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Speaker 1: Hi everyone. Welcome to Packers Unscripted, or should I say

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Speaker 1: welcome back. We've been dark for a little while here

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Speaker 1: in the studio from Packers dot Com. I am Mike

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Speaker 1: Spofford alongside as always my partner in crime, West Hodkowits

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Speaker 1: coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field West.

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Speaker 1: I've taken a little time off. You've got some time

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Speaker 1: off coming up. Matt Lafleur has been filling out his

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Speaker 1: coaching staff here for with the Packers, so we'll squeeze

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Speaker 1: in a couple of shows here to talk about what's

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Speaker 1: going on with these coaches as the vast majority are

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Speaker 1: now in place, and we'll focus this show today on

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Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. I'll give you the

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Speaker 1: quick rundown here. The new names on the coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett offensive coordinator, wide receivers, Elvis Witted tight ends,

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Speaker 1: just an out and offensive line Adam Stanovich assistant offensive

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Speaker 1: lying Loot excuse me, Luke butt Kiss, and then a

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Speaker 1: couple of familiar names, quarterback coach Luke Getsy, coming back

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Speaker 1: to the Packers after a year away in the college ranks.

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Speaker 1: He coached wide receivers here before and then Ben Sermons

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Speaker 1: sticking around to coach running back. So as this group

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Speaker 1: takes shape west, what are your initial impressions kind of

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Speaker 1: of the collective? Impressive, young, impressive. I think you're seeing

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys in their thirties, but for the

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Speaker 1: most part, each one of them individually has really impressive resumes.

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Speaker 1: To speak of Nathaniel Hackett coming over from the Jacksonville Jaguar,

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Speaker 1: spent a number of years there, obviously, the son of

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Speaker 1: Paul Hackett, one of the big innovators of the NFL,

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Speaker 1: A mentor to Mike McCarthy, and I'm really excited to

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Speaker 1: see how this this group shapes up. Before we get

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Speaker 1: Luke getsy return earning to Green Bay with Sermons, what

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Speaker 1: he's done with that group over the last three years,

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Speaker 1: what he's had to work with, uh, the I don't

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Speaker 1: know if there's any position coach that's had to overcome

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Speaker 1: as much adversity as Sermons has had to. So when

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Speaker 1: this offense and with Luke Getzy, and we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: him his reasons for coming back to Green Bay after

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Speaker 1: don't know in my time on the beat if there

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Speaker 1: has been a young coach that's coming as a quality

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Speaker 1: Getz has. Uh. He's diversified his resume. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to put words in Aaron Rodgers mouth right now, but

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Speaker 1: I from what I recall from a few years ago,

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Speaker 1: get him back, regardless of its quarterbacks, whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: I just think it's the same move last year is

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Speaker 1: with regards to Getsy, we saw him as wide receivers

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Speaker 1: of I guess you'd call him innovative drills with his players.

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Speaker 1: You know, they the wide receivers were catching bricks before

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Speaker 1: hand and the fingers, all those things incorporated. They would

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Speaker 1: juggle tennis balls and even do the juggling where they

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Speaker 1: he's got in store for Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I'm really

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see what what Luke comes up

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Speaker 1: But yes, you're right, Rogers spoke very highly of him

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Speaker 1: These are the guys that that Luke gets he worked

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Speaker 1: So it's good in that regard to see him back

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Speaker 1: He when you look at their coaches, no matter where

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Speaker 1: That's the point I was so for Nathaniel Hackett now

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Speaker 1: Davante Adams, you still want to keep him on the incline.

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Speaker 1: But let's face it, Mike, they drafted three young receivers

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Speaker 1: But another guy that I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: another show. Later this week, and we'll get that in

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Speaker 1: you to watch hang Time. I want you to learn

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Speaker 1: from Coach Mike's lesson. I've been roped. I've been roped

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Speaker 1: into it. Now I gotta go what was it? I

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Speaker 1: gotta watch Fletch Right, I've still not done it. You

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Speaker 1: it'll be my conversation starter with his nephew. Alright, well

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Speaker 1: we'll start, we'll we'll go with that. With that, we

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Speaker 1: are going to sign off on this edition of Packers Unscripted.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you back here again in a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: He's for Wes and Mike on Twitter. He's at west Hot,

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Speaker 1: I'm at Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in, everybody. We will see you next time,

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