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Speaker 1: got to recap this Seattle Seahawks game. First, though, let's
Speaker 1: shout out our fan who said, what's up to us?
Speaker 1: At you. He said, what's up to you? Ten quinn?
Speaker 3: Quinn?
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's awesome. And he came and said, what's
Speaker 1: really appreciated listen? Yeah, was that?
Speaker 2: What would have been was that we had a good time.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Was it around on Saturday.
Speaker 2: In Seattle on Saturday? And when I say you, the
Speaker 2: fans showed up and showed up. I'm impressed. Man, when
Speaker 2: I go on those trips man to the away games,
Speaker 2: just to see so many fans and some of the
Speaker 2: faces are familiar to him all over and over again.
Speaker 2: And we had the joke going. Jason could have tested this.
Speaker 2: We was going and we was like, bro, it's two
Speaker 2: people we see everywhere. What do they do for a living?
Speaker 2: Assume we walking and we've seeing those dudes and we
Speaker 2: just sitting there die laughing because I'm like, Bro, I
Speaker 2: was just talking about you, and I was asking about
Speaker 2: your job. One of them was the Road Warrior and
Speaker 2: rapping those two guys there. Yeah, Road war is only
Speaker 2: thirty seven years old. So I'm like, when you was
Speaker 2: in your twenties when I got here, Yeah, you was
Speaker 2: trapped a super fan. He said he had a job.
Speaker 2: I said, you must be a nurse or something.
Speaker 1: They go to the games too. Yeah, to the game,
Speaker 1: to the games.
Speaker 2: They go to three days man rally. Captain is in
Speaker 2: the front row at our home games. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: if I'm not sure where he since that for the
Speaker 2: away game, I'm not sure where the seats is that,
Speaker 2: But bro, he's They're really in the building. So I
Speaker 2: tell my hat off to those guys, man, because that's
Speaker 2: what makes you want to, you know, get behind this
Speaker 2: team and really see him do good. When the fans
Speaker 2: that's been around forever, ye're still riding. You're good.
Speaker 4: The bad and ugly they always woured. And plus a
Speaker 4: guy named Quinn. That's the last name, that's the first name.
Speaker 4: You can always trust a guy like that. Like if
Speaker 4: somebody got a first name a last name for a
Speaker 4: first name, they usually like a real grounded person.
Speaker 3: They were about to people like if you know a Nelson.
Speaker 1: Or something, I guess that Nelson's a pretty grounded last name,
Speaker 1: last first, first or all right, Well, so let's let's
Speaker 1: start high level.
Speaker 3: Time.
Speaker 4: I look up Jason Falling, like he got this thing
Speaker 4: in the office when we be doing me every time, like, Jay,
Speaker 4: do you need me to scoot up?
Speaker 3: He go out his way. No, don't you scoot this? Chirup?
Speaker 3: He go right behind me. Trip, dude, I can scoot.
Speaker 3: I guess he tried to fight this weight thing. I
Speaker 3: think I'd be like, you can fit through that?
Speaker 5: He like, yeah, of course I can't. He tried to
Speaker 5: turn someutway and trip, falling up the dough. Ever, in
Speaker 5: time he grabbed me this trying to hold on it's
Speaker 5: hair man.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of holding on, this team couldn't hold onto
Speaker 1: this win in Seattle.
Speaker 3: Stop listening Seattle.
Speaker 1: Let's let's start with high level thoughts. And I guess
Speaker 1: thet'll start on the defensive side of the ball. And Fred,
Speaker 1: do you want to kick us off? I will, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go.
Speaker 4: We ain't stopping those bleed. It was one of them times.
Speaker 4: Listen to me like I'm about to push back. So
Speaker 4: the fights I with styles and when somebody just come
Speaker 4: in and bludgeing you.
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying this. I didn't see nothing we
Speaker 3: did well.
Speaker 4: I felt like some of them calls was on the spot.
Speaker 4: Execution is a different thing, and that's what we did
Speaker 4: not do. We did not execute two things we did
Speaker 4: on execute and finish, and those two things if you
Speaker 4: don't do that on defense.
Speaker 3: You don't give yourself a chance.
Speaker 4: We need to stop them fifty seconds logan fifty six
Speaker 4: at the end of the game. Yeah, and I know,
Speaker 4: but I'm just saying, fifty seconds you need to get
Speaker 4: in field goal range. I'm not mad if they trying
Speaker 4: to sixty one, you order, they mean, you at least
Speaker 4: stop them some. But for them to move the ball
Speaker 4: the way they did and with who they did, they're
Speaker 4: saying a lot to me.
Speaker 1: So I just want to push back one second. I mean,
Speaker 1: you said they didn't really do anything well, and I
Speaker 1: would argue that they did some good stuff on third down,
Speaker 1: and like when you watch the game, and I'm with you,
Speaker 1: like they're getting kind of beat up. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like here's a ten yard chunk, here's a fifteen yard chunk,
Speaker 1: here's a you know, here's a twelve yard game. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, that's three first downs, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: there's an incomplete pass. So there's a bad run. They
Speaker 1: get the third and four. They got off the field.
Speaker 1: They got off the field ten times in this game.
Speaker 1: And if you think about it, going into the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: before that last drive, which was about six minutes left
Speaker 1: in the game. It was nineteen to nineteen. And for
Speaker 1: a defense that's not played well this year, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there are thirtieth ranks ranked in the NFL
Speaker 1: at the moment. I mean, and again I'm not a
Speaker 1: defensive guy, but I look at that and I say, like,
Speaker 1: you held them to multiple field goals. You got off
Speaker 1: the field when you had to. And it's not saying
Speaker 1: it's because they were overly skilled. Sometimes they got lucky,
Speaker 1: Gino missed the pass whatever, I have to say, the
Speaker 1: end of half thing where he takes the intentional grounding, like,
Speaker 1: come on, what is that? But I think compared to
Speaker 1: what they've been doing.
Speaker 4: Come on, five hundred plus it was for four ninety eight, yes,
Speaker 4: come on, like but but as an offensive.
Speaker 1: So this is where I like, this is where I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get to, like a kernel of truth here,
Speaker 1: all right. And I remember when we were in twenty ten,
Speaker 1: we were the number number four offense in terms of
Speaker 1: yards per game, but thirty first in terms of scoring
Speaker 1: and yeah, and so we'd had all these yards and
Speaker 1: so I don't really care about the yards. And if
Speaker 1: the defense is holding you to punts.
Speaker 3: And what Pigsburg Steely does doing but they're not giving
Speaker 3: up points.
Speaker 1: But what they are doing is they're making explosive defensive play, turnover, sacks,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, forced fumbles, flipping the field,
Speaker 1: and so they can do some stuff there that we
Speaker 1: are not doing. But as a defensive player, how do
Speaker 1: you quantify that? Like you come in on Monday and
Speaker 1: he say, man, it was nineteen and nineteen. What happened
Speaker 1: seven minutes left in the fourth quarter? Yeah, we did
Speaker 1: some good stuff on third down? What like, how do
Speaker 1: we feel about this game?
Speaker 2: Just giving up? Just giving up chunks at the wrong time.
Speaker 2: That's how I look at it. I think they played well.
Speaker 2: And one of the things, you know, I've said this
Speaker 2: so much now weekend and week out, play competitive football.
Speaker 2: They're doing that. But I think when it all balls
Speaker 2: down to you, when you're really watching the film, it's
Speaker 2: a player too. When somebody's not doing what they or
Speaker 2: somebody I can't say not doing their job, but not
Speaker 2: not going out their way to make a play when
Speaker 2: it's time to make, you play the play in front
Speaker 2: of you, make the play, make a clean play. And
Speaker 2: that's what it balls down to me, Like it's a
Speaker 2: tackle year, it's a pass interference here when you could
Speaker 2: have come off the field. It's in the wrong time
Speaker 2: of the game, part of the field, whatever may be.
Speaker 2: And it's been like that the entire year. It's like
Speaker 2: guys are playing well enough and then they just say
Speaker 2: I'm gonna break down to day. I'm gonna break down
Speaker 2: right now. This is gonna be my moment when I
Speaker 2: break down.
Speaker 3: You can't do that.
Speaker 2: We talked about this yesterday. The marginum era very small,
Speaker 2: and when you're a great team, you can have those
Speaker 2: head coups here and there. But when you're not, when
Speaker 2: you're fighting a clawing to try to get wins and
Speaker 2: trying to become five hundred.
Speaker 3: You can't have those mistakes. Hey, this way I used
Speaker 3: to love. I used to love watching the Yankees game,
Speaker 3: New York Yankees, and boy, when.
Speaker 4: They hear the call in the same man closer when
Speaker 4: it's time, I knew it was over. And when I
Speaker 4: watch good teams, they always got this one or two
Speaker 4: guys or three.
Speaker 3: Guys they closed the game. They closed the game. So
Speaker 3: I asked myself, who's the closers on this defense? And
Speaker 3: it's one of the things where you have to.
Speaker 4: Really look to say, Okay, I'm looking a little bit
Speaker 4: too hard right now. It might not be as many
Speaker 4: closes as I think. Like Cam Currow, I look at
Speaker 4: him as a close. Have you had those situations to close?
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point though, Like Cam,
Speaker 1: I think is very representative of the defense. Maybe at
Speaker 1: the moment, like he's at ten tackles, he's maybe a
Speaker 1: PBu in there, but like nothing dramatic. And I look
Speaker 1: at like like this is because I watched the whole,
Speaker 1: the entirety of this game, the Baltimore Cleveland game, right,
Speaker 1: and you know, Cleveland's one of the best defenses in football,
Speaker 1: and they gave up explosives, they gave up first downs,
Speaker 1: they gave up touchdowns, They looked a mess, but in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter got an interception for a touchdown, and
Speaker 1: all that stuff that they screwed up on is now.
Speaker 1: And so I look at this team and it's kind
Speaker 1: of what Tanna is saying. It's like the other way, right,
Speaker 1: It's like they did a lot of good stuff, got
Speaker 1: off the field on fourth down, held in the field goals,
Speaker 1: but the one touchdown they got in the in the
Speaker 1: in the in the first three three and a half
Speaker 1: quarters of football was a two guys missed a tackle
Speaker 1: right Failbot is not on in the right spot necessarily
Speaker 1: Russian the paster so ends up being a huge run
Speaker 1: for for Walker for a touchdown or catching run. Excuse me.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you mentioned the fourth
Speaker 1: and five. Great job overcoming some adversity there. They gave
Speaker 1: up a twenty yard completion prior to that. You get
Speaker 1: to fourth and five, I feel pretty good about that,
Speaker 1: and then you have a defensive past interference and so
Speaker 1: there's no there. Every every I guess my point is
Speaker 1: every defense in the NFL has those negative moments, but
Speaker 1: it's can you overcome it, overcome it and make the
Speaker 1: plays when you got to make him and make it
Speaker 1: and make a dramatic play to kind of shift it
Speaker 1: in your favor, especially on the road, like.
Speaker 4: At one point we had the twelve man. We had
Speaker 4: them out of there, like you could hear a.
Speaker 3: Roach fard in there. It was quiet. You got to
Speaker 3: keep them right there.
Speaker 4: And then not only is it I just remember coming
Speaker 4: to huddles and defensive yeah, set on Springs, I got
Speaker 4: Sean Taylor.
Speaker 3: And were fighting over who Finn make this.
Speaker 2: I was gonna I was gonna add to that. I
Speaker 2: don't like cutting people off, but I had to hear it.
Speaker 2: You don't. That's what I was gonna say. Though it's
Speaker 2: not a playmaker. I don't see enough of plays being
Speaker 2: made to make a difference in the game. You understand,
Speaker 2: like sometime you're gonna play clean football. It's okay to
Speaker 2: play clean team football. You do your job, do your job.
Speaker 2: But then when you look on the other side of
Speaker 2: the ball with the sport was making play. This kid
Speaker 2: flew around me. He made a difference in I mean
Speaker 2: I watched the entire game and of time he made
Speaker 2: a difference in the outcome of that possession.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's what I don't see on our defense. And
Speaker 2: it's been week eleven and we're still looking for because
Speaker 2: you're in every game now, who's gonna make a difference. Say, man,
Speaker 2: let's get up off the field. I'm tired of being
Speaker 2: out here, you know, I'm tired of being on the field.
Speaker 2: I'm tired of letting this team go three going first
Speaker 2: down second. Oh, let's go get a picker.
Speaker 4: Right, Let's come to the herd and say we know
Speaker 4: where they Finna go with the ball.
Speaker 3: Guess what shade over top of me?
Speaker 4: I'm going down here like that's what a team does, that's.
Speaker 2: What they do.
Speaker 4: Aid they didn't call this play, I don't care. We
Speaker 4: know what throwing the ball at. Tell him, I tell him.
Speaker 2: I say tell this story so much because I can
Speaker 2: honestly say, and Logan is like a he's one of
Speaker 2: the best guy when it comes to breaking down right
Speaker 2: the other side of the offensively, defensively. He just know
Speaker 2: how to look at fim and just tell you something
Speaker 2: about what's going on that I haven't got from a
Speaker 2: lot of people who's not coaching on a high level.
Speaker 2: You know, I know he's coaching, but on a high level.
Speaker 2: But it goes to show you he played in the league.
Speaker 2: So most guys who played here who was under you know,
Speaker 2: good coaching staff, they able to learn and pick it
Speaker 2: up like that he did. But when we talk about
Speaker 2: offenses two thousand and five, six seven, that was the
Speaker 2: first time I was a part of offense that just
Speaker 2: said you're gonna get fifteen tempts, you're gonna get seven temps,
Speaker 2: he's gonna get twenty or more carries and one of
Speaker 2: y'all make a play. Yeah, and bro our offense won games.
Speaker 2: That week we went to the playoffs and five that
Speaker 2: week we went to the playoffs in seven that week,
Speaker 2: we didn't have much offensively but three guys, and we
Speaker 2: found a way to be productive. So when I'm watching
Speaker 2: these games, I'm like, now you come with all these
Speaker 2: big schemes, these big defenses, we're gonna do this is
Speaker 2: offensive schemes. You don't need to do it. Who's gonna
Speaker 2: make a difference, make a difference especially, And so that's
Speaker 2: what that's what we're missing. I feel like these guys
Speaker 2: are all capable, not saying that they can't go out
Speaker 2: and do what we ask we just haven't seen it
Speaker 2: done at a consistent basis.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you something, Fred, So, like
Speaker 1: you were talking about kind of playing outside the scheme
Speaker 1: or bending the scheme to the players. Do you need
Speaker 1: guys with more experience to do that, like guys that
Speaker 1: have or is that just kind of I think it's
Speaker 1: a style of guys.
Speaker 4: I think it's a style of guy, a hunger of
Speaker 4: nature for the playmaking the hall. The hall, don't care
Speaker 4: about what you just called ye this dude, then ran
Speaker 4: three comebacks on me.
Speaker 3: I'll be damn if it's gonna happen again. So some
Speaker 3: players just it, guess what we play all of them Like.
Speaker 4: We'll go into a game and let's just Sean Taylor
Speaker 4: be like, hey dude, they finna try to do this
Speaker 4: play action. They're gonna try to hit this tight end
Speaker 4: at the backfield.
Speaker 3: It ain't my man. I need you to come over
Speaker 3: top for me.
Speaker 4: Oh I got you? What about your man? No, I'm
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get under your man. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 4: They gonna be able to throw it. So if you
Speaker 4: got to check him, just worry about the deed. There's
Speaker 4: people that play together and trust each other. There's people
Speaker 4: that's identifying that we gotta go make a play and
Speaker 4: guess what. Nobody cares what the play call was when
Speaker 4: we make that play.
Speaker 1: And did you have like a like a wide variety
Speaker 1: of defenses or was it pretty.
Speaker 4: No, it was it was straight forward streamline. This is
Speaker 4: how we were dictating the terms we played.
Speaker 1: You're kind of adjusting. You were adjusting the defense to
Speaker 1: what they were presenting, kind of like settle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, like the make they bing you today wheel
Speaker 4: And if you're gonna beat us doing what we do good.
Speaker 4: That's fine, that's fine, And I think that's what it takes.
Speaker 4: And I think you, I think it takes reps to
Speaker 4: learn how to play each other.
Speaker 3: But some guys haven't been together four years.
Speaker 1: But I mean I was thinking about it though, like
Speaker 1: you know, Saint Jesus is his third year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'd been here with long enough.
Speaker 1: With these guys, I kind of well, I've always wondered though,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I had COOLi here in my rookie year, right,
Speaker 1: And so Cooley was the guy that would kind of
Speaker 1: give you the inside baseball like hey man, like you're
Speaker 1: getting off the ball and I'm like, no, man, I'm
Speaker 1: getting off on time. He's like no, like watch this
Speaker 1: film and he'd freeze frame and be like no, I
Speaker 1: see you're late. And I'm like why. My Lady's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know when the center snapping it and I was like,
Speaker 1: I thought I was on stapping on set. He's like,
Speaker 1: go talk to the center. So I went and talk
Speaker 1: to the center and he was like, I'm actually snapping
Speaker 1: it on like so it was white Ady, white Ady
Speaker 1: the s set and I was like a tenth late.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and so he they have
Speaker 1: like the tricks, you know what I'm saying. And I
Speaker 1: felt like when d Hall was here, he had the
Speaker 1: tricks that he could kind of give to Breshad Breeland
Speaker 1: and kind of there's that guy there that knows that
Speaker 1: they we spent there.
Speaker 3: Yah, somebody that was willing to change the play situation.
Speaker 1: That could help Perry Riley, that could help all those
Speaker 1: guys out. And I feel like even with offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: when you get that old war daddy in there, that's
Speaker 1: seeing everything, that's seen every pass rush move, he's got
Speaker 1: something for you that a coach doesn't have. And I
Speaker 1: kind of wonder, like, I know this isn't a young team,
Speaker 1: but it's young in spots in terms of experience, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Guest Cam would be that dude for me, But he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Play that way.
Speaker 2: He doesn't. He's not he's not in the position to
Speaker 2: kind of make some of those plays himself. Like he's
Speaker 2: he's coming up sign somebody coming up and making play.
Speaker 2: You have to play when when he's in the vicinity.
Speaker 2: But one of the things too, that you can say
Speaker 2: is too is just this goes back to Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 2: well of saying, hey, overcome coaching. I know I got
Speaker 2: you in this position. Now you go and be special
Speaker 2: like I told you. Like every time, like when you
Speaker 2: know we go. We have tons of discussions about what
Speaker 2: a cornerback should be doing, what a cornerback shouldn't be doing,
Speaker 2: why he's doing this because he's coaching or whatever it
Speaker 2: may be. But I'm like, I got that. I'm fine
Speaker 2: with that. But once I put your position, Now, what
Speaker 2: made Dion Dion?
Speaker 3: What made what?
Speaker 2: May re coach ain't saying don't do that. I remember
Speaker 2: being in the game when Ed Reed checked out of
Speaker 2: a coverage and Shoppy Fields beat Mike rump for for
Speaker 2: a game when a touchdown on us and coach bench
Speaker 2: Ed Reed the next week because of that, And the
Speaker 2: next week gets in the game the first play he
Speaker 2: picks off pick six. He's special. It wasn't his fault
Speaker 2: that Choppy Field's bomb.
Speaker 3: Mike run you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying, check and made sure that that
Speaker 2: damn dude who they threw the ball to the first
Speaker 2: time didn't get the ball. Now they say, oh, well
Speaker 2: we got Mike rump Man, the man that just throw
Speaker 2: this thing up here, Iron against Iron, whatever you want
Speaker 2: to say, Shops, Iron, all that, but Choppy Field was
Speaker 2: the better player that particular play. What I'm seeing a
Speaker 2: lot and this is like I say, we all play
Speaker 2: this game. We never was just great every time we
Speaker 2: stepped on the field.
Speaker 3: Nobody.
Speaker 2: We're gonna all have by moments. But the one thing
Speaker 2: that separates you from just being an okay player in
Speaker 2: this league talking about for everybody is the ones who
Speaker 2: make that special play that played or who got who
Speaker 2: gets to the caliber where those guys who's calling the
Speaker 2: game talk about you specifically because you're consistently making those
Speaker 2: plays week in and week out in that time of
Speaker 2: the game order for us to be a difference maker
Speaker 2: on defense, I'm not even speaking aout the offense because
Speaker 2: I say, like a offense, how high they moments where
Speaker 2: they just passing them of up and down the field.
Speaker 2: Someone's gonna make a play defensively, I haven't seen us
Speaker 2: go out someone go out there way and just make
Speaker 2: that play that's going to just put us or propel
Speaker 2: us to have that moment in the game where we
Speaker 2: say boom, that right there.
Speaker 4: Was That's the reason we wanted to go together. It's
Speaker 4: the reason nobody not wanting. We got some great on
Speaker 4: these defense players, but when we played Buffalo, I forgot
Speaker 4: the linebacker that just made the linebacker for Buffalo that
Speaker 4: may play to play to play to play. I'm like,
Speaker 4: he's the reason. Like sometimes you can point out, like
Speaker 4: Miles Gary, when I watch that Brown's defense, he's the
Speaker 4: like you can point out. Sometimes our group we can't.
Speaker 4: There's nobody just say, you know, that's the reason we
Speaker 4: win in these games. Now we can say it's a
Speaker 4: group that the reason we are.
Speaker 2: We been playing well, but we we haven't had that
Speaker 2: that just played that that playmaker that just like man,
Speaker 2: I got it. Yeah, and damn that boy right there.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So a couple of things. One, I love that you
Speaker 1: brought that up to because you know, Mike McDaniels a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, it was like, are on the
Speaker 1: in some interview he said like, it's it's not about
Speaker 1: the coaching, it's about the players. And I think you
Speaker 1: guys are talking about that there right. It's about the
Speaker 1: guys that are like elevating and it's his job as
Speaker 1: a coach to elevate and make sure that happens, which
Speaker 1: I thought was really interesting and very relevant. But also
Speaker 1: I think like to your point, Fred, like one of
Speaker 1: the things that I kind of I really wish would
Speaker 1: have happened in this game is I felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: you draft Emmanuel Forbes to kind of we talk about
Speaker 1: the corners there. Second you said a little bit right
Speaker 1: to bump Benjamin Saint Jus into the nickel where he's
Speaker 1: been pretty good this year, and then keep Fuller on
Speaker 1: the outside, and then you get three guys who are
Speaker 1: more at home can make more plays. And and I
Speaker 1: really felt like Forbes in his five matchups with DK Metcalf,
Speaker 1: had a really good plan. Yeah, and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: the game is going to be different, but I but
Speaker 1: I felt like he had He looked like he was
Speaker 1: ready to go.
Speaker 3: No, he was rare.
Speaker 1: And then I think about Saint Juice in the slot
Speaker 1: and what that looks like. As you're talking about we're
Speaker 1: having a hard time passing stuff off, and I was
Speaker 1: thinking about and I was like, Saint Juice repped nickel
Speaker 1: this whole week. Yeah, yeah, and then now he's outside.
Speaker 3: After the third player, so all of.
Speaker 1: A sudden you get Danny Johnson there who hasn't reaped
Speaker 1: as much as Saint Juice, and then say Juice hasn't
Speaker 1: rushed there, And so I don't know, man, I just
Speaker 1: wish they could go back and play this game again
Speaker 1: to see what Forbes would have done, yeah, and to
Speaker 1: see how Saint Jeus would have done in the slought. No.
Speaker 4: I totally understand what it is, but I kind of
Speaker 4: take it to a right when we start a game,
Speaker 4: we don't know who gonna We know we all come
Speaker 4: in healthy, but we know we could lose a soldier
Speaker 4: and he'd just be out with a ham screen in
Speaker 4: two weeks. Well, I look at that ejection ejection the
Speaker 4: same way, like, all right, he got hurt. But I'm
Speaker 4: with you, I would have wanted to see that matchup
Speaker 4: as because I saw them playing a lot of two
Speaker 4: men against Seattle. And I'm telling you that plays into
Speaker 4: the real wave ofs of Forbes way more than it
Speaker 4: plays into the real waves of Saint Jews, because one
Speaker 4: hundred people used and the other one hunting picks.
Speaker 3: And now I ain't got to play high on the guy.
Speaker 4: I can go out here to just make play out,
Speaker 4: to play out to play you, right, A guy that's
Speaker 4: trying to touch the ball would have had a better
Speaker 4: day on him. But do we in turn see they're
Speaker 4: gonna get even take of it if four of his playing,
Speaker 4: do we stop the run?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: You know, so it's always a question to another question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that in those I think he
Speaker 1: had five or six snaps. He had three where he's
Speaker 1: matching up with Metcalf and it just like he was
Speaker 1: just anticipating what he was doing. So I was like,
Speaker 1: man was shattering him him. So cool to see if
Speaker 1: that would have played out. But you know, talking about
Speaker 1: the rest of the defense, obviously, that's when element the linebackers.
Speaker 1: I thought Jamon had a pretty solid day and again
Speaker 1: like nice to see his evolution defensive line. Quiet day,
Speaker 1: But I think John's playing better. I think Casey's doing
Speaker 1: some good stuff with John elevating him.
Speaker 2: I saw them. I saw him kind of doing some
Speaker 2: stuffy stuff. John John got called for one. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was just kind of.
Speaker 4: Come on, But I'd like to see a guy trying
Speaker 4: to free you up again, So make a build with that.
Speaker 3: Jones, I thought, came in and it's my play.
Speaker 4: Made a couple of players in there, and uh, I
Speaker 4: just think I'm Jamin.
Speaker 3: I changed his middle name to L.
Speaker 4: Davis Elff letter F.
Speaker 3: The letter F.
Speaker 4: Jamin Man quietly is having his best year ever as
Speaker 4: a NFL pro.
Speaker 1: It's good man, I'm truly he's playing physical football, he's
Speaker 1: playing smart like he had there was a player. I
Speaker 1: didn't show it in the breakdown this week, but they're
Speaker 1: running wanda so outside zone away from the tight end,
Speaker 1: and the tight ends to the same side, so they're
Speaker 1: bringing across at action right and then they bring a
Speaker 1: jet sweep action. So when they do that, this is
Speaker 1: really complicated. But they're adding two gaps week and so
Speaker 1: Jamin as a you know, last year even would have
Speaker 1: just run straight play side a gap and the wold
Speaker 1: have been a huge hold the other side. He plays
Speaker 1: all the way back and makes a tackle for one
Speaker 1: yard game, and I thought that is a great maturation
Speaker 1: by him as a young football player. Also, guy, we
Speaker 1: got a shoutouts Percy Butler. Yeah, did a great job.
Speaker 2: Phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I mean he missed the one tackle, but I mean
Speaker 1: he made a ton of tackles, a ton of plays.
Speaker 2: He's playing with a different gear now to you can
Speaker 2: I mean he's always been reckless. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. But he's also now you can see that
Speaker 2: he's he knows what he's doing, and so he's he's
Speaker 2: flying around there and going out.
Speaker 3: And I like to see it.
Speaker 4: He just came down a little bit because at first
Speaker 4: he was that wow, it just all over the place, energetic,
Speaker 4: but he just calmed down and he letting the offense
Speaker 4: take him to the plays right.
Speaker 1: Now, and then we got we gotta kind of hurry
Speaker 1: up here. But let's talk about the offense real quick.
Speaker 1: You know. I think there was a lot of good
Speaker 1: things that the offense did, but it all happened kind
Speaker 1: of late. And I feel like everyeren says, other defense,
Speaker 1: they had eighty one defensive snaps. They couldn't get off
Speaker 1: the field. But I feel like there was a sequence
Speaker 1: in the first half of the offense outside of two
Speaker 1: explosive plays, to be rob wasn't really getting a lot done.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, late in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: they come to life, make a ton of plays. Like
Speaker 1: what's the balance there? What are our thoughts on that group?
Speaker 2: It was stagnant for the most part, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, you hit a dead on the head. Those
Speaker 2: two exposive plays. You would have thought we had more
Speaker 2: production out of there, just especially that first one. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean. After that first one, I was
Speaker 2: sitting in the I was sitting in the little press
Speaker 2: boxing like, Okay, there's gonna be one of those days
Speaker 2: for us. These guys come to play. But then you know,
Speaker 2: it's like I said before, the same way where I
Speaker 2: saw on the defense, it's a player here when somebody's
Speaker 2: not doing their job, you know what I mean, you
Speaker 2: get a guy who comes through free for the most part, man,
Speaker 2: is what I'm what I'm enjoying watching and talking about
Speaker 2: maturation of players. Man. Sam is slowly starting to get
Speaker 2: it when he's seen when he like, you're seeing different guys,
Speaker 2: you seeing different fronts, and you're like, okay, they bringing five,
Speaker 2: they're bringing six, and then those two jobs dropped out.
Speaker 2: It's four guys coming. But you know it might not
Speaker 2: be the fourth guy that we thought so that one,
Speaker 2: that one guy we didn't pick up. He's finding that
Speaker 2: guy that dumped the ball off to that superb man
Speaker 2: for what we've seen earlier, you know, from what we've
Speaker 2: seen earlier this year. So I was happy to see that.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to see that we can be productive. I'm
Speaker 2: even more happy to see that late in the game
Speaker 2: he can go out there and be a young Airwoof.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna go out there and show you all,
Speaker 2: guys why I'm called who I'm called. Why Fred gave
Speaker 2: me the name. We asked him about that last week
Speaker 2: too in the podcast on the All Players Club, which
Speaker 2: one of these names he liked? He loved Airwood. So
Speaker 2: just to know that this guy can really we could
Speaker 2: depend on him to be a playmaker too and bring
Speaker 2: us back in the game. I mean, what more can
Speaker 2: you ask for? But with all that being said, we
Speaker 2: still have to find a way that we can do
Speaker 2: what we're doing and be consistent with it. It seemed
Speaker 2: like that's the kind of that's the word I've been
Speaker 2: using the whole you.
Speaker 3: For next right now, at its finest, we could toss it.
Speaker 4: We need to be able to play bully ball when
Speaker 4: it's time to play bully ball. I think that's the
Speaker 4: next level in maturation of this offense. And what I'm
Speaker 4: gonna tell you what I do like about this offense
Speaker 4: now that I look at the schedule, this could have
Speaker 4: been the best defensive back field they were gonna face
Speaker 4: all year. I think that collectively, mixed with game plan
Speaker 4: the way they run it, this was the best defensive backfield.
Speaker 4: I thought Terry had spots in the game where he
Speaker 4: showed I could do whatever I want to against this
Speaker 4: defensive back field. I felt like the others. And when
Speaker 4: I say others, I'm just talking about.
Speaker 3: The Pringles of the world.
Speaker 4: The John Bates of the world leaked out and made plays.
Speaker 4: But then it's the dots In's of the world. This
Speaker 4: was a misery stick for a game for him too,
Speaker 4: going again because now the other number two corner is
Speaker 4: a stealer top corner. It was some individual battles on
Speaker 4: offense that we didn't win, but I was more high
Speaker 4: on the.
Speaker 3: Ones that we did.
Speaker 4: So when I started to line people up, I looked
Speaker 4: at the offensive line against this defense. Let not one
Speaker 4: of the highest SEC team, but they will get after you.
Speaker 4: I watched the offensive line hold up in spots. I watched,
Speaker 4: like I said, Terry get down the field. I watched
Speaker 4: him battle, But then it's these other people that come
Speaker 4: up missing. And in a game like this where everything
Speaker 4: is kind of equal, everybody got to kind of put
Speaker 4: they shoe in the head and say, you know what,
Speaker 4: I got my couple of players in here too, but
Speaker 4: we had some people that didn't come up and make plays.
Speaker 2: I was scared coming into the game talking about their
Speaker 2: offensive weapons on the outside, and I feel like Idb's
Speaker 2: did a great job for the most part, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. You know that passing difference here and
Speaker 2: a bad play here, But I was expecting way more
Speaker 2: production from our guys. But the running backs had that day,
Speaker 2: so you know someone's going to have the day. We
Speaker 2: were still able to be productive, we just didn't finished
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think just high level. So you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a little disappointed with the receivers that they weren't
Speaker 1: more productive because but I do think that Seattle there's
Speaker 1: a lot of credit in the back end because I
Speaker 1: felt like EB came in and said, oh they run
Speaker 1: cover three. Here are our Cover three beaters, and Seattle
Speaker 1: knew how to match those.
Speaker 3: They did really well.
Speaker 4: I said, I think it's the best defensive back field
Speaker 4: we will see this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that's that's good. But you know,
Speaker 1: and I think the other thing is you said, ten,
Speaker 1: I just got to bring this up for the offense,
Speaker 1: is that despite kind of a sluggish start, sluggish you know,
Speaker 1: three quarters. Really they came out and they always give
Speaker 1: you a chance, like Sam. I think that's something about
Speaker 1: Sam that's exciting. You're always in the game. And we
Speaker 1: were talking about this the other day, like.
Speaker 3: This a year. It feel like this year.
Speaker 2: You know other thing too, that that that fumble took
Speaker 2: a lot of momentum from us. Man. I mean, you
Speaker 2: know how you saw something finna happen. I'm like, just
Speaker 2: go down when that's when I saw him getting spun,
Speaker 2: go down and then the ball just slowly found his
Speaker 2: way off out of his hands. So stuff like that, man,
Speaker 2: you really never know until it happens, and then you
Speaker 2: can still see the momentum just switch.
Speaker 4: But I can say this we down six even five
Speaker 4: minutes ago, we need to touch down.
Speaker 3: When Sam is on the field, feel good about it.
Speaker 3: I feel and give him what he goes right down,
Speaker 3: so it is real.
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Speaker 1: Great job, Fred, awesome work. Okay, So now let's get
Speaker 1: to the dig deeper section of this podcast. And so
Speaker 1: basically what our producer Jason did is he picked out
Speaker 1: a couple of stats which I think are really interesting,
Speaker 1: and we're going to kind of peel back the layers
Speaker 1: of the onion and figure out whether they're legitimate or
Speaker 1: whether they're they're spuriously correlated with something else. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So the first one I think is awesome. It's Benjamin
Speaker 1: Saint Juice is tied for the NFL lead in defenses
Speaker 1: with fifteen What does that mean?
Speaker 4: It's good and it's Babe, ME tell you it's good
Speaker 4: because he's been between fifteen balls.
Speaker 3: That was submitt for wire receivers to burn him.
Speaker 4: He pbu's hard to get in the NFL bad because
Speaker 4: they got that many numbers of throws your way.
Speaker 3: It's a dominant number one corner.
Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, to get them
Speaker 4: type numbers, you must be getting that type traffic because
Speaker 4: top corners don't usually get that many chances to make
Speaker 4: plays on ball.
Speaker 1: So yeah, to that point, Fred like, oh, I looked
Speaker 1: up sost Carter. Yeah, right, And I was like, how
Speaker 1: many contested targets does he have? So that's ones where
Speaker 1: you can break it up potentially, right, and so he
Speaker 1: had twenty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's that seems like.
Speaker 3: A lot ten games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, that's a lot, you know. And
Speaker 1: I look how many think Benjamin sinjuce seys that like
Speaker 1: forty some seventy five? Thank you seventy five. They are
Speaker 1: hucking the ball at this man. And it's also important
Speaker 1: to note that in those matchups he does pretty good.
Speaker 1: But he draws right. Now, every week they find a
Speaker 1: way to put him on the best player.
Speaker 3: And guess what South Gordon every week is on the
Speaker 3: base player.
Speaker 1: Right, But he only gets how many targets twenty five?
Speaker 3: He ain't get talking because he's in the hills.
Speaker 2: They also know that Sauce Gardener has a knack.
Speaker 3: For the bull.
Speaker 2: He's a threatening They understand watching it watching Saint Jus
Speaker 2: that he's not picking nothing off. He's either gonna PIU
Speaker 2: or he's gonna pu He's gonna get a PBu. So
Speaker 2: why not keep toalks as a receiver. I heard your standpoint.
Speaker 2: As a receiver. Yeah, I'm gonna keep coach. I don't
Speaker 2: care less how many PBUs he got throw at him.
Speaker 3: I want to.
Speaker 2: I want to throw at And I'm not saying it
Speaker 2: because you know, I think very highly as I just
Speaker 2: see at times he panics when the ball gets around him,
Speaker 2: and that's what costes him to have these attempts throw
Speaker 2: at them. Teams want to say, hey, he's he has
Speaker 2: great coverage, but he's gonna be you because he don't
Speaker 2: know how to just finish out the thing and finish,
Speaker 2: you know, finish to the place. So he has to
Speaker 2: minimize some of those those those moments where he's like
Speaker 2: to blow his gasket when the ball and hey man,
Speaker 2: it's calm, breathe easy, you're there, you got great coverage,
Speaker 2: You're there, you alone. Read the guy's eyes in his hands.
Speaker 3: It's so every time.
Speaker 4: It's so simple because he go the logic of teams.
Speaker 4: All right, Saint Juice is your day number one. But
Speaker 4: we're gonna stay away from Fuller because.
Speaker 2: You know why, because he gonna get the ball back,
Speaker 2: gonna get the ball back, and and he's smarter. He
Speaker 2: Fuller is a slow in the hall. So I'm just
Speaker 2: saying the hall was he was running with the best,
Speaker 2: Yes to the best. Fuller is patient. Man, I'll be
Speaker 2: watching for the some time. Like, boy, don't play with
Speaker 2: that boy. He making precise tackles. He's right there on
Speaker 2: the ball. He's like you, you have to be exact
Speaker 2: with him throwing the ball in his vicinity. So that's
Speaker 2: why you get what you get.
Speaker 3: And this the tale of it.
Speaker 4: Take it just like if a receiver getting one hundred
Speaker 4: catching I mean chances to catch a ball and he
Speaker 4: catch eighty. And then my other homeboy, he don't get
Speaker 4: a sixty five attempts and he catched sixty three.
Speaker 3: Who the better received?
Speaker 1: So yeah, the other thing I just wanted to ask about,
Speaker 1: because I think this is relevant, is the matchup. He
Speaker 1: draws a tough matchup. Every single week, you know, because
Speaker 1: because Sauce, like we're staying with this comparison, Sauce plays
Speaker 1: exclusively on the right side of the defense, right, he
Speaker 1: doesn't travel with the number one guy, and so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on the side or whatever.
Speaker 2: You have been doing a little bit of that this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying it's Saint just just will play
Speaker 1: the slot, but following the best guy, he'll play outside
Speaker 1: for the best guy.
Speaker 2: To his credit, Saint juess credit, who else we want
Speaker 2: to put on put on those.
Speaker 1: I guess that's a good point, Yuess, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: So you're asking him to do what he brings to
Speaker 3: the dam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like my coach when I was at the Jets,
Speaker 2: spoke to the media and say, hey, oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: need my not to catch guy to you know, make
Speaker 2: more plays. And the meeting came right to me. Coach
Speaker 2: said that you need to make more plays. He just
Speaker 2: my name, but you're allowed the guy. Yeah, So you
Speaker 2: know that's that's how it is, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So he's the guy that he can do that.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna put him on those So what advice
Speaker 1: would you give him?
Speaker 4: I would Tanner said something, start to start to start
Speaker 4: to physically impose your wheel on games. If you're gonna
Speaker 4: give me the chance to check these number one, you're
Speaker 4: gonna give me a chance to showcase these guys, especially
Speaker 4: in the country here. I need to finish like he
Speaker 4: did against Drake London in Atlanta. No paddick in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: But then you get with DK Metcalffe and now you're
Speaker 4: diwt in yourself a little bit. And the one thing
Speaker 4: about corners, we can't hide how we really feel because
Speaker 4: you can see it on the field, all right, Finish
Speaker 4: the play.
Speaker 3: Because he's the one thing I can say about him.
Speaker 3: He never had a phase. Now he never He's always
Speaker 3: in phase. He's there playing them. Finish the play.
Speaker 2: It's two things I would say, Finishing this one because
Speaker 2: you know, I love to watch the end of a
Speaker 2: lot of plays that comes to our passing game or
Speaker 2: anybody's passing game, to see how that receiver, how calm
Speaker 2: he was when the ball cat got that to him,
Speaker 2: and how that defensive back, how calm he is. And
Speaker 2: I was a guy I'm late hands like a month,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be running a round and not that I
Speaker 2: see the ball behind your head and I ain't showing
Speaker 2: you nothing their eyes or none. And in the last minute,
Speaker 2: I'm either gonna jump over you or you know, because
Speaker 2: you know defensive best when you when you in your
Speaker 2: bag as a defensive back. You got to the point
Speaker 2: to where you cannot even have to turn. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: look at your expression on your hands, if the eyes.
Speaker 2: And I played on a long enough at a old
Speaker 2: enough age to understand that when I see that guy
Speaker 2: go to do this, I'm just gonna get right between
Speaker 2: the hands. I ain't got to touch him this. When
Speaker 2: you get between one of the hand, they gotta make every
Speaker 2: catch hard. You make that hard catch, culose to you.
Speaker 2: You made it because I made sure that other hand
Speaker 2: didn't get up. So what I would say is one
Speaker 2: finish better, bro, Just kind of get into your thing,
Speaker 2: you know, off season, because right now we kind of
Speaker 2: too late in the season to start reading the expressions,
Speaker 2: the eyes, the different things like that, and before you
Speaker 2: even finish, start find a way to slow guys down
Speaker 2: before they get into their routes. We're talking about this
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 4: He's too long, six three, too fast, too big to not.
Speaker 2: Put hands on everybody he in front of and The
Speaker 2: only reason when guys don't do that is because they
Speaker 2: respect you too well and know that man if I
Speaker 2: miss made me look bad, so stop having respect.
Speaker 4: At the end of that game, the last play with
Speaker 4: DK Metcalf. If you tell me it's two man, I'm inside.
Speaker 4: First of all, I'm jamming him. Finna make him run the.
Speaker 1: Hump you're talking about on the post I'm talking.
Speaker 4: About on the posting end the game, I feel like,
Speaker 4: and that's that screams press and not only press jump
Speaker 4: I'm talking about I'm jumping in your.
Speaker 2: Chest because you got help my responsibility, your responsibility.
Speaker 3: Yes, so I'm.
Speaker 4: Attacking Mississippi to Mississippi. I think he needs to start.
Speaker 3: Using them God giving gifts that only he has.
Speaker 2: Look, I understand when you man, I don't want to
Speaker 2: press everybody. When I'm man like, it's a corner. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna I'm not gonna miss, but I might get
Speaker 2: in front of you enough to slow you down before
Speaker 2: you because he's long enough to do it. But in
Speaker 2: two men get up there be overly aggressed. Overly I'm
Speaker 2: talking about I saw Forbes do it last week, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's what I've been wanting. To see from
Speaker 2: DV because it happened to me so much, you know
Speaker 2: how you know, you know you want them kids that
Speaker 2: your mama beat you so bad or so much to
Speaker 2: where when your brother got a whooping.
Speaker 3: Like you deserve everything.
Speaker 2: Like That's how I am as a receiver watching the
Speaker 2: game now, Like I'm kind of bitter to see these
Speaker 2: guys have so much free access. I'm like, God, damn,
Speaker 2: I ain't get that treatment, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like I wish I was going. I can see why
Speaker 2: you got all those numbers. You got free access. So
Speaker 2: when I see our guys be be you know, lean
Speaker 2: into that and not not you know, allow guys to
Speaker 2: get off and do what they do. You know, it
Speaker 2: frustrates me a little bit.
Speaker 1: Be true to talk to like more recent cornerbacks, no offense, Fred, but.
Speaker 4: Try to say the guy because I would say this
Speaker 4: my generation of football.
Speaker 2: Don't forget.
Speaker 4: I came in while Jerry Rice and Tim Brown and
Speaker 4: were still playing with my classmates. Then we had to
Speaker 4: check the t os of the world, the random mouse
Speaker 4: of the world.
Speaker 3: These boys, I said.
Speaker 4: I think we played the golden age of why receivers stop.
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you that, so more yellow jackets in
Speaker 4: my group of guys.
Speaker 3: We had to check the any group of guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But what I was gonna say, and this is
Speaker 1: maybe a conversation for a different show, is basically that
Speaker 1: now receivers are so polished. They're so polished at every
Speaker 1: level of the game. I think about seven on Seven's right,
Speaker 1: you do seven on seven since you're five years old.
Speaker 1: And I'm training receivers in high school cantenna that are thirteen,
Speaker 1: and they're like, they know stuff that I didn't learn
Speaker 1: till year five of the NFL. They were accelerated. So
Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder this is just one of those
Speaker 1: type of I wonder if if that's changing the calculus
Speaker 1: for them in terms of pressing versus not.
Speaker 2: This could be right, and I think I don't disagree,
Speaker 2: but I'm just curious because when you look around the league,
Speaker 2: pressing is down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bring up. You're right.
Speaker 2: But the one thing that I can't understand is if
Speaker 2: I see you and two men and you in the
Speaker 2: face of a guy, why not take advantage of having
Speaker 2: help and knowing I could.
Speaker 3: Just I could just blah blah blah do it what
Speaker 3: I wanted to.
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying, and not just my
Speaker 2: question with that.
Speaker 4: I think the wide receivers are still wide receivers. I
Speaker 4: just think at the end of the day, the defensive
Speaker 4: coordinators and what the techniques that they're teaching a little
Speaker 4: bit general laxed, Yeah, a little bit more relaxed when
Speaker 4: we was a little bit more aggressive that.
Speaker 2: Property because of the game. You can't do so much
Speaker 2: with your hands, you know.
Speaker 1: The holdings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you touch somebody, you know the game, you know.
Speaker 2: But like I said, man, like, that's all I want
Speaker 2: to see from him because I think he's great and
Speaker 2: I've been a fan of him. I think the world
Speaker 2: of him. Uh you know, especially and I'm not just
Speaker 2: saying this, but when you have that many pbu's and
Speaker 2: they're trying you in, kudos making them plays, but it's
Speaker 2: the plays when you don't make that you don't make
Speaker 2: in the plays that you're making that that don't count
Speaker 2: because of you using something that you didn't have to use,
Speaker 2: building on the guy or just nothing up, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. You can't nut up under pressure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so another guy that kind of so
Speaker 1: Forbes Obviously we are not Forbes full or Saint Juice
Speaker 1: there we go, I think is uh, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: not the best performance, but the guy guy that we're confident.
Speaker 1: We're confident his skill set totally company and hopefully that
Speaker 1: he'll be able to improve the next ploe because we've
Speaker 1: seen him have really good games and see him play well,
Speaker 1: specifically against the Giants. I mean, that was one of
Speaker 1: the best games he's had this season, probably in his career.
Speaker 1: Can you repeat that again this week?
Speaker 4: So see that that game two, the Giants game is
Speaker 4: a Michael cosm of what's going on. He made all
Speaker 4: of those plays and then he didn't make the one that.
Speaker 2: Need to be making one, and then and then one
Speaker 2: of them they gave to the dude.
Speaker 3: They gave it to him. But I'm just saying that
Speaker 3: it's the timing of when you play making.
Speaker 1: Happen und percent. So yeah, we'll keep an eye on that,
Speaker 1: keeping on his development, and bring that up on the
Speaker 1: show as we see fit. Another guy that I think
Speaker 1: is maybe a little more positive at the moment is
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He looks dynamic, Yeah, in a way that I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 1: So as of right now, he's nineteenth in the NFL
Speaker 1: and rushing yards with four and twenty five, which is
Speaker 1: way higher than I thought it would be. And he's
Speaker 1: the seventh running back and receiving yards with two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty six. Yeah, what are your thoughts on him?
Speaker 1: What do those numbers mean to you? I'll start with
Speaker 1: sentient man.
Speaker 2: Just just think about it. You say, he's nineteenth in
Speaker 2: rushing yards and he haven't been the man leaving games
Speaker 2: with eight carries. I mean, give him a chance, but
Speaker 2: not even staying. Give him a chance. You know when
Speaker 2: we do have those opportunities, I understand why E B
Speaker 2: goes away from it a little.
Speaker 1: Bit because it just not looks superficial.
Speaker 2: It's not looking efficient enough. It's not what you call it.
Speaker 2: They have a term that they use when it comes
Speaker 2: to that play. Was this because of the chances of
Speaker 2: making the play?
Speaker 1: Success rate or you get success rates?
Speaker 2: So I look at the success rate of some of
Speaker 2: those runs, I'm like, yeah, that's why we're doing friends. No, honestly,
Speaker 2: because I'm with you, it just looks like a crowd
Speaker 2: in there, and that no one just trying to get
Speaker 2: in the club. But as a playmaker as a whole,
Speaker 2: no one thought he would be this dynamic is a
Speaker 2: pass catcher. I mean we saw, we saw that he
Speaker 2: had that skill set, but we didn't think that it
Speaker 2: was going on because you see so many guys that
Speaker 2: have this opportunity in this offense in Kansas City, they
Speaker 2: had a different kind of frame, they had a different
Speaker 2: kind of style of run. But even that we have
Speaker 2: those guys on this team, he's out playing them, he's
Speaker 2: out doing them because he understands, look, men, this is
Speaker 2: my way to still be productive. So coach leave me in.
Speaker 1: I can do it, you know, and just also like
Speaker 1: to toot our own horns and give ourselves some recognition.
Speaker 1: We did say he could leave the team in touchdowns
Speaker 1: and could be the m v P this year. Offensively. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we all said that we agree to that.
Speaker 4: And I remember watching him at training camp and we
Speaker 4: were like, he finlna get the ball in a couple
Speaker 4: of different ways. In the crazy part about it, we
Speaker 4: would have thought it would have been more Russia than receiving.
Speaker 2: Right now, I feel like we have so many other
Speaker 2: guys that can do what he's doing.
Speaker 4: I can tell you this when I watch film always,
Speaker 4: because the great backs do it all the time.
Speaker 3: They leave DB's in their wake. They leave us like
Speaker 3: on the ground.
Speaker 4: Like if you look at film of a great running
Speaker 4: back catching or running, it's u the dB scattered all
Speaker 4: over the ground. When I watched this violent guy run violently,
Speaker 4: he leaves DV like they're not trying to hit him.
Speaker 4: Tell him I watched three guys trying to cut him
Speaker 4: lower and seattle And that's a physical defensive backfield right there,
Speaker 4: and they refuse to hit this man.
Speaker 3: But below the I mean above.
Speaker 4: The way they tell you how powerful he is, how
Speaker 4: skillful he is, and it only brings up the question
Speaker 4: what if he touched the ball at least fifteen times
Speaker 4: a game.
Speaker 3: Catching and running, what does his numbers look like? Then?
Speaker 4: So he leaves that big old void of what if.
Speaker 4: But we know how the play calling of a game
Speaker 4: can go. You came in wanting to do this, but
Speaker 4: once you get in the game, you got to get
Speaker 4: do you know, with the other team given up?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also think like when you look at teams
Speaker 1: that are really efficient to run the football, they're built
Speaker 1: a little differently. They emphasize stuff a little differently, Like
Speaker 1: you know, this was not a priority for this offense
Speaker 1: this offseason. They didn't do a lot of running during
Speaker 1: OTA's in mini camp, which is what most teams do.
Speaker 1: That's fine. They've prioritized the passing game, They've prioritized SAM development.
Speaker 1: I think that's all, Especially the sam development part. I
Speaker 1: think that's the right thing. But teams that are good
Speaker 1: at running the ball, like even like look at Seattle,
Speaker 1: they don't take a lot of negative runs because they
Speaker 1: really strive and work and strain to get good angles
Speaker 1: and make sure guys know what how to handle different
Speaker 1: looks because really that's the hardest thing in the run game.
Speaker 1: It's it feels very defensive in this way. Like when
Speaker 1: you talk about defense being reactive. A good run game
Speaker 1: is reactive because I can present a four man front.
Speaker 1: I can present a five man front. I can present
Speaker 1: two linebackers in a safety. I can present two linebackers
Speaker 1: and two safeties. How do we block those looks? And
Speaker 1: so getting getting that repetition and getting those looks, getting
Speaker 1: that communication and having the tools in the run.
Speaker 3: You've been watching for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a big different pass wise. Yeah, since
Speaker 4: Chris Paul and Lous how has it been in the
Speaker 4: run gain.
Speaker 1: I think you know, Chris is a young football player,
Speaker 1: and I think one of the things that coming out
Speaker 1: of Tulsa, I think is where I went to school, Yeah,
Speaker 1: was that he was a little bit raw. So there's
Speaker 1: times where you see him not understanding, hey I need
Speaker 1: to sit on this double team a little bit more,
Speaker 1: or hey i'm out leverage on the double team. I
Speaker 1: need to leave early. Yeah, I need to take a
Speaker 1: better angle. And so that's stuff you see with young
Speaker 1: offensive linemen in the run game because it's reps. It's
Speaker 1: like seeing the combinations, understanding the combinations, understanding how much
Speaker 1: time I have. So I think he's still working through
Speaker 1: some of that stuff. I also think, you know, in
Speaker 1: this game, for example, I thought it was great that
Speaker 1: the most successful runs were outside zone runs, which we
Speaker 1: don't run a lot of. But I like that he's
Speaker 1: changed it up. Eb got to some different play calls,
Speaker 1: and the runs were targeted correctly. You know, we got
Speaker 1: everybody hats on, hats, guys covering guys up and then
Speaker 1: that's what you see this group can they're physical upfront,
Speaker 1: they're fast up front.
Speaker 2: I was going to actually about that because I was
Speaker 2: going to say, like, at some points in a game,
Speaker 2: when we have those runs as early go nowhere, get nowhere.
Speaker 2: And then you saw late in the game we had
Speaker 2: both of those guys had two or three runs that
Speaker 2: was just exceptionally well ran well had you know, plus Yachtist.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's the difference from when we ran them
Speaker 2: Dean and we ran those guys before, or did we
Speaker 2: not run the same runs?
Speaker 3: I think they were different runs.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we so we ran our runs that we
Speaker 1: normally run, which is WANDA, which is open side run
Speaker 1: away from the tight end pop GT. We run those
Speaker 1: a ton and they not a lot of sledding on
Speaker 1: the ground there. They were ready for it. And so also,
Speaker 1: I think this whole offense is built around throwing to
Speaker 1: open up the run run, and so you see kind
Speaker 1: of the benefits of that late in the game because
Speaker 1: everyone's defending the pass. Yeah, you get better boxes.
Speaker 4: The dean is ready to pass rush, you run off tackle.
Speaker 4: Like you said, now, the linebackers were snug to the line.
Speaker 4: They waiting on crossing routes now, so yeah.
Speaker 1: You get nickel versus base defenses right, and you can
Speaker 1: move the ball really well. And so the thing I
Speaker 1: just want to say is like when they target run
Speaker 1: correctly and the combinations are clean. They run the ball, well,
Speaker 1: it's just about how maximizing that. To me, it's just
Speaker 1: a rep's thing, right, So if you want to be
Speaker 1: robbed to run the ball more, it's like we need
Speaker 1: to clean up, We need to we need to emphasize
Speaker 1: that more in the week or in the off season
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 4: So now you you said that we all picked him
Speaker 4: to lead the team in a touchdown? Do you remember
Speaker 4: who I compare him to Arian Foster?
Speaker 3: You didn't.
Speaker 4: You didn't see it then, but after one hundred yards
Speaker 4: receiving one.
Speaker 2: That very I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: I think it was on the same page.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I feel what you're.
Speaker 3: Saying because y'all remember him. I don't know if y'all.
Speaker 2: I just think Arian Foster had that glide, had that glo.
Speaker 2: By this stuff and foot in the ground.
Speaker 4: Be size wise, they're the same because b Robb is
Speaker 4: not small.
Speaker 3: He's not small.
Speaker 2: Arian Foster played for the Texans, right, played for the Texans.
Speaker 2: They had that Remember he had that cut.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he had a gallop on him.
Speaker 4: But smooth bodies could could bump off of people, kid
Speaker 4: break tackles.
Speaker 3: It was dead type of dude. So most definitely I
Speaker 3: thought Aaron Foster was a great cump full.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm excited for him each and every week.
Speaker 1: It just shows that he can do more and more
Speaker 1: in this offense. And hopefully they do find kind of
Speaker 1: a rushing identity and something that works for him earlier
Speaker 1: in games, so he gets more touches and I think
Speaker 1: that would also help the defense a little bit.
Speaker 4: And then why I say fifteen touches again, I don't
Speaker 4: care how you diving them up right, fifteen I should
Speaker 4: never lead a game, and he ain't touched about fifteen.
Speaker 1: He's shown an ability to be a playmaker and that's exciting.
Speaker 1: And someone else who's shown a tremendous ability to be
Speaker 1: a playmaker is Sam Howe. Okay, so this is a
Speaker 1: long stat so just to miss which only the eighth
Speaker 1: player in NFL history to have four games of three
Speaker 1: hundred yard passing in the first eleven career games. Okay,
Speaker 1: the first to do it since Show Burrow and Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert in twenty twenty three consecutive games with three hundred
Speaker 1: plus passing yards, the most consecutive games of three hundred
Speaker 1: plus passing yards for a Washington QB since Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: in weeks fourteen to sixteen of two sixteen. So obviously, yeah,
Speaker 1: dude's playing good football right now. It's something something, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's something. So what are our thoughts about him? And
Speaker 1: that statistic doesn't mean anything because if I was a hater,
Speaker 1: which there are haters in the national media, so I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna pair it what they said.
Speaker 3: He used to be a hater.
Speaker 1: They're saying that all this volume from a passing game
Speaker 1: is leading to these inflating statistics, kind of like he's
Speaker 1: playing in the air raid in college.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically trying to say, like, basically he Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: getting garbage time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not even garbage time. It's just worth We
Speaker 1: throw the ball seventy percent of the time.
Speaker 4: But he still got him throw it on point. He's
Speaker 4: still gotta recoveragees. As matter of fact, it's set up
Speaker 4: for him to have more ERA than the average quarterback
Speaker 4: because think about this, uly, when a quarterback comes into
Speaker 4: the game for his first couple of starts, we do
Speaker 4: everything in this world to hide him, like we do
Speaker 4: everything in here to protect him with the run game.
Speaker 3: We try to protect him with a good defense we have.
Speaker 4: Said, Sam, howe, here, here goes everything, not somethings here,
Speaker 4: oh everything, And he's excelled and gotten better weekend and
Speaker 4: week out.
Speaker 3: They can say what they want to buy, my boy.
Speaker 4: Sam snow the philth brown bastard.
Speaker 3: He will not be stopped.
Speaker 2: Hey, well, you can say what you want them if
Speaker 2: you do them, if you don't. But you look at
Speaker 2: it like this. There's been many of quarterbacks put in
Speaker 2: this situation where they had to throw the ball, and
Speaker 2: we haven't been saying the song thing. We haven't been
Speaker 2: saying the same thing about how accurate they've been. Wow,
Speaker 2: did you see that, Maria? Did you see that that
Speaker 2: clutch stroke at that moment of the game. Wow, you
Speaker 2: see him throwing to that lane, throwing to that whole.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you can talk about when is he's throwing it,
Speaker 2: how much volume it is, But you got to complete
Speaker 2: the pass, You got to give the receiver a nice
Speaker 2: ball enough to make the play. And he's done all
Speaker 2: of that. So they can screw themselves with all that.
Speaker 3: You know, because they want to. They want to find
Speaker 3: out a reason why why.
Speaker 2: Now everybody will reason.
Speaker 1: Well, also, I think to Tennis point, those haters, they
Speaker 1: don't watch the games, because if you watch the games,
Speaker 1: you see a guy who, over the course of the
Speaker 1: season understands it's a hot situation, the baldy's toe out
Speaker 1: of my hand, or hey, this is how I manipulate
Speaker 1: the safety, or hey, let me just deliver like one
Speaker 1: of the best big time throws of the season. Yes,
Speaker 1: and a critical moment against Seattle over to you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like he he delivers the goods And
Speaker 1: I think that's something so like those like the numbers,
Speaker 1: I think are great, but I think when you watch
Speaker 1: the down to down stuff, you're like, this is this
Speaker 1: is this could be something special. And I think that's
Speaker 1: why there's this conversation about him.
Speaker 4: And that's why I hate people. They will judge you
Speaker 4: about your draft status so much. I don't care. After
Speaker 4: you get into the league, I don't care what pick
Speaker 4: you were. Like at the end of the day, they
Speaker 4: holding the fifth round against him like they do any
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, the top ten quarterbacks they get drafted four
Speaker 4: out of one out of four might make it.
Speaker 3: We just happened to find our guy in the fifth round.
Speaker 1: Taking to leave it, yeah, I think. And that's the
Speaker 1: other thing is people forget that he was going to
Speaker 1: be the first quarterback selected and he slipped in the
Speaker 1: draft a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 1: And I understand why he slipped, Like I was part
Speaker 1: of that group that was a value way to him,
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, maybe this is why. Whatever, whatever,
Speaker 1: But I think you see it now and he's exceeded expectations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's showing he's a pros pro. He's showing a composure,
Speaker 1: he's showing a leadership.
Speaker 2: That's all it's about.
Speaker 1: He's done all that stuff, man, And like you said, Dan,
Speaker 1: every week, especially for the last couple of weeks, he
Speaker 1: just delivers those big time moms.
Speaker 3: The ceiling continues to rise for him.
Speaker 2: It's not like he just thought he's going out there
Speaker 2: just winging it, and you say, like, damn, he threw
Speaker 2: five balls over these guys head or through five balls
Speaker 2: in the vicinity, but it just didn't get there. You know,
Speaker 2: he's completing those passes.
Speaker 4: And it's so funny because c J Scribe, which I
Speaker 4: was a big fan of number two pick balling.
Speaker 3: Is he in the MVP race? I don't see Sam
Speaker 3: holing the MVP race.
Speaker 4: Last time my check had more yards and touchdowns than
Speaker 4: he did.
Speaker 3: See this. This is what I'm telling you.
Speaker 4: They got this this prom queen thing in the NFL
Speaker 4: with dram picks, like they want to make Meo Kappa right,
Speaker 4: They want to make him right and everybody else wrung.
Speaker 2: But it's also to I mean, just to the you know,
Speaker 2: chime in a little bit on that CJ. Stroud situation.
Speaker 2: He took a team, I mean that team they're winning
Speaker 2: games to garbage last year and now they winning games.
Speaker 2: And then he's young, he's a rookie that's playing like that.
Speaker 2: So I can see why they're talking, you know, him
Speaker 2: being MVP, you know caliber or whatever.
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Speaker 1: And so now we're doing Never tell me the odds, right, okay,
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Speaker 3: Boys.
Speaker 1: Never tell me the odds, all right, so huns odds?
Speaker 3: Who made it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, So do you remember the quote. What's the context?
Speaker 4: Well, the droid was telling him the odds of them
Speaker 4: making it through the asteroid fields. Yes, it is, and
Speaker 4: then he turned around and say, never tell me the eyes.
Speaker 1: Han Sol said it. Yeah, man, I got I gotta
Speaker 1: review that a little bit. Okay, So I'd just make
Speaker 1: the playoffs this year at four and six or roughly
Speaker 1: six percent. If we say we got a chance if yeah,
Speaker 1: if we were in the next two games, so we
Speaker 1: beat we beat the Giants, we beat Dallas, ye will
Speaker 1: be a thirty percent. So talk to me about that.
Speaker 1: It was a fiel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what if it was, We'll all be drunk. Then
Speaker 3: what it is? You don't know?
Speaker 1: That's saying you know, but it's most I mean, like,
Speaker 1: this is something that coaches used to say to me
Speaker 1: all the time. Worn say to us, Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: hey man, we're still in.
Speaker 3: Guess what we are like no matter how bad it looks.
Speaker 4: Now, if we ever gonna beat the Giants, it has
Speaker 4: to be now like it wouldn't it would never be another.
Speaker 4: The veto under centered to give us this chance. I'm
Speaker 4: telling you now, the Cowboys, I'm not worring. We always
Speaker 4: play up time party. That doesn't it will not shock
Speaker 4: me if we beat the they would not shock them out,
Speaker 4: all right. Yeah, So I'm just saying making it back
Speaker 4: to fire. Once you back to five hundred, with so
Speaker 4: many games to go, you got a legit chance to
Speaker 4: make the playoffs.
Speaker 3: And think about who were going against.
Speaker 4: It knows we're going against who the Saints, Saints like
Speaker 4: the seventh Yeah, I'm not just saying, look at the
Speaker 4: teams that we're going against to.
Speaker 3: Try to get that.
Speaker 4: All right, So the Minnesota with Josh Robs, So these
Speaker 4: are the teams. It's very good chance. Tell me the odds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think they you know, if the defense
Speaker 1: plays a little bit better over the next couples, which
Speaker 1: they might. I know it's late in the year for
Speaker 1: them to start improving, but.
Speaker 3: You can always get better.
Speaker 1: I think that Sam, the Sam thing is big for me.
Speaker 1: Sam's playing good football, having a good quarterback.
Speaker 2: No, I'm that dude man jumping the gun. No, we're
Speaker 2: not jumping any gund I know the odds, what you're saying,
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I can't look ahead. When I got
Speaker 2: the giants who we ain't beat yet, I kept about
Speaker 2: danging to beat Oo Timmy, to Beatole whoever. We gotta
Speaker 2: beat these dudes first. When you beat these guys, then
Speaker 2: we started talking about Thanksgiving and what we may do
Speaker 2: up there.
Speaker 3: What's your percentage of? But it's finally beating the giants
Speaker 3: this week?
Speaker 4: Do you you think it's an eighty percent chand we
Speaker 4: beat him sixty chands fifty?
Speaker 2: Where you at, look where I'm at. They just better
Speaker 2: beat them. Ain't no percentage, You better beat them. At
Speaker 2: the end of the day, they got a numerous of guys.
Speaker 2: That's that's ill right now, that's hurt. They got to
Speaker 2: beat old people. You got to beat Ole who Everybody
Speaker 2: saying he can't do this and can't do that. But
Speaker 2: it just be all luck. Did he go out there
Speaker 2: and look like a damn world beat us? So I'm
Speaker 2: not into that. I don't like this. I don't like
Speaker 2: to blow smoke.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about smoke. There's five and we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that more on our Friday pods. Make
Speaker 1: sure you check that out. But I Basically, what we're
Speaker 1: saying here is that and this is what I if
Speaker 1: I was to coach the team, Yeah, I'd be like, hey,
Speaker 1: how's it gone? Great? But we're still in it. We
Speaker 1: got to handle our handle our business. Business, handle our business.
Speaker 1: Let's beak the giants and then we'll see where it
Speaker 1: goes from there. But you're not out of it yet.
Speaker 1: Got to win some football games. And to me, as
Speaker 1: a player, that's all you can ask.
Speaker 4: From May the Veato look like an actor, make him
Speaker 4: look like an actor trying to play football?
Speaker 2: Make football player?
Speaker 4: No, that man has been thrust into the light and
Speaker 4: for something he didn't ask for. Listen, I don't know
Speaker 4: what's worse in the NFL right now, the backup lineman situation,
Speaker 4: the backup quarterback situa, both bat they are terrible right now.
Speaker 1: I totally agree, I think, But yeah, it'll be an
Speaker 1: interesting opportunity to kind of check that out. And again,
Speaker 1: gotta win football games and hopeful get that done. So,
Speaker 1: fred I got a.
Speaker 3: Question for you, anything you want to know.
Speaker 1: I'm so I saw you for the show next week,
Speaker 1: for the show on Friday, we're doing a pie bake off.
Speaker 1: I saw you coming with the pie.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 1: I had a question about your baking prowess. No, not
Speaker 1: your baking prowess, your farming prowess. Okay, and your process? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: How how like smarter you in terms of renewable stuff?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: I'm very smart? How smart planet? So let's talk about
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Speaker 4: Because I love the planet one. I'm a big uh.
Speaker 2: Listen, he gonna think about I'm listening.
Speaker 3: I like to recycle.
Speaker 4: I'm a big on resekay, and I'm big on come
Speaker 4: post and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So recycling, can you talk to me about your recycling process?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Like, what do you do? You just recyclable?
Speaker 4: Well, really, recycling is nothing but separating garbage from recycled bowls, recyclabobbles,
Speaker 4: plastic glass in.
Speaker 3: A certain card box. So what I do is in
Speaker 3: my in my kitchen, I got three garbage cans. I
Speaker 3: got three.
Speaker 4: Garbage cans, one for like food and trash like that. Then,
Speaker 4: but my recycl was I don't play with that. I
Speaker 4: want that separated, I want it clean. So for instant,
Speaker 4: let's just say we got a mayonnaise job. I'm not
Speaker 4: throwing them, as John, I'm gonna wash the Manai's job first,
Speaker 4: that's the etiquette. Wash it so when you put it
Speaker 4: in there, it don't smell, it, don't reach.
Speaker 1: So, Tanna, is glass recyclable?
Speaker 3: Yes? Is it is?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: Is it? Fro, don't ask me out there? Everything in garbage.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that glass is recycled.
Speaker 3: I know they do.
Speaker 4: They refresh, they clean it, and they can't they can't
Speaker 4: break it back down to liquid and reshape it and
Speaker 4: make more liquid.
Speaker 1: What the hell you talking about? It's sand right, yes,
Speaker 1: but guess what it starts out.
Speaker 3: It's looking before it hard molten molten.
Speaker 1: Okay you're saying, but I don't know about this class thing.
Speaker 1: So we actually have an expert here, Ross, Yeah, Ross,
Speaker 1: Guberman is an expert in recycling, and so he's gonna
Speaker 1: join us and we're gonna ask him some questions about Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what we brought him in. You thought he was
Speaker 1: a special guest. No, he's here. We've brought him here.
Speaker 1: We brought him here because I knew you were full
Speaker 1: of malarkey. So Ross, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3: LEAs can be clean, It can be.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it can't be cleaned, but.
Speaker 3: And you can probably see it back to the same
Speaker 3: as that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's why Ross is here. Ross. Are you
Speaker 1: so Ross? What is your official title?
Speaker 6: My title is Senior Vice President of Sustainability at RTS RTIs.
Speaker 1: So that's a pretty So Fred, you're sweating now.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Look at look at him, look at his.
Speaker 3: Hold on, let me get no eye not.
Speaker 4: I'm doing it from the consumers, the customers side of recycle.
Speaker 3: So he's doing it from the top.
Speaker 1: He's here because he's gonna tell us what Fred said.
Speaker 1: Was there anything factually incorrect about what Fred said? With
Speaker 1: regards to his recycling process.
Speaker 6: The process of cleaning it all is spot on. You
Speaker 6: gotta clean your exactly.
Speaker 1: No one's disputing that.
Speaker 6: Nothing there. The glass, that's a tricky one. One I
Speaker 6: would say, try to reuse it. That's a higher, higher
Speaker 6: use for it. The recycling is really tricky with glass.
Speaker 6: It gets broken down. A lot of places don't want it.
Speaker 6: In Virginia, you need like those special purple bins, usually
Speaker 6: for grass recycling, although wise it's kind of trash.
Speaker 1: Did you have do you have a special purple bin?
Speaker 1: I'm for your recycling.
Speaker 3: We need idiots, definitely.
Speaker 4: We've been recycling making.
Speaker 1: So that's that's not that's not recycling, that's reusing.
Speaker 6: That's a higher use.
Speaker 1: That's a higher use. So when you say higher use,
Speaker 1: what do you mean by that?
Speaker 6: So you want to think of the highest and best
Speaker 6: use for materials? One, can you reduce using it in
Speaker 6: the first place? And then you go down the kind
Speaker 6: of list can I repair it? Can I reuse it?
Speaker 6: All the way to it kind of get recycling, which
Speaker 6: I think is the end of the line before you
Speaker 6: have to.
Speaker 1: And so why so glass is not super recyclable.
Speaker 6: This is really heavy and like there's there's not really
Speaker 6: a market for it. Like sometimes you'll see shiny like
Speaker 6: sidewalks or road because they put glass in some of that.
Speaker 6: So they use it as filler and concrete and stuff
Speaker 6: like that. But there's not tons of great use for glass.
Speaker 6: So if there's not a market for it, there's not
Speaker 6: really an economist to recycling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so we in addition to giving you
Speaker 1: a hard time about your lack of recycling knowledge, but
Speaker 1: to be fair, before I talked to Ross, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that glass was kind of borderline recyclable. We got
Speaker 1: a game today, So you do a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: at the stadium, right, Ross, Yes, yes, And so we
Speaker 1: are going to do a quick game. How would you
Speaker 1: describe this game? Jason? You had a good name for it,
Speaker 1: catch phrase, right, And so basically we will go around
Speaker 1: the group and say things we think are recyclable at
Speaker 1: the stadium as a consumer. Okay, So I who wants
Speaker 1: to start?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm always good herd Okay, you're gonna start?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So okay, so and Ross is gonna judge it.
Speaker 1: So Jason, we just go real quick through the whole thing,
Speaker 1: or how do we do it?
Speaker 3: Five seconds?
Speaker 4: My number one recyclable thing at the stadium the plastic
Speaker 4: beer cup?
Speaker 3: Is it? If they do the beer snaked? All?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: That the cup is not getting recycled?
Speaker 3: What what? Now? I knew a lot of recycling was
Speaker 3: getting sent to a japan.
Speaker 1: One whoa calm down.
Speaker 6: Recycling used to go overseas.
Speaker 1: So I'm blown away by that plastic cup is not
Speaker 1: getting recycled.
Speaker 6: Plastic cups are recyclable, but when it's standing mixed with
Speaker 6: all this other stuff, it's not gonna get recycled. Usually
Speaker 6: at the facility.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, so I'm gonna say you're out
Speaker 1: I guess according to Jason, you're out of the game,
Speaker 1: You're done, Like, I don't know how this when we
Speaker 1: got to I'm gonna say, I'm gonna do they sell
Speaker 1: metal beer cans at the stadium?
Speaker 3: Jason, Yeah, illumine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say an aluminum beer can would be recyclable.
Speaker 3: May you action, Jason?
Speaker 1: Cause I never I never been to a game like
Speaker 1: I guess as a as a fan. I watched the
Speaker 1: game in the press box.
Speaker 3: What they serve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never.
Speaker 1: Got into concessions. If you got concessions, I go up
Speaker 1: to the press box.
Speaker 6: Presuming that bottle is empty and free of the liquid,
Speaker 6: then yes, recyclable.
Speaker 2: Okay, my question will be the food, the little carton
Speaker 2: food tray.
Speaker 3: It's our ratary, it's cardboard.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like like styrophonm carton type of.
Speaker 6: So it is recyclable, but it's not getting recycled here
Speaker 6: because it's mixed with food, is missed with other stuff.
Speaker 6: Most people are probably putting into the trash with all their.
Speaker 1: Other right, yeah, so so it's not good. So the
Speaker 1: only way to get that to be recyclab to be
Speaker 1: if it's clean.
Speaker 6: So for recycling to get recycled, it to be clean
Speaker 6: and free of contamination.
Speaker 1: At me, what I say it, They're from the dough
Speaker 1: so I win the game.
Speaker 2: So tell me so tell me. So when we're home, right,
Speaker 2: and they have these big old containing these garbage containers
Speaker 2: and saying you need to recycle the stuff that you use.
Speaker 2: Why is it that we recycling all this stuff that's
Speaker 2: not clean, that's not going to be recyclable.
Speaker 6: That's more that means you're recycling wrong.
Speaker 2: But who talking about this is the first time I've
Speaker 2: heard that the stuff that people telling you that to recycle,
Speaker 2: you can't use it if it's been contaminated.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's and it's been all over the.
Speaker 2: So I've been doing the right thing.
Speaker 6: Actually, that's that's true. Also, if you're not going to
Speaker 6: clean it, it's better to go in the trash. It's
Speaker 6: if it goes to the facility dirty, it just takes
Speaker 6: more money.
Speaker 3: You Actually, somebody don't say that. Don't say thank you
Speaker 3: for smooth?
Speaker 1: Why are we thinking you?
Speaker 3: Because I said that is the number one thing you said.
Speaker 6: One thing is can I reduce what I'm making the
Speaker 6: first place?
Speaker 1: Reduce what you're making? So what's an example of reducing
Speaker 1: what you're doing.
Speaker 6: When you go to the grocery store, you see things
Speaker 6: that are packaged five times in plastic bags. You know,
Speaker 6: can you buy something different? Can you buy something that's loose?
Speaker 3: You know that, can you buy stuff?
Speaker 6: Can you get refills?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: You're thinking about your consumption habits are probably that the
Speaker 6: best choice you have.
Speaker 2: So it's better to reuse it than recycle it.
Speaker 6: You reuse and then recycle.
Speaker 3: Coffee beans stop.
Speaker 1: You don't want to grow coffee. So so one thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about. So at the stadium,
Speaker 1: we were talking about recycling at the stadium. One of
Speaker 1: the things you guys are thinking about implementing there is
Speaker 1: a thing called cycle. Is that correct? Can you explain
Speaker 1: what that is?
Speaker 6: Cycle? Buy ERTs. It's really fun and exciting. It's a
Speaker 6: way to engage the fans directly with recycling. It's a
Speaker 6: reverse vending machine like you've seen a grocery stores. You
Speaker 6: put the bottle and cans in and normally you get
Speaker 6: money out. In this case, it's rewards platform, so you're
Speaker 6: getting different rewards. You could get tickets to game. Do
Speaker 6: you discounts at the fans store? You're able to then
Speaker 6: get a clean stream of those bottles and cans and
Speaker 6: make sure as you get recycled we collect date on it.
Speaker 6: So it's a really fun way to engage people's in sustainability.
Speaker 6: It's often you don't get to see you don't get
Speaker 6: to see energy efficiency, you don't see this stuff going
Speaker 6: in the back of house if they affect the food way.
Speaker 6: So this is a way to really showcase sustainability and
Speaker 6: get the fans involved if you.
Speaker 1: Use this this model other places and how.
Speaker 6: Successful it was at the super Bowl, so anyone who
Speaker 6: got to go to the super Bowl has it. We're
Speaker 6: working with a bunch of other teams and stadiums. We
Speaker 6: have one at Red Rocks in Colorado at the concert Hall.
Speaker 6: So it's it's really fun, it's really engaging. Everyone really
Speaker 6: kind of gets into it. You'll see people kind of
Speaker 6: like running around collecting bottles and cans just to get
Speaker 6: in there because it's rewards.
Speaker 4: Guys you're talking about you brought up some recycling the
Speaker 4: cans up and say when we was young, growing up
Speaker 4: the hood, recycling. We were recycling the same e we
Speaker 4: were recycling to eat. So the can man, the guy
Speaker 4: that takes all the aluminum, it's dead illuminum that's being crushed.
Speaker 3: Is it being recycled.
Speaker 6: Yes, So aluminum is almost infinitely recyclable. It's always domestic.
Speaker 6: So again kind of going back to when you buy things,
Speaker 6: try to buy things in metal, then plastic, and then
Speaker 6: last glass. So think of when you buy beer canned,
Speaker 6: Like I always go for canned beer glass bottles because
Speaker 6: it's just it's a higher impact for glass. It's really heavy,
Speaker 6: it breaks everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that was like my little Saturday morning little thing.
Speaker 2: I used to go out and crush the cans and
Speaker 2: my dad doesn't use for the last month or whatever
Speaker 2: it was. And you know, the beers he bought was
Speaker 2: a life and I used to crush them and then
Speaker 2: we bag them up. Yeah, I go, I go get
Speaker 2: me a couple of logan.
Speaker 1: I used to do. I used to do that. I
Speaker 1: used to have a big collection of aluminum cancers. I'd
Speaker 1: get allowance. So my allowance was any any any.
Speaker 3: I got allowed to leave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's what I'm saying. So i'd have to
Speaker 1: get like any can if you had a big party,
Speaker 1: keep all the cans anything that kind of like with
Speaker 1: the with the five cent recycling on the bottom. I
Speaker 1: think you could do glass at the time.
Speaker 3: And then wasn't at the bottom tops to it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was a bottle tops. So that's so
Speaker 1: you talked about something interesting there with the glass first
Speaker 1: metal bottles and like diverting. Can you elaborate on that
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So when you want to like think about your
Speaker 6: choices and you're consuming and you want to be able
Speaker 6: to divert things away from a landfill or incinerator, you're
Speaker 6: trying to think of like what can actually be recycled
Speaker 6: at a facility. So again thinking is it made out
Speaker 6: of metal. We're trying to avoid plast but plastic is
Speaker 6: still generally much more recyclable over glass, just because.
Speaker 1: Oh really goss crazy glass.
Speaker 6: Like you go to these facilities, they have mountains of glass.
Speaker 6: They're holding onto this material until the day they find
Speaker 6: a good contract come to do with it. Really, glass
Speaker 6: is really used for filler and stuff like this. Like
Speaker 6: our parents glass was reused, so it made much sense.
Speaker 6: It's a party, you know, you bring it back to
Speaker 6: the store, you fill with your coca cola, your milk bottle.
Speaker 6: It made sense then, but now you're probably not refilling
Speaker 6: your glass bottle. So it's just shattering and it's breaking,
Speaker 6: and it's getting mixed into all other materials. So it's
Speaker 6: actually contaminating a lot of recycling.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Well that's fascinating.
Speaker 4: How people think is if we think, kid Like, I
Speaker 4: was like, why don't they just throw out a glass
Speaker 4: in the volcano?
Speaker 3: Just a good aco, just go to Hawaii.
Speaker 6: It's got one that's about to go off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll put it in there. My dad said
Speaker 1: that he used to work for for NASA in the
Speaker 1: aerospace industry and there was a big program when I
Speaker 1: was younger to launch trash this space. And then someone
Speaker 1: who's in a meeting was like, well what if it
Speaker 1: explodes and then you get all this trash raining down
Speaker 1: or it's like radioactive waste. So you got to think
Speaker 1: about the transport of that stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just doubt that the Earth already has this
Speaker 4: this this girl, this recycled machine called the volcano for
Speaker 4: the glass, and I just think the well incinerated, right
Speaker 4: if I dumped a lot of this glass in there.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you know, but that is
Speaker 1: a thing. They incinerate trash.
Speaker 6: Right, Yes, incineration is definitely wayed tree trash, and some
Speaker 6: of it collects energy. Some of this kind of straight incineration.
Speaker 1: When you say.
Speaker 6: Collects energy knocks everywhere. It's like, you don't want to
Speaker 6: live near a landfill. You don't want to live near incinerator.
Speaker 6: So where are they being housed? What communities are they affecting? Again,
Speaker 6: if you're reducing what you're making, then you don't have
Speaker 6: to bury it. You don't have to burn it.
Speaker 3: Ain't they like ciphering like gas from landfills? Like, uh yeah,
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of nothing.
Speaker 6: So all that food you put in the trash, when
Speaker 6: it goes to the landfill, there's no oxygen being mixed
Speaker 6: sense releasing all this nothing is very co in for
Speaker 6: greenhouse glasses. And that's accelerating climate.
Speaker 3: And so they're drawing it from the bottom.
Speaker 6: Right, So there's leeches, so there's you have food sitting around,
Speaker 6: it's all liquid and gross. So that goes down to
Speaker 6: the bottle and the gas is going So tell me this.
Speaker 2: Who's using that? That that methane? Whatever?
Speaker 6: They travel so they try to trap the methane and
Speaker 6: they put it generate. They will generate energy electricity interesting well.
Speaker 2: Get energy from so many other places where we're spending
Speaker 2: money for it. Why we can't just go do that?
Speaker 3: Well, because it comes, it's.
Speaker 1: Coming, all, why don't we ask Ross? Is that who's
Speaker 1: the expert? You? Yeah, says common.
Speaker 3: Ross. What do we use?
Speaker 2: It's a world where they want to get your damn
Speaker 2: use the mean thing, the heat, the heat factories used
Speaker 2: the heat?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Ross?
Speaker 6: So methane gets captured, it gets burned, it turns, you know, turbine,
Speaker 6: so eventually generate extricity. Sometimes they can't do that. It
Speaker 6: breaks down. They have to like burn the gas. You've
Speaker 6: seen you've gone through industry. Sometimes they have flames coming
Speaker 6: out and they just they can't really do anything. Also,
Speaker 6: it's not a sustainable way to do it. It's it's
Speaker 6: better than letting it go out into the US.
Speaker 3: Me and you and then it's deal.
Speaker 1: So so Ross, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: And hopefully Fred you've learned something today about not saying.
Speaker 3: We knew we was on the same levels.
Speaker 4: Stop man, if y'all need to hire somebody, just no
Speaker 4: captain planet.
Speaker 6: We're gonna give that on mind.
Speaker 1: So, Ross, thank you so much for joining us, and
Speaker 1: let's go do it for today's show. Thanks so much.
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