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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,

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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.

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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after

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Speaker 1: the party. The bridge she gave from one full episode

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Speaker 1: of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into

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Speaker 1: the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to confront

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Speaker 1: the myth, to reclaim the story. Of this bonus episode,

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Speaker 1: we are discussing this week's new full episode, our part

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Speaker 1: two story on Merle Haggard. Merle's UFO obsession has us

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Speaker 1: rewinding back to our Blink one eighty two story and

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Speaker 1: previewing next week's new episode on Phil Spector and the

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Speaker 1: madness behind his incredible Christmas album. We got a special

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Speaker 1: interview today with Psyclopedias Brooks Slater about Slayer and ed Geen,

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Speaker 1: and we get into your emails, comments, dms, and as

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Speaker 1: always a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast

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Speaker 1: for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who

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Speaker 1: know that the best history is the history that gets buried.

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Speaker 1: Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories they didn't

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Speaker 1: All Right, disc goes, Let's get into it. Murderers, aliens,

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Speaker 1: swimming with thoughts of all of them this week. So

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Speaker 1: first up, murderers and heavy metal songs. There's been an

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Speaker 1: that conversation is coming up later in this after party,

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Speaker 1: and you're not gonna want to miss it. It's fascinating

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Speaker 1: now onto country singers and aliens. In our continuation of

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Speaker 1: the Merle Haggard story. In this week's new full episode,

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Speaker 1: we reveal in Merle Part two that Merle almost collaborated

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Speaker 1: after party. Next week's new episode is on Phil Spector

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Speaker 1: and John Lennon, who is heavily involved in Phil's story

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Speaker 1: and I ain't too surprised. Elvis Costello, Sammy Hagar, Kat Stevens,

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Speaker 1: can you believe it? Thud right now in the past

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Speaker 1: week with the release of the documentary The Age of

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Speaker 1: Disclosure by Dan Farrah. Now, this documentary is not some

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Speaker 1: and dog eared copy of Project Blue book. This is

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Speaker 1: an Amazon distributed theatrically released, highly produced film featuring numerous

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Speaker 1: James Clapper, and many, many, many others on record stating

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Speaker 1: say what you will about the proof, the proof is

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Speaker 1: and what they discuss is truly revelatory, and the reason

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Speaker 1: for their disclosure is truly chilling. They're afraid, afraid that

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Speaker 1: just don't even know it. My advice. Listen or we

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Speaker 1: And I'm laughing because I'm shamelessly pimping disgrace Sand right now.

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Speaker 1: But it's not without merit. Much of what I detail

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Speaker 1: know what you think about this topic. Okay? Are we

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Speaker 1: the John Lennon UFO sighting that I mentioned earlier. That

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Speaker 1: Last week was Thanksgiving. I hope you all had a

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the greatest Thanksgiving concert film. Hell, the

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Speaker 3: Wilcom by Sam Jones. Not really a concert movie, but

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of concert footage. Probably the best movie

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Speaker 1: I saw that Will Come movie when it came out

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Speaker 1: And I never went back and watched it again, and

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Speaker 1: You know. Recently, I had YouTube on and I just

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Speaker 1: old people can't play rock and roll. You just keep going,

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Speaker 1: And obviously that's what LCD is gonna do. All right,

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Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's move the conversation over to the greatest

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Speaker 1: So in the process of the podcast, I've sort of

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Speaker 1: looked back at my formative years and my child and

426
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Speaker 1: been like, what got me into true crime? And I

427
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Speaker 1: realized that this Slayer song and this specifically this story

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Speaker 1: about ed Gean, which was very pre podcast mythical story

429
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Speaker 1: of horror story, right, Like, this is something we passed

430
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Speaker 1: around the hallways at school, we at the bus stop, etc.

431
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Speaker 1: It was just like you couldn't believe it it was true.

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Speaker 1: Some people believed it, some people didn't. So anyways, this

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Speaker 1: is one of the things that got me first interested

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Speaker 1: in true crime. I want to know what first got

435
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Speaker 1: in you interested in true crime?

436
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Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, Well it started way way way back.

437
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Speaker 5: I mean, I can't remember a time when I wasn't

438
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Speaker 5: into true crime. Honestly, my grandmother used to read me

439
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 5: true crime stories and fiction, horror and detective stories before

440
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Speaker 5: bed like that was my bedtime story.

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Speaker 4: Everybody else get grandma.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, their mother goose stuff and I'm getting, you know,

443
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Speaker 5: at gain for example. But and I have a twin sister,

444
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 5: so she and I would be tucked in together and

445
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 5: she would be hiding under the blankets with a pillow

446
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 5: over her head like grandma, please stop. And I would

447
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 5: be foaming at the mouth, like please, grandma. More So,

448
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Speaker 5: I've always been into true crime. I went to school

449
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 5: for criminal justice and criminology. I sort of always knew

450
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Speaker 5: I wanted to wind up doing something.

451
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Speaker 4: In the field.

452
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 5: And there's so much to do, right, Like you kind

453
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 5: of just spoke about it a little bit. In terms

454
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 5: of a game, there's so many layers. There's the psychology,

455
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 5: there's you know, the criminology. Obviously, there's the gruesomeness of it,

456
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 5: which is actually not what.

457
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Speaker 4: I'm all about.

458
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Speaker 5: I'm all about highlighting the victims to the extent that

459
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Speaker 5: I can, and understanding the mind behind the perpetrator.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: Sort of one of the big premises of Psychopedia, or

462
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Speaker 5: what I try to convey in every episode is I

463
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 5: try and steer people away from referring to perpetrators as

464
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Speaker 5: monsters because they feel like when you do that, you're

465
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Speaker 5: categorizing them into this like other area and they're not.

466
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 5: They're human beings and you need to understand them so

467
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Speaker 5: that we can crack the code and prevent it from

468
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 5: happening again. So we can understand that everybody comes with

469
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Speaker 5: the history and circumstances, and if we can dive into

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Speaker 5: that and understand it, then maybe we could prevent future

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Speaker 5: crimes from happening. So this is always where I've lived.

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Speaker 5: This has always been my head space. I've always been,

473
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Speaker 5: you know, a creepy kind of girl. There's never been

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Speaker 5: a point when I haven't loved true crime. And now

475
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Speaker 5: I get to do it for a living.

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Speaker 1: Right right, I wonder how many ed genes we've prevented

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Speaker 1: from happening. So this story talk about creepy. I mean,

478
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Speaker 1: you're joking about yourself being a creepy kind of girl.

479
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: This is the creepiest I know. I know you just

480
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Speaker 1: said you don't want us to call these people monsters.

481
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Speaker 1: That's literally the name of the series about this guy.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to go against what you just said,

484
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: but against I don't know how to categorize this guy.

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Speaker 1: This is this is next level. And it's interesting because

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Speaker 1: the song, the Slayer song, this is you know, the

487
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: music is the music, history of it all is my

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Speaker 1: side of the fence. And the song, when you read

489
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: the lyrics, they're not that creepy there. They're a little

490
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Speaker 1: bit more figurative than they are literal suggestive. When you

491
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Speaker 1: hear the song, however, and you hear the lyrics on

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Speaker 1: song with the music, it's creepy as all hell. It

493
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Speaker 1: just it goes right up my spine. And I think

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Speaker 1: it just reminds me of that there's something like you said,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking about your grandmother and you

496
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Speaker 1: and your sister being under the covers and hearing these stories,

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Speaker 1: I think there's there's things are more fearful in adulthood

498
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: when we can root them to our formative years. In

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Speaker 1: some ways, yes, and that's what this song does for me.

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Speaker 1: So I thought it might be interesting if because you're

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Speaker 1: you're you're a true crime expert, you're certainly way more

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Speaker 1: knowledgeable what ed gan than I am. I thought it

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Speaker 1: might be interesting if we tell the story of ed

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Speaker 1: Gean through the Slayer lyrics. Here and see. I just

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Speaker 1: kind of want to do some some association here, and

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Speaker 1: I hate to put you on the spot, but I

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Speaker 1: want to. I want to read you the lyrics, essentially

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Speaker 1: passages from the lyrics, and have you relate them to

509
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Speaker 1: the Edgeen story, and we'll sort of piece together the

510
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Speaker 1: narrative here as we go.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it. I love it.

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Speaker 5: I listened to the song driving over here, but I

513
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 5: was busy, like jamming to it, and I wasn't really

514
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Speaker 5: so heavy into the lyrics.

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Speaker 4: So this will be fun to dive into it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, I'm going to start at the top here,

517
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Speaker 1: so here we go. Now, I just want to give

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Speaker 1: people a tiny bit of context to make this perhaps

519
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: a little bit creepier for those who don't know anything

520
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: about Edgean. This is nineteen fifties Wisconsin, Is that right?

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Speaker 4: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: It's this guy who lives with his mother and his sister.

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Speaker 1: I believe that dad brother, excuse me, the dad is gone, right,

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Speaker 1: The dad's out of the house.

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Speaker 4: He was there for a little while.

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Speaker 5: He initially was ed his brother and his two parents,

527
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Speaker 5: and they were just one fucked up little family living

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Speaker 5: in isolated rural Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: Right, totally totally off the grid.

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Speaker 5: Not in a sense that you know, they didn't mingle

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Speaker 5: with society, but they were on the fringes for sure.

532
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Speaker 5: And his mother is really the one who wore no,

533
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Speaker 5: I don't want to say wore the pants.

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Speaker 4: That's first of all horrible, I hate that expression.

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Speaker 5: But she basically had everybody in a psychological choke hold.

536
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 5: So when his father ultimately died, it sort of didn't

537
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 5: even ship the dynamic in the household because his mother

538
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 5: was always the one in charge, always the one calling

539
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 5: the shots. So nothing really changed when he died. Everything, however,

540
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 5: changed when she died, right right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we're nineteen fifties where rural America, Wisconsin, rural

542
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Speaker 1: society for this family anyways, domineering mother. And just so

543
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Speaker 1: those of you movie fans out there, ed Gean was

544
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: the loose inspiration for Norman Bates in Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho,

545
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: also loose inspiration for the Texas Chainsaw massacre story. Not

546
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: a literal adaptation, but that's what we're doing dealing with.

547
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: That's at the court here. So let's get into the

548
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: slayer lyrics.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's actually a third movie loosely based on him.

550
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 5: As well, or a character I should say, and that's

551
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 5: Buffalo Bill in Silence.

552
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 4: Of the Lambs.

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00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 5: So he's had you know, I was going to mention

554
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 5: this earlier. Even if you think you don't know who

555
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 5: ed Green is, chances are you do because you've seen

556
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 5: one of those movies right right.

557
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: And if you're a true crime fan, you absolutely know

558
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: who ed Geen is, but you might not know who

559
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: you know whose slayer is, what the slayer song is?

560
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: And here we go. It's absolutely based on ed Gean.

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00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 1: They've said it explicitly.

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00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: Here.

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00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: Here are the lyrics, the beginning lyrics. So, Brooke, I

564
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Speaker 1: want to know what part of the story you think

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Speaker 1: this relates to? Lyrics? Go, how I've waited for you

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Speaker 1: to come. I've been here all alone. Now that you've arrived,

567
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Speaker 1: please stay awhile and I promise I won't keep you long.

568
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: I'll keep you forever, forever, forever, forever.

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Speaker 4: And that he did, or that he tried to do.

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Speaker 4: So here's my take on it.

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Speaker 5: As we mentioned, he was, you know, in this psychological

572
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 5: choke hold from his mother. He thought of his mother

573
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 5: as the one woman he loved in his entire life.

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00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 5: He really did not know how to exist when she died.

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Speaker 5: So the honestly it's a very little translation. But how

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Speaker 5: I've waited for you to come, I think, is how

577
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 5: I've waited for you to come back. So she died

578
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Speaker 5: in nineteen forty five. Eighteen months later is when he

579
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Speaker 5: unearthed his first corpse.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, hold on, explain we any details here?

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Speaker 1: Unearthing the first corpse, I've waited for you to come,

582
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: so Sillo talk for me.

583
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Speaker 5: So yeah, definitely have me pump the brakes. So Augusta

584
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Speaker 5: his mother died, as I said, in nineteen forty five,

585
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 5: and he was lost. He was like a ship without

586
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 5: an anchor, he really was. He did not know how

587
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 5: to think for himself. He didn't know how to live

588
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 5: in the world without her. She had taught him everything

589
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 5: he knew and didn't know because he kept her. She

590
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 5: kept him rather so isolated and shielded. When she died,

591
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 5: he closed off her bedroom, he closed off the living room.

592
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Speaker 5: He made like this macab museum out of their shared home,

593
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Speaker 5: and he wouldn't touch anything that belonged to her. As

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Speaker 5: time went on, and I think the wall started to

595
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 5: close it in on him and he started to just

596
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 5: psychologically unravel. He was needing his mother. He was needing

597
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Speaker 5: her in a very literal sense. So he had the

598
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 5: idea to literally recreate her using the flesh of dead

599
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 5: women who resembled her. So he would go through the

600
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 5: obituaries and he would find freshly deceased women who mimicked

601
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Speaker 5: his mother, typically physically, but also a lot of times

602
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 5: in personality as well. So he would unearth their corpses,

603
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 5: dig them up, take them back to his home, and

604
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 5: then go to town on literally picking them apart and

605
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 5: making items that he could hold onto forever, which is

606
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Speaker 5: you know, I've been here all alone, as the lyric,

607
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 5: since she died, for eighteen months.

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00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: He was there all alone.

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Speaker 5: Now that you've arrived, meaning now that I've basically unearthed

610
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 5: what symbolically represents you, please stay a while.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to make you into a nipple belt. I'm

612
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Speaker 4: gonna maek you into a chair.

613
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 5: I'm going to use women's skulls and eat my soup

614
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 5: out of them. In the kitchen, he kept nine volvas

615
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 5: in a box underneath his bed, which, by the way,

616
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 5: he painted silver and salted. I think probably to preserve

617
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 5: I don't think he was actually eating anything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, this is this is a lot.

619
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say to that except

620
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Speaker 1: nine Volvas might have been the B side to Dead

621
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: Skin Masks. So I'm I'm not trying to not trying

622
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: to joke, but I am okay. So he's I don't

623
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Speaker 1: even know where to go. I mean, this is this

624
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: is in part. I don't know this story like you

625
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: know it clearly, and I had a real hard time

626
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: with getting into the TV show. And you know, I've

627
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: seen stuff. I've seen the images of the nipple belt.

628
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: I've seen these things that are just completely psychotic. And

629
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Speaker 1: it's really interesting to me because the Slayer song comes

630
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: out in nineteen ninety and Slayer was like, they weren't

631
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: a band that was me. I mean, they were about

632
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: as mainstream as a thrash metal band could get, but

633
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: they weren't as mainstream as Metallica or even Anthrax. MTV

634
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: Headbanger's Ball would play them, but they got no radio play,

635
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: no mainstream video play because their lyrics were considered to

636
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: be extreme. And as we're going through this story, it's

637
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: clear to me that the reality here is far more

638
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: extreme than what they put in the song. And I

639
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: can actually I would bet, you know, you know whatever,

640
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: you want to bet that they made a choice and

641
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: they had to pull back on being explicit in the

642
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: lyrics for fear of just you know, not getting any

643
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: airplay and not you know, who knows what, like how

644
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: how the censorship would have been applied, because the reality here, everything,

645
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: the details you just listed are completely fucked up. And

646
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit strange to me that here

647
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: we are in twenty twenty five and it's mainstreamed in

648
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: not only a podcast like Yours Are Mine, but in

649
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: or other true crime podcasts, but on a Netflix series,

650
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: and it's huge, And this is the stuff we're talking about.

651
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the next layer of care

652
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: graze the skin with my fingertips, the brush of dead

653
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: cold flesh, appease the means, provoking images, delicate features so smooth,

654
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: a pleasant I can't even get it out, A pleasant

655
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: fragrance in the light of the moon. What is mister

656
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: ed Geen up to in.

657
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 5: This verse, Well, slayer I think took some creative liberties,

658
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 5: which is absolutely their right to do so, no judgment

659
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 5: on that. Well, yes, so he definitely obviously would finesse

660
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 5: the skin he made masks out of real human faces.

661
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 5: He used special oils and he peeled off the faces.

662
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 5: He preserved it, and he made actual masks. He also

663
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 5: made what was referred to as a mammary vest, which

664
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 5: was he essentially skinned the torso of a deceased woman,

665
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 5: breaststill intact, and then.

666
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 4: He would wear the skin suit.

667
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 5: So yes, he would graize his the skin with his fingertips,

668
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 5: and he would do a lot fucking more than that.

669
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 5: The brush of dead, cold flesh appeased. The means pretty

670
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 5: self explanatory. Here's where he took. I believe Slayer took

671
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 5: two creative liberties, provoking images, delicate features so smooth. His

672
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 5: mother was a very severe looking woman. She was of

673
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 5: German descent. And the women that he dug up and

674
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 5: actually killed, he did kill two women were very sort

675
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 5: of big bones, severe looking women. There was sort of

676
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 5: I wouldn't use the word delicate to describe their features, okay,

677
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 5: And their features at this point would not have been

678
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 5: smooth because they were decomposed. Okay, that's fine, Slayer. The

679
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 5: next line a pleasant fragrance in the light of the moon.

680
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 5: So here's a big sticking point Edgin did not enjoy

681
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 5: the scent of decomposing flesh. In fact, the reason he

682
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 5: provides for countering anybody who claims that he was accountable

683
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 5: or a necrophiliac is that he could not stand the

684
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 5: stench of flesh, so he didn't eat it and he

685
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 5: didn't have.

686
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: Sex with it.

687
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 5: A lot of sources will say he's a necrophiliac. There's

688
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 5: actually different types of necro files. There are those who

689
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 5: do get off on decomposing flesh, so they will have

690
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 5: sex with dead bodies, and then there's necro files who

691
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 5: just get off on the fact that the body is

692
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 5: dead and they have ultimate control to do with that

693
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 5: body whatever they want, So.

694
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 4: A pleasant fragrance not according to Ed Deane.

695
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: I get that completely. It's interesting though. The smell of

696
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: death is a real is obviously a real thing. We

697
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: covered it in our Norwegian black metal episode where there

698
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: was the singer in this Norwegian band who just became

699
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: I mean his name was dead Mayhem. Yeah.

700
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 5: I did an episode on them, so I actually yeah, and.

701
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: So you know that he was actually obsessed with the

702
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: smell of death, and he would carry around dead birds

703
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: so he could on them and and it's so it's

704
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: I can't even I can't. I literally can't understand it.

705
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: I can if you've ever smelled anything dead, like you

706
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: got an animal I've had. We lived in an old

707
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: New England house and we would get animals trapped in

708
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: the walls, and it's just it's absolutely disgusting. I can't

709
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: understand how somebody's brain makes this switch and that becomes

710
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: something that they're into. And apparently I was a bridge

711
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: too far for ed Geenes.

712
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 4: Apparently, so exactly. Yeah, I mean I think I think

713
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 4: that's just it.

714
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 5: You just touched on a really important point, you know

715
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 5: what I mean, it's just the psychology. It's the you know,

716
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 5: perpetrators on this level or you know, in the case

717
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 5: of dead for example, they're so complex, you know. And

718
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 5: again if you label them monsters and you kind of

719
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 5: put them in their own category and you say, like, well,

720
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 5: you know, they're just not like us, and so it

721
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 5: is what it is. You're never going to learn about

722
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 5: them and you're never going to figure out what makes

723
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 5: them the way they are. And if if you can't

724
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 5: figure that out, you can't protect the future. Basically, not

725
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 5: to get too heavy with this, he is a human being.

726
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 4: He came from somewhere.

727
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 5: Ed Gean, he came from a really difficult background psychologically speaking,

728
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 5: and it took its toll and it manifested in a

729
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 5: very fucked up way.

730
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Okay, let's take it here to the

731
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: next set of lyrics. Dance with the dead, speaking to dead,

732
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: Dance with the dead in my dreams. Listen to their

733
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: hallowed screams, the dead of taking my soul. I know

734
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: where this is going. Temptations lost all control.

735
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 5: Okay, dance with the Dead in my dreams. Ed Gean

736
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 5: did struggle with hallucinations.

737
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: Really.

738
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 4: Yeah. He felt that he could hear his mother's voice

739
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 4: after she died.

740
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 5: He felt that he could see faces in the leaves,

741
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 5: for example, and he felt that he could always smell rot.

742
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: What's interesting is he he.

743
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 5: Had that sort of old factory hallucination before he was

744
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 5: unearthing corpses. Initially, when I was researching this, I felt like, well,

745
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 5: you're smelling rot because you're digging up dead bodies.

746
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 4: But this actually happened before that.

747
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 5: But yeah, he was having auditory hallucinations, he was having

748
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 5: visual hallucinations, and I think ultimately it was all of

749
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 5: that that ended up pushing him over the edge in

750
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 5: such a way that made him end up taking two

751
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 5: lives and then unearthing all of these corpses. Listen to

752
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 5: their hallowed screams. He didn't kill the women. He did

753
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 5: sadly kill two women, Mary Hogan and Bernice Warden, but

754
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 5: he killed them very quickly. Neither one of them knew

755
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 5: what was happening. He shot them both in the head unfortunately,

756
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 5: so there were no screams. So listen to their hallowed screams.

757
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 5: I think is just a creative liberty. The dead have

758
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 5: taken my soul, I think is symbolic of his mother

759
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 5: taking his soul when she died and taking everything that

760
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 5: she created that he did not know how to run with.

761
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 5: When she died, the wheel came off, So I think

762
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 5: that is that lyric has to do with that. And

763
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 5: then Temptations lost all control is like, fuck it, I'm

764
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 5: just gonna go all in at this point, and I'm

765
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 5: gonna wear female breasts and genitals, which he did.

766
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: Simple smiles lude, psychotic eyes lose all mind control, rationale declines,

767
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: empty eyes enslave the creations of placid faces and lifeless pageants.

768
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 5: So the psychotic eyes part is what's interesting to me. Interestingly,

769
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 5: not every expert is on the same page as to

770
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 5: whether or not ed Gean was psychotic.

771
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 4: Really yeah, so and.

772
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: Keep see alternative if he's not.

773
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 5: Psychotic a personality disorder. So in a legal sense, they're

774
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 5: very different things. You sort of have to understand whether

775
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 5: or not a perpetrator has psychosis or they're dealing with

776
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 5: mental health issues and what kind of mental health issues,

777
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 5: because it helps you to deter.

778
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 4: In the sentencing for that perpetrator.

779
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 5: So a finding of psychosis means that the individual lacked

780
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 5: the capacity to understand right from wrong when they were

781
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 5: committing the crime in question. So when it comes to sentencing,

782
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 5: you're not going to lock that person up in a prison.

783
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 5: You're going to send that individual to know a psychiatric

784
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 5: institution for treatment they may not ever see mainstream society. Again,

785
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 5: that's not what I'm saying. They're not given a pass,

786
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 5: but they are not given prison. So at the time,

787
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 5: ed Gain was deemed psychotic and he was sent to

788
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 5: live out the rest of his days in a psychiatric institution.

789
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 5: But there are experts today who feel that since our

790
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 5: understanding of mental health has shifted so much since the

791
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 5: nineteen fifties, that it's not really one hundred percent, you know,

792
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 5: the case that he would be looked at as legally

793
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 5: insane today. So the question is did he know what

794
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 5: he was doing was wrong and he did it anyway, right?

795
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 4: Or did he not even.

796
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 5: Realize that what he was doing was wrong? And that

797
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 5: is the crux of the criminal justice system really, right?

798
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: Right? What do you think?

799
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 4: Great question? I kind of.

800
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 5: When you're looking at whether or not somebody knew what

801
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 5: they were doing was wrong and that they did it anyway,

802
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 5: you want to look at things like premeditation. Now, people

803
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 5: think that premeditation means that you're sitting and you're plotting

804
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 5: and you have every single detail calculated. That's not necessarily

805
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 5: what premeditation is. So pre meditation is also were their

806
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 5: steps taken to cover up the crime? Was there any

807
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 5: thought put into committing the crime where you're covering your tracks,

808
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 5: where there's this sort of mental awareness that what you're

809
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 5: doing is wrong enough that you could get in trouble.

810
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 4: And if you see.

811
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 5: Those elements in a crime, then that can constitute us premeditation.

812
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 4: You saw that with ed Gean.

813
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 5: He only dug up the bodies under the pale moonlight, right,

814
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 5: So he waited until it was pitch black and the

815
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 5: world was asleep. To me, that suggests premeditation. When he

816
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 5: was ultimately put in the back of a squad car.

817
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 5: When he was ultimately picked up, the first thing out

818
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 5: of his mouth was, I was framed, which was very

819
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 5: silly if you listen to the coverage of it. I'm like,

820
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 5: you dumb fuck, Like you don't even know why you're

821
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 5: in the back of that police car already.

822
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 4: Confessing to something.

823
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 5: But basically he had the wherewithal to know, oh shit,

824
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 5: I'm getting caught for something that I've done. Here, I'm

825
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 5: going to say I was framed. So those two things

826
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 5: kind of put up a red flag that there was premeditation. However,

827
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 5: all of that said, I think that he was suffering

828
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 5: from psychosis.

829
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: Really wow, fascinating, absolutely fascinating. All right, let's keep going here.

830
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: In the depths of a mind insane, fantasy and reality

831
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: are the same, right mm hmm. I mean that goes to.

832
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 5: What you were just saying exactly exactly right, Like, if

833
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 5: you can't tell that what you're doing is wrong, if

834
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 5: you just you've lost all sense of you know exactly

835
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 5: what's right and wrong, what's reality? What's fantasy then, you know,

836
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 5: to in their lyrics, is your mind insane? Which obviously

837
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 5: the definition of insanity, you know, in a legal sense,

838
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 5: is different from the definition of you know, somebody who's

839
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 5: insanity in a mental health sense. But in the end

840
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 5: ed Gain was not, you know, was deemed criminally insane.

841
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 5: So that was that was at the time what he

842
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 5: was considered.

843
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: This last lyric incized members, I'm skipping the course again,

844
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: insized members, ornaments on my being adulating the skin before me.

845
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, can you guess? Can you guess what that means?

846
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: Take?

847
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 4: Can you give us your best shot?

848
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: I can't. I mean, that's the thing that turns me

849
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: off with the series is the dancing around, the wearing

850
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: of the dead body parts, the ornaments on my being

851
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: quote unquote, I just it's hard to imagine, never mind

852
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: to watch the visual the dramatization of it. Yeah. Really,

853
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: And I know my listeners are probably gonna be like,

854
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: what are you fucking talking about? You've depicted the goryous

855
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: shit possible. I don't know. There's just there's something about

856
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: this story that that just strikes me. It's like the

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Speaker 1: Damer story is very similar. It schemes me out in

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Speaker 1: a way that that most stories don't for some for

859
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Speaker 1: some reason. I mean, I've done cannibalism. I mean I've

860
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Speaker 1: covered cannibalism the past, nice numerous times, big lurch. We

861
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Speaker 1: talked about mayhem. But I don't know, man, There's there's

862
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Speaker 1: just something about I guess the wearing of flesh that

863
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Speaker 1: is just.

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Speaker 4: It gets you.

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Speaker 5: I mean, listen, good for you, man, I don't have

866
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Speaker 5: that I wish I did. I have lost all ability

867
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Speaker 5: to there's no more line for you, There's no more line.

868
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Speaker 5: I have not lost my empathy at all for the victim.

869
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Speaker 5: So you know, in that sense, I'm still one hundred

870
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Speaker 5: percent feeling constantly, which is my cross to bear being

871
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Speaker 5: a true crime podcaster. But no, I can't. I can't

872
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Speaker 5: get past my fascination with this stuff. I think enough

873
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Speaker 5: to feel.

874
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Speaker 4: The gruesomeness of it, if that makes sense.

875
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Speaker 5: It's all so symbolic to me that I'm almost looking

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Speaker 5: past the act.

877
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking for the reason behind the act. You

878
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: so you can objectify the act and the horror of

879
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: it is a separate thing, and you do it masterfully.

880
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Speaker 1: Your show is incredible.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we got to meet. I'm a fan. I

883
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Speaker 1: love that we've been able to talk a little bit

884
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Speaker 1: about this and you've been You've been super curious about

885
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Speaker 1: the music side of it, which is awesome. I know

886
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Speaker 1: my listeners are gonna love your show. Everybody tell everybody,

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Speaker 1: tell Discos where Cyclopedia is available, when when the episodes hit,

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Speaker 1: and where else they can find you.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and thank you Jake, by the way, also huge

890
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Speaker 5: fan of yours. I have been for a long time.

891
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Speaker 5: I've been wanting this to happen for so so long,

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Speaker 5: So thank you, thank you for this moment. Cyclopedia It

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Speaker 5: drops every single Wednesday. It's available wherever you get your podcasts, also.

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Speaker 4: On Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 5: I actually you would just follow at investigator Slater versus Psyclopedia.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of where I post everything relating to what

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Speaker 5: I do. And yeah, I have Patreon, dot com.

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Speaker 4: Slash Psyclopedia pod as well for extra.

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Speaker 5: True crime content, behind the scenes stuff, opportunity to guest

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Speaker 5: co hosts with.

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Speaker 4: Me over there. But yeah, otherwise the main feed.

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Speaker 5: I would love to have you on the main feed, everybody,

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Speaker 5: And that's anywhere you listen to podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Nice and what's you just did the two episodes on

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Speaker 1: ed Gan. What else do you have coming up? What's

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Speaker 1: coming up next?

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Speaker 5: The next one I have coming up is, Oh, it's

908
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Speaker 5: another It's another doozy.

909
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's about.

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Speaker 5: This is Wild, a teenage boy who murdered his parents

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Speaker 5: and then hid their remains in his bedroom and through

912
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Speaker 5: a massive house party. So I'm going to go to

913
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Speaker 5: town on the psychology there because that's fucking wild.

914
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Speaker 1: That's that reminds me of the Disgrace lineups. So we

915
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Speaker 1: did on club Kid from New York, Michael aleg who

916
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: ended up very similarly. He he killed his friend who

917
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Speaker 1: was this drug dealer, chopped him up into little pieces,

918
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Speaker 1: put him gonna put him in a box, and then

919
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Speaker 1: had had just started partying and then multiple parties with

920
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Speaker 1: this his the friend is like rotting in a box

921
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Speaker 1: in this like luxury high rise apartment in New York City.

922
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: There's like flies. Everyone's like, what's in the box, dude,

923
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: He's like, oh nothing. He actually he's like, oh that's Angel.

924
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Speaker 1: That's where Angel is.

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Speaker 5: Like where's this guy going to get his drugs? Now,

926
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Speaker 5: you don't bite the hand that feeds you exactly.

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Speaker 1: That dude called me. That dude called me when he

928
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Speaker 1: got out of prison. That was fucked up. Oh shit,

929
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 1: yeah that was I had I actually released it. It was nuts.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm going off I'm going off topic here.

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Speaker 1: I love it. This is great. Thank you so much, Brooke.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you. I hope all the disgrace and listeners get

933
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Speaker 1: to listen to Cyclopedia and I don't know, we get

934
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Speaker 1: into more true crime and music overlap. Be awesome to

935
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Speaker 1: have you.

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Speaker 4: Back and look too anytime. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, hope you dug that interview with myself

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Speaker 1: and Brooke sort of tracing back my uh it would

939
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Speaker 1: be an overuse of the word trauma, but sort of

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Speaker 1: you know my uh my ed geen kinda hebe GB's

941
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Speaker 1: back back back to cel goes back to Slayer. Doesn't

942
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Speaker 1: everything go back to heavy metal? I don't know, it

943
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Speaker 1: kind of does for me anyhow. Check out Brooke. She's

944
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Speaker 1: obviously very informed, intelligent, way up on true crime. If

945
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Speaker 1: you're a true crime head, like I know most of

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Speaker 1: you are, check out her show Cyclopedia. Uh, it's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, thanks for riding with me on another

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Speaker 1: We have episodes on all these guys, and Matt is

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Speaker 1: All right, let's recap, shall we? Number one? This week's

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Speaker 1: new episode on Merle Haggard Our Part two story on

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Speaker 1: Blink one E two and Tom DeLong. We get in

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Speaker 1: more fully to the UAP thing there as well. That's

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Speaker 1: coming up you're right after this. Next week comes our

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Speaker 1: new story on Phil Spector in his insanity that may

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Speaker 1: have started way back before the incredible Christmas album that

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Speaker 1: Don't forget this goes. This isn't just content. It's a community,

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Speaker 1: a community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books,

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Speaker 1: Way back in November nineteen seventy three, Merle Haggard took

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Speaker 1: a break from his house boat and from watching UFOs

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Speaker 1: and released his excellent Christmas album, Merle Haggard's Christmas Present.

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Speaker 1: Here's what America was listening to you on that day,

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Speaker 1: Part one, Eddie Kendricks last week three weeks on chart

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Speaker 1: nine peak positions is two, number three, number five, Angie

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Speaker 1: last week board in weeks on charts last peak position

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