and they 2:10:01.120 --> 2:10:03.200 said their biggest issue that they have in the United 2:10:03.200 --> 2:10:05.920 States is the creation of the federal Department of Education 2:10:06.560 --> 2:10:09.080 and that they were going to change that, which got huge, 2:10:09.680 --> 2:10:12.160 huge cheers from the crowd. They claim that one of 2:10:12.200 --> 2:10:16.120 the reasons why the young man had attempted to assassinate 2:10:16.200 --> 2:10:19.160 Donald Trump was because he had gone to a large school. 2:10:20.200 --> 2:10:23.040 They are very anti large school why. 2:10:22.840 --> 2:10:26.280 Not, and that was one of the main reasons, as 2:10:26.360 --> 2:10:30.520 well as the media referring to foreign President Trump as hitler. 2:10:31.040 --> 2:10:35.600 They were adamant that teachers unions do not protect kids 2:10:35.640 --> 2:10:37.480 and that they are only out for themselves, and that 2:10:37.560 --> 2:10:40.040 all teachers' unions have been infiltrated by the left. 2:10:40.320 --> 2:10:43.360 Well that part is kind of drown yeah, but no, 2:10:43.440 --> 2:10:46.480 I mean attacks on teachers unions are I've seen those 2:10:46.520 --> 2:10:49.040 more in the past four years among a lot of 2:10:49.080 --> 2:10:53.000 either like right wing influencers or actual politicians. The teachers 2:10:53.120 --> 2:10:56.080 unions is a very good boogeyman. Yeah, because some people, 2:10:56.120 --> 2:10:58.880 you know, like their individual teachers. But no, no, no, the 2:10:58.920 --> 2:11:00.440 real problem is that teachers union. 2:11:00.720 --> 2:11:04.920 Yes, that actual distinction was brought up multiple times. There 2:11:04.960 --> 2:11:07.920 you go, there you go, And at one point somebody 2:11:07.960 --> 2:11:10.240 in the back of the room dropped their phone. But 2:11:10.320 --> 2:11:13.080 it was very loud and unsettling noise to the point 2:11:13.080 --> 2:11:15.080 where everybody thought that it might have been a gun, 2:11:15.920 --> 2:11:20.520 and everyone kind of understandably so jumped up and around. 2:11:20.960 --> 2:11:25.680 Oh they're scared of guns. Huh. The Republicans really fucking babies. 2:11:26.000 --> 2:11:30.560 And the overall energy is that they ate the federal government. 2:11:30.600 --> 2:11:33.400 They want things to go back to a local level, 2:11:33.760 --> 2:11:37.600 and that the Left is ruining and grooming children. Lots 2:11:37.640 --> 2:11:41.040 of weird as you can imagine, stuff about gender, lots 2:11:41.080 --> 2:11:41.680 of stuff. 2:11:41.400 --> 2:11:45.360 About consistent some of the biggest, biggest applause. 2:11:45.440 --> 2:11:46.960 Oh, something to note here. 2:11:47.400 --> 2:11:50.520 Anytime Elon Musk was brought up, which was quite a bit, 2:11:50.800 --> 2:11:56.320 the crowd went bat shit. Yeah, huge wild cheers for 2:11:56.960 --> 2:12:01.640 anything to do with Elon, which I thought was, you know, 2:12:01.760 --> 2:12:05.520 not unexpected, but just that, like, he got louder cheers 2:12:05.640 --> 2:12:08.160 than I think he got a louder cheer than when 2:12:08.200 --> 2:12:09.400 they brought up Donald Trump. 2:12:09.600 --> 2:12:12.360 He's really one of their new gray heroes. What did 2:12:12.360 --> 2:12:14.000 the Attorney's General talk about? 2:12:14.640 --> 2:12:18.360 They were mostly talking about different winds they had had 2:12:18.640 --> 2:12:20.880 in terms of like their states and things they were 2:12:20.880 --> 2:12:25.200 bringing the table, and mostly like personal stories of like 2:12:25.280 --> 2:12:28.919 things that they look for in their family. The Missouri 2:12:29.120 --> 2:12:33.440 Attorney General Andrew Bailey. His biggest reaction from the crowd 2:12:33.640 --> 2:12:37.080 was when he said in Missouri, we don't co parent 2:12:37.160 --> 2:12:41.160 with the government, and sure the crowd loved that. 2:12:41.440 --> 2:12:43.600 Yeah, I mean this is a big, big, big rental 2:12:43.680 --> 2:12:46.520 rights group, And yeah, I'm interested in the attorney general 2:12:46.560 --> 2:12:49.920 because back in twenty twenty three, the attorney's generals from 2:12:49.960 --> 2:12:53.760 Alan these red states drafted this this very angry, kind 2:12:53.800 --> 2:12:57.440 of threatening letter to Target, kind of demanding that because 2:12:57.480 --> 2:12:59.360 some of their states own like an interest in Target, 2:12:59.600 --> 2:13:02.600 they have to remove any kind of any products that 2:13:02.640 --> 2:13:07.320 cater to trans people because this is betraying the investors 2:13:07.320 --> 2:13:10.360 by making this poor economic decision. And really, the attorney's 2:13:10.360 --> 2:13:13.120 general have been one of the strongest forces against trans 2:13:13.200 --> 2:13:15.160 rights in a lot of these states. And I believe 2:13:15.200 --> 2:13:17.400 because I I showed up near the end of the 2:13:17.440 --> 2:13:21.080 attorney general's segment, I believe they referred to themselves as 2:13:21.080 --> 2:13:23.080 like the last line of defense. Even if you have 2:13:23.280 --> 2:13:26.000 like a Democrat, you know, like mayor, or you know 2:13:26.040 --> 2:13:28.240 you have more Democrat officials in like your city or state, 2:13:28.640 --> 2:13:31.240 the attorneys generals are are like the ones that are 2:13:31.240 --> 2:13:33.240 going to hold it down, even if the rest have 2:13:33.360 --> 2:13:35.760 kind of sold out or are liberals, Democrats. 2:13:35.920 --> 2:13:38.680 Yeah, I would say the AGS were the most transphobic 2:13:38.720 --> 2:13:43.919 of the bunch, if I was doing ranking Santas. 2:13:44.000 --> 2:13:44.400 Yeah. 2:13:44.600 --> 2:13:47.120 One of them said, you know, in a laughing way, 2:13:47.120 --> 2:13:50.080 which again got a great reaction from the crowd. Think 2:13:50.120 --> 2:13:53.080 about a kindergartener saying what's your pronoun? 2:13:53.720 --> 2:13:55.160 Very very funny ha ha ha ha. 2:13:55.520 --> 2:13:59.440 They were laughing and hahaha about that. Yes, And just 2:13:59.440 --> 2:14:02.160 the last I say about the AGS was that that 2:14:02.240 --> 2:14:06.040 same ag from Missouri said our rights come from God, 2:14:06.360 --> 2:14:07.320 not man. 2:14:07.360 --> 2:14:08.959 And famously in the Constitution. 2:14:09.120 --> 2:14:13.200 Yes, anyways, and then DeSantis and Sarah Hackeby Sanders closed 2:14:13.200 --> 2:14:13.800 it out. 2:14:13.640 --> 2:14:14.720 Which we arrived for. 2:14:14.760 --> 2:14:17.400 We arrived just in time to see DeSantis, thank god, 2:14:17.520 --> 2:14:21.960 Oh meatball. Ron Dessentis and Huckeby Sanders got to be 2:14:22.040 --> 2:14:25.560 the two most uncharismatic speakers I've seen at the convention 2:14:25.760 --> 2:14:26.080 so far. 2:14:26.200 --> 2:14:29.040 I'm not surprised they were both shunted off to the 2:14:29.200 --> 2:14:30.960 I would call it the shame callus. 2:14:31.240 --> 2:14:35.040 So DeSantis was wearing jeans, which is just a fascinating move, 2:14:35.160 --> 2:14:36.440 but these were very warm. 2:14:36.440 --> 2:14:39.640 Very warned, and essentially when he got up, he basically 2:14:39.680 --> 2:14:41.920 did like a brag list of all the things that 2:14:41.960 --> 2:14:43.760 he has gotten done in. 2:14:43.680 --> 2:14:46.560 Florida, talking about, you know, taking the fight to Disney, 2:14:47.200 --> 2:14:50.440 enacting universal school choice, making sure that there's no sex 2:14:50.520 --> 2:14:51.440 at in his schools. 2:14:51.560 --> 2:14:52.040 Very cool. 2:14:52.480 --> 2:14:57.080 And then uh, he talked oddly enough a lot about college. 2:14:56.800 --> 2:14:58.560 University is correct, Yes. 2:14:59.240 --> 2:15:00.920 He was. He was talking about how like, even if 2:15:00.960 --> 2:15:04.280 you raise your kid, right, even if we fix you know, public. 2:15:03.960 --> 2:15:06.240 Schools, put in eighteen hard years. 2:15:06.240 --> 2:15:08.480 He spent eighteen years raising your kid, you do it right, 2:15:08.560 --> 2:15:10.000 we fix all of the public schools. 2:15:10.040 --> 2:15:10.720 Everything's good. 2:15:11.360 --> 2:15:12.960 As soon as they turn eighteen, they're gonna go after 2:15:12.960 --> 2:15:15.080 one of these liberal colleges and they're gonna undo all 2:15:15.120 --> 2:15:17.000 of the good work that you've put in. And that 2:15:17.040 --> 2:15:18.520 needs to be the next thing to stop. And he 2:15:18.560 --> 2:15:20.600 said that Florida is the first state to take on 2:15:20.760 --> 2:15:23.360 higher education. We've had a lot of focus on lower education. 2:15:23.560 --> 2:15:26.160 We now we have to take on higher education, including 2:15:26.480 --> 2:15:29.640 doing like performance reviews for ten good professors every five years, 2:15:29.680 --> 2:15:32.320 in which case they can be fired for poor performance, 2:15:32.520 --> 2:15:34.879 which is kind of a wild concept for a Tenian professor. 2:15:35.040 --> 2:15:37.400 He also had a one off wild line where he 2:15:37.560 --> 2:15:41.560 was like, you did see hamas over on our universities. 2:15:41.680 --> 2:15:47.000 Yes, he referred to Palestinating human rights campus protesters as Hamas, 2:15:46.840 --> 2:15:49.600 just saying that they are Hamas. Like he didn't like say, 2:15:49.680 --> 2:15:52.200 these people are like Hamas. You just said when Hamas 2:15:52.280 --> 2:15:55.360 was coming to the universities, they didn't show up in Florida. 2:15:55.000 --> 2:15:57.600 Which is a very standard Republican line, it is. 2:15:57.840 --> 2:16:00.920 Yeah, and like, there's just no difference between between someone 2:16:00.960 --> 2:16:03.280 showing up to a protest in the United States because 2:16:03.280 --> 2:16:06.240 they don't like that thousands and thousands of Palestinians are 2:16:06.240 --> 2:16:09.960 being murdered, and that person is now indistinguishable from Hamas 2:16:10.000 --> 2:16:14.280 according to the Republican Party, according to all of these speakers. Yeah, 2:16:14.320 --> 2:16:18.000 and so Sarah Sanders just tried to kind of write 2:16:18.000 --> 2:16:20.720 on the coattails of disantist being like, hey, we're also 2:16:20.960 --> 2:16:22.280 planning the transgenders. 2:16:22.640 --> 2:16:23.160 She did the. 2:16:23.120 --> 2:16:27.080 Same show listed you know some of her brags mentioned 2:16:27.120 --> 2:16:29.640 it always has to do she talks about her dad. 2:16:30.200 --> 2:16:32.160 I wrote John subsic she said, because I was like, 2:16:33.440 --> 2:16:36.640 she said, the only war on women is on conservative 2:16:36.640 --> 2:16:39.640 women from the far left. Where are the feminists? They 2:16:39.680 --> 2:16:41.200 can't even tell you what a woman is. 2:16:42.440 --> 2:16:45.680 Well, someone who's famously taken a woman's studies course, where 2:16:45.680 --> 2:16:49.199 they never define what a woman is totally. I guess 2:16:49.320 --> 2:16:51.720 the main upsetting thing for me because the police just 2:16:51.840 --> 2:16:53.800 killed a black man a few hours ago. I was 2:16:53.840 --> 2:16:56.959 just reminded, you know, there's so many real people in Milwaukee, right. 2:16:56.959 --> 2:16:58.640 All the food service workers have been very nice, but 2:16:58.640 --> 2:17:01.080 there's all these real people facing realists use in the 2:17:01.080 --> 2:17:04.560 poorest part of Milwaukee. And we just saw someone whose 2:17:04.600 --> 2:17:06.920 life was ended because police were here for the RNC 2:17:07.200 --> 2:17:10.920 from a totally different state, and people with real economic concerns, 2:17:11.040 --> 2:17:14.080 real concerns about you know, their life from police brutality, 2:17:14.120 --> 2:17:15.720 all this type of stuff. And as soon as you 2:17:15.760 --> 2:17:18.400 walked into this Mom's for Liberty panel, the first thing 2:17:18.440 --> 2:17:20.760 we heard them complaining about was that they were being 2:17:20.800 --> 2:17:23.320 censored on Twitter, yep, and that that was their concern. 2:17:23.440 --> 2:17:24.760 Joe Biden censored us. 2:17:24.840 --> 2:17:28.000 Their hardest thing to them was that they find all 2:17:28.040 --> 2:17:30.119 this gender stuff a little bit icky and that we're 2:17:30.160 --> 2:17:32.480 being censored on Twitter. And that is the level of 2:17:32.480 --> 2:17:33.720 problems that these people are dealing well. 2:17:33.720 --> 2:17:36.840 And our kids didn't turn into the people we wanted 2:17:36.879 --> 2:17:40.080 them to. Yeah, and that should be the entire country's problem. 2:17:40.879 --> 2:17:45.360 They are not fundamentally, they don't have real problems. These people, 2:17:46.240 --> 2:17:50.120 they don't have real problems, but they are unhappy that 2:17:50.200 --> 2:17:53.680 everyone in the world does not inherently act to serve 2:17:53.720 --> 2:17:56.640 and validate them. And they are going to make that 2:17:56.720 --> 2:18:00.360 everyone's promise. You know. That is what the RNC is. Yeah. 2:18:00.480 --> 2:18:03.000 The people on the floor are what you would call 2:18:03.120 --> 2:18:08.040 like successful used car dealers, like level of capitalist, right, 2:18:08.400 --> 2:18:11.959 and they are worshiping an alliance of venture capitalists, guys 2:18:12.000 --> 2:18:14.360 like the VEC, guys like JD. Vance, and of course 2:18:14.640 --> 2:18:18.400 people who inherited a shitload of wealth and then eventually 2:18:18.480 --> 2:18:22.840 succeeded in making money through a combination of vice casinos 2:18:22.959 --> 2:18:26.560 and the entertainment industry. Trump, you know, like that's that's 2:18:26.600 --> 2:18:27.240 who this is. 2:18:27.400 --> 2:18:30.480 And uh, speaking of a VIC. As we were getting 2:18:30.560 --> 2:18:32.959 up to leave, they quickly announced that there was one 2:18:32.959 --> 2:18:35.040 more person who was going to speak, and it was him. 2:18:35.480 --> 2:18:37.600 Yeah, he sure did speak. He gave a speech that 2:18:37.600 --> 2:18:41.160 I would say was indistinguishable from AI. Yes, just about 2:18:41.200 --> 2:18:43.680 how how good America can be and even though we're 2:18:43.680 --> 2:18:45.840 in a tough gpt that even though we're in a 2:18:45.879 --> 2:18:48.280 tough spot right now, I feel like America can do better. 2:18:48.320 --> 2:18:50.640 And it was just it was like I could predict 2:18:50.680 --> 2:18:51.320 every other word. 2:18:51.440 --> 2:18:52.240 Yeah. 2:18:52.280 --> 2:18:55.240 Hey, this is Gear recording just outside of the main 2:18:55.280 --> 2:18:58.240 arena at the RNC where Governor Greg Abat just gave 2:18:58.240 --> 2:19:00.400 a speech. And now I'm giving you a short speech 2:19:00.600 --> 2:19:04.120 to tell you to enjoy these messages from our sponsors. 2:19:04.240 --> 2:19:05.000 We'll be right back. 2:19:13.080 --> 2:19:14.040 This is Robert M. 2:19:14.080 --> 2:19:17.120 Garrison recording from our hotel room later in the night, 2:19:17.160 --> 2:19:19.880 because we have learned some new information about the police 2:19:19.920 --> 2:19:22.920 killing that happened earlier today, and also we listened to 2:19:22.959 --> 2:19:26.200 a whole bunch of the RNC closing speeches tonight which 2:19:26.280 --> 2:19:29.600 kind of relate to this question of police violence. I'll 2:19:29.640 --> 2:19:30.560 hand this off to Robert. 2:19:30.800 --> 2:19:34.000 Yeah. I mean, so since we were down there, the 2:19:34.080 --> 2:19:37.920 police have released both their security camera footage body camera footage, 2:19:38.040 --> 2:19:40.520 and we have the name of the decedent, who was 2:19:40.680 --> 2:19:43.360 Samuel Sharp Junior. This is the guy everyone in the 2:19:43.360 --> 2:19:45.720 neighborhood identified as Jehovah, and that was the nickname that 2:19:45.760 --> 2:19:48.360 he went by. He looked younger. I've seen some reports 2:19:48.400 --> 2:19:49.959 that he was like forty three, but he doesn't look 2:19:50.000 --> 2:19:52.280 forty three from the footage, you know. And he had 2:19:52.320 --> 2:19:54.560 just he had used a community shower earlier that day 2:19:54.600 --> 2:19:57.119 that comes by the neighborhood for some of the homeless folks, 2:19:57.160 --> 2:20:01.480 and you know, told everyone he loved them. Footage is 2:20:02.160 --> 2:20:04.720 I understand like exactly how it's going to be used 2:20:04.720 --> 2:20:06.560 and already as being used by the police, and I 2:20:06.680 --> 2:20:09.080 understand what they're saying, which is that if you look 2:20:09.120 --> 2:20:12.280 at the footage, is they rush on scene, I think 2:20:12.280 --> 2:20:14.640 about fifteen of them. Five of them fired at once 2:20:15.240 --> 2:20:18.560 and immediately open fire. You can see from a distance 2:20:19.040 --> 2:20:21.879 the two guys are five to seven feet apart and 2:20:21.920 --> 2:20:24.400 are kind of crossing the street together while it looks 2:20:24.400 --> 2:20:28.039 like they are yelling. As the police rush in, Samuel 2:20:28.360 --> 2:20:31.440 runs forward, and if you clip frames out of the video, 2:20:31.959 --> 2:20:33.720 you can make a case that he was charging the 2:20:33.760 --> 2:20:37.240 guy with his knife or knives. Police are saying multiple 2:20:37.280 --> 2:20:38.920 It's a little unclear to me in the footage if 2:20:39.280 --> 2:20:42.400 he had two or just one. But I can see 2:20:42.400 --> 2:20:46.440 how the police showing up on scene, being trained the 2:20:46.480 --> 2:20:49.360 way that they are, why they open fire. The problem 2:20:49.400 --> 2:20:52.000 is that he ran forward in the first place, because 2:20:52.040 --> 2:20:55.000 they rushed in, like these two guys were squared up 2:20:55.000 --> 2:20:57.440 on the street and not in an encounter that any 2:20:57.480 --> 2:21:01.440 of the locals considered to be particular literally threatening. If 2:21:01.480 --> 2:21:03.640 you have spent a lot of time around homeless encampments, 2:21:03.640 --> 2:21:05.680 if you have spent a lot of time in neighborhoods 2:21:05.720 --> 2:21:08.400 that have a lot of homeless residence, it is not 2:21:08.640 --> 2:21:12.280 wild or uncommon to see people yelling and to see 2:21:12.320 --> 2:21:15.080 people with knives on their person, you know, even in 2:21:15.120 --> 2:21:18.760 their hands. Obviously, that can be upsetting to some people. 2:21:18.879 --> 2:21:21.360 But like the folks who lived in the neighborhood did 2:21:21.400 --> 2:21:25.080 not consider this an odd circumstance. And with something that, 2:21:25.160 --> 2:21:27.600 in the normal circumstance of events and the normal following 2:21:27.640 --> 2:21:30.600 of events, would have been de escalated. And in this case, 2:21:30.640 --> 2:21:32.640 it wasn't the police open fire before there was any 2:21:32.640 --> 2:21:33.840 attempt at de escalation. 2:21:34.240 --> 2:21:36.840 Yeah, And like conservatives will always point out, you know, 2:21:36.920 --> 2:21:39.480 why is he just following orders? Why isn't he just 2:21:39.480 --> 2:21:41.600 just doing blah blah blah blah blah. They will they 2:21:41.640 --> 2:21:44.120 will take they'll take low screenshots that make something look 2:21:44.120 --> 2:21:47.160 a certain way. And the simple fact is that these 2:21:47.200 --> 2:21:50.160 two men were not in any physical altercation before police arrived. 2:21:50.520 --> 2:21:53.320 He started running away as police started charging towards him, 2:21:53.600 --> 2:21:55.400 I think it would be very odd that he would 2:21:55.440 --> 2:21:58.640 choose that moment to suddenly lunge forward and stab this 2:21:58.680 --> 2:22:01.360 person he knew. And it's very clear that he's actually 2:22:01.360 --> 2:22:04.520 just running away from police, as people often do. And 2:22:04.680 --> 2:22:07.440 police have a long history of just shooting at people 2:22:07.680 --> 2:22:09.480 and killing people who are running away. You can look 2:22:09.480 --> 2:22:11.920 at what happened at the Wendy's in Atlanta in twenty twenty. 2:22:12.240 --> 2:22:15.039 They shoot people when they don't follow what they're saying. 2:22:15.040 --> 2:22:18.240 They shoot people when people try to run away from them, and. 2:22:18.200 --> 2:22:19.360 That's just how cops work. 2:22:19.760 --> 2:22:22.400 So this video came out later in the evening, right 2:22:22.440 --> 2:22:25.920 as me and Robert arrived at the RNC second session. 2:22:26.400 --> 2:22:30.359 And the theme today for the RNC is make America 2:22:30.440 --> 2:22:33.560 Safe Again. And some of the first few speeches I heard, 2:22:33.680 --> 2:22:36.760 one was from the mayor of Dallas, Eric Johnson. 2:22:37.200 --> 2:22:42.800 Democrats and power demonstrate they don't care about stopping the 2:22:42.920 --> 2:22:47.600 killers or the thieves who terrorize black and brown communities. 2:22:49.640 --> 2:22:54.560 They don't care about securing our border, and they don't 2:22:54.680 --> 2:22:57.920 care about dangerous homeless encampments. 2:22:58.520 --> 2:23:01.520 And then there was also a police chief who spoke, 2:23:01.600 --> 2:23:03.760 a former police chief who now runs a charity I 2:23:03.760 --> 2:23:06.680 think for like wounded police officers. Yeah, but he's like 2:23:06.720 --> 2:23:09.120 a cop who is also an activist. 2:23:08.879 --> 2:23:11.480 And so All this framing is around talking about how 2:23:11.480 --> 2:23:14.000 the Democrats are the defund the police party, how Joe 2:23:14.040 --> 2:23:17.600 Biden and Kamala Harris themselves advocate for defunding the police, 2:23:17.640 --> 2:23:19.600 which is simply not true if you look at what 2:23:19.640 --> 2:23:22.440 they say. Joe Biden will always reiterate that he always 2:23:22.440 --> 2:23:25.200 has argued for more police funding, for more police training. 2:23:25.480 --> 2:23:26.959 But they have framed this issue as there are not 2:23:27.040 --> 2:23:30.760 enough police around, that's what is making cities dangerous, talking about, 2:23:30.760 --> 2:23:33.720 you know, all the people dying of violent crime. Not 2:23:33.760 --> 2:23:35.800 a single mention, of course, that the out of state 2:23:35.840 --> 2:23:39.199 police just killed someone a mile away from the Republican 2:23:39.240 --> 2:23:44.279 National Convention. The make America Safe Again rhetoric shifted towards, 2:23:44.320 --> 2:23:48.680 you know, border rhetoric. You know, people believing, genuinely the 2:23:48.680 --> 2:23:51.160 people that are speaking in the audience that we currently 2:23:51.200 --> 2:23:53.920 live under an open border policy that people can just 2:23:54.000 --> 2:23:58.160 walk in totally fine. Just a complete alterned reality view 2:23:58.160 --> 2:24:00.840 about what's going on in America, what Joe Biden and 2:24:00.920 --> 2:24:04.800 Kamala Harris's border policies are. And there was a number 2:24:04.840 --> 2:24:07.120 of speeches that tried to capitalize on this, on this 2:24:07.200 --> 2:24:10.960 almost like border framing up, like there's icis terrorists pouring 2:24:10.959 --> 2:24:14.480 into the border only under Joe Biden, right, as if 2:24:14.640 --> 2:24:17.520 no one ever crossed the border illegally under Donald Trump. 2:24:17.760 --> 2:24:19.480 I know what, Robert, you were talking about some of 2:24:19.520 --> 2:24:23.160 the Ted Cruz speech tonight on his comments around the border. 2:24:23.360 --> 2:24:26.280 Yeah, and Cruz was interesting. I've never considered him a 2:24:26.280 --> 2:24:29.760 particularly strong speaker, and coming out, he initially went into 2:24:30.200 --> 2:24:32.840 kind of a conspiracy theory that you'll hear on the 2:24:32.920 --> 2:24:36.480 right about people being trafficked, sex trafficked, kids being sex 2:24:36.560 --> 2:24:39.039 traffic across the border. He made a comment about them 2:24:39.040 --> 2:24:43.240 having colored wristbands, which is again not a thing that happens, 2:24:43.280 --> 2:24:45.880 but a reference to a widely believed right wing conspiracy, 2:24:45.920 --> 2:24:48.680 and that got kind of a scattered amount of applause, 2:24:48.800 --> 2:24:51.880 not not what I would call a reaction, given how 2:24:51.879 --> 2:24:54.000 he saw the crowd react, Marjorie Taylor Green and how 2:24:54.000 --> 2:24:55.879 we saw them react, you know, whenever Trump comes out 2:24:56.640 --> 2:24:59.640 very muted. But as it went on, he started going 2:24:59.720 --> 2:25:03.920 into the kind of fearmongering spiel about migrants. He talked 2:25:04.000 --> 2:25:06.520 about the woman in San Francisco who was killed by 2:25:06.520 --> 2:25:08.240 that guy who found a gun in a bag and 2:25:08.760 --> 2:25:11.960 accidentally fired it. He talked about a number of different 2:25:11.959 --> 2:25:16.160 other cases that were people not from the country, undocumented 2:25:16.160 --> 2:25:19.400 immigrants who killed generally white Americans. And every time he 2:25:19.400 --> 2:25:22.320 would tell a story, he had like a refrain line 2:25:22.320 --> 2:25:24.640 that was something and that's what happens every damn time 2:25:24.760 --> 2:25:27.800 or something. And every time he gave the refrain, more 2:25:27.840 --> 2:25:31.440 and more people started to cheer in the audience. And 2:25:31.480 --> 2:25:33.200 by the end of it, with the last kind of 2:25:33.320 --> 2:25:36.040 couple of cases of you know, migrant on white people 2:25:36.080 --> 2:25:39.160 crime he brought up, the crowd was like legitimately roaring 2:25:39.240 --> 2:25:41.400 like as much as they did for Marjorie Taylor Green. 2:25:41.800 --> 2:25:44.200 Now the cop that came up next got a much 2:25:44.360 --> 2:25:47.760 louder response, and by far the biggest response of the night, 2:25:47.879 --> 2:25:51.560 even maybe including Trump, was when the delegates on the 2:25:51.560 --> 2:25:54.280 floor launched into a series of back the Blue chants. 2:25:54.280 --> 2:25:57.520 They actually interrupted the cop with back the Blue chants 2:25:58.040 --> 2:26:14.320 and people were roaring for them. 2:26:14.400 --> 2:26:16.240 Yeah, there was a lot of a lot of these chants. 2:26:16.240 --> 2:26:18.959 And the Dallas mayor told a really funny story how 2:26:19.040 --> 2:26:22.480 in twenty twenty some like anti police or defund the 2:26:22.480 --> 2:26:25.600 police activists to shut up around his neighborhood to try to, 2:26:25.760 --> 2:26:29.320 you know, get him to defund the police and he 2:26:29.360 --> 2:26:32.200 got so scared by this that he changed from being 2:26:32.520 --> 2:26:35.480 a Democrat mayor to a Republican mayor and now he 2:26:35.600 --> 2:26:39.680 runs the biggest Republican led city in the country. And 2:26:39.840 --> 2:26:41.920 he had this comment talking about how he grew up 2:26:41.920 --> 2:26:44.920 in you know, poor black neighborhoods, and the thing that 2:26:45.080 --> 2:26:47.560 they've always wanted, the thing that makes them safer, is 2:26:47.680 --> 2:26:49.320 more cops, not less cops. 2:26:50.360 --> 2:26:50.680 Both. 2:26:51.360 --> 2:26:53.960 I grew up in high prime neighborhoods. 2:26:54.920 --> 2:26:59.920 What we wanted was more and better police, not less. 2:27:02.800 --> 2:27:05.520 And just contrasting that with our experiences today in a 2:27:05.640 --> 2:27:08.920 very poor black community that just suffered an incident of 2:27:08.959 --> 2:27:11.480 police killing. That is that is just a lie, right, like, 2:27:11.520 --> 2:27:14.760 and like everyone knows this. This is theater for the convention. 2:27:15.080 --> 2:27:17.000 Everyone at the convention is really into this sort of thing. 2:27:17.040 --> 2:27:19.160 They genuinely believe this sort of stuff, but it's just 2:27:19.160 --> 2:27:21.959 an alternate reality. We spend time one of the poorest 2:27:22.200 --> 2:27:26.240 zip codes in the country and the state today and no, 2:27:26.320 --> 2:27:27.600 it's that's simply not true. 2:27:28.040 --> 2:27:32.880 Yeah, these these people are angry about primarily theoretical problems. 2:27:33.040 --> 2:27:36.000 You know, this kind of specter of migrant crime, which 2:27:36.040 --> 2:27:38.680 is not really real in a demographic you can pick 2:27:38.720 --> 2:27:40.600 out individual cases of that, but you can pick out 2:27:40.600 --> 2:27:43.120 individual cases of doctors stabbing people to death, and that 2:27:43.160 --> 2:27:46.119 doesn't mean we have a wave of doctor related crime. Right. 2:27:46.840 --> 2:27:49.480 The reality of the situation is that, like, these are 2:27:49.959 --> 2:27:53.600 super fans of the Republican Party, and they are super 2:27:53.640 --> 2:27:56.480 fans of the narrative, and they are cheering for some 2:27:56.640 --> 2:27:58.640 of the moments. You know, they're not there's some stuff 2:27:58.640 --> 2:28:01.160 that's gotten boring to them, to think the child traffick 2:28:01.200 --> 2:28:03.920 at conspiracy theories might be boring to them, maybe because 2:28:03.920 --> 2:28:08.040 that guy from the child trafficking movie got disgraced or whatever. 2:28:08.080 --> 2:28:10.640 There's not as interested. So you can see every now 2:28:10.680 --> 2:28:14.199 and then as like their interest in certain things fades, 2:28:14.280 --> 2:28:17.840 But they're reacting like an audience that like a comic 2:28:17.879 --> 2:28:20.279 con would to see in like a Star Wars trailer 2:28:20.320 --> 2:28:22.720 where some guy does a thing that's evidence of having 2:28:22.720 --> 2:28:25.000 the comics or whatever people I'm waiting to see, Like 2:28:25.280 --> 2:28:29.240 when fucking DeSantis comes on and starts talking about banning 2:28:29.440 --> 2:28:33.080 children from receiving gender affirming care, that's like fucking Spider 2:28:33.120 --> 2:28:35.520 Man showing up, right, And they react like the guy 2:28:35.640 --> 2:28:38.800 next to us when DeSantis started doing this started screaming 2:28:38.840 --> 2:28:42.120 and like sticking his fist out towards DeSantis and like 2:28:42.240 --> 2:28:44.480 yelling at it a volume that was honestly kind of 2:28:44.520 --> 2:28:47.200 surprising the man could project. I'll give him that. So 2:28:47.560 --> 2:28:50.280 I think ultimately the way I would sum this up 2:28:50.480 --> 2:28:54.640 is that these are not normal people. These are people 2:28:54.640 --> 2:28:57.400 who love politics. And again, to be clear, I'm not 2:28:57.400 --> 2:29:00.240 saying these are not normal people because they're conservative. Your 2:29:00.240 --> 2:29:03.119 family are conservative, a lot of them are Trump voters, 2:29:03.440 --> 2:29:06.680 but they would find this audience deeply weird because these 2:29:06.720 --> 2:29:09.760 people are politics fans, and even most of the conservatives 2:29:09.800 --> 2:29:14.000 I know really dislike politics. Most normal people do, and 2:29:14.040 --> 2:29:15.720 I guess that's kind of where I've concluded, is the 2:29:15.720 --> 2:29:19.320 difference between like the crazies and the normies. Normal people 2:29:19.400 --> 2:29:20.840 don't enjoy this stuff. 2:29:21.240 --> 2:29:23.840 The term I've used the past few years is politics 2:29:23.879 --> 2:29:27.440 as fandom, and that's all this fucking is. This is 2:29:27.480 --> 2:29:30.240 this is a convention, just like comic con, just like 2:29:30.280 --> 2:29:33.520 an anime con. This is a convention, and that is 2:29:33.560 --> 2:29:37.119 how they view politics. Anyway, back to the past versions 2:29:37.120 --> 2:29:41.199 of us to discuss a funny closing story regarding presidential footwear. 2:29:42.320 --> 2:29:44.840 So that has been our day so far. The last 2:29:44.840 --> 2:29:47.119 thing I say will leave you with is. On our 2:29:47.320 --> 2:29:50.920 way to the convention site this morning, we were walking 2:29:50.920 --> 2:29:53.680 through this hotel to get through security and we found 2:29:53.720 --> 2:29:58.039 this wonderful section. It was it was it was called 2:29:58.160 --> 2:30:01.440 the Presidential Experience. We walked in. There was a there 2:30:01.440 --> 2:30:03.240 was a replica of the Oval Office. I was told 2:30:04.080 --> 2:30:06.680 Reagan era Oval Office it was. It was pretty good, 2:30:06.680 --> 2:30:07.360 and it was pretty good. 2:30:07.480 --> 2:30:12.720 It was not good Netflix production, but like Netflix production 2:30:12.879 --> 2:30:14.039 level quality. 2:30:13.720 --> 2:30:18.040 Bad Netflix production quality. So we walked through and then 2:30:18.080 --> 2:30:22.240 we found just a glorious site. And I will let 2:30:22.360 --> 2:30:26.959 Past Robert and myself tell you what we found at 2:30:26.959 --> 2:30:31.160 the Presidential Experience. We are hearing the Presidential shoe section. 2:30:31.640 --> 2:30:37.039 We've got Harry Truman, Nixon, Gerald Ford, Reagan, Warren G. Harding, 2:30:37.120 --> 2:30:41.480 who has a quote charming spat requested by President Harding 2:30:41.520 --> 2:30:44.960 and sympathized the elegance of the Victorian era. Dwight Eisenhower's 2:30:44.959 --> 2:30:47.160 shoes are pretty good. JFKs are a little bit more 2:30:47.160 --> 2:30:51.199 fancy but less polished. Lyndon B. Johnson's completely unsurprising, very 2:30:51.360 --> 2:30:56.879 very versatile, very efficient, can get off easy, slip on 2:30:56.959 --> 2:30:59.560 and off, get those dogs out when you need to. 2:31:00.400 --> 2:31:05.200 Abe Lincoln has some honestly, very stylish boots. Theodore Roosevelt's 2:31:05.240 --> 2:31:08.440 as well, large foot on Theodore and Woodrow Wilson's shoes 2:31:08.480 --> 2:31:11.520 the only white shoe in the bunch. Very small, tiny feet, 2:31:12.480 --> 2:31:16.240 very small feet. Kind of surprisingly He's it says he 2:31:16.360 --> 2:31:20.400 chose fashion over tradition with these white buckskins. Also they 2:31:20.400 --> 2:31:25.600 have Ulysses S. Grant's little little riding boots. The Victorian 2:31:25.640 --> 2:31:28.400 boots are are very very stylish. But honestly, I think 2:31:28.440 --> 2:31:32.760 I would go with Dwight D. Eisenhower's. They're just a beautiful, 2:31:32.760 --> 2:31:36.360 a beautiful shoe. Reagan's aren't bad, but I don't know. 2:31:36.440 --> 2:31:38.400 The Eisenhower shoes just a little bit more elegant. 2:31:38.680 --> 2:31:41.520 I'm going for LBJ slip on life. 2:31:41.560 --> 2:31:42.280 That makes sense for you. 2:31:42.480 --> 2:31:44.440 That shows you're a man who's got things to do. 2:31:44.560 --> 2:31:46.080 You know, you don't have time to be tie in 2:31:46.120 --> 2:31:46.600 your shoes. 2:31:46.680 --> 2:31:50.240 No, that that that makes sense, That makes sense. Nick 2:31:50.360 --> 2:31:52.160 Nixon's and Kennedy's are very similar. 2:31:55.120 --> 2:31:58.959 Process or I will tell you the truth, like or. 2:31:58.879 --> 2:32:06.040 Not pretty good. It looks like this was presented by 2:32:06.080 --> 2:32:09.600 c SPAN this presidential experience. We have a Reagan era 2:32:09.720 --> 2:32:12.600 replica of the Oval Office, not a big room, not 2:32:12.640 --> 2:32:15.879 a big room, but overall of decent, decent replica. 2:32:16.120 --> 2:32:20.800 Nice JFK portrait Up there. There's a women's suffrage article. 2:32:21.080 --> 2:32:26.280 Interesting women's suffrage, little table. Very controversial topic among Republicans 2:32:26.280 --> 2:32:26.800 these days. 2:32:26.879 --> 2:32:28.560 It has gotten to be increasingly so. 2:32:29.360 --> 2:32:34.720 Some old Pennsylvania Packet and Daily Advertiser newspapers from seventeen 2:32:34.760 --> 2:32:35.320 eighty seven. 2:32:35.360 --> 2:32:38.720 Oh yeah, so this is I guess the original Pennsylvania 2:32:38.879 --> 2:32:42.280 newspaper coverage and printing of the. 2:32:41.800 --> 2:32:44.960 Seventeen eighty seven Yeah, of the Constitution. 2:32:45.040 --> 2:32:48.280 Yeah, there's the preamble right there. Yeah, and they spell 2:32:48.440 --> 2:32:53.480 established justice as a thab lith justith because that's a 2:32:53.760 --> 2:32:56.080 yieldie days, a lot a lot more f's back in 2:32:56.080 --> 2:32:58.280 the day. Yeah. 2:32:58.280 --> 2:33:00.920 But they have these little information placards about all the presidents, 2:33:00.959 --> 2:33:03.400 the first ladies, that kind of stuff. We'll try to 2:33:03.400 --> 2:33:05.600 talk to the to the organizer of this little shindig 2:33:05.959 --> 2:33:07.840 in a sect. But honestly, the shoe, the shoe section, 2:33:07.840 --> 2:33:09.720 it's the most interesting thing to me just because of 2:33:09.720 --> 2:33:14.920 how tiny, just just how tiny those Woodrow Wilson shooes are. 2:33:15.440 --> 2:33:18.119 Hey, Jay, that's that's a that's a that's a long foot. 2:33:18.160 --> 2:33:18.920 It's not a wide foot. 2:33:20.320 --> 2:33:24.360 Roosevelt's feet are pretty wide, you as Grant also very small, 2:33:24.560 --> 2:33:29.959 also very small feet. Hmmm. Yeah. You know what they 2:33:30.000 --> 2:33:35.000 say about anyway, who's your favorite president? 2:33:35.840 --> 2:33:43.400 Favorite? Honestly? You know, I I I think I gotta 2:33:43.440 --> 2:33:47.480 go with US Grant. He's He's not my favorite president 2:33:47.520 --> 2:33:49.080 in terms of what he did in office, but in 2:33:49.160 --> 2:33:51.840 terms of like as a person, sure, he's the US 2:33:51.959 --> 2:33:55.440 president that I think was probably the the best person. 2:33:56.600 --> 2:33:57.920 Like he really did try. 2:33:59.040 --> 2:34:00.600 Always been a Harrison fan myself. 2:34:00.879 --> 2:34:03.880 Oh yeah, William Henry, he was my favorite ass president right. 2:34:03.920 --> 2:34:07.320 Also rhymes was my first name, So a little bit 2:34:07.360 --> 2:34:08.360 of a bias there. 2:34:09.920 --> 2:34:11.760 He really I like a man who there. There's not 2:34:11.840 --> 2:34:13.840 much like fat on that presidency. 2:34:13.879 --> 2:34:16.320 He really efficient, efficient, efficient time in office. 2:34:16.320 --> 2:34:22.400 You got in and out. Wow, very exciting. All those 2:34:22.400 --> 2:34:24.600 little feet. I can't stop thinking about. You know what 2:34:24.640 --> 2:34:26.720 I think about that's the weirdest is that they did 2:34:26.720 --> 2:34:29.680 not have they didn't have any bush feet. Sadly well, 2:34:29.720 --> 2:34:31.520 they didn't have bush feet. And there was one guy 2:34:31.520 --> 2:34:33.920 who they didn't have his shoes. They just had the 2:34:34.080 --> 2:34:37.120 US Grant. They just had they had like the model 2:34:37.160 --> 2:34:40.480 that they built the shoe around for him. Yes, which 2:34:40.600 --> 2:34:42.680 was weird. I was like, where's your where's your US 2:34:42.800 --> 2:34:45.160 grant shoe? You don't want to show us the hardest 2:34:45.160 --> 2:34:47.000 working man whoever lived to be president? 2:34:47.120 --> 2:34:49.280 But yeah, no, I thought that was some important breaking 2:34:49.320 --> 2:34:52.840 news for our listeners to hear who had the smallest foot. Yeah, 2:34:52.879 --> 2:34:55.400 but as of right now, that is day two of 2:34:55.520 --> 2:34:57.440 the Republican National Convention. 2:34:57.959 --> 2:35:02.119 Until our next update, don't come here. It's unpleasant. 2:35:16.520 --> 2:35:18.680 America is Trump strong? Okay? 2:35:19.240 --> 2:35:20.160 It is so funny. 2:35:20.320 --> 2:35:23.520 Welcome to it could happen here. A podcast recorded from 2:35:23.760 --> 2:35:28.640 the Republican National Convention, specifically the hotel where the Idaho 2:35:28.760 --> 2:35:33.440 and North Dakota delegates are gathered. Yeah, fascinating elevator rides. 2:35:33.680 --> 2:35:36.600 And we're thinking today about the memory of that guy 2:35:36.640 --> 2:35:38.680 that Trump does not know the name of who got 2:35:38.720 --> 2:35:39.600 shot to death. 2:35:39.640 --> 2:35:40.200 Corey k. 2:35:41.360 --> 2:35:44.520 They've definitely pronounced every time they've said it wrong. 2:35:44.680 --> 2:35:47.480 Every single person who spoke the last few days pronounced 2:35:47.480 --> 2:35:50.320 his name differently, And I was like, well, finally they 2:35:50.320 --> 2:35:53.440 have somebody's name to pronounce more incorrectly than they do 2:35:53.520 --> 2:35:56.439 Kabla Harris or Ramaswami. 2:35:56.800 --> 2:36:00.440 And it's look, folks, I'm not gonna laugh at his kids. 2:36:00.600 --> 2:36:03.200 You know, that's a tragedy for them. But what I 2:36:03.200 --> 2:36:06.440 will say is that objectively, it's really funny that this 2:36:06.520 --> 2:36:10.480 guy died for Donald Trump, and Trump very obviously does 2:36:10.520 --> 2:36:13.440 not care, couldn't, could not be less important to him, 2:36:13.959 --> 2:36:16.440 Like there is nothing that matters less than this election 2:36:16.720 --> 2:36:18.920 the man who took a bullet for him, And that's 2:36:19.040 --> 2:36:20.879 really funny. That's really funny. 2:36:20.920 --> 2:36:24.640 Anyways, Uh, this is it could happen here. I'm Sophie LICHTBD. We're, 2:36:25.520 --> 2:36:27.760 like Gara said at the R and C. I have 2:36:27.840 --> 2:36:29.760 Garrison Davis with me and Robert Evans. 2:36:29.879 --> 2:36:31.680 Uh huh, very professional, Sophie, Thank. 2:36:31.560 --> 2:36:33.160 You so much. I am your boss. Do you want 2:36:33.200 --> 2:36:35.640 to tell me a little bit about this morning? 2:36:35.959 --> 2:36:37.920 Well, I think first to talk about some of our 2:36:38.000 --> 2:36:39.320 late night escapades. 2:36:39.400 --> 2:36:45.280 Oh wait, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Cigar bar, Yes, wow, 2:36:45.600 --> 2:36:48.040 I did not go with you to that event, so 2:36:48.080 --> 2:36:48.600 I call. 2:36:49.120 --> 2:36:50.920 I agree that was a good call. I counted on 2:36:50.959 --> 2:36:52.959 the main floor of the cigar bar where the young 2:36:53.040 --> 2:36:56.280 Republicans had their party, and six of forty people had cigars. 2:36:56.640 --> 2:36:57.320 I had a cigar? 2:36:57.680 --> 2:37:00.640 You did you had? Because I brought a election of 2:37:00.680 --> 2:37:01.840 my finest Cubans. 2:37:01.920 --> 2:37:04.040 Yeah, very very kind of you, Robert. 2:37:04.200 --> 2:37:06.400 I had one of John F. Kennedy's favorite cigars that 2:37:06.440 --> 2:37:08.520 I had been aging for two years waiting for this moment. 2:37:08.760 --> 2:37:10.879 I did like that you had the foresight to bring 2:37:10.959 --> 2:37:12.879 cigars to the art, to bring. 2:37:12.680 --> 2:37:17.120 Extremely high quality. Our buddy Lenny had a three year 2:37:17.200 --> 2:37:22.160 age part of goas you had. But I've been drinking 2:37:22.320 --> 2:37:26.720 and I had a lovely have you been quality? The 2:37:26.840 --> 2:37:29.400 best cigars there. I talked to everyone who happened to 2:37:29.400 --> 2:37:32.039 be smoking a cigar, and they were all smoking trash 2:37:32.160 --> 2:37:35.520 like a Rodwin and American garbage, because none of them 2:37:35.560 --> 2:37:38.400 had any kind of look. I don't get into this often. 2:37:38.920 --> 2:37:40.600 I don't want to be like some of our friends 2:37:40.760 --> 2:37:43.240 in the in the far right and and use cigars 2:37:43.280 --> 2:37:46.960 as a totem. I enjoyed my cigars privately, but we 2:37:46.959 --> 2:37:49.320 were going to a cigar bar, so I brought my 2:37:49.520 --> 2:37:52.200 nice cigars and oh was it a cigar bar? 2:37:52.440 --> 2:37:55.000 Were there cigars there? You're just at the word cigars seven. 2:37:55.160 --> 2:37:57.119 It was not lost on me that none of them 2:37:57.160 --> 2:38:00.440 smoked good cigars, because they're children, are what. We had 2:38:00.480 --> 2:38:03.200 an interview with Rudy Giuliani, and Rudy would have understood 2:38:03.360 --> 2:38:06.320 that man has nice cigars. I'll say that about Rudy Giuliani. 2:38:06.320 --> 2:38:08.120 He knows the cigars, that's all I'm saying. 2:38:08.160 --> 2:38:09.920 Great, So we've been trying to hit the kind of 2:38:09.920 --> 2:38:12.040 the after party scene at the RNC just to see 2:38:12.080 --> 2:38:15.840 kind of what's up. This little cigar party was put 2:38:15.879 --> 2:38:18.600 on by some of the young Republicans from New. 2:38:18.480 --> 2:38:21.560 York, primarily in New York. They are very confident of 2:38:21.600 --> 2:38:25.880 a victory, potentially a statewide victory in a national election. 2:38:26.600 --> 2:38:29.320 And you know what, the evidence doesn't make it impossible. 2:38:29.360 --> 2:38:31.400 It doesn't look like it's going to happen from this cycle. 2:38:31.480 --> 2:38:33.520 But twenty twenty eight, New York could be in play. 2:38:34.440 --> 2:38:36.920 And one of the interesting things is that Florida also 2:38:36.920 --> 2:38:40.800 seems to be tightening. Two poles recently show Trump just 2:38:40.840 --> 2:38:43.080 four points ahead of Biden. He won by ten in 2:38:43.120 --> 2:38:46.160 twenty twenty. That's a significant tightening and within kind of 2:38:46.160 --> 2:38:48.880 swing state margins. And so it is kind of interesting 2:38:48.879 --> 2:38:51.760 to conceive of the possibility that by twenty twenty eight, 2:38:51.840 --> 2:38:54.119 both New York and Florida could be in play. 2:38:55.040 --> 2:38:57.520 Yeah, so I dressed like a nineteen fifty FBI agent 2:38:57.560 --> 2:39:00.840 and trench coat and smoke well, done one of these 2:39:00.840 --> 2:39:02.520 cigars as best as I could. 2:39:02.600 --> 2:39:03.400 How'd you like it? 2:39:03.160 --> 2:39:04.039 It was fine. 2:39:04.160 --> 2:39:04.920 It was a nice cigar. 2:39:05.080 --> 2:39:05.800 It's no clove. 2:39:06.560 --> 2:39:11.360 Good god, oh my fucking so, give me a gun. 2:39:11.520 --> 2:39:14.880 It was it was. It was a nice little party. 2:39:15.120 --> 2:39:17.520 We talked, We talked to some people. The best thing 2:39:17.560 --> 2:39:20.760 about the party though, is that there was a series 2:39:20.840 --> 2:39:23.400 of speeches put on by these guys from New York 2:39:23.480 --> 2:39:26.520 that kind of just kept going on. And the longer 2:39:26.600 --> 2:39:28.360 that these speeches and like these three different guys kept 2:39:28.400 --> 2:39:31.120 going on, the music on the roof started to get 2:39:31.160 --> 2:39:35.360 slowly louder and louder and louder until it was completely 2:39:35.520 --> 2:39:39.000 draining out the speeches, until they just stopped because like, okay, 2:39:39.000 --> 2:39:40.199 the music's too loud. 2:39:40.080 --> 2:39:42.320 Now now and again there are heroes. 2:39:42.120 --> 2:39:45.000 So someone was on that dial just every every two 2:39:45.000 --> 2:39:46.560 minutes it up a little bit. 2:39:46.680 --> 2:39:49.400 There's a guy I follow who has started who followed 2:39:49.400 --> 2:39:51.840 me back in twenty twenty, who was like an election 2:39:52.480 --> 2:39:56.039 poll analysis expert and was like, and it's not a 2:39:56.080 --> 2:39:58.959 political guy, but was like, look, if you show up 2:39:59.040 --> 2:40:03.520 at a convention after party to talk, fuck you like 2:40:03.680 --> 2:40:06.080 people are there to drink, all you should say is 2:40:06.120 --> 2:40:09.400 the bar is open and I agreed with that, and 2:40:09.440 --> 2:40:11.360 then you know what, to skip ahead. Credit to the 2:40:11.360 --> 2:40:14.520 Heritage Foundation. Nobody ever said anything but that we could 2:40:14.560 --> 2:40:17.920 drink all we wanted. That is a Heritage Foundation party. 2:40:17.600 --> 2:40:19.160 That is right, which we will get to later. So 2:40:19.720 --> 2:40:23.200 we were up way too late, way too late at 2:40:23.240 --> 2:40:25.039 at some of these after parties the other night, and 2:40:25.200 --> 2:40:27.199 we had to get up pretty early in the morning 2:40:27.280 --> 2:40:30.360 because we had an interview with the CEO of the 2:40:30.400 --> 2:40:33.560 Texas Public Policy Foundation, which is kind of like a 2:40:33.600 --> 2:40:38.240 mini version, yeah, the Heritage Foundation, but just for Texas. Yeah, 2:40:38.360 --> 2:40:42.480 the former guy who ran this now runs the Heritage 2:40:42.520 --> 2:40:44.600 Foundation itself, so it's kind of like a little bit 2:40:44.640 --> 2:40:47.400 of a training ground and they kind of swap members often. 2:40:48.360 --> 2:40:50.840 We had a pretty long interview that we will turn 2:40:50.879 --> 2:40:55.160 into some kind of future piece of content, discussing everything 2:40:55.200 --> 2:40:59.240 from woke ideology to the mortal rot infecting America. 2:40:59.120 --> 2:41:02.320 To why mash shoot happened in this country. Yeah, Yeah, 2:41:02.360 --> 2:41:02.600 he was. 2:41:03.080 --> 2:41:05.080 He was very polished, very media trained. 2:41:05.200 --> 2:41:08.920 He easily the best interview subject in terms of his 2:41:09.080 --> 2:41:11.720 like skillet talking, yeah, that we've had. 2:41:11.800 --> 2:41:14.360 And similarly, I don't think he was quite prepared for 2:41:14.400 --> 2:41:16.880 our line of questioning either, you know, so that he 2:41:17.560 --> 2:41:19.240 got taken it back a little bit by some of 2:41:19.280 --> 2:41:21.720 the questions we were lobbing him, probably very different from 2:41:21.720 --> 2:41:24.320 the rest of the interviews that he's been doing. I'm 2:41:24.360 --> 2:41:26.879 trying to think if there's any anything specifically about that 2:41:26.959 --> 2:41:28.000 interview that's worth mentioning. 2:41:28.040 --> 2:41:30.520 Now, you know what really interests me because the shooting 2:41:30.680 --> 2:41:32.720 is so relevant, I will bring up the shooting. We 2:41:32.760 --> 2:41:35.560 talked about why the guy who tried to kill Trump 2:41:35.560 --> 2:41:38.520 had done it, and he and I were kind of 2:41:38.600 --> 2:41:40.720 the same mind, the same mind that you are, Garrison, 2:41:40.760 --> 2:41:44.360 which is that this was a school shooter type thing 2:41:44.360 --> 2:41:46.720 and that was the primary reason behind the ideology. And 2:41:46.760 --> 2:41:49.160 this is before now some stuff has come out since 2:41:49.200 --> 2:41:51.480 that has made that seem even more likely. But it 2:41:51.520 --> 2:41:53.920 was interesting to like kind of have that not be 2:41:53.959 --> 2:41:56.200 a controversial part of the conversation. This was not a 2:41:56.280 --> 2:41:58.800 radical left shooting. There was no sort of attempt by 2:41:58.920 --> 2:42:00.600 him to claim it as that. He was like, yeah, 2:42:00.600 --> 2:42:03.279 this seems like a guy. We have a deep sickness 2:42:03.280 --> 2:42:06.640 in this country, and we clearly disagreed with him about 2:42:06.680 --> 2:42:09.480 the specifics of where the sickness comes from. But the 2:42:09.560 --> 2:42:11.840 sickness leads to some people who just want to do 2:42:11.920 --> 2:42:15.920 mass shootings that are not political, and uh, that was 2:42:15.959 --> 2:42:16.600 interesting to me. 2:42:16.879 --> 2:42:18.400 No, And one of the big things talked about in 2:42:18.480 --> 2:42:21.000 terms of this moral rot is that there is something 2:42:21.120 --> 2:42:23.920 lacking in our country, specifically with young men. There's there 2:42:23.959 --> 2:42:27.160 is there is this lack of purpose among young men 2:42:27.200 --> 2:42:29.080 which makes them do these kind of violent acts. 2:42:29.160 --> 2:42:31.440 I don't disagree with that, sure, And I think I 2:42:31.640 --> 2:42:33.879 think I disagree with Yeah, his his. 2:42:33.720 --> 2:42:36.400 His solutions and some and some some of his diagnosis 2:42:36.480 --> 2:42:39.199 in certain ways, right because he he'll attribute that lack 2:42:39.320 --> 2:42:42.199 to certain things that we might not morality at the home, 2:42:42.320 --> 2:42:46.240 and sure, you know, all these all those kind of things. 2:42:46.440 --> 2:42:48.120 But you know, that was that that was kind of 2:42:48.120 --> 2:42:50.160 his his take, you know. And then we also talked 2:42:50.160 --> 2:42:53.400 about everything from like the influence of billionaires on these 2:42:53.480 --> 2:42:57.360 right wing think tanks and political candidates, Catholics versus Evangelicals. 2:42:57.360 --> 2:42:59.280 It was an interesting conversation that I'm sure you'll hear 2:42:59.560 --> 2:43:01.720 in the coming weeks, and we'll kind of explain why 2:43:01.760 --> 2:43:03.720 we want you to hear from this guy who's, you know, 2:43:03.800 --> 2:43:07.360 typically probably pretty adversarial to the type of stuff that 2:43:07.400 --> 2:43:10.080 we talk about on this show. But after this interview. 2:43:10.160 --> 2:43:14.240 I met up with Sophie lichterman Hey and we talked 2:43:14.360 --> 2:43:18.560 to the people at the actual Heritage Foundation booth who 2:43:18.959 --> 2:43:21.959 had many a pamphlet, and I collected all of the 2:43:22.000 --> 2:43:25.200 gender ideology pamphlets, which will also be a future deep 2:43:25.240 --> 2:43:28.400 dive kind of Curiously, they did not have a single 2:43:28.480 --> 2:43:32.680 pamphlet about Project twenty twenty five. Nope, No, and they 2:43:32.680 --> 2:43:34.480 didn't like talking about it either. They said that Project 2:43:34.480 --> 2:43:36.560 twenty twenty five is, you know, a coalition effort between 2:43:36.560 --> 2:43:38.760 both Heritage and all these other groups, but they're not 2:43:38.800 --> 2:43:41.680 really talking about it here today because it's not Trump's 2:43:41.680 --> 2:43:44.400 policy platform. Trump has his own policy platform. This is 2:43:44.520 --> 2:43:48.360 just a list of policy suggestions for lawmakers once they 2:43:48.400 --> 2:43:51.640 get into office. So they like to talk about a 2:43:51.640 --> 2:43:53.280 whole bunch of other stuff, you know, certain things that 2:43:53.280 --> 2:43:55.080 are kind of a part of Project twenty twenty five, 2:43:55.120 --> 2:43:58.640 but nothing about the actual you know, document itself, partially 2:43:58.800 --> 2:44:02.320 due to the kind of negative blash that it has received, 2:44:02.320 --> 2:44:05.040 and you know, it seems to be kind of widely 2:44:05.160 --> 2:44:09.039 unliked for various reasons. So I think it was interesting 2:44:09.040 --> 2:44:11.640 that they weren't even pushing it at an event like this. 2:44:12.040 --> 2:44:14.920 You know, again, with the Texas Policy Foundation gut we 2:44:14.959 --> 2:44:18.160 talked about when we brought it up. He was pretty 2:44:18.360 --> 2:44:20.879 open about the fact that it's not popular. Yeah, and 2:44:20.959 --> 2:44:23.920 his attitude was that in the future, once we win, 2:44:24.200 --> 2:44:26.400 we can try and build consensus around it. But he 2:44:26.400 --> 2:44:29.080 didn't try to deny the fact that, like, it's widely 2:44:29.120 --> 2:44:31.440 disliked by the electorate. 2:44:31.120 --> 2:44:33.000 And it is against a lot of things that are 2:44:33.040 --> 2:44:37.959 on the Republican policy platform for the actual party. Sophie, 2:44:38.040 --> 2:44:42.040 you had a wonderful conversation with some of these heritage folks. 2:44:42.200 --> 2:44:45.120 Let's just say that my very blonde hair and the 2:44:45.200 --> 2:44:48.800 pig tills that I or most of this week made 2:44:48.840 --> 2:44:51.879 it very easy for these folks to talk to me, 2:44:52.040 --> 2:44:54.680 which is unsettling. 2:44:54.160 --> 2:44:56.640 A little bit frightening, but useful. 2:44:56.200 --> 2:44:58.400 But very very very scary. 2:44:58.920 --> 2:44:59.120 Yeah. 2:44:59.280 --> 2:45:01.640 Of course, asking a lot of the folks that I've 2:45:01.640 --> 2:45:05.800 talked to this week is mostly about their opinions about education, 2:45:06.120 --> 2:45:08.840 and you know, if there is a shift in power 2:45:08.879 --> 2:45:13.000 with Trump being elected in November, what exactly they would 2:45:13.040 --> 2:45:16.480 want to do. And the overall majority answer from these 2:45:16.480 --> 2:45:20.160 groups is that they want to take away power from 2:45:20.280 --> 2:45:22.920 the federal government and bring it to the states, and 2:45:23.080 --> 2:45:26.440 that would be universal school choice, and so got a 2:45:26.440 --> 2:45:29.240 little bit of that from them. They also mentioned something 2:45:29.400 --> 2:45:33.640 about one of the biggest roadblocks being student loans. 2:45:33.680 --> 2:45:37.840 While also being very against student learned for forgiveness specifically, 2:45:37.959 --> 2:45:40.560 so it's kind of a it was an interesting position. 2:45:40.760 --> 2:45:42.600 I want to read some more of their pamphlets on that. 2:45:42.760 --> 2:45:45.320 But anyways, that just talks with them more. Got more 2:45:45.360 --> 2:45:49.600 of their pamphlets and Garrison and I asked them about 2:45:49.720 --> 2:45:53.160 the states that they choose to operate. 2:45:52.720 --> 2:45:56.400 In and specifically for their lobbying group as opposed to 2:45:56.480 --> 2:45:58.760 just like the think tank, they have this other thing 2:45:58.800 --> 2:46:02.160 I think called Heritage Action, which operates differently because of 2:46:02.200 --> 2:46:03.680 certain laws around lobbying. 2:46:03.760 --> 2:46:05.320 It's kind of where they try to train a lot 2:46:05.320 --> 2:46:07.400 of new people up. They had a lot of advertisements 2:46:07.400 --> 2:46:08.840 that they did, something like fifty yea. 2:46:09.040 --> 2:46:11.080 More on the ground activism type stuff. 2:46:11.360 --> 2:46:13.400 And Garret, what was the answer they gave? I thought 2:46:13.440 --> 2:46:16.480 it was interesting you asked the question for why they 2:46:16.480 --> 2:46:17.600 didn't go in certain states. 2:46:17.680 --> 2:46:19.280 Yes, so they had this map of what states they 2:46:19.280 --> 2:46:21.320 were active in, and there were certain states, you know, 2:46:21.360 --> 2:46:25.760 like Oregon, Washington, a whole bunch of the New England states, 2:46:25.760 --> 2:46:27.480 and they just weren't active in because they didn't think 2:46:27.560 --> 2:46:29.760 they would be very effective. They wouln't make any leeway. 2:46:29.760 --> 2:46:31.160 It's it's just not worth it. It's not going to 2:46:31.320 --> 2:46:35.200 move towards actual electoral victories. But the other there's other 2:46:35.240 --> 2:46:37.640 states like Wyoming and a few others that they weren't 2:46:37.640 --> 2:46:42.280 active in for different reasons because of specific regulations regarding 2:46:42.440 --> 2:46:46.840 donor transparency that they were strongly against the states that 2:46:46.959 --> 2:46:49.760 require there to be transparency for people who donate to 2:46:49.800 --> 2:46:53.480 these kind of political groups. And in protest of those 2:46:53.560 --> 2:46:56.800 regulations and laws, they are completely inactive in those states, 2:46:57.040 --> 2:46:58.680 which is a funny way of saying, we just want 2:46:58.680 --> 2:47:01.720 to hide whoever gives us money. And that is that 2:47:01.800 --> 2:47:03.959 was a little interesting piece of information regarding you know, 2:47:04.080 --> 2:47:06.959 there's the state states don't operate and because they do 2:47:07.000 --> 2:47:10.520 not want to see or have it made public where 2:47:10.560 --> 2:47:12.400 their kind of money is coming in and out of, 2:47:12.680 --> 2:47:15.760 at least for the Heritage Action part of the group. 2:47:16.080 --> 2:47:20.879 Yes, it was overall just interesting that there was you know, 2:47:21.000 --> 2:47:23.760 at this at this booth, there was about five different 2:47:24.000 --> 2:47:25.640 i would say twenty something women. 2:47:25.680 --> 2:47:28.640 Twenty something died blonde women, yes. 2:47:28.800 --> 2:47:33.720 And they invited me to their Heritage Social party that 2:47:33.760 --> 2:47:36.440 they were having that was across from the main convention 2:47:36.840 --> 2:47:39.080 where you needed an access code to get in, and 2:47:39.120 --> 2:47:40.879 they gave you that flyer and. 2:47:41.600 --> 2:47:44.000 You will hear all about that. We took advantage of that. 2:47:44.200 --> 2:47:46.039 At the end of the episode you will get a 2:47:46.040 --> 2:47:52.920 special inside look at the Heritage Foundations private invite only exclusive. 2:47:53.360 --> 2:47:56.080 Party was off the record. Now, does it count? No, 2:47:56.160 --> 2:47:58.360 of course not. I promised that lady that what she 2:47:58.400 --> 2:48:00.520 said to me was off the record, and I won't 2:48:00.560 --> 2:48:02.560 say any more about that. But I didn't promise that 2:48:02.560 --> 2:48:03.240 to anyone else. 2:48:03.360 --> 2:48:05.720 Do you know what's on the record, Robert, what you 2:48:05.800 --> 2:48:06.520 said later? 2:48:07.200 --> 2:48:10.600 These products and the products and services that support this podcast. 2:48:10.680 --> 2:48:14.160 That also that also is off the record, on the record. Whatever, 2:48:14.320 --> 2:48:21.160 here's the ads. 2:48:24.600 --> 2:48:27.760 We are back and don't worry. You will hear about 2:48:27.800 --> 2:48:31.400 this special Heritage Foundation party in a sect. But first 2:48:31.440 --> 2:48:33.440 I want to play for you a whole interview that 2:48:33.520 --> 2:48:36.600 I collected just down the hall from the Heritage Foundation booth. 2:48:37.200 --> 2:48:41.480 The American Conservation Coalition had a pretty a pretty large 2:48:41.480 --> 2:48:45.640 section of the RNC convention fest. You know, list of 2:48:45.720 --> 2:48:50.080 vendors kind of more typical like you know, convention type stuff. 2:48:50.080 --> 2:48:51.720 You know, like if you go to like a comic 2:48:51.800 --> 2:48:53.240 on or something, it's a lot of like vendors and 2:48:53.240 --> 2:48:55.400 booths that this kind of section of the R and C. 2:48:56.360 --> 2:48:58.760 So they had this this pretty big booth and it 2:48:58.879 --> 2:49:01.080 was the only time I ever seen anything mentioned about 2:49:01.080 --> 2:49:04.840 climate change. So I was interested to see what conservatives 2:49:05.200 --> 2:49:08.440 talking about climate change sound like what they're saying. And 2:49:08.520 --> 2:49:11.880 I will just play that interview here right now. Do 2:49:11.920 --> 2:49:13.879 you want to introducing yourself in the organization you're with. 2:49:14.040 --> 2:49:14.400 Sure. 2:49:14.720 --> 2:49:17.640 My name's Carl Matthews. I'm the vice president of Communications 2:49:17.640 --> 2:49:21.200 at the American Conservation Coalition, which is the largest conservative 2:49:21.240 --> 2:49:23.960 grassroots environmental organization in the country. 2:49:24.760 --> 2:49:27.160 So a few things that that interested me about your group. 2:49:27.200 --> 2:49:29.800 I mean, especially if you look back in the last 2:49:29.840 --> 2:49:33.640 one hundred years, like environmental conservation has been historically a 2:49:33.720 --> 2:49:35.199 much more conservative standpoint. 2:49:35.240 --> 2:49:36.920 You can look at like presidents in like the. 2:49:37.000 --> 2:49:39.880 Nineteen twenties, there was a huge push for that, and 2:49:40.120 --> 2:49:42.400 somewhere along the lines that that's kind of been lost 2:49:42.440 --> 2:49:44.720 for like a number of reasons. I guess, what is 2:49:44.760 --> 2:49:47.440 your main mission here with this organization? 2:49:47.920 --> 2:49:49.560 Yeah, well, it's interesting you bring up kind of the 2:49:49.600 --> 2:49:52.360 history of conservative conservation because we have a timeline here 2:49:52.360 --> 2:49:55.200 at the RNC showing all the Republican presidents who have 2:49:55.240 --> 2:49:58.440 really engaged on this issue, from Ulysses Grant to Teddy 2:49:58.520 --> 2:50:01.400 Roosevelt to more modern present that is like Richard Nixon, 2:50:01.520 --> 2:50:04.760 Ronald Reagan, and even hw Bush. So what we're really 2:50:04.920 --> 2:50:07.959 doing here with the American Conservation Coalition is building the 2:50:08.000 --> 2:50:12.680 conservative environmental movement, specifically among young Americans who frankly feel 2:50:12.760 --> 2:50:15.720 kind of disenfranchised by both parties on the issue of 2:50:15.760 --> 2:50:18.440 climate and the environment. The left has taken a really 2:50:18.440 --> 2:50:21.280 doom and gloom approach to these issues that isn't very 2:50:21.320 --> 2:50:23.879 inspiring for a lot of young folks, and in the 2:50:23.920 --> 2:50:28.240 last thirty years, conservatives haven't engaged very productively. So we're 2:50:28.280 --> 2:50:33.359 here showing that conservation is conservative, those values are inherently entwined, 2:50:33.680 --> 2:50:37.360 and it's okay to call for action on environmental issues 2:50:37.360 --> 2:50:38.279 like climate change. 2:50:38.400 --> 2:50:41.360 I guess yeah. Let's start more on like the big topic, 2:50:41.360 --> 2:50:43.040 which is which is climate change, and we can get 2:50:43.040 --> 2:50:45.800 into like local conservation. What is your take on the 2:50:45.840 --> 2:50:49.240 current climate scenario, because like ever since, ever since the 2:50:49.240 --> 2:50:51.720 early two thousands, there's been this you know, for a 2:50:51.760 --> 2:50:53.640 lot of young people slightly worrying trend. If you have 2:50:53.760 --> 2:50:57.840 the politicians just either seriously downgrading, you know, the scale 2:50:57.840 --> 2:50:59.960 of this problem, or just thinking there is no problem. 2:51:00.440 --> 2:51:02.880 What is your take both, I guess on that part. 2:51:02.920 --> 2:51:06.600 And then how you see the climate crisis, the climate 2:51:06.640 --> 2:51:08.960 issue that we are dealing with, where do you see 2:51:08.959 --> 2:51:09.320 it heading? 2:51:09.760 --> 2:51:12.680 Yeah, So ACC was founded because Conservatives weren't engaging on 2:51:12.720 --> 2:51:15.920 this issue. So for the last six seven years we've 2:51:15.959 --> 2:51:19.600 been really pushing conservatives, especially conservative elected leaders, to re 2:51:19.680 --> 2:51:21.680 engage in a productive way. And I think we've done 2:51:21.720 --> 2:51:25.400 that really effectively. In DC where I live, the Conservative 2:51:25.400 --> 2:51:27.560 Climate Caucus in the House, which is a group of 2:51:27.600 --> 2:51:31.080 Republican lawmakers interested in tackling the issue of climate change, 2:51:31.240 --> 2:51:33.800 has eighty seven members. It's the fourth largest in the 2:51:33.840 --> 2:51:37.400 Republican conference. So we're seeing a big kind of shift 2:51:37.520 --> 2:51:40.200 in the Overton window there. But yeah, I think young 2:51:40.200 --> 2:51:44.640 people want elected leaders who recognize that we have an issue, 2:51:45.040 --> 2:51:47.480 recognize that we have a challenge in climate change, and 2:51:47.520 --> 2:51:52.120 want practical solutions like expanding clean, reliable nuclear energy, like 2:51:52.760 --> 2:51:56.400 pursuing permitting reform to actually allow American energy projects to 2:51:56.400 --> 2:51:58.680 be built. So I think we take a really kind 2:51:58.720 --> 2:52:02.199 of level headed rationalach to these issues that really resonates. 2:52:01.800 --> 2:52:04.680 With young people. What's the main difference in how you 2:52:04.800 --> 2:52:07.720 view the climate issue as opposed to someone like AOC 2:52:07.959 --> 2:52:10.440 right or like these these more like progressive democrats of view, 2:52:10.440 --> 2:52:12.320 this is a very existential crisis. 2:52:12.879 --> 2:52:14.440 You have to get fossil fuels under control. 2:52:15.120 --> 2:52:17.400 These kind of timelines that we hear, you know, by 2:52:17.440 --> 2:52:19.840 twenty fifty, by twenty seventy, by even like something like 2:52:19.840 --> 2:52:22.520 twenty thirty, right, how it becomes like a cascading problem. 2:52:22.640 --> 2:52:25.600 How differently do you view the current situation than you know, 2:52:25.680 --> 2:52:27.280 these like progressive democrats. 2:52:27.640 --> 2:52:29.920 Sure, like I said, climate change is a challenge. It's 2:52:29.920 --> 2:52:32.560 certainly something that we need to tackle, but we don't 2:52:32.640 --> 2:52:34.640 view it through kind of this doom and gloom lens 2:52:34.680 --> 2:52:37.640 where we're going to die in twelve, ten, five years, 2:52:37.680 --> 2:52:40.840 whatever the current timeline is on the left. But we 2:52:40.879 --> 2:52:43.440 do see a need for all of the above energy. 2:52:43.520 --> 2:52:47.120 So we recognize that energy demand is continuing to expand, 2:52:47.200 --> 2:52:49.640 but we also need to protect our environment. So we 2:52:49.680 --> 2:52:53.600 need to kind of consider that trilemma reliable, affordable, and 2:52:53.720 --> 2:52:56.760 clean when we're looking at our energy portfolio in the future. 2:52:56.959 --> 2:52:59.039 And I think that's what really kind of distinguishes us 2:52:59.080 --> 2:53:00.960 from the left, and that we're not calling for a 2:53:00.959 --> 2:53:03.720 divestment of fossil fuels. We're calling for a rational, level 2:53:03.720 --> 2:53:07.480 headed energy strategy that will lower emissions, but in kind 2:53:07.480 --> 2:53:08.760 of a more realistic way. 2:53:09.640 --> 2:53:11.640 Do you think that timeline's gonna be more stretched out? 2:53:11.680 --> 2:53:13.080 Because I mean, if if you look at you know 2:53:13.160 --> 2:53:15.760 the way current levels are heading. As soon as we 2:53:15.840 --> 2:53:20.080 hit like two point five degrees, not just that change, 2:53:20.120 --> 2:53:23.240 but the level of cascating environmental effects, right, one thing changes. 2:53:23.280 --> 2:53:26.240 Now everything gets worse because when stuff melts, then it 2:53:26.320 --> 2:53:28.720 changes the way like thermal regulation of the whole planet works, 2:53:28.879 --> 2:53:30.360 and then it becomes this kind of cascating problem. And 2:53:30.360 --> 2:53:31.800 I feel like we're trying to get out in front 2:53:31.840 --> 2:53:33.320 of it before it happens. That every day that kind 2:53:33.320 --> 2:53:34.680 of feels less and less likely, at least for a 2:53:34.720 --> 2:53:36.560 lot of people like my age, And it can be 2:53:36.600 --> 2:53:38.400 a very doom and gloom scenario because you feel like 2:53:38.600 --> 2:53:39.920 no one's taking this problem seriously. 2:53:40.000 --> 2:53:41.679 Even Joe Biden's. 2:53:41.320 --> 2:53:44.200 Climate policy is very inadequate according to like a lot 2:53:44.200 --> 2:53:45.600 of a lot of the people that I talk to. 2:53:46.160 --> 2:53:48.520 I guess, see, like, how do you view like the 2:53:48.600 --> 2:53:50.199 scale of this problem right now. 2:53:50.800 --> 2:53:53.920 Yeah, climate change is the kind of environmental challenge of 2:53:53.920 --> 2:53:55.840 our time, right, it should be what you know, we're 2:53:55.840 --> 2:53:58.640 thinking about and focusing on when it comes to environmental policy. 2:53:59.280 --> 2:54:01.000 But I really think we need to kind of take 2:54:01.000 --> 2:54:04.520 a step back, and that kind of push for urgency 2:54:04.680 --> 2:54:07.440 hasn't gotten us anywhere to your point. You know, Joe 2:54:07.440 --> 2:54:10.280 Biden is kind of branding himself as the Climate President, 2:54:10.360 --> 2:54:12.440 but you know a lot of young people are unhappy 2:54:12.480 --> 2:54:15.560 with the platform that he's put forwards. So I think 2:54:15.760 --> 2:54:18.560 when you're talking about the timeline, we're talking about what 2:54:18.600 --> 2:54:21.400 we can do right now to kind of unleash American energy, 2:54:21.440 --> 2:54:24.879 to reduce American emissions, but also global emissions, and really 2:54:24.879 --> 2:54:27.640 think of this on a global scale. So that urgency 2:54:27.680 --> 2:54:31.360 piece isn't quite you know, realistic, or isn't quite what 2:54:31.400 --> 2:54:32.960 we want to focus on, because I don't think it 2:54:33.040 --> 2:54:33.680 leads to action. 2:54:35.240 --> 2:54:37.080 There's kind of two trains of thought in terms of 2:54:37.080 --> 2:54:42.160 like climate policy stuff. There's taking like adaptation roots right, 2:54:42.200 --> 2:54:45.120 trying to adapt to a changing environment that we're going 2:54:45.200 --> 2:54:48.440 to have to face it. It's going to happen versus mitigation. Right. 2:54:48.480 --> 2:54:49.800 For a while, we were trying to find ways to 2:54:49.879 --> 2:54:52.480 mitigate the problem, to kind of get ahead of it, right, 2:54:52.760 --> 2:54:54.840 and that is feeling less and less likely, and we 2:54:54.879 --> 2:54:57.920 are seeing more of these adaptive strategies getting adopted. 2:54:58.000 --> 2:54:58.120 Right. 2:54:58.160 --> 2:55:00.080 There's everything from like you know, people are trying to 2:55:00.120 --> 2:55:03.520 develop better carbon capture, which has its own problems as 2:55:03.560 --> 2:55:07.440 a technology, and you know, everything from like geoengineering even 2:55:07.480 --> 2:55:10.520 to like solar blockage. There's a lot of things that 2:55:10.560 --> 2:55:12.600 people are thinking, like, if we don't get like emissions 2:55:12.640 --> 2:55:14.320 under control, we're gonna have to go to similar more 2:55:14.320 --> 2:55:16.560 of as extreme measures. How much of your focus is 2:55:16.600 --> 2:55:19.679 on adapt developments versus just mitigation. 2:55:20.280 --> 2:55:22.400 Well, we definitely need both. To your point, we have 2:55:22.480 --> 2:55:24.480 to adapt to a change in climate, but we also 2:55:24.680 --> 2:55:28.160 need to be reducing emissions to kind of prevent future effects. 2:55:28.200 --> 2:55:32.000 So I think we kind of set a balance between 2:55:32.040 --> 2:55:34.879 adaptation and mitigation, and frankly, I think sometimes they can 2:55:34.920 --> 2:55:37.440 be really kind of connected and entwined. So something we 2:55:37.480 --> 2:55:42.040 focus on, for instance, is regenerative agriculture, which lowers emissions 2:55:42.400 --> 2:55:45.200 associated with agriculture but also helps the land kind of 2:55:45.200 --> 2:55:47.560 adjust to a change in climate, keeps the soil healthy, 2:55:47.640 --> 2:55:49.760 things like that. So I really think when we're talking 2:55:49.840 --> 2:55:52.879 about climate, we can talk about adaptation and mitigation kind 2:55:52.879 --> 2:55:53.840 of at the same time. 2:55:54.440 --> 2:55:58.800 How do you try to do outreach to a vast 2:55:58.879 --> 2:56:02.280 number of republic Conservatives who simply don't think this is 2:56:02.280 --> 2:56:04.600 a problem, who like just deny this as a problem. 2:56:04.600 --> 2:56:06.200 I think this is like a scam in some way. 2:56:06.680 --> 2:56:08.920 How do you try to tackle that, as you know, 2:56:08.959 --> 2:56:12.440 coming from a similarly like an also conservative position. 2:56:13.120 --> 2:56:16.119 Yeah, so, I mean, we're here at the Republican National Convention, 2:56:16.200 --> 2:56:18.200 and it's been really interesting talking to a lot of 2:56:18.200 --> 2:56:21.720 folks from diverse backgrounds about the issue of climate and 2:56:21.760 --> 2:56:25.320 also environmental conservation. I really do think it matters how 2:56:25.320 --> 2:56:28.280 you start the conversation. We talked earlier about kind of 2:56:28.320 --> 2:56:32.160 our timeline of the legacy of conservative environmentalism. Starting there 2:56:32.200 --> 2:56:34.400 and talking about how we can carry on that legacy 2:56:34.440 --> 2:56:36.680 and how we can tackle kind of this environmental issue 2:56:36.680 --> 2:56:39.400 of our time has been really effective and we've gotten 2:56:39.440 --> 2:56:42.800 a lot of positive reception. You know, there's always going 2:56:42.840 --> 2:56:45.480 to be disagreement, there's always going to be detractors, but 2:56:45.720 --> 2:56:48.160 I do think that there's more and more of kind 2:56:48.200 --> 2:56:50.320 of that acceptance that we need to take care of 2:56:50.320 --> 2:56:53.920 our own backyard. And that includes, you know, tackling climate change. 2:56:54.240 --> 2:56:55.880 How much stuff do you end up having to you know, 2:56:56.120 --> 2:56:58.160 talk about or not necessarily focused on, but at least 2:56:58.160 --> 2:57:01.400 talk about like actual phosiphel missions, racking, these types of 2:57:01.440 --> 2:57:03.240 things that are like mainstays of politics because of how 2:57:03.320 --> 2:57:06.400 much money goes into them, but undeniably are a massive 2:57:06.400 --> 2:57:08.959 contributing factor. And we do need to move to probably 2:57:09.000 --> 2:57:13.240 some more nuclear options to forgive the expression, I guess, 2:57:14.560 --> 2:57:16.800 and you know as well as like a like a 2:57:16.800 --> 2:57:19.440 solar hydro which are you know, less good than nuclear 2:57:19.440 --> 2:57:22.240 on like a large scale. But like you know, especially 2:57:22.280 --> 2:57:24.440 for like the for the Republican Party trying to trying 2:57:24.440 --> 2:57:26.560 to point out certain things about how we will have 2:57:26.600 --> 2:57:29.720 to scale back some degree of fossil fuels, if not 2:57:29.920 --> 2:57:32.440 you know, a majority of it in the next twenty 2:57:32.440 --> 2:57:34.360 five years, if we want to, if we want to 2:57:34.360 --> 2:57:36.959 not have like a pretty bad scenario at least for 2:57:37.080 --> 2:57:39.200 not even just for humans, but for like animals in 2:57:39.560 --> 2:57:40.560 other parts of the environment. 2:57:41.360 --> 2:57:42.800 Yeah, well, I think that goes back to the all 2:57:42.840 --> 2:57:46.360 of the above energy approach and really diversifying our energy portfolio, 2:57:46.360 --> 2:57:48.520 which frankly is not only good for the environment, but 2:57:48.560 --> 2:57:52.039 good for energy security. We've seen you know, hacking of 2:57:52.120 --> 2:57:57.240 pipelines or other kind of cyber energy attacks. So by 2:57:57.760 --> 2:58:00.360 diversifying sources, we're really setting ourselves up to have a 2:58:00.400 --> 2:58:03.039 more secure energy grid. So I think there's other ways 2:58:03.040 --> 2:58:06.080 that you can talk about you know, environmental actions, climate 2:58:06.120 --> 2:58:09.000 actions that have co benefits, and we can talk about 2:58:09.000 --> 2:58:11.120 that in a really productive way with Republicans. 2:58:11.680 --> 2:58:14.080 Do you also focus on like local ecology efforts, like 2:58:14.080 --> 2:58:17.600 you know, like some of the more like Roosevelt style conservation. 2:58:17.879 --> 2:58:19.120 Is that something that you also kind of try to 2:58:19.200 --> 2:58:21.360 advocate for? Also, it's like an on ramch talk about 2:58:21.360 --> 2:58:22.640 these like broader climate issues. 2:58:22.879 --> 2:58:25.040 Absolutely, I love that framing that you used as kind 2:58:25.040 --> 2:58:28.160 of the entry point to climate issues. We have fifty 2:58:28.240 --> 2:58:32.439 thousand young members across the country in about one hundred branches, 2:58:32.520 --> 2:58:36.120 either on college campuses or in young professional communities, and 2:58:36.160 --> 2:58:38.440 they go out and they plant trees in their communities, 2:58:38.480 --> 2:58:42.039 They do park cleanups, they clean up a waterway, They 2:58:42.040 --> 2:58:45.240 have educational speakers to learn more about these issues. And 2:58:45.280 --> 2:58:48.000 we found that that's really really effective in building this 2:58:48.080 --> 2:58:52.560 conservative environmental movement and showing that these values are connected, 2:58:52.560 --> 2:58:55.959 they're compatible, and then that can lead to advocacy on 2:58:56.000 --> 2:58:58.440 the national level for things like we talked about nuclear 2:58:58.560 --> 2:59:02.600 energy or other clean energy sources, So that's been really 2:59:02.600 --> 2:59:03.440 effective for us. 2:59:03.800 --> 2:59:06.600 What would you like to see as a conservative climate 2:59:06.600 --> 2:59:09.520 policy in like ten years, Like what would you hope 2:59:10.200 --> 2:59:14.039 gets adopted to help curtail like, you know, these more 2:59:14.080 --> 2:59:15.280 catastrophic scenarios. 2:59:15.800 --> 2:59:18.280 Great question, and I would hope it perhaps a little 2:59:18.320 --> 2:59:19.240 bit earlier than ten. 2:59:19.200 --> 2:59:23.760 Years, absolutely, but I'm just based on how things have gone. 2:59:24.000 --> 2:59:25.640 Sure, So we have kind of a big three that 2:59:25.640 --> 2:59:28.640 we're focused on right now. Permitting reforms, so getting the 2:59:28.680 --> 2:59:31.480 government out of its own way, frankly, to fight climate change, 2:59:31.480 --> 2:59:38.439 and unleash American energy in the form of clean energy nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal, hydropower, 2:59:38.959 --> 2:59:41.600 and really kind of expand what we can build in 2:59:41.600 --> 2:59:44.879 this country. Again, nuclear energy is really one of the 2:59:44.920 --> 2:59:47.680 focuses for us because it's a baseload energy source that 2:59:47.720 --> 2:59:50.760 can run twenty four to seven, it's clean, and it's 2:59:50.800 --> 2:59:54.320 really secure. So we're really focused on nuclear. And then 2:59:54.360 --> 2:59:57.080 the last thing is American energy dominance. Here in the 2:59:57.160 --> 3:00:00.640 United States, we produce energy safer, cleaner, and more efficiently, 3:00:01.360 --> 3:00:03.360 and we really want to be a leader on the 3:00:03.360 --> 3:00:04.920 world stage. When it comes to energy. 3:00:05.600 --> 3:00:07.400 I think that there is a lot of people, both 3:00:07.480 --> 3:00:10.720 like you know, progressive Democrats who really care about this issue, 3:00:10.840 --> 3:00:13.039 as well as you know a lot of Republicans and 3:00:13.320 --> 3:00:16.440 liberals who have a lot of skepticism about nuclear energy, 3:00:16.560 --> 3:00:20.680 right for some good reasons. There have been some unfortunate 3:00:20.680 --> 3:00:23.400 events that have happened, and I know, like fission and 3:00:23.440 --> 3:00:26.039 fusion have been slowly getting better where I feel like 3:00:26.040 --> 3:00:28.760 we're close to some kind of breakthrough, but we do 3:00:28.879 --> 3:00:30.880 have like kind of a limited time. How do you 3:00:30.920 --> 3:00:34.080 approach kind of talking to people who have a level 3:00:34.080 --> 3:00:36.320 of like risk in terms of nuclear energy and like 3:00:36.920 --> 3:00:39.959 the possible dangers that it's had based on a few accidents, 3:00:39.959 --> 3:00:41.840 even though a lot of a lot of these plants 3:00:41.840 --> 3:00:42.760 are relatively safe. 3:00:43.360 --> 3:00:45.080 Yeah, I love this question. I grew up an hour 3:00:45.160 --> 3:00:48.360 south of Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania, so I have 3:00:48.440 --> 3:00:51.680 a lot of experience with nuclear skepticism. Look, I mean, 3:00:52.320 --> 3:00:55.560 nuclear energy is the safest and cleanest form that we 3:00:55.720 --> 3:00:59.000 have in our back pocket. Yes, there have been some 3:00:59.160 --> 3:01:03.199 unfortunate incident frankly, they're human error, and we understand nuclear 3:01:03.240 --> 3:01:06.400 power a lot better now. We have more safeguards in 3:01:06.480 --> 3:01:11.000 place since incidents like Chernobyl or Three Mile Island, and 3:01:11.640 --> 3:01:16.200 we haven't seen a nuclear meltdown that we were promised 3:01:16.200 --> 3:01:18.840 in the Simpsons or the China Syndrome or something like that. 3:01:19.440 --> 3:01:23.840 The fact is nuclear quote waste is really nuclear spent fuel, 3:01:23.920 --> 3:01:26.920 and we can recycle that and keep producing clean nuclear power. 3:01:27.360 --> 3:01:30.760 We have incredibly well trained nuclear experts at all of 3:01:30.760 --> 3:01:34.600 our power plants across the United States, and they produce clean, 3:01:34.680 --> 3:01:38.320 reliable energy for consumers all over the country. So we 3:01:38.400 --> 3:01:41.160 really need to kind of get over those messaging hurdles 3:01:41.160 --> 3:01:43.080 with nuclear and expand the industry here. 3:01:43.840 --> 3:01:48.520 What do you think will happen if your concerns go unheard? 3:01:48.840 --> 3:01:51.840 Like if this just doesn't this just does doesn't work. 3:01:51.840 --> 3:01:54.200 I think it's kind of continue at the scale and 3:01:54.320 --> 3:01:57.200 like a timeline they have been. What worries do you have? 3:01:58.280 --> 3:02:03.400 Yeah, that's a really excess to to a question. Yeah, 3:02:03.440 --> 3:02:06.320 I mean, I think we're in the seven years since 3:02:06.400 --> 3:02:09.439 we've been founded, we're working really hard to build coalitions 3:02:09.480 --> 3:02:11.680 with a lot of different stakeholders and be heard by 3:02:11.959 --> 3:02:15.560 a lot of different folks in power, and frankly, I'm 3:02:15.680 --> 3:02:19.120 hopeful that we will, you know, pursue solutions to climate 3:02:19.200 --> 3:02:21.440 change that we will you know, for lack of a 3:02:21.440 --> 3:02:24.920 better term, get our act together and pursue these solutions. 3:02:25.320 --> 3:02:27.000 And really, I think the biggest thing that I like 3:02:27.040 --> 3:02:29.520 to focus on when it comes to climate advocacy is 3:02:29.600 --> 3:02:32.320 optimism and this idea that you know, the planet is 3:02:32.360 --> 3:02:35.400 our one common denominator and we can unite around that. 3:02:36.400 --> 3:02:39.960 And you know, already in Congress we've seen bipartisan legislation 3:02:40.120 --> 3:02:44.039 in a really polarizing time that focuses on climate. Probably 3:02:44.040 --> 3:02:46.920 the last big package in the one hundred and eighteenth 3:02:46.920 --> 3:02:50.640 Congress was a nuclear package to unleash next generation nuclears. 3:02:50.680 --> 3:02:53.200 So I know I'm not exactly answering your question, but 3:02:53.280 --> 3:02:55.240 I am extremely optimistic about the future. 3:02:55.840 --> 3:02:57.640 Do you think there's a path towards some kind of 3:02:57.720 --> 3:03:01.080 bipartisan advocacy not just like the Senate, but also like 3:03:01.080 --> 3:03:03.240 in terms of like environmental movements and like protests. And 3:03:03.320 --> 3:03:06.480 obviously there's certain people who employ very theatrical tactics that 3:03:06.640 --> 3:03:11.039 maybe don't correlate to much improved means, But do you 3:03:11.040 --> 3:03:13.640 see there's a possibility of, like, you know, a larger 3:03:13.920 --> 3:03:16.120 public call for action on this issue. I mean mean, 3:03:16.360 --> 3:03:18.680 something that we've covered on our show a while ago, 3:03:18.760 --> 3:03:21.200 is like will it take something like a general strike 3:03:21.240 --> 3:03:23.560 to even like get people to like realize like we 3:03:23.959 --> 3:03:27.240 need this to be done, Like not necessarily that option, 3:03:27.320 --> 3:03:30.520 but like do you see like a route towards more 3:03:31.360 --> 3:03:35.879 bipartisan activism and advocacy of this issue. 3:03:36.120 --> 3:03:37.959 Yeah, that's a great question. We do a lot of 3:03:38.000 --> 3:03:40.880 bridge building work. I was actually in Los Angeles earlier 3:03:40.920 --> 3:03:44.160 this year with a group of conservative climate advocates and 3:03:44.200 --> 3:03:47.600 progressive climate advocates and we talked about solutions where there's 3:03:47.640 --> 3:03:49.480 common ground, and then we finished the day by doing 3:03:49.520 --> 3:03:51.840 a beach clean up together. So I really do think 3:03:51.840 --> 3:03:53.879 there's a lot of opportunity to kind of unite on 3:03:53.879 --> 3:03:58.000 this issue, especially in younger generations. When I talked about 3:03:58.000 --> 3:04:00.640 Hope earlier, they're the ones who really of me hope, 3:04:00.959 --> 3:04:02.520 and I think there's a lot of common ground that 3:04:02.520 --> 3:04:03.480 we can pursue together. 3:04:04.080 --> 3:04:05.800 That's all I had And unless you have any any 3:04:05.840 --> 3:04:07.680 other notes, who are points you wanted to mention? 3:04:08.240 --> 3:04:10.120 If you want to find ACC, you can find us 3:04:10.120 --> 3:04:14.080 at ACC dot e COO, or ACC Underscore National on 3:04:14.120 --> 3:04:16.160 social platforms. But that's it for me. 3:04:17.240 --> 3:04:20.600 Well, I hope that was slightly informative and now we 3:04:20.640 --> 3:04:26.400 will inform you about the Heritage Foundations private exclusive party 3:04:27.040 --> 3:04:38.720 after these messages. 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Let us infiltrate famous hate group, the 3:04:47.120 --> 3:04:50.240 Heritage Foundations social house party. 3:04:50.400 --> 3:04:52.280 We got all up in the first off a lot 3:04:52.280 --> 3:04:53.640 of microwave grade food. 3:04:54.080 --> 3:04:56.599 It was the worst food we've had in all of Milwaukee. 3:04:56.920 --> 3:04:59.600 Was it Heritage and Foundation Great Meals? 3:05:00.280 --> 3:05:03.640 Yes, that is a very notable that the Heritage Foundation 3:05:03.720 --> 3:05:06.040 had the worst food that we've had this entire week. 3:05:06.200 --> 3:05:06.840 Not shocked. 3:05:07.080 --> 3:05:09.600 First of all, they let you two as well as 3:05:09.600 --> 3:05:11.480 another one of our friends come in off of my 3:05:11.640 --> 3:05:15.000 access code, which is very funny, and that we took 3:05:15.200 --> 3:05:18.039 one of the most hilarious photos we've ever taken together. 3:05:18.680 --> 3:05:20.440 And then we then we met with one of the 3:05:20.480 --> 3:05:23.840 producers the Daily Wire and watched him try to figure 3:05:23.840 --> 3:05:26.640 out who we are as I introduced him, funny name 3:05:26.720 --> 3:05:29.080 he was. He was just calculating, and then some lady 3:05:29.120 --> 3:05:31.400 came up and disrupted and we just fucking. 3:05:31.200 --> 3:05:34.120 You can see the little like thinking thing to do 3:05:34.600 --> 3:05:35.640 like third. 3:05:35.360 --> 3:05:38.879 Grade edition, and I wasn't the math was not mathing. 3:05:38.600 --> 3:05:40.560 It was like that one BABC Sherlock scene. He was 3:05:40.560 --> 3:05:42.080 trying to pull up he was trying to pull up 3:05:42.120 --> 3:05:45.879 the files. Yes, didn't work, didn't work, didn't have enough time. 3:05:46.280 --> 3:05:48.440 We stayed in that party, Robert, you seen that party 3:05:48.480 --> 3:05:49.360 for like five straight hours. 3:05:49.400 --> 3:05:51.640 I was there for a long time. For every drink 3:05:51.680 --> 3:05:53.480 I wanted to drink, I would order another and just 3:05:53.520 --> 3:05:56.080 pour it out because I wanted. I wanted to make 3:05:56.120 --> 3:05:58.679 them spend the money. It was going to go somewhere. 3:05:58.280 --> 3:06:00.640 Free for us, but not free for them. So as 3:06:00.720 --> 3:06:06.160 Robert was was schmoosion with the Heritage Foundation attendees, guys 3:06:06.480 --> 3:06:09.600 mean Sophie went into the convention center to hear some speeches, 3:06:09.959 --> 3:06:12.879 and most of them today honestly pretty boring, and even 3:06:13.240 --> 3:06:15.400 even in the notable ones were also kind of boring. 3:06:15.720 --> 3:06:18.080 The one I guess we'll talk about just very briefly 3:06:18.160 --> 3:06:20.879 is Don Junior's speech. First, he brought out his daughter, 3:06:20.959 --> 3:06:21.920 Trump's granddaughter. 3:06:22.040 --> 3:06:23.400 Before you get to that, do you want to go 3:06:23.400 --> 3:06:24.800 over what the theme of the day was. 3:06:25.560 --> 3:06:31.600 No, I mean maybe we can, we can mention it. 3:06:31.640 --> 3:06:33.320 I don't feel how relevant it was to any of 3:06:33.320 --> 3:06:35.720 the speeches. It was just make America strong. It was 3:06:36.680 --> 3:06:39.400 strong once again. Sorry, once again. 3:06:39.959 --> 3:06:41.800 Interesting that they didn't want to sound out Massa. 3:06:42.560 --> 3:06:46.920 You know. Anyways, I guess, I guess it's really not 3:06:46.959 --> 3:06:49.800 that relevant. I just just to point out that on 3:06:49.879 --> 3:06:53.800 the previous days for the different themes, there was very 3:06:53.840 --> 3:06:55.840 intricate backgrounds that were up. 3:06:56.080 --> 3:06:58.800 They didn't know anything strong again, they. 3:06:58.640 --> 3:07:01.800 Were like, so they phoned it the fucking yeah, and 3:07:01.840 --> 3:07:05.039 there was no interesting background anyways, Garrett, what were you saying? 3:07:05.360 --> 3:07:11.160 So Donald Trump Junior's daughter, So Trump, the actual real 3:07:11.200 --> 3:07:16.160 ones granddaughter gave this little this little speechman to humanize her. 3:07:16.200 --> 3:07:20.800 Grand Grandpa is a nice guy, calls me and asks 3:07:20.879 --> 3:07:21.920 me how I am. 3:07:22.240 --> 3:07:26.000 That was basically the speech, which is lovely. Is sure? 3:07:26.080 --> 3:07:26.440 Why not? 3:07:26.800 --> 3:07:29.240 It was her first speech. I don't think any of 3:07:29.280 --> 3:07:32.160 the other grandchildren have given speeches before. 3:07:32.240 --> 3:07:34.160 No, this is kind of the first appearance of one 3:07:34.200 --> 3:07:35.280 of Trump's grandkids. 3:07:35.360 --> 3:07:38.640 Yes, And the way it was framed is don Junior 3:07:38.680 --> 3:07:41.200 came up and then was like she just called me. 3:07:41.720 --> 3:07:45.080 It was very intentionally propaganda's It was also. 3:07:44.879 --> 3:07:47.240 The most happy I've seen Trump this entire week. 3:07:47.280 --> 3:07:50.840 Though he might actually care about his granddaughter. 3:07:50.480 --> 3:07:52.840 Yes, definitely more than his son had. 3:07:52.840 --> 3:07:54.039 It would be hard to care less. 3:07:54.320 --> 3:07:56.480 I'm not sure how much they've they've shown it on TV, 3:07:56.760 --> 3:07:58.600 but you know, I had a view of him the 3:07:58.800 --> 3:08:00.879 entire night tonight right from where I was sitting. I 3:08:00.879 --> 3:08:02.840 was an angle where I can see his face, and 3:08:02.879 --> 3:08:04.680 they showed his face on the screen a bunch, and 3:08:04.720 --> 3:08:10.320 he was genuinely stoic. I would say he smiled for 3:08:10.440 --> 3:08:14.800 his granddaughter definitely the most, and maybe once sturring Kimberly 3:08:14.840 --> 3:08:18.200 Gilfoyle's speech at the very end, But other than that, 3:08:18.560 --> 3:08:21.360 I did not see much emotion from him today, and 3:08:21.400 --> 3:08:23.160 it was pretty similar to the rest of the week. 3:08:23.200 --> 3:08:24.760 I think, you again, you have to keep in mind 3:08:24.800 --> 3:08:27.520 with him whatever I mean, we hate him. He's a 3:08:27.520 --> 3:08:31.560 bad man, he's a monster, would be the worst possible 3:08:31.640 --> 3:08:35.240 president we could have. But he's also a person who 3:08:35.280 --> 3:08:38.039 got shot and he's traumatized, you know, and like you 3:08:38.080 --> 3:08:41.120 don't have to like make up excuses for that. Like 3:08:41.160 --> 3:08:43.640 he is a human being who is scared because a 3:08:43.680 --> 3:08:46.920 man shot him in the head, and that's really not 3:08:47.520 --> 3:08:50.160 a complicated thing to diagnose. 3:08:50.600 --> 3:08:53.000 So after the granddaughter gave her a little spiel, Trump 3:08:53.120 --> 3:08:56.360 Junior himself had a little speech that he was basically 3:08:56.440 --> 3:08:58.200 just doing an impression of his father for the. 3:08:58.280 --> 3:09:00.440 Entire time dog shit impreson. 3:09:00.480 --> 3:09:03.240 It's not a very good impression, but compared to Vans 3:09:03.280 --> 3:09:05.119 it was still it was very impressive. 3:09:05.400 --> 3:09:06.440 We'll get to that in a second. 3:09:06.440 --> 3:09:09.199 I will say the crowd did really, really. 3:09:09.160 --> 3:09:11.000 He seemed to like him. There was chance of you know, 3:09:11.560 --> 3:09:13.119 Trump Junior twenty twenty eight. 3:09:13.520 --> 3:09:16.080 It reminded me of when I was at my first 3:09:16.120 --> 3:09:19.279 Trump rally. This would have been in the late spring, 3:09:19.320 --> 3:09:25.320 early summer of twenty sixteen, when fucking Chris Christie conceded 3:09:25.360 --> 3:09:28.520 to Trump. There was a British naturalized citizen in the 3:09:28.520 --> 3:09:31.440 crowd of the rally, and I was like, you want 3:09:31.480 --> 3:09:33.440 him to be president for eight years? And he was like, well, 3:09:33.440 --> 3:09:35.440 I wanted to be president for eight years to start, 3:09:35.520 --> 3:09:37.959 And I was like, to start, what happens next? He's like, well, 3:09:38.000 --> 3:09:40.960 he's got three kids, doesn't he. Then he like walked 3:09:40.959 --> 3:09:44.000 through his basic plan for Trump to have a dynasty 3:09:44.120 --> 3:09:47.199 like the royal family. And I wish I had said, 3:09:47.520 --> 3:09:51.279 go back home, go back home to your fucking country 3:09:51.280 --> 3:09:53.520 with your goddamn royal family. We don't have that here, 3:09:53.600 --> 3:09:54.720 but we might. They wanted it. 3:09:54.879 --> 3:09:58.680 Yeah, late here the idea of the King's becoming increasingly popular. 3:09:58.800 --> 3:10:02.199 You have never told me that story, and I am well, 3:10:02.200 --> 3:10:02.520 thank you. 3:10:02.520 --> 3:10:04.160 I got great audio of that guy. 3:10:04.280 --> 3:10:07.640 Thank you so much. That is going to haut me tonight. Garrisden. 3:10:07.720 --> 3:10:09.720 What else, Yeah, I mean Trum Junior had a few 3:10:09.760 --> 3:10:13.000 funny lines, making fun of build back Better, making some 3:10:13.080 --> 3:10:14.320 corn pop jokes mad a. 3:10:14.280 --> 3:10:19.720 Corn pop joke, the cookes in the bulbit, very funny. 3:10:20.240 --> 3:10:22.160 The one line I do want to mention is that 3:10:22.200 --> 3:10:25.120 he talked about how the left wants to use the 3:10:25.160 --> 3:10:29.560 First Amendment to show kids explicit drag shows, but they 3:10:29.600 --> 3:10:32.360 want to put you into jail for making a meme, 3:10:32.800 --> 3:10:35.359 something that has never happened, not a single. 3:10:35.080 --> 3:10:38.280 Time, not once, not one. They barely put people into 3:10:38.320 --> 3:10:41.320 jail for assaulting the capital. Yeah. 3:10:41.360 --> 3:10:44.440 So that was most of his speech. We then heard 3:10:44.600 --> 3:10:50.360 from Vance's wife, who gave a typical Vice first lady speech. 3:10:50.400 --> 3:10:54.160 It wasn't notable. And then we heard from Vance himself, 3:10:54.280 --> 3:10:57.520 the the the hopeful future vice president. 3:10:57.760 --> 3:10:59.760 What sorry, I was taking a nap. 3:11:00.320 --> 3:11:02.600 Wait, Sophia, soay, wake up, wake up, we're recording a 3:11:02.640 --> 3:11:03.280 podcast here. 3:11:03.320 --> 3:11:03.480 Wow. 3:11:03.720 --> 3:11:06.879 Sorry, Just the sound of Jdbans's name put me right 3:11:06.879 --> 3:11:07.320 to sleep. 3:11:07.959 --> 3:11:11.199 He gave what I would describe and people have since 3:11:11.240 --> 3:11:14.080 described it's kind of a bad speech slop. 3:11:14.240 --> 3:11:16.680 You guys were in the stadium. I was sitting at 3:11:16.680 --> 3:11:19.039 the Heritage finn Ocean party on an upper roof dome. 3:11:19.160 --> 3:11:19.880 Yeah, what'd they think? 3:11:19.959 --> 3:11:22.360 There were three people during most of it, and then 3:11:22.440 --> 3:11:25.400 like four others filtered in. When those guys left, every 3:11:25.440 --> 3:11:28.000 single one of them was disappointed. The only guy who 3:11:28.160 --> 3:11:30.760 liked it was a Fox News reporter, and when he left, 3:11:30.840 --> 3:11:33.440 the people who had been like, well he was okay, 3:11:33.600 --> 3:11:35.840 said well, I hate that I had to lie in 3:11:35.840 --> 3:11:38.160 front of that guy, but he was media. I was 3:11:38.240 --> 3:11:40.560 kind of just sitting on my phone pretending to be 3:11:40.640 --> 3:11:43.800 texting and listening to them, so they didn't really notice me. 3:11:43.879 --> 3:11:47.080 But the ultimate feeling that they expressed repeatedly was that 3:11:47.200 --> 3:11:50.640 was really disappointing. It was really boring. It was really long. 3:11:51.240 --> 3:11:53.720 He is not a great speaker. There was one guy 3:11:53.800 --> 3:11:56.560 who repeatedly said, I don't like that his wife isn't white. 3:11:56.600 --> 3:11:59.280 I wish his wife was white. And then there was 3:11:59.320 --> 3:12:02.040 a guy who was kind of a more libertarian of 3:12:02.120 --> 3:12:04.400 the Republican Party who I had chatted with, who came 3:12:04.440 --> 3:12:07.080 in and like sat down to have a drink, and 3:12:07.840 --> 3:12:10.360 you know, was expressing that he liked Vance's speech. And 3:12:10.360 --> 3:12:12.680 the guy said, what are you a Cuban? And the 3:12:12.720 --> 3:12:14.960 guy said no, and he's like, well, you're not white. 3:12:15.360 --> 3:12:18.200 So that was great, amazing stuff happening in the Heritage 3:12:18.240 --> 3:12:19.560 Foundation private party. 3:12:19.560 --> 3:12:21.800 The Foundation party was was a good time. 3:12:21.959 --> 3:12:25.480 Yeah, so this is something I was even seeing in 3:12:25.560 --> 3:12:28.039 the convention people there. You know, there was there was 3:12:28.040 --> 3:12:31.680 some like you know, respectful clapping, but people weren't super 3:12:31.680 --> 3:12:33.800 into it, at least in the sections that we were at. 3:12:34.040 --> 3:12:35.840 The lady sitting next to me, he was, you know, 3:12:35.959 --> 3:12:39.000 just like a Republican woman her maybe fifties or sixties, 3:12:39.080 --> 3:12:42.320 very very lucid, kind of just like kept dozing off 3:12:42.400 --> 3:12:44.280 just because she was so bored, not like because she 3:12:44.320 --> 3:12:45.640 was sleepy, just because she was bored. 3:12:45.720 --> 3:12:46.520 Wasn't a good speech. 3:12:46.840 --> 3:12:50.040 No, She looks at me and she said, he's so dry. 3:12:50.600 --> 3:12:50.880 Yeah. 3:12:50.920 --> 3:12:53.240 So at a certain point I just I just kind 3:12:53.240 --> 3:12:56.320 of whispered to Sophie, like, wow, Vance is a really 3:12:56.400 --> 3:12:59.080 dry speaker. And she kin she kind of like nodded 3:12:59.120 --> 3:13:02.160 awake and and started and started started like nodding her 3:13:02.200 --> 3:13:04.879 head in agreement and repeated the same thing to us. 3:13:04.920 --> 3:13:07.720 And I asked her, you know, like, well, who do 3:13:07.720 --> 3:13:11.480 you think would have been a better pick? And she said, well, 3:13:12.120 --> 3:13:14.800 I don't know. I just expected Advance to be a 3:13:14.800 --> 3:13:18.520 better rhetorical speaker. And that was all she would say. 3:13:18.920 --> 3:13:20.880 And I feel like that was kind of generally the vibe. 3:13:20.920 --> 3:13:23.800 Like something else. I noticed that he was like, actually, okay, 3:13:23.840 --> 3:13:25.800 and you know, the certain things he was talking about, 3:13:25.800 --> 3:13:27.400 you know what he was actually saying, you know, there 3:13:27.400 --> 3:13:29.480 were certain things that were interesting. It was more like 3:13:29.520 --> 3:13:31.760 the way he was saying it. It was it was specifically. 3:13:32.080 --> 3:13:34.760 He had no ability to do crowd work. He was 3:13:34.800 --> 3:13:36.959 just reading out the teleprompter and kind of doing a 3:13:37.000 --> 3:13:39.600 slight smile every thirty seconds, and that's all was. He 3:13:39.640 --> 3:13:42.119 wasn't actually really seriously engaging people. 3:13:42.120 --> 3:13:44.480 Make fun of the bits where Trump dances or whatever 3:13:44.560 --> 3:13:46.760 his little moves, but those play those work. 3:13:47.240 --> 3:13:49.720 Even like pointing out people using gestures kind of anything 3:13:49.720 --> 3:13:52.000 to connect you to the audience. Vance was just so 3:13:52.320 --> 3:13:53.720 was so dry, was so plain. 3:13:54.120 --> 3:13:56.600 I think the biggest action from his speech was just 3:13:56.680 --> 3:13:58.120 the people in the crowd who liked to chant. 3:13:58.320 --> 3:14:01.440 We were just really into chanting to chant ted Cruz gave 3:14:01.520 --> 3:14:04.240 him a great He like that. He kind of lost 3:14:04.360 --> 3:14:06.720 them early in his speech the night before and won 3:14:06.760 --> 3:14:09.560 them back because he gave them a chance to chair 3:14:09.600 --> 3:14:12.360 repeatedly went through they like that, they like to chat, 3:14:12.560 --> 3:14:13.360 they're chanters. 3:14:13.680 --> 3:14:15.800 Want to give us some of the chanting highlightscare. 3:14:16.000 --> 3:14:19.760 Yeah, so he was definitely leaning into like his hillbilly 3:14:20.080 --> 3:14:21.879 or faux hillbilly background. 3:14:22.200 --> 3:14:24.959 Motherfucker, sorry, your parents made one hundred and seventy five 3:14:25.000 --> 3:14:27.800 thousand goddamn dollars a year speaking to somebody who grew 3:14:27.840 --> 3:14:31.600 up in a fucking rural ass Oklahoma, like fucking carpetbagger. 3:14:32.040 --> 3:14:33.959 That was what he was using for most of his speech. 3:14:34.240 --> 3:14:37.480 He was he was telling stories about the woman who 3:14:37.600 --> 3:14:40.880 raised him when his own mom was dealing with addiction, 3:14:41.000 --> 3:14:42.640 who he referred to as his. 3:14:42.640 --> 3:14:45.840 Mem uh huh and fucking god damn it. 3:14:46.120 --> 3:14:48.720 The first big chant I took note of is he 3:14:48.760 --> 3:14:51.800 told a story about how he was hanging out when 3:14:51.800 --> 3:14:53.120 he was like a kid or like a teen. He 3:14:53.160 --> 3:14:55.320 was hanging out with someone who was known to be 3:14:55.360 --> 3:14:58.920 like a local drug dealer, and his mem told him 3:14:59.160 --> 3:15:02.320 that if she saw him hanging out with that guy again, 3:15:02.640 --> 3:15:05.000 she was going to run him over in a truck 3:15:05.240 --> 3:15:07.560 run over the drug dealer and no one's gonna find 3:15:07.600 --> 3:15:10.440 out about it, and the crowd ate this up. They 3:15:10.440 --> 3:15:13.520 started chanting, me ma, me ma, So they were they 3:15:13.520 --> 3:15:16.240 weren't chanting about killing this drug dealer, right, they were 3:15:16.440 --> 3:15:18.800 chanting about murdering. They're murdering this drug dealer. 3:15:18.920 --> 3:15:21.400 Jd Vance never met a drug dealer in his fucking life. 3:15:21.440 --> 3:15:22.160 I'll tell you that one. 3:15:22.240 --> 3:15:24.720 So that was the first one. And the next little 3:15:24.720 --> 3:15:27.040 Bema story he told is that when she was a 3:15:27.080 --> 3:15:31.720 little bit older. He said that after she died, they 3:15:31.800 --> 3:15:36.200 found nineteen loaded handguns all over her house and they 3:15:36.280 --> 3:15:39.039 realized it's because she wasn't able to move very fast, 3:15:39.600 --> 3:15:42.600 so she always wanted a gun no matter where she was. 3:15:42.640 --> 3:15:44.280 She wanted to be in armslength the gun, whether that 3:15:44.360 --> 3:15:47.360 be in the cutlery drawer, by the TV remote, under 3:15:47.360 --> 3:15:52.720 the bed, because she wanted to protect her family even 3:15:52.760 --> 3:15:56.000 though she was old. And this this led into another 3:15:56.120 --> 3:15:59.879 another chance, specifically the nineteen loaded handguns just again went 3:16:00.080 --> 3:16:02.960 the crowd ate that up, and the crowd even sort 3:16:02.959 --> 3:16:05.440 of just chanting about how good they were at chanting. 3:16:05.720 --> 3:16:08.840 It became very self referential, very like patting yourself on 3:16:08.879 --> 3:16:09.400 the back. 3:16:09.240 --> 3:16:11.320 For chanting money. These people love chanting. 3:16:11.600 --> 3:16:14.240 And yeah, that was that was. That was most events 3:16:14.320 --> 3:16:17.040 is speech. It wasn't very good, it was too long. 3:16:17.560 --> 3:16:21.000 Almost unanimously people at the Heritage Foundation party did not 3:16:21.240 --> 3:16:22.440 like it. So they did not get that. 3:16:24.760 --> 3:16:28.760 One pseudo positive, which was the Fox News journalist. 3:16:28.320 --> 3:16:30.800 Who I'm sure is contractually obligated to like it. 3:16:30.920 --> 3:16:33.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and who the people there made fun 3:16:33.480 --> 3:16:34.200 of when he left. 3:16:34.400 --> 3:16:34.600 Yes. 3:16:34.760 --> 3:16:35.000 Well. 3:16:35.320 --> 3:16:38.120 We talked to a campaign manager earlier at the at 3:16:38.160 --> 3:16:41.160 the Heritage Party just regarding kind of the race in general, 3:16:41.200 --> 3:16:45.360 mentioning stuff about the upcoming vice presidential debates, which the 3:16:45.400 --> 3:16:47.440 Trump Badman put out a statement saying they don't want 3:16:47.440 --> 3:16:49.320 to lock down any details on this until they actually 3:16:49.360 --> 3:16:51.880 know who the vice president's going to be sold on that, 3:16:51.959 --> 3:16:54.119 which is a good piece of propaganda and so and 3:16:54.160 --> 3:16:56.280 we were talking about that and and bringing it up 3:16:56.320 --> 3:16:58.360 to some of these people at the Heritage Party, like 3:16:58.440 --> 3:17:01.480 who do you think actually is going to be Democratic nominee? 3:17:02.040 --> 3:17:04.200 Many of them did not believe it was going to 3:17:04.200 --> 3:17:07.320 be Joe Biden. Many of them thought that it either 3:17:07.440 --> 3:17:11.000 could be an unknown candidate at this point or more 3:17:11.120 --> 3:17:13.760 likely probably kamalaw And this is something that I've been 3:17:13.760 --> 3:17:17.240 noticing is that every time in these speeches where they're 3:17:17.280 --> 3:17:20.760 talking about Joe Biden's policies, they're not just saying Joe Biden, 3:17:20.840 --> 3:17:25.320 They're saying Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's, well, well, Kamala 3:17:25.480 --> 3:17:29.520 Kamala Harris in one instance, Kamala Harris's policies. So they 3:17:29.520 --> 3:17:32.640 are already preparing to start shifting their rhetoric onto kamalaw 3:17:32.959 --> 3:17:35.840 That is something that the opposition's already planning to do. 3:17:36.280 --> 3:17:39.120 And you know, as as of today, which is which 3:17:39.160 --> 3:17:43.440 is Wednesday night, we've heard that both Biden made announcements 3:17:43.440 --> 3:17:45.200 in the same day that he would step down if 3:17:45.240 --> 3:17:48.000 he was to face this serious medical diagnosis, and he 3:17:48.040 --> 3:17:48.800 also got COVID. 3:17:48.800 --> 3:17:51.680 The same the look on your face when we told 3:17:51.720 --> 3:17:56.280 you that Joe Biden had COVID, you were you were thrilled. Okay, 3:17:56.320 --> 3:18:00.760 well we shouldn't say that either. Anyway. 3:18:01.000 --> 3:18:04.000 That is kind of a brief glimpse into the Heritage 3:18:04.000 --> 3:18:07.520 Foundation party. I guess that the vibes were more similar 3:18:07.800 --> 3:18:10.360 to what is I think well known now as the 3:18:10.480 --> 3:18:13.400 least good episode of The Boys, that private Tech night 3:18:13.520 --> 3:18:17.840 party combined with like a frat, a frat bro bar hop. 3:18:17.959 --> 3:18:20.959 What I'll say about this is they had an EDM 3:18:21.080 --> 3:18:25.080 track set to Country Road Take Me Home. I will 3:18:25.120 --> 3:18:28.840 say that like if you were to, if you were 3:18:28.879 --> 3:18:32.160 to put that side by side with the plane crash 3:18:32.240 --> 3:18:34.760 that killed the author of that song, I think he 3:18:34.800 --> 3:18:37.320 would agree with you. This party was worse. 3:18:38.400 --> 3:18:41.400 One worth thing I wanted to note was I did 3:18:41.400 --> 3:18:43.440 not go to the party for seven hundred hours like 3:18:43.480 --> 3:18:45.640 the two of you. I went home after all the 3:18:45.680 --> 3:18:48.320 speeches home. I went back to the hotel, after all 3:18:48.360 --> 3:18:48.800 the speeches. 3:18:49.000 --> 3:18:50.280 That country road take you home. 3:18:50.480 --> 3:18:52.480 That country road took me home to a place you belonged. 3:18:52.760 --> 3:18:55.680 And I had a very very very nice lift driver. Sir, 3:18:55.800 --> 3:18:58.480 if you're if you buy a sub chance listen to podcasts. 3:18:58.520 --> 3:19:00.800 You were very nice. Thank you. After what was a 3:19:00.959 --> 3:19:04.520 very loud day, there was a guy holding a rest 3:19:04.600 --> 3:19:09.240 in peace sign with the photo of the guy who 3:19:09.520 --> 3:19:13.120 attempted to assassinate the president, with the caption and American 3:19:13.200 --> 3:19:15.840 hero great stuff. Yes, I took a photo of it. 3:19:16.280 --> 3:19:18.880 And the amount of people leaving the R and C 3:19:19.360 --> 3:19:25.080 that just shouted their worst many slurs at him were countless. 3:19:25.120 --> 3:19:28.959 And I don't know if anything else happened further after that, 3:19:29.400 --> 3:19:31.160 but very strange choice. 3:19:31.560 --> 3:19:32.560 That is an interesting move. 3:19:32.640 --> 3:19:35.279 All I know is that based on the last postings 3:19:35.520 --> 3:19:41.080 of the victim of that shooting, Corey Comparatour, he'll get 3:19:41.120 --> 3:19:43.400 over it. The Japanese dead. 3:19:43.760 --> 3:19:48.280 Well, anyway, that wraps up our coverage this week of 3:19:48.320 --> 3:19:51.480 the Republican National Convention. We will lead next week with 3:19:51.600 --> 3:19:55.920 Trump's first public speech since the shooting. That'll be dropping 3:19:55.959 --> 3:19:56.600 Sunday night. 3:19:56.720 --> 3:19:59.920 Maybe just a little bit of mayor rudy, little sprink 3:20:00.000 --> 3:20:02.920 I'll seeze in some rudy as a tree. Some squeeze 3:20:02.959 --> 3:20:05.480 in like like he squeezed out some of that hair juice. 3:20:05.640 --> 3:20:07.760 That's right, Jesus Christ. 3:20:07.920 --> 3:20:10.680 Well, thank you for listening to our initial coverage of 3:20:10.680 --> 3:20:13.200 the RNC. We have more scripted episodes, more kind of 3:20:13.200 --> 3:20:17.080 polished deep dives about the people and conversations that we 3:20:17.240 --> 3:20:20.680 have had here in beautiful Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 3:20:20.720 --> 3:20:22.400 And remember, folks, if you're going to take a bullet 3:20:22.440 --> 3:20:26.280 for somebody, Donald Trump does not care, not interested at it. 3:20:26.320 --> 3:20:28.520 He's not making the funeral, is not He is not 3:20:28.560 --> 3:20:30.039 going to show up at your funeral. 3:20:31.160 --> 3:20:34.760 Wow, that's a loud chair, painfully loud chair. You know 3:20:34.800 --> 3:20:38.400 what else is painfully loud The Heritage Foundation Party. Anyway, 3:20:38.440 --> 3:20:42.959 We're done, good night, good night. Hey. 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