Speaker 1: Hi everyone. Welcome to Packers Unscripted, or should I say
Speaker 1: welcome back. We've been dark for a little while here
Speaker 1: in the studio from Packers dot Com. I am Mike
Speaker 1: Spofford alongside as always my partner in crime, West Hodkowits
Speaker 1: coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field West.
Speaker 1: I've taken a little time off. You've got some time
Speaker 1: off coming up. Matt Lafleur has been filling out his
Speaker 1: coaching staff here for with the Packers, so we'll squeeze
Speaker 1: in a couple of shows here to talk about what's
Speaker 1: going on with these coaches as the vast majority are
Speaker 1: now in place, and we'll focus this show today on
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. I'll give you the
Speaker 1: quick rundown here. The new names on the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett offensive coordinator, wide receivers, Elvis Witted tight ends,
Speaker 1: just an out and offensive line Adam Stanovich assistant offensive
Speaker 1: lying Loot excuse me, Luke butt Kiss, and then a
Speaker 1: couple of familiar names, quarterback coach Luke Getsy, coming back
Speaker 1: to the Packers after a year away in the college ranks.
Speaker 1: He coached wide receivers here before and then Ben Sermons
Speaker 1: sticking around to coach running back. So as this group
Speaker 1: takes shape west, what are your initial impressions kind of
Speaker 1: of the collective? Impressive, young, impressive. I think you're seeing
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in their thirties, but for the
Speaker 1: most part, each one of them individually has really impressive resumes.
Speaker 1: To speak of Nathaniel Hackett coming over from the Jacksonville Jaguar,
Speaker 1: spent a number of years there, obviously, the son of
Speaker 1: Paul Hackett, one of the big innovators of the NFL,
Speaker 1: A mentor to Mike McCarthy, and I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: see how this this group shapes up. Before we get
Speaker 1: into all the new coaches, I just want to take
Speaker 1: a minute, though, to to talk about Ben Sermons coming back.
Speaker 1: Luke getsy return earning to Green Bay with Sermons, what
Speaker 1: he's done with that group over the last three years,
Speaker 1: what he's had to work with, uh, the I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's any position coach that's had to overcome
Speaker 1: as much adversity as Sermons has had to. So when
Speaker 1: it was announced that he would be returning as running
Speaker 1: backs coach, I thought that was a big plus for
Speaker 1: this offense and with Luke Getzy, and we're gonna get
Speaker 1: a chance here in the coming weeks to talk to
Speaker 1: him his reasons for coming back to Green Bay after
Speaker 1: the year spent with Mississippi State as the offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: slash receivers coach. I'll say this about Luke Getzi. I
Speaker 1: don't know in my time on the beat if there
Speaker 1: has been a young coach that's coming as a quality
Speaker 1: control coach that has looked more the part of a
Speaker 1: leader of a high level future head coach than Luke
Speaker 1: Getz has. Uh. He's diversified his resume. I don't want
Speaker 1: to put words in Aaron Rodgers mouth right now, but
Speaker 1: I from what I recall from a few years ago,
Speaker 1: spoke really highly of him as a coach. So to
Speaker 1: get him back, regardless of its quarterbacks, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: I just think it's the same move last year is
Speaker 1: getting retaining Jerry Montgomery after there's a little flirtation with
Speaker 1: the college rinks. I just think this is a guy
Speaker 1: that's meant for the pros. I think he's meant to
Speaker 1: coach at a high level. Yeah, and it's interesting too
Speaker 1: with regards to Getsy, we saw him as wide receivers
Speaker 1: coach here in Green Bay come up with a lot
Speaker 1: of I guess you'd call him innovative drills with his players.
Speaker 1: You know, they the wide receivers were catching bricks before
Speaker 1: they hit the ground, you know, both for the hand
Speaker 1: eye coordination, the reaction, and for the strength in the
Speaker 1: hand and the fingers, all those things incorporated. They would
Speaker 1: juggle tennis balls and even do the juggling where they
Speaker 1: would throw the tennis balls off the wall and then
Speaker 1: have to catch them coming back. I don't know what
Speaker 1: he's got in store for Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I'm really
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see what what Luke comes up
Speaker 1: with now that he's that he's Aaron Rodgers position coach.
Speaker 1: But yes, you're right, Rogers spoke very highly of him
Speaker 1: when he was working with those wide receivers. And plenty
Speaker 1: of veteran guys too, and you're talking Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson.
Speaker 1: These are the guys that that Luke gets he worked
Speaker 1: with on a regular basis. And just to throw out
Speaker 1: there too, I know some people are asking award of
Speaker 1: their credentials there. Well, one, he played quarterback, he's been there.
Speaker 1: But the other thing I think is really underrated that
Speaker 1: not a lot of people have talked about that one season,
Speaker 1: that experimental season where Mike McCarthy had Alex Van Pelt
Speaker 1: coaching both the quarterbacks and the receivers. He had both
Speaker 1: of those rooms gets he was sort of his number two,
Speaker 1: uh in terms of assisting him there, and so he
Speaker 1: has some history already working with Rogers. Certainly there's the
Speaker 1: synergy between the receiver and quarterback positions. I'm sure he
Speaker 1: did a whale of a job at Mississippi State. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he did a tremendous job, you know, with the
Speaker 1: success they had this past season. I just think, though,
Speaker 1: when I see him, when I look at him, when
Speaker 1: I see how he interacted with those players, despite being
Speaker 1: a younger coach, he just screams NFL coach to me.
Speaker 1: So it's good in that regard to see him back
Speaker 1: in what I feel to be his wheelhouse. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: starting at the top on the offensive side with Nathaniel Hackett.
Speaker 1: He when you look at their coaches, no matter where
Speaker 1: they come from in the NFL, there's usually somebody that
Speaker 1: that has thought very highly of them along the way
Speaker 1: and brought them along. And when you look at Nathaniel Hackett.
Speaker 1: That guy would be Doug Moron. He has worked with
Speaker 1: Maron at Syracuse, worked with him with the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 1: then again with the Jacksonville Jaguars. I know there was
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I think this is a really interesting
Speaker 1: higher pairing Nathaniel Hackett. You mentioned the son of Paul
Speaker 1: Hackett and all that. With Matt Lafleur, another young offensive mind,
Speaker 1: there seemed to be I don't know what you thought.
Speaker 1: I I sensed a lot of skepticism in the fan
Speaker 1: reaction to this higher because there seemed to be uh
Speaker 1: with with Hackett what he did with Blake Bortles and Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: There was sort of the peak that he hit, and
Speaker 1: then everybody started wondering, well then why did it go south?
Speaker 1: Like why didn't it work out? How come he couldn't
Speaker 1: sustain that with Blake Bortles. And to me, it's a
Speaker 1: pretty simple answer. It was Blake Bortles. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is it's not Aaron Rodgers, it's not Drew Brees, it's
Speaker 1: not you know, I mean so, and I don't mean
Speaker 1: to you know, I don't mean to degrade Blake Bortles,
Speaker 1: but you know, he is who he is and where
Speaker 1: he is in his career versus the guy that Nathaniel
Speaker 1: Hackett is gonna be working with now. And to me,
Speaker 1: this combination, my point is this combination of Hackett and
Speaker 1: La Fleur offensively, their backgrounds, what they bring and what
Speaker 1: they're going to what they're gonna bring to this offense
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers and stuff. I'm really excited to see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am too, Mike. And then one thing I want
Speaker 1: to point out with Hackett, when you know we've talked
Speaker 1: over the past a few years, you think back to
Speaker 1: maybe Jared Cook when he came to Green Bay and
Speaker 1: in saying what it's going to be like to play
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers after not really having a quarterback like that. Um,
Speaker 1: It's happened a number of times. Mercedes Lewis talked about
Speaker 1: some of the challenges that he felt there were in
Speaker 1: Jacksonville just with the structure you know of Again, I
Speaker 1: don't want to pile on Blake Bortles, but Blake Bortles
Speaker 1: isn't Aaron Rodgers. That's the point I'm trying to make exactly.
Speaker 1: That's the point I was so for Nathaniel Hackett now
Speaker 1: to get an opportunity to work with Rogers, to work
Speaker 1: with this offense. I think you can look at his
Speaker 1: resume and it's an accomplished resume, but from the pro level,
Speaker 1: he hasn't had weapons like this to to work off of.
Speaker 1: There were challenges in Jacksonville, there were challenges with the Bills,
Speaker 1: and certainly when you go back to his time with
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So for him to have Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers from Matt Lafleur um them having Luke Getzie, a
Speaker 1: guy that has experienced with Rodgers altogether in that room,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a big benefit for them
Speaker 1: and seeing exactly what they can dial up with some
Speaker 1: young innovative offensive minds, you know, to to work with
Speaker 1: one of the game's best. Well, Hackett's best offense in
Speaker 1: Jacksonville with Boardles obviously at quarterback, was when he had
Speaker 1: Leonard four Nette had that big rookie season for the
Speaker 1: Jaguars and really focused on the running games. So that
Speaker 1: makes you wonder, you know, just where, um where the
Speaker 1: emphasies so to speak, might be with this Packers offense
Speaker 1: with Lafleur and Hackett. And we talked before about what
Speaker 1: Lafleur did in Tennessee when he was dealing with injuries
Speaker 1: at quarterback, and he really turned them into a power
Speaker 1: running team. So all of those backgrounds, and like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to try to predict exactly how they're
Speaker 1: going to structure this offense surround Aaron Rodgers based on
Speaker 1: their backgrounds and what they've what they bring, but what
Speaker 1: they do bring is a history of being able to
Speaker 1: adjust and make the most of of what they've got there.
Speaker 1: And I know things with Hackett went a little bit
Speaker 1: south in Jacksonville when when Bordles wasn't able to sustain
Speaker 1: his level of play and they fell off after reaching
Speaker 1: the a f C Championship game and as some would say,
Speaker 1: they came one inadvertent whistle away from going to a
Speaker 1: super Bowl. But but it's an interesting mix. And then
Speaker 1: you throw in Alvis Witted coming to coach the wide receivers. Now,
Speaker 1: this is a coach who's been in the college ranks
Speaker 1: for a number of years at Colorado State, but he
Speaker 1: also played in the NFL for nine seasons, So an
Speaker 1: experienced NFL wide receiver coached a couple of All Americans
Speaker 1: at wide receiver at at Colorado State for the Rams
Speaker 1: out there in the Rocky Mountains. So your impressions of
Speaker 1: Alvis Witted when you look at at his I don't
Speaker 1: want to make this into Okay, what's the best higher?
Speaker 1: I don't like playing that game, but I have to
Speaker 1: say this is probably the higher I'm most excited about
Speaker 1: for the Packers. I was thinking about this, and this
Speaker 1: is no disrespect anyone who came before Witted in that
Speaker 1: receiver coach position. Certainly Edgar Bennett was very accomplished, but
Speaker 1: I I'm trying to think back. I think you probably
Speaker 1: have to go back to the Jimmy Robinson days for
Speaker 1: a guy that that played the position and is as
Speaker 1: credential that the position he's coaching as Witted is. Uh.
Speaker 1: That's why I think for me, when I saw his
Speaker 1: name come up, it was one of the more exciting ones.
Speaker 1: Not just because of what he brings, not because of
Speaker 1: the NFL experience, not because of the three All Americans
Speaker 1: that he's had at Colorado State. It's the fact that
Speaker 1: he has a lot of young receivers to work with. Now, Uh,
Speaker 1: Davante Adams, you still want to keep him on the incline.
Speaker 1: You still want to be able to, you know, work
Speaker 1: with your Jake Cumrose and your your gern Way Elson's.
Speaker 1: But let's face it, Mike, they drafted three young receivers
Speaker 1: last year. There stands to reason they could bring in
Speaker 1: another one this offseason, depending on how things shake out.
Speaker 1: You want to have a guy that has experience maximizing
Speaker 1: talent from guys in their early twenties. Winded has that.
Speaker 1: You look at it right now. Michael Gallup, third round
Speaker 1: pick last year for Dallas. They're very excited about him.
Speaker 1: Richard Higgins, fifth round pick for Cleveland, has started to
Speaker 1: make his jump in Preston Williams. We're gonna see how
Speaker 1: all this works out with the NFL draft process here.
Speaker 1: But another guy that I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: are excited about. They call it receiver. You. I mean,
Speaker 1: they had a big I don't know if you saw
Speaker 1: it or not. They had a big package. Thanking him
Speaker 1: for his contributions at the school and now gets his
Speaker 1: chance to try his hand coaching at the NFL level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if I'm not mistaken, Williams was a second team
Speaker 1: All American and then the other two draft picks you
Speaker 1: mentioned were first term to All American wide receivers. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot to talk about there
Speaker 1: before this gets away from me. Uh though, West, I
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Speaker 1: I guess thank you well on the offensive line. Here
Speaker 1: a couple of other um new names that will be
Speaker 1: coming to Green Bay. Adam Stenovitch interesting here he will
Speaker 1: be the offensive line coach. Luke Butkuss his assistant on
Speaker 1: the offensive line, and Stanovic, a Wisconsin native from Marshfield,
Speaker 1: originally a two time first team All Big Ten player
Speaker 1: at left tackle at the University of Michigan. Surprisingly, with
Speaker 1: those credentials, did not get drafted. Um actually spent time
Speaker 1: in Green Bay as an undrafted young player in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, which was Mike McCarthy's first season here,
Speaker 1: ended up going to NFL Europe, and Um eventually got
Speaker 1: into coaching. Now this is a promotion of sorts for
Speaker 1: him that he will be the offensive line coach. Has
Speaker 1: been the assistant offensive line coach for the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty Niners under Kyle Shanahan. Um, they're fairly new head
Speaker 1: coach out there. UM. This will be Uh, this will
Speaker 1: be interesting because, as we talked about on one of
Speaker 1: our previous shows, when James camp and departed, you talk
Speaker 1: about a a respected, accomplished, long time NFL head coach.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about a new guy, a new young
Speaker 1: guy coming in there's gonna be a lot of veterans
Speaker 1: in that offensive line room, but this is this is
Speaker 1: a hungry coach who was getting a promotion. He's getting
Speaker 1: his chance to really show what he can do. And
Speaker 1: he's got on a pro to work with. And David
Speaker 1: bak tr Uh you know, Pro Bowl alternate type and
Speaker 1: Corey Linsley, Brian Blaga, same type of level of player.
Speaker 1: So a lot of experience in that offensive line room
Speaker 1: and a young coach is going to be looking to
Speaker 1: prove himself. Yeah. What I really like about this situation
Speaker 1: here is, uh, you can talk about James Camping and
Speaker 1: what a run he had, I mean, you know, tied
Speaker 1: with Hog Hanner for the longest you know, tenure as
Speaker 1: a concurrent assistant on the staff fifteen years. Really impressive.
Speaker 1: But there was a time where James Campon was a
Speaker 1: former high school football coach that was an assistant offensive
Speaker 1: line coach in Green Bay underneath Joe Philbin and he
Speaker 1: had to work his way up to That's what I
Speaker 1: like about the move with Stenovich. He has experience in
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur's system, in the in the MIC and Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan system. So from that regard, there on a you know,
Speaker 1: an equal wavelength and in terms of what they're thinking
Speaker 1: into it, it's giving a young guy an opportunity. And
Speaker 1: I think when you look at Stanovich where he came from,
Speaker 1: the fact that he's a lifelong offensive lineman, like camping,
Speaker 1: he had a cup of tea cup of cough be
Speaker 1: in the NFL camp and stent that lasted a little
Speaker 1: bit longer, but he's worked his way up and now
Speaker 1: is you know, walking into this opportunity. So yes, young
Speaker 1: guy again as you mentioned, But I just think when
Speaker 1: you're talking about somebody at that position with the experiences
Speaker 1: that he has, uh, you want to give him a
Speaker 1: shot and you want to see what they have to offer.
Speaker 1: And I think in that regard, without having a chance
Speaker 1: to talk to Senovic, he had about what his his
Speaker 1: outlook is on this opportunity and a lot of accomplished
Speaker 1: guys that he's going to be coaching there, you just
Speaker 1: have to feel like this is the type of move
Speaker 1: as they look to make that next step that that
Speaker 1: it makes sense for Matt Lafleur in this offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to me just looking at his resume.
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, a two time first team all big
Speaker 1: ten left tackle, but yet somehow doesn't get drafted with
Speaker 1: those types of credentials. And that's an interesting, an interesting
Speaker 1: thing to me from the standpoint of, you know, a
Speaker 1: training camp starts with you know what, fourteen maybe fifteen
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. There are always a handful of those guys,
Speaker 1: young guys who were in that room, who are who
Speaker 1: they have similar type of credentials, and they're sitting there going,
Speaker 1: how come I didn't get drafted? You know, we we
Speaker 1: talked about a guy like Lane Taylor who just gets
Speaker 1: overlooked and eventually needs to make his way as as
Speaker 1: an undrafted That's weird because he was a guard. No,
Speaker 1: guards don't give respect. Tackles usually did. And but but
Speaker 1: Stanovich is a guy who's going to be in front
Speaker 1: of in front of those young hopefuls, knowing exactly what
Speaker 1: they're thinking and exactly what they're going through. And I
Speaker 1: think from that standpoint, from that that whole developmental standpoint,
Speaker 1: I think he's going to have a way to connect
Speaker 1: with with some of those guys, much like James Camping,
Speaker 1: because because Camping came from, you know, the the humble beginnings.
Speaker 1: In terms of a professional career as well. And the
Speaker 1: thing about Campy two is that he could take himself
Speaker 1: with being sort of an everyman. He could take his
Speaker 1: personality and he could tailor to Brian Blaga, you know,
Speaker 1: a guy that had all these credentials and all these
Speaker 1: accolades coming out of Iowa, first round draft pick, and
Speaker 1: get on a level with him. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: with the huge heart that he had, he could look
Speaker 1: at a guy like Justin mccraig who has been chewed
Speaker 1: up and spit out by the NFL and is trying
Speaker 1: to clause way back in the league. He could relate
Speaker 1: to that guy too and get the most out of him.
Speaker 1: That that's what camp he did so well and and
Speaker 1: God bless him, That's that's what's led to his new
Speaker 1: opportunity and in Cleveland as an associate head coach. He
Speaker 1: knows how to get the most out of players. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's gonna be the thing that you know, Stenovich
Speaker 1: is gonna have to do. But you look at what
Speaker 1: he had to work with in San Francisco. You know,
Speaker 1: you have Joe Staley out there who's done it all,
Speaker 1: seen it all, played through all the games and conditions
Speaker 1: and earned his respect. So yeah, certainly there's gonna be
Speaker 1: approving ground. But at the same time, I think you
Speaker 1: look in with that position, there's just a brotherhood there.
Speaker 1: So regardless of what your credentials say or what your
Speaker 1: resume says, if you know how to coach, the guys
Speaker 1: are gonna listen. And and for Matt Lafleur, he's been
Speaker 1: impressed enough with Stanovitch to give him this opportunity. And
Speaker 1: his assistant will be Luke but Kiss And of course
Speaker 1: if you recognize that name, he is the nephew of
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Famer and former Chicago Bears
Speaker 1: great at linebacker Dick Buckis. And you're stopping there. The
Speaker 1: Hang Time actor, that's a big one, Michael. That just
Speaker 1: goes along with the resume. I mean we're talking about
Speaker 1: coach Mike here. I mean that for me as a child, Michael,
Speaker 1: that was one of my formidable moments watching that show.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that the Hall of Fame thing linebacker, that's
Speaker 1: cool too. Did you ever watch Hang Time? It's a
Speaker 1: great show. Dude that didn't go back and watch. I
Speaker 1: learned a lot of lessons. But okay, you can continue.
Speaker 1: You know what I was gonna say is certainly followed
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways in his uncle's footsteps. Was
Speaker 1: a player at the University of Illinois, although he was
Speaker 1: on the offensive side. He was a center, an All
Speaker 1: Big ten center for the line. I and then did
Speaker 1: uh play for the Chicago Bears. Also coached with the
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. Um and he and most recently he was
Speaker 1: the offensive line coach at the University of Illinois under
Speaker 1: a couple of different head coaches, most recently Love E. Smith. Um.
Speaker 1: Interesting to Uh. I just wonder what it's going to
Speaker 1: feel like for him to put on a packer shirt
Speaker 1: for the first time. That may be a question he
Speaker 1: gets the first time he faces the media, like, oh,
Speaker 1: what was it like to put that shirt on? Some
Speaker 1: people saying uncle Dick to seeing what his thoughts are
Speaker 1: gonna be on And I'm sure he's gonna understand that
Speaker 1: his nephew wants to go out and get a job
Speaker 1: and make him. Here's what I love about it, though
Speaker 1: we don't have the technology to like put up his picture,
Speaker 1: but take away the name, take away the titles. If
Speaker 1: you take Luke buck Kiss his photo and say what
Speaker 1: position does he coach? I mean immediately you're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: oh offensive, he just looks like an offensive line coach. Um.
Speaker 1: And the thing I wrote about this an inbox last
Speaker 1: week when you were gone. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: caught it or not, but I just really like, kind
Speaker 1: of in a smaller way from Winted is this is
Speaker 1: a guy that for the most part, he's cut his
Speaker 1: teeth at the college ranks and had a number of
Speaker 1: different stints with Illinois and including the last few years
Speaker 1: with Lovey Smith. But I just I really like him
Speaker 1: taking his game to the next level. He was you know,
Speaker 1: you're an offensive line coach and you need need to
Speaker 1: be able to maximize that. But it's just the game
Speaker 1: changes when you get to the NFL. So you know,
Speaker 1: there was a great rapport between James Camp and in
Speaker 1: Jeff blasco there. Now seeing how buck Kiss and Stenovitch
Speaker 1: come together, two younger guys both under forty, I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see that. Yeah, and one guy we haven't talked
Speaker 1: a whole lot about yet at tight ends justin out
Speaker 1: and now I'll admit I don't know a whole lot
Speaker 1: about him, but this is a promotion for him as well.
Speaker 1: He's kind of getting a position group. He's been an
Speaker 1: offensive assistant in the NFL in the past, he's now
Speaker 1: getting a position group of his own for the first time.
Speaker 1: And um, quite frankly, Wes, this is maybe the position
Speaker 1: group that is the most unsettled, you might say, heading
Speaker 1: into for the Packers on offense, because we just don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. With Marcedes Lewis and Lance
Speaker 1: Kendricks both headed to free agency, Packers haven't drafted a
Speaker 1: tight end for a while, so maybe that's something that
Speaker 1: is on the docket for April. Jimmy Graham's under contract,
Speaker 1: having been the big free agent signing from a year ago.
Speaker 1: Robert Ton and Tanya and a young guy who got
Speaker 1: some playing time towards the end of the year, made
Speaker 1: a couple of splash plays there. But a position group
Speaker 1: that right now you just don't even know how it's
Speaker 1: going to take shape. And uh and again another young
Speaker 1: coach who will be looking to make his mark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and out and if you know anything about him,
Speaker 1: another guy again, not to keep bring up James Camping,
Speaker 1: but he was a former high school football coach gets
Speaker 1: an opportunity with Atlanta the last few years as an
Speaker 1: offensive assistant and being here you are coaching a position
Speaker 1: group in the NFL. You don't get that chance if
Speaker 1: he didn't impress Matt Lafleur, though through those channels there
Speaker 1: wasn't that respect. But to your point, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is one of the more unproven guys in terms
Speaker 1: of just having the resume. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I look at a position like tight end and I
Speaker 1: go back to Jerry Fontino. Jerry font who was a
Speaker 1: former NFL center, played for a number of years. They
Speaker 1: give him the tight ends and you're not really sure. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: what's the correlation there. I've always felt like he did
Speaker 1: a whale of a job during his time in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: So I think it's very similar for ought in here
Speaker 1: out and here. Um, you don't know what that room
Speaker 1: is gonna look like, the veterans, the young players. But uh, certainly,
Speaker 1: again with that history of Matt Laflour and being on
Speaker 1: that same wavelength, you can't underestimate that as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Well that's pretty much the rundown here, And
Speaker 1: because of where we're at with time, I think we
Speaker 1: will delay the discussion of defensive special teams coaches for
Speaker 1: another show. Later this week, and we'll get that in
Speaker 1: before before you head off on your little absolutely we
Speaker 1: got two days. I think it's on Netflix. I want
Speaker 1: you to watch hang Time. I want you to learn
Speaker 1: from Coach Mike's lesson. I've been roped. I've been roped
Speaker 1: into it. Now I gotta go what was it? I
Speaker 1: gotta watch Fletch Right, I've still not done it. You
Speaker 1: have to go watch a few Hang Time episodes with
Speaker 1: Dick Buckus and it thought. Please okay for me? All right,
Speaker 1: it'll be my conversation starter with his nephew. Alright, well
Speaker 1: we'll start, we'll we'll go with that. With that, we
Speaker 1: are going to sign off on this edition of Packers Unscripted.
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