1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: We've been talking about what I think is just a 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: scary situation, but also a sign of what can happen 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: when you begin to reverse progress. When you go from 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: as Congressman Tom McClintock points out, driving down in a 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: massive way the amount of wildfire acres that are being 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: consumed in California, and then you start to reverse all 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: the policies that had helped to make that such a 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: huge success. And we're joined now by the author of 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: that Wall Street Journal editorial, Congressman Tom McClintock from the 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: fifth Congressional District in California. Congressman Clintock, appreciate you coming 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: on with us. Great peace this morning. How frustrating is 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: it to you look at the data and do your 15 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: deep dive on what's been going on with California wildfires? 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: As you lay out, this is a historical reality, four 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: and a half million, on average acres a year have 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: burned since the fifteen hundreds in California. Due to smart policies, 19 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: that number gets driven back down to two hundred and 20 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: fifty thousand and then as you lay out, new decisions 21 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: are made that reverse many of those successful policies. And 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: here we are California can't put out a fire, and 23 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: there are a lot more of them than there used 24 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: to be. 25 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 3: Well, exactly right. Fire is how nature gardens, and nature's 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: allows e gardener. If you doubt that for a second, 27 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: just leave your own alone for a few years and 28 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: tell me what it's going to look like. Nature removes 29 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: excess growth by catastrophic fire. Beginning in the twentieth century, 30 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: we adopted policies to do the gardening ourselves. We auctioned 31 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: off excess timbered logging companies who actually paid us to 32 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 3: remove the excess. We leased public lands to cattle and 33 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: sheep ranchers to suppress brush growth through grazing. In the 34 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: Santa Monica Mountains above Malibu, I remember as a kid 35 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: back sheep herders used to graze tens of thousands of 36 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 3: heads of sheep every year to keep the brush under control. 37 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: We used herbicides to keep brush from residential areas. We 38 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: put out fires before they could explode out of control. 39 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: And as you pointed out, fire losses went from the 40 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: historic average of about four and a half million acres 41 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 3: in California to a fairly steady quarter of a million acres. 42 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: But then we adopted these leftist environmental laws in the 43 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: nineteen seventies that have made permitting for these practices endlessly 44 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 3: time consuming, ultimately cost prohibitive, and so not a lot 45 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 3: of it gets done. We still had fires in those days, 46 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 3: but they were a fraction of the intensity that we 47 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 3: see the day. And now what we're seeing is not 48 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: a new normal, we're simply seeing the old normal return. 49 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty, we were back up to about four 50 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: and a half million acres destroyed by fire. And that 51 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 3: is a choice that we made when we adopted laws 52 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: that have made it impossible to manage our lands. 53 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: How frustrating is that to not only you but other 54 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: Californians who have lived through the process. Boy, we're making 55 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: really good decisions when it comes to limiting these wildfires. 56 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: And then this is often, as you know, much of 57 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: this is circular. 58 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: You start to have that success and people say. 59 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: Well, maybe we don't need to do this anymore, and 60 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: the environmentalists and the climate change people make these changes, 61 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: and now they're arguing, and I'm sure you're already seeing 62 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: this well, this is a natural consequence of climate change, 63 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: as opposed to a natural consequence of many of the 64 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: choices that they made in an effort to try to 65 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 1: combat climate change. 66 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 3: Well, here's the problem with their argument is he referenced 67 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 3: Cabrio dropped anchor in San Pedro Bay. It was the 68 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: autumn of fifteen forty two. That's the height of the 69 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: Santa Ana fire season. He promptly named it the Bay 70 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: of Smoke. So fires fanned by these seasonal sant Ana 71 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 3: winds are nothing new. And by the way, when Juan 72 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: Cabrio observed those fires off the coast of California in 73 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: fifteen forty two, it was the height of the Little 74 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: Ice Age, when temperatures were at their lowest in ten 75 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: thousand years. And it also doesn't explain this. You can 76 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: literally go up in a helicopter and you can often 77 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: tell the difference between the public lands they're subject to 78 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: these environmental laws and the private lands that are not, 79 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 3: just by the condition of the forests on each side 80 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 3: of the line. So we have to ask ourselves how 81 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 3: clever are the climate to know the exact boundary lines 82 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: between the public and private lands and only decimate the 83 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,119 Speaker 3: public ones. 84 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 2: So what is the solution here in your mind? And 85 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: how frustrating is. 86 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: It that, Well, let me go back to the solution, 87 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: because I think you'll get to that. But how frustrating 88 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: is it that basically the government of Los Angeles and 89 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: certainly the state government of California we're talking about the 90 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: fifth largest economy in the world, and that they not 91 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: only have lost the ability to help prevent these fires 92 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: based on public policy decisions, but also lost the ability 93 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: to even put the fires out. I would argue, Congressman 94 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: that maybe the number one goal and responsibility of any 95 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: government on its most basic level is when people's homes 96 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: are burning, we should be able to put them out. 97 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: California can't even do that. Los Angeles area right now? 98 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: Yes, well, who hasn't, just said doctor Johnson said, when 99 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: a man is to be hanged in the morning, it 100 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: focuses attention remarkably. Well, you know, maybe this is something 101 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 3: that will focus the attention of the people of California 102 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 3: on the people they've been electing now for forty or 103 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: fifty years. And by the way, it's not just California. 104 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: Some of the worst of these environmental laws are federal 105 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: that we're imposed in the nineteen seventies. But it comes 106 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: down to a simple question that elections matter because they 107 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 3: determined public policy, and public policy matters because that determines 108 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: our fundamental safety and quality of life as human beings. 109 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: So what's the solution in your mind? Let's pretend that 110 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: Californians actually made a good decision. And I loved your 111 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: piece in the Wall Street Journal, and I think the 112 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal for publishing it, you for writing it. 113 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: What would you do looking forward? Okay, we have to 114 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: try to limit the amount of wildfires. You're never going 115 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: to completely eliminate them, because, as you mentioned, this is 116 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: a natural condition of southern California from time immemorial, or 117 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: at least since we've had recorded history of the La area. 118 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: From a European perspective, what should happen from if you 119 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: were given a magic wand and they said you're in 120 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: charge of fixing this and trying to limit this going forward, 121 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: what's the right solution? 122 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 3: This is not theoretical discussion, because we already know what works. 123 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: We've practiced it for for much of the twentieth century. 124 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: Every year we would send out foresters to the to 125 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: the National Force. It would mark off excess timber, and 126 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: then we would auction that timber off to logging companies 127 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: to remove they would pay us to remove it. Of 128 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: the same thing with leasing public lands of you know, 129 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 3: the BLM right now leases of most of its public 130 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: lands across the country for about a buck fifty ahead 131 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: for cattle in California's twenty five dollars. So obviously nobody 132 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: leases land for grazing. So you have this huge build 133 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: up of brush. You know, all of that excess brush 134 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 3: and all of that excess timber is going to come 135 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: out one way or the other. It's going We're either 136 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: going to carry it out or nature is going to 137 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: burn it out. So you know, go back to the 138 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: policies that work. Scientific management of the forests worked remove 139 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: the excess before it can choke off the forest or 140 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: before it can build up as brush when nature comes 141 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: to burn it out. That's the fundamental issue in all 142 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: of this is scientific management of the lands. We can 143 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: signed our lands to a condition of benign neglect because 144 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 3: the environmental left promise that would improve the forest and 145 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: brush land environment. Well, I think we're entitled to ask, now, 146 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: after fifty years of experience with these laws, how are 147 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: they working, And the answer is damning is going up 148 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: in smoke all around us. We've lost about a quarter 149 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: of our national forests to catastrophic fire in the last 150 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: ten years. That's the effect of these new environmental policies. 151 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 3: And what we've found out is that benign neglect is 152 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: not so benign. 153 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: How frustrating is it as a Californian. I don't know 154 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: if you heard any of the first hour of the program, 155 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: but I've spent a lot of time in California. I mean, 156 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: there's a strong argument that California as America's Garden of Eden. 157 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: You just laid out, we're not trying to do anything 158 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: that hasn't worked before. It's not like you're coming out 159 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: and saying, hey, we need to take some radical moves 160 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: to try and adjust this. California made a lot of 161 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: great decisions. It's why the state grew and flourished into 162 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: the fifth largest economy in the world. It now feels 163 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: to me, and I'm curious if you feel this on 164 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: the ground, like all of that incredible wealth and all 165 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: of those good decisions are now being left behind in 166 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: favor of radical, anti growth and frankly destructive policies. For 167 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: many of the people living there. For someone like you, 168 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: how incredibly frustrating is that, Well, it's. 169 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: Not just frustrating, it's heartbreaking. You look at California. We 170 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 3: have the most equitable climate in the entire Western hemisphere. 171 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 3: We have the most bountiful natural resources anywhere in the 172 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: continent of the United States. We're poised on the Pacific 173 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: rim in a position to dominate a world trade for 174 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: the next century. And yet if you look the census data, 175 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: you will find that there is a unprecedented exodus of 176 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: Californians leaving the state, and one of the two of 177 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: the most popular destinations are Nevada and Arizona. Now think, 178 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: I cannot imagine an act of God that could do 179 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 3: so much damage to this beautiful state as to cause 180 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: people to find a better place to live and work 181 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: and raise their families out in the middle of the 182 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 3: Nevada Nuclear test range. No active God can do that 183 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 3: that I can think of. But active government can do 184 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 3: that much damage, and they have. And so now people 185 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 3: are voting with their feet and leaving this beautiful state. 186 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: And the only thing that's changed in the state is 187 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 3: public policy. And the good news is we can't control 188 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 3: acts of God, but active government we can change the 189 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: moment we summon the political will to do so. So 190 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: far we haven't summoned that will. But maybe this is 191 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 3: a catalyst to get people to start rethinking their whole 192 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 3: world view about the people they've been electing in California 193 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: for the past fifty years. And hopefully it's a wake 194 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: up call to the federal government as well to begin 195 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 3: changing some of these federal policies that have contributed to 196 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: this disaster. 197 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: We're talking to Congressman Tom McClintock. Last question for you, Congressman. 198 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: I get a lot of questions, and we had a 199 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: caller just at the end of the last hour about 200 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: California's failure to capture much of the rain that actually 201 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: falls in California, particularly southern California. I've spent a lot 202 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: of time there, anybody who has. When the rain comes, 203 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: and it doesn't come in a consistent fashion, it often 204 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: arrives all of a sudden. You can stand and watch 205 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: all of this bounteous fresh water just roaring right out 206 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: into the Pacific Ocean, never claimed. How does that get 207 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: fixed and how's that been allowed to continue to occur? 208 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: Well, I assert on the Water and Power Subcommittee's chairman 209 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: for several years, and what I learned in those years 210 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 3: is droughts are nature's fault. They happen, but water shortages 211 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 3: are our fault. Water shortages are a choice we made 212 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 3: when we had up to the same environmental laws that 213 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 3: have made the management of our public lands all but impossible. 214 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: They've also made the construction of new dams and reservoirs 215 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 3: all but impossible. California, of just precipitation alone produces about 216 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 3: forty five hundred gallons of fresh water every day for 217 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: every man or woman and child in the state. The 218 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: problem is it's unevenly distributed over time and distance. We 219 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: used to build dams to store water from wet years 220 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: to move it to dry years. We used to build 221 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 3: aqueducts to move water from wet regions to dry regions. 222 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 3: That same environmental left movement destroyed our ability to do that. 223 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: So we haven't constructed a major dam over a million 224 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: acre feet in California since nineteen seventy nine. Well, the 225 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: population's more than double. So it all comes back to 226 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: a choice that we have made through the policies that 227 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: we've enacted by the people. 228 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: We have elected Congressman. Fantastic editorial. 229 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on and talking with all of 230 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: our audience that has been so frustrated by so much 231 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: of what you've laid out. We need to get you 232 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: on again, but appreciate you fighting the right battle and 233 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: hopefully public policy, as you said, can be corrected in California, 234 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: because it wasn't very long ago when the state was 235 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: making a lot of great decisions. 236 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly right, as someday it will again. 237 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: I pray Congressman Tom McLintock from the fifth Congressional District 238 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: in California. We appreciate the time I shared that editorial. 239 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: Encourage all of you to go read it fantastic this 240 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: morning in the Wall Street Journal. 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Ted in Oakdale, California. 267 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: You say, the last damn built in California was all 268 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: the way back in nineteen sixty nine. 269 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: Uh, and you worked on some of those Tell me 270 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: about it. 271 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 5: I worked on an irrigation dam system above that lake. 272 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 5: But in nineteen sixty nine, the new Maloney's Dam was 273 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 5: built and had held about two point two million acre 274 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 5: feet of water. But that was the last dam ever 275 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 5: built in California, and at that time, the above ground 276 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 5: reservoir storage was four hundred and two million acre feet 277 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 5: of water for California. In the last forty five years, 278 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 5: the population of California has almost tripled, but not one 279 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 5: drop of storage has increased. It is still four hundred 280 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 5: and two million acre feet of water. 281 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: That's crazy, that is crazy. I mean, so since nineteen 282 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: sixty nine. 283 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: I guess that's what fifty five years, basically right to 284 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: your point, the population of California has basically tripled and 285 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: the ability of California to store water has not changed 286 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: at all. And I'm assuming that's an environmentalist opposition to 287 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: the idea of damning and what it might do to 288 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: the natural world community. 289 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 5: I assume that past resolution voting resolution a few years back, 290 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 5: and it created a government body, a water could Quality 291 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 5: Control Board, which is appointed by the government. So you 292 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 5: can imagine who he appoints for that thing. And I 293 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 5: have gone to seminars or know about seminars that they 294 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 5: have been at and actually said there will never be 295 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 5: another dam built in California as long as they are 296 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 5: in control. 297 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. Again, I think Congressman made 298 00:16:55,280 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: a good point. These decisions have real consequences, and it's easy, 299 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: and when I come back, I'll play it for you, 300 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: because I do think it's important that you understand their 301 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: talking points, which are we're not going to examine any 302 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: of the decisions we made that have created this awful 303 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: situation in Los Angeles. They're just going to blame climate change. 304 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: They're just going to say throw up their hands and say, well, 305 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: this is a result of temperature changing. No, it's not 306 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: at all. In fact, it's a direct result of the 307 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: policy choices they have made. And I'm not even talking 308 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 1: about it's a great call. I'm not even talking about 309 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: just the recent DEI policy choices. I'm talking about not 310 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: storing the water that lands in California. I'm talking about 311 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: reversing generations of policy that had driven down the number 312 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 1: of acres of burning to two hundred and fifty thousand 313 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: before we returned all the way back to the policy 314 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: where we now have basically the same amount that. 315 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: We had before. 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Go to SUPPORTIFCJ dot org 329 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: and join me in donating to them. Support IFCJ dot org. 330 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Some breaking 331 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: news by the way, that I think is probably not 332 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: going to matter that much, but will get probably a 333 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: decent amount of attention for the next twenty four hours 334 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: or so. There's going to be a release of the 335 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: jack Smith Report, and that Jack Smith Report is probably 336 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: going to say, oh, Donald Trump is the most evil 337 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: dictator who's ever lived in the history of mankind. Also, 338 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: it's almost all going to have been publicly written before 339 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: by the Wall Street Journal, sorry, by the New York 340 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: Times and the Washington Post. So I don't think there's 341 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: going to be anything of any compelling nature there. But 342 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: this is a report that Jack Smith wrote. We should 343 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: mention that Jack Smith has also announced his resignation and 344 00:19:54,520 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: that that is underway, meaning that that probably he will 345 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: be released. I don't know exactly what the timeframe is 346 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: going to be, but in short order, relatively speaking, that 347 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: is going to be released. By the way, Buck still 348 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: on his way. I'm told South Florida is basically locked 349 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: down in terms of traffic. He was texting me a 350 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: little bit earlier that there are he lives in South Florida, 351 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: and he's now he's back. 352 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 2: He has made it in. 353 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: He is pulling into the studio there, so we will 354 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: be talking with him shortly. Let me play the audio 355 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: that I tease that I was going to play I 356 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: think a little bit ago. We're talking about the awful decision. 357 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: I'll let Buck react as he buckles into his seat 358 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: and gets everything up and running there. We're talking about 359 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: the awfulness of the mayor and the governor in California. 360 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: It's also worth noting that they lie, and they're actually 361 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: getting called on some of the lies. 362 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: We discussed the fact that. 363 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: Karen Bass was in Ghana in Africa, and what in 364 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: the world sense does that make for her to have 365 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: been there when all of these fires were breaking out. 366 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: But she pledged that she would not travel internationally if 367 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: she were elected, and this is her being called out 368 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: for that. This is cut ten. Even on Morning Joe, 369 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: they are talking about Karen Bass saying she wouldn't travel internationally. 370 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: In addition to Ghana, Buck she went to the Olympics 371 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: four different times from LA four times. 372 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 2: But listen to this. 373 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 6: The New York Times this morning, reporting in their lead 374 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 6: story mounting criticism of Bass threatens grip on leadership, talking 375 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 6: about the mayor, and it writes the mayor told the 376 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 6: Times that if she was elected mayor, not only would 377 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 6: I of course live here, but I would also not 378 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 6: travel internationally. The only places I would go DC, Sacramento, 379 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 6: San Francisco, and New York. 380 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: In relation to LA and The. 381 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 6: Times rights, that pledge has been spectacularly broken. 382 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: The National Weather Service had warned that these winds did 383 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: present a real fire danger that she knew that was overseas. 384 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: Anyway, so buck she claims she wouldn't travel to me 385 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: like as bad as Ghana is going to the Olympics 386 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: four times in Paris. 387 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: You couldn't have gone for just a few days. 388 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: I don't even know how that's possible that she would 389 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: need to make four different trips to Paris. I mean, 390 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: I can understand why somebody would want to go if 391 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: they were going on the dime of the government, but 392 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: this is just emblematic of failed leadership. 393 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you holding down the fork by the way, Clay, 394 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 2: that was the most heinous traffic situation. It took me 395 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: four hours to go about sixty miles, so I've never 396 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 2: they shut down ninety five going north entirely. It's a 397 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 2: six lane highway. There was a fatal, a double accident, 398 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 2: a fatal accident, everything shut down, and I just got 399 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 2: stuck right in the middle of it. So anyway, a 400 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: completed utter mess this morning. Thank you for holding everything down. 401 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: As for Karen Bass, here's the thing. If you're doing 402 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: a great job, you get leeway right when when you 403 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: are somebody who's talent in leadership far out weighs your 404 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 2: baggage or perhaps some of your you know, your your 405 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: personal prerogatives that you are taking with travel. Then that's 406 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: one thing. But Los Angeles has got a lot of 407 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 2: problems that have predated Karen Bass and gotten worse under 408 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 2: her tenure. So I think it's very understandable for people 409 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: to say, hold on a second, why are we paying 410 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: for you to travel internationally as a mayor? And there 411 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: really is not a good, a good reason for this, right. 412 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 2: I know that they come up with some reason, some 413 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 2: rationale for it. The thing's kind of funny you think 414 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: about Mayor Eric Adams being federally prosecuted for upgrades to 415 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: his flights. Meanwhile, it's a standard operating procedure for a 416 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 2: mayor of another large city to go on what are 417 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: effectively boondoggles. And she got look also, to go all 418 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 2: the way to Ghana. That's a very far flight. Right, 419 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: It's one thing to go to Mexico or Canada. I 420 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 2: think we can understand that, you know, near neighbors, you know, 421 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: border a border with California obviously in Mexico. To go 422 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: to West Africa, though, is too much, and given what's 423 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: gone on here, I think people have every right to 424 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 2: be incredibly frustrated with what they're seeing. And I think 425 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: at some level, Clay, this is part of the of 426 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: the reckoning that those who have the ability to see 427 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 2: results and view them as such are deeply frustrated with 428 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 2: the Democrat governance, the far left Democrat governance model that 429 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: has played out in a number of places. I know 430 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 2: you were talking. I got to listen to the whole 431 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 2: show on my way in excellent Joba, by the way. 432 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: I was like, this is a great radio show this 433 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: guy is doing here. 434 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: But that's super frustrating when you're supposed I've had that 435 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: happen a few times when you're supposed to be on 436 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: your own show and you have to listen to it 437 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: while you're driving because you or there's some sort of 438 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: cluster that is not allowing you to be there. And yes, 439 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: but so I'm glad that. I'm glad reception in your car. 440 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: Was good on the trap call in on the cell 441 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: phone routine, by the way, something that every every true 442 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 2: radio host at some point has had to do that one, 443 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 2: you know, where your cell phone is the best thing 444 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 2: you can get connectivity with so anyway, I think that 445 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 2: the back to the the recognition that that people are 446 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 2: having right now about California. It plays into the larger 447 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 2: theme of people don't want incompetent governance when it affects them, 448 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: you know. And I think in a lot of cases 449 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: you've seen it took longer than anticipated. In San Francisco, 450 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: they were willing to put up with even more deterioration 451 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 2: than I would have guessed. Right, it really had to 452 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: get to the point where, you know, Twitter headquarters has 453 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: to move, people can't be in downtown without being harassed, 454 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: and you know cars are broken, star football. 455 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: Players getting shot in Union Square, I mean in broad 456 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: daylight in order. 457 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 2: To get a new mayor. And we'll see how the 458 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 2: new mayor does, right, And so you've seen this trend happening. 459 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: And look, you have to also remember this hasn't been 460 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 2: happening in places that have a more conservative model of governance. 461 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 2: Show me the equivalent of a place that has been 462 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 2: more even just more down the center, never mind more 463 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 2: right wing or more republican, where there's been a rapid 464 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 2: deterioration that you can point to those policies as the 465 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 2: basis for it. You know, we've been talking about the 466 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 2: trends in crime for a long time and how things 467 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 2: got so safe that people decided, you know what, let's 468 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: just sort of see if we rip what happens. You know, 469 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 2: what's going to be the reality of crime if we 470 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: are not enforcing it with the same enforcing the law 471 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 2: the way that we had been. This is also the 472 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: case with red tape and bureaucracy. And you've noticed Gavin 473 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: Newsom has come forward now and said, oh, I'm gonna 474 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 2: get rid of I'm gonna get rid of so much 475 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: of this red tape. You want to ask why is 476 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 2: it there in the first place? Right, who put it 477 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 2: there in the first place. The answer is Gavin Newsom 478 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 2: and the Coastal Commission and these other entities. But also 479 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 2: why can't they understand that they make everything worse with 480 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 2: no attendant benefit. That's the thing about all the climate 481 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: change legislation and you know regulations they have in California. 482 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 2: It's not even like there's a trade off. It's just 483 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: bad meaning it just makes things slower, more expensive, and 484 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 2: more frustrating for people who live there. For the make 485 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: believe benefit of lowering global temperature, which California has absolutely 486 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: no prayer of affecting whatsoever, no matter you know, how 487 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 2: big their economy is. So I think that people are 488 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 2: seeing this now with fresh eyes, and there's been a 489 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,719 Speaker 2: red pilling effect that we shouldn't underestimate. 490 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: I talked years ago with a CEO of a successful 491 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: media company, and he said things were going so well 492 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: at this point in time that he said, even when 493 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: I made good even when I made poor choices, the 494 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: results still turned out well. And I think for a 495 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: long time that's what's happened with California. They have lived 496 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: for a couple of generations in this idea that there 497 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: are consequence free policy choices that they make. A guy 498 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: who just called in and said they haven't built a 499 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: new dam since nineteen sixty nine. I mean, that's crazy, right, 500 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: the congressman saying like, hey, we got the fires down 501 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: to two hundred and fifty thousand acres, the consequences didn't 502 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: show up for so long, Buck, that's your point. 503 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: They thought, hey, we can do whatever we want. 504 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: We can spend time on all these ribble as things 505 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: that don't really matter, and the actual core infrastructure, which 506 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: should be the focus of government, doesn't matter. 507 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: Well, this is this is a I would argue a 508 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: hallmark historically of left wing ideology, including I know this 509 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: is taking a bit far, but communist ideology it takes 510 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: a while for them, or socialist ideology takes a while 511 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 2: for them to ruin things. And in the meantime, and 512 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: I saw this very clearly in New York City. Build 513 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 2: a Blasio kept saying crime is so low, crime is 514 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: at this all time low. You don't believe what you're 515 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 2: hearing about, how it's getting more dangerous in the streets. 516 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: And then COVID and then all of a sudden everyone realized, 517 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, the city trajectory has gone toward degeneracy, chaos, 518 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: more crime, more more disorder, and just more dysfunction. You know, 519 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: it's like bankruptcy. It hadn't happened slowly then suddenly, you 520 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: know the old YUK Same thing with the Democrat takeover 521 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: of the state of California overall. Remember Reagan was the 522 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 2: governor of California. It's worth this. I know you did 523 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 2: a bunch of the history history going back to the Spanish. 524 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: The Spanish super fascinating, right. 525 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: I mean, people like to claim, oh it's climate change, 526 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: causing these fires. Actually, they've existed there throughout before your peak, right, 527 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean. 528 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: It's stuck in my car. I'm like, this is a 529 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: great history deep dive we got got here. I'm enjoying. 530 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: It kept me sane when I was punching my steering wheel. 531 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: But the truth is that California became America, America's paradise. 532 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: While it was a at least center right, if not 533 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 2: Republican state, it wasn't until the nineties. And by the way, 534 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: mass illegal immigration was a huge part of this that 535 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 2: it became a one party state, a Democrat one party state. 536 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 2: And at that point it had two of the greatest 537 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: wealth generation industries in the history of the plant well 538 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: one probably the greatest other than maybe the oil industry, 539 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 2: which is Silicon Valley. And between Silicon Valley and Hollywood 540 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: you have these giant ATM machines that now the left 541 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: has taken over and they can find a lot. Peter 542 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: Thiel had a really good way of putting this, I 543 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: think it was on the on the Rogan Joe Rogan's podcast. 544 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: He said, it's a little bit like Saudi Arabia that 545 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 2: they have a radical religion, but because they have so 546 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 2: much money coming out of the ground, they can make 547 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: a lot of stupid policies and stupid decisions and get 548 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: away with things. Right. It's not a very nice way 549 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: of talking with Saudi Arabia, but you know, that's the 550 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: that's the basic idea. California is somewhat similar. California was 551 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: so rich, so prosperous, so blessed as a state that 552 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 2: it took democrats a long time to create the degree 553 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 2: of dysfunction where you now have the outflow. But now 554 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: you're there, right, it's it's they went bank not that 555 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: it's bankrupt, but you know, they went bankrupt slowly, then 556 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: suddenly now all of a sudden, everyone recognizes what's going on. 557 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: I shouldn't say everybody. There's still people who you know, 558 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: they're never going to go. They this is their place, 559 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 2: and I understand that. But I'm telling you I have friends, 560 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 2: you know. 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Shalli, that 607 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 2: would be that would be to help me instead of 608 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 2: like the worst start of the week on the highway imaginable. 609 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 2: It would be nice to actually have some Crockett sales 610 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: through the roof today everybody, so stepan Plus it's delicious 611 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 2: and I was drinking it all morning, so Crockettcoffee dot com. 612 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: At what point did you realize how long should the 613 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: drive take? 614 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 2: Oh? I left two hours for a drive that should 615 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 2: take an hour, and it took me four. So at 616 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 2: what point did you realize that you were screwed? 617 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 3: Like? 618 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 2: Did you when you left? Were you aware it was bad? 619 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: Or or were you like on the way. 620 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: And then that's an awful feeling when your app updates 621 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: or whatever, and it goes from like you'll be there 622 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: in like twenty four minutes, you'll be there in two 623 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: hours and forty minutes you're like, no, is exactly what happened. 624 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 2: I was looking at my phone, I'm on the highway, 625 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 2: I see a slow down, and all of a sudden 626 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,240 Speaker 2: it says I was supposed to be in the radio 627 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 2: studio by eleven am Eastern and uh and it says 628 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: you're gonna arrive in like two and a half hours. 629 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: I couldn't I couldn't believe. And then I you know, 630 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 2: and then I'm getting like our friends here on WJ 631 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: and O at the traffic and weather folks are reaching 632 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 2: out to me like, oh man, do you know about this? 633 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh do I know? I am living it 634 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 2: right now. So yeah. And then you whenever you see 635 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: the choppers by the way up at like went out 636 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 2: a good something aren't moving, you know that's that's bad, 637 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 2: bad situation. So yeah, anyway, you. 638 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: Know, on some level, I don't know, I've thought about 639 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: this a lot because I use and many of you 640 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: who drive around in cities you use ways or you 641 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: use your Google app or whatever else, because you know 642 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 1: you don't know when traffic's going to emerge. It used 643 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: to be that you just when you get a traffic jam, 644 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: you had no idea how long it might last. Right. Yeah, 645 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:10,439 Speaker 1: Now you get the information, but it's like infuriating because 646 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: you get it in real time, right, Like you're sitting 647 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: there and you're like, I don't know. Back in the day, 648 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: you might be like, oh, this might only last like 649 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, and you really have no idea. 650 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 2: Now you're like, oh, this is gonna be two and 651 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 2: a half. Is it better to or I don't know. 652 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. 653 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: It used to be frustrating. You know, they can give 654 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: you different routes. The problem you have is your one 655 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: route is the ocean, so like, there aren't that many 656 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: ways you can go in depending on what part of 657 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: the country you're in when there's traffic, and that is 658 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: super frustrating. 659 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. I used to want to know the info. 660 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: Now, when you know you're gonna be stuck in traffic 661 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: for hours, it's just like such a defeating feeling to 662 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: be hitting refresh on your phone and know there's nothing 663 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: to say to you, but you're there now, and we're 664 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: to get the third hour. 665 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 2: We'll have some fun here.