WEBVTT - #393 Packers Unscripted: Offensive rundown 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:20.360 Hi everyone. Welcome to Packers Unscripted, or should I say 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:22.600 welcome back. We've been dark for a little while here 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:24.760 in the studio from Packers dot Com. I am Mike 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:29.200 Spofford alongside as always my partner in crime, West Hodkowits 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.360 coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field West. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:34.720 I've taken a little time off. You've got some time 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.199 off coming up. Matt Lafleur has been filling out his 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:41.839 coaching staff here for with the Packers, so we'll squeeze 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.400 in a couple of shows here to talk about what's 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.040 going on with these coaches as the vast majority are 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.680 now in place, and we'll focus this show today on 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.280 the offensive side of the ball. I'll give you the 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.600 quick rundown here. The new names on the coaching staff. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:03.280 Nathaniel Hackett offensive coordinator, wide receivers, Elvis Witted tight ends, 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.759 just an out and offensive line Adam Stanovich assistant offensive 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.120 lying Loot excuse me, Luke butt Kiss, and then a 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.600 couple of familiar names, quarterback coach Luke Getsy, coming back 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.080 to the Packers after a year away in the college ranks. 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.040 He coached wide receivers here before and then Ben Sermons 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:23.039 sticking around to coach running back. So as this group 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.720 takes shape west, what are your initial impressions kind of 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:32.080 of the collective? Impressive, young, impressive. I think you're seeing 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.319 a lot of guys in their thirties, but for the 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:38.040 most part, each one of them individually has really impressive resumes. 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:42.360 To speak of Nathaniel Hackett coming over from the Jacksonville Jaguar, 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.880 spent a number of years there, obviously, the son of 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.400 Paul Hackett, one of the big innovators of the NFL, 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:51.760 A mentor to Mike McCarthy, and I'm really excited to 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.480 see how this this group shapes up. Before we get 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.200 into all the new coaches, I just want to take 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.680 a minute, though, to to talk about Ben Sermons coming back. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.440 Luke getsy return earning to Green Bay with Sermons, what 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.320 he's done with that group over the last three years, 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.680 what he's had to work with, uh, the I don't 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.320 know if there's any position coach that's had to overcome 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.839 as much adversity as Sermons has had to. So when 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.560 it was announced that he would be returning as running 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.680 backs coach, I thought that was a big plus for 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.440 this offense and with Luke Getzy, and we're gonna get 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.080 a chance here in the coming weeks to talk to 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.959 him his reasons for coming back to Green Bay after 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.600 the year spent with Mississippi State as the offensive coordinator 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.760 slash receivers coach. I'll say this about Luke Getzi. I 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.600 don't know in my time on the beat if there 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.639 has been a young coach that's coming as a quality 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.680 control coach that has looked more the part of a 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:44.519 leader of a high level future head coach than Luke 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:48.760 Getz has. Uh. He's diversified his resume. I don't want 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:50.840 to put words in Aaron Rodgers mouth right now, but 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:52.960 I from what I recall from a few years ago, 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.440 spoke really highly of him as a coach. So to 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.480 get him back, regardless of its quarterbacks, whatever it is, 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.120 I just think it's the same move last year is 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.760 getting retaining Jerry Montgomery after there's a little flirtation with 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.160 the college rinks. I just think this is a guy 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:07.640 that's meant for the pros. I think he's meant to 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.440 coach at a high level. Yeah, and it's interesting too 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.120 with regards to Getsy, we saw him as wide receivers 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.480 coach here in Green Bay come up with a lot 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:19.200 of I guess you'd call him innovative drills with his players. 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.919 You know, they the wide receivers were catching bricks before 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:24.799 they hit the ground, you know, both for the hand 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.520 eye coordination, the reaction, and for the strength in the 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.239 hand and the fingers, all those things incorporated. They would 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.480 juggle tennis balls and even do the juggling where they 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:35.680 would throw the tennis balls off the wall and then 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.040 have to catch them coming back. I don't know what 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.520 he's got in store for Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I'm really 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:45.040 I'm really curious to see what what Luke comes up 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.680 with now that he's that he's Aaron Rodgers position coach. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.360 But yes, you're right, Rogers spoke very highly of him 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.280 when he was working with those wide receivers. And plenty 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.000 of veteran guys too, and you're talking Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:58.119 These are the guys that that Luke gets he worked 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:59.720 with on a regular basis. And just to throw out 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:01.440 there too, I know some people are asking award of 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.760 their credentials there. Well, one, he played quarterback, he's been there. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.720 But the other thing I think is really underrated that 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.480 not a lot of people have talked about that one season, 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.640 that experimental season where Mike McCarthy had Alex Van Pelt 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.400 coaching both the quarterbacks and the receivers. He had both 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.280 of those rooms gets he was sort of his number two, 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.719 uh in terms of assisting him there, and so he 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.919 has some history already working with Rogers. Certainly there's the 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:28.240 synergy between the receiver and quarterback positions. I'm sure he 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.480 did a whale of a job at Mississippi State. I'm 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.479 sure he did a tremendous job, you know, with the 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.440 success they had this past season. I just think, though, 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.160 when I see him, when I look at him, when 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.480 I see how he interacted with those players, despite being 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.000 a younger coach, he just screams NFL coach to me. 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:44.760 So it's good in that regard to see him back 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.680 in what I feel to be his wheelhouse. Yeah. Well, 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.160 starting at the top on the offensive side with Nathaniel Hackett. 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:55.560 He when you look at their coaches, no matter where 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.520 they come from in the NFL, there's usually somebody that 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.040 that has thought very highly of them along the way 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.520 and brought them along. And when you look at Nathaniel Hackett. 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.160 That guy would be Doug Moron. He has worked with 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:11.160 Maron at Syracuse, worked with him with the Buffalo Bills, 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.520 then again with the Jacksonville Jaguars. I know there was 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.680 It's interesting because I think this is a really interesting 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:20.600 higher pairing Nathaniel Hackett. You mentioned the son of Paul 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:24.880 Hackett and all that. With Matt Lafleur, another young offensive mind, 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:27.640 there seemed to be I don't know what you thought. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.000 I I sensed a lot of skepticism in the fan 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:35.120 reaction to this higher because there seemed to be uh 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.680 with with Hackett what he did with Blake Bortles and Jacksonville. 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:40.839 There was sort of the peak that he hit, and 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.719 then everybody started wondering, well then why did it go south? 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:45.720 Like why didn't it work out? How come he couldn't 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.600 sustain that with Blake Bortles. And to me, it's a 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.960 pretty simple answer. It was Blake Bortles. I mean, this 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.640 is it's not Aaron Rodgers, it's not Drew Brees, it's 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.920 not you know, I mean so, and I don't mean 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.719 to you know, I don't mean to degrade Blake Bortles, 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.080 but you know, he is who he is and where 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.520 he is in his career versus the guy that Nathaniel 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.640 Hackett is gonna be working with now. And to me, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.560 this combination, my point is this combination of Hackett and 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.359 La Fleur offensively, their backgrounds, what they bring and what 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.760 they're going to what they're gonna bring to this offense 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.240 with Aaron Rodgers and stuff. I'm really excited to see it. Yeah, 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:21.840 I am too, Mike. And then one thing I want 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.039 to point out with Hackett, when you know we've talked 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.120 over the past a few years, you think back to 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.040 maybe Jared Cook when he came to Green Bay and 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.080 in saying what it's going to be like to play 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.440 with Aaron Rodgers after not really having a quarterback like that. Um, 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.880 It's happened a number of times. Mercedes Lewis talked about 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.120 some of the challenges that he felt there were in 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:43.240 Jacksonville just with the structure you know of Again, I 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.360 don't want to pile on Blake Bortles, but Blake Bortles 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.600 isn't Aaron Rodgers. That's the point I'm trying to make exactly. 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.240 That's the point I was so for Nathaniel Hackett now 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.920 to get an opportunity to work with Rogers, to work 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:55.960 with this offense. I think you can look at his 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.760 resume and it's an accomplished resume, but from the pro level, 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.880 he hasn't had weapons like this to to work off of. 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.000 There were challenges in Jacksonville, there were challenges with the Bills, 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.360 and certainly when you go back to his time with 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.400 the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So for him to have Aaron 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.680 Rodgers from Matt Lafleur um them having Luke Getzie, a 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.360 guy that has experienced with Rodgers altogether in that room, 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.360 I think it's gonna be a big benefit for them 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.920 and seeing exactly what they can dial up with some 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.520 young innovative offensive minds, you know, to to work with 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.360 one of the game's best. Well, Hackett's best offense in 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.200 Jacksonville with Boardles obviously at quarterback, was when he had 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.720 Leonard four Nette had that big rookie season for the 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.040 Jaguars and really focused on the running games. So that 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.960 makes you wonder, you know, just where, um where the 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.200 emphasies so to speak, might be with this Packers offense 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.600 with Lafleur and Hackett. And we talked before about what 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.880 Lafleur did in Tennessee when he was dealing with injuries 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.560 at quarterback, and he really turned them into a power 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.080 running team. So all of those backgrounds, and like I said, 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.720 I'm not going to try to predict exactly how they're 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.880 going to structure this offense surround Aaron Rodgers based on 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:05.560 their backgrounds and what they've what they bring, but what 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.760 they do bring is a history of being able to 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.440 adjust and make the most of of what they've got there. 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.600 And I know things with Hackett went a little bit 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.720 south in Jacksonville when when Bordles wasn't able to sustain 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.440 his level of play and they fell off after reaching 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.200 the a f C Championship game and as some would say, 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.920 they came one inadvertent whistle away from going to a 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.640 super Bowl. But but it's an interesting mix. And then 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:36.160 you throw in Alvis Witted coming to coach the wide receivers. Now, 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.920 this is a coach who's been in the college ranks 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.800 for a number of years at Colorado State, but he 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.480 also played in the NFL for nine seasons, So an 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:49.640 experienced NFL wide receiver coached a couple of All Americans 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.720 at wide receiver at at Colorado State for the Rams 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:57.440 out there in the Rocky Mountains. So your impressions of 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.640 Alvis Witted when you look at at his I don't 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.320 want to make this into Okay, what's the best higher? 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.079 I don't like playing that game, but I have to 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.200 say this is probably the higher I'm most excited about 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.600 for the Packers. I was thinking about this, and this 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.520 is no disrespect anyone who came before Witted in that 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.560 receiver coach position. Certainly Edgar Bennett was very accomplished, but 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.560 I I'm trying to think back. I think you probably 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.280 have to go back to the Jimmy Robinson days for 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.920 a guy that that played the position and is as 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.640 credential that the position he's coaching as Witted is. Uh. 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:30.440 That's why I think for me, when I saw his 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.240 name come up, it was one of the more exciting ones. 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.760 Not just because of what he brings, not because of 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.400 the NFL experience, not because of the three All Americans 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.320 that he's had at Colorado State. It's the fact that 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.080 he has a lot of young receivers to work with. Now, Uh, 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.679 Davante Adams, you still want to keep him on the incline. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:47.520 You still want to be able to, you know, work 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.920 with your Jake Cumrose and your your gern Way Elson's. 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:53.040 But let's face it, Mike, they drafted three young receivers 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.319 last year. There stands to reason they could bring in 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.880 another one this offseason, depending on how things shake out. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.559 You want to have a guy that has experience maximizing 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.480 talent from guys in their early twenties. Winded has that. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.360 You look at it right now. Michael Gallup, third round 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.000 pick last year for Dallas. They're very excited about him. 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.920 Richard Higgins, fifth round pick for Cleveland, has started to 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.320 make his jump in Preston Williams. We're gonna see how 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.640 all this works out with the NFL draft process here. 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:20.680 But another guy that I think a lot of people 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.439 are excited about. They call it receiver. You. I mean, 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:24.839 they had a big I don't know if you saw 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.160 it or not. They had a big package. Thanking him 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.560 for his contributions at the school and now gets his 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.959 chance to try his hand coaching at the NFL level. Yeah, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.840 and if I'm not mistaken, Williams was a second team 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.520 All American and then the other two draft picks you 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:43.000 mentioned were first term to All American wide receivers. So 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.679 there's a lot of a lot to talk about there 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.440 before this gets away from me. Uh though, West, I 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.080 can't forget the Green Bay Packers get ready for game 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.800 day with the powerful noise canceling technology of Bo's Quiet. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.160 Come for thirty five headphones to learn more at www 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:02.000 dot bows dot com, Slash Packers Bows the official headphones 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.640 of the Green Bay Packers, and at Homer Here in 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.439 the stands. We all know that Green Bay fans give 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.240 it their all, and that takes a lot of energy. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.800 So grab a warm bowl of Campbell's Chunky Soup. It's 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.560 meaty goodness fuels the greatness of Packers fans everywhere. Try 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.880 the delicious classic chicken noodle soup. Just visit your local 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.040 supermarket and ask for Campbell's Chunky Soup, official sup partner 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.320 of the Green Bay Packers, and I may go stock 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:24.920 up on some soup. With these winter storms they got coming, 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.720 Holy cow, last just knocking it back to my little 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.720 break and all I'm doing is shovel in my driveway 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:33.760 every day. You're like a white walker. You came back 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.480 to Green Bay and then suddenly the cold winds start blowing. 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:41.320 I guess thank you well on the offensive line. Here 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.880 a couple of other um new names that will be 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.520 coming to Green Bay. Adam Stenovitch interesting here he will 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.720 be the offensive line coach. Luke Butkuss his assistant on 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:56.280 the offensive line, and Stanovic, a Wisconsin native from Marshfield, 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:01.160 originally a two time first team All Big Ten player 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.000 at left tackle at the University of Michigan. Surprisingly, with 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.959 those credentials, did not get drafted. Um actually spent time 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.679 in Green Bay as an undrafted young player in two 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.720 thousand and six, which was Mike McCarthy's first season here, 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:20.000 ended up going to NFL Europe, and Um eventually got 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.679 into coaching. Now this is a promotion of sorts for 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.720 him that he will be the offensive line coach. Has 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.840 been the assistant offensive line coach for the San Francisco 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:33.600 forty Niners under Kyle Shanahan. Um, they're fairly new head 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.640 coach out there. UM. This will be Uh, this will 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.160 be interesting because, as we talked about on one of 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.280 our previous shows, when James camp and departed, you talk 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:46.720 about a a respected, accomplished, long time NFL head coach. 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.680 Now you're talking about a new guy, a new young 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:51.600 guy coming in there's gonna be a lot of veterans 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.120 in that offensive line room, but this is this is 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.839 a hungry coach who was getting a promotion. He's getting 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.040 his chance to really show what he can do. And 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.280 he's got on a pro to work with. And David 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.199 bak tr Uh you know, Pro Bowl alternate type and 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:08.200 Corey Linsley, Brian Blaga, same type of level of player. 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.560 So a lot of experience in that offensive line room 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.480 and a young coach is going to be looking to 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.040 prove himself. Yeah. What I really like about this situation 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.720 here is, uh, you can talk about James Camping and 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.760 what a run he had, I mean, you know, tied 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.360 with Hog Hanner for the longest you know, tenure as 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:27.280 a concurrent assistant on the staff fifteen years. Really impressive. 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.040 But there was a time where James Campon was a 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.840 former high school football coach that was an assistant offensive 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.840 line coach in Green Bay underneath Joe Philbin and he 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:37.880 had to work his way up to That's what I 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.600 like about the move with Stenovich. He has experience in 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.160 Matt Lafleur's system, in the in the MIC and Kyle 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.920 Shanahan system. So from that regard, there on a you know, 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.360 an equal wavelength and in terms of what they're thinking 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.480 into it, it's giving a young guy an opportunity. And 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.920 I think when you look at Stanovich where he came from, 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.160 the fact that he's a lifelong offensive lineman, like camping, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.079 he had a cup of tea cup of cough be 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.480 in the NFL camp and stent that lasted a little 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.760 bit longer, but he's worked his way up and now 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.600 is you know, walking into this opportunity. So yes, young 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.079 guy again as you mentioned, But I just think when 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:16.160 you're talking about somebody at that position with the experiences 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.040 that he has, uh, you want to give him a 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:20.920 shot and you want to see what they have to offer. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.080 And I think in that regard, without having a chance 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:24.880 to talk to Senovic, he had about what his his 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.880 outlook is on this opportunity and a lot of accomplished 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.280 guys that he's going to be coaching there, you just 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.360 have to feel like this is the type of move 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.080 as they look to make that next step that that 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.880 it makes sense for Matt Lafleur in this offense. Yeah, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.640 it's it's interesting to me just looking at his resume. 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.000 As I mentioned, a two time first team all big 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:47.280 ten left tackle, but yet somehow doesn't get drafted with 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.000 those types of credentials. And that's an interesting, an interesting 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.760 thing to me from the standpoint of, you know, a 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:58.480 training camp starts with you know what, fourteen maybe fifteen 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.720 offensive lineman. There are always a handful of those guys, 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.720 young guys who were in that room, who are who 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.840 they have similar type of credentials, and they're sitting there going, 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.040 how come I didn't get drafted? You know, we we 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.320 talked about a guy like Lane Taylor who just gets 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.360 overlooked and eventually needs to make his way as as 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.920 an undrafted That's weird because he was a guard. No, 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.880 guards don't give respect. Tackles usually did. And but but 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.400 Stanovich is a guy who's going to be in front 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.160 of in front of those young hopefuls, knowing exactly what 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.520 they're thinking and exactly what they're going through. And I 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:32.680 think from that standpoint, from that that whole developmental standpoint, 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:34.520 I think he's going to have a way to connect 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.000 with with some of those guys, much like James Camping, 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.720 because because Camping came from, you know, the the humble beginnings. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.240 In terms of a professional career as well. And the 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.720 thing about Campy two is that he could take himself 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.040 with being sort of an everyman. He could take his 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.360 personality and he could tailor to Brian Blaga, you know, 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.280 a guy that had all these credentials and all these 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:55.560 accolades coming out of Iowa, first round draft pick, and 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.840 get on a level with him. But at the same time, 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.720 with the huge heart that he had, he could look 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:02.640 at a guy like Justin mccraig who has been chewed 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.760 up and spit out by the NFL and is trying 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.920 to clause way back in the league. He could relate 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:08.880 to that guy too and get the most out of him. 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.920 That that's what camp he did so well and and 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:12.840 God bless him, That's that's what's led to his new 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:16.240 opportunity and in Cleveland as an associate head coach. He 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.720 knows how to get the most out of players. So yeah, 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.080 that that's gonna be the thing that you know, Stenovich 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:22.560 is gonna have to do. But you look at what 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.640 he had to work with in San Francisco. You know, 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:27.880 you have Joe Staley out there who's done it all, 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.200 seen it all, played through all the games and conditions 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.960 and earned his respect. So yeah, certainly there's gonna be 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:35.880 approving ground. But at the same time, I think you 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.520 look in with that position, there's just a brotherhood there. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.480 So regardless of what your credentials say or what your 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.280 resume says, if you know how to coach, the guys 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.560 are gonna listen. And and for Matt Lafleur, he's been 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.200 impressed enough with Stanovitch to give him this opportunity. And 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.440 his assistant will be Luke but Kiss And of course 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.240 if you recognize that name, he is the nephew of 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.240 the Pro Football Hall of Famer and former Chicago Bears 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:04.840 great at linebacker Dick Buckis. And you're stopping there. The 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:09.679 Hang Time actor, that's a big one, Michael. That just 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.680 goes along with the resume. I mean we're talking about 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.240 coach Mike here. I mean that for me as a child, Michael, 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.320 that was one of my formidable moments watching that show. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.960 But yeah, that the Hall of Fame thing linebacker, that's 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.760 cool too. Did you ever watch Hang Time? It's a 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:27.080 great show. Dude that didn't go back and watch. I 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.040 learned a lot of lessons. But okay, you can continue. 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.920 You know what I was gonna say is certainly followed 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.480 in a lot of ways in his uncle's footsteps. Was 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.600 a player at the University of Illinois, although he was 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.959 on the offensive side. He was a center, an All 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.120 Big ten center for the line. I and then did 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:46.240 uh play for the Chicago Bears. Also coached with the 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:50.600 Chicago Bears. Um and he and most recently he was 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.520 the offensive line coach at the University of Illinois under 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.639 a couple of different head coaches, most recently Love E. Smith. Um. 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:01.680 Interesting to Uh. I just wonder what it's going to 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.679 feel like for him to put on a packer shirt 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.960 for the first time. That may be a question he 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.080 gets the first time he faces the media, like, oh, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.199 what was it like to put that shirt on? Some 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.560 people saying uncle Dick to seeing what his thoughts are 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.359 gonna be on And I'm sure he's gonna understand that 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:16.920 his nephew wants to go out and get a job 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.280 and make him. Here's what I love about it, though 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.159 we don't have the technology to like put up his picture, 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.000 but take away the name, take away the titles. If 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.359 you take Luke buck Kiss his photo and say what 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:32.040 position does he coach? I mean immediately you're gonna be like, 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:36.040 oh offensive, he just looks like an offensive line coach. Um. 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.440 And the thing I wrote about this an inbox last 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:39.840 week when you were gone. I don't know if you 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.720 caught it or not, but I just really like, kind 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.440 of in a smaller way from Winted is this is 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.000 a guy that for the most part, he's cut his 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.399 teeth at the college ranks and had a number of 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.760 different stints with Illinois and including the last few years 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.600 with Lovey Smith. But I just I really like him 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.760 taking his game to the next level. He was you know, 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.240 you're an offensive line coach and you need need to 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.640 be able to maximize that. But it's just the game 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.800 changes when you get to the NFL. So you know, 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.280 there was a great rapport between James Camp and in 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.800 Jeff blasco there. Now seeing how buck Kiss and Stenovitch 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.240 come together, two younger guys both under forty, I'm excited 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.760 to see that. Yeah, and one guy we haven't talked 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:22.040 a whole lot about yet at tight ends justin out 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.240 and now I'll admit I don't know a whole lot 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.440 about him, but this is a promotion for him as well. 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.800 He's kind of getting a position group. He's been an 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.639 offensive assistant in the NFL in the past, he's now 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:36.080 getting a position group of his own for the first time. 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.520 And um, quite frankly, Wes, this is maybe the position 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:44.000