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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 2: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 2: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 2: you can make your own decisions. Robert Evans here and

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Speaker 2: this is it could Happen here a podcast out Things

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Speaker 2: falling apart, and boy they share seem to be, don't they.

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Speaker 2: The twenty twenty four election is terrifying a lot of

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Speaker 2: people at this stage after a disastrous debate performance by

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden. And this episode will be coming out on

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Speaker 2: the Monday that the Republican National Convention starts in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are terrified about a Trump dictatorship,

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Speaker 2: about Project twenty twenty five and all that that entails.

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Speaker 2: And I want to tell you first off, you know

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Speaker 2: we will be having a lot of coverage from the convention. Garrison,

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Speaker 2: Sophie and I are all going to be there all week.

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Speaker 2: you our experiences here and everything that we encounter on

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Speaker 2: up being a pretty important week for the American fascist movement.

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Speaker 2: But right now, what I want to address is the

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Speaker 2: sense of kind of unbridled terror that I've seen from

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Speaker 2: a lot of people around me, not just leftists, but

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Speaker 2: potential of what a Trump second term might bring with

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Speaker 2: it and are rightfully terrified. So I want to first off,

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Speaker 2: tell everyone in that bucket, don't panic. That's what this

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Speaker 2: be preparing, And we talk about the various things you

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Speaker 2: can do organizing in your community, taking action to support migrants,

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Speaker 2: victory and the overall struggle against these fucking maniacts so

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Speaker 2: as most regular listeners will know, Back in the spring

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Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen, I published the first season of It

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Speaker 2: Could Happen Here, which was originally a scripted podcast about

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Speaker 2: the very real possibility of a civil conflict in the

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Speaker 2: United States. The years since have proven several of my

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Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of listeners had variants of that exact

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Speaker 2: experience thanks to the George Floyd uprisings. I was humbled

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Speaker 2: Another of these guys is Jack Pisobic, a former Navy

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Speaker 2: a tie. Now, this still isn't great for Biden because

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Speaker 2: they all writes this election should not be close. But

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people have made the mistake

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Speaker 2: of conflating disgust for Biden with surging support for Trump,

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Speaker 2: and that just is not what we're seeing. More evidence

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Speaker 2: for this comes from a recent ABC Your Voice poll,

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Speaker 2: which showed fifty percent of the country having an unfavorable

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Speaker 2: opinion of Biden and fifty nine percent having an unfavorable

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Speaker 2: opinion of Trump. Part of why so many of these

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Speaker 2: outright fascists have gone mask off is that they see

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Speaker 2: these numbers too. They know that this moment right now

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Speaker 2: is their best shot, maybe ever, at taking this country,

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Speaker 2: crushing their enemies and inflicting the pain that it is

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Speaker 2: their only purpose in life to inflict. And they might win,

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Speaker 2: They might get to do that. The Heritage Foundation is

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Speaker 2: not at the heart of the Trump campaign, but any

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Speaker 2: step closer to total power for these people should ring

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Speaker 2: alarm bells in every heart and head in this country.

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Speaker 2: Yet the severity of the situation does not change this

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Speaker 2: absolutely crucial fact. The fascists snow the wind is no

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Speaker 2: longer at their backs, and I'm going to talk about

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Speaker 2: that when we come back from this ad break. Despite

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Speaker 2: how confident the Trump campaign and guys like Jack Pisobac

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Speaker 2: are talking right now about their chances of winning, of

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Speaker 2: dominating the government, of taking control of America for generations,

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Speaker 2: and purging the left, the reality is that their position

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Speaker 2: is not nearly as stable as it seems. And part

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Speaker 2: why I think a lot of folks buy into a

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Speaker 2: lot of folks on the left in liberals buy into

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Speaker 2: the claims that the right is making right now about

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Speaker 2: their guaranteed victory, about their looming inevitable victory. Is that

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Speaker 2: Americans tend to be pretty self centered when it comes

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Speaker 2: to politics, and it is understandable that this nail bier

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Speaker 2: of an election in Joe Biden's calamitist debate performance has

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Speaker 2: people here feeling doomed and feeling like a new fascist

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Speaker 2: world order is inevitable. If you feel that way, though,

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Speaker 2: I urge you to look around the world. Look to India,

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Speaker 2: where authoritarian near dictator Narindra Modi was just dealt a

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Speaker 2: startling setback in the Indian general election. His party, the BJP,

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Speaker 2: failed to win a majority for the first time since

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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. Now, this is not the end of Modi,

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Speaker 2: but it is a shocking sign of where the wind

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Speaker 2: is blowing and the backlash that has started to form

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Speaker 2: against the far right worldwide. In the UK, the Labor

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Speaker 2: Party just won a landslide election against the Conservatives, tapping

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Speaker 2: it into more than a dozen years of conservative power.

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Speaker 2: And in France, the snap election called by President Emmanuel

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Speaker 2: Macron inspired the creation of a popular left wing front

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Speaker 2: against the far right, which defeated the far right in

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Speaker 2: another historic election. Among other things, this new left alliance

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Speaker 2: has promised to recognize the state of Palestine and increased

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Speaker 2: support for Ukrainian resistance to Russia's invasion. I could go

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Speaker 2: on Turkey's all but dictator President Erduwan has been bleeding

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Speaker 2: support for years now and recently suffered a massive setback

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Speaker 2: in regional elections around the country. The opposition Republican People's

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Speaker 2: Party took the five largest cities in the country in

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Speaker 2: an upset vote, including the capital Istanbul, where Odouin's party

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Speaker 2: had invested massive resources. Now, these upsets in India and

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Speaker 2: Turkey are so worth discussing because both countries are years

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Speaker 2: into their own version of the nightmare scenario that Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump Season two represents. Right, they voted their fascists into power.

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Speaker 2: These guys took control of the courts, imprisoned dissidents, harnessed

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Speaker 2: civil violence for political gain. And yet even with all that,

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Speaker 2: even with all the power available to a modern security state,

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Speaker 2: their hold on power is slipping. Just as I read

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Speaker 2: these words. For many years, neo Nazi activists sought to

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Speaker 2: influence and build support within the Republican Party and talked

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Speaker 2: about hiding their power level as they did so. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is a term they cribbed from dragon ball Z,

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Speaker 2: and it means, in essence, pretending not to be a

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Speaker 2: crazy ass fascist in order to get enough support from

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Speaker 2: the normies that you can act like a crazy ass

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Speaker 2: fascist with the power of the state. Well, the masks

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Speaker 2: are off now. Nobody is hiding their power level anymore.

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Speaker 2: And I am not so arrogant as to claim that

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Speaker 2: I know that their defeat is around the corner. But

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Speaker 2: I will tell you one thing. This is a make

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Speaker 2: or break moment for the sons of bitches. If they

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Speaker 2: fail now, they will find themselves exposed in a country

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Speaker 2: that knows precisely who and what they are. And this

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Speaker 2: means we will have the opportunity to destroy them. Now

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Speaker 2: how would we do that? Well, first, if I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to give you a detailed, perfect roadmap for how

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Speaker 2: you can participate in this and how we can easily

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Speaker 2: destroy the fascists, and the next you know, five or

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Speaker 2: six minutes of a podcast. But I do have some theories.

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Speaker 2: I will elaborate on them more in subsequent episodes. And

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Speaker 2: I want to emphasize right now that this is possible

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Speaker 2: because the cultural power of the far right, which seems

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Speaker 2: so mighty right now, actually does rest on a house

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Speaker 2: of cards. The Republican Party today is funded primarily by

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Speaker 2: a coalition of car dealers who donate more than any

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Speaker 2: other profession because their job depends on being able to

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Speaker 2: scam consumers, multi level marketing corporations, supplement sales, affiliate marketing, megachurches,

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Speaker 2: and of course are old friends in the oil and

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Speaker 2: gas industry. And there's a lot of ways to attack

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Speaker 2: these different pillars of right wing power, these people who

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Speaker 2: are actually funding their media operations, who are funding a

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Speaker 2: lot of these more radical candidates, and who are lobbying

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Speaker 2: for changes in laws that hurt you and help them.

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Speaker 2: And again, I'm not going to be able to give

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Speaker 2: a comprehensive list of how you go about dismantling all

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Speaker 2: of this. It is a formidable task, but you could

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Speaker 2: do a lot of damage to the power of the

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Speaker 2: far right by regulating car sales and punishing dealers who

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Speaker 2: scam consumers, which is close to one hundred percent of dealers.

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Speaker 2: You can ban the sale of unregulated supplements marketed as

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Speaker 2: medical treatments, a thing that should be illegal, but effectively

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Speaker 2: as not. You can ban pyramid schemes and prosecute the

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Speaker 2: criminals who have made fortunes off of them. These are

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Speaker 2: counterattacks that will improve daily life for huge numbers of

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Speaker 2: voters and do functional damage to the right's ability to

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Speaker 2: move and maneuver. Now, I don't mean to suggest that

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Speaker 2: the only way to move on any of those issues

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Speaker 2: is just to vote right. Democrats have had decades to

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Speaker 2: fight back against this shit, and they have failed by

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Speaker 2: nearly every measure. But we have the potential of a

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Speaker 2: general strike coming up in twenty twenty eight if the

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Speaker 2: UAW has their way, and the catastrophic failure of the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party in this election has I think created some

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Speaker 2: space for new kinds of o organizing. The last point

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Speaker 2: I want to leave you with is one more piece

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Speaker 2: of evidence that the juggernaut hurtling towards us is not

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Speaker 2: so hail and hardy as it seems. In April of

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Speaker 2: this year, The Atlantic published an article based on analytics

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Speaker 2: of the most popular right wing news websites in the country.

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Speaker 2: They wrote, this past February, readership of the ten largest

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Speaker 2: conservative websites was down forty percent compared with the same

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Speaker 2: month in twenty twenty. According to The Rtening, a newsletter

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Speaker 2: that uses monthly data from Commscore, essentially the Nielsen ratings

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Speaker 2: of the Internet, to track right wing media. Some of

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Speaker 2: the bigger names in the field that have have been

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Speaker 2: pummeled the hardest. The Daily Caller lost fifty seven percent

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Speaker 2: of its audience, Drudge Report, the granddaddy of conservative aggregation,

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Speaker 2: was down eighty one percent, and The Federalist, founded just

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Speaker 2: over a decade ago, lost a staggering ninety one percent. Now,

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Speaker 2: these numbers are startlingly consistent across right wing media, and

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Speaker 2: they are vastly worse than what liberal and left leaning

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Speaker 2: media has seen over the same time period. A number

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Speaker 2: of ostensibly liberals sites like The Times have seen an

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Speaker 2: increase in subscribers over the same period, and I can

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Speaker 2: confirm to you that here at cool Zone we have

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Speaker 2: more listeners and subscribers than we did in twenty twenty. Now,

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Speaker 2: should you feel like there's nothing to worry about just

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Speaker 2: because the right wing media is taking a fall, No,

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Speaker 2: But what this should be evidence of is that, again,

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Speaker 2: their support has always largely been built on their ability

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Speaker 2: to generate huge amounts of money and essentially buy attention,

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Speaker 2: you know, and that's largely where guys like Ben Shapiro

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Speaker 2: have gotten their cultural power. And that's made Ben Shapiro

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Speaker 2: a wealthy man, but it hasn't actually brought him a

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Speaker 2: lot of people who give a shit what he has

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Speaker 2: to say. The actual number of people paying attention to

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Speaker 2: the scary motherfuckers that you see in these clips that

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Speaker 2: spread in liberal and lefty social media is very small.

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Speaker 2: And it's very small because these people are crazy assholes

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Speaker 2: who most of the folks around you, who are basically

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Speaker 2: decent people, because most people are decent, fucking hate what

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Speaker 2: we have seen here. What we are seeing here is

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Speaker 2: the shattering of an illusion, and the popularity of a

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Speaker 2: lot of right wing media was only ever an illusion,

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Speaker 2: popped up by an infusion of cash from billionaire fail

595
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Speaker 2: suns desperate to hold on to their money. Most people

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Speaker 2: don't like or trust these folks, and the arrogance and

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Speaker 2: certainty of victory that the Trump campaign and the Sobics

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Speaker 2: of the country have been showing now, well, it's caused

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Speaker 2: them to expose themselves. There is precisely one thing you

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Speaker 2: can always count on from fascists and it's that they're

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Speaker 2: dogshit at estimating risk. Time and time again. They convince

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Speaker 2: themselves that they cannot be stopped in pick fights that

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Speaker 2: they wind up losing. And that is perhaps the most

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Speaker 2: reliable thing that we can predict from their behavior, and

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Speaker 2: maybe the most comforting thing I can tell you going

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Speaker 2: forward now. I also just retyped and re recorded this

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Speaker 2: ending in the wake of the assassination attempt against former

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Speaker 2: President Trump, and I want to talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: about that before we go out, because that is certainly

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Speaker 2: potentially a game changer. You know, people saying this could

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Speaker 2: shack the whole election are not wrong, but at this

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Speaker 2: point far from a guarantee. As well, as I said earlier,

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Speaker 2: there have been assassination attempts against sitting presidents and former

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Speaker 2: presidents that have not moved the needle in an election

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Speaker 2: either at least not in a really clear way in

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Speaker 2: favor of the person the attempt was against. So we

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Speaker 2: don't know how this is going to play. One thing

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Speaker 2: I have seen in the immediate wake of this, within

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Speaker 2: minutes of the attempt itself and video of it going up,

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Speaker 2: is liberals, I think mainly liberals, but also some people

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Speaker 2: on the left immediately being like, this is a Reichstag

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Speaker 2: fire situation, this is staged, This is obviously a fake attempt.

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Speaker 2: I don't see any evidence of that in the video

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Speaker 2: that's out there. I do not believe this was faked.

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Speaker 2: I do not need a conspiracy to believe that somebody

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Speaker 2: would want to take a shot at former President Trump.

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Speaker 2: The video does not show any clear weird signs that

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Speaker 2: would make me suspect something odd was going on. One

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Speaker 2: of the things that's come out it looks like the

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Speaker 2: shooter was on a roof nearby, pretty clear evidence of that.

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Speaker 2: At this point. There are some reports from people in

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Speaker 2: the crowd who say that they pointed out the guy

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Speaker 2: on the roof to police and were basically ignored. You know,

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Speaker 2: the police didn't do anything. That also does not seem

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Speaker 2: weird to me, and if it does to you. I

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Speaker 2: want to explain something about these events because I've been

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Speaker 2: to a number of events during presidential campaigns with the

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Speaker 2: Secret Services doing security and other kind of large scale

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Speaker 2: you know, events like this where there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: different law enforcement agencies, and at all of them you

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Speaker 2: will see snipers on the roof. It is not hard

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Speaker 2: to find them. These guys. Some of them I assume

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Speaker 2: are very well camouflaged. I'm not saying I know I've

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Speaker 2: seen everyone that's around at one of these things, but

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Speaker 2: you see a lot of them, right, and so do

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Speaker 2: the cops. Right, It's just not abnormal, And there are

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Speaker 2: always a ton of law enforcement agencies. You know, this

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Speaker 2: was just another Trump rally, so relatively minor as events

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Speaker 2: in you know, a presidential campaign go. But you still

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Speaker 2: have state and local cops. You still have at least

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Speaker 2: the Secret Service, probably more than just the Secret Service

652
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Speaker 2: when it comes to federal agencies. So you know, conservatively,

653
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Speaker 2: at minimum, probably at least a half dozen different law

654
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: enforcement agencies covering this event, right, And there's definitely going

655
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Speaker 2: to be some people there who know where all of

656
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Speaker 2: the snipers are supposed to be, right, presumably within the

657
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Speaker 2: Secret Service, But that is not the average cop on

658
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Speaker 2: the ground. The average cop covering this event, especially walking

659
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Speaker 2: around doing foot patrols, does not know where federal law

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Speaker 2: enforcement has every single sniper set up, and they are

661
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 2: like anyway, I started this episode talking about the normalcy bias, right, Well,

662
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: that's not just a thing that you can trip you

663
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Speaker 2: up when you are trying to predict the future months

664
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Speaker 2: or years in advance. It is a thing that can

665
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: trip you up predicting something a minute in advance. Right,

666
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: you see, as a cop walking through this event, someone says, Hey,

667
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Speaker 2: there's a guy up on the roof with a gun. Well,

668
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: you've seen a half dozen guys on the roof with guns.

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Speaker 2: You've been told there's a bunch of different Secret Service

670
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Speaker 2: and DHS sniper teams up there. Maybe your agency has

671
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: some guys up on the roof, you know, sharpshooters, not

672
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Speaker 2: at all weird. You go, yeah, maybe you even see

673
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: the guy And the pictures I've seen, looks like he

674
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: was wearing CAMA. Looks like he was wearing the kind

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00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: of combat gear that cops wear, but also that anyone

676
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Speaker 2: can buy, because cops look like you know a lot

677
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: of people who just buy this shit and do it recreationally,

678
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: you know, go go shooting and training in the woods

679
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: or whatever, like a lot of It's not hard to

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00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: gain access to gear that at a glance would look

681
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Speaker 2: enough like a cop. And my guess is that this

682
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: guy counted on the normalcy bias. He figured my best

683
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Speaker 2: shot at being able to get away with this is

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Speaker 2: if I post up on a roof somewhere and assume

685
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Speaker 2: that the cops that spot me immediately won't know right

686
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: away what I am right. And that does seem to

687
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Speaker 2: be what happened at this moment, And you know, I

688
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: take that as a lot of things very unclear. This

689
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: is going to again affect the election, but take it

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00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: as a warning against falling for the normalcy bias, because

691
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Speaker 2: just because something seems like it's not weird, like it's

692
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: not a sign of a change of something very different

693
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: about to go down, doesn't mean it isn't. Yeah, you

694
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 2: can never trust your assumptions, and that goes both ways,

695
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: with both ways with this, I am seeing a lot

696
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: of understandable catastrophizing. This is a terrifying thing. I am

697
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 2: someone who's about to head into the RNC not thrilled

698
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: that this has happened. But that doesn't mean we know

699
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: what the fallout is going to be. It doesn't mean

700
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Speaker 2: we know what the reaction and the result is. I mean,

701
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 2: for among other things, this is not necessarily fully optimistic.

702
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: But I don't know how much this moves the needle,

703
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: because I don't know how many people who can be

704
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: convinced would be swayed by something like this for how

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Speaker 2: many people this could change their opinion on the election,

706
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: and how many people are going to believe that this

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00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: was real and not. You know, I've even seen people

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Speaker 2: claiming that, like, yeah, Trump bladed himself the way a

709
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: wrestler would. Again, I think that's all nonsense. It's just

710
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: really unclear how people are going to react, right, It's

711
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: not worthless to look back to. You know, there's an

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00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: attempt on Reagan to try and see and other assassination

713
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: attempts and how they've affected elections. But all of that

714
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: shit happened prior to the modern era of social media.

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00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: All of that shit happened prior to everyone's brains getting

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Speaker 2: broken by the internet. So I'm not going to tell

717
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: you this is a good time. I'm not going to

718
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: tell you things are chill. They the fuck aren't. But

719
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Speaker 2: I am going to tell you the future is not written,

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Speaker 2: and don't panic until next time. I'm Robert Evans and

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Speaker 2: this is It Could Happen Here. We'll be back later

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Speaker 2: this week with coverage of the Republican Convention. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: It Could Happen Here, a podcast about things falling apart

724
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: and nothing says, things falling apart better than as many

725
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: Republicans as possible jammed into as small a place as possible,

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Speaker 2: with half of the cops in the United States of

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Speaker 2: America there as well. With me is Sophie Lichterman and

728
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Speaker 2: Garrison Davis are on the ground hoarding team for the

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Speaker 2: Republican Convention National.

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Speaker 6: Wow, it's true.

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Speaker 1: We're here.

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Speaker 2: We are at the Republican National Convention, the day after

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Speaker 2: former President Donald Trump was nearly struck down by an

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Speaker 2: assassin's bullet. And uh, yeah, it's been a pretty fun.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The vibes are great. Vibes are great. Actually, that's kind

737
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Speaker 2: of the thing we should start with. We, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the president for a president was shot yesterday, and the

739
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: shit online has been absolutely unhinged. And I was expecting.

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Speaker 2: I was expecting a lot, but certainly a different vibe

741
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Speaker 2: at the thing, which was I think basically the same

742
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Speaker 2: vibe it would have had if the president hadn't been shot.

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Speaker 2: People were by and large not acting different.

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Speaker 7: Okay, so set the scene. All. We went to this red,

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Speaker 7: white and Brew kickoff party.

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Speaker 2: Shocking amount of free alcohol.

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Speaker 7: Shocking amount of free alcohol. How many people do you

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Speaker 7: think we're there? I don't know, thousands, That definitely thousands

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Speaker 7: of people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the not crazy crowded, but it was big.

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Speaker 6: The flyers said they were estimating ten to fifty thousand

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Speaker 6: people over the course of like five six hours.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Trace Adkins performed and sang a song with the lyrics

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Speaker 7: Garrison Well.

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Speaker 6: This was actually a spoken word intro to.

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Speaker 2: This was in the middle of the songs.

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Speaker 7: Yes, We're we were.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't heard, Trace is a country music star,

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Speaker 2: and not a good one. I'm not sure if it

761
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Speaker 2: was him or if it was Toby Keith that Christofferson said,

762
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Speaker 2: did the country music what pante Hoose did to finger fucking.

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Speaker 2: But that is the kind It's a famous line, Sophie.

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Speaker 2: He's a terrible musician.

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Speaker 1: He just died. Anyways.

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Speaker 7: The line that was said was Garrison.

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Speaker 6: Well, he had this little preamble about how he was

768
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Speaker 6: getting really handsy with like with his nurse.

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Speaker 2: He's sick recently. He has a nurse. She's taken great

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Speaker 2: care of him and she hasn't gotten angry that he

771
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Speaker 2: keeps touching her against her.

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Speaker 6: Getting really handsy, and she would actually press charges if

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Speaker 6: they weren't married, which is the punchline, ha.

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Speaker 7: Ha ha ha is that is that and that was

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Speaker 7: kind of the energy of the entire event.

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Speaker 6: So just raping your wife not even a joke, just

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Speaker 6: like just like a celebratory statement. As we are walking

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Speaker 6: around a crowd of like, yeah, at least five.

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Speaker 7: Thous we walk into this event and there are like

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Speaker 7: balloon wavy noodle guys inflatable arm flame a US car dealerships.

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Speaker 2: Never seen that many of them in one place.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And then there's there's there's women on platforms.

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Speaker 2: So there's a red carpet and all fifty state flags

784
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 2: are lining it, and periodically in between the flags there

785
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: are plints where there are what would we used to

786
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Speaker 2: call booth babes, which is, if you would go to

787
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Speaker 2: like E three would was the video game convention, there

788
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: would be scantly clad women. Car conventions do the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Cees used to do this too, women wearing very little

790
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: who are there to like stand next to products or whatever.

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Speaker 2: In this case, they were just mostly naked women.

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Speaker 7: Dancing and waving at people. They came in and one

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Speaker 7: of them winked at me, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I hope she had a fine night me too.

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Speaker 6: We did not I hope she got paid more than

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Speaker 6: we're getting paid.

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Speaker 2: Almost no way, not fastly. Because I have asked a

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Speaker 2: couple of different service industry people, including Uber drivers tonight,

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Speaker 2: how are the tips, And everyone said, dog shit, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: nobody's been happy with the tips.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. And it took us quite a while to actually

802
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Speaker 7: get to this place because of all the different security

803
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Speaker 7: checkpoints and roadblocks and just the absolute chaotic, unhinged amount

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Speaker 7: of out of town cops.

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Speaker 2: And this is not just the R and C. If

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Speaker 2: you've never been to a political convention, you will be

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Speaker 2: in whatever city this year. It's the RNC is in Milwaukee,

808
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: and the DNC is going to beat Chicago. But whatever

809
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 2: city it's in, you will run into LAPD cops, Dallas cops,

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Speaker 2: like every cops from every part of the country, in

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Speaker 2: addition to secret Service, FBI, homeland security investigations, like all, like,

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Speaker 2: all of the kinds of cops are here.

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Speaker 7: Correct.

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Speaker 6: The most interesting kind of cop that I've seen a

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Speaker 6: great a great number of is US Capitol police cops.

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Speaker 2: A lot of Capitol police.

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Speaker 6: Here, which is just a little bit funny considering what

818
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 6: happened like uh, just about four years ago.

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Speaker 2: This crowd assaulted Capitol Police Office.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of an odd dynamic because you have like

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Speaker 6: these Capitol police here, you know, priding security essentially and

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Speaker 6: you know, protecting attendees to some degree. Well, there's you know,

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Speaker 6: a decent chance that many of them were just engaged

824
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Speaker 6: in combat with many of these same people where there

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Speaker 6: was casualties on both sides, just which is just a

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Speaker 6: kind of an odd dynamic that you don't really see

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Speaker 6: very often.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, again, it's the vibes have still been pretty

829
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: much chill for an event like this. It has not

830
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: been heightened in terms of like levels of anger. We

831
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Speaker 2: did see as soon as we arrived at the airport,

832
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Speaker 2: literally the second we got to baggage, there was a

833
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Speaker 2: guy wearing a shirt with the picture of Trump with

834
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Speaker 2: a bloody ear right after he was shot on it.

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Speaker 2: He clearly made it last night himself.

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Speaker 7: Yep, and it said the iron don.

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Speaker 2: The iron down. But that was kind of it in

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Speaker 2: terms of maybe, you know, it's going to take a

839
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Speaker 2: little longer for there to be more shooting merch out there,

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Speaker 2: but I don't. But more than that, I just didn't

841
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: hear a lot of like we sat down, we got

842
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Speaker 2: some food and some drinks. When we were at this big party,

843
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: we sat down with these two ladies who were delegates

844
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Speaker 2: from Texas, older women. One was clearly in her eighties,

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Speaker 2: one looked like she was more in her sixties. Talked

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Speaker 2: with them for quite a while, and they were very

847
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Speaker 2: far right, very strong views on religious conservatism, very anti

848
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Speaker 2: trans the older lady that I talked to. None of

849
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Speaker 2: them said a single word about Trump getting shot. It

850
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Speaker 2: absolutely did not come up, which I was kind of

851
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Speaker 2: surprised about it.

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Speaker 6: And I got here a little bit earlier than Robert

853
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 6: and Sophie, and I was hanging out with some of

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Speaker 6: the delegates from Idaho and North Dakota, and similarly, no

855
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 6: one was talking about that. Yeah, it was, it was

856
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Speaker 6: just not mentioned.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 6: It was on Fox News in the background. Yeah, you

859
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 6: could see on the TV every building. Yeah, it's constantly playing.

860
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Speaker 6: But nobody in person seems to be thinking about it

861
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 6: or like discussing it as like it's like a thing.

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Speaker 6: And possibly it's just because they've assumed that Trump is

863
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Speaker 6: just always under this kind of attack, right, it's like

864
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Speaker 6: the most attacked man, right, Like this isn't even like

865
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Speaker 6: a big deal for them. This is just like realizing

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Speaker 6: what they've already built up in their head. Right, So

867
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 6: I think that that could maybe just be a factor.

868
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 6: This isn't like as impactful for them because like you know,

869
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 6: of course, like he's he's he's obviously being treated so unfairly.

870
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of aim in that. The

871
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: only other thing I could think of maybe would be

872
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: that just it hasn't sunk in yet because it's so

873
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: big and so recent and everyone coming to this probably

874
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: like us, was just crazy busy packing and like getting

875
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 2: their lives in order for this. Sure, but I think

876
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: you're probably onto something with that.

877
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's not a small thing. I mean

878
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 7: the people that we talked to, one of them was

879
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 7: a delegate for the state of Texas, and they said

880
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 7: they had to travel all the way. They got their

881
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 7: hotels in Madison. Oh, so they have to commute back

882
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 7: and forth from Madison to Milwaukee to come to this event.

883
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that is that is a long time. Yeah,

884
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: speaking of ugh, you know what doesn't make me go ugh?

885
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 7: These products and services.

886
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: Yes, we are sponsored first off by Woodman's, the grocery

887
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: store that won't sell you a hard liquor. Past midnight Woodman's.

888
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: Everyone lied to you about Wisconsin being proper alcoholics.

889
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 7: And we're back. And I have to say that the today,

890
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 7: the scariest part of our day was going to this

891
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 7: Woodman's grocery store, which is opened twenty four hours, seven

892
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 7: days a week.

893
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 6: It was not walking into a crowd of ten thousand Republicans.

894
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 6: It was, in fact, walking into Woodman's at midnight was

895
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 6: astronomically more frightening on like existential levels.

896
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: It's like one of these like massive, massive, like Walmart style,

897
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: but like really big Walmart style stores. They had a

898
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: whole isle of Maraschino.

899
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 6: Cherries, a Marashido cherry asle.

900
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: There were a shocking number.

901
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 7: There was a fried onion aisles.

902
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: There were a shocking number of like four to seven

903
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: year old children leaving the stores, walking freely in and out.

904
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 2: It was leaving this just so going somewhere, but it

905
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: was that there was.

906
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 6: There was twenty five numerical aisles, plus a full like

907
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 6: alphabetical aisle.

908
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 7: There were so many aisles they had to switch.

909
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 6: From numbers would not sell us beers, and they wouldn't

910
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 6: have said credit cards either. Fascinating stuff.

911
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: Anyways, you Wisconsinites think you people are alcohol I have

912
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: gone there's there's nowhere that won't sell me liquor in

913
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: fucking Los Angeles. You know that's a drinking city. God

914
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: damn it, God damn it.

915
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: Garrison.

916
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 6: What else, Well, there was also a security guy roaming

917
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 6: inside woman's do you know where? There was also security oh,

918
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 6: everywhere else, literally the entire city of Milwaukee right.

919
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 7: Now, on roofs, in the street, on bikes, on boats.

920
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: We knew. But well, I honestly, this is not abnormal.

921
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 7: I know.

922
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: I did not notice anything that I didn't recall from

923
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: previous conventions. It did not seem I think it just

924
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: might be because there's so many there can't be more cops,

925
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: Like they could not have had more cops. I'm sure

926
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: people are more alert. I'm sure, particularly the rooftops sniper

927
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: teams are under the gun right now. But I didn't

928
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: notice anything more intense than usual.

929
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 6: Well, and we were talking with some other people from

930
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 6: out of town who we were just getting rides with,

931
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 6: and like the amount of the amount of barricades and

932
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 6: blockades that have been put up over the course of

933
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 6: a Sunday, like.

934
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 7: It changes constantly.

935
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 6: It's constantly changing which roads are blockaded. Like like earlier today

936
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 6: people could commute downtown.

937
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 2: That might be a little different, fairly easier.

938
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 6: And progressively throughout the day that became much much harder,

939
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 6: to the point where now downtown is almost like you

940
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 6: just you just can't drive like that. Like most of

941
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 6: downtown is just literally blocked off by the type of

942
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 6: fence that was developed in Portland back in twenty twenty,

943
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 6: and that is covering almost all of Milwaukee's downtown right now.

944
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: The fence is familiar from previous conventions. I don't remember

945
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: the moving blockades of streets that that actually might be.

946
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: If it's not maybe if it happened the last convention,

947
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: I didn't recall it.

948
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: Were there any.

949
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 7: At this party? Were there any booths or things that

950
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 7: you saw that surprised your well.

951
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: There was this fifteen. There sure was Daniel Defence at

952
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: the US Concealed Carry Association.

953
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 6: A little bit of poor taste, one might say.

954
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: You know what, in a way, because Daniel Defense is

955
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 2: number one, is the company that made the air fifteen

956
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: that the Evaldi shooter used. If you don't know guns,

957
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: the Daniel Defense is most famous to people who aren't

958
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: gun people. For it was the company that made the

959
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: gun that the Uvaldi shooter used. In general, they are

960
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: like a middle high end ar company. They're not like

961
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: the very nicest on the market, but they're not cheap.

962
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: They're expensive guns. They're pretty well made, and they have

963
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: made direct kind of buy in and inroads with a

964
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: lot of right wing culture war gun figures. Like they

965
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: have outreached more to like fascist types than most because

966
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: most big gun you go to, like SIGs Hour six

967
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 2: hour is not going to sponsor a Nazi type adjacent

968
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: person or a Christian nationalist gun type person because they

969
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: they do big contracts, right, Like Daniel Defense has has

970
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: gone out on a limb with some like real assholes.

971
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 6: It's weird because they didn't used to be like that

972
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 6: as well. Like even like five years ago, Daniel Defense

973
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 6: was typically like one of the more apolitical, not a

974
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 6: political but like very like less partisan gun companies. I

975
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 6: remember when we were first talking about about like different

976
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 6: gun brands back in like twenty twenty, it was definitely

977
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 6: it was definitely different, and they made some small shifts

978
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 6: in the past few years.

979
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it may just have been that just everything was

980
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 2: a little bit less politicized than in that space. I

981
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: don't I don't know if I don't know enough about

982
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: the company in the back end, but I'm not surprised

983
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: that they were sponsoring. And you know, the thing they

984
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: were sponsoring was the US Concealed Carry Association booth, which

985
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: offers like insurance for people who have concealed handgun licenses

986
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 2: and the like. But they were doing a free AR

987
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: fifteen giveaway, which is definitely some would say in bad

988
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: taste after what happened to the President. To be honest,

989
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: no one would have thought about it at all. I

990
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 2: kind of think it's like you are the people that

991
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: you are.

992
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 6: No, you know, yeah, I don't think anyone thought twice

993
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 6: about that note whatsoever.

994
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: And by God, I signed up to win the guns,

995
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: so me too, I did not, Ah, Sophie, we could

996
00:51:58,520 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: have had an extra attempt.

997
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 7: Sorry, not sorry. Was there anything today that you know,

998
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 7: surprised you, or like a feeling you had that was

999
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 7: like unexpected or anything like that.

1000
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 8: Not.

1001
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 2: I had a long conversation with the older lady who

1002
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: was a delegate from Texas. We talked about because she

1003
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: she first kind of wanted to know is press. She

1004
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 2: asked like, basically, are you liars and in a nice

1005
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: old lady way, right.

1006
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, that's that's the We basically had that.

1007
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 6: We had the same conversation the table where where.

1008
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: I come from. You know, there's truth and there's lies,

1009
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: and like one one is one is real and one isn't.

1010
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: I was like, well, you know, I've been in a

1011
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: lot of situations where different people have different recollections of

1012
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: the same event, and like, I don't know because I

1013
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: was I wasn't there like who's telling the truth? So

1014
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: you just kind of try to gather as So we

1015
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: got onto the subject of religion, and her attitude was

1016
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: that people should be free to do whatever they want

1017
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: to do, more or less, but they should have to

1018
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 2: admit it's bad, which was interesting as a take. I

1019
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 2: hadn't really heard that one before, where she was like, well,

1020
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: you know, my husband likes to do stuff that's not godly,

1021
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: but he just says it's bad. And I don't think

1022
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: that gay people should be punished by the law, but

1023
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: I think that people should have to say that it's bad.

1024
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: And that was that was a peculiar stance to run into.

1025
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 2: You know. Her attitude on Trump was that he was

1026
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: a fundamentally honest and good man. She didn't think he

1027
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: was perfect. You know, she knows she's done some shady

1028
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 2: things because he's a businessman, right, but she thinks he's

1029
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: basically really good. It was interesting like hearing her kind

1030
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: of lay some things out that way her. We talked

1031
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: about trans issues, and she is fully convinced that little

1032
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: kids are getting mutilated all the time with transgender surgeries.

1033
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: But I asked, like, what if a twenty two year

1034
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: old or a twenty four year old wants to get

1035
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 2: on hormones and she or a gender you know, transition surgery,

1036
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: And she was like, well, adult should be able to

1037
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: do whatever they want, which was interesting. But yeah, you know,

1038
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: from a lady in her eighties or whatnot. Like, we

1039
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: had a relatively pleasant conversation even though she is clearly

1040
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: someone who thinks that Christianity should be the law of

1041
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: the land and the official religion of the state, and

1042
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: everybody should have to acknowledge that Christians are right. That

1043
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: was interesting. I'm always fascinated by actually like trying to

1044
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: drill down with people at these events what they believe in.

1045
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: How much of the rhetoric that like we see online

1046
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: is specifically transferred over to them, and when you get

1047
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: right down to it, they often believe in a lot

1048
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: of like the heart, like you know, believe that there

1049
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: are kids being mutilated or whatever. But also a lot

1050
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: of the rhetoric you get around, like well we need

1051
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: to make it legal to believe other things isn't as

1052
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: widely shared. Although I don't think that lady would actually

1053
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: fight against or have any real issue with people's people

1054
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 2: being criminalized for not being Christian, it's just clearly not

1055
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 2: her primary a focus either.

1056
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 7: Besides the mistrust of media and press. The conversation that

1057
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 7: Gary and I had with the other woman, she was

1058
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 7: giving her version of, you know, her opinion on Roby Wade,

1059
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 7: an abortion and things like that, and one of the

1060
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 7: things she said to us was when she found out

1061
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 7: that we lived in Portland at a time, she was like,

1062
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 7: what was like living in a city with liberals? And

1063
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 7: I think that's funny and yeah.

1064
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 6: But it's like a different species to them.

1065
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1066
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 2: I played around with saying when people would ask where

1067
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm from, either Texas or Portland, because both of those

1068
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: are technically accurate, And every time I said Portland, you

1069
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: got it like you got a look. Every single time

1070
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: you bring up Portland, you get a look. You can

1071
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: definitely tell that it's a shibboleth to these people. No,

1072
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: it is something.

1073
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 6: It's like it's the city of the enemy, like it

1074
00:55:59,440 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 6: is like the.

1075
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: Rep em Yeah, and that was really interesting. The other

1076
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: thing I noticed was just saying you were media, people's

1077
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: attitude changed a bit. But when we mentioned that we

1078
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: worked for the radio station that we worked for, I

1079
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: think most of them ever heard, because there's a lot

1080
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: of right wing talk radio that are technically co workers

1081
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: of ours that changed their attitudes back. And I think

1082
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: like radio, weirdly enough, it is register. It's actually it

1083
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: makes total sense.

1084
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 6: It's like a nostalgia thing, right.

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00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not just said it's like radio is right

1086
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: wing media. Sure, the right owns, particularly talk radio. And

1087
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: I think that when we set when you say radio,

1088
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: when you say media, they start to think one thing.

1089
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: But when you say radio, that's not something that people

1090
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 2: have a negative attitude.

1091
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 6: Not tied like the coastal eleitism of like newspapers, TV channels. Yes,

1092
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 6: speaking of coastal elitism, here's these ads brought to you

1093
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 6: by companies probably based on one of the coasts, maybe

1094
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 6: not maybe a Midwest company.

1095
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 2: God, I hope not, because the Midwest again doesn't sell

1096
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 2: liquor at Woodsman's after after midnight.

1097
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 7: You're twenty for our grocery store. Let us have some alcoholic?

1098
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: What is wrong with you people?

1099
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 6: Okay, we are back.

1100
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: We're back. So at the end of this we are

1101
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: going to talk about the assassination attempt on former President Trump.

1102
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: More has happened since Monday, so we're going to catch

1103
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: you up on what we're thinking about that and kind

1104
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: of the conclusions that we've drawn. We wanted to talk

1105
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 2: a little bit about. One last thing are the convention,

1106
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: which is kind of what we're expecting for the coming days. Tomorrow,

1107
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: there's an AI panel there is there is is.

1108
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 6: It Women in AI, Women and Democracy?

1109
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: Oh my God?

1110
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 7: By Microsoft?

1111
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 2: Sponsored by Microsoft, So that's going to be great.

1112
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 6: There's there's a number of other interesting panels. Unfortunately, all

1113
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 6: of the Turning Point USA panels are closed to press.

1114
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, real bummer.

1115
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 6: Another another event that close press is about two or

1116
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 6: three times every day there is a film screening of

1117
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 6: a new Ronald Reagan movie.

1118
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: Start Reagan the Movie. Reagan the Movie.

1119
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 6: Starring John Voyd, which we've received some free merch for

1120
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 6: we have these wonderful hats made in totally military fine,

1121
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 6: totally chill. That's going to be showing every single day

1122
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 6: multiple times. Also closed depressed, so that's unfortunate. There's rumors

1123
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 6: and talk that Trump might make an early appearance, that

1124
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 6: he might they might try to secure the nomination a

1125
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 6: little bit early, just so he gets extra secret service

1126
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 6: detailed because of weird laws.

1127
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 7: Interesting. Some of the speakers that are supposed to come

1128
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 7: are Nikky Haley, Jadie Vance, Ricky Rubio for me, Ricky

1129
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 7: and were so close. That's an NBA player from Spain.

1130
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 7: Marco Rubio suicide.

1131
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: I wish the Ricky Rubio from Spain was the vice

1132
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: president Spain's coming.

1133
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: He's so sorry.

1134
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: I guess he doesn't know much about our laws. That said,

1135
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: neither is jd Vance putting.

1136
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 6: Ron's gonna make an appearance.

1137
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 7: Good old Pudding Ron interesting to me, but to neither

1138
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 7: of you had any name recognition. But Ember Rose is

1139
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 7: going to speak.

1140
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: I don't know that bro who used to I'm at

1141
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: the Republican Convention. I got to blend in.

1142
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: She used to.

1143
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 7: I don't know if she currently does, but she used

1144
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 7: to run a thing called slut walk in LA and

1145
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 7: dated Kanye West. Anyways, I guess it makes a little

1146
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 7: bit more sense when you add the Kanye West to it.

1147
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 7: But she's speaking.

1148
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: Used to date Kanye Ya if we were like nothing,

1149
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: nothing about what she's doing could surprise me now, and.

1150
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 7: Like all the Trump relatives are speaking besides Ivanka anyways,

1151
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 7: because she's not participating this time around for her kids.

1152
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: O good for her. Yeah, well that's good, although I

1153
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: don't know if she doesn't participate in enough, she might

1154
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: wind up on a golf course too.

1155
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 7: Wow. Dark Anyways, I'm just saying he did it speaking

1156
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 7: of that, speaking of death. Oh no, no, sorry, bad transition. Anyways,

1157
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 7: It's gonna be great. Guys, super super super optimistic about it.

1158
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 2: Everyone was worried about it. It's it's it's it's pretty chill.

1159
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: There were some protests, but the only protests were people.

1160
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 7: That were complaining that the that the that the GOP

1161
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 7: was not pro life enough.

1162
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: I talked about this when talking about kind of like

1163
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: fracture points that are already starting to appear in the GOP.

1164
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: One of the big ones is Trump removed mandatory national

1165
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: abortion ban from the Republican platform, and there were a

1166
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: group of people protesting out in front of the RNCA

1167
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 2: very angry about that. Ye, most of the people who

1168
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 2: I heard a couple of people talking about them, seem

1169
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 2: to think they were idiots, which is interesting. Yeah, had

1170
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: that experience.

1171
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, only protests we've seen so far as people from

1172
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 6: as people farther farther to the right on certain issues

1173
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 6: than I. Guess it won't last tip, but I will share.

1174
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 6: That kind of segues into our next discussion involving firearm.

1175
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 6: So I had I had a little room mix up

1176
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 6: with the with the with another with some like North

1177
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 6: Dakota delegate because we have the same last name. So

1178
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 6: we got our room switched. So I was just sitting

1179
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 6: on my laptop working and this this guy you know,

1180
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 6: scans in it starts opening the door. It's like, oh, sorry,

1181
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 6: I didn't realize, you know, blah blah blah blah blah.

1182
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 6: We figured it out, we were both So then we

1183
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 6: got in the elevator, both to go down to the

1184
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 6: front desk, like get this sordid, And he remarks to

1185
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 6: me saying, well, I'm I'm sure glad you weren't pack.

1186
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 6: And when I when I busted in the hotel room,

1187
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 6: and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I guess, And it's just

1188
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 6: it was just a fascinating little glimpse that like that

1189
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 6: was the first thing that came into his mind. Is

1190
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 6: that if someone opens your hotel room door, is that

1191
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 6: you're gonna just You're just gonna You're just gonna start blasted.

1192
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 6: Like that was that was that was like, it's like

1193
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 6: immediate thought, is that the good thing, good thing you

1194
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 6: didn't have your gun on you, And like there was

1195
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 6: just such like an assumption of that's like of like

1196
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 6: that is like the correct thing to do, Yeah, is

1197
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 6: if you see your door you start to get open,

1198
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 6: you just start fireing away. And I found that to

1199
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 6: be a really really interesting moment. Speaking of firearms.

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01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 2: Speaking of firearms, let's talk about that dude who shot

1201
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 2: the president and then got show barely and also killed

1202
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 2: that guy whose Twitter presence wasn't great. Yeah, So I

1203
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: want to talk about this shooting a little bit because

1204
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: we're we're now at the point where some stuff is

1205
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 2: started to settle out and we have it's at the

1206
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: point where I think it's very unlikely we are going

1207
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: to find much more on his social media. It would

1208
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 2: have been found by now, based on the way these

1209
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: things work, could be a manifesto somewhere, could be a

1210
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: treasure show of info somewhere, but I think something would

1211
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: have come out about it. So my guess is this

1212
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: is like the Vegas shooting. If you think back Stephen

1213
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 2: Paddock shooting where he killed like seventy something people at

1214
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: that country music show. Something that's going to be an

1215
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: enigma to people for a while. And it makes a

1216
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 2: lot of sense to me. I know it makes a

1217
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: lot of sense to you too, Garrison, and I kind

1218
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 2: of want to talk about why, because what we do

1219
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: know about them that is confirmed is some of their

1220
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 2: former classmates have talked depressed. Some of those classmates have

1221
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 2: said I don't recall the shooter being particularly political. There

1222
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: are some people who said, no, he was really conservative.

1223
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: You know, when we would have like class debates, he

1224
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: would sometimes be the only guy on like the right

1225
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: wing side of it, you know, arguing a point or whatever.

1226
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: But no one seemed to say that he was like

1227
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: weirdly right, Like he was conservative the way that like

1228
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: right wing kids in a school are, but not in

1229
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 2: a way that people are like, oh, that kid's a fucking.

1230
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 6: Not see and in a way that makes you just

1231
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 6: kind of like anti social, alienated because yeah.

1232
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 2: And he was not a very social kid. Some people

1233
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: say he was bullied. Most kids are. I was, you know, bullied,

1234
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 2: so I don't know that he was exceptionally bullied. He

1235
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 2: tried out once for the school rifle team, was not

1236
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 2: very good. Was so bad they didn't let him try

1237
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: out again, which is interesting.

1238
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 7: He wore hunting geared to class here.

1239
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 6: That's like it's like real tree camo. We're in the Midwest,

1240
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 6: Like that's not that's not uncommon.

1241
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 2: Not wildly weird.

1242
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 6: I guess he's in Pennsylvania, but still in Pennsylvania.

1243
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: It was nothing that really set anyone off. But it

1244
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: is also like all pretty conservative stuff. And just like

1245
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: the the gun YouTube channel who's wearing a Demolition Ranch shirt.

1246
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 2: Demolition Ranches probably the largest gun YouTube channel. They are

1247
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 2: effectively like a media company, like they're a small media empire,

1248
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: but they're also you know, they're definitely conservative. Some of

1249
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: the guys who work at that company you can tell

1250
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:39,919
Speaker 2: associate with further right guys. But the video they go, Yeah,

1251
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 2: they their videos are relatively free of politics because they're

1252
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 2: big enough that that's bad for their business, right.

1253
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 6: Really they don't indulge in like partisan politics or like

1254
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 6: political opinion.

1255
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 7: It is.

1256
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: It's not like there are guys like a there's a

1257
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: guy like named Lewis Botkin who does a lot of

1258
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 2: videos where he will be doing like literally assassination drills

1259
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: where he's basically planning to like murder people in their cars.

1260
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 6: Or people who you know, pepper their videos with like

1261
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 6: anti trans joke rights, which we're seeing.

1262
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 2: Lots more of. Is this was not that, And I'm

1263
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 2: not saying that. Some people on Twitter when I bring

1264
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 2: this up get like angry, being like you're trying to

1265
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: protect the concern. No, I don't care about that. I'm

1266
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 2: just saying, this isn't the shirt you wear if you

1267
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 2: want to signal that you're like far right. This is

1268
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 2: the shirt you wear if you're kind of into guns

1269
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 2: but maybe not very good with them, right, Like, it's

1270
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: just kind of yes, yes, it means about as much

1271
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: as a guy wearing a John Wick t shirt, right

1272
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: like that that is kind of the level of that

1273
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 2: that like of what that implies more or less. So

1274
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: I guess kind of where we're standing is when we

1275
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 2: think about why he did this and that's the question

1276
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 2: everybody's kind of asking. I don't get the feeling that

1277
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: this guy was motivated by what most people call politics.

1278
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: I think he was a guy who was certainly more

1279
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 2: on the conservative end of things. I don't get the

1280
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: hint that he thought Trump was a dictator he needed

1281
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 2: to stop. I don't get the hint he may have

1282
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: been an accelerationist and that he thought that this would

1283
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: push some sort of civil war to completion, and you

1284
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 2: know that that would go well for the right. That's

1285
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 2: not impossible, but I haven't seen any evidence of that.

1286
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 7: The most interesting that you said to me about it, Robert,

1287
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 7: and I think Gary, you also said the same thing

1288
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 7: as like he was local, this was local, it was convenient.

1289
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 2: I think the feeling I get is that if Biden

1290
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: had showed up, he would have taken a shot at Biden.

1291
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 6: Now, I think that the model that we can look

1292
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 6: at this is the same model people have used for

1293
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 6: a lot of school shootings. There is a degree of

1294
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 6: like apathetic, a degree of just like suicidal action, and

1295
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 6: a degree of wanting to make some kind of impact,

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Speaker 6: wanting to do some kind of thing that gains a

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Speaker 6: sense of like infamy and school shooting simply just don't

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Speaker 6: do that anymore. Mass shootings don't really do that anymore.

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Speaker 2: You could kill five or six people, ten people at

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Speaker 2: a grocery store, it doesn't move the needle.

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Speaker 6: I believe there's a decent chance based on kind of

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Speaker 6: the very like unpolitical online presence this guy has had,

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Speaker 6: including from his Discord account, there's just simply no evidence

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Speaker 6: he was like he had any kind of real political motivation,

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Speaker 6: and instead all of what we've heard about his behavior

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Speaker 6: and his politics seemed just way more similar to the

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Speaker 6: profiles of mass shooters. And this I think the Trump

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Speaker 6: thing was was a convenient was a measure of convenience

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Speaker 6: having this happened in your hometown. I think it possibly

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Speaker 6: could be just as likely if Joe Biden was doing

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Speaker 6: a role, he might have tried the same thing. I

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Speaker 6: don't think this was any more politically targeted than that,

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Speaker 6: because we simply don't have any evidence to suggest that,

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Speaker 6: and the few evidence we do have matches up with

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Speaker 6: a lot of the profiles of these older kind of

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Speaker 6: like more like Columbine style mass shootings.

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Speaker 2: This seems like a Columnbiner more than anything Columbine. There's

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Speaker 2: been well over one hundred different mass shootings inspired by

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Speaker 2: that mass shooting, and the thing overwhelmingly that occurs to

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Speaker 2: me just with what we get oft this kid is.

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Speaker 2: I would if I had to describe his politics as

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Speaker 2: relates to the shooting. It's not he's a right winger

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Speaker 2: or a left winger. His politics are he's a mass shooter, yes, right.

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Speaker 2: This is a guy who worships the probably did to

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Speaker 2: some extent, was obsessed with the aesthetics of mass shootings.

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Speaker 2: This was a guy who wanted, yeah, to be famous,

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Speaker 2: and he saw an opportunity to do it in a place.

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Speaker 6: Where he wanted books was the only way.

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Speaker 2: And he did. He'll be in him, you know, And

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in what that means because we had a way.

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01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 2: We've had a wave for years of people doing mass

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Speaker 2: shootings in public places because it used to get you

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Speaker 2: into the history books. Not anymore, not anymore. This kid

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01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 2: is in the history books now, And I kind of

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01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 2: wonder if this is going to lead to a shift

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Speaker 2: in the people who have previously been shooting up schools

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Speaker 2: and grocery stores going. Well, if I want to get noticed,

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01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 2: shooting up a school won't do it. But if I

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01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,759
Speaker 2: take a shot at insert political candidate please see service.

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Speaker 2: This is theoretical.

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Speaker 6: I think this action reminds me of a great deal

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01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 6: is like this feels more similar to like the John

1343
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 6: Lennon shooting. Honestly, like is that is I think a

1344
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 6: much closer model. And I think a lot of people

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Speaker 6: who are viewing this as political violence have find this

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Speaker 6: to be a very confusing incident, and I don't think

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Speaker 6: it's useful to view it the way that we typically

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Speaker 6: view political violence. I think it's much close. I think

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Speaker 6: it's much more understandable as being a kin to something

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Speaker 6: like Colin Buying, the Las Vegas shooting, the John Lennon shooting.

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Speaker 2: And when you bring that up to people, it makes

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01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 2: them angry because it's a shooting of Donald Trump, the

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Speaker 2: most politicized man who maybe has ever lived in the

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01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 2: most politicized election of anyone's lifetimes. And people get really

1355
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Speaker 2: angry when you suggest this might not have been political

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Speaker 2: in the way that you under conceive of politics, because

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01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 2: they want it to fit into even if it's a

1358
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 2: scary box, a box that makes sense, and there's something

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01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 2: so alien at about a guy who this was just

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01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 2: the best way for me to be to die and

1361
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Speaker 2: be remembered is so different.

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Speaker 6: And this guy is younger than I am twenty. Trump,

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01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 6: for him has been a forever character of politics.

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Speaker 2: He was twelve.

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Speaker 8: He's just.

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01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 6: A political character. This is just someone who represents what

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01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 6: politics is. Yeah, he's not like an abnormal, you know,

1368
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 6: fascist threat, the same way that people who've studied polics

1369
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Speaker 6: for a long time can view Trump historically being like, oh,

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Speaker 6: this is like a worrying trend. This is just like

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Speaker 6: what regular politics are to people younger than me.

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Speaker 1: Mm hm.

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Speaker 6: So I think that's also another interesting way to view it,

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01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 6: when it's like this is just like this is just

1375
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 6: who you grew up with as being the guy.

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01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 2: This is just the guy. And you know, we started

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01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 2: this talking about why it seemed like, at least from

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01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 2: the conversations we were having, the assassination attempt was such

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01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: a mild topic or so such a non topic or

1380
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 2: the people we met. And I wonder if some of

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01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 2: it is confusion about what it means.

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01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 6: Because this isn't This clearly isn't like an antifa guy.

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01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't. It was an antifa guy. It wasn't

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01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 2: you know, a trans person with blue hair, right, It

1385
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: wasn't something that fit into their narrative, like.

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Speaker 6: Probably a lot of people's like grandkids. Yeah, right, like

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01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 6: because most people here are are considered considered old.

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01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 2: Wearing a gun T shirt that probably a third of

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Speaker 2: the people in this have or at least they watch

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Speaker 2: the chan right.

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Speaker 6: Isn't it is an interesting what to view It is

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01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 6: that the mass shooter looks like a lot of these

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01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 6: people's like grandkids. Yeah, that is that is an interesting aspect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, anyway, folks, I hope this has been enlightening.

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01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 2: This is just the start of our week. So we're

1396
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 2: in for five more days that I'm sure each will

1397
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 2: be a worse time than the last. We're all going

1398
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 2: to go to sleep now and never.

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Speaker 7: Go to Woodmands ever again.

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Speaker 2: No, but we're going to find a place to get

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01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 2: liquor tomorrow. I promise you that. God, gentlemen and Garrisons,

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01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 2: this is it could happen here.

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Speaker 6: I'm Garrison Davis and joined with Robert Evans and Sophie

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01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 6: Lichterman or Day one of the official RNC, the Republican

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01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 6: National Convention. Robert, Sophie, how's your day?

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Speaker 2: Ben? Well, I'm tired. It was a long day. It

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01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 2: was very red.

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01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of red.

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01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 2: It was very loud. The drinks were very expensive.

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01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, we got Sony free drinks yesterday and not today.

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01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 2: No, not once you're in the convention center. I don't know.

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01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 2: We were trapped in a room with a lot of

1413
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 2: people who had were either used car salesman or spiritually

1414
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:49,839
Speaker 2: were used car salesman.

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01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 6: Also a lot of people who want to kill me specifically.

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01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 2: Yes, we'll talk about this that more later. Yeah, today,

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01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 2: Just structurally, what happened is, you know, it was a

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01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 2: series of speeches. So you had a first off the

1419
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 2: big floor vote, right, so we got to watch all

1420
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 2: of the different states had their delegates and they have

1421
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 2: to form even though everyone knows what's happening, they have

1422
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: to like formally follow Robert's rules of order or whatever

1423
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 2: and confirm that Trump is the nominee. And then they

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01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 2: announce and confirm the VP, who you all know by

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01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: now was JD. Vance. We'll talk might as well talk

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01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 2: a little bit about im now.

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Speaker 3: JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance is a guy who in the wake of Trump's

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01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 2: initial victory. He's a dude who came from Appalachia sort

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01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 2: of part time, went to an Ivy League school, did

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01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 2: some time in the Marines and then made a bunch

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Speaker 2: of money in business. And then when twenty sixteen happened

1433
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 2: and a lot of liberals were like, wow, how could

1434
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 2: Trump have won election? He capitalized by writing a book

1435
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 2: trying to explain the appalation experience, even though again he

1436
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,799
Speaker 2: only kind of lived there part time and mostly. Yeah,

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01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 2: had abandoned those people in that part, Like the book

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01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 2: is about him abandoning that part of his life as

1439
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 2: soon as he possibly can. Not a great book by

1440
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 2: my opinion as someone who grew up in a really

1441
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: fucking poor town in the Deep South.

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01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 7: But is he technically a millennial.

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the first millennial who might become vice president.

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01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 7: That's a big part of why I think he was picked.

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01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 2: Agreed, Yeah, that's a big part of why.

1446
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 7: So it was time for them to announce JD.

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01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 2: Vance.

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01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 7: They officially approved him. Delegates officially approved him, which happened

1449
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,799
Speaker 7: very quickly, and he came out to Chance in Ohio,

1450
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 7: where he's from, was very stoked to have him there.

1451
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 7: Lots of chance of JD.

1452
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:32,759
Speaker 1: JD.

1453
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 2: You're right, he had a hype man.

1454
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he advanced his way out there with his

1455
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 7: wife and looked emotional, and yeah, all I know is

1456
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 7: that he really fucking hates lb gt q IA people

1457
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 7: and I really fucking ate him.

1458
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 2: Uh huh Yeah, I mean he said that he kind

1459
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 2: of like turned the corner finally on what side because

1460
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 2: he had said some anti Trump stuff once in the day,

1461
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 2: but he turned the corner. Who has this movie got

1462
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 2: really bad reviews? So if we wind up going into

1463
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 2: full fledged fascist dictatorship, we can blame Ron Howard for

1464
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 2: some of that. And to be honest, we always knew

1465
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 2: that was going to be the case. Yeah, valid, Yeah,

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01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 2: after that, Yeah, Marjorie Taylor Green gave a speech, a

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01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 2: couple other people, Tim Scott had a speech.

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01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 7: So there was a break between sessions. We came back

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01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 7: for the second session. The second session opens up with

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Speaker 7: what I could only describe as I was like, Christopher Nolan,

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Speaker 7: are you here? It was like a reception sounding music, Wow, traumatized,

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Speaker 7: Thank you for that, traumatized video of like in a world, yeah,

1473
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:48,560
Speaker 7: like showing crime and people losing money and women and

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01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 7: babies crying.

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01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 2: And then there's like literally bad clip art of money

1476
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 2: on fire, clip.

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Speaker 7: Art of money on fire, and it's about it was

1478
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 7: like three to five minutes long, very long, because I

1479
01:15:58,560 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 7: took a video of it.

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Speaker 6: It felt like a lea bad like action thriller trailer.

1481
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 6: Could have been partly AI. There was certainly some CGE

1482
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 6: animation towards the end because they were they had this

1483
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 6: camera that was sweeping through this fake city. It was

1484
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:15,480
Speaker 6: all CG and it landed on this this this floodlight

1485
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 6: on top of a roof. It's broken, flickering, the floodlight

1486
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 6: gears are turning, the music is ramping up, and finally

1487
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 6: it lightens and we see Trump, the Trump signal shining

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01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 6: in the cloudy sky, calling calling the hero the mass

1489
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 6: avenger as if it was the bat signal from.

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01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: It was shameful and then and then people loved it. Yeah,

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01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 2: I got a great reaction. There's also a video of

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01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 2: all the scenes. If you if you've ever seen clips

1493
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 2: from rallies, you've probably seen little clips of Trump like

1494
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 2: fake dancing, doing doing that weird dancer his hand. He

1495
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 2: doesn't dance, but he's excited, but he's in a good mood,

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01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 2: you know. The dance.

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Speaker 7: It's what we would describe as a little wiggle. Anyways,

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01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 7: it was a very long wiggle video.

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Speaker 2: And people loved it. No, it looked like that.

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Speaker 6: This is the type of video that liberals would post

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01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 6: to make fun of Trump, and the fact that it

1502
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 6: was used as a hype video shows how useless that

1503
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 6: style of like political propertyanda is. You can't make fun

1504
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 6: of Trump for doing that little dance. That doesn't that

1505
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 6: doesn't do anything.

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01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 2: You can't make There's no use in making fun of Trump.

1507
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 2: There is no value in satirizing him. There is no

1508
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 2: value in laughing at him. Like if it helps you personally,

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01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 2: that's great, if you need that to get by, we

1510
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 2: all do it sometimes, but it is no it does

1511
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 2: no damage to them, like the not to shit on

1512
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 2: John Oliver. But the Trump stuff was a wild and

1513
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 2: spectacular failure. None of it accomplished anything, and everybody who

1514
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 2: ever thought that you could make fun of Trump and

1515
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 2: have any positive impact was wrong. And you should feel

1516
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 2: a little bad.

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01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 6: I do because and because they used it as a

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01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 6: hype video. They used it to stitch between their different

1519
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 6: musical acts, different segments, and oh boy, the music, so

1520
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 6: that the music was better than the music at the

1521
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 6: at the welcome party that we talked about in our

1522
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 6: last episode. But that bar is not very high. It's

1523
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 6: it's all it's it's all country music, right, it's country

1524
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 6: music cover bands.

1525
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 2: You It was not all country. No, there was a

1526
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 2: lot of like nineties stuff.

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01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 6: There was a fucking it's played in the style of country.

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01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 7: There was some bye Bye by your boat guy.

1529
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 2: There was at they had a they had a Fleetwood

1530
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: Mac song someone did you Can There.

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01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 7: Was like essentially like the the run of the Evening and.

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01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 6: Dad rock and country music. My apologies, it was dad

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01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 6: rock and country music.

1534
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 7: You know what I have to tell you. We do

1535
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 7: not care enough to argue about this anyways. The music

1536
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 7: was fucking mid It was like the way because I

1537
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 7: of course, like a bunch of people have Texas today

1538
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 7: and been like how is it? And the only way

1539
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 7: that we can describe it is if a normal person

1540
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 7: went to their favorite concert and and had great seats, yeah,

1541
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 7: and uh you were very happy. Is the same exact

1542
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 7: Or you went to a game set of the NBA Finals.

1543
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 7: That's exactly the reaction that the people in the crowd

1544
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 7: were having.

1545
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,959
Speaker 6: It's a mix of like a sports event, a concert,

1546
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 6: and like a mega church. If there was if there

1547
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 6: was some kind of concert that a whole bunch of

1548
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 6: boomers really enjoyed. That was the general vibe of the

1549
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 6: convention today, which.

1550
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 2: Is not all that different from how Trump Ralli's feel

1551
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: totally had. It had that vibe, and it felt more

1552
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 2: more like a concert than the twenty sixteen RNC did.

1553
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean there was also there was so much

1554
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 6: music in so few speeches. The speeches were only like

1555
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 6: two minutes long each, and there would be like extended,

1556
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 6: like ten twenty minute musical performances in between each speech.

1557
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 6: Like mostly it's just it's just people playing songs on stage.

1558
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 6: That was most of the R and C today.

1559
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 7: There was there was several different speeches that came after

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01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 7: those strange videos, and we'll get into that. But first

1561
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 7: we're gonna go to an AD break, and when we

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01:19:55,400 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 7: come back, we're gonna play live us from the well.

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01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 2: It was live when we recorded yea.

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01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 7: As what I'm saying live us. We were alive back

1565
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 7: then and now questionable talking about what we were experiencing

1566
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 7: in the moment.

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01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 6: But first, ads, Okay, we are back, and now we

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01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 6: will tune in to our recording we made on the

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01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 6: convention floor. Dunn, Okay, we are well recording live broadcasting

1570
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 6: a little bit later, but recording live on the ground

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01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,560
Speaker 6: at the Republican National Convention. We've had a very, a

1572
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 6: very busy morning. It's now mid afternoon. We're in between sessions.

1573
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,560
Speaker 6: The first session just wrapped up, and we thought we

1574
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 6: were we should have record some of our immediate thoughts

1575
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 6: before our little debrief tonight. I guess let's start with

1576
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 6: Robert Evans.

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01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, first off, my main overwhelming kind of takeaway

1578
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 2: is that the tone and tempo of this is a

1579
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 2: lot milder than I expected. And I think it's because

1580
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 2: the overwhelming majority of people here are extremely conservative, the

1581
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: most dedicated and active members of the party. But it's

1582
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 2: not like the Proud Boy Crew over definitely some of

1583
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 2: those people here.

1584
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,480
Speaker 6: But these are electoralists.

1585
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 2: These are electoralists. Most of them are a lot older,

1586
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 2: you know. I would say the average age is somewhere

1587
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 2: between the late forties to the sixties of like people

1588
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 2: you encounter here, and it is interesting to me that

1589
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 2: I have not, you know, as soon as we, like

1590
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 2: we said yesterday, as soon as we landed, we saw

1591
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 2: a guy with a trump after he got shot, sticking

1592
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 2: his fist in the airshirt. I haven't seen a ton

1593
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 2: of that on the ground here, since I've not seen

1594
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 2: a ton of it, nor have I seen a ton

1595
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 2: of direct references to it.

1596
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 7: I guess the sophie here, I think that. Guess. The

1597
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 7: main reference that I've seen is when they did the

1598
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 7: delegate official photo.

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01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 2: That would be the big one.

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01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 7: They all turned around and raised their fist in the

1602
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 7: way that Donald Trump did after the attempted assassination, which

1603
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 7: was fascinating to me.

1604
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially given the lack of otherwise direct emphasis

1605
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 2: on what happened. And maybe that's coming up. I kind

1606
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 2: of do the way I'm interpreting it now is because

1607
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 2: the thing that just dropped a few minutes ago is

1608
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 2: the FBI got into the shooter's phone. So far, preliminary findings,

1609
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 2: nothing in there that makes it clear why he did it.

1610
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 2: So I kind of think they may just be sort

1611
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 2: of confused as to why one of their own seemingly

1612
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,799
Speaker 2: carried out the shooting. Not really clear what the rhetoric

1613
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 2: on the shooters should be, but very clear on how

1614
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 2: they should respond to the Trump photo, Which is the

1615
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 2: primary takeaway from that is the photo is the pose?

1616
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 2: Is him cementing his image as this indestructible you know,

1617
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 2: man who's constantly under attack, right, and so it makes

1618
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 2: sense to me that they've adopted that hand sign, and

1619
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 2: I expect we'll see more of it. And boy, howdy,

1620
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 2: does it just look exactly like that the hand sign

1621
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 2: from the far right that everyone's familiar with.

1622
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 6: So as we were kind of in between speakers, they

1623
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,600
Speaker 6: had this little band playing and we happened to be

1624
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 6: sitting next to one of one of the younger people

1625
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,719
Speaker 6: that I've seen attending the convention, but like still still

1626
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 6: like an adult, like a very young adult, may maybe

1627
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 6: twenty one, maybe twenty at most.

1628
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 2: He couldn't have been older than twenty one because he

1629
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 2: said this is his first election. He'll be able to

1630
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 2: vote in yeesh presidential election.

1631
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:20,759
Speaker 6: So probably a little bit younger than me. It's interesting

1632
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 6: because yesterday we talked with some, you know, very old people,

1633
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 6: and today we talk to with some very young people

1634
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 6: to get and it's it is a it is an

1635
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 6: interesting contrast. So, yeah, this young conservative from from California

1636
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 6: but now lives in South Dakota and I don't know.

1637
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 6: We were asking him about like what what focus he

1638
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,520
Speaker 6: has in politics. He seemed really concerned about the economy.

1639
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 6: That was that was kind of his main his main issue.

1640
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 2: Almost the only thing he wanted to talk about was

1641
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 2: the economy. He was one thing, I'll say, very good natured,

1642
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 2: like not in the I am doing a pr thing,

1643
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 2: I am trying to put on an image, but just

1644
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 2: in the not at all aggressive, did not react kind

1645
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 2: of negatively to the fact that we were media, which

1646
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 2: you get a lot of that at events like these.

1647
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 2: He expressed that the only places he gets his news

1648
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 2: is Fox and News Nation on TV. He is not

1649
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 2: on social media, which I found interesting and statistics suggest

1650
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,719
Speaker 2: obviously that's not the norm, but it is a growing

1651
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 2: number of gen Z and Jen Alpha kids who avoid

1652
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 2: a lot of the internet.

1653
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 6: Well, and especially among conservatives. I mean there is a

1654
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,839
Speaker 6: lot of young conservatives who do get their news on TikTok,

1655
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,799
Speaker 6: who do get their news. Podcasts are one of the biggest,

1656
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 6: biggest ways that young people to the right get their news. Obviously,

1657
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,719
Speaker 6: like the Daily Wire is very dominant in the podcasting scene.

1658
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 6: But no, I found that very interesting, and I assume

1659
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 6: that's probably like, you know, influenced by his family. You know,

1660
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 6: whatever is on whatever is on the family TV.

1661
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 2: His his uncle is about to be the mayor of

1662
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 2: Huntington Beach, California, and is the sheriff. Huntington Beach is

1663
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 2: the most conservative city in California, probably a pretty wide margin.

1664
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1665
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 6: No, he expressed a lot of frustration that we were

1666
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 6: we were giving lots of money to Ukraine, that he

1667
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 6: felt that Zelensky was suspending on him self instead of

1668
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 6: on the military. And yeah, I mean he seemed like

1669
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 6: a good old Christian boy. He was very, very into

1670
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 6: the praying section of the night. I asked him at

1671
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,560
Speaker 6: ed ed at some point when when JD. Vance was

1672
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 6: coming out on stage to be announcedly the official vice president,

1673
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 6: like if he thinks that they're gonna win this year?

1674
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 6: Like do you think that the Republicans are gonna win?

1675
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 6: And he said yes, if it's fair.

1676
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the same That was the first thing

1677
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 2: I asked him, And that was the same answer he

1678
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 2: gave me. And you know, speaking of Vance, because Vance

1679
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 2: is my first thought and a lot of people's first thought.

1680
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 2: And I think this is probably the accurate thing to

1681
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 2: say about Vance. He does not provide a lot to Trump, right,

1682
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 2: He's not a guy who won by a wide margin.

1683
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm not even confident he on his own does anything

1684
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 2: to deliver his state Ohio. But what this kid brought

1685
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 2: up and what I suspect Trump season him, because when

1686
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,600
Speaker 2: I asked, what do you think about JD. Vance, he

1687
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 2: repeatedly said, I think he's loyal. I think he really

1688
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 2: likes Trump. I think he's loyal. And I did bring

1689
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 2: up the fact that Vance has said bad things about

1690
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 2: Trump in the past, and then he went on this

1691
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 2: thing where he was like, I think that DeSantis and

1692
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 2: Trump really like each other. It's all politics. And I

1693
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 2: wanted to say, how deranged, but then he was like,

1694
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 2: you know, it's like Kamala and Joe. She was really

1695
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 2: I mean to him during the debate and now she's

1696
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 2: his vice president. I was like, well, that's actually a

1697
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 2: pretty reasonable way to look at the situation. I don't

1698
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 2: know that I think it's actually accurate, but I see

1699
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 2: the logical through line there, and I was kind of,

1700
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 2: you know, I thought that was interesting.

1701
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 7: I thought it was interesting when they were bringing out JD.

1702
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 7: Vance and he was dancing vamping. I'm going to call

1703
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 7: it dancing vancing advancing that. You know, they were quick

1704
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 7: to call out that he he was a marine, quick

1705
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 7: to call him a patriot, quick to call him a

1706
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 7: family man, and I think that's what he brings to

1707
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 7: the table. He brings those three things as well as

1708
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 7: his age, and I think that's that's what the GOP

1709
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 7: is focusing on. Yeah, I mean, other than that, there

1710
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 7: was a really weird prayer thing.

1711
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was after Vance came up. They did the benediction.

1712
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 7: Yeah. It was.

1713
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 6: What I could only express is a little bit like

1714
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 6: spiritually disturbing. All of like the led screens behind behind,

1715
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 6: like the speakers all flashed like very like Facebook esque

1716
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 6: like images of like you know, the Bible of like

1717
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 6: families praying.

1718
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 2: Like kids, like glowing like glowing.

1719
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 6: Like like the heavenly glowing light, like the the the

1720
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 6: whole environment change from like you know, it's usually very

1721
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 6: like sports debate, you know, red versus Blue. It's you know,

1722
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 6: it's it's very traditional like Americana. And it was a

1723
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 6: very it was a very intense shift to like to

1724
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 6: like this to this like a like strong like Facebook

1725
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 6: Christianity almost. That's that's the best way I can I

1726
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 6: can describe it with words. And I mean, you know,

1727
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 6: it was a typical Christian dominionist moment where you have

1728
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 6: you know, the the one of the largest of two

1729
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 6: political parties, just fully, fully embracing the UH and fully

1730
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 6: you know, putting out that you know, this is this

1731
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 6: is a this is a real religious party. Almost more

1732
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 6: than anything else. The religion is so important to the ceremony,

1733
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 6: and specifically not just any religions of course, just Christianity.

1734
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 6: And I don't know, they spent like almost like the

1735
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 6: last half of the prayer talking about Israel and you know,

1736
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 6: specifically saying the children of Abraham and the Holy City

1737
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 6: of Jerusalem and you know, all all of that kind

1738
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 6: of language prayer for the hostages, talking about how the

1739
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 6: hostages are being kept against their will. But you know,

1740
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 6: all of the language reminds me a lot of like

1741
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 6: my childhood and the rhetoric around Israel as this place

1742
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 6: to secure so that so that you know, the prophecies

1743
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,799
Speaker 6: can come true for Jesus' second coming, and like that

1744
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 6: that is that is the entire the entire bit.

1745
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 2: I'm trying to recall if there was a big benediction

1746
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 2: at the end after the twenty sixteen RNC when Pennce

1747
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 2: was nominated, and I'm sure there was, but for whatever reason,

1748
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 2: it doesn't stick out in my mind the way this

1749
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 2: one did.

1750
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 6: Now, this will certainly stick stick out in my mind.

1751
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 6: Like everyone knows Republicans are, you know, the more Christian party,

1752
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 6: but just the year like a consensus about it here,

1753
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 6: just like everybody is, like even if they aren't themselves Christian,

1754
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 6: most people are, but like everyone's in on this thing happening.

1755
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 6: It was. It was just a it was just an

1756
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 6: interesting moment contrasted to the overall, you know, like a

1757
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 6: concert kind of sports vibe that the rest of the

1758
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 6: convention kind of carries.

1759
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, the only other thing that I pointed out.

1760
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 7: At one point, I went to get water and I

1761
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 7: came back and I mentioned right before we started to record,

1762
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 7: to both Gary and Robert, I was like, cops keep

1763
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,879
Speaker 7: touching me and like putting their hand on my shoulder,

1764
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 7: and you know, is one cop just wanted to talk

1765
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 7: to me about my day and I was like trying

1766
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 7: to get water and going back into the convention. And

1767
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 7: then I mentioned that to garon Robert and they both

1768
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 7: said that they've been touched quite a lot too, And

1769
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 7: I just think that's interesting to note, And you know,

1770
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 7: I don't particularly like to be touched by strangers, especially.

1771
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 2: Mine has been on the shoulder by like a couple

1772
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 2: of different what I would describe them as like uncle

1773
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 2: coded guys, yes, who I don't know and was not

1774
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 2: talking to, just like walking past me and putting a

1775
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 2: hand on my shoulder, like like someone who is a

1776
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 2: family member would do casually, like a family event, you know,

1777
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 2: when you're on the way to do something else. But

1778
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 2: I've never met these people. We did not talk. That

1779
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 2: was odd, hasn't happened to me before. Maybe everyone's just

1780
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 2: in a very good mood because they're that sure they're

1781
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 2: going to win. Maybe we just ran into a lot

1782
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 2: of creepy uncle types unclear.

1783
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 6: It'll be interesting to contrast with the DNC, But no,

1784
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 6: it certainly has been a pattern. There's a lot more

1785
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 6: like just casual touching here. And yeah, I think that

1786
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:40,719
Speaker 6: is most of our thoughts right now. I guess that.

1787
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 6: The last thing I guess I'll add is the young

1788
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 6: kid that we were talking to who was very excited

1789
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 6: about about this, about this whole deal. As Vance was

1790
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 6: coming out and you know, the crowd was going crazy

1791
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 6: and everything, he very quietly remarked that he was like

1792
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 6: gonna start crying because it was just like so like

1793
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 6: an impactful. I think it was. I think it was

1794
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 6: mostly to himself, like acknowledging that verbally and then said

1795
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 6: he wants to become a cop and that just you know,

1796
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 6: that is that is the entire base. And then he

1797
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,679
Speaker 6: was then immediately went into a very a very intense

1798
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 6: prayer posture during the prayer, and that's just a good

1799
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 6: portion of the country.

1800
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 2: I guess, yep, yep, I uh, yeah. It was interesting.

1801
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 2: We were talking about Ukraine for a while because his

1802
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 2: his stance on it was he's fine with them getting weapons,

1803
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 2: but he's sure they're getting a lot of money that

1804
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 2: Zelensky is doing something shady with. And generally it felt

1805
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 2: like Zelensky wasn't fighting, which I thought was interesting. It does,

1806
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 2: it is kind of It makes sense to me if

1807
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 2: you've skimmed the way the right reports on Ukraine a lot,

1808
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 2: that would be his attitude. But he also said he

1809
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,719
Speaker 2: wasn't supportive of yielding to Putin on any of Putin's demands.

1810
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 2: And then when I talked about because I chatted with

1811
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 2: him about some of my experiences in Ukraine, and when

1812
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 2: he found out that I had done more reporting, his

1813
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 2: first question was, have you ever been to Israel. Yeah,

1814
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 2: that was interesting. Yeah, interesting. Just immediately asked that. Oh,

1815
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 2: one other note, we run into a fan of the

1816
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:05,799
Speaker 2: show who was working who was wearing a USS Liberty hat.

1817
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 2: The USS Liberty was like a US Navy ship that

1818
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 2: was struck by Israel, and it's, you know, under very

1819
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 2: shady circumstances, and it's kind of like one of the

1820
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 2: better ways you could be publicly critical of the Israeli military,

1821
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 2: at least at the RNC, without most people knowing what

1822
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 2: you're doing. Yeah, I thought that was funny.

1823
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 6: The very last thing I'll say is that right as

1824
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 6: we exited the first session, we ran into friend of

1825
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 6: the podk Ramaswami, who was who was a little shorter

1826
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 6: than I expected. A tall man, not a tall man.

1827
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 6: And I did ask the kid that we were sitting

1828
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 6: next to. You know, I'm curious about his thoughts on

1829
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:47,879
Speaker 6: the future of the party, and I asked him specifically

1830
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 6: about the VEK, and he said he likes for VEK

1831
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 6: because Vivec is a businessman, just like Trump, and he

1832
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 6: wants someone to run the country like a business.

1833
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 2: I should also note that the Vek was followed by

1834
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 2: a swarm of like I'm guessing his entourage. All of

1835
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 2: the nearly all of them were very young men who

1836
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 2: I would describe as nick Fuintes coded. Yes, like like

1837
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 2: they really had that physiognomy to them.

1838
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 6: Groper types.

1839
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, groper types, which JD Vance. It's one of the

1840
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:18,640
Speaker 2: things coming out right now is that he's in a

1841
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 2: group chat with a bunch of sixteen year old groper

1842
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 2: So I am excited for some of those, more of

1843
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 2: those chats to come out, all right.

1844
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 6: Well, back to future us talking about the rest of

1845
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 6: the Republican National Convention. Day one.

1846
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 2: Wow, that sure was great. We had such a fun time.

1847
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:42,520
Speaker 2: You know what else is fun? Here's some more ads.

1848
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 2: We're back to conclude. We got a couple of things

1849
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,799
Speaker 2: to talk about. One of them is, you know, obviously

1850
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 2: we're at a convention. We don't have a car, we're

1851
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 2: taking ubers everywhere, we're eating at restaurants.

1852
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 6: And this has taken over almost all of the central

1853
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 6: area of Milwaukee, and.

1854
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 2: There were because of a lot of fuck ups. For

1855
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:07,639
Speaker 2: one thing, a lot of places that in downtown were

1856
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 2: supposed to be booked are not booked. Businesses are not

1857
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 2: getting the kind of business they had expected to get

1858
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 2: during this because of some of those fuck ups. Yeah,

1859
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 2: and kind of most interesting to us so coming into this.

1860
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 2: One of the things the Republicans even put at billboards

1861
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 2: in Milwaukee over this, and this is a big thing

1862
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 2: that Trump is campaigning on to try to get service

1863
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:27,679
Speaker 2: worker type people to vote for him, is no tax

1864
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 2: on tips. And to make a long story short, it

1865
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 2: works out to be much worse for service workers. Kind

1866
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:36,680
Speaker 2: of the compromise here is that they can continue to

1867
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 2: pay far below minimum wage and there will be no

1868
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 2: attempts to raise that at all. And of course the

1869
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 2: kind of people who vote for Republicans don't tip by and.

1870
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:48,879
Speaker 6: Large because they hate service workers.

1871
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 2: We have been talking to every Uber driver at all

1872
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 2: of the waiters waitresses that we've had, and pretty overwhelmingly

1873
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 2: nearly one hundred percent of them say like, yeah, we're

1874
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 2: just not getting.

1875
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:00,519
Speaker 6: No one's tipping, the extreme negative views just because of

1876
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 6: like the politics, right, just.

1877
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 2: Because about more than half of them don't really.

1878
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 6: Care, absolutely not, They're just doing business and like they're

1879
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 6: just they're these these are just bad patrons. These are

1880
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 6: simply people that are they're not nice to be around.

1881
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 6: Interact like these types of events like the RNC the

1882
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 6: d and see these are like cities campaign for this

1883
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 6: under the notion that this will like you know, boost

1884
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 6: local business, right, We'll bring a whulench of people from

1885
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 6: out of town. People will get a lot of money

1886
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:26,640
Speaker 6: to all these local businesses. And because of how the

1887
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 6: security set up this year in the in Milwaukee, so

1888
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:32,520
Speaker 6: many businesses just can get no business because they're completely

1889
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,719
Speaker 6: inside this like fence perimeter and UH and the rest

1890
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 6: are are not are not seeing very good business from

1891
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 6: what from from what it sounds like, and even even

1892
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 6: like hotels downtown are large largely vacant because of weird,

1893
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 6: weird scheduling area.

1894
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,839
Speaker 7: We we went to dinner earlier tonight with some friends

1895
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 7: and we asked one of the restaurant workers, like how

1896
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 7: how it was going, And obviously she said the same

1897
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 7: thing that we've heard so many times, which is not great,

1898
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 7: not good, not making a lot of tips. But what

1899
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:02,599
Speaker 7: was interesting is she said, you know, and they really

1900
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 7: tried to throw in our faces that this was going

1901
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:07,600
Speaker 7: to be a good thing for all of us and

1902
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 7: we were all going to make a bunch of money,

1903
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 7: and it's happening. It's just not happening.

1904
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 2: And chatted to Timothy Faust, who was a writer, great writer,

1905
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 2: great guy, and a local here. We had dinner with him,

1906
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 2: and he pointed out that Milwaukee has been and was

1907
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 2: on the verge of bankruptcy still having a lot of

1908
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 2: problems with that, and a big part of why they

1909
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 2: took the RNC was because Republicans in the state legislature

1910
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,639
Speaker 2: that was basically the bargaining point, so that they would

1911
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 2: allow a sales tax, which was kind of necessary in

1912
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 2: order to There's more to it than that, but a

1913
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 2: big part of like how the negotiations broke down was

1914
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 2: the Republicans wanted this in order to make it possible

1915
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,600
Speaker 2: for the city of Milwaukee to not collapse because it

1916
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 2: was on the verge of bankruptcy. And hearing that made

1917
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 2: a lot of sense, made a lot of things click

1918
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 2: into place, because it does. Everyone one we have talked

1919
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 2: to who is a local and who is working in

1920
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 2: any job that interfaces with the convention and convention goers

1921
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 2: talks like they've been scammed.

1922
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, and just one more thing before we get into

1923
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 7: the rest of you know, what we experienced speech wise

1924
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 7: and other is the difference in security today versus the outdoor.

1925
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:25,639
Speaker 7: But we went to yesterday for the welcome party. Very surprising,

1926
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:30,559
Speaker 7: very surprising. So just the one to one example I'll

1927
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 7: give you listeners is yesterday they took every single item

1928
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 7: out of my bag that I had after putting through

1929
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:44,600
Speaker 7: a scanner and unzipped everything. Today they zipped it up

1930
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 7: because they didn't want anything to fall out and didn't

1931
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 7: open it, didn't touch a single thing, went through a scanner.

1932
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:50,959
Speaker 7: I was through security in like four seconds.

1933
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it was. It was super weird, way more

1934
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 6: lax getting into the actual convention center than it was

1935
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,599
Speaker 6: to get into the outdoor welcome party, which is just

1936
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Speaker 6: a It came off as a little little surprising to us.

1937
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Speaker 7: They they had. They made such a big deal about

1938
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Speaker 7: what you can and can't bring in and had specific

1939
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Speaker 7: measurements for like bags and stuff. But we saw people

1940
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Speaker 7: with some of the large, very large background, some bags

1941
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Speaker 7: that were bigger than me. And yeah, you know, that's

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Speaker 7: just interesting to note.

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Speaker 6: One less thing on the service worker thing. On our

1944
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 6: ride home from the RNC or back to the hotel,

1945
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 6: we sat a new in an uber with a very

1946
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:32,520
Speaker 6: nice man who I would describe as the average Wisconsin voter. Yeah,

1947
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 6: he had he had a teamsters shirt, and you know

1948
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,760
Speaker 6: of a variety of like of both liberal and kind

1949
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 6: of conservative opinions. You know, it's I think he kind

1950
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 6: of leaned more liberal, but he certainly had, you know,

1951
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 6: of of a variety of opinions. And he was both

1952
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 6: expressing the same thing in regards to tips, but also

1953
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 6: a men's frustration at the way police were treating locals.

1954
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 6: The way police were treating local drivers. Just the sheer

1955
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 6: influx of of cops just to have have made have

1956
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 6: made functioning in this city just so challenging to any

1957
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Speaker 6: of these locals. And yeah, that was a very fascinating

1958
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Speaker 6: conversation that we might discuss that at a later time. Well,

1959
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Speaker 6: we will talk about now are Catholics those those little fiends.

1960
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Speaker 6: So after the very like evangelical Children of Abraham prayer

1961
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 6: that that we talked about in our in our archival audio,

1962
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 6: as soon as we came back for the second session,

1963
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Speaker 6: there was an opening prayer led by the Archbishop of Milwaukee,

1964
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Speaker 6: which is kind of interesting because a lot of the

1965
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 6: intendees here are very evangelical. These are not Catholics, And

1966
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:36,600
Speaker 6: there you could definitely see there is you know, a

1967
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 6: little a little bit of groans amongst among some of

1968
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Speaker 6: these people. And I found it a very interesting move.

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Speaker 2: To somebody who talked shit on the Catholics earlier. The

1970
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 2: l the old lady that we that or at least

1971
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 2: that I was talking to last night at the party,

1972
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 2: made a couple of comments about Catholics because she doesn't

1973
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 2: believe they really worship Jesus because pop Catholics. Yeah, and

1974
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 2: well it's not even the papstries because Catholics. This is

1975
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 2: a that born again have an issue with Catholicism is

1976
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 2: don't believe you have to accept Christ to go to heaven,

1977
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 2: Like if you do good things, Catholics think you can

1978
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,600
Speaker 2: go to heaven. Sure, And that is deeply offensive to

1979
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Speaker 2: a sizable chunk of the Christian community in the United States. Yeah,

1980
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Speaker 2: so I found that very interesting.

1981
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Speaker 6: Wasn't really expecting to see an opening Catholic prayer that

1982
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 6: I want to talk to some more people tomorrow about.

1983
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,720
Speaker 6: That is Chance's Catholic that that makes it.

1984
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Speaker 2: That's probably why is a Catholic convert just like the

1985
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 2: Red Scare girl. He is a Catholic convert millennial who

1986
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:36,000
Speaker 2: has taken a bunch of money from Peter Teel.

1987
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Speaker 6: Many such cases. So one of the first people to

1988
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 6: speak after this archbishop was famed Republican figure Marjorie Taylor Green,

1989
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 6: who we could have a lot to say, but I

1990
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 6: think the first thing that I want to mention is

1991
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:58,639
Speaker 6: that she feels more representative of most of the RNC

1992
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 6: attendees and anyone else who we've seen speak like she

1993
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:06,120
Speaker 6: She has the same energy and vibe as most of

1994
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Speaker 6: the attendees like that. That is why they love her

1995
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 6: so much, because she is one of them, to the

1996
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 6: point where she she was like a Republican fan who

1997
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:15,920
Speaker 6: just happened to get into office, and now she's this

1998
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Speaker 6: major figure. She was the ascot exactly.

1999
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Speaker 2: And was a lot more popular than dance. Oh yeah,

2000
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Speaker 2: in terms of floor reaction.

2001
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Speaker 6: No, she she is. She is beloved among this crowd.

2002
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 6: She she's she is them right. The audience members can

2003
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:34,680
Speaker 6: see her, and they can they can see themselves in her.

2004
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 6: And she got the biggest reaction out of out of

2005
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 6: the crowd. Probably saved for Trump making a short appearance,

2006
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 6: but her speech had the biggest reaction. And we will

2007
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:45,240
Speaker 6: we will get to that now. One one of the

2008
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:47,560
Speaker 6: first things she said is you're talking about the assassination

2009
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 6: attempt and stuff is that Trump. She referred to him

2010
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 6: as the founding father of the America First Movement, which

2011
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 6: is a lot of interesting loaded language there.

2012
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Speaker 7: There are a lot of words there.

2013
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 6: Very extremely loaded language for the founding father of the

2014
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 6: America First Movement. She then spoke about the wonderful family

2015
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 6: man whose life was unfortunately cut short from getting shot

2016
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 6: in the attempted assassination attempt of Donald Trump, saying that

2017
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 6: that Corey embodied the America First spirit. But no, she

2018
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 6: she she had all of all of the typical lines

2019
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 6: that you would say about someone who was who was

2020
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 6: killed in an incident like this, And and then she

2021
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 6: talked about the thing that got the loudest applause out

2022
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 6: of anything else today, which is which is the whole

2023
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 6: gender ideology issue. She talked about how how President Biden

2024
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:42,640
Speaker 6: turned Easter into transvisibility Day, which.

2025
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 7: Is factually true because.

2026
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 6: Easter changes holidays transvisibility days on the same day, you know,

2027
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 6: a bit, but Easter changes the actual day it's on.

2028
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 6: But that got a massive boo And there was people

2029
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 6: sitting next to us who were just shouting evil, just

2030
01:42:57,400 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 6: super loud shouting evil. And this is this is the

2031
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 6: most hyped up I've ever seen the crowd. You know,

2032
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 6: all the other mentions there were, there was a few

2033
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 6: other mentions about you know, men and women's sports, that

2034
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 6: kind of thing that got you know, the big biggest,

2035
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 6: the biggest booze and the biggest cheers, like respectively. You know,

2036
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Speaker 6: people saying there are only two genders. We're brave enough

2037
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:18,760
Speaker 6: to say it. We're going to keep saying it. That

2038
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:21,599
Speaker 6: hyped up the crowd just just more than anything else.

2039
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:27,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, she said, be clear here there are only two genders,

2040
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:31,520
Speaker 7: and the crowd went just nuts bananas.

2041
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 2: She right after that made a statement about needing to

2042
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:36,920
Speaker 2: stop sending money to Ukraine, that Zelenski was going to

2043
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 2: embezzle or something about half the volume like not not

2044
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:41,560
Speaker 2: a tiny.

2045
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:44,759
Speaker 6: Compared to the rest of the cheering of a pretty loud.

2046
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 2: Reaction, like not a bad reaction, but it was clearly

2047
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 2: about half the volume with the anti transfer and.

2048
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 7: Mind you listeners she spoke for like what it was

2049
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:53,880
Speaker 7: like three minutes top.

2050
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be surprised if the whole speech typed

2051
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 2: out was more than about a page.

2052
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 6: No, it was wild and she had basically a bullet

2053
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 6: point list of like hate speech.

2054
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 2: If I I kind of want to go back through

2055
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 2: video of the I remember the speeches at the twenty

2056
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:14,760
Speaker 2: sixteen RNC being longer, but that was a million years ago. Yeah.

2057
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 6: Now she had the you know, the the usual comments

2058
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:20,400
Speaker 6: about you know, how we have to stop the globalists,

2059
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 6: the wealthy and the powerful few, which is which is

2060
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 6: just an interesting thing to speak to an RNC crowd

2061
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 6: because it's one of the most powerful, the wealthy, powerful few.

2062
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 6: You are talking to them, and her the line that

2063
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 6: came right before this was talking about how how we

2064
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 6: have to stand up against the establishment who promise unity

2065
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 6: but promote division. And I'm like, this is this is

2066
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:43,600
Speaker 6: this is the most We're all trying to find the

2067
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:45,840
Speaker 6: guy who did this moment. Ever, right you're you're talking

2068
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 6: about how there's there's these these powerful establishment figures who

2069
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:52,840
Speaker 6: talk about unity but actually just promote division, and like

2070
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 6: you were, you were talking about yourself and all the

2071
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 6: times that these like these like people who work in

2072
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 6: Washington start bashing like the establishment and stuff like you

2073
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 6: you are the establishment, that is you, that that is

2074
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 6: your job, but that those are very very common talking

2075
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 6: points and stuff like that. I'm sure many listeners are

2076
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:13,559
Speaker 6: familiar with this, with this sort of like double speak

2077
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 6: and and yeah, that was her speech. Definitely the biggest

2078
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 6: reaction we saw the crowd have. Trump and his family

2079
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:21,720
Speaker 6: made a very brief appearance, kind of kind of a

2080
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:25,720
Speaker 6: surprise appearance, but to some people's surprise, he didn't He

2081
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 6: didn't actually give a speech. He instead, I think, took

2082
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:30,599
Speaker 6: which was the smarter play, show up with a very

2083
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:34,799
Speaker 6: large bandage on his ear and instead sit down and listen,

2084
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 6: just become part of the audience. It's an interesting movie.

2085
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 6: He didn't immediately like take over the convention. No, he's

2086
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:42,960
Speaker 6: kind of playing this more like statesman role.

2087
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:46,920
Speaker 7: He almost looked like he was tearing up.

2088
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he did.

2089
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:49,760
Speaker 7: He was sitting in the crowd.

2090
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:54,839
Speaker 2: Quiet, subdued, even Yep, he looked worried at point, worried, anxious,

2091
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 2: or somber. I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised if

2092
01:45:57,280 --> 01:45:59,639
Speaker 2: it was a natural reaction to being in your first

2093
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:01,599
Speaker 2: crowd after being shot and nearly died.

2094
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:03,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, the last time you were in a crowd.

2095
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:06,519
Speaker 2: Like he is a person, right, That's just how people

2096
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 2: react oftentimes when that kind of thing happens.

2097
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:12,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know. He was sitting next to Tucker Carlson, JD. Vans,

2098
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 6: and Michael and and Mike Johnson with his kids sitting

2099
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 6: behind him.

2100
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 2: Look, when you have a near death experience, you know,

2101
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 2: when somebody somebody shoots at you and damn near hits,

2102
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 2: it crystallizes a lot. You know what's really important, and

2103
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 2: you also know what you don't want to waste your

2104
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:31,720
Speaker 2: time with anymore. And that's that's why the Trump kids

2105
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 2: were in the back of that, the back of the crowd.

2106
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:36,799
Speaker 2: He doesn't want them anywhere near him. Life is short.

2107
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,799
Speaker 7: I just want to point out what they showed trumple

2108
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 7: the screed with with Mike Tucker and who is the

2109
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 7: fourth person, Jni Man's I've already forgot his face curiously

2110
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 7: goes nightmare blood rotation, and they are.

2111
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 6: Correct, and that that was day one of the convention.

2112
01:46:57,479 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 2: That way, I do want to get into one other

2113
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:03,080
Speaker 2: thing because this again, we had a big don't panic

2114
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 2: episode a day or two before this. You'll have heard

2115
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:09,559
Speaker 2: one episode in between those two and posting stuff today,

2116
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 2: posting comments on like how extreme the rhetoric is. I

2117
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 2: see people getting scared again. You should like, you should

2118
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:18,919
Speaker 2: be very concerned if here is not an unreasonable reaction

2119
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:22,160
Speaker 2: to seeing all this happen. But this is also something

2120
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:25,679
Speaker 2: that I think will contextualize the scale of the actual

2121
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 2: number of people that we're talking about here. When we

2122
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 2: were sitting, we found a quiet place to record the

2123
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:32,599
Speaker 2: middle bit that you heard. So we were in kind

2124
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:34,720
Speaker 2: of an empty area, and I would say close to

2125
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:37,400
Speaker 2: half of the or about right about half, maybe even

2126
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 2: a little more of the actual stadium was empty, and

2127
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 2: most of them were clustered in the area that had

2128
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:44,760
Speaker 2: and so there were a lot of areas where there's

2129
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 2: just absolutely nobody. And several times, what was it, three

2130
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:51,160
Speaker 2: or four times, Sophie, probably we had different people who

2131
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 2: were I either worked for the RNC or worked for

2132
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 2: the venue come by, but I'm guessing the RNC, just

2133
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:58,719
Speaker 2: because of their general vibe.

2134
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, and because the lens, Yeah, to try to get

2135
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 9: us too, because even the areas that were full had

2136
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:06,200
Speaker 9: a lot of patches in them, they weren't all that full.

2137
01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:07,680
Speaker 9: So they wanted to get us to get up from

2138
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:10,799
Speaker 9: the empty areas and move to fill in the areas

2139
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 9: that were going to be on camera so it looked

2140
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,880
Speaker 9: like it was fuller, and they did that because it

2141
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 9: was not very full. Now, as someone it's not very

2142
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 9: full because this is a political convention. It is not

2143
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 9: open to the masses. I don't know that it would

2144
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:25,120
Speaker 9: have filled up it was open to the masses, but

2145
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:30,400
Speaker 9: there's an inherently limited guest list. But it did seem

2146
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 9: to be less people than I recall from the twenty

2147
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 9: sixteen RNC. And more to the point, everything that you

2148
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 9: see and everything we're talking about, and all of the

2149
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 9: extremity and the weirdness of these in a lot of

2150
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 9: cases freaks, assholes, creeps that we see. This is a

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Speaker 9: couple of thousand of the most dedicated Republicans in the country.

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Speaker 9: This is the elite of the party. These are the

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Speaker 9: people who have a lot of the money, if not

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Speaker 9: most of it, and a lot do a lot of

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01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 9: the nuts and bolts of making the Republican Party run.

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01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,760
Speaker 9: These are not representative of most of the people who

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Speaker 9: live around you, unless you live in a place that

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Speaker 9: is real hardcore Trump country, in which case a lot

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Speaker 9: of these folks are familiar. But they but they got

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Speaker 9: a lot more money than your neighbors, I'll tell you

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Speaker 9: that much. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: No, And it is worth pointing out that they were

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01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 6: trying to make an effort to move people around to

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01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 6: make the seats look more full. Because also everything that

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Speaker 6: we're also seeing is theater. There's all these rituals that

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Speaker 6: they're doing to confirm confirm the nomination. It's like it's

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Speaker 6: a very it's very ritualized, very theatrical experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: There is one point where Robert and Gear we're walking

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Speaker 7: around and I was sitting in our intersection by myself,

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01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 7: and I had three separate twenty something males come up

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01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 7: to me to try to give me Trump signs, and uh,

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01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 7: all three, in a very unsettling way, pointed out that

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Speaker 7: I was sitting alone and it made me feel very unsafe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to the Republican Party.

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Speaker 6: So correct.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and as they pointed out earlier, definitely a lot

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Speaker 7: of unwanted touching.

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Speaker 6: But he you know, welcome to the Republican Party. And

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Speaker 6: you know what it's touching.

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Speaker 2: Unwanted touching is essentially part of the main party platform.

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Speaker 7: It literally and it is only day one.

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Speaker 6: It is day one, four, well, three more to go,

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Speaker 6: and we will be covering it a night.

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Speaker 7: We'll be back tomorrow with morey any final thoughts anyone.

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Speaker 2: Nope, nope.

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Speaker 6: Tip your service workers.

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Speaker 1: And wash your hands.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to it could happen here a podcast recorded

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Speaker 2: at the Republican National Convention, which I do not very

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01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:13,519
Speaker 2: much like. We're having a great time.

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Speaker 6: Though, well not really. This is the worst day we've

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Speaker 6: had so far.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the worst days I've ever had. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we did get to talk with Rudy Giuliani, which was

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Speaker 2: a highlight of the day. Hearing more about that later,

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01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:26,000
Speaker 2: but first let's go around. Let you know who's going

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Speaker 2: to be talking on this episode. First off, we've got

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Speaker 2: Garrison Davis hello, finally identified as she her by the

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Speaker 2: Secret Service. There you go.

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Speaker 6: Congrats, They're going woke.

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Speaker 2: They're going woke. That's why it happened. That's what Rudy

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01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 2: talked about, and I guess he was right. And then

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01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:50,040
Speaker 2: speaking of woke, de supervisor Sophie Lichterman.

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01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 7: I've had a day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll bet make fun of me. We are in

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01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 2: the like the chunk of the there's like the main

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01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:04,719
Speaker 2: stadium where all of the very red and botox people

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Speaker 2: give their speeches, and then there's this part where all

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Speaker 2: of the different like media companies have booths set up.

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Speaker 2: Iheart's got a booth. There a very large booth very

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01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 2: large booth, and we are kind of above that right

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01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:17,800
Speaker 2: now because it's a relatively quiet place to record.

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Speaker 7: For some visuals. Here we are sitting in this part

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Speaker 7: of a arena.

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Speaker 2: The Panther Arena, the Panther Arena.

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01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:28,519
Speaker 7: There's red carpet everywhere, and there are cubicle style booths

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Speaker 7: for various publications.

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Speaker 2: Let's see, I see O A N.

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Speaker 6: We are sitting right above the iHeart to end the

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Speaker 6: Daily Wire booth. They have a whole wall of Matt Walsh,

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Speaker 6: a wall of Walls Walsh, if you will.

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Speaker 2: Bright Bart's got a tiny little cue, very small.

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01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:46,280
Speaker 6: Frank's speech has a little booth, you know, a lot

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01:52:46,280 --> 01:52:47,680
Speaker 6: of a lot of local radio, you know.

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01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:50,599
Speaker 2: For there was that when we met Rudy earlier today,

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01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:53,240
Speaker 2: he was a the wvo in booth, which is a

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Speaker 2: local radio station. They did not let him speak this

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01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:58,880
Speaker 2: year at the r n C. Did not really seem

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01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:00,840
Speaker 2: to want him to be here. That's too bad. He

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01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:04,160
Speaker 2: claimed to be happy that that was the case. Well, yeah,

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01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 2: interesting guy. Took a little tumble today. Took a little

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01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:10,360
Speaker 2: tumble today, fell and then kept falling on the floor

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01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 2: of the event. Classic Rudy. And when we went to

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Speaker 2: lunch earlier and wound up in the same room as

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01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:20,040
Speaker 2: Ted Cruz briefly, who was also at that restaurant. A

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01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 2: lady came up to us, a Republican alternate delegate, and said,

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01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:28,200
Speaker 2: are you a band? Are you musicians? You look like musicians?

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01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:31,520
Speaker 7: Solely based off of Robert having tattoos.

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Speaker 2: I do think it was entirely based on the fact

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Speaker 2: that I have to.

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01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 6: We probably look cooler than anyone else here.

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01:53:36,360 --> 01:53:38,920
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, I said, we that's the first

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01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:41,120
Speaker 2: time you've said that to me, Garrison, and it really

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01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 2: you know what, I took a convention.

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01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:47,520
Speaker 6: I took a convention republics older than my grandparents.

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01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 7: I will say that at this restaurant, the restaurant worker

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01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:54,920
Speaker 7: did give us all free shots of vodka because she

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01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:56,800
Speaker 7: said we had looked like we had had a week.

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Speaker 7: And boy, howdy is she right.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure she's been having one too.

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01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, she was very nice. So Garon, Robert, you want

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01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:05,759
Speaker 7: to take me We weren't together for most of today.

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01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:07,760
Speaker 7: Do you want to take me through your day? And

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Speaker 7: then I can tell you about.

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Speaker 2: My really fun day.

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Speaker 1: God.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll start by talking about our morning. So

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Speaker 2: yesterday was a pro Palestine March that was Monday. From Monday,

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Speaker 2: Fronce kind of build us a march on the RNC.

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Speaker 6: It was a sizable demonstration, at least five hundred.

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Speaker 2: At least five hundred I'm cluded to me the exact numbers,

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Speaker 2: but not tiny March is a little bit of a misnumber.

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Speaker 2: It was located in the park that's kind of closest

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Speaker 2: to the RNC security area today. It was a very

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01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:40,080
Speaker 2: different vibe. There were counter protesters, but there were also

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01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:42,040
Speaker 2: like there was like a church group who was there

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01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:42,600
Speaker 2: with signs.

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Speaker 6: It's like a Westboro Baptist church styles the street preacher group.

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Speaker 2: They do not like Catholics.

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01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 6: They don't like gay people or Catholics, or fornication or adultery,

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01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 6: that sort of thing. You know, if you can picture

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01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:56,720
Speaker 6: the big signs that people carry around, it's.

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Speaker 7: That sounds sounds fun. Guys.

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Speaker 6: We saw an amazing T shirt today, Robert, do you

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01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:03,280
Speaker 6: do you have a do you have a recollection of

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01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:05,280
Speaker 6: the best T shirt that we saw today?

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01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 2: Oh God, is that the prolapsed rectum tissure is atal

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01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 2: sex equals prolapsed rectum? And then wow, god, it felt

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01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 2: like a John quote. There was a book of the

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01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:18,320
Speaker 2: Bible that I know does not refer directly to prolapsed

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01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:21,840
Speaker 2: rectors romans romans Paul, So you know Paul was not

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01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:23,120
Speaker 2: talking about rectums.

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Speaker 6: Well, but Paul is the most homophobic out of all

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01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:28,160
Speaker 6: the New Testament writers. But basically we talked to some

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01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:30,360
Speaker 6: of these types of people gathered at this little this

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01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 6: little squares little park. There was maybe like one or

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01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:36,320
Speaker 6: two people protesting the RNC itself, just holding signs, you know,

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01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 6: someone with a megaphone, But the rest of the people

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01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:42,440
Speaker 6: gathered where these were these street preacher types. And then

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Speaker 6: we went over to this media section earlier this morning.

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Speaker 6: That's where we talked to our good are now good friend,

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01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 6: Rudy Giuliani.

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01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:53,640
Speaker 2: So again, if you're picturing this floor, it's like a

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01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:56,040
Speaker 2: bunch of large cubicles. So you've ever been to a

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01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:58,240
Speaker 2: trade show, it looks like a trade show, right, But

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01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 2: each of the cubicles is a different radio station or

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01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 2: internet media company. And Rudy was just sort of chilling

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Speaker 2: at a local radio station booth with Laura Lumer When

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01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:13,240
Speaker 2: we first walked up Amazing vibes, she thanked God love

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01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:16,720
Speaker 2: and I will say Laura Lumor famous on the internet

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Speaker 2: for looking very peculiar, one of the more normal looking

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01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:21,120
Speaker 2: people at the.

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Speaker 6: RNC, which I don't think is a testament to how

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01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:26,920
Speaker 6: normal Laura Lumor looks. It's a testament to the types

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01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:28,760
Speaker 6: of people that we are seeing every day at the

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01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:32,440
Speaker 6: RNC that everyone kind of looks a little Lumor esque. Yeah,

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01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:35,600
Speaker 6: so she looks a little bit less bizarre in comparison

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01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:38,120
Speaker 6: to just everyone else we're seeing, who all has, you know,

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Speaker 6: a curious amount of facial surgeries, Yeah going on that

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01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:43,680
Speaker 6: makes them just look just look a little different, just.

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01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:46,120
Speaker 2: A little different. We saw the Fox News had anchored

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01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 2: today whose face was as smooth as a baby's ass.

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01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:50,960
Speaker 6: It looked like carved marble.

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01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:53,720
Speaker 2: It looked like carved marble and was clearly bloated with

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01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:54,720
Speaker 2: Bachelin toxin.

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Speaker 7: Incredible.

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01:56:56,120 --> 01:56:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a beautiful man, Sophie, He was a

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01:56:58,280 --> 01:56:58,840
Speaker 2: beautiful man.

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Speaker 7: I thank YOUSU is retinall well, he must.

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Speaker 2: Use retinal And he had a chin as wide as

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01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 2: like glory days. Bruce Campbell, very wide face.

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01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:09,320
Speaker 7: I bet he never forgot to wear sunscreen unlike you two.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, kind of the last thing we did at

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Speaker 2: the convention before coming back was. We had a little

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Speaker 2: conversation with Rudy, primarily about Ukraine. His basic stance is

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Speaker 2: that Ukraine is stealing all of the money that the

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01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:22,600
Speaker 2: government gives it. When I pointed out that that money

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01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:26,400
Speaker 2: was primarily coming in military subsidies and like military weapons,

2330
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:29,200
Speaker 2: he said they were stealing the weapons and selling them.

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01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:31,240
Speaker 2: And I asked to who, and he said he didn't know,

2332
01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:33,720
Speaker 2: at which point his handler got him out of there,

2333
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 2: and we wound up walking over to the iHeart booth

2334
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:39,800
Speaker 2: where one of our coworkers, Dan O'Donnell, who's a more

2335
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 2: conservative guy in the network, but who through a law

2336
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:45,480
Speaker 2: enforcement contact, got the story that a man had just

2337
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:48,640
Speaker 2: been shot outside of the RNC security zone, but by

2338
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:51,440
Speaker 2: police who were in town for the RNC. It wound

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01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:54,960
Speaker 2: up that they are Columbus, Ohio police, So we rushed

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01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:57,280
Speaker 2: down there, split up with him pretty quickly because I

2341
01:57:57,320 --> 01:58:00,879
Speaker 2: think he was mostly interested in talking to the police scene,

2342
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:04,760
Speaker 2: and we wound up right in the middle of you know,

2343
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 2: what is the poorest neighborhood in Milwaukee, the poorest zip

2344
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:10,600
Speaker 2: code in the state, one of the highest rates of

2345
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 2: incarceration in the country. It is a deeply deprived area.

2346
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 2: The first guy we talked to. He was with Lighthouse

2347
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:21,360
Speaker 2: Ministries I think was the name of the organization, which

2348
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:23,600
Speaker 2: is essentially he was running like a Christian halfway house,

2349
01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:27,360
Speaker 2: and we saw another larger halfway house even closer to

2350
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Speaker 2: the shooting, Like there were two half way houses effectively

2351
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:32,920
Speaker 2: right next to each other. That's the kind of neighborhood

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01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:37,160
Speaker 2: this was. And when we got there, police had just

2353
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:40,040
Speaker 2: started setting up cordons. They had started it with about

2354
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:42,880
Speaker 2: a block or two fenced off with police tapes, but

2355
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:45,720
Speaker 2: were widening at every few minutes. They were adding new blocks,

2356
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:48,360
Speaker 2: quickly expanding, and a large number of cops were on scene.

2357
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:51,120
Speaker 2: There were horse cops on scene. We could not get

2358
01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:53,040
Speaker 2: close to about a block from the site of the

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01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:55,000
Speaker 2: shooting itself, but we were able to get into a

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01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:57,840
Speaker 2: park where there were a lot of local people who

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01:58:57,880 --> 01:59:01,240
Speaker 2: were very angry at what had happened. And one of

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01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:04,000
Speaker 2: the first things I encountered was a couple of guys,

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01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:05,560
Speaker 2: you know, one of whom was filming on his phone

2364
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:07,520
Speaker 2: yelling at the police, a couple of whom were sitting

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Speaker 2: in lawn chairs, and one of whom was speaking about

2366
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:13,440
Speaker 2: like you know, who had clearly witnessed the shooting, saying, like,

2367
01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:16,720
Speaker 2: you know, they were just having an argument. If you'd

2368
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:19,920
Speaker 2: let us the neighborhood handle it, we would have handled it.

2369
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:22,000
Speaker 2: The most there would have been was a black guy.

2370
01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:24,480
Speaker 2: What the fuck is wrong with you guys. We talked

2371
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 2: to him. His name is Emmanual And I'm actually just

2372
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:29,000
Speaker 2: gonna play a clip from that interview with the Manual.

2373
01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:33,080
Speaker 3: Right now, here's what all these on the bikes I

2374
01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:34,080
Speaker 3: want to let you see now.

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01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:36,960
Speaker 2: So they parked in the King.

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01:59:36,840 --> 01:59:40,720
Speaker 8: Center, abum, and they were just basically patrolling watching us, right.

2377
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:43,880
Speaker 2: So the two guys have a little braw about the ball.

2378
01:59:43,960 --> 01:59:47,040
Speaker 2: That's about the fight. So they didn't really fight for

2379
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:54,560
Speaker 2: Kobe's shopping Freeze shot him. Empty the clip. Every twelve

2380
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:55,240
Speaker 2: officers on.

2381
01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:58,520
Speaker 8: The bike empty their clinton because you speak cockbi Anpty

2382
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:01,120
Speaker 8: the Clintons. And then whenever done, they're turning guns on

2383
02:00:01,200 --> 02:00:03,280
Speaker 8: us and then now their person.

2384
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:05,440
Speaker 2: Let's further further away, we're an issue.

2385
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:07,000
Speaker 8: Because they don't want us to tell you guys what

2386
02:00:07,160 --> 02:00:09,800
Speaker 8: really happened when they could have tasted in the restident

2387
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:11,640
Speaker 8: city in the jail. They shot him and they was

2388
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:14,080
Speaker 8: going to shoot the other guy and way, so they

2389
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:19,600
Speaker 8: turn the guns are about sixteen of us Robert. Yeah, yeah,

2390
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:21,680
Speaker 8: so yeah, they were others why I didnt shoot because

2391
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:23,920
Speaker 8: they realized their guns were empty, so they caught the backups.

2392
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:25,680
Speaker 8: And that's why they have more backups and more backups

2393
02:00:25,680 --> 02:00:27,120
Speaker 8: and the backups, and that's why we.

2394
02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:28,560
Speaker 2: Are backing up.

2395
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:31,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, and is that the that's the plan now, is

2396
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:33,800
Speaker 10: my guest?

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02:00:34,520 --> 02:00:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if they're think were the r

2398
02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:36,520
Speaker 2: n C.

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Speaker 10: The yep, tear gas and masks. Well, thank you, Emmanuel,

2400
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:51,760
Speaker 10: nice to meet you. Yeah, yep, tear gas and masks

2401
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:56,600
Speaker 10: and starting to feel like Portland again. And yeah, I

2402
02:00:56,920 --> 02:00:59,120
Speaker 10: would say that what a manual said is consistent. We

2403
02:00:59,240 --> 02:01:02,120
Speaker 10: talked to two other people who had witnessed the shooting,

2404
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:03,880
Speaker 10: and then a couple other people who had been close by,

2405
02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:06,600
Speaker 10: and they all agreed with the gist of what Emmanuel

2406
02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:07,040
Speaker 10: had said.

2407
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:10,440
Speaker 6: Well, Manuel told you something before he started recording there

2408
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:13,560
Speaker 6: about how like they felt this was like a very

2409
02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:17,200
Speaker 6: very solvable problem. Yeah, for like the community, like this

2410
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:20,040
Speaker 6: is just like an average fight that they could they

2411
02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:22,880
Speaker 6: could have ended themselves. Yeah, and you know, in the

2412
02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:25,520
Speaker 6: next hour these people would have been friends again. Yeah,

2413
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:28,440
Speaker 6: And instead police from out of state showed up and

2414
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:29,240
Speaker 6: just started shooting.

2415
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:32,200
Speaker 2: And that is what the initial thing we heard through

2416
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:36,120
Speaker 2: our you know, coworker who was talking to law enforcement

2417
02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:39,240
Speaker 2: was a man had had a knife or knives was

2418
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:42,080
Speaker 2: brandishing them. Police told him to drop, he didn't and

2419
02:01:42,120 --> 02:01:46,360
Speaker 2: they had to shoot him. Locals on scenes said police

2420
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:49,000
Speaker 2: did not tell him to drop anything, ran up and

2421
02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:52,400
Speaker 2: just started shooting. And as you heard from Manual, his

2422
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 2: experience at the event was that police then turned their

2423
02:01:55,120 --> 02:01:58,600
Speaker 2: guns on the crowd, and you know, he felt threatened

2424
02:01:58,720 --> 02:02:01,440
Speaker 2: deeply by this. For reasons that Abous and I will

2425
02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:04,000
Speaker 2: say that everyone we talked to in the neighborhood had

2426
02:02:04,040 --> 02:02:07,880
Speaker 2: broadly consistent stories. This was not a serious fight, This

2427
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:10,760
Speaker 2: was not a thing that would have escalated to lethal

2428
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:13,840
Speaker 2: violence in the normal course of human events. But a

2429
02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:16,720
Speaker 2: huge number of out of state cops rolled up to

2430
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:21,560
Speaker 2: the altercation unnecessarily and drew their guns and started shooting.

2431
02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:26,000
Speaker 6: So there was a fairly nice homeless encampment. They had

2432
02:02:26,000 --> 02:02:28,880
Speaker 6: a wonderful community garden, really nice garden, just like a

2433
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:32,280
Speaker 6: block away, and we figured, oh, this, this guy might

2434
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:35,440
Speaker 6: might have been houseless, and we started to talk to

2435
02:02:35,480 --> 02:02:38,280
Speaker 6: more people who knew him, and yes, we found out

2436
02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:40,760
Speaker 6: we actually walked right past his tent on the way

2437
02:02:41,120 --> 02:02:43,240
Speaker 6: to the shooting. He had he had a tent by

2438
02:02:43,320 --> 02:02:46,200
Speaker 6: himself in this little alleyway. I guess, Robert, you talked

2439
02:02:46,200 --> 02:02:48,520
Speaker 6: more to that, to that guy that knew him.

2440
02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:50,680
Speaker 2: I talked to a guy who knew him who he

2441
02:02:50,760 --> 02:02:53,640
Speaker 2: said his nickname was Jehovah because he was a Jehovah's witness.

2442
02:02:54,160 --> 02:02:56,240
Speaker 2: The guy who I was speaking to was a Muslim

2443
02:02:56,280 --> 02:02:58,520
Speaker 2: and specifically stated to me, like, you know, I'm a Muslim,

2444
02:02:58,520 --> 02:03:00,480
Speaker 2: He's a Jehovah's witness. But we always got it was

2445
02:03:00,520 --> 02:03:03,200
Speaker 2: a really nice guy. He didn't deserve this, Like he

2446
02:03:03,280 --> 02:03:05,760
Speaker 2: wasn't a dude who generally caused problems. He was not

2447
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:08,560
Speaker 2: a dangerous person. He was maybe a guy who was

2448
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:10,520
Speaker 2: having a little bit of a heated moment with another dude.

2449
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:12,200
Speaker 2: And again there happened to be a bunch of out

2450
02:03:12,200 --> 02:03:15,040
Speaker 2: of state cops who decided to make it everyone's problem.

2451
02:03:15,400 --> 02:03:18,000
Speaker 2: That was his attitude. And a couple of things were

2452
02:03:18,040 --> 02:03:19,520
Speaker 2: notewhere they I mean, we talked to a woman who

2453
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:21,400
Speaker 2: was kind of dropping her daughter off at work who

2454
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:23,760
Speaker 2: lived nearby. This is a lady who lived in a

2455
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:26,160
Speaker 2: little bit nicer of a neighborhood. She wasn't quite there,

2456
02:03:26,200 --> 02:03:29,560
Speaker 2: an older black woman who was like, you know, the

2457
02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:32,800
Speaker 2: cops show up to do this, but there's no cops.

2458
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:34,920
Speaker 2: Like if this had been any other time of the year,

2459
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:36,920
Speaker 2: there would have been no cops in this neighborhood ever

2460
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:40,240
Speaker 2: at all. Like they're never around when anybody wants them

2461
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:42,160
Speaker 2: to be. But they show up to kill a guy

2462
02:03:42,280 --> 02:03:44,560
Speaker 2: because the RNC is in town. And that was very

2463
02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:48,520
Speaker 2: much the consistent response we got from everyone in the neighborhood.

2464
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:50,840
Speaker 2: You know, we stayed there a while. Yeah, that's what happened.

2465
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:53,120
Speaker 2: One of the things that I couldn't not notice is

2466
02:03:53,400 --> 02:03:56,360
Speaker 2: once we were down in the RNC, you know, earlier

2467
02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:59,760
Speaker 2: in the day, very cool, a lot of shade, tall buildings.

2468
02:04:00,280 --> 02:04:05,800
Speaker 2: When we were in that neighborhood near a fourteenth and Boulette.

2469
02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:08,560
Speaker 6: Right outside the Martin Luther King Junior Community Center.

2470
02:04:08,640 --> 02:04:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, sun was beating down us. There was very little cover,

2471
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:15,760
Speaker 2: it was very hot. The streets were notably poor repair.

2472
02:04:16,240 --> 02:04:19,200
Speaker 2: The buildings were in a lot poorer repair, but there

2473
02:04:19,280 --> 02:04:22,680
Speaker 2: was actually also evidence of like street life like here,

2474
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:27,120
Speaker 2: the RNC is all of downtown Milwaukee has been sanitized, right.

2475
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:29,560
Speaker 6: They swept encampment's close to the R and C perimeter

2476
02:04:29,640 --> 02:04:32,280
Speaker 6: and stuff. People have had to move around, and no one.

2477
02:04:32,160 --> 02:04:35,000
Speaker 2: You encounter lives here right not during the event. That's

2478
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:36,520
Speaker 2: just the way that it goes. A lot of the

2479
02:04:36,520 --> 02:04:39,000
Speaker 2: local buildings are shut down. And one of the things

2480
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:41,240
Speaker 2: that was interesting about this was the degree to which

2481
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:43,880
Speaker 2: all of these people in the most deprived neighborhood Milwaukee

2482
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:47,240
Speaker 2: had a really clear understanding of what had happened near

2483
02:04:47,320 --> 02:04:50,160
Speaker 2: and around them and knew each other. And we're talking.

2484
02:04:50,240 --> 02:04:51,800
Speaker 2: There were a couple of people we saw who were

2485
02:04:51,880 --> 02:04:54,120
Speaker 2: going around different chunks within a block or two of

2486
02:04:54,160 --> 02:04:57,920
Speaker 2: each other and clearly knew all of their neighbors, which

2487
02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:00,480
Speaker 2: was very different from kind of the vibe that we've

2488
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:03,800
Speaker 2: gotten Downtown Milwaukee is as nice as it is, and

2489
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:05,440
Speaker 2: I think we've all really enjoyed the city. One of

2490
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:07,800
Speaker 2: the most segregated cities in the country, and that was

2491
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:11,400
Speaker 2: very clear because I think there was one white person

2492
02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:13,360
Speaker 2: who was a resident of the neighborhood that we talked to,

2493
02:05:13,400 --> 02:05:16,160
Speaker 2: that woman who was next to the guy who knew Jehovah.

2494
02:05:16,640 --> 02:05:20,320
Speaker 2: And I guess that's most of what I have to say. Yeah,

2495
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:22,080
Speaker 2: I mean, more and more place kept showing up.

2496
02:05:22,120 --> 02:05:24,880
Speaker 6: There was this basically like a riot squad with mace

2497
02:05:24,960 --> 02:05:28,160
Speaker 6: and gas masks showed up. You know, there was biite cops,

2498
02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:31,240
Speaker 6: mounted patrol cops. They just they started to flood this area.

2499
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:34,800
Speaker 6: Eventually they slowly kind of you know, dispersed out as

2500
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:37,120
Speaker 6: this scene got more under control and they realized there

2501
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:40,240
Speaker 6: probably wasn't going to be a huge protest at this location.

2502
02:05:40,360 --> 02:05:43,080
Speaker 6: I believe there's gonna be a vigil tonight, yeah, at

2503
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:46,040
Speaker 6: eight pm, near the side of the shooting. So yeah,

2504
02:05:46,080 --> 02:05:48,800
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just tough to go from the RNC

2505
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:52,600
Speaker 6: with you know, massive police presence all of these extremely wealthy,

2506
02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:57,400
Speaker 6: rich white Republicans and then be reminded the real people

2507
02:05:57,640 --> 02:06:01,240
Speaker 6: exist and put events like this people get killed by

2508
02:06:01,240 --> 02:06:04,000
Speaker 6: police to make sure that that that people feel comfortable, ye,

2509
02:06:04,160 --> 02:06:07,280
Speaker 6: going to these sorts of events and just completely unnecessarily. Yeah,

2510
02:06:07,320 --> 02:06:10,000
Speaker 6: and that's that's just a good, a good, a good

2511
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:12,440
Speaker 6: reminder every time I walk through one of these police checkpoints.

2512
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Donald Donald Trump, you know, survived his brush with

2513
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:20,960
Speaker 2: the shooting. This young man didn't, and he died because

2514
02:06:21,160 --> 02:06:23,600
Speaker 2: this event was set up in his town. We know

2515
02:06:23,720 --> 02:06:26,919
Speaker 2: that the Secret Service and the you know the other agencies,

2516
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:28,959
Speaker 2: because it wasn't just the Secret Service that was responsible

2517
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:30,360
Speaker 2: for Trump getting shot. There were a lot of other

2518
02:06:30,440 --> 02:06:33,960
Speaker 2: law enforcement agencies there failed at their job, you know,

2519
02:06:34,080 --> 02:06:37,400
Speaker 2: last Saturday, to stop the former president from getting shot.

2520
02:06:37,480 --> 02:06:40,920
Speaker 2: Failed very badly at that. But still at the RNC,

2521
02:06:41,080 --> 02:06:43,520
Speaker 2: the only thing that the Security State knows how to

2522
02:06:43,560 --> 02:06:46,080
Speaker 2: do is flood the zone with cops. And the only

2523
02:06:46,160 --> 02:06:48,400
Speaker 2: thing those cops know how to do is when they

2524
02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:51,640
Speaker 2: encounter anything a little bit hostile, draw their guns and

2525
02:06:51,680 --> 02:06:56,320
Speaker 2: empty them. You know, that was my impression, And uh yeah,

2526
02:06:56,360 --> 02:06:58,120
Speaker 2: I think that's probably all we need to say about

2527
02:06:58,160 --> 02:06:58,840
Speaker 2: that right now.

2528
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:03,200
Speaker 6: Sophie tell us about her experience as me and Robert

2529
02:07:03,240 --> 02:07:06,440
Speaker 6: were walking around this side of this police murder. After

2530
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:14,840
Speaker 6: this short break.

2531
02:07:15,880 --> 02:07:20,120
Speaker 7: And we're back, Well, my colleagues were out on the ground,

2532
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:25,040
Speaker 7: I went to a super super fun event called Giving

2533
02:07:25,080 --> 02:07:29,520
Speaker 7: the Americans a Voice town hall hosted by the Moms

2534
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:34,040
Speaker 7: for Liberty. It was interesting, to say the least. It

2535
02:07:34,120 --> 02:07:39,160
Speaker 7: was a three hour event with various long event very long,

2536
02:07:40,280 --> 02:07:42,680
Speaker 7: and I recorded all of it so we can put

2537
02:07:42,720 --> 02:07:44,360
Speaker 7: that out at a later date. Let me just give

2538
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:47,920
Speaker 7: you a quick a quick rundown of what the event was.

2539
02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:51,240
Speaker 6: And Moms for Liberty is like a like a lobbying

2540
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:53,200
Speaker 6: group for parental rights.

2541
02:07:53,280 --> 02:07:55,240
Speaker 2: Very supportive of banning books.

2542
02:07:55,160 --> 02:07:57,520
Speaker 6: Banning books, parental rights, a lot of stuff around education

2543
02:07:57,600 --> 02:08:01,040
Speaker 6: in school. They they're very active in Washington. They're the

2544
02:08:01,040 --> 02:08:03,480
Speaker 6: sponsor of a lot of these really really like horrible

2545
02:08:03,520 --> 02:08:08,240
Speaker 6: bills about limiting information to children, limiting the rights of children,

2546
02:08:08,360 --> 02:08:08,960
Speaker 6: that sort of thing.

2547
02:08:09,120 --> 02:08:14,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, And additional sponsors for this event where Conservative Partnership Institute, Heritage.

2548
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:16,879
Speaker 6: Characterge Foundation, authors of Project twenty twenty five.

2549
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:19,280
Speaker 7: Young America's. I can't even read this logo.

2550
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:22,920
Speaker 6: It's like the Young Republicans Voting Association.

2551
02:08:22,720 --> 02:08:24,520
Speaker 7: Young Americans Foundation.

2552
02:08:24,920 --> 02:08:26,120
Speaker 2: We did it, great job.

2553
02:08:26,200 --> 02:08:30,600
Speaker 7: And Public Square, which is a very strange app and

2554
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:33,120
Speaker 7: there were three panels and some of the people that

2555
02:08:33,160 --> 02:08:37,400
Speaker 7: were featured on the panel were Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida.

2556
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:39,040
Speaker 2: Sarah Huckabee Sanders made an appearance.

2557
02:08:39,080 --> 02:08:42,880
Speaker 7: Governor Sarah Huckabye Sanders, Scott Walker, the governor of Wisconsin.

2558
02:08:43,160 --> 02:08:44,640
Speaker 6: The governor of Wisconsin was there.

2559
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:48,040
Speaker 7: He opened the governor, the Governor of Wisconsin was there.

2560
02:08:48,160 --> 02:08:48,919
Speaker 2: That's upsetting.

2561
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:50,760
Speaker 7: He was like one of the first people who.

2562
02:08:50,640 --> 02:08:52,880
Speaker 6: Spoke, not a Senator to the actual governor, the.

2563
02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:57,520
Speaker 7: Forty fifth governor Wisconsin, Scott Walker, Yes, correct, various groups

2564
02:08:57,560 --> 02:09:02,839
Speaker 7: of attorneys general and get the Senator Oswell Ron Johnson

2565
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:07,240
Speaker 7: of Wisconsin, and it was it was it was a

2566
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:08,200
Speaker 7: strange event.

2567
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:10,320
Speaker 2: What sort of things do they talk about?

2568
02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:15,080
Speaker 7: Well, they started off with them giving an excuse that

2569
02:09:15,200 --> 02:09:18,120
Speaker 7: the reason why that there was an attempted assassination on

2570
02:09:18,200 --> 02:09:21,520
Speaker 7: former President Trump was because of the media falselely compare

2571
02:09:21,600 --> 02:09:24,000
Speaker 7: hip to Hitler, to which they said, there is only

2572
02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:24,960
Speaker 7: one Hitler.

2573
02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:28,200
Speaker 2: There's actually been quite a few Hitlers, although there's less.

2574
02:09:27,960 --> 02:09:30,120
Speaker 6: Now also, I would I would like for them to

2575
02:09:30,120 --> 02:09:31,360
Speaker 6: feel that question to jd.

2576
02:09:31,480 --> 02:09:34,640
Speaker 2: Vance. But anyway, yes, fair enough.

2577
02:09:34,680 --> 02:09:36,520
Speaker 7: And then there was, you know, as there are at

2578
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:39,800
Speaker 7: most of these events, there was a prayer and I

2579
02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:42,080
Speaker 7: just thought it was super interesting that the person giving

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02:09:42,080 --> 02:09:45,240
Speaker 7: the prayer referred to the panelists and various speakers as

2581
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:50,080
Speaker 7: great actors, which was just like an interesting word choice

2582
02:09:50,080 --> 02:09:50,280
Speaker 7: to me.

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02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:56,040
Speaker 6: Extensively, like political actors, I would assume. But there's interesting associations.

2584
02:09:55,440 --> 02:09:57,640
Speaker 7: And like one of the one of the main things

2585
02:09:57,640 --> 02:10:00,760
Speaker 7: that they talked about this event was education, and they

2586
02:10:01,120 --> 02:10:03,200
Speaker 7: said their biggest issue that they have in the United

2587
02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:05,920
Speaker 7: States is the creation of the federal Department of Education

2588
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:09,080
Speaker 7: and that they were going to change that, which got huge,

2589
02:10:09,680 --> 02:10:12,160
Speaker 7: huge cheers from the crowd. They claim that one of

2590
02:10:12,200 --> 02:10:16,120
Speaker 7: the reasons why the young man had attempted to assassinate

2591
02:10:16,200 --> 02:10:19,160
Speaker 7: Donald Trump was because he had gone to a large school.

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02:10:20,200 --> 02:10:23,040
Speaker 2: They are very anti large school why.

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02:10:22,840 --> 02:10:26,280
Speaker 7: Not, and that was one of the main reasons, as

2594
02:10:26,360 --> 02:10:30,520
Speaker 7: well as the media referring to foreign President Trump as hitler.

2595
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:35,600
Speaker 7: They were adamant that teachers unions do not protect kids

2596
02:10:35,640 --> 02:10:37,480
Speaker 7: and that they are only out for themselves, and that

2597
02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:40,040
Speaker 7: all teachers' unions have been infiltrated by the left.

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02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:43,360
Speaker 6: Well that part is kind of drown yeah, but no,

2599
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:46,480
Speaker 6: I mean attacks on teachers unions are I've seen those

2600
02:10:46,520 --> 02:10:49,040
Speaker 6: more in the past four years among a lot of

2601
02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:53,000
Speaker 6: either like right wing influencers or actual politicians. The teachers

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02:10:53,120 --> 02:10:56,080
Speaker 6: unions is a very good boogeyman. Yeah, because some people,

2603
02:10:56,120 --> 02:10:58,880
Speaker 6: you know, like their individual teachers. But no, no, no, the

2604
02:10:58,920 --> 02:11:00,440
Speaker 6: real problem is that teachers union.

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02:11:00,720 --> 02:11:04,920
Speaker 7: Yes, that actual distinction was brought up multiple times. There

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02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:07,920
Speaker 7: you go, there you go, And at one point somebody

2607
02:11:07,960 --> 02:11:10,240
Speaker 7: in the back of the room dropped their phone. But

2608
02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:13,080
Speaker 7: it was very loud and unsettling noise to the point

2609
02:11:13,080 --> 02:11:15,080
Speaker 7: where everybody thought that it might have been a gun,

2610
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:20,520
Speaker 7: and everyone kind of understandably so jumped up and around.

2611
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:25,680
Speaker 2: Oh they're scared of guns. Huh. The Republicans really fucking babies.

2612
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:30,560
Speaker 7: And the overall energy is that they ate the federal government.

2613
02:11:30,600 --> 02:11:33,400
Speaker 7: They want things to go back to a local level,

2614
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:37,600
Speaker 7: and that the Left is ruining and grooming children. Lots

2615
02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:41,040
Speaker 7: of weird as you can imagine, stuff about gender, lots

2616
02:11:41,080 --> 02:11:41,680
Speaker 7: of stuff.

2617
02:11:41,400 --> 02:11:45,360
Speaker 2: About consistent some of the biggest, biggest applause.

2618
02:11:45,440 --> 02:11:46,960
Speaker 6: Oh, something to note here.

2619
02:11:47,400 --> 02:11:50,520
Speaker 7: Anytime Elon Musk was brought up, which was quite a bit,

2620
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:56,320
Speaker 7: the crowd went bat shit. Yeah, huge wild cheers for

2621
02:11:56,960 --> 02:12:01,640
Speaker 7: anything to do with Elon, which I thought was, you know,

2622
02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:05,520
Speaker 7: not unexpected, but just that, like, he got louder cheers

2623
02:12:05,640 --> 02:12:08,160
Speaker 7: than I think he got a louder cheer than when

2624
02:12:08,200 --> 02:12:09,400
Speaker 7: they brought up Donald Trump.

2625
02:12:09,600 --> 02:12:12,360
Speaker 6: He's really one of their new gray heroes. What did

2626
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:14,000
Speaker 6: the Attorney's General talk about?

2627
02:12:14,640 --> 02:12:18,360
Speaker 7: They were mostly talking about different winds they had had

2628
02:12:18,640 --> 02:12:20,880
Speaker 7: in terms of like their states and things they were

2629
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:25,200
Speaker 7: bringing the table, and mostly like personal stories of like

2630
02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:28,919
Speaker 7: things that they look for in their family. The Missouri

2631
02:12:29,120 --> 02:12:33,440
Speaker 7: Attorney General Andrew Bailey. His biggest reaction from the crowd

2632
02:12:33,640 --> 02:12:37,080
Speaker 7: was when he said in Missouri, we don't co parent

2633
02:12:37,160 --> 02:12:41,160
Speaker 7: with the government, and sure the crowd loved that.

2634
02:12:41,440 --> 02:12:43,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean this is a big, big, big rental

2635
02:12:43,680 --> 02:12:46,520
Speaker 6: rights group, And yeah, I'm interested in the attorney general

2636
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:49,920
Speaker 6: because back in twenty twenty three, the attorney's generals from

2637
02:12:49,960 --> 02:12:53,760
Speaker 6: Alan these red states drafted this this very angry, kind

2638
02:12:53,800 --> 02:12:57,440
Speaker 6: of threatening letter to Target, kind of demanding that because

2639
02:12:57,480 --> 02:12:59,360
Speaker 6: some of their states own like an interest in Target,

2640
02:12:59,600 --> 02:13:02,600
Speaker 6: they have to remove any kind of any products that

2641
02:13:02,640 --> 02:13:07,320
Speaker 6: cater to trans people because this is betraying the investors

2642
02:13:07,320 --> 02:13:10,360
Speaker 6: by making this poor economic decision. And really, the attorney's

2643
02:13:10,360 --> 02:13:13,120
Speaker 6: general have been one of the strongest forces against trans

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02:13:13,200 --> 02:13:15,160
Speaker 6: rights in a lot of these states. And I believe

2645
02:13:15,200 --> 02:13:17,400
Speaker 6: because I I showed up near the end of the

2646
02:13:17,440 --> 02:13:21,080
Speaker 6: attorney general's segment, I believe they referred to themselves as

2647
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:23,080
Speaker 6: like the last line of defense. Even if you have

2648
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:26,000
Speaker 6: like a Democrat, you know, like mayor, or you know

2649
02:13:26,040 --> 02:13:28,240
Speaker 6: you have more Democrat officials in like your city or state,

2650
02:13:28,640 --> 02:13:31,240
Speaker 6: the attorneys generals are are like the ones that are

2651
02:13:31,240 --> 02:13:33,240
Speaker 6: going to hold it down, even if the rest have

2652
02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:35,760
Speaker 6: kind of sold out or are liberals, Democrats.

2653
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:38,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say the AGS were the most transphobic

2654
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:43,919
Speaker 7: of the bunch, if I was doing ranking Santas.

2655
02:13:44,000 --> 02:13:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2656
02:13:44,600 --> 02:13:47,120
Speaker 7: One of them said, you know, in a laughing way,

2657
02:13:47,120 --> 02:13:50,080
Speaker 7: which again got a great reaction from the crowd. Think

2658
02:13:50,120 --> 02:13:53,080
Speaker 7: about a kindergartener saying what's your pronoun?

2659
02:13:53,720 --> 02:13:55,160
Speaker 2: Very very funny ha ha ha ha.

2660
02:13:55,520 --> 02:13:59,440
Speaker 7: They were laughing and hahaha about that. Yes, And just

2661
02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:02,160
Speaker 7: the last I say about the AGS was that that

2662
02:14:02,240 --> 02:14:06,040
Speaker 7: same ag from Missouri said our rights come from God,

2663
02:14:06,360 --> 02:14:07,320
Speaker 7: not man.

2664
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:08,959
Speaker 2: And famously in the Constitution.

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02:14:09,120 --> 02:14:13,200
Speaker 7: Yes, anyways, and then DeSantis and Sarah Hackeby Sanders closed

2666
02:14:13,200 --> 02:14:13,800
Speaker 7: it out.

2667
02:14:13,640 --> 02:14:14,720
Speaker 2: Which we arrived for.

2668
02:14:14,760 --> 02:14:17,400
Speaker 6: We arrived just in time to see DeSantis, thank god,

2669
02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:21,960
Speaker 6: Oh meatball. Ron Dessentis and Huckeby Sanders got to be

2670
02:14:22,040 --> 02:14:25,560
Speaker 6: the two most uncharismatic speakers I've seen at the convention

2671
02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:26,080
Speaker 6: so far.

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02:14:26,200 --> 02:14:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised they were both shunted off to the

2673
02:14:29,200 --> 02:14:30,960
Speaker 2: I would call it the shame callus.

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02:14:31,240 --> 02:14:35,040
Speaker 6: So DeSantis was wearing jeans, which is just a fascinating move,

2675
02:14:35,160 --> 02:14:36,440
Speaker 6: but these were very warm.

2676
02:14:36,440 --> 02:14:39,640
Speaker 7: Very warned, and essentially when he got up, he basically

2677
02:14:39,680 --> 02:14:41,920
Speaker 7: did like a brag list of all the things that

2678
02:14:41,960 --> 02:14:43,760
Speaker 7: he has gotten done in.

2679
02:14:43,680 --> 02:14:46,560
Speaker 6: Florida, talking about, you know, taking the fight to Disney,

2680
02:14:47,200 --> 02:14:50,440
Speaker 6: enacting universal school choice, making sure that there's no sex

2681
02:14:50,520 --> 02:14:51,440
Speaker 6: at in his schools.

2682
02:14:51,560 --> 02:14:52,040
Speaker 2: Very cool.

2683
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:57,080
Speaker 6: And then uh, he talked oddly enough a lot about college.

2684
02:14:56,800 --> 02:14:58,560
Speaker 7: University is correct, Yes.

2685
02:14:59,240 --> 02:15:00,920
Speaker 6: He was. He was talking about how like, even if

2686
02:15:00,960 --> 02:15:04,280
Speaker 6: you raise your kid, right, even if we fix you know, public.

2687
02:15:03,960 --> 02:15:06,240
Speaker 2: Schools, put in eighteen hard years.

2688
02:15:06,240 --> 02:15:08,480
Speaker 6: He spent eighteen years raising your kid, you do it right,

2689
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:10,000
Speaker 6: we fix all of the public schools.

2690
02:15:10,040 --> 02:15:10,720
Speaker 2: Everything's good.

2691
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:12,960
Speaker 6: As soon as they turn eighteen, they're gonna go after

2692
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:15,080
Speaker 6: one of these liberal colleges and they're gonna undo all

2693
02:15:15,120 --> 02:15:17,000
Speaker 6: of the good work that you've put in. And that

2694
02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:18,520
Speaker 6: needs to be the next thing to stop. And he

2695
02:15:18,560 --> 02:15:20,600
Speaker 6: said that Florida is the first state to take on

2696
02:15:20,760 --> 02:15:23,360
Speaker 6: higher education. We've had a lot of focus on lower education.

2697
02:15:23,560 --> 02:15:26,160
Speaker 6: We now we have to take on higher education, including

2698
02:15:26,480 --> 02:15:29,640
Speaker 6: doing like performance reviews for ten good professors every five years,

2699
02:15:29,680 --> 02:15:32,320
Speaker 6: in which case they can be fired for poor performance,

2700
02:15:32,520 --> 02:15:34,879
Speaker 6: which is kind of a wild concept for a Tenian professor.

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02:15:35,040 --> 02:15:37,400
Speaker 7: He also had a one off wild line where he

2702
02:15:37,560 --> 02:15:41,560
Speaker 7: was like, you did see hamas over on our universities.

2703
02:15:41,680 --> 02:15:47,000
Speaker 6: Yes, he referred to Palestinating human rights campus protesters as Hamas,

2704
02:15:46,840 --> 02:15:49,600
Speaker 6: just saying that they are Hamas. Like he didn't like say,

2705
02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:52,200
Speaker 6: these people are like Hamas. You just said when Hamas

2706
02:15:52,280 --> 02:15:55,360
Speaker 6: was coming to the universities, they didn't show up in Florida.

2707
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:57,600
Speaker 2: Which is a very standard Republican line, it is.

2708
02:15:57,840 --> 02:16:00,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, and like, there's just no difference between between someone

2709
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:03,280
Speaker 6: showing up to a protest in the United States because

2710
02:16:03,280 --> 02:16:06,240
Speaker 6: they don't like that thousands and thousands of Palestinians are

2711
02:16:06,240 --> 02:16:09,960
Speaker 6: being murdered, and that person is now indistinguishable from Hamas

2712
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:14,280
Speaker 6: according to the Republican Party, according to all of these speakers. Yeah,

2713
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:18,000
Speaker 6: and so Sarah Sanders just tried to kind of write

2714
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:20,720
Speaker 6: on the coattails of disantist being like, hey, we're also

2715
02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:22,280
Speaker 6: planning the transgenders.

2716
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:23,160
Speaker 2: She did the.

2717
02:16:23,120 --> 02:16:27,080
Speaker 7: Same show listed you know some of her brags mentioned

2718
02:16:27,120 --> 02:16:29,640
Speaker 7: it always has to do she talks about her dad.

2719
02:16:30,200 --> 02:16:32,160
Speaker 7: I wrote John subsic she said, because I was like,

2720
02:16:33,440 --> 02:16:36,640
Speaker 7: she said, the only war on women is on conservative

2721
02:16:36,640 --> 02:16:39,640
Speaker 7: women from the far left. Where are the feminists? They

2722
02:16:39,680 --> 02:16:41,200
Speaker 7: can't even tell you what a woman is.

2723
02:16:42,440 --> 02:16:45,680
Speaker 6: Well, someone who's famously taken a woman's studies course, where

2724
02:16:45,680 --> 02:16:49,199
Speaker 6: they never define what a woman is totally. I guess

2725
02:16:49,320 --> 02:16:51,720
Speaker 6: the main upsetting thing for me because the police just

2726
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:53,800
Speaker 6: killed a black man a few hours ago. I was

2727
02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:56,959
Speaker 6: just reminded, you know, there's so many real people in Milwaukee, right.

2728
02:16:56,959 --> 02:16:58,640
Speaker 6: All the food service workers have been very nice, but

2729
02:16:58,640 --> 02:17:01,080
Speaker 6: there's all these real people facing realists use in the

2730
02:17:01,080 --> 02:17:04,560
Speaker 6: poorest part of Milwaukee. And we just saw someone whose

2731
02:17:04,600 --> 02:17:06,920
Speaker 6: life was ended because police were here for the RNC

2732
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:10,920
Speaker 6: from a totally different state, and people with real economic concerns,

2733
02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:14,080
Speaker 6: real concerns about you know, their life from police brutality,

2734
02:17:14,120 --> 02:17:15,720
Speaker 6: all this type of stuff. And as soon as you

2735
02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:18,400
Speaker 6: walked into this Mom's for Liberty panel, the first thing

2736
02:17:18,440 --> 02:17:20,760
Speaker 6: we heard them complaining about was that they were being

2737
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:23,320
Speaker 6: censored on Twitter, yep, and that that was their concern.

2738
02:17:23,440 --> 02:17:24,760
Speaker 2: Joe Biden censored us.

2739
02:17:24,840 --> 02:17:28,000
Speaker 6: Their hardest thing to them was that they find all

2740
02:17:28,040 --> 02:17:30,119
Speaker 6: this gender stuff a little bit icky and that we're

2741
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:32,480
Speaker 6: being censored on Twitter. And that is the level of

2742
02:17:32,480 --> 02:17:33,720
Speaker 6: problems that these people are dealing well.

2743
02:17:33,720 --> 02:17:36,840
Speaker 2: And our kids didn't turn into the people we wanted

2744
02:17:36,879 --> 02:17:40,080
Speaker 2: them to. Yeah, and that should be the entire country's problem.

2745
02:17:40,879 --> 02:17:45,360
Speaker 2: They are not fundamentally, they don't have real problems. These people,

2746
02:17:46,240 --> 02:17:50,120
Speaker 2: they don't have real problems, but they are unhappy that

2747
02:17:50,200 --> 02:17:53,680
Speaker 2: everyone in the world does not inherently act to serve

2748
02:17:53,720 --> 02:17:56,640
Speaker 2: and validate them. And they are going to make that

2749
02:17:56,720 --> 02:18:00,360
Speaker 2: everyone's promise. You know. That is what the RNC is. Yeah.

2750
02:18:00,480 --> 02:18:03,000
Speaker 2: The people on the floor are what you would call

2751
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:08,040
Speaker 2: like successful used car dealers, like level of capitalist, right,

2752
02:18:08,400 --> 02:18:11,959
Speaker 2: and they are worshiping an alliance of venture capitalists, guys

2753
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:14,360
Speaker 2: like the VEC, guys like JD. Vance, and of course

2754
02:18:14,640 --> 02:18:18,400
Speaker 2: people who inherited a shitload of wealth and then eventually

2755
02:18:18,480 --> 02:18:22,840
Speaker 2: succeeded in making money through a combination of vice casinos

2756
02:18:22,959 --> 02:18:26,560
Speaker 2: and the entertainment industry. Trump, you know, like that's that's

2757
02:18:26,600 --> 02:18:27,240
Speaker 2: who this is.

2758
02:18:27,400 --> 02:18:30,480
Speaker 7: And uh, speaking of a VIC. As we were getting

2759
02:18:30,560 --> 02:18:32,959
Speaker 7: up to leave, they quickly announced that there was one

2760
02:18:32,959 --> 02:18:35,040
Speaker 7: more person who was going to speak, and it was him.

2761
02:18:35,480 --> 02:18:37,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, he sure did speak. He gave a speech that

2762
02:18:37,600 --> 02:18:41,160
Speaker 6: I would say was indistinguishable from AI. Yes, just about

2763
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:43,680
Speaker 6: how how good America can be and even though we're

2764
02:18:43,680 --> 02:18:45,840
Speaker 6: in a tough gpt that even though we're in a

2765
02:18:45,879 --> 02:18:48,280
Speaker 6: tough spot right now, I feel like America can do better.

2766
02:18:48,320 --> 02:18:50,640
Speaker 6: And it was just it was like I could predict

2767
02:18:50,680 --> 02:18:51,320
Speaker 6: every other word.

2768
02:18:51,440 --> 02:18:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2769
02:18:52,280 --> 02:18:55,240
Speaker 6: Hey, this is Gear recording just outside of the main

2770
02:18:55,280 --> 02:18:58,240
Speaker 6: arena at the RNC where Governor Greg Abat just gave

2771
02:18:58,240 --> 02:19:00,400
Speaker 6: a speech. And now I'm giving you a short speech

2772
02:19:00,600 --> 02:19:04,120
Speaker 6: to tell you to enjoy these messages from our sponsors.

2773
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:05,000
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2774
02:19:13,080 --> 02:19:14,040
Speaker 2: This is Robert M.

2775
02:19:14,080 --> 02:19:17,120
Speaker 6: Garrison recording from our hotel room later in the night,

2776
02:19:17,160 --> 02:19:19,880
Speaker 6: because we have learned some new information about the police

2777
02:19:19,920 --> 02:19:22,920
Speaker 6: killing that happened earlier today, and also we listened to

2778
02:19:22,959 --> 02:19:26,200
Speaker 6: a whole bunch of the RNC closing speeches tonight which

2779
02:19:26,280 --> 02:19:29,600
Speaker 6: kind of relate to this question of police violence. I'll

2780
02:19:29,640 --> 02:19:30,560
Speaker 6: hand this off to Robert.

2781
02:19:30,800 --> 02:19:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, so since we were down there, the

2782
02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:37,920
Speaker 2: police have released both their security camera footage body camera footage,

2783
02:19:38,040 --> 02:19:40,520
Speaker 2: and we have the name of the decedent, who was

2784
02:19:40,680 --> 02:19:43,360
Speaker 2: Samuel Sharp Junior. This is the guy everyone in the

2785
02:19:43,360 --> 02:19:45,720
Speaker 2: neighborhood identified as Jehovah, and that was the nickname that

2786
02:19:45,760 --> 02:19:48,360
Speaker 2: he went by. He looked younger. I've seen some reports

2787
02:19:48,400 --> 02:19:49,959
Speaker 2: that he was like forty three, but he doesn't look

2788
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:52,280
Speaker 2: forty three from the footage, you know. And he had

2789
02:19:52,320 --> 02:19:54,560
Speaker 2: just he had used a community shower earlier that day

2790
02:19:54,600 --> 02:19:57,119
Speaker 2: that comes by the neighborhood for some of the homeless folks,

2791
02:19:57,160 --> 02:20:01,480
Speaker 2: and you know, told everyone he loved them. Footage is

2792
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Speaker 2: I understand like exactly how it's going to be used

2793
02:20:04,720 --> 02:20:06,560
Speaker 2: and already as being used by the police, and I

2794
02:20:06,680 --> 02:20:09,080
Speaker 2: understand what they're saying, which is that if you look

2795
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:12,280
Speaker 2: at the footage, is they rush on scene, I think

2796
02:20:12,280 --> 02:20:14,640
Speaker 2: about fifteen of them. Five of them fired at once

2797
02:20:15,240 --> 02:20:18,560
Speaker 2: and immediately open fire. You can see from a distance

2798
02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:21,879
Speaker 2: the two guys are five to seven feet apart and

2799
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:24,400
Speaker 2: are kind of crossing the street together while it looks

2800
02:20:24,400 --> 02:20:28,039
Speaker 2: like they are yelling. As the police rush in, Samuel

2801
02:20:28,360 --> 02:20:31,440
Speaker 2: runs forward, and if you clip frames out of the video,

2802
02:20:31,959 --> 02:20:33,720
Speaker 2: you can make a case that he was charging the

2803
02:20:33,760 --> 02:20:37,240
Speaker 2: guy with his knife or knives. Police are saying multiple

2804
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:38,920
Speaker 2: It's a little unclear to me in the footage if

2805
02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:42,400
Speaker 2: he had two or just one. But I can see

2806
02:20:42,400 --> 02:20:46,440
Speaker 2: how the police showing up on scene, being trained the

2807
02:20:46,480 --> 02:20:49,360
Speaker 2: way that they are, why they open fire. The problem

2808
02:20:49,400 --> 02:20:52,000
Speaker 2: is that he ran forward in the first place, because

2809
02:20:52,040 --> 02:20:55,000
Speaker 2: they rushed in, like these two guys were squared up

2810
02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:57,440
Speaker 2: on the street and not in an encounter that any

2811
02:20:57,480 --> 02:21:01,440
Speaker 2: of the locals considered to be particular literally threatening. If

2812
02:21:01,480 --> 02:21:03,640
Speaker 2: you have spent a lot of time around homeless encampments,

2813
02:21:03,640 --> 02:21:05,680
Speaker 2: if you have spent a lot of time in neighborhoods

2814
02:21:05,720 --> 02:21:08,400
Speaker 2: that have a lot of homeless residence, it is not

2815
02:21:08,640 --> 02:21:12,280
Speaker 2: wild or uncommon to see people yelling and to see

2816
02:21:12,320 --> 02:21:15,080
Speaker 2: people with knives on their person, you know, even in

2817
02:21:15,120 --> 02:21:18,760
Speaker 2: their hands. Obviously, that can be upsetting to some people.

2818
02:21:18,879 --> 02:21:21,360
Speaker 2: But like the folks who lived in the neighborhood did

2819
02:21:21,400 --> 02:21:25,080
Speaker 2: not consider this an odd circumstance. And with something that,

2820
02:21:25,160 --> 02:21:27,600
Speaker 2: in the normal circumstance of events and the normal following

2821
02:21:27,640 --> 02:21:30,600
Speaker 2: of events, would have been de escalated. And in this case,

2822
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:32,640
Speaker 2: it wasn't the police open fire before there was any

2823
02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:33,840
Speaker 2: attempt at de escalation.

2824
02:21:34,240 --> 02:21:36,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, And like conservatives will always point out, you know,

2825
02:21:36,920 --> 02:21:39,480
Speaker 6: why is he just following orders? Why isn't he just

2826
02:21:39,480 --> 02:21:41,600
Speaker 6: just doing blah blah blah blah blah. They will they

2827
02:21:41,640 --> 02:21:44,120
Speaker 6: will take they'll take low screenshots that make something look

2828
02:21:44,120 --> 02:21:47,160
Speaker 6: a certain way. And the simple fact is that these

2829
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:50,160
Speaker 6: two men were not in any physical altercation before police arrived.

2830
02:21:50,520 --> 02:21:53,320
Speaker 6: He started running away as police started charging towards him,

2831
02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:55,400
Speaker 6: I think it would be very odd that he would

2832
02:21:55,440 --> 02:21:58,640
Speaker 6: choose that moment to suddenly lunge forward and stab this

2833
02:21:58,680 --> 02:22:01,360
Speaker 6: person he knew. And it's very clear that he's actually

2834
02:22:01,360 --> 02:22:04,520
Speaker 6: just running away from police, as people often do. And

2835
02:22:04,680 --> 02:22:07,440
Speaker 6: police have a long history of just shooting at people

2836
02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:09,480
Speaker 6: and killing people who are running away. You can look

2837
02:22:09,480 --> 02:22:11,920
Speaker 6: at what happened at the Wendy's in Atlanta in twenty twenty.

2838
02:22:12,240 --> 02:22:15,039
Speaker 6: They shoot people when they don't follow what they're saying.

2839
02:22:15,040 --> 02:22:18,240
Speaker 6: They shoot people when people try to run away from them, and.

2840
02:22:18,200 --> 02:22:19,360
Speaker 2: That's just how cops work.

2841
02:22:19,760 --> 02:22:22,400
Speaker 6: So this video came out later in the evening, right

2842
02:22:22,440 --> 02:22:25,920
Speaker 6: as me and Robert arrived at the RNC second session.

2843
02:22:26,400 --> 02:22:30,359
Speaker 6: And the theme today for the RNC is make America

2844
02:22:30,440 --> 02:22:33,560
Speaker 6: Safe Again. And some of the first few speeches I heard,

2845
02:22:33,680 --> 02:22:36,760
Speaker 6: one was from the mayor of Dallas, Eric Johnson.

2846
02:22:37,200 --> 02:22:42,800
Speaker 11: Democrats and power demonstrate they don't care about stopping the

2847
02:22:42,920 --> 02:22:47,600
Speaker 11: killers or the thieves who terrorize black and brown communities.

2848
02:22:49,640 --> 02:22:54,560
Speaker 11: They don't care about securing our border, and they don't

2849
02:22:54,680 --> 02:22:57,920
Speaker 11: care about dangerous homeless encampments.

2850
02:22:58,520 --> 02:23:01,520
Speaker 2: And then there was also a police chief who spoke,

2851
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:03,760
Speaker 2: a former police chief who now runs a charity I

2852
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:06,680
Speaker 2: think for like wounded police officers. Yeah, but he's like

2853
02:23:06,720 --> 02:23:09,120
Speaker 2: a cop who is also an activist.

2854
02:23:08,879 --> 02:23:11,480
Speaker 6: And so All this framing is around talking about how

2855
02:23:11,480 --> 02:23:14,000
Speaker 6: the Democrats are the defund the police party, how Joe

2856
02:23:14,040 --> 02:23:17,600
Speaker 6: Biden and Kamala Harris themselves advocate for defunding the police,

2857
02:23:17,640 --> 02:23:19,600
Speaker 6: which is simply not true if you look at what

2858
02:23:19,640 --> 02:23:22,440
Speaker 6: they say. Joe Biden will always reiterate that he always

2859
02:23:22,440 --> 02:23:25,200
Speaker 6: has argued for more police funding, for more police training.

2860
02:23:25,480 --> 02:23:26,959
Speaker 6: But they have framed this issue as there are not

2861
02:23:27,040 --> 02:23:30,760
Speaker 6: enough police around, that's what is making cities dangerous, talking about,

2862
02:23:30,760 --> 02:23:33,720
Speaker 6: you know, all the people dying of violent crime. Not

2863
02:23:33,760 --> 02:23:35,800
Speaker 6: a single mention, of course, that the out of state

2864
02:23:35,840 --> 02:23:39,199
Speaker 6: police just killed someone a mile away from the Republican

2865
02:23:39,240 --> 02:23:44,279
Speaker 6: National Convention. The make America Safe Again rhetoric shifted towards,

2866
02:23:44,320 --> 02:23:48,680
Speaker 6: you know, border rhetoric. You know, people believing, genuinely the

2867
02:23:48,680 --> 02:23:51,160
Speaker 6: people that are speaking in the audience that we currently

2868
02:23:51,200 --> 02:23:53,920
Speaker 6: live under an open border policy that people can just

2869
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:58,160
Speaker 6: walk in totally fine. Just a complete alterned reality view

2870
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:00,840
Speaker 6: about what's going on in America, what Joe Biden and

2871
02:24:00,920 --> 02:24:04,800
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris's border policies are. And there was a number

2872
02:24:04,840 --> 02:24:07,120
Speaker 6: of speeches that tried to capitalize on this, on this

2873
02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:10,960
Speaker 6: almost like border framing up, like there's icis terrorists pouring

2874
02:24:10,959 --> 02:24:14,480
Speaker 6: into the border only under Joe Biden, right, as if

2875
02:24:14,640 --> 02:24:17,520
Speaker 6: no one ever crossed the border illegally under Donald Trump.

2876
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:19,480
Speaker 6: I know what, Robert, you were talking about some of

2877
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:23,160
Speaker 6: the Ted Cruz speech tonight on his comments around the border.

2878
02:24:23,360 --> 02:24:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Cruz was interesting. I've never considered him a

2879
02:24:26,280 --> 02:24:29,760
Speaker 2: particularly strong speaker, and coming out, he initially went into

2880
02:24:30,200 --> 02:24:32,840
Speaker 2: kind of a conspiracy theory that you'll hear on the

2881
02:24:32,920 --> 02:24:36,480
Speaker 2: right about people being trafficked, sex trafficked, kids being sex

2882
02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:39,039
Speaker 2: traffic across the border. He made a comment about them

2883
02:24:39,040 --> 02:24:43,240
Speaker 2: having colored wristbands, which is again not a thing that happens,

2884
02:24:43,280 --> 02:24:45,880
Speaker 2: but a reference to a widely believed right wing conspiracy,

2885
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:48,680
Speaker 2: and that got kind of a scattered amount of applause,

2886
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:51,880
Speaker 2: not not what I would call a reaction, given how

2887
02:24:51,879 --> 02:24:54,000
Speaker 2: he saw the crowd react, Marjorie Taylor Green and how

2888
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:55,879
Speaker 2: we saw them react, you know, whenever Trump comes out

2889
02:24:56,640 --> 02:24:59,640
Speaker 2: very muted. But as it went on, he started going

2890
02:24:59,720 --> 02:25:03,920
Speaker 2: into the kind of fearmongering spiel about migrants. He talked

2891
02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:06,520
Speaker 2: about the woman in San Francisco who was killed by

2892
02:25:06,520 --> 02:25:08,240
Speaker 2: that guy who found a gun in a bag and

2893
02:25:08,760 --> 02:25:11,960
Speaker 2: accidentally fired it. He talked about a number of different

2894
02:25:11,959 --> 02:25:16,160
Speaker 2: other cases that were people not from the country, undocumented

2895
02:25:16,160 --> 02:25:19,400
Speaker 2: immigrants who killed generally white Americans. And every time he

2896
02:25:19,400 --> 02:25:22,320
Speaker 2: would tell a story, he had like a refrain line

2897
02:25:22,320 --> 02:25:24,640
Speaker 2: that was something and that's what happens every damn time

2898
02:25:24,760 --> 02:25:27,800
Speaker 2: or something. And every time he gave the refrain, more

2899
02:25:27,840 --> 02:25:31,440
Speaker 2: and more people started to cheer in the audience. And

2900
02:25:31,480 --> 02:25:33,200
Speaker 2: by the end of it, with the last kind of

2901
02:25:33,320 --> 02:25:36,040
Speaker 2: couple of cases of you know, migrant on white people

2902
02:25:36,080 --> 02:25:39,160
Speaker 2: crime he brought up, the crowd was like legitimately roaring

2903
02:25:39,240 --> 02:25:41,400
Speaker 2: like as much as they did for Marjorie Taylor Green.

2904
02:25:41,800 --> 02:25:44,200
Speaker 2: Now the cop that came up next got a much

2905
02:25:44,360 --> 02:25:47,760
Speaker 2: louder response, and by far the biggest response of the night,

2906
02:25:47,879 --> 02:25:51,560
Speaker 2: even maybe including Trump, was when the delegates on the

2907
02:25:51,560 --> 02:25:54,280
Speaker 2: floor launched into a series of back the Blue chants.

2908
02:25:54,280 --> 02:25:57,520
Speaker 2: They actually interrupted the cop with back the Blue chants

2909
02:25:58,040 --> 02:26:14,320
Speaker 2: and people were roaring for them.

2910
02:26:14,400 --> 02:26:16,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was a lot of a lot of these chants.

2911
02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:18,959
Speaker 6: And the Dallas mayor told a really funny story how

2912
02:26:19,040 --> 02:26:22,480
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty some like anti police or defund the

2913
02:26:22,480 --> 02:26:25,600
Speaker 6: police activists to shut up around his neighborhood to try to,

2914
02:26:25,760 --> 02:26:29,320
Speaker 6: you know, get him to defund the police and he

2915
02:26:29,360 --> 02:26:32,200
Speaker 6: got so scared by this that he changed from being

2916
02:26:32,520 --> 02:26:35,480
Speaker 6: a Democrat mayor to a Republican mayor and now he

2917
02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:39,680
Speaker 6: runs the biggest Republican led city in the country. And

2918
02:26:39,840 --> 02:26:41,920
Speaker 6: he had this comment talking about how he grew up

2919
02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:44,920
Speaker 6: in you know, poor black neighborhoods, and the thing that

2920
02:26:45,080 --> 02:26:47,560
Speaker 6: they've always wanted, the thing that makes them safer, is

2921
02:26:47,680 --> 02:26:49,320
Speaker 6: more cops, not less cops.

2922
02:26:50,360 --> 02:26:50,680
Speaker 1: Both.

2923
02:26:51,360 --> 02:26:53,960
Speaker 11: I grew up in high prime neighborhoods.

2924
02:26:54,920 --> 02:26:59,920
Speaker 2: What we wanted was more and better police, not less.

2925
02:27:02,800 --> 02:27:05,520
Speaker 6: And just contrasting that with our experiences today in a

2926
02:27:05,640 --> 02:27:08,920
Speaker 6: very poor black community that just suffered an incident of

2927
02:27:08,959 --> 02:27:11,480
Speaker 6: police killing. That is that is just a lie, right, like,

2928
02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:14,760
Speaker 6: and like everyone knows this. This is theater for the convention.

2929
02:27:15,080 --> 02:27:17,000
Speaker 6: Everyone at the convention is really into this sort of thing.

2930
02:27:17,040 --> 02:27:19,160
Speaker 6: They genuinely believe this sort of stuff, but it's just

2931
02:27:19,160 --> 02:27:21,959
Speaker 6: an alternate reality. We spend time one of the poorest

2932
02:27:22,200 --> 02:27:26,240
Speaker 6: zip codes in the country and the state today and no,

2933
02:27:26,320 --> 02:27:27,600
Speaker 6: it's that's simply not true.

2934
02:27:28,040 --> 02:27:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, these these people are angry about primarily theoretical problems.

2935
02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:36,000
Speaker 2: You know, this kind of specter of migrant crime, which

2936
02:27:36,040 --> 02:27:38,680
Speaker 2: is not really real in a demographic you can pick

2937
02:27:38,720 --> 02:27:40,600
Speaker 2: out individual cases of that, but you can pick out

2938
02:27:40,600 --> 02:27:43,120
Speaker 2: individual cases of doctors stabbing people to death, and that

2939
02:27:43,160 --> 02:27:46,119
Speaker 2: doesn't mean we have a wave of doctor related crime. Right.

2940
02:27:46,840 --> 02:27:49,480
Speaker 2: The reality of the situation is that, like, these are

2941
02:27:49,959 --> 02:27:53,600
Speaker 2: super fans of the Republican Party, and they are super

2942
02:27:53,640 --> 02:27:56,480
Speaker 2: fans of the narrative, and they are cheering for some

2943
02:27:56,640 --> 02:27:58,640
Speaker 2: of the moments. You know, they're not there's some stuff

2944
02:27:58,640 --> 02:28:01,160
Speaker 2: that's gotten boring to them, to think the child traffick

2945
02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:03,920
Speaker 2: at conspiracy theories might be boring to them, maybe because

2946
02:28:03,920 --> 02:28:08,040
Speaker 2: that guy from the child trafficking movie got disgraced or whatever.

2947
02:28:08,080 --> 02:28:10,640
Speaker 2: There's not as interested. So you can see every now

2948
02:28:10,680 --> 02:28:14,199
Speaker 2: and then as like their interest in certain things fades,

2949
02:28:14,280 --> 02:28:17,840
Speaker 2: But they're reacting like an audience that like a comic

2950
02:28:17,879 --> 02:28:20,279
Speaker 2: con would to see in like a Star Wars trailer

2951
02:28:20,320 --> 02:28:22,720
Speaker 2: where some guy does a thing that's evidence of having

2952
02:28:22,720 --> 02:28:25,000
Speaker 2: the comics or whatever people I'm waiting to see, Like

2953
02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:29,240
Speaker 2: when fucking DeSantis comes on and starts talking about banning

2954
02:28:29,440 --> 02:28:33,080
Speaker 2: children from receiving gender affirming care, that's like fucking Spider

2955
02:28:33,120 --> 02:28:35,520
Speaker 2: Man showing up, right, And they react like the guy

2956
02:28:35,640 --> 02:28:38,800
Speaker 2: next to us when DeSantis started doing this started screaming

2957
02:28:38,840 --> 02:28:42,120
Speaker 2: and like sticking his fist out towards DeSantis and like

2958
02:28:42,240 --> 02:28:44,480
Speaker 2: yelling at it a volume that was honestly kind of

2959
02:28:44,520 --> 02:28:47,200
Speaker 2: surprising the man could project. I'll give him that. So

2960
02:28:47,560 --> 02:28:50,280
Speaker 2: I think ultimately the way I would sum this up

2961
02:28:50,480 --> 02:28:54,640
Speaker 2: is that these are not normal people. These are people

2962
02:28:54,640 --> 02:28:57,400
Speaker 2: who love politics. And again, to be clear, I'm not

2963
02:28:57,400 --> 02:29:00,240
Speaker 2: saying these are not normal people because they're conservative. Your

2964
02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:03,119
Speaker 2: family are conservative, a lot of them are Trump voters,

2965
02:29:03,440 --> 02:29:06,680
Speaker 2: but they would find this audience deeply weird because these

2966
02:29:06,720 --> 02:29:09,760
Speaker 2: people are politics fans, and even most of the conservatives

2967
02:29:09,800 --> 02:29:14,000
Speaker 2: I know really dislike politics. Most normal people do, and

2968
02:29:14,040 --> 02:29:15,720
Speaker 2: I guess that's kind of where I've concluded, is the

2969
02:29:15,720 --> 02:29:19,320
Speaker 2: difference between like the crazies and the normies. Normal people

2970
02:29:19,400 --> 02:29:20,840
Speaker 2: don't enjoy this stuff.

2971
02:29:21,240 --> 02:29:23,840
Speaker 6: The term I've used the past few years is politics

2972
02:29:23,879 --> 02:29:27,440
Speaker 6: as fandom, and that's all this fucking is. This is

2973
02:29:27,480 --> 02:29:30,240
Speaker 6: this is a convention, just like comic con, just like

2974
02:29:30,280 --> 02:29:33,520
Speaker 6: an anime con. This is a convention, and that is

2975
02:29:33,560 --> 02:29:37,119
Speaker 6: how they view politics. Anyway, back to the past versions

2976
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:41,199
Speaker 6: of us to discuss a funny closing story regarding presidential footwear.

2977
02:29:42,320 --> 02:29:44,840
Speaker 6: So that has been our day so far. The last

2978
02:29:44,840 --> 02:29:47,119
Speaker 6: thing I say will leave you with is. On our

2979
02:29:47,320 --> 02:29:50,920
Speaker 6: way to the convention site this morning, we were walking

2980
02:29:50,920 --> 02:29:53,680
Speaker 6: through this hotel to get through security and we found

2981
02:29:53,720 --> 02:29:58,039
Speaker 6: this wonderful section. It was it was it was called

2982
02:29:58,160 --> 02:30:01,440
Speaker 6: the Presidential Experience. We walked in. There was a there

2983
02:30:01,440 --> 02:30:03,240
Speaker 6: was a replica of the Oval Office. I was told

2984
02:30:04,080 --> 02:30:06,680
Speaker 6: Reagan era Oval Office it was. It was pretty good,

2985
02:30:06,680 --> 02:30:07,360
Speaker 6: and it was pretty good.

2986
02:30:07,480 --> 02:30:12,720
Speaker 2: It was not good Netflix production, but like Netflix production

2987
02:30:12,879 --> 02:30:14,039
Speaker 2: level quality.

2988
02:30:13,720 --> 02:30:18,040
Speaker 6: Bad Netflix production quality. So we walked through and then

2989
02:30:18,080 --> 02:30:22,240
Speaker 6: we found just a glorious site. And I will let

2990
02:30:22,360 --> 02:30:26,959
Speaker 6: Past Robert and myself tell you what we found at

2991
02:30:26,959 --> 02:30:31,160
Speaker 6: the Presidential Experience. We are hearing the Presidential shoe section.

2992
02:30:31,640 --> 02:30:37,039
Speaker 6: We've got Harry Truman, Nixon, Gerald Ford, Reagan, Warren G. Harding,

2993
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:41,480
Speaker 6: who has a quote charming spat requested by President Harding

2994
02:30:41,520 --> 02:30:44,960
Speaker 6: and sympathized the elegance of the Victorian era. Dwight Eisenhower's

2995
02:30:44,959 --> 02:30:47,160
Speaker 6: shoes are pretty good. JFKs are a little bit more

2996
02:30:47,160 --> 02:30:51,199
Speaker 6: fancy but less polished. Lyndon B. Johnson's completely unsurprising, very

2997
02:30:51,360 --> 02:30:56,879
Speaker 6: very versatile, very efficient, can get off easy, slip on

2998
02:30:56,959 --> 02:30:59,560
Speaker 6: and off, get those dogs out when you need to.

2999
02:31:00,400 --> 02:31:05,200
Speaker 6: Abe Lincoln has some honestly, very stylish boots. Theodore Roosevelt's

3000
02:31:05,240 --> 02:31:08,440
Speaker 6: as well, large foot on Theodore and Woodrow Wilson's shoes

3001
02:31:08,480 --> 02:31:11,520
Speaker 6: the only white shoe in the bunch. Very small, tiny feet,

3002
02:31:12,480 --> 02:31:16,240
Speaker 6: very small feet. Kind of surprisingly He's it says he

3003
02:31:16,360 --> 02:31:20,400
Speaker 6: chose fashion over tradition with these white buckskins. Also they

3004
02:31:20,400 --> 02:31:25,600
Speaker 6: have Ulysses S. Grant's little little riding boots. The Victorian

3005
02:31:25,640 --> 02:31:28,400
Speaker 6: boots are are very very stylish. But honestly, I think

3006
02:31:28,440 --> 02:31:32,760
Speaker 6: I would go with Dwight D. Eisenhower's. They're just a beautiful,

3007
02:31:32,760 --> 02:31:36,360
Speaker 6: a beautiful shoe. Reagan's aren't bad, but I don't know.

3008
02:31:36,440 --> 02:31:38,400
Speaker 6: The Eisenhower shoes just a little bit more elegant.

3009
02:31:38,680 --> 02:31:41,520
Speaker 2: I'm going for LBJ slip on life.

3010
02:31:41,560 --> 02:31:42,280
Speaker 6: That makes sense for you.

3011
02:31:42,480 --> 02:31:44,440
Speaker 2: That shows you're a man who's got things to do.

3012
02:31:44,560 --> 02:31:46,080
Speaker 2: You know, you don't have time to be tie in

3013
02:31:46,120 --> 02:31:46,600
Speaker 2: your shoes.

3014
02:31:46,680 --> 02:31:50,240
Speaker 6: No, that that that makes sense, That makes sense. Nick

3015
02:31:50,360 --> 02:31:52,160
Speaker 6: Nixon's and Kennedy's are very similar.

3016
02:31:55,120 --> 02:31:58,959
Speaker 2: Process or I will tell you the truth, like or.

3017
02:31:58,879 --> 02:32:06,040
Speaker 6: Not pretty good. It looks like this was presented by

3018
02:32:06,080 --> 02:32:09,600
Speaker 6: c SPAN this presidential experience. We have a Reagan era

3019
02:32:09,720 --> 02:32:12,600
Speaker 6: replica of the Oval Office, not a big room, not

3020
02:32:12,640 --> 02:32:15,879
Speaker 6: a big room, but overall of decent, decent replica.

3021
02:32:16,120 --> 02:32:20,800
Speaker 2: Nice JFK portrait Up there. There's a women's suffrage article.

3022
02:32:21,080 --> 02:32:26,280
Speaker 6: Interesting women's suffrage, little table. Very controversial topic among Republicans

3023
02:32:26,280 --> 02:32:26,800
Speaker 6: these days.

3024
02:32:26,879 --> 02:32:28,560
Speaker 2: It has gotten to be increasingly so.

3025
02:32:29,360 --> 02:32:34,720
Speaker 6: Some old Pennsylvania Packet and Daily Advertiser newspapers from seventeen

3026
02:32:34,760 --> 02:32:35,320
Speaker 6: eighty seven.

3027
02:32:35,360 --> 02:32:38,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so this is I guess the original Pennsylvania

3028
02:32:38,879 --> 02:32:42,280
Speaker 2: newspaper coverage and printing of the.

3029
02:32:41,800 --> 02:32:44,960
Speaker 6: Seventeen eighty seven Yeah, of the Constitution.

3030
02:32:45,040 --> 02:32:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the preamble right there. Yeah, and they spell

3031
02:32:48,440 --> 02:32:53,480
Speaker 2: established justice as a thab lith justith because that's a

3032
02:32:53,760 --> 02:32:56,080
Speaker 2: yieldie days, a lot a lot more f's back in

3033
02:32:56,080 --> 02:32:58,280
Speaker 2: the day. Yeah.

3034
02:32:58,280 --> 02:33:00,920
Speaker 6: But they have these little information placards about all the presidents,

3035
02:33:00,959 --> 02:33:03,400
Speaker 6: the first ladies, that kind of stuff. We'll try to

3036
02:33:03,400 --> 02:33:05,600
Speaker 6: talk to the to the organizer of this little shindig

3037
02:33:05,959 --> 02:33:07,840
Speaker 6: in a sect. But honestly, the shoe, the shoe section,

3038
02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:09,720
Speaker 6: it's the most interesting thing to me just because of

3039
02:33:09,720 --> 02:33:14,920
Speaker 6: how tiny, just just how tiny those Woodrow Wilson shooes are.

3040
02:33:15,440 --> 02:33:18,119
Speaker 2: Hey, Jay, that's that's a that's a that's a long foot.

3041
02:33:18,160 --> 02:33:18,920
Speaker 2: It's not a wide foot.

3042
02:33:20,320 --> 02:33:24,360
Speaker 6: Roosevelt's feet are pretty wide, you as Grant also very small,

3043
02:33:24,560 --> 02:33:29,959
Speaker 6: also very small feet. Hmmm. Yeah. You know what they

3044
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:35,000
Speaker 6: say about anyway, who's your favorite president?

3045
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:43,400
Speaker 2: Favorite? Honestly? You know, I I I think I gotta

3046
02:33:43,440 --> 02:33:47,480
Speaker 2: go with US Grant. He's He's not my favorite president

3047
02:33:47,520 --> 02:33:49,080
Speaker 2: in terms of what he did in office, but in

3048
02:33:49,160 --> 02:33:51,840
Speaker 2: terms of like as a person, sure, he's the US

3049
02:33:51,959 --> 02:33:55,440
Speaker 2: president that I think was probably the the best person.

3050
02:33:56,600 --> 02:33:57,920
Speaker 2: Like he really did try.

3051
02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:00,600
Speaker 6: Always been a Harrison fan myself.

3052
02:34:00,879 --> 02:34:03,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, William Henry, he was my favorite ass president right.

3053
02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:07,320
Speaker 6: Also rhymes was my first name, So a little bit

3054
02:34:07,360 --> 02:34:08,360
Speaker 6: of a bias there.

3055
02:34:09,920 --> 02:34:11,760
Speaker 2: He really I like a man who there. There's not

3056
02:34:11,840 --> 02:34:13,840
Speaker 2: much like fat on that presidency.

3057
02:34:13,879 --> 02:34:16,320
Speaker 6: He really efficient, efficient, efficient time in office.

3058
02:34:16,320 --> 02:34:22,400
Speaker 2: You got in and out. Wow, very exciting. All those

3059
02:34:22,400 --> 02:34:24,600
Speaker 2: little feet. I can't stop thinking about. You know what

3060
02:34:24,640 --> 02:34:26,720
Speaker 2: I think about that's the weirdest is that they did

3061
02:34:26,720 --> 02:34:29,680
Speaker 2: not have they didn't have any bush feet. Sadly well,

3062
02:34:29,720 --> 02:34:31,520
Speaker 2: they didn't have bush feet. And there was one guy

3063
02:34:31,520 --> 02:34:33,920
Speaker 2: who they didn't have his shoes. They just had the

3064
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:37,120
Speaker 2: US Grant. They just had they had like the model

3065
02:34:37,160 --> 02:34:40,480
Speaker 2: that they built the shoe around for him. Yes, which

3066
02:34:40,600 --> 02:34:42,680
Speaker 2: was weird. I was like, where's your where's your US

3067
02:34:42,800 --> 02:34:45,160
Speaker 2: grant shoe? You don't want to show us the hardest

3068
02:34:45,160 --> 02:34:47,000
Speaker 2: working man whoever lived to be president?

3069
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:49,280
Speaker 6: But yeah, no, I thought that was some important breaking

3070
02:34:49,320 --> 02:34:52,840
Speaker 6: news for our listeners to hear who had the smallest foot. Yeah,

3071
02:34:52,879 --> 02:34:55,400
Speaker 6: but as of right now, that is day two of

3072
02:34:55,520 --> 02:34:57,440
Speaker 6: the Republican National Convention.

3073
02:34:57,959 --> 02:35:02,119
Speaker 2: Until our next update, don't come here. It's unpleasant.

3074
02:35:16,520 --> 02:35:18,680
Speaker 7: America is Trump strong? Okay?

3075
02:35:19,240 --> 02:35:20,160
Speaker 2: It is so funny.

3076
02:35:20,320 --> 02:35:23,520
Speaker 6: Welcome to it could happen here. A podcast recorded from

3077
02:35:23,760 --> 02:35:28,640
Speaker 6: the Republican National Convention, specifically the hotel where the Idaho

3078
02:35:28,760 --> 02:35:33,440
Speaker 6: and North Dakota delegates are gathered. Yeah, fascinating elevator rides.

3079
02:35:33,680 --> 02:35:36,600
Speaker 2: And we're thinking today about the memory of that guy

3080
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:38,680
Speaker 2: that Trump does not know the name of who got

3081
02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:39,600
Speaker 2: shot to death.

3082
02:35:39,640 --> 02:35:40,200
Speaker 1: Corey k.

3083
02:35:41,360 --> 02:35:44,520
Speaker 2: They've definitely pronounced every time they've said it wrong.

3084
02:35:44,680 --> 02:35:47,480
Speaker 7: Every single person who spoke the last few days pronounced

3085
02:35:47,480 --> 02:35:50,320
Speaker 7: his name differently, And I was like, well, finally they

3086
02:35:50,320 --> 02:35:53,440
Speaker 7: have somebody's name to pronounce more incorrectly than they do

3087
02:35:53,520 --> 02:35:56,439
Speaker 7: Kabla Harris or Ramaswami.

3088
02:35:56,800 --> 02:36:00,440
Speaker 2: And it's look, folks, I'm not gonna laugh at his kids.

3089
02:36:00,600 --> 02:36:03,200
Speaker 2: You know, that's a tragedy for them. But what I

3090
02:36:03,200 --> 02:36:06,440
Speaker 2: will say is that objectively, it's really funny that this

3091
02:36:06,520 --> 02:36:10,480
Speaker 2: guy died for Donald Trump, and Trump very obviously does

3092
02:36:10,520 --> 02:36:13,440
Speaker 2: not care, couldn't, could not be less important to him,

3093
02:36:13,959 --> 02:36:16,440
Speaker 2: Like there is nothing that matters less than this election

3094
02:36:16,720 --> 02:36:18,920
Speaker 2: the man who took a bullet for him, And that's

3095
02:36:19,040 --> 02:36:20,879
Speaker 2: really funny. That's really funny.

3096
02:36:20,920 --> 02:36:24,640
Speaker 7: Anyways, Uh, this is it could happen here. I'm Sophie LICHTBD. We're,

3097
02:36:25,520 --> 02:36:27,760
Speaker 7: like Gara said at the R and C. I have

3098
02:36:27,840 --> 02:36:29,760
Speaker 7: Garrison Davis with me and Robert Evans.

3099
02:36:29,879 --> 02:36:31,680
Speaker 2: Uh huh, very professional, Sophie, Thank.

3100
02:36:31,560 --> 02:36:33,160
Speaker 7: You so much. I am your boss. Do you want

3101
02:36:33,200 --> 02:36:35,640
Speaker 7: to tell me a little bit about this morning?

3102
02:36:35,959 --> 02:36:37,920
Speaker 6: Well, I think first to talk about some of our

3103
02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:39,320
Speaker 6: late night escapades.

3104
02:36:39,400 --> 02:36:45,280
Speaker 7: Oh wait, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Cigar bar, Yes, wow,

3105
02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:48,040
Speaker 7: I did not go with you to that event, so

3106
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:48,600
Speaker 7: I call.

3107
02:36:49,120 --> 02:36:50,920
Speaker 2: I agree that was a good call. I counted on

3108
02:36:50,959 --> 02:36:52,959
Speaker 2: the main floor of the cigar bar where the young

3109
02:36:53,040 --> 02:36:56,280
Speaker 2: Republicans had their party, and six of forty people had cigars.

3110
02:36:56,640 --> 02:36:57,320
Speaker 6: I had a cigar?

3111
02:36:57,680 --> 02:37:00,640
Speaker 2: You did you had? Because I brought a election of

3112
02:37:00,680 --> 02:37:01,840
Speaker 2: my finest Cubans.

3113
02:37:01,920 --> 02:37:04,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, very very kind of you, Robert.

3114
02:37:04,200 --> 02:37:06,400
Speaker 2: I had one of John F. Kennedy's favorite cigars that

3115
02:37:06,440 --> 02:37:08,520
Speaker 2: I had been aging for two years waiting for this moment.

3116
02:37:08,760 --> 02:37:10,879
Speaker 6: I did like that you had the foresight to bring

3117
02:37:10,959 --> 02:37:12,879
Speaker 6: cigars to the art, to bring.

3118
02:37:12,680 --> 02:37:17,120
Speaker 2: Extremely high quality. Our buddy Lenny had a three year

3119
02:37:17,200 --> 02:37:22,160
Speaker 2: age part of goas you had. But I've been drinking

3120
02:37:22,320 --> 02:37:26,720
Speaker 2: and I had a lovely have you been quality? The

3121
02:37:26,840 --> 02:37:29,400
Speaker 2: best cigars there. I talked to everyone who happened to

3122
02:37:29,400 --> 02:37:32,039
Speaker 2: be smoking a cigar, and they were all smoking trash

3123
02:37:32,160 --> 02:37:35,520
Speaker 2: like a Rodwin and American garbage, because none of them

3124
02:37:35,560 --> 02:37:38,400
Speaker 2: had any kind of look. I don't get into this often.

3125
02:37:38,920 --> 02:37:40,600
Speaker 2: I don't want to be like some of our friends

3126
02:37:40,760 --> 02:37:43,240
Speaker 2: in the in the far right and and use cigars

3127
02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:46,960
Speaker 2: as a totem. I enjoyed my cigars privately, but we

3128
02:37:46,959 --> 02:37:49,320
Speaker 2: were going to a cigar bar, so I brought my

3129
02:37:49,520 --> 02:37:52,200
Speaker 2: nice cigars and oh was it a cigar bar?

3130
02:37:52,440 --> 02:37:55,000
Speaker 7: Were there cigars there? You're just at the word cigars seven.

3131
02:37:55,160 --> 02:37:57,119
Speaker 2: It was not lost on me that none of them

3132
02:37:57,160 --> 02:38:00,440
Speaker 2: smoked good cigars, because they're children, are what. We had

3133
02:38:00,480 --> 02:38:03,200
Speaker 2: an interview with Rudy Giuliani, and Rudy would have understood

3134
02:38:03,360 --> 02:38:06,320
Speaker 2: that man has nice cigars. I'll say that about Rudy Giuliani.

3135
02:38:06,320 --> 02:38:08,120
Speaker 2: He knows the cigars, that's all I'm saying.

3136
02:38:08,160 --> 02:38:09,920
Speaker 6: Great, So we've been trying to hit the kind of

3137
02:38:09,920 --> 02:38:12,040
Speaker 6: the after party scene at the RNC just to see

3138
02:38:12,080 --> 02:38:15,840
Speaker 6: kind of what's up. This little cigar party was put

3139
02:38:15,879 --> 02:38:18,600
Speaker 6: on by some of the young Republicans from New.

3140
02:38:18,480 --> 02:38:21,560
Speaker 2: York, primarily in New York. They are very confident of

3141
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:25,880
Speaker 2: a victory, potentially a statewide victory in a national election.

3142
02:38:26,600 --> 02:38:29,320
Speaker 2: And you know what, the evidence doesn't make it impossible.

3143
02:38:29,360 --> 02:38:31,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like it's going to happen from this cycle.

3144
02:38:31,480 --> 02:38:33,520
Speaker 2: But twenty twenty eight, New York could be in play.

3145
02:38:34,440 --> 02:38:36,920
Speaker 2: And one of the interesting things is that Florida also

3146
02:38:36,920 --> 02:38:40,800
Speaker 2: seems to be tightening. Two poles recently show Trump just

3147
02:38:40,840 --> 02:38:43,080
Speaker 2: four points ahead of Biden. He won by ten in

3148
02:38:43,120 --> 02:38:46,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. That's a significant tightening and within kind of

3149
02:38:46,160 --> 02:38:48,880
Speaker 2: swing state margins. And so it is kind of interesting

3150
02:38:48,879 --> 02:38:51,760
Speaker 2: to conceive of the possibility that by twenty twenty eight,

3151
02:38:51,840 --> 02:38:54,119
Speaker 2: both New York and Florida could be in play.

3152
02:38:55,040 --> 02:38:57,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I dressed like a nineteen fifty FBI agent

3153
02:38:57,560 --> 02:39:00,840
Speaker 6: and trench coat and smoke well, done one of these

3154
02:39:00,840 --> 02:39:02,520
Speaker 6: cigars as best as I could.

3155
02:39:02,600 --> 02:39:03,400
Speaker 2: How'd you like it?

3156
02:39:03,160 --> 02:39:04,039
Speaker 6: It was fine.

3157
02:39:04,160 --> 02:39:04,920
Speaker 2: It was a nice cigar.

3158
02:39:05,080 --> 02:39:05,800
Speaker 6: It's no clove.

3159
02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:11,360
Speaker 2: Good god, oh my fucking so, give me a gun.

3160
02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:14,880
Speaker 6: It was it was. It was a nice little party.

3161
02:39:15,120 --> 02:39:17,520
Speaker 6: We talked, We talked to some people. The best thing

3162
02:39:17,560 --> 02:39:20,760
Speaker 6: about the party though, is that there was a series

3163
02:39:20,840 --> 02:39:23,400
Speaker 6: of speeches put on by these guys from New York

3164
02:39:23,480 --> 02:39:26,520
Speaker 6: that kind of just kept going on. And the longer

3165
02:39:26,600 --> 02:39:28,360
Speaker 6: that these speeches and like these three different guys kept

3166
02:39:28,400 --> 02:39:31,120
Speaker 6: going on, the music on the roof started to get

3167
02:39:31,160 --> 02:39:35,360
Speaker 6: slowly louder and louder and louder until it was completely

3168
02:39:35,520 --> 02:39:39,000
Speaker 6: draining out the speeches, until they just stopped because like, okay,

3169
02:39:39,000 --> 02:39:40,199
Speaker 6: the music's too loud.

3170
02:39:40,080 --> 02:39:42,320
Speaker 2: Now now and again there are heroes.

3171
02:39:42,120 --> 02:39:45,000
Speaker 6: So someone was on that dial just every every two

3172
02:39:45,000 --> 02:39:46,560
Speaker 6: minutes it up a little bit.

3173
02:39:46,680 --> 02:39:49,400
Speaker 2: There's a guy I follow who has started who followed

3174
02:39:49,400 --> 02:39:51,840
Speaker 2: me back in twenty twenty, who was like an election

3175
02:39:52,480 --> 02:39:56,039
Speaker 2: poll analysis expert and was like, and it's not a

3176
02:39:56,080 --> 02:39:58,959
Speaker 2: political guy, but was like, look, if you show up

3177
02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:03,520
Speaker 2: at a convention after party to talk, fuck you like

3178
02:40:03,680 --> 02:40:06,080
Speaker 2: people are there to drink, all you should say is

3179
02:40:06,120 --> 02:40:09,400
Speaker 2: the bar is open and I agreed with that, and

3180
02:40:09,440 --> 02:40:11,360
Speaker 2: then you know what, to skip ahead. Credit to the

3181
02:40:11,360 --> 02:40:14,520
Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation. Nobody ever said anything but that we could

3182
02:40:14,560 --> 02:40:17,920
Speaker 2: drink all we wanted. That is a Heritage Foundation party.

3183
02:40:17,600 --> 02:40:19,160
Speaker 6: That is right, which we will get to later. So

3184
02:40:19,720 --> 02:40:23,200
Speaker 6: we were up way too late, way too late at

3185
02:40:23,240 --> 02:40:25,039
Speaker 6: at some of these after parties the other night, and

3186
02:40:25,200 --> 02:40:27,199
Speaker 6: we had to get up pretty early in the morning

3187
02:40:27,280 --> 02:40:30,360
Speaker 6: because we had an interview with the CEO of the

3188
02:40:30,400 --> 02:40:33,560
Speaker 6: Texas Public Policy Foundation, which is kind of like a

3189
02:40:33,600 --> 02:40:38,240
Speaker 6: mini version, yeah, the Heritage Foundation, but just for Texas. Yeah,

3190
02:40:38,360 --> 02:40:42,480
Speaker 6: the former guy who ran this now runs the Heritage

3191
02:40:42,520 --> 02:40:44,600
Speaker 6: Foundation itself, so it's kind of like a little bit

3192
02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:47,400
Speaker 6: of a training ground and they kind of swap members often.

3193
02:40:48,360 --> 02:40:50,840
Speaker 6: We had a pretty long interview that we will turn

3194
02:40:50,879 --> 02:40:55,160
Speaker 6: into some kind of future piece of content, discussing everything

3195
02:40:55,200 --> 02:40:59,240
Speaker 6: from woke ideology to the mortal rot infecting America.

3196
02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:02,320
Speaker 2: To why mash shoot happened in this country. Yeah, Yeah,

3197
02:41:02,360 --> 02:41:02,600
Speaker 2: he was.

3198
02:41:03,080 --> 02:41:05,080
Speaker 6: He was very polished, very media trained.

3199
02:41:05,200 --> 02:41:08,920
Speaker 2: He easily the best interview subject in terms of his

3200
02:41:09,080 --> 02:41:11,720
Speaker 2: like skillet talking, yeah, that we've had.

3201
02:41:11,800 --> 02:41:14,360
Speaker 6: And similarly, I don't think he was quite prepared for

3202
02:41:14,400 --> 02:41:16,880
Speaker 6: our line of questioning either, you know, so that he

3203
02:41:17,560 --> 02:41:19,240
Speaker 6: got taken it back a little bit by some of

3204
02:41:19,280 --> 02:41:21,720
Speaker 6: the questions we were lobbing him, probably very different from

3205
02:41:21,720 --> 02:41:24,320
Speaker 6: the rest of the interviews that he's been doing. I'm

3206
02:41:24,360 --> 02:41:26,879
Speaker 6: trying to think if there's any anything specifically about that

3207
02:41:26,959 --> 02:41:28,000
Speaker 6: interview that's worth mentioning.

3208
02:41:28,040 --> 02:41:30,520
Speaker 2: Now, you know what really interests me because the shooting

3209
02:41:30,680 --> 02:41:32,720
Speaker 2: is so relevant, I will bring up the shooting. We

3210
02:41:32,760 --> 02:41:35,560
Speaker 2: talked about why the guy who tried to kill Trump

3211
02:41:35,560 --> 02:41:38,520
Speaker 2: had done it, and he and I were kind of

3212
02:41:38,600 --> 02:41:40,720
Speaker 2: the same mind, the same mind that you are, Garrison,

3213
02:41:40,760 --> 02:41:44,360
Speaker 2: which is that this was a school shooter type thing

3214
02:41:44,360 --> 02:41:46,720
Speaker 2: and that was the primary reason behind the ideology. And

3215
02:41:46,760 --> 02:41:49,160
Speaker 2: this is before now some stuff has come out since

3216
02:41:49,200 --> 02:41:51,480
Speaker 2: that has made that seem even more likely. But it

3217
02:41:51,520 --> 02:41:53,920
Speaker 2: was interesting to like kind of have that not be

3218
02:41:53,959 --> 02:41:56,200
Speaker 2: a controversial part of the conversation. This was not a

3219
02:41:56,280 --> 02:41:58,800
Speaker 2: radical left shooting. There was no sort of attempt by

3220
02:41:58,920 --> 02:42:00,600
Speaker 2: him to claim it as that. He was like, yeah,

3221
02:42:00,600 --> 02:42:03,279
Speaker 2: this seems like a guy. We have a deep sickness

3222
02:42:03,280 --> 02:42:06,640
Speaker 2: in this country, and we clearly disagreed with him about

3223
02:42:06,680 --> 02:42:09,480
Speaker 2: the specifics of where the sickness comes from. But the

3224
02:42:09,560 --> 02:42:11,840
Speaker 2: sickness leads to some people who just want to do

3225
02:42:11,920 --> 02:42:15,920
Speaker 2: mass shootings that are not political, and uh, that was

3226
02:42:15,959 --> 02:42:16,600
Speaker 2: interesting to me.

3227
02:42:16,879 --> 02:42:18,400
Speaker 6: No, And one of the big things talked about in

3228
02:42:18,480 --> 02:42:21,000
Speaker 6: terms of this moral rot is that there is something

3229
02:42:21,120 --> 02:42:23,920
Speaker 6: lacking in our country, specifically with young men. There's there

3230
02:42:23,959 --> 02:42:27,160
Speaker 6: is there is this lack of purpose among young men

3231
02:42:27,200 --> 02:42:29,080
Speaker 6: which makes them do these kind of violent acts.

3232
02:42:29,160 --> 02:42:31,440
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that, sure, And I think I

3233
02:42:31,640 --> 02:42:33,879
Speaker 2: think I disagree with Yeah, his his.

3234
02:42:33,720 --> 02:42:36,400
Speaker 6: His solutions and some and some some of his diagnosis

3235
02:42:36,480 --> 02:42:39,199
Speaker 6: in certain ways, right because he he'll attribute that lack

3236
02:42:39,320 --> 02:42:42,199
Speaker 6: to certain things that we might not morality at the home,

3237
02:42:42,320 --> 02:42:46,240
Speaker 6: and sure, you know, all these all those kind of things.

3238
02:42:46,440 --> 02:42:48,120
Speaker 6: But you know, that was that that was kind of

3239
02:42:48,120 --> 02:42:50,160
Speaker 6: his his take, you know. And then we also talked

3240
02:42:50,160 --> 02:42:53,400
Speaker 6: about everything from like the influence of billionaires on these

3241
02:42:53,480 --> 02:42:57,360
Speaker 6: right wing think tanks and political candidates, Catholics versus Evangelicals.

3242
02:42:57,360 --> 02:42:59,280
Speaker 6: It was an interesting conversation that I'm sure you'll hear

3243
02:42:59,560 --> 02:43:01,720
Speaker 6: in the coming weeks, and we'll kind of explain why

3244
02:43:01,760 --> 02:43:03,720
Speaker 6: we want you to hear from this guy who's, you know,

3245
02:43:03,800 --> 02:43:07,360
Speaker 6: typically probably pretty adversarial to the type of stuff that

3246
02:43:07,400 --> 02:43:10,080
Speaker 6: we talk about on this show. But after this interview.

3247
02:43:10,160 --> 02:43:14,240
Speaker 6: I met up with Sophie lichterman Hey and we talked

3248
02:43:14,360 --> 02:43:18,560
Speaker 6: to the people at the actual Heritage Foundation booth who

3249
02:43:18,959 --> 02:43:21,959
Speaker 6: had many a pamphlet, and I collected all of the

3250
02:43:22,000 --> 02:43:25,200
Speaker 6: gender ideology pamphlets, which will also be a future deep

3251
02:43:25,240 --> 02:43:28,400
Speaker 6: dive kind of Curiously, they did not have a single

3252
02:43:28,480 --> 02:43:32,680
Speaker 6: pamphlet about Project twenty twenty five. Nope, No, and they

3253
02:43:32,680 --> 02:43:34,480
Speaker 6: didn't like talking about it either. They said that Project

3254
02:43:34,480 --> 02:43:36,560
Speaker 6: twenty twenty five is, you know, a coalition effort between

3255
02:43:36,560 --> 02:43:38,760
Speaker 6: both Heritage and all these other groups, but they're not

3256
02:43:38,800 --> 02:43:41,680
Speaker 6: really talking about it here today because it's not Trump's

3257
02:43:41,680 --> 02:43:44,400
Speaker 6: policy platform. Trump has his own policy platform. This is

3258
02:43:44,520 --> 02:43:48,360
Speaker 6: just a list of policy suggestions for lawmakers once they

3259
02:43:48,400 --> 02:43:51,640
Speaker 6: get into office. So they like to talk about a

3260
02:43:51,640 --> 02:43:53,280
Speaker 6: whole bunch of other stuff, you know, certain things that

3261
02:43:53,280 --> 02:43:55,080
Speaker 6: are kind of a part of Project twenty twenty five,

3262
02:43:55,120 --> 02:43:58,640
Speaker 6: but nothing about the actual you know, document itself, partially

3263
02:43:58,800 --> 02:44:02,320
Speaker 6: due to the kind of negative blash that it has received,

3264
02:44:02,320 --> 02:44:05,040
Speaker 6: and you know, it seems to be kind of widely

3265
02:44:05,160 --> 02:44:09,039
Speaker 6: unliked for various reasons. So I think it was interesting

3266
02:44:09,040 --> 02:44:11,640
Speaker 6: that they weren't even pushing it at an event like this.

3267
02:44:12,040 --> 02:44:14,920
Speaker 2: You know, again, with the Texas Policy Foundation gut we

3268
02:44:14,959 --> 02:44:18,160
Speaker 2: talked about when we brought it up. He was pretty

3269
02:44:18,360 --> 02:44:20,879
Speaker 2: open about the fact that it's not popular. Yeah, and

3270
02:44:20,959 --> 02:44:23,920
Speaker 2: his attitude was that in the future, once we win,

3271
02:44:24,200 --> 02:44:26,400
Speaker 2: we can try and build consensus around it. But he

3272
02:44:26,400 --> 02:44:29,080
Speaker 2: didn't try to deny the fact that, like, it's widely

3273
02:44:29,120 --> 02:44:31,440
Speaker 2: disliked by the electorate.

3274
02:44:31,120 --> 02:44:33,000
Speaker 6: And it is against a lot of things that are

3275
02:44:33,040 --> 02:44:37,959
Speaker 6: on the Republican policy platform for the actual party. Sophie,

3276
02:44:38,040 --> 02:44:42,040
Speaker 6: you had a wonderful conversation with some of these heritage folks.

3277
02:44:42,200 --> 02:44:45,120
Speaker 7: Let's just say that my very blonde hair and the

3278
02:44:45,200 --> 02:44:48,800
Speaker 7: pig tills that I or most of this week made

3279
02:44:48,840 --> 02:44:51,879
Speaker 7: it very easy for these folks to talk to me,

3280
02:44:52,040 --> 02:44:54,680
Speaker 7: which is unsettling.

3281
02:44:54,160 --> 02:44:56,640
Speaker 6: A little bit frightening, but useful.

3282
02:44:56,200 --> 02:44:58,400
Speaker 7: But very very very scary.

3283
02:44:58,920 --> 02:44:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3284
02:44:59,280 --> 02:45:01,640
Speaker 7: Of course, asking a lot of the folks that I've

3285
02:45:01,640 --> 02:45:05,800
Speaker 7: talked to this week is mostly about their opinions about education,

3286
02:45:06,120 --> 02:45:08,840
Speaker 7: and you know, if there is a shift in power

3287
02:45:08,879 --> 02:45:13,000
Speaker 7: with Trump being elected in November, what exactly they would

3288
02:45:13,040 --> 02:45:16,480
Speaker 7: want to do. And the overall majority answer from these

3289
02:45:16,480 --> 02:45:20,160
Speaker 7: groups is that they want to take away power from

3290
02:45:20,280 --> 02:45:22,920
Speaker 7: the federal government and bring it to the states, and

3291
02:45:23,080 --> 02:45:26,440
Speaker 7: that would be universal school choice, and so got a

3292
02:45:26,440 --> 02:45:29,240
Speaker 7: little bit of that from them. They also mentioned something

3293
02:45:29,400 --> 02:45:33,640
Speaker 7: about one of the biggest roadblocks being student loans.

3294
02:45:33,680 --> 02:45:37,840
Speaker 6: While also being very against student learned for forgiveness specifically,

3295
02:45:37,959 --> 02:45:40,560
Speaker 6: so it's kind of a it was an interesting position.

3296
02:45:40,760 --> 02:45:42,600
Speaker 6: I want to read some more of their pamphlets on that.

3297
02:45:42,760 --> 02:45:45,320
Speaker 7: But anyways, that just talks with them more. Got more

3298
02:45:45,360 --> 02:45:49,600
Speaker 7: of their pamphlets and Garrison and I asked them about

3299
02:45:49,720 --> 02:45:53,160
Speaker 7: the states that they choose to operate.

3300
02:45:52,720 --> 02:45:56,400
Speaker 6: In and specifically for their lobbying group as opposed to

3301
02:45:56,480 --> 02:45:58,760
Speaker 6: just like the think tank, they have this other thing

3302
02:45:58,800 --> 02:46:02,160
Speaker 6: I think called Heritage Action, which operates differently because of

3303
02:46:02,200 --> 02:46:03,680
Speaker 6: certain laws around lobbying.

3304
02:46:03,760 --> 02:46:05,320
Speaker 2: It's kind of where they try to train a lot

3305
02:46:05,320 --> 02:46:07,400
Speaker 2: of new people up. They had a lot of advertisements

3306
02:46:07,400 --> 02:46:08,840
Speaker 2: that they did, something like fifty yea.

3307
02:46:09,040 --> 02:46:11,080
Speaker 6: More on the ground activism type stuff.

3308
02:46:11,360 --> 02:46:13,400
Speaker 7: And Garret, what was the answer they gave? I thought

3309
02:46:13,440 --> 02:46:16,480
Speaker 7: it was interesting you asked the question for why they

3310
02:46:16,480 --> 02:46:17,600
Speaker 7: didn't go in certain states.

3311
02:46:17,680 --> 02:46:19,280
Speaker 6: Yes, so they had this map of what states they

3312
02:46:19,280 --> 02:46:21,320
Speaker 6: were active in, and there were certain states, you know,

3313
02:46:21,360 --> 02:46:25,760
Speaker 6: like Oregon, Washington, a whole bunch of the New England states,

3314
02:46:25,760 --> 02:46:27,480
Speaker 6: and they just weren't active in because they didn't think

3315
02:46:27,560 --> 02:46:29,760
Speaker 6: they would be very effective. They wouln't make any leeway.

3316
02:46:29,760 --> 02:46:31,160
Speaker 6: It's it's just not worth it. It's not going to

3317
02:46:31,320 --> 02:46:35,200
Speaker 6: move towards actual electoral victories. But the other there's other

3318
02:46:35,240 --> 02:46:37,640
Speaker 6: states like Wyoming and a few others that they weren't

3319
02:46:37,640 --> 02:46:42,280
Speaker 6: active in for different reasons because of specific regulations regarding

3320
02:46:42,440 --> 02:46:46,840
Speaker 6: donor transparency that they were strongly against the states that

3321
02:46:46,959 --> 02:46:49,760
Speaker 6: require there to be transparency for people who donate to

3322
02:46:49,800 --> 02:46:53,480
Speaker 6: these kind of political groups. And in protest of those

3323
02:46:53,560 --> 02:46:56,800
Speaker 6: regulations and laws, they are completely inactive in those states,

3324
02:46:57,040 --> 02:46:58,680
Speaker 6: which is a funny way of saying, we just want

3325
02:46:58,680 --> 02:47:01,720
Speaker 6: to hide whoever gives us money. And that is that

3326
02:47:01,800 --> 02:47:03,959
Speaker 6: was a little interesting piece of information regarding you know,

3327
02:47:04,080 --> 02:47:06,959
Speaker 6: there's the state states don't operate and because they do

3328
02:47:07,000 --> 02:47:10,520
Speaker 6: not want to see or have it made public where

3329
02:47:10,560 --> 02:47:12,400
Speaker 6: their kind of money is coming in and out of,

3330
02:47:12,680 --> 02:47:15,760
Speaker 6: at least for the Heritage Action part of the group.

3331
02:47:16,080 --> 02:47:20,879
Speaker 7: Yes, it was overall just interesting that there was you know,

3332
02:47:21,000 --> 02:47:23,760
Speaker 7: at this at this booth, there was about five different

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02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:25,640
Speaker 7: i would say twenty something women.

3334
02:47:25,680 --> 02:47:28,640
Speaker 6: Twenty something died blonde women, yes.

3335
02:47:28,800 --> 02:47:33,720
Speaker 7: And they invited me to their Heritage Social party that

3336
02:47:33,760 --> 02:47:36,440
Speaker 7: they were having that was across from the main convention

3337
02:47:36,840 --> 02:47:39,080
Speaker 7: where you needed an access code to get in, and

3338
02:47:39,120 --> 02:47:40,879
Speaker 7: they gave you that flyer and.

3339
02:47:41,600 --> 02:47:44,000
Speaker 6: You will hear all about that. We took advantage of that.

3340
02:47:44,200 --> 02:47:46,039
Speaker 6: At the end of the episode you will get a

3341
02:47:46,040 --> 02:47:52,920
Speaker 6: special inside look at the Heritage Foundations private invite only exclusive.

3342
02:47:53,360 --> 02:47:56,080
Speaker 2: Party was off the record. Now, does it count? No,

3343
02:47:56,160 --> 02:47:58,360
Speaker 2: of course not. I promised that lady that what she

3344
02:47:58,400 --> 02:48:00,520
Speaker 2: said to me was off the record, and I won't

3345
02:48:00,560 --> 02:48:02,560
Speaker 2: say any more about that. But I didn't promise that

3346
02:48:02,560 --> 02:48:03,240
Speaker 2: to anyone else.

3347
02:48:03,360 --> 02:48:05,720
Speaker 6: Do you know what's on the record, Robert, what you

3348
02:48:05,800 --> 02:48:06,520
Speaker 6: said later?

3349
02:48:07,200 --> 02:48:10,600
Speaker 7: These products and the products and services that support this podcast.

3350
02:48:10,680 --> 02:48:14,160
Speaker 2: That also that also is off the record, on the record. Whatever,

3351
02:48:14,320 --> 02:48:21,160
Speaker 2: here's the ads.

3352
02:48:24,600 --> 02:48:27,760
Speaker 6: We are back and don't worry. You will hear about

3353
02:48:27,800 --> 02:48:31,400
Speaker 6: this special Heritage Foundation party in a sect. But first

3354
02:48:31,440 --> 02:48:33,440
Speaker 6: I want to play for you a whole interview that

3355
02:48:33,520 --> 02:48:36,600
Speaker 6: I collected just down the hall from the Heritage Foundation booth.

3356
02:48:37,200 --> 02:48:41,480
Speaker 6: The American Conservation Coalition had a pretty a pretty large

3357
02:48:41,480 --> 02:48:45,640
Speaker 6: section of the RNC convention fest. You know, list of

3358
02:48:45,720 --> 02:48:50,080
Speaker 6: vendors kind of more typical like you know, convention type stuff.

3359
02:48:50,080 --> 02:48:51,720
Speaker 6: You know, like if you go to like a comic

3360
02:48:51,800 --> 02:48:53,240
Speaker 6: on or something, it's a lot of like vendors and

3361
02:48:53,240 --> 02:48:55,400
Speaker 6: booths that this kind of section of the R and C.

3362
02:48:56,360 --> 02:48:58,760
Speaker 6: So they had this this pretty big booth and it

3363
02:48:58,879 --> 02:49:01,080
Speaker 6: was the only time I ever seen anything mentioned about

3364
02:49:01,080 --> 02:49:04,840
Speaker 6: climate change. So I was interested to see what conservatives

3365
02:49:05,200 --> 02:49:08,440
Speaker 6: talking about climate change sound like what they're saying. And

3366
02:49:08,520 --> 02:49:11,880
Speaker 6: I will just play that interview here right now. Do

3367
02:49:11,920 --> 02:49:13,879
Speaker 6: you want to introducing yourself in the organization you're with.

3368
02:49:14,040 --> 02:49:14,400
Speaker 7: Sure.

3369
02:49:14,720 --> 02:49:17,640
Speaker 5: My name's Carl Matthews. I'm the vice president of Communications

3370
02:49:17,640 --> 02:49:21,200
Speaker 5: at the American Conservation Coalition, which is the largest conservative

3371
02:49:21,240 --> 02:49:23,960
Speaker 5: grassroots environmental organization in the country.

3372
02:49:24,760 --> 02:49:27,160
Speaker 2: So a few things that that interested me about your group.

3373
02:49:27,200 --> 02:49:29,800
Speaker 6: I mean, especially if you look back in the last

3374
02:49:29,840 --> 02:49:33,640
Speaker 6: one hundred years, like environmental conservation has been historically a

3375
02:49:33,720 --> 02:49:35,199
Speaker 6: much more conservative standpoint.

3376
02:49:35,240 --> 02:49:36,920
Speaker 2: You can look at like presidents in like the.

3377
02:49:37,000 --> 02:49:39,880
Speaker 6: Nineteen twenties, there was a huge push for that, and

3378
02:49:40,120 --> 02:49:42,400
Speaker 6: somewhere along the lines that that's kind of been lost

3379
02:49:42,440 --> 02:49:44,720
Speaker 6: for like a number of reasons. I guess, what is

3380
02:49:44,760 --> 02:49:47,440
Speaker 6: your main mission here with this organization?

3381
02:49:47,920 --> 02:49:49,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's interesting you bring up kind of the

3382
02:49:49,600 --> 02:49:52,360
Speaker 5: history of conservative conservation because we have a timeline here

3383
02:49:52,360 --> 02:49:55,200
Speaker 5: at the RNC showing all the Republican presidents who have

3384
02:49:55,240 --> 02:49:58,440
Speaker 5: really engaged on this issue, from Ulysses Grant to Teddy

3385
02:49:58,520 --> 02:50:01,400
Speaker 5: Roosevelt to more modern present that is like Richard Nixon,

3386
02:50:01,520 --> 02:50:04,760
Speaker 5: Ronald Reagan, and even hw Bush. So what we're really

3387
02:50:04,920 --> 02:50:07,959
Speaker 5: doing here with the American Conservation Coalition is building the

3388
02:50:08,000 --> 02:50:12,680
Speaker 5: conservative environmental movement, specifically among young Americans who frankly feel

3389
02:50:12,760 --> 02:50:15,720
Speaker 5: kind of disenfranchised by both parties on the issue of

3390
02:50:15,760 --> 02:50:18,440
Speaker 5: climate and the environment. The left has taken a really

3391
02:50:18,440 --> 02:50:21,280
Speaker 5: doom and gloom approach to these issues that isn't very

3392
02:50:21,320 --> 02:50:23,879
Speaker 5: inspiring for a lot of young folks, and in the

3393
02:50:23,920 --> 02:50:28,240
Speaker 5: last thirty years, conservatives haven't engaged very productively. So we're

3394
02:50:28,280 --> 02:50:33,359
Speaker 5: here showing that conservation is conservative, those values are inherently entwined,

3395
02:50:33,680 --> 02:50:37,360
Speaker 5: and it's okay to call for action on environmental issues

3396
02:50:37,360 --> 02:50:38,279
Speaker 5: like climate change.

3397
02:50:38,400 --> 02:50:41,360
Speaker 6: I guess yeah. Let's start more on like the big topic,

3398
02:50:41,360 --> 02:50:43,040
Speaker 6: which is which is climate change, and we can get

3399
02:50:43,040 --> 02:50:45,800
Speaker 6: into like local conservation. What is your take on the

3400
02:50:45,840 --> 02:50:49,240
Speaker 6: current climate scenario, because like ever since, ever since the

3401
02:50:49,240 --> 02:50:51,720
Speaker 6: early two thousands, there's been this you know, for a

3402
02:50:51,760 --> 02:50:53,640
Speaker 6: lot of young people slightly worrying trend. If you have

3403
02:50:53,760 --> 02:50:57,840
Speaker 6: the politicians just either seriously downgrading, you know, the scale

3404
02:50:57,840 --> 02:50:59,960
Speaker 6: of this problem, or just thinking there is no problem.

3405
02:51:00,440 --> 02:51:02,880
Speaker 6: What is your take both, I guess on that part.

3406
02:51:02,920 --> 02:51:06,600
Speaker 6: And then how you see the climate crisis, the climate

3407
02:51:06,640 --> 02:51:08,960
Speaker 6: issue that we are dealing with, where do you see

3408
02:51:08,959 --> 02:51:09,320
Speaker 6: it heading?

3409
02:51:09,760 --> 02:51:12,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, So ACC was founded because Conservatives weren't engaging on

3410
02:51:12,720 --> 02:51:15,920
Speaker 5: this issue. So for the last six seven years we've

3411
02:51:15,959 --> 02:51:19,600
Speaker 5: been really pushing conservatives, especially conservative elected leaders, to re

3412
02:51:19,680 --> 02:51:21,680
Speaker 5: engage in a productive way. And I think we've done

3413
02:51:21,720 --> 02:51:25,400
Speaker 5: that really effectively. In DC where I live, the Conservative

3414
02:51:25,400 --> 02:51:27,560
Speaker 5: Climate Caucus in the House, which is a group of

3415
02:51:27,600 --> 02:51:31,080
Speaker 5: Republican lawmakers interested in tackling the issue of climate change,

3416
02:51:31,240 --> 02:51:33,800
Speaker 5: has eighty seven members. It's the fourth largest in the

3417
02:51:33,840 --> 02:51:37,400
Speaker 5: Republican conference. So we're seeing a big kind of shift

3418
02:51:37,520 --> 02:51:40,200
Speaker 5: in the Overton window there. But yeah, I think young

3419
02:51:40,200 --> 02:51:44,640
Speaker 5: people want elected leaders who recognize that we have an issue,

3420
02:51:45,040 --> 02:51:47,480
Speaker 5: recognize that we have a challenge in climate change, and

3421
02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:52,120
Speaker 5: want practical solutions like expanding clean, reliable nuclear energy, like

3422
02:51:52,760 --> 02:51:56,400
Speaker 5: pursuing permitting reform to actually allow American energy projects to

3423
02:51:56,400 --> 02:51:58,680
Speaker 5: be built. So I think we take a really kind

3424
02:51:58,720 --> 02:52:02,199
Speaker 5: of level headed rationalach to these issues that really resonates.

3425
02:52:01,800 --> 02:52:04,680
Speaker 6: With young people. What's the main difference in how you

3426
02:52:04,800 --> 02:52:07,720
Speaker 6: view the climate issue as opposed to someone like AOC

3427
02:52:07,959 --> 02:52:10,440
Speaker 6: right or like these these more like progressive democrats of view,

3428
02:52:10,440 --> 02:52:12,320
Speaker 6: this is a very existential crisis.

3429
02:52:12,879 --> 02:52:14,440
Speaker 2: You have to get fossil fuels under control.

3430
02:52:15,120 --> 02:52:17,400
Speaker 6: These kind of timelines that we hear, you know, by

3431
02:52:17,440 --> 02:52:19,840
Speaker 6: twenty fifty, by twenty seventy, by even like something like

3432
02:52:19,840 --> 02:52:22,520
Speaker 6: twenty thirty, right, how it becomes like a cascading problem.

3433
02:52:22,640 --> 02:52:25,600
Speaker 6: How differently do you view the current situation than you know,

3434
02:52:25,680 --> 02:52:27,280
Speaker 6: these like progressive democrats.

3435
02:52:27,640 --> 02:52:29,920
Speaker 5: Sure, like I said, climate change is a challenge. It's

3436
02:52:29,920 --> 02:52:32,560
Speaker 5: certainly something that we need to tackle, but we don't

3437
02:52:32,640 --> 02:52:34,640
Speaker 5: view it through kind of this doom and gloom lens

3438
02:52:34,680 --> 02:52:37,640
Speaker 5: where we're going to die in twelve, ten, five years,

3439
02:52:37,680 --> 02:52:40,840
Speaker 5: whatever the current timeline is on the left. But we

3440
02:52:40,879 --> 02:52:43,440
Speaker 5: do see a need for all of the above energy.

3441
02:52:43,520 --> 02:52:47,120
Speaker 5: So we recognize that energy demand is continuing to expand,

3442
02:52:47,200 --> 02:52:49,640
Speaker 5: but we also need to protect our environment. So we

3443
02:52:49,680 --> 02:52:53,600
Speaker 5: need to kind of consider that trilemma reliable, affordable, and

3444
02:52:53,720 --> 02:52:56,760
Speaker 5: clean when we're looking at our energy portfolio in the future.

3445
02:52:56,959 --> 02:52:59,039
Speaker 5: And I think that's what really kind of distinguishes us

3446
02:52:59,080 --> 02:53:00,960
Speaker 5: from the left, and that we're not calling for a

3447
02:53:00,959 --> 02:53:03,720
Speaker 5: divestment of fossil fuels. We're calling for a rational, level

3448
02:53:03,720 --> 02:53:07,480
Speaker 5: headed energy strategy that will lower emissions, but in kind

3449
02:53:07,480 --> 02:53:08,760
Speaker 5: of a more realistic way.

3450
02:53:09,640 --> 02:53:11,640
Speaker 6: Do you think that timeline's gonna be more stretched out?

3451
02:53:11,680 --> 02:53:13,080
Speaker 6: Because I mean, if if you look at you know

3452
02:53:13,160 --> 02:53:15,760
Speaker 6: the way current levels are heading. As soon as we

3453
02:53:15,840 --> 02:53:20,080
Speaker 6: hit like two point five degrees, not just that change,

3454
02:53:20,120 --> 02:53:23,240
Speaker 6: but the level of cascating environmental effects, right, one thing changes.

3455
02:53:23,280 --> 02:53:26,240
Speaker 6: Now everything gets worse because when stuff melts, then it

3456
02:53:26,320 --> 02:53:28,720
Speaker 6: changes the way like thermal regulation of the whole planet works,

3457
02:53:28,879 --> 02:53:30,360
Speaker 6: and then it becomes this kind of cascating problem. And

3458
02:53:30,360 --> 02:53:31,800
Speaker 6: I feel like we're trying to get out in front

3459
02:53:31,840 --> 02:53:33,320
Speaker 6: of it before it happens. That every day that kind

3460
02:53:33,320 --> 02:53:34,680
Speaker 6: of feels less and less likely, at least for a

3461
02:53:34,720 --> 02:53:36,560
Speaker 6: lot of people like my age, And it can be

3462
02:53:36,600 --> 02:53:38,400
Speaker 6: a very doom and gloom scenario because you feel like

3463
02:53:38,600 --> 02:53:39,920
Speaker 6: no one's taking this problem seriously.

3464
02:53:40,000 --> 02:53:41,679
Speaker 2: Even Joe Biden's.

3465
02:53:41,320 --> 02:53:44,200
Speaker 6: Climate policy is very inadequate according to like a lot

3466
02:53:44,200 --> 02:53:45,600
Speaker 6: of a lot of the people that I talk to.

3467
02:53:46,160 --> 02:53:48,520
Speaker 6: I guess, see, like, how do you view like the

3468
02:53:48,600 --> 02:53:50,199
Speaker 6: scale of this problem right now.

3469
02:53:50,800 --> 02:53:53,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, climate change is the kind of environmental challenge of

3470
02:53:53,920 --> 02:53:55,840
Speaker 5: our time, right, it should be what you know, we're

3471
02:53:55,840 --> 02:53:58,640
Speaker 5: thinking about and focusing on when it comes to environmental policy.

3472
02:53:59,280 --> 02:54:01,000
Speaker 5: But I really think we need to kind of take

3473
02:54:01,000 --> 02:54:04,520
Speaker 5: a step back, and that kind of push for urgency

3474
02:54:04,680 --> 02:54:07,440
Speaker 5: hasn't gotten us anywhere to your point. You know, Joe

3475
02:54:07,440 --> 02:54:10,280
Speaker 5: Biden is kind of branding himself as the Climate President,

3476
02:54:10,360 --> 02:54:12,440
Speaker 5: but you know a lot of young people are unhappy

3477
02:54:12,480 --> 02:54:15,560
Speaker 5: with the platform that he's put forwards. So I think

3478
02:54:15,760 --> 02:54:18,560
Speaker 5: when you're talking about the timeline, we're talking about what

3479
02:54:18,600 --> 02:54:21,400
Speaker 5: we can do right now to kind of unleash American energy,

3480
02:54:21,440 --> 02:54:24,879
Speaker 5: to reduce American emissions, but also global emissions, and really

3481
02:54:24,879 --> 02:54:27,640
Speaker 5: think of this on a global scale. So that urgency

3482
02:54:27,680 --> 02:54:31,360
Speaker 5: piece isn't quite you know, realistic, or isn't quite what

3483
02:54:31,400 --> 02:54:32,960
Speaker 5: we want to focus on, because I don't think it

3484
02:54:33,040 --> 02:54:33,680
Speaker 5: leads to action.

3485
02:54:35,240 --> 02:54:37,080
Speaker 6: There's kind of two trains of thought in terms of

3486
02:54:37,080 --> 02:54:42,160
Speaker 6: like climate policy stuff. There's taking like adaptation roots right,

3487
02:54:42,200 --> 02:54:45,120
Speaker 6: trying to adapt to a changing environment that we're going

3488
02:54:45,200 --> 02:54:48,440
Speaker 6: to have to face it. It's going to happen versus mitigation. Right.

3489
02:54:48,480 --> 02:54:49,800
Speaker 6: For a while, we were trying to find ways to

3490
02:54:49,879 --> 02:54:52,480
Speaker 6: mitigate the problem, to kind of get ahead of it, right,

3491
02:54:52,760 --> 02:54:54,840
Speaker 6: and that is feeling less and less likely, and we

3492
02:54:54,879 --> 02:54:57,920
Speaker 6: are seeing more of these adaptive strategies getting adopted.

3493
02:54:58,000 --> 02:54:58,120
Speaker 2: Right.

3494
02:54:58,160 --> 02:55:00,080
Speaker 6: There's everything from like you know, people are trying to

3495
02:55:00,120 --> 02:55:03,520
Speaker 6: develop better carbon capture, which has its own problems as

3496
02:55:03,560 --> 02:55:07,440
Speaker 6: a technology, and you know, everything from like geoengineering even

3497
02:55:07,480 --> 02:55:10,520
Speaker 6: to like solar blockage. There's a lot of things that

3498
02:55:10,560 --> 02:55:12,600
Speaker 6: people are thinking, like, if we don't get like emissions

3499
02:55:12,640 --> 02:55:14,320
Speaker 6: under control, we're gonna have to go to similar more

3500
02:55:14,320 --> 02:55:16,560
Speaker 6: of as extreme measures. How much of your focus is

3501
02:55:16,600 --> 02:55:19,679
Speaker 6: on adapt developments versus just mitigation.

3502
02:55:20,280 --> 02:55:22,400
Speaker 5: Well, we definitely need both. To your point, we have

3503
02:55:22,480 --> 02:55:24,480
Speaker 5: to adapt to a change in climate, but we also

3504
02:55:24,680 --> 02:55:28,160
Speaker 5: need to be reducing emissions to kind of prevent future effects.

3505
02:55:28,200 --> 02:55:32,000
Speaker 5: So I think we kind of set a balance between

3506
02:55:32,040 --> 02:55:34,879
Speaker 5: adaptation and mitigation, and frankly, I think sometimes they can

3507
02:55:34,920 --> 02:55:37,440
Speaker 5: be really kind of connected and entwined. So something we

3508
02:55:37,480 --> 02:55:42,040
Speaker 5: focus on, for instance, is regenerative agriculture, which lowers emissions

3509
02:55:42,400 --> 02:55:45,200
Speaker 5: associated with agriculture but also helps the land kind of

3510
02:55:45,200 --> 02:55:47,560
Speaker 5: adjust to a change in climate, keeps the soil healthy,

3511
02:55:47,640 --> 02:55:49,760
Speaker 5: things like that. So I really think when we're talking

3512
02:55:49,840 --> 02:55:52,879
Speaker 5: about climate, we can talk about adaptation and mitigation kind

3513
02:55:52,879 --> 02:55:53,840
Speaker 5: of at the same time.

3514
02:55:54,440 --> 02:55:58,800
Speaker 6: How do you try to do outreach to a vast

3515
02:55:58,879 --> 02:56:02,280
Speaker 6: number of republic Conservatives who simply don't think this is

3516
02:56:02,280 --> 02:56:04,600
Speaker 6: a problem, who like just deny this as a problem.

3517
02:56:04,600 --> 02:56:06,200
Speaker 6: I think this is like a scam in some way.

3518
02:56:06,680 --> 02:56:08,920
Speaker 6: How do you try to tackle that, as you know,

3519
02:56:08,959 --> 02:56:12,440
Speaker 6: coming from a similarly like an also conservative position.

3520
02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:16,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean, we're here at the Republican National Convention,

3521
02:56:16,200 --> 02:56:18,200
Speaker 5: and it's been really interesting talking to a lot of

3522
02:56:18,200 --> 02:56:21,720
Speaker 5: folks from diverse backgrounds about the issue of climate and

3523
02:56:21,760 --> 02:56:25,320
Speaker 5: also environmental conservation. I really do think it matters how

3524
02:56:25,320 --> 02:56:28,280
Speaker 5: you start the conversation. We talked earlier about kind of

3525
02:56:28,320 --> 02:56:32,160
Speaker 5: our timeline of the legacy of conservative environmentalism. Starting there

3526
02:56:32,200 --> 02:56:34,400
Speaker 5: and talking about how we can carry on that legacy

3527
02:56:34,440 --> 02:56:36,680
Speaker 5: and how we can tackle kind of this environmental issue

3528
02:56:36,680 --> 02:56:39,400
Speaker 5: of our time has been really effective and we've gotten

3529
02:56:39,440 --> 02:56:42,800
Speaker 5: a lot of positive reception. You know, there's always going

3530
02:56:42,840 --> 02:56:45,480
Speaker 5: to be disagreement, there's always going to be detractors, but

3531
02:56:45,720 --> 02:56:48,160
Speaker 5: I do think that there's more and more of kind

3532
02:56:48,200 --> 02:56:50,320
Speaker 5: of that acceptance that we need to take care of

3533
02:56:50,320 --> 02:56:53,920
Speaker 5: our own backyard. And that includes, you know, tackling climate change.

3534
02:56:54,240 --> 02:56:55,880
Speaker 6: How much stuff do you end up having to you know,

3535
02:56:56,120 --> 02:56:58,160
Speaker 6: talk about or not necessarily focused on, but at least

3536
02:56:58,160 --> 02:57:01,400
Speaker 6: talk about like actual phosiphel missions, racking, these types of

3537
02:57:01,440 --> 02:57:03,240
Speaker 6: things that are like mainstays of politics because of how

3538
02:57:03,320 --> 02:57:06,400
Speaker 6: much money goes into them, but undeniably are a massive

3539
02:57:06,400 --> 02:57:08,959
Speaker 6: contributing factor. And we do need to move to probably

3540
02:57:09,000 --> 02:57:13,240
Speaker 6: some more nuclear options to forgive the expression, I guess,

3541
02:57:14,560 --> 02:57:16,800
Speaker 6: and you know as well as like a like a

3542
02:57:16,800 --> 02:57:19,440
Speaker 6: solar hydro which are you know, less good than nuclear

3543
02:57:19,440 --> 02:57:22,240
Speaker 6: on like a large scale. But like you know, especially

3544
02:57:22,280 --> 02:57:24,440
Speaker 6: for like the for the Republican Party trying to trying

3545
02:57:24,440 --> 02:57:26,560
Speaker 6: to point out certain things about how we will have

3546
02:57:26,600 --> 02:57:29,720
Speaker 6: to scale back some degree of fossil fuels, if not

3547
02:57:29,920 --> 02:57:32,440
Speaker 6: you know, a majority of it in the next twenty

3548
02:57:32,440 --> 02:57:34,360
Speaker 6: five years, if we want to, if we want to

3549
02:57:34,360 --> 02:57:36,959
Speaker 6: not have like a pretty bad scenario at least for

3550
02:57:37,080 --> 02:57:39,200
Speaker 6: not even just for humans, but for like animals in

3551
02:57:39,560 --> 02:57:40,560
Speaker 6: other parts of the environment.

3552
02:57:41,360 --> 02:57:42,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think that goes back to the all

3553
02:57:42,840 --> 02:57:46,360
Speaker 5: of the above energy approach and really diversifying our energy portfolio,

3554
02:57:46,360 --> 02:57:48,520
Speaker 5: which frankly is not only good for the environment, but

3555
02:57:48,560 --> 02:57:52,039
Speaker 5: good for energy security. We've seen you know, hacking of

3556
02:57:52,120 --> 02:57:57,240
Speaker 5: pipelines or other kind of cyber energy attacks. So by

3557
02:57:57,760 --> 02:58:00,360
Speaker 5: diversifying sources, we're really setting ourselves up to have a

3558
02:58:00,400 --> 02:58:03,039
Speaker 5: more secure energy grid. So I think there's other ways

3559
02:58:03,040 --> 02:58:06,080
Speaker 5: that you can talk about you know, environmental actions, climate

3560
02:58:06,120 --> 02:58:09,000
Speaker 5: actions that have co benefits, and we can talk about

3561
02:58:09,000 --> 02:58:11,120
Speaker 5: that in a really productive way with Republicans.

3562
02:58:11,680 --> 02:58:14,080
Speaker 6: Do you also focus on like local ecology efforts, like

3563
02:58:14,080 --> 02:58:17,600
Speaker 6: you know, like some of the more like Roosevelt style conservation.

3564
02:58:17,879 --> 02:58:19,120
Speaker 6: Is that something that you also kind of try to

3565
02:58:19,200 --> 02:58:21,360
Speaker 6: advocate for? Also, it's like an on ramch talk about

3566
02:58:21,360 --> 02:58:22,640
Speaker 6: these like broader climate issues.

3567
02:58:22,879 --> 02:58:25,040
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I love that framing that you used as kind

3568
02:58:25,040 --> 02:58:28,160
Speaker 5: of the entry point to climate issues. We have fifty

3569
02:58:28,240 --> 02:58:32,439
Speaker 5: thousand young members across the country in about one hundred branches,

3570
02:58:32,520 --> 02:58:36,120
Speaker 5: either on college campuses or in young professional communities, and

3571
02:58:36,160 --> 02:58:38,440
Speaker 5: they go out and they plant trees in their communities,

3572
02:58:38,480 --> 02:58:42,039
Speaker 5: They do park cleanups, they clean up a waterway, They

3573
02:58:42,040 --> 02:58:45,240
Speaker 5: have educational speakers to learn more about these issues. And

3574
02:58:45,280 --> 02:58:48,000
Speaker 5: we found that that's really really effective in building this

3575
02:58:48,080 --> 02:58:52,560
Speaker 5: conservative environmental movement and showing that these values are connected,

3576
02:58:52,560 --> 02:58:55,959
Speaker 5: they're compatible, and then that can lead to advocacy on

3577
02:58:56,000 --> 02:58:58,440
Speaker 5: the national level for things like we talked about nuclear

3578
02:58:58,560 --> 02:59:02,600
Speaker 5: energy or other clean energy sources, So that's been really

3579
02:59:02,600 --> 02:59:03,440
Speaker 5: effective for us.

3580
02:59:03,800 --> 02:59:06,600
Speaker 6: What would you like to see as a conservative climate

3581
02:59:06,600 --> 02:59:09,520
Speaker 6: policy in like ten years, Like what would you hope

3582
02:59:10,200 --> 02:59:14,039
Speaker 6: gets adopted to help curtail like, you know, these more

3583
02:59:14,080 --> 02:59:15,280
Speaker 6: catastrophic scenarios.

3584
02:59:15,800 --> 02:59:18,280
Speaker 5: Great question, and I would hope it perhaps a little

3585
02:59:18,320 --> 02:59:19,240
Speaker 5: bit earlier than ten.

3586
02:59:19,200 --> 02:59:23,760
Speaker 6: Years, absolutely, but I'm just based on how things have gone.

3587
02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:25,640
Speaker 5: Sure, So we have kind of a big three that

3588
02:59:25,640 --> 02:59:28,640
Speaker 5: we're focused on right now. Permitting reforms, so getting the

3589
02:59:28,680 --> 02:59:31,480
Speaker 5: government out of its own way, frankly, to fight climate change,

3590
02:59:31,480 --> 02:59:38,439
Speaker 5: and unleash American energy in the form of clean energy nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal, hydropower,

3591
02:59:38,959 --> 02:59:41,600
Speaker 5: and really kind of expand what we can build in

3592
02:59:41,600 --> 02:59:44,879
Speaker 5: this country. Again, nuclear energy is really one of the

3593
02:59:44,920 --> 02:59:47,680
Speaker 5: focuses for us because it's a baseload energy source that

3594
02:59:47,720 --> 02:59:50,760
Speaker 5: can run twenty four to seven, it's clean, and it's

3595
02:59:50,800 --> 02:59:54,320
Speaker 5: really secure. So we're really focused on nuclear. And then

3596
02:59:54,360 --> 02:59:57,080
Speaker 5: the last thing is American energy dominance. Here in the

3597
02:59:57,160 --> 03:00:00,640
Speaker 5: United States, we produce energy safer, cleaner, and more efficiently,

3598
03:00:01,360 --> 03:00:03,360
Speaker 5: and we really want to be a leader on the

3599
03:00:03,360 --> 03:00:04,920
Speaker 5: world stage. When it comes to energy.

3600
03:00:05,600 --> 03:00:07,400
Speaker 6: I think that there is a lot of people, both

3601
03:00:07,480 --> 03:00:10,720
Speaker 6: like you know, progressive Democrats who really care about this issue,

3602
03:00:10,840 --> 03:00:13,039
Speaker 6: as well as you know a lot of Republicans and

3603
03:00:13,320 --> 03:00:16,440
Speaker 6: liberals who have a lot of skepticism about nuclear energy,

3604
03:00:16,560 --> 03:00:20,680
Speaker 6: right for some good reasons. There have been some unfortunate

3605
03:00:20,680 --> 03:00:23,400
Speaker 6: events that have happened, and I know, like fission and

3606
03:00:23,440 --> 03:00:26,039
Speaker 6: fusion have been slowly getting better where I feel like

3607
03:00:26,040 --> 03:00:28,760
Speaker 6: we're close to some kind of breakthrough, but we do

3608
03:00:28,879 --> 03:00:30,880
Speaker 6: have like kind of a limited time. How do you

3609
03:00:30,920 --> 03:00:34,080
Speaker 6: approach kind of talking to people who have a level

3610
03:00:34,080 --> 03:00:36,320
Speaker 6: of like risk in terms of nuclear energy and like

3611
03:00:36,920 --> 03:00:39,959
Speaker 6: the possible dangers that it's had based on a few accidents,

3612
03:00:39,959 --> 03:00:41,840
Speaker 6: even though a lot of a lot of these plants

3613
03:00:41,840 --> 03:00:42,760
Speaker 6: are relatively safe.

3614
03:00:43,360 --> 03:00:45,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love this question. I grew up an hour

3615
03:00:45,160 --> 03:00:48,360
Speaker 5: south of Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania, so I have

3616
03:00:48,440 --> 03:00:51,680
Speaker 5: a lot of experience with nuclear skepticism. Look, I mean,

3617
03:00:52,320 --> 03:00:55,560
Speaker 5: nuclear energy is the safest and cleanest form that we

3618
03:00:55,720 --> 03:00:59,000
Speaker 5: have in our back pocket. Yes, there have been some

3619
03:00:59,160 --> 03:01:03,199
Speaker 5: unfortunate incident frankly, they're human error, and we understand nuclear

3620
03:01:03,240 --> 03:01:06,400
Speaker 5: power a lot better now. We have more safeguards in

3621
03:01:06,480 --> 03:01:11,000
Speaker 5: place since incidents like Chernobyl or Three Mile Island, and

3622
03:01:11,640 --> 03:01:16,200
Speaker 5: we haven't seen a nuclear meltdown that we were promised

3623
03:01:16,200 --> 03:01:18,840
Speaker 5: in the Simpsons or the China Syndrome or something like that.

3624
03:01:19,440 --> 03:01:23,840
Speaker 5: The fact is nuclear quote waste is really nuclear spent fuel,

3625
03:01:23,920 --> 03:01:26,920
Speaker 5: and we can recycle that and keep producing clean nuclear power.

3626
03:01:27,360 --> 03:01:30,760
Speaker 5: We have incredibly well trained nuclear experts at all of

3627
03:01:30,760 --> 03:01:34,600
Speaker 5: our power plants across the United States, and they produce clean,

3628
03:01:34,680 --> 03:01:38,320
Speaker 5: reliable energy for consumers all over the country. So we

3629
03:01:38,400 --> 03:01:41,160
Speaker 5: really need to kind of get over those messaging hurdles

3630
03:01:41,160 --> 03:01:43,080
Speaker 5: with nuclear and expand the industry here.

3631
03:01:43,840 --> 03:01:48,520
Speaker 6: What do you think will happen if your concerns go unheard?

3632
03:01:48,840 --> 03:01:51,840
Speaker 6: Like if this just doesn't this just does doesn't work.

3633
03:01:51,840 --> 03:01:54,200
Speaker 6: I think it's kind of continue at the scale and

3634
03:01:54,320 --> 03:01:57,200
Speaker 6: like a timeline they have been. What worries do you have?

3635
03:01:58,280 --> 03:02:03,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a really excess to to a question. Yeah,

3636
03:02:03,440 --> 03:02:06,320
Speaker 5: I mean, I think we're in the seven years since

3637
03:02:06,400 --> 03:02:09,439
Speaker 5: we've been founded, we're working really hard to build coalitions

3638
03:02:09,480 --> 03:02:11,680
Speaker 5: with a lot of different stakeholders and be heard by

3639
03:02:11,959 --> 03:02:15,560
Speaker 5: a lot of different folks in power, and frankly, I'm

3640
03:02:15,680 --> 03:02:19,120
Speaker 5: hopeful that we will, you know, pursue solutions to climate

3641
03:02:19,200 --> 03:02:21,440
Speaker 5: change that we will you know, for lack of a

3642
03:02:21,440 --> 03:02:24,920
Speaker 5: better term, get our act together and pursue these solutions.

3643
03:02:25,320 --> 03:02:27,000
Speaker 5: And really, I think the biggest thing that I like

3644
03:02:27,040 --> 03:02:29,520
Speaker 5: to focus on when it comes to climate advocacy is

3645
03:02:29,600 --> 03:02:32,320
Speaker 5: optimism and this idea that you know, the planet is

3646
03:02:32,360 --> 03:02:35,400
Speaker 5: our one common denominator and we can unite around that.

3647
03:02:36,400 --> 03:02:39,960
Speaker 5: And you know, already in Congress we've seen bipartisan legislation

3648
03:02:40,120 --> 03:02:44,039
Speaker 5: in a really polarizing time that focuses on climate. Probably

3649
03:02:44,040 --> 03:02:46,920
Speaker 5: the last big package in the one hundred and eighteenth

3650
03:02:46,920 --> 03:02:50,640
Speaker 5: Congress was a nuclear package to unleash next generation nuclears.

3651
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Speaker 5: So I know I'm not exactly answering your question, but

3652
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Speaker 5: I am extremely optimistic about the future.

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Speaker 6: Do you think there's a path towards some kind of

3654
03:02:57,720 --> 03:03:01,080
Speaker 6: bipartisan advocacy not just like the Senate, but also like

3655
03:03:01,080 --> 03:03:03,240
Speaker 6: in terms of like environmental movements and like protests. And

3656
03:03:03,320 --> 03:03:06,480
Speaker 6: obviously there's certain people who employ very theatrical tactics that

3657
03:03:06,640 --> 03:03:11,039
Speaker 6: maybe don't correlate to much improved means, But do you

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Speaker 6: see there's a possibility of, like, you know, a larger

3659
03:03:13,920 --> 03:03:16,120
Speaker 6: public call for action on this issue. I mean mean,

3660
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Speaker 6: something that we've covered on our show a while ago,

3661
03:03:18,760 --> 03:03:21,200
Speaker 6: is like will it take something like a general strike

3662
03:03:21,240 --> 03:03:23,560
Speaker 6: to even like get people to like realize like we

3663
03:03:23,959 --> 03:03:27,240
Speaker 6: need this to be done, Like not necessarily that option,

3664
03:03:27,320 --> 03:03:30,520
Speaker 6: but like do you see like a route towards more

3665
03:03:31,360 --> 03:03:35,879
Speaker 6: bipartisan activism and advocacy of this issue.

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03:03:36,120 --> 03:03:37,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question. We do a lot of

3667
03:03:38,000 --> 03:03:40,880
Speaker 5: bridge building work. I was actually in Los Angeles earlier

3668
03:03:40,920 --> 03:03:44,160
Speaker 5: this year with a group of conservative climate advocates and

3669
03:03:44,200 --> 03:03:47,600
Speaker 5: progressive climate advocates and we talked about solutions where there's

3670
03:03:47,640 --> 03:03:49,480
Speaker 5: common ground, and then we finished the day by doing

3671
03:03:49,520 --> 03:03:51,840
Speaker 5: a beach clean up together. So I really do think

3672
03:03:51,840 --> 03:03:53,879
Speaker 5: there's a lot of opportunity to kind of unite on

3673
03:03:53,879 --> 03:03:58,000
Speaker 5: this issue, especially in younger generations. When I talked about

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03:03:58,000 --> 03:04:00,640
Speaker 5: Hope earlier, they're the ones who really of me hope,

3675
03:04:00,959 --> 03:04:02,520
Speaker 5: and I think there's a lot of common ground that

3676
03:04:02,520 --> 03:04:03,480
Speaker 5: we can pursue together.

3677
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Speaker 6: That's all I had And unless you have any any

3678
03:04:05,840 --> 03:04:07,680
Speaker 6: other notes, who are points you wanted to mention?

3679
03:04:08,240 --> 03:04:10,120
Speaker 5: If you want to find ACC, you can find us

3680
03:04:10,120 --> 03:04:14,080
Speaker 5: at ACC dot e COO, or ACC Underscore National on

3681
03:04:14,120 --> 03:04:16,160
Speaker 5: social platforms. But that's it for me.

3682
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Speaker 6: Well, I hope that was slightly informative and now we

3683
03:04:20,640 --> 03:04:26,400
Speaker 6: will inform you about the Heritage Foundations private exclusive party

3684
03:04:27,040 --> 03:04:38,720
Speaker 6: after these messages. Okay, we are back.

3685
03:04:39,280 --> 03:04:41,360
Speaker 7: We are back, and we are ready to tell you,

3686
03:04:41,760 --> 03:04:47,080
Speaker 7: Oh five pigtails. Let us infiltrate famous hate group, the

3687
03:04:47,120 --> 03:04:50,240
Speaker 7: Heritage Foundations social house party.

3688
03:04:50,400 --> 03:04:52,280
Speaker 2: We got all up in the first off a lot

3689
03:04:52,280 --> 03:04:53,640
Speaker 2: of microwave grade food.

3690
03:04:54,080 --> 03:04:56,599
Speaker 6: It was the worst food we've had in all of Milwaukee.

3691
03:04:56,920 --> 03:04:59,600
Speaker 2: Was it Heritage and Foundation Great Meals?

3692
03:05:00,280 --> 03:05:03,640
Speaker 6: Yes, that is a very notable that the Heritage Foundation

3693
03:05:03,720 --> 03:05:06,040
Speaker 6: had the worst food that we've had this entire week.

3694
03:05:06,200 --> 03:05:06,840
Speaker 2: Not shocked.

3695
03:05:07,080 --> 03:05:09,600
Speaker 7: First of all, they let you two as well as

3696
03:05:09,600 --> 03:05:11,480
Speaker 7: another one of our friends come in off of my

3697
03:05:11,640 --> 03:05:15,000
Speaker 7: access code, which is very funny, and that we took

3698
03:05:15,200 --> 03:05:18,039
Speaker 7: one of the most hilarious photos we've ever taken together.

3699
03:05:18,680 --> 03:05:20,440
Speaker 2: And then we then we met with one of the

3700
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Speaker 2: producers the Daily Wire and watched him try to figure

3701
03:05:23,840 --> 03:05:26,640
Speaker 2: out who we are as I introduced him, funny name

3702
03:05:26,720 --> 03:05:29,080
Speaker 2: he was. He was just calculating, and then some lady

3703
03:05:29,120 --> 03:05:31,400
Speaker 2: came up and disrupted and we just fucking.

3704
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Speaker 6: You can see the little like thinking thing to do

3705
03:05:34,600 --> 03:05:35,640
Speaker 6: like third.

3706
03:05:35,360 --> 03:05:38,879
Speaker 7: Grade edition, and I wasn't the math was not mathing.

3707
03:05:38,600 --> 03:05:40,560
Speaker 6: It was like that one BABC Sherlock scene. He was

3708
03:05:40,560 --> 03:05:42,080
Speaker 6: trying to pull up he was trying to pull up

3709
03:05:42,120 --> 03:05:45,879
Speaker 6: the files. Yes, didn't work, didn't work, didn't have enough time.

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Speaker 6: We stayed in that party, Robert, you seen that party

3711
03:05:48,480 --> 03:05:49,360
Speaker 6: for like five straight hours.

3712
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Speaker 2: I was there for a long time. For every drink

3713
03:05:51,680 --> 03:05:53,480
Speaker 2: I wanted to drink, I would order another and just

3714
03:05:53,520 --> 03:05:56,080
Speaker 2: pour it out because I wanted. I wanted to make

3715
03:05:56,120 --> 03:05:58,679
Speaker 2: them spend the money. It was going to go somewhere.

3716
03:05:58,280 --> 03:06:00,640
Speaker 6: Free for us, but not free for them. So as

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Speaker 6: Robert was was schmoosion with the Heritage Foundation attendees, guys

3718
03:06:06,480 --> 03:06:09,600
Speaker 6: mean Sophie went into the convention center to hear some speeches,

3719
03:06:09,959 --> 03:06:12,879
Speaker 6: and most of them today honestly pretty boring, and even

3720
03:06:13,240 --> 03:06:15,400
Speaker 6: even in the notable ones were also kind of boring.

3721
03:06:15,720 --> 03:06:18,080
Speaker 6: The one I guess we'll talk about just very briefly

3722
03:06:18,160 --> 03:06:20,879
Speaker 6: is Don Junior's speech. First, he brought out his daughter,

3723
03:06:20,959 --> 03:06:21,920
Speaker 6: Trump's granddaughter.

3724
03:06:22,040 --> 03:06:23,400
Speaker 7: Before you get to that, do you want to go

3725
03:06:23,400 --> 03:06:24,800
Speaker 7: over what the theme of the day was.

3726
03:06:25,560 --> 03:06:31,600
Speaker 6: No, I mean maybe we can, we can mention it.

3727
03:06:31,640 --> 03:06:33,320
Speaker 6: I don't feel how relevant it was to any of

3728
03:06:33,320 --> 03:06:35,720
Speaker 6: the speeches. It was just make America strong. It was

3729
03:06:36,680 --> 03:06:39,400
Speaker 6: strong once again. Sorry, once again.

3730
03:06:39,959 --> 03:06:41,800
Speaker 2: Interesting that they didn't want to sound out Massa.

3731
03:06:42,560 --> 03:06:46,920
Speaker 7: You know. Anyways, I guess, I guess it's really not

3732
03:06:46,959 --> 03:06:49,800
Speaker 7: that relevant. I just just to point out that on

3733
03:06:49,879 --> 03:06:53,800
Speaker 7: the previous days for the different themes, there was very

3734
03:06:53,840 --> 03:06:55,840
Speaker 7: intricate backgrounds that were up.

3735
03:06:56,080 --> 03:06:58,800
Speaker 6: They didn't know anything strong again, they.

3736
03:06:58,640 --> 03:07:01,800
Speaker 7: Were like, so they phoned it the fucking yeah, and

3737
03:07:01,840 --> 03:07:05,039
Speaker 7: there was no interesting background anyways, Garrett, what were you saying?

3738
03:07:05,360 --> 03:07:11,160
Speaker 6: So Donald Trump Junior's daughter, So Trump, the actual real

3739
03:07:11,200 --> 03:07:16,160
Speaker 6: ones granddaughter gave this little this little speechman to humanize her.

3740
03:07:16,200 --> 03:07:20,800
Speaker 7: Grand Grandpa is a nice guy, calls me and asks

3741
03:07:20,879 --> 03:07:21,920
Speaker 7: me how I am.

3742
03:07:22,240 --> 03:07:26,000
Speaker 6: That was basically the speech, which is lovely. Is sure?

3743
03:07:26,080 --> 03:07:26,440
Speaker 6: Why not?

3744
03:07:26,800 --> 03:07:29,240
Speaker 7: It was her first speech. I don't think any of

3745
03:07:29,280 --> 03:07:32,160
Speaker 7: the other grandchildren have given speeches before.

3746
03:07:32,240 --> 03:07:34,160
Speaker 6: No, this is kind of the first appearance of one

3747
03:07:34,200 --> 03:07:35,280
Speaker 6: of Trump's grandkids.

3748
03:07:35,360 --> 03:07:38,640
Speaker 7: Yes, And the way it was framed is don Junior

3749
03:07:38,680 --> 03:07:41,200
Speaker 7: came up and then was like she just called me.

3750
03:07:41,720 --> 03:07:45,080
Speaker 7: It was very intentionally propaganda's It was also.

3751
03:07:44,879 --> 03:07:47,240
Speaker 6: The most happy I've seen Trump this entire week.

3752
03:07:47,280 --> 03:07:50,840
Speaker 2: Though he might actually care about his granddaughter.

3753
03:07:50,480 --> 03:07:52,840
Speaker 6: Yes, definitely more than his son had.

3754
03:07:52,840 --> 03:07:54,039
Speaker 2: It would be hard to care less.

3755
03:07:54,320 --> 03:07:56,480
Speaker 7: I'm not sure how much they've they've shown it on TV,

3756
03:07:56,760 --> 03:07:58,600
Speaker 7: but you know, I had a view of him the

3757
03:07:58,800 --> 03:08:00,879
Speaker 7: entire night tonight right from where I was sitting. I

3758
03:08:00,879 --> 03:08:02,840
Speaker 7: was an angle where I can see his face, and

3759
03:08:02,879 --> 03:08:04,680
Speaker 7: they showed his face on the screen a bunch, and

3760
03:08:04,720 --> 03:08:10,320
Speaker 7: he was genuinely stoic. I would say he smiled for

3761
03:08:10,440 --> 03:08:14,800
Speaker 7: his granddaughter definitely the most, and maybe once sturring Kimberly

3762
03:08:14,840 --> 03:08:18,200
Speaker 7: Gilfoyle's speech at the very end, But other than that,

3763
03:08:18,560 --> 03:08:21,360
Speaker 7: I did not see much emotion from him today, and

3764
03:08:21,400 --> 03:08:23,160
Speaker 7: it was pretty similar to the rest of the week.

3765
03:08:23,200 --> 03:08:24,760
Speaker 2: I think, you again, you have to keep in mind

3766
03:08:24,800 --> 03:08:27,520
Speaker 2: with him whatever I mean, we hate him. He's a

3767
03:08:27,520 --> 03:08:31,560
Speaker 2: bad man, he's a monster, would be the worst possible

3768
03:08:31,640 --> 03:08:35,240
Speaker 2: president we could have. But he's also a person who

3769
03:08:35,280 --> 03:08:38,039
Speaker 2: got shot and he's traumatized, you know, and like you

3770
03:08:38,080 --> 03:08:41,120
Speaker 2: don't have to like make up excuses for that. Like

3771
03:08:41,160 --> 03:08:43,640
Speaker 2: he is a human being who is scared because a

3772
03:08:43,680 --> 03:08:46,920
Speaker 2: man shot him in the head, and that's really not

3773
03:08:47,520 --> 03:08:50,160
Speaker 2: a complicated thing to diagnose.

3774
03:08:50,600 --> 03:08:53,000
Speaker 6: So after the granddaughter gave her a little spiel, Trump

3775
03:08:53,120 --> 03:08:56,360
Speaker 6: Junior himself had a little speech that he was basically

3776
03:08:56,440 --> 03:08:58,200
Speaker 6: just doing an impression of his father for the.

3777
03:08:58,280 --> 03:09:00,440
Speaker 2: Entire time dog shit impreson.

3778
03:09:00,480 --> 03:09:03,240
Speaker 6: It's not a very good impression, but compared to Vans

3779
03:09:03,280 --> 03:09:05,119
Speaker 6: it was still it was very impressive.

3780
03:09:05,400 --> 03:09:06,440
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a second.

3781
03:09:06,440 --> 03:09:09,199
Speaker 7: I will say the crowd did really, really.

3782
03:09:09,160 --> 03:09:11,000
Speaker 6: He seemed to like him. There was chance of you know,

3783
03:09:11,560 --> 03:09:13,119
Speaker 6: Trump Junior twenty twenty eight.

3784
03:09:13,520 --> 03:09:16,080
Speaker 2: It reminded me of when I was at my first

3785
03:09:16,120 --> 03:09:19,279
Speaker 2: Trump rally. This would have been in the late spring,

3786
03:09:19,320 --> 03:09:25,320
Speaker 2: early summer of twenty sixteen, when fucking Chris Christie conceded

3787
03:09:25,360 --> 03:09:28,520
Speaker 2: to Trump. There was a British naturalized citizen in the

3788
03:09:28,520 --> 03:09:31,440
Speaker 2: crowd of the rally, and I was like, you want

3789
03:09:31,480 --> 03:09:33,440
Speaker 2: him to be president for eight years? And he was like, well,

3790
03:09:33,440 --> 03:09:35,440
Speaker 2: I wanted to be president for eight years to start,

3791
03:09:35,520 --> 03:09:37,959
Speaker 2: And I was like, to start, what happens next? He's like, well,

3792
03:09:38,000 --> 03:09:40,960
Speaker 2: he's got three kids, doesn't he. Then he like walked

3793
03:09:40,959 --> 03:09:44,000
Speaker 2: through his basic plan for Trump to have a dynasty

3794
03:09:44,120 --> 03:09:47,199
Speaker 2: like the royal family. And I wish I had said,

3795
03:09:47,520 --> 03:09:51,279
Speaker 2: go back home, go back home to your fucking country

3796
03:09:51,280 --> 03:09:53,520
Speaker 2: with your goddamn royal family. We don't have that here,

3797
03:09:53,600 --> 03:09:54,720
Speaker 2: but we might. They wanted it.

3798
03:09:54,879 --> 03:09:58,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, late here the idea of the King's becoming increasingly popular.

3799
03:09:58,800 --> 03:10:02,199
Speaker 7: You have never told me that story, and I am well,

3800
03:10:02,200 --> 03:10:02,520
Speaker 7: thank you.

3801
03:10:02,520 --> 03:10:04,160
Speaker 2: I got great audio of that guy.

3802
03:10:04,280 --> 03:10:07,640
Speaker 7: Thank you so much. That is going to haut me tonight. Garrisden.

3803
03:10:07,720 --> 03:10:09,720
Speaker 6: What else, Yeah, I mean Trum Junior had a few

3804
03:10:09,760 --> 03:10:13,000
Speaker 6: funny lines, making fun of build back Better, making some

3805
03:10:13,080 --> 03:10:14,320
Speaker 6: corn pop jokes mad a.

3806
03:10:14,280 --> 03:10:19,720
Speaker 7: Corn pop joke, the cookes in the bulbit, very funny.

3807
03:10:20,240 --> 03:10:22,160
Speaker 6: The one line I do want to mention is that

3808
03:10:22,200 --> 03:10:25,120
Speaker 6: he talked about how the left wants to use the

3809
03:10:25,160 --> 03:10:29,560
Speaker 6: First Amendment to show kids explicit drag shows, but they

3810
03:10:29,600 --> 03:10:32,360
Speaker 6: want to put you into jail for making a meme,

3811
03:10:32,800 --> 03:10:35,359
Speaker 6: something that has never happened, not a single.

3812
03:10:35,080 --> 03:10:38,280
Speaker 2: Time, not once, not one. They barely put people into

3813
03:10:38,320 --> 03:10:41,320
Speaker 2: jail for assaulting the capital. Yeah.

3814
03:10:41,360 --> 03:10:44,440
Speaker 6: So that was most of his speech. We then heard

3815
03:10:44,600 --> 03:10:50,360
Speaker 6: from Vance's wife, who gave a typical Vice first lady speech.

3816
03:10:50,400 --> 03:10:54,160
Speaker 6: It wasn't notable. And then we heard from Vance himself,

3817
03:10:54,280 --> 03:10:57,520
Speaker 6: the the the hopeful future vice president.

3818
03:10:57,760 --> 03:10:59,760
Speaker 7: What sorry, I was taking a nap.

3819
03:11:00,320 --> 03:11:02,600
Speaker 6: Wait, Sophia, soay, wake up, wake up, we're recording a

3820
03:11:02,640 --> 03:11:03,280
Speaker 6: podcast here.

3821
03:11:03,320 --> 03:11:03,480
Speaker 2: Wow.

3822
03:11:03,720 --> 03:11:06,879
Speaker 7: Sorry, Just the sound of Jdbans's name put me right

3823
03:11:06,879 --> 03:11:07,320
Speaker 7: to sleep.

3824
03:11:07,959 --> 03:11:11,199
Speaker 6: He gave what I would describe and people have since

3825
03:11:11,240 --> 03:11:14,080
Speaker 6: described it's kind of a bad speech slop.

3826
03:11:14,240 --> 03:11:16,680
Speaker 2: You guys were in the stadium. I was sitting at

3827
03:11:16,680 --> 03:11:19,039
Speaker 2: the Heritage finn Ocean party on an upper roof dome.

3828
03:11:19,160 --> 03:11:19,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, what'd they think?

3829
03:11:19,959 --> 03:11:22,360
Speaker 2: There were three people during most of it, and then

3830
03:11:22,440 --> 03:11:25,400
Speaker 2: like four others filtered in. When those guys left, every

3831
03:11:25,440 --> 03:11:28,000
Speaker 2: single one of them was disappointed. The only guy who

3832
03:11:28,160 --> 03:11:30,760
Speaker 2: liked it was a Fox News reporter, and when he left,

3833
03:11:30,840 --> 03:11:33,440
Speaker 2: the people who had been like, well he was okay,

3834
03:11:33,600 --> 03:11:35,840
Speaker 2: said well, I hate that I had to lie in

3835
03:11:35,840 --> 03:11:38,160
Speaker 2: front of that guy, but he was media. I was

3836
03:11:38,240 --> 03:11:40,560
Speaker 2: kind of just sitting on my phone pretending to be

3837
03:11:40,640 --> 03:11:43,800
Speaker 2: texting and listening to them, so they didn't really notice me.

3838
03:11:43,879 --> 03:11:47,080
Speaker 2: But the ultimate feeling that they expressed repeatedly was that

3839
03:11:47,200 --> 03:11:50,640
Speaker 2: was really disappointing. It was really boring. It was really long.

3840
03:11:51,240 --> 03:11:53,720
Speaker 2: He is not a great speaker. There was one guy

3841
03:11:53,800 --> 03:11:56,560
Speaker 2: who repeatedly said, I don't like that his wife isn't white.

3842
03:11:56,600 --> 03:11:59,280
Speaker 2: I wish his wife was white. And then there was

3843
03:11:59,320 --> 03:12:02,040
Speaker 2: a guy who was kind of a more libertarian of

3844
03:12:02,120 --> 03:12:04,400
Speaker 2: the Republican Party who I had chatted with, who came

3845
03:12:04,440 --> 03:12:07,080
Speaker 2: in and like sat down to have a drink, and

3846
03:12:07,840 --> 03:12:10,360
Speaker 2: you know, was expressing that he liked Vance's speech. And

3847
03:12:10,360 --> 03:12:12,680
Speaker 2: the guy said, what are you a Cuban? And the

3848
03:12:12,720 --> 03:12:14,960
Speaker 2: guy said no, and he's like, well, you're not white.

3849
03:12:15,360 --> 03:12:18,200
Speaker 6: So that was great, amazing stuff happening in the Heritage

3850
03:12:18,240 --> 03:12:19,560
Speaker 6: Foundation private party.

3851
03:12:19,560 --> 03:12:21,800
Speaker 2: The Foundation party was was a good time.

3852
03:12:21,959 --> 03:12:25,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is something I was even seeing in

3853
03:12:25,560 --> 03:12:28,039
Speaker 6: the convention people there. You know, there was there was

3854
03:12:28,040 --> 03:12:31,680
Speaker 6: some like you know, respectful clapping, but people weren't super

3855
03:12:31,680 --> 03:12:33,800
Speaker 6: into it, at least in the sections that we were at.

3856
03:12:34,040 --> 03:12:35,840
Speaker 6: The lady sitting next to me, he was, you know,

3857
03:12:35,959 --> 03:12:39,000
Speaker 6: just like a Republican woman her maybe fifties or sixties,

3858
03:12:39,080 --> 03:12:42,320
Speaker 6: very very lucid, kind of just like kept dozing off

3859
03:12:42,400 --> 03:12:44,280
Speaker 6: just because she was so bored, not like because she

3860
03:12:44,320 --> 03:12:45,640
Speaker 6: was sleepy, just because she was bored.

3861
03:12:45,720 --> 03:12:46,520
Speaker 2: Wasn't a good speech.

3862
03:12:46,840 --> 03:12:50,040
Speaker 7: No, She looks at me and she said, he's so dry.

3863
03:12:50,600 --> 03:12:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3864
03:12:50,920 --> 03:12:53,240
Speaker 6: So at a certain point I just I just kind

3865
03:12:53,240 --> 03:12:56,320
Speaker 6: of whispered to Sophie, like, wow, Vance is a really

3866
03:12:56,400 --> 03:12:59,080
Speaker 6: dry speaker. And she kin she kind of like nodded

3867
03:12:59,120 --> 03:13:02,160
Speaker 6: awake and and started and started started like nodding her

3868
03:13:02,200 --> 03:13:04,879
Speaker 6: head in agreement and repeated the same thing to us.

3869
03:13:04,920 --> 03:13:07,720
Speaker 6: And I asked her, you know, like, well, who do

3870
03:13:07,720 --> 03:13:11,480
Speaker 6: you think would have been a better pick? And she said, well,

3871
03:13:12,120 --> 03:13:14,800
Speaker 6: I don't know. I just expected Advance to be a

3872
03:13:14,800 --> 03:13:18,520
Speaker 6: better rhetorical speaker. And that was all she would say.

3873
03:13:18,920 --> 03:13:20,880
Speaker 6: And I feel like that was kind of generally the vibe.

3874
03:13:20,920 --> 03:13:23,800
Speaker 6: Like something else. I noticed that he was like, actually, okay,

3875
03:13:23,840 --> 03:13:25,800
Speaker 6: and you know, the certain things he was talking about,

3876
03:13:25,800 --> 03:13:27,400
Speaker 6: you know what he was actually saying, you know, there

3877
03:13:27,400 --> 03:13:29,480
Speaker 6: were certain things that were interesting. It was more like

3878
03:13:29,520 --> 03:13:31,760
Speaker 6: the way he was saying it. It was it was specifically.

3879
03:13:32,080 --> 03:13:34,760
Speaker 6: He had no ability to do crowd work. He was

3880
03:13:34,800 --> 03:13:36,959
Speaker 6: just reading out the teleprompter and kind of doing a

3881
03:13:37,000 --> 03:13:39,600
Speaker 6: slight smile every thirty seconds, and that's all was. He

3882
03:13:39,640 --> 03:13:42,119
Speaker 6: wasn't actually really seriously engaging people.

3883
03:13:42,120 --> 03:13:44,480
Speaker 2: Make fun of the bits where Trump dances or whatever

3884
03:13:44,560 --> 03:13:46,760
Speaker 2: his little moves, but those play those work.

3885
03:13:47,240 --> 03:13:49,720
Speaker 6: Even like pointing out people using gestures kind of anything

3886
03:13:49,720 --> 03:13:52,000
Speaker 6: to connect you to the audience. Vance was just so

3887
03:13:52,320 --> 03:13:53,720
Speaker 6: was so dry, was so plain.

3888
03:13:54,120 --> 03:13:56,600
Speaker 7: I think the biggest action from his speech was just

3889
03:13:56,680 --> 03:13:58,120
Speaker 7: the people in the crowd who liked to chant.

3890
03:13:58,320 --> 03:14:01,440
Speaker 2: We were just really into chanting to chant ted Cruz gave

3891
03:14:01,520 --> 03:14:04,240
Speaker 2: him a great He like that. He kind of lost

3892
03:14:04,360 --> 03:14:06,720
Speaker 2: them early in his speech the night before and won

3893
03:14:06,760 --> 03:14:09,560
Speaker 2: them back because he gave them a chance to chair

3894
03:14:09,600 --> 03:14:12,360
Speaker 2: repeatedly went through they like that, they like to chat,

3895
03:14:12,560 --> 03:14:13,360
Speaker 2: they're chanters.

3896
03:14:13,680 --> 03:14:15,800
Speaker 7: Want to give us some of the chanting highlightscare.

3897
03:14:16,000 --> 03:14:19,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, so he was definitely leaning into like his hillbilly

3898
03:14:20,080 --> 03:14:21,879
Speaker 6: or faux hillbilly background.

3899
03:14:22,200 --> 03:14:24,959
Speaker 2: Motherfucker, sorry, your parents made one hundred and seventy five

3900
03:14:25,000 --> 03:14:27,800
Speaker 2: thousand goddamn dollars a year speaking to somebody who grew

3901
03:14:27,840 --> 03:14:31,600
Speaker 2: up in a fucking rural ass Oklahoma, like fucking carpetbagger.

3902
03:14:32,040 --> 03:14:33,959
Speaker 6: That was what he was using for most of his speech.

3903
03:14:34,240 --> 03:14:37,480
Speaker 6: He was he was telling stories about the woman who

3904
03:14:37,600 --> 03:14:40,880
Speaker 6: raised him when his own mom was dealing with addiction,

3905
03:14:41,000 --> 03:14:42,640
Speaker 6: who he referred to as his.

3906
03:14:42,640 --> 03:14:45,840
Speaker 2: Mem uh huh and fucking god damn it.

3907
03:14:46,120 --> 03:14:48,720
Speaker 6: The first big chant I took note of is he

3908
03:14:48,760 --> 03:14:51,800
Speaker 6: told a story about how he was hanging out when

3909
03:14:51,800 --> 03:14:53,120
Speaker 6: he was like a kid or like a teen. He

3910
03:14:53,160 --> 03:14:55,320
Speaker 6: was hanging out with someone who was known to be

3911
03:14:55,360 --> 03:14:58,920
Speaker 6: like a local drug dealer, and his mem told him

3912
03:14:59,160 --> 03:15:02,320
Speaker 6: that if she saw him hanging out with that guy again,

3913
03:15:02,640 --> 03:15:05,000
Speaker 6: she was going to run him over in a truck

3914
03:15:05,240 --> 03:15:07,560
Speaker 6: run over the drug dealer and no one's gonna find

3915
03:15:07,600 --> 03:15:10,440
Speaker 6: out about it, and the crowd ate this up. They

3916
03:15:10,440 --> 03:15:13,520
Speaker 6: started chanting, me ma, me ma, So they were they

3917
03:15:13,520 --> 03:15:16,240
Speaker 6: weren't chanting about killing this drug dealer, right, they were

3918
03:15:16,440 --> 03:15:18,800
Speaker 6: chanting about murdering. They're murdering this drug dealer.

3919
03:15:18,920 --> 03:15:21,400
Speaker 2: Jd Vance never met a drug dealer in his fucking life.

3920
03:15:21,440 --> 03:15:22,160
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that one.

3921
03:15:22,240 --> 03:15:24,720
Speaker 6: So that was the first one. And the next little

3922
03:15:24,720 --> 03:15:27,040
Speaker 6: Bema story he told is that when she was a

3923
03:15:27,080 --> 03:15:31,720
Speaker 6: little bit older. He said that after she died, they

3924
03:15:31,800 --> 03:15:36,200
Speaker 6: found nineteen loaded handguns all over her house and they

3925
03:15:36,280 --> 03:15:39,039
Speaker 6: realized it's because she wasn't able to move very fast,

3926
03:15:39,600 --> 03:15:42,600
Speaker 6: so she always wanted a gun no matter where she was.

3927
03:15:42,640 --> 03:15:44,280
Speaker 6: She wanted to be in armslength the gun, whether that

3928
03:15:44,360 --> 03:15:47,360
Speaker 6: be in the cutlery drawer, by the TV remote, under

3929
03:15:47,360 --> 03:15:52,720
Speaker 6: the bed, because she wanted to protect her family even

3930
03:15:52,760 --> 03:15:56,000
Speaker 6: though she was old. And this this led into another

3931
03:15:56,120 --> 03:15:59,879
Speaker 6: another chance, specifically the nineteen loaded handguns just again went

3932
03:16:00,080 --> 03:16:02,960
Speaker 6: the crowd ate that up, and the crowd even sort

3933
03:16:02,959 --> 03:16:05,440
Speaker 6: of just chanting about how good they were at chanting.

3934
03:16:05,720 --> 03:16:08,840
Speaker 6: It became very self referential, very like patting yourself on

3935
03:16:08,879 --> 03:16:09,400
Speaker 6: the back.

3936
03:16:09,240 --> 03:16:11,320
Speaker 2: For chanting money. These people love chanting.

3937
03:16:11,600 --> 03:16:14,240
Speaker 6: And yeah, that was that was. That was most events

3938
03:16:14,320 --> 03:16:17,040
Speaker 6: is speech. It wasn't very good, it was too long.

3939
03:16:17,560 --> 03:16:21,000
Speaker 6: Almost unanimously people at the Heritage Foundation party did not

3940
03:16:21,240 --> 03:16:22,440
Speaker 6: like it. So they did not get that.

3941
03:16:24,760 --> 03:16:28,760
Speaker 2: One pseudo positive, which was the Fox News journalist.

3942
03:16:28,320 --> 03:16:30,800
Speaker 6: Who I'm sure is contractually obligated to like it.

3943
03:16:30,920 --> 03:16:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and who the people there made fun

3944
03:16:33,480 --> 03:16:34,200
Speaker 2: of when he left.

3945
03:16:34,400 --> 03:16:34,600
Speaker 6: Yes.

3946
03:16:34,760 --> 03:16:35,000
Speaker 2: Well.

3947
03:16:35,320 --> 03:16:38,120
Speaker 6: We talked to a campaign manager earlier at the at

3948
03:16:38,160 --> 03:16:41,160
Speaker 6: the Heritage Party just regarding kind of the race in general,

3949
03:16:41,200 --> 03:16:45,360
Speaker 6: mentioning stuff about the upcoming vice presidential debates, which the

3950
03:16:45,400 --> 03:16:47,440
Speaker 6: Trump Badman put out a statement saying they don't want

3951
03:16:47,440 --> 03:16:49,320
Speaker 6: to lock down any details on this until they actually

3952
03:16:49,360 --> 03:16:51,880
Speaker 6: know who the vice president's going to be sold on that,

3953
03:16:51,959 --> 03:16:54,119
Speaker 6: which is a good piece of propaganda and so and

3954
03:16:54,160 --> 03:16:56,280
Speaker 6: we were talking about that and and bringing it up

3955
03:16:56,320 --> 03:16:58,360
Speaker 6: to some of these people at the Heritage Party, like

3956
03:16:58,440 --> 03:17:01,480
Speaker 6: who do you think actually is going to be Democratic nominee?

3957
03:17:02,040 --> 03:17:04,200
Speaker 6: Many of them did not believe it was going to

3958
03:17:04,200 --> 03:17:07,320
Speaker 6: be Joe Biden. Many of them thought that it either

3959
03:17:07,440 --> 03:17:11,000
Speaker 6: could be an unknown candidate at this point or more

3960
03:17:11,120 --> 03:17:13,760
Speaker 6: likely probably kamalaw And this is something that I've been

3961
03:17:13,760 --> 03:17:17,240
Speaker 6: noticing is that every time in these speeches where they're

3962
03:17:17,280 --> 03:17:20,760
Speaker 6: talking about Joe Biden's policies, they're not just saying Joe Biden,

3963
03:17:20,840 --> 03:17:25,320
Speaker 6: They're saying Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's, well, well, Kamala

3964
03:17:25,480 --> 03:17:29,520
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris in one instance, Kamala Harris's policies. So they

3965
03:17:29,520 --> 03:17:32,640
Speaker 6: are already preparing to start shifting their rhetoric onto kamalaw

3966
03:17:32,959 --> 03:17:35,840
Speaker 6: That is something that the opposition's already planning to do.

3967
03:17:36,280 --> 03:17:39,120
Speaker 6: And you know, as as of today, which is which

3968
03:17:39,160 --> 03:17:43,440
Speaker 6: is Wednesday night, we've heard that both Biden made announcements

3969
03:17:43,440 --> 03:17:45,200
Speaker 6: in the same day that he would step down if

3970
03:17:45,240 --> 03:17:48,000
Speaker 6: he was to face this serious medical diagnosis, and he

3971
03:17:48,040 --> 03:17:48,800
Speaker 6: also got COVID.

3972
03:17:48,800 --> 03:17:51,680
Speaker 2: The same the look on your face when we told

3973
03:17:51,720 --> 03:17:56,280
Speaker 2: you that Joe Biden had COVID, you were you were thrilled. Okay,

3974
03:17:56,320 --> 03:18:00,760
Speaker 2: well we shouldn't say that either. Anyway.

3975
03:18:01,000 --> 03:18:04,000
Speaker 6: That is kind of a brief glimpse into the Heritage

3976
03:18:04,000 --> 03:18:07,520
Speaker 6: Foundation party. I guess that the vibes were more similar

3977
03:18:07,800 --> 03:18:10,360
Speaker 6: to what is I think well known now as the

3978
03:18:10,480 --> 03:18:13,400
Speaker 6: least good episode of The Boys, that private Tech night

3979
03:18:13,520 --> 03:18:17,840
Speaker 6: party combined with like a frat, a frat bro bar hop.

3980
03:18:17,959 --> 03:18:20,959
Speaker 2: What I'll say about this is they had an EDM

3981
03:18:21,080 --> 03:18:25,080
Speaker 2: track set to Country Road Take Me Home. I will

3982
03:18:25,120 --> 03:18:28,840
Speaker 2: say that like if you were to, if you were

3983
03:18:28,879 --> 03:18:32,160
Speaker 2: to put that side by side with the plane crash

3984
03:18:32,240 --> 03:18:34,760
Speaker 2: that killed the author of that song, I think he

3985
03:18:34,800 --> 03:18:37,320
Speaker 2: would agree with you. This party was worse.

3986
03:18:38,400 --> 03:18:41,400
Speaker 7: One worth thing I wanted to note was I did

3987
03:18:41,400 --> 03:18:43,440
Speaker 7: not go to the party for seven hundred hours like

3988
03:18:43,480 --> 03:18:45,640
Speaker 7: the two of you. I went home after all the

3989
03:18:45,680 --> 03:18:48,320
Speaker 7: speeches home. I went back to the hotel, after all

3990
03:18:48,360 --> 03:18:48,800
Speaker 7: the speeches.

3991
03:18:49,000 --> 03:18:50,280
Speaker 2: That country road take you home.

3992
03:18:50,480 --> 03:18:52,480
Speaker 7: That country road took me home to a place you belonged.

3993
03:18:52,760 --> 03:18:55,680
Speaker 7: And I had a very very very nice lift driver. Sir,

3994
03:18:55,800 --> 03:18:58,480
Speaker 7: if you're if you buy a sub chance listen to podcasts.

3995
03:18:58,520 --> 03:19:00,800
Speaker 7: You were very nice. Thank you. After what was a

3996
03:19:00,959 --> 03:19:04,520
Speaker 7: very loud day, there was a guy holding a rest

3997
03:19:04,600 --> 03:19:09,240
Speaker 7: in peace sign with the photo of the guy who

3998
03:19:09,520 --> 03:19:13,120
Speaker 7: attempted to assassinate the president, with the caption and American

3999
03:19:13,200 --> 03:19:15,840
Speaker 7: hero great stuff. Yes, I took a photo of it.

4000
03:19:16,280 --> 03:19:18,880
Speaker 7: And the amount of people leaving the R and C

4001
03:19:19,360 --> 03:19:25,080
Speaker 7: that just shouted their worst many slurs at him were countless.

4002
03:19:25,120 --> 03:19:28,959
Speaker 7: And I don't know if anything else happened further after that,

4003
03:19:29,400 --> 03:19:31,160
Speaker 7: but very strange choice.

4004
03:19:31,560 --> 03:19:32,560
Speaker 6: That is an interesting move.

4005
03:19:32,640 --> 03:19:35,279
Speaker 2: All I know is that based on the last postings

4006
03:19:35,520 --> 03:19:41,080
Speaker 2: of the victim of that shooting, Corey Comparatour, he'll get

4007
03:19:41,120 --> 03:19:43,400
Speaker 2: over it. The Japanese dead.

4008
03:19:43,760 --> 03:19:48,280
Speaker 6: Well, anyway, that wraps up our coverage this week of

4009
03:19:48,320 --> 03:19:51,480
Speaker 6: the Republican National Convention. We will lead next week with

4010
03:19:51,600 --> 03:19:55,920
Speaker 6: Trump's first public speech since the shooting. That'll be dropping

4011
03:19:55,959 --> 03:19:56,600
Speaker 6: Sunday night.

4012
03:19:56,720 --> 03:19:59,920
Speaker 2: Maybe just a little bit of mayor rudy, little sprink

4013
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:02,920
Speaker 2: I'll seeze in some rudy as a tree. Some squeeze

4014
03:20:02,959 --> 03:20:05,480
Speaker 2: in like like he squeezed out some of that hair juice.

4015
03:20:05,640 --> 03:20:07,760
Speaker 2: That's right, Jesus Christ.

4016
03:20:07,920 --> 03:20:10,680
Speaker 6: Well, thank you for listening to our initial coverage of

4017
03:20:10,680 --> 03:20:13,200
Speaker 6: the RNC. We have more scripted episodes, more kind of

4018
03:20:13,200 --> 03:20:17,080
Speaker 6: polished deep dives about the people and conversations that we

4019
03:20:17,240 --> 03:20:20,680
Speaker 6: have had here in beautiful Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

4020
03:20:20,720 --> 03:20:22,400
Speaker 2: And remember, folks, if you're going to take a bullet

4021
03:20:22,440 --> 03:20:26,280
Speaker 2: for somebody, Donald Trump does not care, not interested at it.

4022
03:20:26,320 --> 03:20:28,520
Speaker 6: He's not making the funeral, is not He is not

4023
03:20:28,560 --> 03:20:30,039
Speaker 6: going to show up at your funeral.

4024
03:20:31,160 --> 03:20:34,760
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a loud chair, painfully loud chair. You know

4025
03:20:34,800 --> 03:20:38,400
Speaker 2: what else is painfully loud The Heritage Foundation Party. Anyway,

4026
03:20:38,440 --> 03:20:42,959
Speaker 2: We're done, good night, good night. Hey. We'll be back

4027
03:20:43,040 --> 03:20:46,200
Speaker 2: Monday with more episodes every week from now until the

4028
03:20:46,240 --> 03:20:47,279
Speaker 2: heat death of the Universe.

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03:20:47,879 --> 03:20:50,400
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03:20:50,480 --> 03:20:53,160
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