1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: one never told you a productive of iHeartRadio. And today, 3 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: before we get into this content, warning for physical and 4 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: sexual assault and harassment bullying. It's not gonna be too detailed, 5 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: but it is really upsetting. I will say that today 6 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: is May sixteenth, twenty twenty four. I'm saying that because 7 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of an ongoing story. And Okay, so I've 8 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: talked about before one of the reasons I got this job, 9 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: that I was even looking into it at all, was 10 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: that I really wanted to make documentaries and I really 11 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: really really really really really wanted to go to Antarctica. 12 00:00:54,960 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: And I even pitched a podcast show that God A 13 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: proved to go to Antarctica. Wow, And I got funding 14 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: and then I believe it couldn't have been COVID something 15 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: some government thing happened that shut down the funding. No 16 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: one was going anymore, and so I never went. But 17 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: I've said before, I want to go, but I want 18 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: to go in a way that won't make me feel 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: like a terrible person for the environment. So I had 20 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: found a way to do it, and I was really 21 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: excited about it, and then it got canceled, and ultimately 22 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: that's that's fine. But then I saw this story and 23 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: it just upset me so much. And it's about the 24 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: experiences women have had, women who work in scientific fields 25 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: when they've gone to Antarctica, and so I really wanted 26 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: to talk about it. I got a lot of this 27 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: from the Wired article these women came to Antarctica for science. 28 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: Then the predators emerged by David Kushner. So recently there 29 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: has been a lot of whistlebowling about sexual harassment in Antarctica. 30 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: A twenty twenty two report by the National Science Foundation 31 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: found that fifty nine percent of women at US run 32 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: antarctic research centers had experienced sexual assault, and we wanted 33 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: to detail these recent accusations. The National Science Foundation is 34 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: the primary funder of Antarctic research, and many of these 35 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: stories are truly hearing, very disturbing. So in nineteen ninety nine, 36 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: twenty two year old Jane Willenbring began her Masters in 37 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: Earth science at Boston University. In undergrad she'd studied beetle 38 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: fossils that were discovered in Antarctica, and it was a 39 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: discipline that she saw as crucial and critical when it 40 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: came to understanding climate change. So she followed this passion 41 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: and attended Boston University, in part because a professor there 42 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: no one for studying things in this field, then thirty 43 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: seven year old David Marchin. He was well known for 44 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: his work and including his discovery of volcanic ash in Antarctica, 45 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: which changed the view of the continent's history. It was 46 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: a discovery that was so impactful that the US Board 47 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: of Geographic Names named a glacier near the McMurdo Station 48 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: the primary research facility there after him. According to will 49 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: and Bring, Market was insistent on picking her up at 50 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: the airport when she arrived, and then he proceeded to 51 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: make her feel guilty about it, like I think, he said, 52 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: like there's a baseball game I could have gone to, 53 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: and then started asking very personal questions, including if she 54 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: had a boyfriend, if she knew anybody in the area. 55 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: And they were scheduled to go to Antarctica together, and 56 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: they did towards the end of nineteen ninety nine, along 57 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: with grad student Adam Lewis. Willen Bring began feeling discomfort 58 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: on the eight hour flight to McMurdo when the planes 59 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: bathroom was just a bucket with a curtain that made 60 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: it very difficult for women to peeve without exposing themselves. Allegedly, 61 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: Market refused to order women a p funnel because he 62 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: believed it was quote gross having women stand up while 63 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: VP still willen Brang was excited to arrive at Antarctica 64 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: and eager to start collecting samples and get to work. 65 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: She'd done all the training on how to survive there 66 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: and the rules around the facility. She wasn't the only 67 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: one learning the rope so because Market had brought his 68 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: older brother, Jeffrey, who was not a scientist. When she 69 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: voiced her concerns to Market, he dismissed her, instead, telling 70 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: her to call Jeffrey by his quote porn star name 71 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: Ken Tonka, in part given to him because his penis 72 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: was like a Tonka truck. Not long after they arrived her, 73 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: the Market brothers and Lewis flew about seventy miles away 74 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: to do some research. Market expressed his belief in roughing 75 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: it for the weeks that they would be there, and 76 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: he was very harsh towards anyone who, in his mind, 77 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: couldn't keep up with him, and was even harsher towards women. 78 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: Other women have shared their stories to back this up. 79 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: On top of that, Markett had only brought three tenths 80 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: for the four of them, suggesting that Willian brig share 81 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: one with his brother Jeffrey, because Jeffrey liked her. Over 82 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: the next few days, he continued to try to ingratiate 83 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: her to his brother, going so far as to ask 84 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: if she had seen his penis, and unfortunately she had. 85 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: She had awoken to him peeting with an erection on 86 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: more than one occasion. Due to the power and balance 87 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: the isolation and the gatekeeping in terms of opportunities in 88 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: the field, Willimburing didn't feel comfortable complaining there was only 89 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: one radio that could contact Murdo, and Murcant was the 90 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: one that had it. The days got tougher, both in 91 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: terms of weather and Market's drill sergeant like behavior. After 92 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: discovering a piece of granite that was a great find 93 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: in terms of the historical record, Willian Bring was dismissed 94 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: by Market. She knew her find was meaningful, though, and 95 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: she had come to realize that he just liked messing 96 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: with her head. No matter what she did, she was wrong, 97 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: and one instant he asked her to look at a 98 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: sediment sample and then blew it into her eye. He 99 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: pushed her down a path she was struggling with climbing, 100 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: he'd throw rocks at her while she was peeing. She 101 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: started to limit her water intake so she wouldn't have 102 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: to pee as much, and it's eventually led to her 103 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: getting a bladder infection and peeing blood. And in response 104 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: to that, he told her to drink cranberry juice and 105 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: she still deals with that to this day in terms 106 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: of bladder issues. Once the trip was over and they 107 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: were back in Boston, Willenbring was asked to write a 108 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: tenure recommendation for Merchant, which she did because she was 109 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: afraid not doing so would hurt her opportunities. Eventually, she 110 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: left Boston to pursue a PhD in Canada and then 111 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: got a job in Pennsylvania as an assistant professor in 112 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: the Department of Earth and Environmental Science at the University 113 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania. However, sexism followed her there, and she encountered 114 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: comments about her weight when she was pregnant, her nipples, 115 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: and her clothes. One day, she had to take her 116 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: three year old daughter to the lab, and after seeing 117 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: her mom in action. Her daughter declared like she wanted 118 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: to be a scientist too, and this made will and 119 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: Bring cry thinking of what she had endured and what 120 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: her daughter might endure if she pursued a career in science, 121 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: and so that experience prompted her to speak out about 122 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: what happened. She wrote up a letter of complaint, but 123 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: then kept herself from sending it because she was still 124 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: afraid for her career. After moving once again and getting tenure, 125 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: willen Bring filed a Title nine complaint against Merkamp. The 126 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: first response from Boston University left her hopeful, and two 127 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: other women soon followed suit. And this was when the 128 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: me too movement was really in full swing, and the 129 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: story even reached full frontal with Samantha Bee quote, you 130 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: can't even go to the most remote part of the 131 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: planet without some dude swinging his cold, shriveled dick your way. 132 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: Boston University determined that Market had sexually her ass will 133 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: and Bring, but ultimately put him on unpaid three year suspension, 134 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: though he was eventually fired two years later. In twenty eighteen, 135 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: five women came forward with allegations of sexual harassment and 136 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: coercion and bullying on the inaugural voyage for women in 137 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: stem To Antarctica, and it was all about developing leadership. 138 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: One of the women alleged that she woke up next 139 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: to a naked man with no memory of what happened, which, 140 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: by the way, this trip, ostensibly about research, cost seventy 141 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: six women fifteen thousand dollars and had the slogan mother 142 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: Nature needs her daughters. One of the women attendees, Meredith Nash, 143 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: documented the trip and collected a lot of disturbing information, 144 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: like when she was looking back over what she'd collected, 145 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: she found footage of a woman crying because a man 146 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: had tried to force his way into her room without permission. 147 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: After following up, the woman relaid she'd reported this two officials. 148 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: She later said this was a voyage for women to 149 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: go to Antarctica and break boundaries, and instead the few 150 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: men on board made this experience feel like a microcosm 151 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: of the real world. I felt unsafe and what happened 152 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: to me brought me back to reality. Allegedly, two crew 153 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: members were fired after this incident, and the company released 154 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: a set of rules to improve future voyages. A lot 155 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: of them were the rules you'd read and'd be like, Wow, 156 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: we had to write this out, okay cool. Nash was 157 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: so disturbed by all of this that she surveyed one 158 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty women who had done research in Antarctica. 159 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: Over sixty three percent reported being harassed, and half reported 160 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: that they had never come forward about it. The numbers 161 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: and stories were so sobering that in twenty twenty, the 162 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: Australian Antarctic Division brought Nash in to do a government 163 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: funded study of their programs in terms of diversity, inclusion 164 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: and equity. Very soon after she started, as she says, 165 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: it was one of the first stories she got someone 166 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: pointed out a man and said that he had raped 167 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: a woman that was working right next to him. Still, 168 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: over the next two years, Nash collected a plethora of 169 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: stories about harassment and assault, all made worse by the 170 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: fact of the region's remote remoteness, because even if you 171 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: wanted to leave, you can't. Like literally often, you literally can't. 172 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, Antarctic Division offices started offering menstrual products. 173 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one, they hired three women in hire up 174 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: positions and quote improved training around sexual misconduct. A lot 175 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: of women have shared stories of reporting men harassing them, 176 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: are assaulting them and being told that, oh, he'll be disciplined, 177 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: only to have to work with him later. And after 178 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: being raped, one woman was told we have concluded that 179 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: a sexual incident took place that resulted in feelings of 180 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: humiliation and extreme discomfort for you. After these stories and 181 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: numbers started coming out, one of the main players claimed 182 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: there have been zero allegations of sexual assault over the 183 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: previous five years, despite numerous testimonies to the contrary. At 184 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, survey found that the situation isn't much better, 185 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: with one third of women reporting witnessing or experiencing bullying 186 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: or harassment over the past two months. Nash has said, quote, 187 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: the reason why women don't want to talk is because 188 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: they've been gaslt this whole time, where everyone's saying it 189 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: didn't happen. I don't want to hear it. I don't 190 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: believe you. And to be clear, this impacts the study 191 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: of climate change. This is a huge deal for it 192 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: to just be like a men's club and let them 193 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: harass and bully with like our planet is on the line. 194 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: This one silver lining as Smiles it is Market's name 195 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: was stripped from the glacier that was once named after him. 196 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: But it's such a small silver line. 197 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 2: Oh right. I mean probably for him though, it was 198 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: humiliating because that was probably his big thing and he 199 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: was like, I was the line and then to be 200 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: stripped of that that probably the hardest pride, more than anything, 201 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 2: probably worse than jail for him. 202 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: It's true. I believe Will em Brings said he used 203 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: it as a pickup line almost. He's like, I have 204 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: a glacier named after me. 205 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 2: Oh gross, well that's taken away from him. 206 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 3: That's just the most like the fact that something basic, 207 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 3: just human decency is not even thought of in a 208 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 3: world where you know what you're. 209 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: Doing is significant like that. It's how do you grasp 210 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: that knowing that these are things to save things and 211 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: you are we're gonna have a significant impact. Maybe that's 212 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: not how God likes status, yes, and like territorial thing 213 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: that you want to discover something, so you're going to 214 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: take that however whatever means possible, and that means the 215 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: meaning those who you think is a lesser sex, which 216 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: essentially is what they're saying in these like But I just. 217 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: Why I think there's a there's a good quote. I 218 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: can't remember who said it, but it was a reporter 219 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: who did a story about Elon Musk, and he said, 220 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: Elon Musk wants to save the world only if he 221 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: can save it, yea. And I think that's like kind 222 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: of what is happening here, right. I think you're right 223 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: that he he doesn't unless it's him getting the credit 224 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: and the attention. He does not want it. 225 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: He's like, if it's not and if you don't fall 226 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: to your knees worshiping me, then you're not of worth. 227 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: It's just I didn't talk about it in here too much. 228 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: But there was also a his high school teacher. I 229 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: believe she came forward because he asked her to go, 230 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: and she went and he was horrible to her, right, 231 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: And it's so like the things I was reading sounded 232 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: like I cannot believe people do this that are not 233 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: like widely like in jail or labeled like he's a 234 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: tenured professor, right. 235 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: I mean, they've been getting away with it, and unfortunately 236 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: that the people in power have remained in power, and 237 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: people are scared to bring people of power down. 238 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: And I was thinking about it, just the idea of 239 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: being like he had the radio what are you gonna 240 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: do right that he would control your one way to 241 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: get out? That's ah, he's terrifying. 242 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: That's a horror movie. Yeah, we've seen these scenarios. 243 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: It's horrible and it makes me so sad because listeners know, 244 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: I love this stuff. I love right when we do 245 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: episodes about scientific often kind of obscure scientific things, but 246 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: so many times when we've done that, like the Shark 247 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: episode comes to mind too, women in Shark science, it's 248 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: men doing this truly horrific things and really controlling who 249 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: like gatekeeping whether or not you're going to move forward 250 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: in your career. There are some wonderful examples of people 251 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: fighting against that right and making these organizations that are 252 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: lovely and beautiful, but it's just. 253 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: So sack there has organizations to fight something that just 254 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: should be human decency. Once again, like the time that 255 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: we have to put that much energy, yes, in order 256 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: to walk them to the door. Like that's not only 257 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: do we have to be educated and trained, and then 258 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: most likely we're going to be more educated and trained 259 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 2: the most to prove our worth. Yeah, but then we 260 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: also have to have a plan to protect ourselves and 261 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: to be able to do it. Equally or equitably like 262 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: and able to do something that you love and that 263 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: is a contribution to society. 264 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: Mm hm. 265 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: But you have to use your other power with willpower 266 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: and strength and intelligence to start an organization that protects 267 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: you to just be there. 268 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: And it's so much energy, like to think about like 269 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: if I was at a job where I had to 270 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: think about how much I was going to drink and 271 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: how much I might have to peean. Right, that takes 272 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: up like brain power and energy. That's ridiculous. 273 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: And then protecting yourself can get you ostracized. 274 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely it can. Women are so often especially women, 275 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: but a lot people are so often labeled as though 276 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: you're being you're being weak, you're being emotional, you can't 277 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: handle it, you can't tough it. In his mind. 278 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 2: You're not networking, you don't play it, you're not a 279 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: team player. 280 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: Which, oh, you just want to blow like crystallized sedimented 281 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: to my eye. Wow, I can't believe I wasn't on 282 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: board with. 283 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: That writ until damage. What are you talking about? 284 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: It's just a joke, Like not that she ever would 285 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: have done it, but she had done that to him, 286 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: she would have been fired to meet. 287 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: Right immediately and it honestly is like an assault. 288 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, it infuriates me, and it really makes me 289 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: angry that she felt like she started crying when her 290 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: daughter said she wanted to be a scientist. And it 291 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: makes me angry that when I read this, I was like, 292 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: I wonder what would have happened if I had gone. 293 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: I wonder what would have happened to me? And it 294 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: was like something I wanted so desperately, And I'm like, oh, okay, 295 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: it sounds like I would not be welcome there. I 296 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: should not go. So it's infuriating listeners. If any of 297 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: you have thoughts about this, if you have been to Antarctica, 298 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: let us know. You can email us at Stephanie mom 299 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can find us on 300 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast, or on Instagram and TikTok 301 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: at stuff I Never Told You. We're also on YouTube. 302 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: We have a tea public store, and we have a 303 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: book you can get wherever you get your books. 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