WEBVTT - Feeling Things About Feeling Ugly, Con Artists, and the Episode We Had to Delete

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<v Speaker 1>All right, break it down. If you ever have feelings

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<v Speaker 1>that you just fons Amy and Cat gotcha, Cob and

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<v Speaker 1>locking no brother ladies and fels do you just follow

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<v Speaker 1>Ann the spirit where it's all the real stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>the chill stuff and the m but Swayne, sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>best thing you can do it just stop you feel things.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you Tuesday Feeling Things? Formerly? I wanted to say

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<v Speaker 3>formerly four Things with Amy Brown because someone someone might

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<v Speaker 3>be tuning in right now and they're like, which tuning in?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that totally a radio thing, like tuning into the

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<v Speaker 3>dialtive But someone might be streaming us, downloading us at

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<v Speaker 3>the moment and listening and they're like, wait, what is

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<v Speaker 3>feeling things? Because I'm just trying to listen to four

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<v Speaker 3>Things with Amy Brown. But welcome to Feeling Things, which

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<v Speaker 3>is formally four Things with Amy Brown. I'm Amy, I'm Kat,

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<v Speaker 3>and today's episode one of Feeling Things. But it's episode

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<v Speaker 3>six hundred and fifty. If we were still four things,

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<v Speaker 3>that's crazy, so we could look at it that way,

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<v Speaker 3>which I don't know how we're really going to count

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<v Speaker 3>it because it's on the same feed and we have

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere between. I thought it was twenty five million, but

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<v Speaker 3>I got an update from our PR person because she

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<v Speaker 3>was putting together a press release, and it said nearly

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<v Speaker 3>twenty seven million downloads. But if you're listening right now,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is episode one of Feeling Things, and someone's

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<v Speaker 3>actually listening, then we have one download and counting. So

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<v Speaker 3>we're just excited that you're here. And if you have time,

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<v Speaker 3>or when you have time, if you can subscribe, follow

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<v Speaker 3>leave a review. That is very helpful, especially during this transition,

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<v Speaker 3>this makeover, this rebrand, and we're going to get into

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of different things today. One thing specifically that

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<v Speaker 3>is by request by Cat, which is about con artist,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's mostly because you think I'm getting conned.

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<v Speaker 2>By your face fitness person. Right, We're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>through a checklist and see it could be true.

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<v Speaker 3>I paid money officially thirty days ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And are you getting something out of it? Well, we'll go,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get into it.

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<v Speaker 3>We get when we go we get a con artist checklist.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you kind of an email I got today

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<v Speaker 3>from them and I was like, oh, perfect timing. We're

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<v Speaker 3>also going to go over core emotions, and today will

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<v Speaker 3>be part one because Kat's the therapist here, so she

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<v Speaker 3>knows the basics. Did you learn the eight core emotions

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<v Speaker 3>in school or no?

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<v Speaker 2>Because there's not like an actual one eight feelings, eight emotions.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look on the internet, you're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>allion different answers. But there's a couple places that I've found,

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<v Speaker 2>well I use what works for me that it splits

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<v Speaker 2>them up into eight and then there's like sub sections,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're going to go through all of those.

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<v Speaker 3>So eight core emotions coming up, and it may seem

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit basic, but what's cool about our emotions?

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<v Speaker 3>Which we're going to cover the first four today and

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<v Speaker 3>then next Tuesday we'll do the other four. But feelings

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<v Speaker 3>can be a gift or they can be an impairment.

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<v Speaker 3>And so you might be like, oh, I don't need

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<v Speaker 3>to know the core feelings or I already know them.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course I've heard those before, but you may not

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<v Speaker 3>know the gift that they give you, and you may

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<v Speaker 3>not know the impairment that they give you. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>really what we're going to be going over.

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<v Speaker 2>Which that I feel like when you learn that, you're

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<v Speaker 2>more apt to actually feel the uncomfortable stuff because you

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<v Speaker 2>know that there's a gift in it, and sometimes it

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<v Speaker 2>just feels like, oh the sucks, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, and I want the gifts, like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to chase the gifts, like now that I know

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<v Speaker 3>there's gifts, like at the end of the tunnel, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be like, Okay, let's just feel this faster.

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<v Speaker 2>Like last week when you hurt me, that gave me a.

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<v Speaker 3>Gift, well, I didn't know that I felt hurt. I

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<v Speaker 3>felt hurt right, and then you were able to share

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<v Speaker 3>that with me, and hurt is one of the first

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<v Speaker 3>four that we're going to go over today. So we'll

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<v Speaker 3>share that story. And I learned something too in that

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<v Speaker 3>the faster you speak about it, the quicker it gets

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<v Speaker 3>resolved deep I mean, quote me, quote me, which obviously

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<v Speaker 3>that is exactly what happens. But so many times we

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<v Speaker 3>put things off or we don't want to bring it

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<v Speaker 3>up because we don't want to be a burden, or

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<v Speaker 3>we don't want to seem silly, or it's like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>is it us, which there was some of it going

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<v Speaker 3>on with you, and you were willing to address that

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<v Speaker 3>one on one with your therapist, which I can respect.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to make sure that it wasn't just my

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<v Speaker 2>stuff coming up before I brought it up to you,

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<v Speaker 2>but then we brought it up pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you didn't even need to bring it up to

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<v Speaker 3>me because I brought it up to Yeah, we're giving

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<v Speaker 3>away the whole story, Okay, we'll do it when we

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<v Speaker 3>get into Hurt, and I do have a little side

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<v Speaker 3>story about my daughter, Sashira. She's seventeen. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're starting to build like these segments, Like in a second,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll do the feeling of the day, so every Tuesday episode,

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<v Speaker 3>people will get a new feeling of the day that

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to focus on and talk about in today's word.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I never really thought about how that was an

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<v Speaker 3>actual feeling. I mean, i know I've used it like

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<v Speaker 3>I feel, but I'm like, wait, that's a feeling, like

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<v Speaker 3>where's the gift? So we'll go over that kind of second.

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<v Speaker 3>But as we were building out, like you know, things

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<v Speaker 3>we want to have, like in radio, we call them benchmarks,

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<v Speaker 3>so core things, when you tune in, you're gonna get it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like when Kat and I were doing the Fifth Thing,

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<v Speaker 3>the bonus episode for the Fourth Things podcast, we had

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<v Speaker 3>a quote every episode. So now on the Tuesday episodes,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna get a feeling of the day. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I was going over some of that was to share,

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<v Speaker 3>and she goes, can I have a segment on the podcast?

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, what would your segment be? And

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<v Speaker 3>she goes, oh, I can talk about all kinds of things,

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<v Speaker 3>but I really like to discuss about that time that

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<v Speaker 3>you thought you knew.

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<v Speaker 2>That guy and you.

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<v Speaker 3>Were hanging out with that guy all the time, and

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<v Speaker 3>I knew all along, Like I knew right away this

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<v Speaker 3>is something's off, something's off, and how mom's gonna fall

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<v Speaker 3>for anything.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, just to share it, that'd

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<v Speaker 2>be a good segment.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I said, well, lucky for her, you're going over

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<v Speaker 3>a con artist checklist. This will apply to anything, whether

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<v Speaker 3>it's you know something you've signed up for, dating, a

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<v Speaker 3>work relationship. You can spot the con artists with the list.

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<v Speaker 3>But she really was easy. She knew to come on

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<v Speaker 3>and make a segment. Oh, she knew, and we talked

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<v Speaker 3>about it whenever I was severing that relationship, which is

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<v Speaker 3>a little backstory on that and I am not going

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<v Speaker 3>to get into the whole thing because I had to

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<v Speaker 3>shut it down and like to share that's not going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a segment. But I was spending time with

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<v Speaker 3>this one particular person and it turned out not to

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<v Speaker 3>be a healthy situation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 3>And she was sixteen at the time, and she knew it,

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<v Speaker 3>like she knew right away. She was, Oh, mom, I

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<v Speaker 3>kinda told you that from why didn't the beginning?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, she's she's an adult, she can make an

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<v Speaker 2>own decision.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, I'm good at sniffing people out and figuring

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<v Speaker 3>out those details. So she wanted to come on and

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<v Speaker 3>share her thoughts about that. However, out of respect for

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<v Speaker 3>other people involved, Like, I don't think it'd be fair

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<v Speaker 3>for me to tell that entire story. Yeah, maybe I'll

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<v Speaker 3>feel differently in like a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's too close right now. And it's also one

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<v Speaker 2>of those things that the further away from it, the

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<v Speaker 2>funnier it gets, you know. Yes, Oh wait another year,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'll be even more funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about that the other day. It's like, God,

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<v Speaker 3>how quickly our lives turn, because now I'm in a

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<v Speaker 3>completely different type of relationship, completely different type of person,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like he's employed, it's a car stuff like that. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>feeling of the day, you ready for it? I'm ready. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't have any like fun. The feeling of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a little extra song. Here is the feeling of

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<v Speaker 2>the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, cat cat nailed it. Which, by the way, when

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<v Speaker 3>I get into the feeling of the day, which is ugly,

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<v Speaker 3>ugly is the feeling of the day. But Cat got

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<v Speaker 3>to my house and I was running a little behind

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<v Speaker 3>getting ready because I am drawing on my eyebrows right

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<v Speaker 3>now because I had them lasered off and now they're red.

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<v Speaker 3>The undertone is red like they're burnt off, like I

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<v Speaker 3>have a little bit of hair. But then underneath where

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<v Speaker 3>the microbladed, it's like a tattoo was lasered off and

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<v Speaker 3>the red part is left. So the red part is

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<v Speaker 3>going to get removed in like seven weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>But it oh be red for seven weeks. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's red well right now. Doesn't look bad because.

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<v Speaker 3>I put a layer of foundation over my brows and

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<v Speaker 3>then I put powder, and then I put a little

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<v Speaker 3>bronzer or something to give it a little sign of

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<v Speaker 3>color because my foundation's a little pale. Probably need to

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<v Speaker 3>upgrade that. And then I drew on my new brows. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I drew them on the first time and they were

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<v Speaker 3>a little wonky, So then what do you do? I

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<v Speaker 3>have to start over.

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<v Speaker 2>So did you watch a tutorial.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it took me a minute to figure out this concoction.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I just kind of thought, well, I'm gonna draw

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<v Speaker 3>over the red and then I realized if I wipe

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<v Speaker 3>them out basically, and then I give myself more of

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<v Speaker 3>a blank canvas.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what a lot of people that I see

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<v Speaker 2>on TikTok, that's what they do. And they have eyebrows,

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<v Speaker 2>but they put foundation completely over them and make it

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<v Speaker 2>look like they are bald, and then they start anew

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<v Speaker 2>and they make their eyebrows look how they want ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of the Well, some people just do this anyway, so

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you're just on the makeup trends. Also, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you need to shout out the lift and snatch because

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<v Speaker 2>you're still using it and I cannot I can't describe

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<v Speaker 2>how real they look. My strokes, Your strokes, Your strokes

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<v Speaker 2>are good. Yeah, it's a The brand is in y

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<v Speaker 2>X Nicks. Is it called Nicks or in my ex

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. I don't know because I think

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<v Speaker 2>I always read that as NYC in my head.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well it's even though it's an x Nicks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and lift and snatch is the brow like a pin

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<v Speaker 3>and it creates these lifelike strokes. But you got to

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<v Speaker 3>have a steady hand because so when I first started,

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<v Speaker 3>I was a little nervous, shaky, But now I've gotten

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<v Speaker 3>to where I'm like, yeah, you know, so, yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>I have maybe there's a future for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And is that why the feeling of the day ugly? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, we have our emotional barometer box and

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<v Speaker 3>I was just flipping through some of them. When I

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<v Speaker 3>came across ugly. I resonated and I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to do this. So I dedicate this feeling

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<v Speaker 3>of the day to my brows. Feeling ugly isn't about looks.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about how we see ourselves when we're down. Our

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<v Speaker 3>mood distorts our reflection, making us focus on flaws that

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<v Speaker 3>aren't really there. Even the most beautiful people feel this

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<v Speaker 3>way when that happens. We don't need a makeover. We

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<v Speaker 3>need kindness, love and perspective. And if we can't find

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<v Speaker 3>that in ourselves, we can borrow it from someone who

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<v Speaker 3>sees us clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you picked this. I think I've never

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<v Speaker 2>seen these cards, so I never have read that and

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<v Speaker 2>have looked at ugly as an actual emotion. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do talk about, because I specialize in body image and

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<v Speaker 2>eating disorders, is that when people see themselves in a mirror,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't see what they look like, they see how

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<v Speaker 2>they're feeling. So I love this, And a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>times when we look in the mirror, we were like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to lose weight, or I need to dye

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<v Speaker 2>my hair, or I need a new wardrobe, when really

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<v Speaker 2>it's what you're saying, it's I need to go do

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<v Speaker 2>something nice for myself, and if I come back in

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<v Speaker 2>like an hour, I might see something different. Yeah, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Try the dopamine dressing, Like, Yeah, instead of trying to

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<v Speaker 3>force some outfit to make yourself fit into, like a

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<v Speaker 3>trend or whatever's happening, or a color you thought you

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to wear, Like, go to your closet and get

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<v Speaker 3>a go to outfit that you know you feel good

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<v Speaker 3>in and put that on and then go in the

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<v Speaker 3>mirror and do what do they call it? The the

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<v Speaker 3>super woman pose? You're talking about where you stand in

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<v Speaker 3>the mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>What is that called power?

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<v Speaker 3>Post power post superwoman power?

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<v Speaker 2>I like superwoman better power.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes I when I'm doing my meditation.

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<v Speaker 2>Sums up yourself. You know how some people.

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<v Speaker 3>Sit well, and a lot of times I do. But

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<v Speaker 3>I sit calmly with my palms up if I'm wanting

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<v Speaker 3>to receive, and palms down if I'm wanting to feel grounded.

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<v Speaker 3>And then other times I just stick my thumb straight

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<v Speaker 3>in the air with my eyes closed. But I put

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<v Speaker 3>my arms out really straight, and I'm trying to channel

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<v Speaker 3>my thumbs out into the It's like a little antenna.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were trying to like give yourself a

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<v Speaker 2>thumbs up.

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<v Speaker 3>No, oh, I don't try to receive the where I

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<v Speaker 3>got the waves, But sometimes I do. I do it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that that's my body saying like I

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<v Speaker 3>need it, like I don't have it in me today,

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<v Speaker 3>so like Lord, give it to me, Lord give it

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<v Speaker 3>to me, you know, fill me up, give me the energy.

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<v Speaker 3>And I picture it going like I have a visualization

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<v Speaker 3>of it going like through my thumb all the way

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<v Speaker 3>down my arm into my body.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of did you learn that or you just.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know where I learned it. I certainly didn't come.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know if it was over time

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<v Speaker 3>in different meditations that I've done, if maybe you're random

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<v Speaker 3>one on YouTube someone's like, now stick your thumbs in

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<v Speaker 3>the air and.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, okay, I'll do anything.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I definitely didn't call it an antenna or

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<v Speaker 3>who knows. It could have been a yoga class at

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<v Speaker 3>one point. Which part of this podcast flipping over from

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<v Speaker 3>Four Things to Feeling Things is just the evolution of

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<v Speaker 3>where we are and the direction my life is going.

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<v Speaker 3>Meeting you, having you as now a full time host

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<v Speaker 3>with me, and kind of what we want to share

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<v Speaker 3>with others and come alongside people in their journey of

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<v Speaker 3>growing and therapy and whatnot. And Kat had a podcast

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<v Speaker 3>called You Need Therapy, and she has set that aside

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<v Speaker 3>and now here with us. So this is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be like a mixture of what we were doing on

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<v Speaker 3>Four Things and You Need Therapy and you'll see it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the plan now, but we may continue to evolve.

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<v Speaker 3>But speaking of evolution, I was thinking back when I

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<v Speaker 3>first started doing yoga, way way way, way way back

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<v Speaker 3>in the day in Austin. I went too this one

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<v Speaker 3>class where they had gongs and they were laying there

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<v Speaker 3>and then they served this little tea afterwards, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't get the heck out of there fast enough.

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<v Speaker 3>But that was your first experience, yeah, because it was

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<v Speaker 3>this yoga studio sort of close to my mom's house.

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<v Speaker 3>So I decided to go, and I was terrified, like

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<v Speaker 3>I thought they had a gong. I remember even going

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<v Speaker 3>on the Bobby buoncher the next day and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know where I went, guys, but it was crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>like we were laying down and then we kind of

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<v Speaker 3>doing and unison. Yeah, we did a flow practice, but

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<v Speaker 3>then between the gong and the kool aid at the end,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't go right. But that's what it felt to me.

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<v Speaker 3>And now I'd be like, sign me up, Like where

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<v Speaker 3>is this classic?

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody uses gongs anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I want to breathe in unison? Yeah, are

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<v Speaker 3>we gonna chant?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it probably felt very different. So You're like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is weird. I gotta get out. And now you've You've

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<v Speaker 2>embraced so many different things.

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<v Speaker 3>So now I've evolved to where I stick my thumbs

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<v Speaker 3>in the air and channel the energy. I've also evolved

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<v Speaker 3>to where I'm doing face fitness in lua botox.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the last time I got injected was six

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<v Speaker 3>six months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, six months sober.

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<v Speaker 3>Six months clean from botox. I may go back to it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not antiet at all, Like if somebody wants to

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<v Speaker 3>get it, but for me, I wanted to know my

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<v Speaker 3>new baseline. And so for the last three months, so

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<v Speaker 3>January February March, I'm doing face fitness. The first two

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<v Speaker 3>months I was doing free things on YouTube. The month

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<v Speaker 3>of March I was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>A paid course. You dove right in.

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<v Speaker 3>And Kat thinks that I'm being conned.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So we're going to go over a list of

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<v Speaker 2>things that might indicate that you're being conned by somebody,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're going to keep your tally and based

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<v Speaker 2>on your score, we're gonna vote. I'm gonna vote if

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<v Speaker 2>you're my scam score, your scam score, we'll see if

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<v Speaker 2>you got conned or not. But before we do that,

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to say I don't know if I've

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<v Speaker 2>said this before, but you doing the no botox is

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal. I feel like because you've and I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I'll pat myself on the back too because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. Too, But I have been getting botox for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years, and you get used to your

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<v Speaker 2>face looking a certain way, and so stopping doing that

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<v Speaker 2>it is like you have to get used to that again.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's a big deal that you're attempting this.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if you go back to it, it's just, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make sure that this is something I

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<v Speaker 2>still want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do, which I'll touch on the fact that the reason

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<v Speaker 3>why I decided to get my brows lasered off, my

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<v Speaker 3>micro bladed brows is because I stopped the botox and

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<v Speaker 3>my forehead changed. So you happen to be listening for

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<v Speaker 3>the first day. I've talked about this in previous episodes,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'll just give you that tiny bit of information

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<v Speaker 3>because you might be like, why would you get your

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<v Speaker 3>brows micro bladed and then have them lasered off. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody tells you. Nobody tells you when you go get

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<v Speaker 3>a microbladed with botox that then when your forehead starts

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<v Speaker 3>to shift because it's not frozen anymore, your brows can

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<v Speaker 3>be wonky. And so that was happening to me. So

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I need a fresh start.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you for spreading awareness. To that because people

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<v Speaker 2>might be like, oh, I'm going to stop this too,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they're like oh no now.

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<v Speaker 3>But it may not. Everybody's foreheads different.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't depending on where your wrinkles are, because I

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<v Speaker 2>mine didn't move because I my it was my eleven

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't as as now pronounced.

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<v Speaker 3>I can give you an exercise for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, did you get that from your front?

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<v Speaker 3>So you take this hook and then you press like

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<v Speaker 3>but you build it real good and you can even

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<v Speaker 3>do a vibrating sensation and then you go all.

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<v Speaker 2>The way up.

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<v Speaker 3>But you've got to really get deep into the muscle,

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<v Speaker 3>deep into.

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<v Speaker 2>The So before we go into this list, can you

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<v Speaker 2>tell me where you found this person? Did she have

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<v Speaker 2>like a credential or TikTok? Got it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I think she has uh sort of training in anatomy,

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<v Speaker 3>in kinesiology. I don't know where she received her letters,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, like she has a certificate.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, Okay, I haven't seen it. Okay, before we

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<v Speaker 2>get into this, let's between a certificate and a degree.

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<v Speaker 3>But she also has one of these cute little skeletons

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<v Speaker 3>and she knows all.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the the bone, like she'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Be like your muscle and I'm like, oh. And then

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<v Speaker 3>my friend Claire was telling her the other day. I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, you want to massage this? And then Claire

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<v Speaker 3>said that. She goes, oh, the Claire is a I

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<v Speaker 3>know she has degrees. But what I'm saying is Claire

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<v Speaker 3>said it, and it's the exact thing. She confirmed it,

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<v Speaker 3>which I don't know what. The reason why I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know exactly how to say it is because she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Foreign, so you can say in the foreign language Claire.

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<v Speaker 3>Claire said it and it sounded similar, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>that's it. So yeah, she has an accent and her

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<v Speaker 3>English isn't great, so sometimes she's like, you know what's

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<v Speaker 3>this called? She's like, oh, your teeth or or you

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<v Speaker 3>know what's that You need to get a pull your

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<v Speaker 3>hair back with a hairband, stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's in English. Yes, okay, yes, okay, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Because when I was doing some free YouTube, I was

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<v Speaker 3>having to read the subtitle trends to know what to do,

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<v Speaker 3>which was a lot of work because I was like

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<v Speaker 3>trying to like massage my face and read. I just

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<v Speaker 3>want to be told. So she has who knows, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>she has a million something on TikTok, she has over

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<v Speaker 3>a million on Instagram, she's on YouTube with millions of views,

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<v Speaker 3>and then she has a course. Okay, so the course

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<v Speaker 3>is what I signed up for, so con artists checklist.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go through it. And I have a affinity for

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<v Speaker 2>this type of stuff. As you know, I'm very skeptical

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<v Speaker 2>of everybody of everybody. But I learned that the hard

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<v Speaker 2>way though, because I wanted to trust everybody, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I got really into things and I'm like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>they're lying. And I will say I got a certificate

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<v Speaker 2>for something back in the day, and as I'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>the certificate, I was like, I could do this with

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<v Speaker 2>my eyes closed. So I kind of learned that you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be aware of what certificate somebody has, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't learn anything in that course, and I

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<v Speaker 2>could have been doing all kinds of things. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>AnyWho, Yeah, I'll trust just about anybody. So which is

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not better that You're not worse, it's just different.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I mean I feel like you're probably missing out

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<v Speaker 3>on a lot, which is back to Stashira's segment idea

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<v Speaker 3>that she wanted where she's like mama fall for anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably a lot. Okay, Well, let's go through. This is

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<v Speaker 2>just a little checklist of things that might signify that

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<v Speaker 2>somebody is conning you or manipulating you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to read them, and you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me yes or notice is fit? And so like,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe why I'm going to read them and you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to tell me yes or notice is fit? Okay, And

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<v Speaker 2>so like maybe why does it seem too good to

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<v Speaker 2>be true? Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Because well, I mean, now that I think about it,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think that I'm like, wow, you can really

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<v Speaker 3>achieve these results by just massaging your face every day?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I guess at the end of the day, it

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<v Speaker 3>does seem too good to be true.

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<v Speaker 2>Like she's over promising, but it still could be possible. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not crazy. It's not like we'll make you

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<v Speaker 2>look like you're seven. It's like we can make you

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<v Speaker 2>look like you have botox by just these three simple Right.

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<v Speaker 3>This is where I struggle because I have my I

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<v Speaker 3>want to give this a go, and I'm trying anything

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<v Speaker 3>brain and like, I think it's possible, but also could

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<v Speaker 3>it be too good to be true?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm just answering, honestly, okay, like at the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the day, yes, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they promising guaranteed results with no risk?

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<v Speaker 3>No, they're not promising guaranteed results. Everybody's a different starting stage,

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<v Speaker 3>is she said, in different ages?

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<v Speaker 2>And okay? Do they make you feel like you're broken

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<v Speaker 2>or incomplete without using their thing that they're selling on

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<v Speaker 2>the method? No? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Am I not getting called? So far?

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<v Speaker 2>You're doing pretty good. Is there a sense of urgent

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<v Speaker 2>see or pressure to buy now or you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>miss out on something? Yes? Okay, what's that? Yes? She

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<v Speaker 2>said that it was sold out and you were got

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<v Speaker 2>on a wait list and then all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>you're in the file.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I got an email and it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>a spot opened up. It's all virtual, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why it would fill up, you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait?

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<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, it's true, I know. But you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>she good sales tectic.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe she is.

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<v Speaker 3>Making sure that her inbox doesn't get overloaded with questions

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<v Speaker 3>from her current students.

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<v Speaker 2>That probably is what it was. Yeah, that could be it.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, there was definitely an urgency like get it now,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the price slash.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you buy it before the price slashed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but when you go no, no, no, sorry, I

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<v Speaker 3>bought it with.

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<v Speaker 2>The price slash, but it's like it was ever that

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<v Speaker 2>much money? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I don't know, I because I never saw

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<v Speaker 3>that page. But once I had access to the page

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<v Speaker 3>because she had to send you a special link because

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<v Speaker 3>now I'm special. So then I clicked on the link

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<v Speaker 3>and it's said, you know, like nine hundred dollars, and

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<v Speaker 3>then it had a big line through it and it

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<v Speaker 3>was like, now only one hundred and ninety nine dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>What a deal?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I just saved seven hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, I was on a wait list. I made it

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<v Speaker 3>in and now I got the special link and the

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<v Speaker 3>special links the price is slashed. So yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That reminds me of infomercials growing up, when they're like

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<v Speaker 2>call the next five minutes and you can get this

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<v Speaker 2>for like four ninety nine, and then you go to

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<v Speaker 2>the grocery store and they're selling that same thing for

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<v Speaker 2>that same price. It's like just to get you to

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<v Speaker 2>buy it right then, smart business.

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<v Speaker 3>Whenever I think of an infomercial, did you ever see

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<v Speaker 3>that one way back in the day with that guy

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<v Speaker 3>that had the nut chopper, and then he would be

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<v Speaker 3>chopping the nuts and be late at night. My mom

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't know what we'd be watching late at night,

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 3>but he would always come on and it'd be like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>my mom loved to buy stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is your mom.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he'd be like, you're gonna love my nuts

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:03.680
<v Speaker 3>and even be chopping it.

0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:07.480
<v Speaker 2>And this is also a perfect example of how you

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<v Speaker 2>learn things from your environment, and so you are a

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<v Speaker 2>product of your environment. Right now, we don't have infomercials.

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<v Speaker 2>We have TikTok scammers. Okay, do they call themselves things

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<v Speaker 2>like face healer or ageous oracle or just do they

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<v Speaker 2>call themselves any kind of like self proclaimed guru.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but she definitely says that other methods, like if

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<v Speaker 3>you're doing it this way, you're doing it wrong. But

0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 3>then I've seen other people say this is how I

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<v Speaker 3>do it. So, but she doesn't have like a special

0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:43.320
<v Speaker 3>guru name. But does she have like what are her

0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:45.720
<v Speaker 3>like credentials? I don't know. Okay, I just know what's

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:48.359
<v Speaker 3>in her Instagram bio and I don't know that that's even.

0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, so this is this goes to those I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if she's real.

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:53.359
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, sometimes I'm like, is this AAI?

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:56.919
<v Speaker 2>I think what gets a lot of people now is

0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:00.359
<v Speaker 2>anybody can call themselves any kind of like hell balistic

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 2>coach or this type of heal or this whatever, and

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:07.399
<v Speaker 2>it sounds really fancy, but it's also something they just

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:10.200
<v Speaker 2>made up, Like I could you could call yourself anything.

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I could call myself anything and it could sound really good,

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<v Speaker 2>versus somebody who's really doing that's probably just like an esthetician,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, Okay. Are they constantly posting testimonials that

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<v Speaker 2>sound a little too dramatic?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean some of the results are pretty dramatic.

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<v Speaker 3>So I feel like they either they cherry pick like

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<v Speaker 3>this was a good success story someone to highlight this,

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 3>or it's being photoshopped or something maybe I don't know, yeah.

0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Or it's AI the whole thing.

0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, no other people have joined because I see them.

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 3>I think I have a.

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Whole group of friends in my face fitness Facebook grouping. Okay.

0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Are they avoiding transparency about what actually is involved?

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 3>No, like you have to, They're pretty transparent. However, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how they have the time and the day,

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<v Speaker 3>like what I has been required of me the last

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<v Speaker 3>thirty days. We don't have this time.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I was just seven, like seven minutes a day.

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<v Speaker 3>No, the lesson is thirty minutes ish, she said. She

0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:20.639
<v Speaker 3>tries to keep the lessons at twenty, but they always

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<v Speaker 3>go over. So let's just call it what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>They're thirty then, but before you start the thirty minute

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<v Speaker 3>you have to do a two minute lymphatic drainage exercise

0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 3>which opens up your limbs. And so that's two minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>So now we're at thirty two. Then if you want

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<v Speaker 3>good results, she highly recommends the bonus exercises after that.

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 3>And so I'm like, this is every day. I used

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<v Speaker 3>to do this on top of you know, go on

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:48.880
<v Speaker 3>a walk in the forest with the trees.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that part of it now?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, that's just another thing that I like to do

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:56.400
<v Speaker 3>because I want to be with nature and I want

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<v Speaker 3>to have that hit of dope.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you do your drainage while you're on your walk?

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you want to do your drainage right before

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 3>you do your face fitness?

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:09.679
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Do they discourage you from doing other things that

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<v Speaker 2>could help?

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't caught on to that yet. If she has,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't think she said, like, don't do

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 3>now she says, like, if you want to do washer,

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<v Speaker 3>if you want to put the oil on, she goes,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't think you need any of that. But

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people are like, oh, I love the

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<v Speaker 3>oil and the quasha. But she she's like, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>time and a place for.

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<v Speaker 2>That, okay. And then are they trying to become like

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:35.480
<v Speaker 2>your go to person like for that? So it could

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:37.720
<v Speaker 2>be like your friend, it could be like your like

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<v Speaker 2>mentor your are they trying to become something?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess sometimes when she says stuff like

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:46.679
<v Speaker 3>that of like, okay, if you want to do that,

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 3>but you know, like that's not good. You need to

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 3>do what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 2>So and then I also want to add, this is online,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you wanted to like meet this person in person.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know where. I don't even know where in

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 3>the world she is, Like where, like, yeah, where in

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 3>the world does she reside? I think I saw something

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 3>the other day on TikTok about Miami. But then you know,

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 3>TikTok's weird, Like I couldn't figure out that video because

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't even think it was herd that posted it.

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, people repost other people's things, so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so your test is done and I'm going to

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 2>be honest. You might not be getting scammed.

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<v Speaker 3>WHOA, okay, Okay, well then I'm just getting scammed on

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.959
<v Speaker 3>time because I just completed the thirty days and we

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 3>get an email this morning like congratulations, you completed the

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 3>thirty days, and now for the next thirty days.

0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 2>She wants you to sign up for someone else.

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 3>No, this is included. Oh, this is included a gift

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 3>from her.

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<v Speaker 2>She's giving you a gift.

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<v Speaker 3>The gift is for the next thirty days. Repeat it

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<v Speaker 3>the entire thing from day one to day three, because

0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 3>now your hands are stronger, you know the techniques, so

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 3>you can do it better. And I'm like, wait a second, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>I have to do it again.

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, you're gonna have to do it for the rest

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 2>of it.

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 3>There's my certificate. I just don't in my thirty days

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<v Speaker 3>like I want to.

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<v Speaker 2>You should be going to teach it now.

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but she said, we won't graduate until we do

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<v Speaker 3>it again. Oh and then maybe our body will be ready.

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 3>And what I have learned. Let me tell you, kat

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 3>Let me let me tell you a lot of our

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 3>wrinkles and what we're dealing with or sagging things in

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 3>the front part of our skull, which would be our face.

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 3>That's what we see, right. We have the part we

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 3>don't see, which is the back of our school where

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 3>our school meets our neck, the top of our our neck,

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 3>our shoulders. We spend more time massaging our trapezes, our

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 3>skylt like all these things that you don't see. We

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 3>spend so much time. And that's why she said, your

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 3>hands are stronger because some of the massages you really

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 3>have to get in there, and like your biceps tired,

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 3>and like your arms are up. We do all these,

0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 3>like other things in these stretches, and sometimes a thirty

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 3>minute workout we won't even have touched our face. And

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 3>then I feel like that's a waste, but she says

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 3>it's not, because everything is playing a part and we

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 3>can see that. It's when we're relaxed back here, this

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 3>falls into place. When we're tight here, this SAgs.

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 2>I could see that.

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 3>So I'm not getting scamped.

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Well you're not.

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 3>You're on board.

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 2>I could be.

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<v Speaker 3>I will send you the thirty days for just.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred dollars.

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 3>I'll give you a deal.

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Ninety nine, I get a special link. Yes. Yes. I

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 2>also think that you kind of reverse your answer on

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 2>some of these things, like you said it she hasn't promised.

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Does it seem too good to be true? And then

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>you said that she is making you do a double

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.320
<v Speaker 2>thirty days. Yeah, like she's making it seem like it's

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 2>something that's not she wants it probably to be like oh, by.

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 3>This, I'm just saying the results sometimes seem too good

0:30:57.840 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 3>to be true, like we're not looking at other people's results,

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 3>like is this for real?

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 3>And then yeah, you could be true, like we know

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 3>at the time, like, dude, what it is you're could

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 3>be true? Nobody has time for this.

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 2>But also this is I think a key that I

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know if this is happening or not. When you

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 2>are getting scammed, there's usually always like what's next, Like

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 2>she's making you do this thing again, but it doesn't

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 2>sound like she's charging any more money.

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 3>No, it's a gift, okay, but I feel like that means.

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Here's a free gift, So then you'll buy this other.

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Thing thirty days from now. It'll be like, remember that

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 3>free gift I gave you?

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 2>You owe me? Yeah, And then you're gonna feel guilty.

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 2>So that's one thing I would have people look out for.

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 2>If there is always something else and it keeps going

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 2>and you have you need them. If somebody's not a scammer,

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna teach you the thing and then they're gonna

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 2>let you go be free on your own versus like

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>I need you to stay with me and stay in

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 2>my tribe CULTI vibes.

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 3>You know, if I pack my bags and move to

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 3>wherever in the world.

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 2>The next step is in person, and I have to

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 2>go meet her this plane ticket to I don't know where.

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 2>You just show up.

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, I will say my shoulders are more relaxed

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 3>and my posta is a little bit better, I feel like.

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 3>But I will say this checklist is good for anybody

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 3>that's you know, when you're following certain people on Instagram.

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 3>It could be just influencers that you follow and they're

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 3>talking about a particular product, and now there's there's I mean,

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 3>the spectrum is it's all over the place, but there

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 3>is one particular girl I started to follow a couple

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 3>of months ago, and I may unfollow because I've started

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 3>to realize I get hooked every single time, because I

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 3>think she's really good about that too good to be

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 3>true hook, and she gets me and like one thing,

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.960
<v Speaker 3>she's into face fitness, and well, I guess probably a

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 3>lot of people that pop up in my account now

0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:49.240
<v Speaker 3>are face fitness because the algorithm, that's all it feeds me.

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 3>So I won't even pin this directly on her, but

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 3>so many people are like, I canceled my plastic surgery appointment,

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 3>which who knows what her plastic surgery appointment was. Was

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 3>it for botox? Because you can get botox at the

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 3>plastic surgeon's office. So I don't know if she's claiming

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 3>she's about to go get a facelift or something, but

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 3>she said that was her hook. It's like, oh, someone

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 3>canceled an appointment because of this. I'm going to pause

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 3>and watch, and then you know, she does like a

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 3>little temple massage here and like a nasal limn and

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 3>then it's like, oh, that's all you do every day

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 3>for three minutes, and you were able to cancel your

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 3>your appointment at the doctor for whatever it is you

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 3>wanted to change. But that's an example of one thing

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 3>that I've seen. And then they're good at in anything

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.720
<v Speaker 3>they're trying to pitch, whether it's that you learn a

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 3>product or whatever, and some people just that's their gifts,

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 3>like they are really really good at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and you just have to be aware. And

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a different if it is taking resources

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 2>away from you that you actually don't have, that's one thing,

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Like this is kind of harmless. I mean besides the time, right,

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 2>but if you like had to sell your house because

0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 2>you had to afford this face fitness score, of course, right,

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 2>that you're being scammed and also you need some we

0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 2>need help you in other ways.

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well I think you concluded I'm currently not getting

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 3>scammed at the moment, so yeah, we can high five

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 3>on that and then move on to core emotions and

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:16.879
<v Speaker 3>speak Core Emotions Part one. Yeah, that's a ang.

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 2>I love talking about feelings first of all, so I

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:22.359
<v Speaker 2>could do this all day long, but I wanted to start.

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I think we both wanted to start with feelings because

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 2>we're going to be obviously it's feelings things. We're going

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 2>to be talking about them all the time and relating

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:34.800
<v Speaker 2>things back and learning how to identify my own feelings

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 2>and learning how to like sit in my own feelings

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 2>has transformed I think my relationships in my life in general,

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:46.759
<v Speaker 2>because we're getting these gifts. So I like to describe

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 2>feelings as guides or tools. So they're not good or bad.

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 2>They're not right or wrong. If once you see this list,

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna look at it and you're gonna say, Catherine,

0:34:56.960 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 2>there's only one good one. They're all the same, They're all.

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 3>They are not good or bad. Yeah, they all have

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 3>an offering.

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 2>They all have an offering, and they all have an

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:08.320
<v Speaker 2>impairment if you choose not to feel them. And the

0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 2>visual I like to give people is feelings are very

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 2>similar to the lights on the dashboard of your car.

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 2>So if you're driving down the road, and this resonates

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:23.640
<v Speaker 2>with me a lot because I get so frustrated and

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 2>I feel so inconvenienced when a light pops up. So

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm driving down the road and maybe a check engine

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:33.280
<v Speaker 2>or my my change your oil light or something pops

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 2>up on my car. All that is doing is saying, hey,

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 2>there's something that you need to go look at or

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:43.760
<v Speaker 2>check or pay attention to. So it's a tool, right,

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 2>that is, it's a guide that's leading you to what

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 2>your car needs. Yes, if you have to change my oil.

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Probably inconvenient. I might it might like I don't know,

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:56.760
<v Speaker 2>if I'm on a road trip, set me back an hour. However,

0:35:56.920 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 2>if I don't get that oil changed and my oil

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 2>is gone, but con guess what, my car is going

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 2>to blow up and I'm not going to ever get

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 2>to where I'm going, which I have had my car

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 2>stop in the middle of the road one time because

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I had no oil and it was so inconvenient, and

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 2>it led me from I was in a rush and

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to get to my full day of work

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to be late for my clients. And

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 2>then because I didn't just get my oil change when

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.279
<v Speaker 2>I should have, I actually missed that whole day of work.

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.319
<v Speaker 2>So you're going to be forced to pay attention to

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:31.799
<v Speaker 2>it one way or another. Feelings are the same way,

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>So you have a feeling it's just signaling, Hey, there's

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>something that you need to pay attention to, that you

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 2>want to look at, that you just want to care for.

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Could be inconvenient, but also if you pay attention to it,

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 2>you might get something that you're missing or needing.

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:48.799
<v Speaker 3>I think one thing to keep in mind too, is

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 3>people that grew up in a really dysfunctional environment. They

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:56.440
<v Speaker 3>learned not to feel, and so there's a lot of

0:36:56.520 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 3>us walking around not me. I just mean humans that

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:04.319
<v Speaker 3>don't even know how to feel. And I guess I

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 3>say not me because I don't like to put my

0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 3>home as like dysfunctional. But everybody had their own dysfunction,

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 3>and I do think that my parents were emotionally unavailable.

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Dysfunctional doesn't always mean like right, like creative and bad.

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 2>It's really honestly, we're all paying attention. There's dysfunction in

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:25.760
<v Speaker 2>every system, right.

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:27.239
<v Speaker 3>And that's why I had to rewind and sort of

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 3>stop myself because I'm like a lot of us walking

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:30.880
<v Speaker 3>around because dysfunction.

0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, not me.

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 3>But then I was like, shoot, I don't want to

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 3>discount that. Yeah, there was some dysfunction in my home,

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 3>and I, as a parent, have created some dysfunction for

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:42.239
<v Speaker 3>my kids. And it doesn't mean that you're a bad

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 3>parent or my parents were bad. Now, some people grew

0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 3>up in environment where, yeah, you'd probably classify their their

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 3>upbringing as like, oh that was really rough. I had

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 3>loving parents. They loved the best that they could, but

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:58.839
<v Speaker 3>they also were very shut down themselves. So that's something

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to undo generational trauma, Like whatever they had

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 3>from their parents, they were just doing the best that

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 3>they could. And I'm trying to offer my kids all

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 3>the space to feel and we want to feel all

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:12.399
<v Speaker 3>the things and ask all the questions and dive in.

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:17.320
<v Speaker 3>And I'm excited about doing this for people that maybe

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 3>are like me in their forties where they're trying to

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 3>figure some stuff out that they didn't have access to

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 3>early on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it is important to note that when

0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:45.759
<v Speaker 2>we are in our dysfunction, most of the time, it's

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.799
<v Speaker 2>coming from a good place. I'm doing what I know,

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing what i'm taught to, doing what I think

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 2>is right, and specifically with feelings, because a lot of

0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:59.839
<v Speaker 2>them are uncomfortable to feel. Steering somebody away from them

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:04.560
<v Speaker 2>probably feels like sometimes the right thing to do. And

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 2>then another thing to note is that because feelings signify

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 2>a need, that's why a lot of us shut them

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 2>down because I don't want to have to need something,

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Because sometimes we're taught that we don't need to be

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 2>needy or we don't need to draw attention to ourselves,

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 2>especially women, so we shut those down and we're like, oh,

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:25.359
<v Speaker 2>that's I'm okay, I'm fine, when really that's gonna come

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:29.720
<v Speaker 2>out a different way. These feelings are also like energy,

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 2>So if I'm going to shut it down, I have

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.719
<v Speaker 2>to put that energy somewhere in my body, and to

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.719
<v Speaker 2>do that, I'm gonna have to displace something else. So

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:41.399
<v Speaker 2>something's gonna come out, and then that energy is still

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:44.319
<v Speaker 2>down there, and eventually you're gonna have to get that

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 2>out because you're gonna have something else to put there.

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 3>But it's gonna be way more of an inconvenience, sort

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 3>of like when, yeah, you break down on the side

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 3>of the road, if you addressed it early on.

0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, And I say all this too. I am

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 2>a therapist who goes to therapy myself, and I'm not

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 2>perfect at this stuff. So when I talk about this

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 2>stuff or teach it, it's also reminders for me and

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:11.359
<v Speaker 2>anybody who's listening. I would just want you to give

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:14.319
<v Speaker 2>yourself a lot of grace because, as you'll hear in

0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 2>some of the stories we tell, I still get stuck

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 2>in this stuff as well because of just the way

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 2>our world is.

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Okay, we'll especially get into that when we talk

0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:24.040
<v Speaker 3>about hurt.

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:24.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we're.

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.320
<v Speaker 3>Gonna start with feeling one, which is lonely.

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I do want to shout out these little

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.840
<v Speaker 2>worksheets that we made. So we made our own feeling

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:36.399
<v Speaker 2>wheel that specifically talks about these eight emotions. And these

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 2>feelings are not the like I said in the beginning,

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 2>the right feelings. They're just the ones that I use.

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 2>And you look like here.

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:50.240
<v Speaker 3>We are exhibit A. But these are something that people

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:53.240
<v Speaker 3>can have access to for a limited time.

0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 2>If you sign up in the next thirty seconds.

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 3>There's a weight list to get these and we'll send

0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 3>you a special link and then you can download them.

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Give us your bank account number.

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:12.799
<v Speaker 3>No, no, really, we should do a little thing. I mean,

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:14.200
<v Speaker 3>we're not going to, but what if we did a

0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:16.920
<v Speaker 3>thing where it's like, this was five hundred dollars and

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 3>we put a red line through. We're like zero, Now

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 3>it's zero dollars. All you have to do is sign

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:22.600
<v Speaker 3>up for a newsletter.

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.040
<v Speaker 2>We really should do that. I feel like that'd be funny.

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 3>I feel like an inside joke. If people even made

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 3>it to this point in the.

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Podcast, they're like, what, who would buy that for five

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars? Like literally no, right?

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 3>So, but really. If you sign up for our newsletter,

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:45.120
<v Speaker 3>you will get the Feelings wheel, the Gifts of feelings,

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 3>which is another wheel chart situation, and then sort of

0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 3>this flow chart, which I think is great, which really

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 3>breaks down the gifts that you'll get from each feeling,

0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:58.000
<v Speaker 3>and then the impairment want the impairment and the need

0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 3>and the need, which is so helpful because prop to

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 3>get in this another time. But I was on a

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 3>phone call with my boyfriend today and I don't know,

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm realizing I don't know how to express my needs

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 3>well because part of it feels selfish.

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:16.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that's all I'll say about that. So that's

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:19.840
<v Speaker 3>something I'm working on too. And Kat's expert, she's the therapist.

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 3>But I love that you said I'm a therapist that

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 3>also goes to therapy, because I'd like to say I'm

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 3>a normal, everyday human that's not a therapist that also

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:28.800
<v Speaker 3>goes to therapy.

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 2>So we're the same. Yeah, we're the same.

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:31.680
<v Speaker 3>We're the same.

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.040
<v Speaker 2>And I will say with the need, that's like a

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 2>jumping off point because sometimes that's not always the exact need.

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 2>So I would take that as like a I would

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 2>take it with a grain of salt. I guess where

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 2>this could be it or it could be a version

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 2>of this, but it does help you start thinking about

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>what it is. I don't want people to get too

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 2>stuck on that part, because sometimes I might be like,

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't fit. Okay, So do you want to just

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:55.440
<v Speaker 2>get into it?

0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:57.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Lovely, we're feeling one.

0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 2>So we're starting with lonely. That need is to be known,

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 2>and so that can be a version of a lot

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 2>of different things, like being known can mean different things

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:10.000
<v Speaker 2>to different people. I might just want my friend to

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:14.320
<v Speaker 2>see me. I might want maybe in a there was

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:18.400
<v Speaker 2>an event, or you know what, I'll just get into this.

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:21.239
<v Speaker 2>I feel like in the situation we had, I was

0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:23.879
<v Speaker 2>feeling a little lonely because I wanted to be more

0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 2>a part of the production that we were creating. And

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:29.400
<v Speaker 2>so I felt like you were over there and I

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:31.880
<v Speaker 2>was over here, and I just wanted you to know

0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 2>more about what I could offer.

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh, and that was lonely for you. Yeah, And we'll

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:37.520
<v Speaker 3>get into more of the in the weeds of that

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:40.759
<v Speaker 3>when we talk about the feeling of hurt. When I

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:43.359
<v Speaker 3>think of lonely, I think of a time when we

0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:46.320
<v Speaker 3>first adopted the kids or I was going through certain

0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 3>things in my marriage where I didn't have community around

0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:53.439
<v Speaker 3>that because these were situations that I had never encountered before,

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:56.120
<v Speaker 3>and I kind of felt like I was the only one.

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.879
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know there were groups of people that would

0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 3>meet and gather like I've yeah, I'm like, shoot, what

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.240
<v Speaker 3>if I said? What if I not said? Over the years,

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 3>because it's not just my story, So there's things that

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:13.319
<v Speaker 3>I went through there involving other people, and it's it's

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 3>their story too, So that's why I'm careful with details

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 3>and what I say and what I don't say. But

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 3>what I can say about that is I spent a

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 3>lot of time alone in my closet crying, and that

0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:28.839
<v Speaker 3>was before I found community in what I was going

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:32.279
<v Speaker 3>through in both situations, so as an adopted mom and

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 3>as a wife, there were things. And once I found

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:39.120
<v Speaker 3>community on the internet.

0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:43.600
<v Speaker 4>Okay, you weren't scammed there first or Facebook, and then

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:45.319
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh, this is a group, and then

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:46.920
<v Speaker 4>you know that was a group where you had to

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 4>get invited in, so I was all nervous, you got

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 4>a special link I got in, but then once I

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:53.480
<v Speaker 4>got in, and then I did meet them in person,

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:55.560
<v Speaker 4>so I realized there was a group of moms that

0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:57.880
<v Speaker 4>were gathering right here in Nashville where it was a

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:01.799
<v Speaker 4>very safe space and you could say anything and there

0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.879
<v Speaker 4>was no judgment. And then in my marriage, I found

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.720
<v Speaker 4>another group where I got to go meet and I'm like, oh,

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:11.600
<v Speaker 4>and that gave me tools to get through that.

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.280
<v Speaker 2>When people saw you you felt like they're.

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 3>Different Vergine and heard like I was like, oh, I'm

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:21.560
<v Speaker 3>not alone. And then now I'm still involved in those things.

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:25.040
<v Speaker 3>But now when I was calling some of those women

0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:27.680
<v Speaker 3>feeling lost and alone and like can you help me,

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:31.880
<v Speaker 3>It's like now periodically I get a text or an

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:33.720
<v Speaker 3>email or phone call from other people are like, Hey,

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:35.840
<v Speaker 3>my friend is going through this right now. Can I

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:39.719
<v Speaker 3>give her your number? Or can this you know? My

0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 3>coworker's cousin is going through this, can you? I mean,

0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:45.279
<v Speaker 3>that's how distant, that's how desperate sometimes people are to

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:48.160
<v Speaker 3>find people that understand what they're going through, because sometimes

0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:51.200
<v Speaker 3>you just don't know anybody, and it takes reaching out

0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:54.480
<v Speaker 3>and asking others, hey do you know anybody, and then

0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:57.280
<v Speaker 3>they might be like, oh, yeah, my neighbors, cousin, sisters,

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 3>father in law's stepdaughter is exactly who you can call,

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 3>let me reach out to her. And so now I'm

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:07.840
<v Speaker 3>on the receiving end of that, where I was the

0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:10.960
<v Speaker 3>one seeking that out and people were there for me.

0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:14.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm able to now be like, oh, hey, here's what

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 3>we did. This is what I can say. Can't say

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 3>for sure that it will work for you, but this

0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:21.320
<v Speaker 3>is a starting point, and then hopefully they feel less alone.

0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:24.280
<v Speaker 3>And so that was the part where I felt very lonely,

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:26.399
<v Speaker 3>and then once I found the community. But it took

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 3>me being proactive.

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, it took you acknowledging and allowing yourself to feel

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:35.120
<v Speaker 2>the feeling. So if you didn't allow yourself to feel lonely,

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.680
<v Speaker 2>that that impairment would lead you to be apathetic, it

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:41.600
<v Speaker 2>would lead you to have distance, you wouldn't have as

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:44.800
<v Speaker 2>close as relationships. I think that would even affect your

0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:48.680
<v Speaker 2>relationships that you already had. I for sure keep pulling

0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:50.799
<v Speaker 2>back because you would keep feeling like different or people

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:53.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't understand, or you just would want to keep shutting

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:55.560
<v Speaker 2>yourself down. And the only way to do that is

0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:57.440
<v Speaker 2>to not be face to face with what you don't have,

0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 2>and then by feeling the feeling didn't feel very good.

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure those moments in your closet were excruciating, but

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 2>that led you to intimacy and connection, which I think

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.400
<v Speaker 2>a gift. That's the gift. Yeah, we want.

0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:15.000
<v Speaker 3>The gift intimacy and connection with a little butt on it.

0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:19.479
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, So are we good? Feeling one check?

0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Feeling one check? We could do a whole episode probably

0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:24.920
<v Speaker 2>on each of these, but lonely specifically, we really could.

0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Especially since especially since I just say that already because

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 3>in my brain I say that out loud twice. Maybe actually, especially.

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Since now you said it.

0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Your CD's not skipping well since the pandemic loneliness has

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:46.920
<v Speaker 3>been an epidemic of SS.

0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I'm.

0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 3>Sure we could spend a lot of time on it,

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:52.160
<v Speaker 3>but we can move on to feeling too. We'll come back,

0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:54.880
<v Speaker 3>which will be hurt, Yeah, which is where Cat's going

0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:55.439
<v Speaker 3>to share out.

0:47:56.280 --> 0:48:00.200
<v Speaker 2>I hurt her. I felt hurt, but you didn't do

0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 2>it to me.

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 3>I didn't do it to you, and I didn't mean to. Yeah,

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 3>I didn't even know I was doing it.

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:08.120
<v Speaker 2>So I like to say that nobody can make you

0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 2>feel anything. That's right. So as the tailings one oh

0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:15.320
<v Speaker 2>one right, and the reason I believe that is because

0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 2>the same thing could have happened to ten other people,

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 2>and not everybody would have felt the same thing. It's

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.480
<v Speaker 2>what is happening in the world is hitting my story

0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:26.759
<v Speaker 2>and my stuff, and then I feel something about it.

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:32.279
<v Speaker 2>So not trying to invalidate what I was feeling, I'm

0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 2>just really trying to that's helpful when you confront somebody

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:37.239
<v Speaker 2>about it, or I'm not like you did this to me,

0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 2>it's I felt this so hurt. That need is a

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.759
<v Speaker 2>lot of times just simply attention, attention to whatever it

0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 2>is came up, and I'll share the story, but first

0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:54.239
<v Speaker 2>I'll share the impairment and the gift. So if you

0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:57.279
<v Speaker 2>are unaware and you don't let yourself actually acknowledge hurt,

0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:01.280
<v Speaker 2>which I think we do a lot because when we're

0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 2>our feelings are hurt, I feel like people make that

0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:07.680
<v Speaker 2>sound like weak or you're being dramatic or get over it.

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:10.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's the whole like put yourself up by

0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:13.160
<v Speaker 2>your bootstraps and like keep going, like oh, if it's

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:16.040
<v Speaker 2>not broken, keep going kind of thing. And so when

0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:20.200
<v Speaker 2>we're unaware, that really leads to resentment. And what I

0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:23.840
<v Speaker 2>do most of the time is I become passive aggressive,

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:26.719
<v Speaker 2>or I like stonewall. People all cut people out without

0:49:26.719 --> 0:49:29.879
<v Speaker 2>even realizing it. So we don't want that.

0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:33.360
<v Speaker 3>However, few no, we don't, especially since we just launch podcasts.

0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:35.800
<v Speaker 3>We can't be having that, And then our friendship is

0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:37.080
<v Speaker 3>more important to me than the podcast.

0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:39.880
<v Speaker 2>So there's yeah, yeah, And if you are aware, it

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:43.880
<v Speaker 2>leads to healing, which obviously feels good, and it helps

0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:47.680
<v Speaker 2>build courage. So the more I can actually confront somebody

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:50.719
<v Speaker 2>about an experience I had, the more courage I have

0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:53.480
<v Speaker 2>to do that, because it's it is hard, it's vulnerable.

0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:56.200
<v Speaker 2>You don't know how somebody is going to respond.

0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:59.399
<v Speaker 3>And I feel like sometimes in a romantic relationship, when

0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:02.279
<v Speaker 3>we decid to actually let someone in and share a

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:07.200
<v Speaker 3>feeling or what we are feeling, I think it's important

0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 3>to say I am feeling this way, not to your partner.

0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 3>A lot of times in relationship could be like, well,

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.000
<v Speaker 3>you made me feel this way, so I'm glad you

0:50:13.080 --> 0:50:15.520
<v Speaker 3>clarified that that nobody can make you feel a certain way.

0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 3>But there is this fear of if there's not healthy communication,

0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:23.440
<v Speaker 3>that it's your feelings won't be valid, that it'll be

0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 3>met with you're being dramatic, yeah, or you're overreacting, which.

0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:33.920
<v Speaker 2>That can happen, And I get the one. There are

0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:37.279
<v Speaker 2>people that you confront, there's people that you don't. If

0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:40.160
<v Speaker 2>you know somebody is going to probably not be receptive

0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:42.440
<v Speaker 2>and you've already been through this, then there's more of

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:44.640
<v Speaker 2>a boundary of Okay, I need to find healing, but

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:47.040
<v Speaker 2>that healing might not always come from the person that

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I felt the hurt way.

0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:49.640
<v Speaker 3>So do you think that that's the case even if

0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:52.000
<v Speaker 3>you're in a romantic relationship with someone, Well, if you're in.

0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:55.160
<v Speaker 2>A romantic relationship with somebody, I would say, let's talk

0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:57.000
<v Speaker 2>about it. And if they are not able to validate

0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:00.520
<v Speaker 2>your feelings consistently over and over and over again, then

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:02.520
<v Speaker 2>maybe you are not in a healthy relationship and you

0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:04.759
<v Speaker 2>want to evaluate do I want to still be in this?

0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:07.880
<v Speaker 2>I think there's some people we can't avoid, like a boss,

0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:13.040
<v Speaker 2>or like my parents, or just somebody who's in your

0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:15.520
<v Speaker 2>life that you for one reason oother you can't it's

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 2>not that easy to end that relationship, So evaluate that

0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:23.280
<v Speaker 2>because you don't want to then put yourself in a

0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:26.719
<v Speaker 2>position where that's going to feel even worse or that's

0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 2>going to kind of dig deeper a story you already

0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:29.640
<v Speaker 2>have in your head.

0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:33.040
<v Speaker 3>So that's that just the side note of healing doesn't

0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:35.360
<v Speaker 3>have to come from the person that hurt you. Yeah, okay,

0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:38.880
<v Speaker 3>And in our case, yeah, we were able to resolve

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:41.879
<v Speaker 3>it pretty quickly, which I think was a good thing

0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 3>to experience early on in this endeavor because it was

0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:49.879
<v Speaker 3>related to episode one, this very episode, except for you're

0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:52.479
<v Speaker 3>not listening to the original episode that we did because

0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:56.600
<v Speaker 3>we already recorded an entire episode one and it is trashed.

0:51:56.719 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 3>It's actually literally in the cat's trash box on her computer.

0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:04.160
<v Speaker 3>It's in the trash, which is for the better.

0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Do you want to share what happened to it?

0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:11.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, so I okay, will you share your part?

0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I'll share my part.

0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:15.880
<v Speaker 3>So I woke up two days after we recorded it.

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:17.680
<v Speaker 3>So we recorded it because we were trying to get

0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 3>way ahead because you know, we have video.

0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Now of everything.

0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:25.239
<v Speaker 3>Shout out go to our Instagram at Feelings Things podcast. Yeah,

0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:27.759
<v Speaker 3>we're only five years behind on that, but we're going

0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:31.480
<v Speaker 3>to consistently have video. I've dabbled in that with Four

0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 3>Things a little bit, but this is just part of

0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:39.520
<v Speaker 3>our our big girl pants now. And we filmed it

0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:42.759
<v Speaker 3>recorded it, and with social stuff, we were trying to

0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:46.359
<v Speaker 3>get way ahead of schedule, and so I woke up

0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:48.879
<v Speaker 3>two days after we recorded it and I just had

0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:50.360
<v Speaker 3>this feeling. It's almost like I woke up even the

0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:53.160
<v Speaker 3>middle of the night of like something was off. I

0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:54.840
<v Speaker 3>didn't like the way we did it. I didn't like

0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:59.000
<v Speaker 3>the vibe and like the energy. I know that it's

0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:01.600
<v Speaker 3>okay if we have a knee and we're leaning more therapy.

0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:06.920
<v Speaker 3>And in the first episode, I was very clear on

0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:09.840
<v Speaker 3>that this wasn't a therapy podcast. In fact, it was

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:13.720
<v Speaker 3>in our original podcast description you know Kat's a therapist

0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:15.799
<v Speaker 3>and is like, this isn't a therapy podcast. Like I

0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:19.560
<v Speaker 3>felt the need to say that Kat's a therapist. She

0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:22.640
<v Speaker 3>had a podcast for years, a successful podcast that a

0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 3>lot of people love, called you Need Therapy. And then

0:53:26.320 --> 0:53:28.759
<v Speaker 3>she's setting that aside to come join me, which was

0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:32.200
<v Speaker 3>something you wanted to do too. But we're joining together,

0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:36.320
<v Speaker 3>and here I am being like, this isn't a therapy podcast,

0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:38.920
<v Speaker 3>just so that everybody knows, over and over, and I

0:53:38.960 --> 0:53:41.120
<v Speaker 3>think you were sitting there thinking like, why does she

0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:44.440
<v Speaker 3>keep saying this so much? Like this is this is

0:53:44.480 --> 0:53:47.400
<v Speaker 3>like a sort of a slap to my face and like,

0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:49.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm a therapist and I have a lot to offer

0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:53.040
<v Speaker 3>and I would like for this to lean therapy. Well

0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:56.719
<v Speaker 3>I knew we may lean therapy, but some reviews or

0:53:56.760 --> 0:54:01.040
<v Speaker 3>comments that I've seen about me over the last four

0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:06.480
<v Speaker 3>years or so dms comments on my Instagram reviews of

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:10.600
<v Speaker 3>the podcast, like on iTunes, oh this is leaning way

0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 3>to therapy for me, or Amy's just to therapy. I

0:54:13.640 --> 0:54:17.799
<v Speaker 3>can't listen to her anymore. Means stuff which I've evolved. Yeah,

0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 3>and so yeah, maybe I am leaning that way because

0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:21.760
<v Speaker 3>of things that I'm learning and that I find interesting

0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:24.040
<v Speaker 3>and stuff I have going on in my life. I

0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:28.160
<v Speaker 3>just want to share. Like I'm not claiming to be

0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:31.840
<v Speaker 3>the expert or anything. It just can be maybe like

0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:35.399
<v Speaker 3>come alongside other people that are going through things. And

0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:39.360
<v Speaker 3>when I read that about me, I thought, well, shoot,

0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:42.359
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be put in that box. So

0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:44.359
<v Speaker 3>bringing you on as a therapist, I think I had

0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:48.440
<v Speaker 3>this well like it wasn't awareness awareness of it, but

0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:51.040
<v Speaker 3>maybe just somewhere my subconscious of like, oh, Cat's a therapist.

0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:52.440
<v Speaker 3>So I need to make sure that people know this

0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:54.200
<v Speaker 3>isn't going to be a therapy podcast because then they're

0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:56.120
<v Speaker 3>going to say more bad things about me. So it

0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:58.839
<v Speaker 3>is my own fear. And so I woke up two

0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:02.160
<v Speaker 3>days after we recorded, I'm like, why am I worried

0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 3>about what any meaning mine and have said on iTunes

0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:11.960
<v Speaker 3>reviews about me and how I am as a person now.

0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:13.879
<v Speaker 3>And if they can't listen, that's fine. If they don't

0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 3>want to listen, that's okay. There are other people that

0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:20.680
<v Speaker 3>may want this type of content. So we are a

0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:25.480
<v Speaker 3>therapy podcast, mental health minded. Kat give me that we

0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:30.240
<v Speaker 3>are mental health minded. So we're mental health minded. Cat's

0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:32.840
<v Speaker 3>a therapist. I don't even need to reiterate over and

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:34.840
<v Speaker 3>over how we're not a therapy podcast, because who cares.

0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:37.680
<v Speaker 3>We're just going to be what we are and see

0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:40.560
<v Speaker 3>where it goes. And some episodes may lean more therapy,

0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:43.359
<v Speaker 3>some episodes may not. And we've got our couch Talks

0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:45.600
<v Speaker 3>episodes on Thursday where people are going to be writing

0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:48.920
<v Speaker 3>in and it may be questions they might ask a

0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:52.440
<v Speaker 3>therapist or a friend, which sometimes your conversations with a

0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:56.799
<v Speaker 3>friend is like therapy. So I just woke up with

0:55:56.840 --> 0:55:59.120
<v Speaker 3>this feeling of we need to redo this. I feel

0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:01.760
<v Speaker 3>bad that I made at that way and it's okay

0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:05.080
<v Speaker 3>to have a niche, and our niche is this, screw

0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:18.920
<v Speaker 3>anybody else who doesn't like it. So then I called

0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:21.520
<v Speaker 3>you and I'm like, hey, this is what I'm thinking

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:25.800
<v Speaker 3>about this, and you were literally on your way to therapy,

0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:28.200
<v Speaker 3>I know, to just like rip me a new one

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:30.719
<v Speaker 3>with your therapist. And you're in the car and you're like,

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:32.560
<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh, I can't believe you called and you're

0:56:32.560 --> 0:56:34.520
<v Speaker 3>saying all this right now, because you were like, I've

0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:37.279
<v Speaker 3>been trying to process how I'm going to talk through

0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:39.719
<v Speaker 3>this with my therapist so I can figure out what

0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:44.399
<v Speaker 3>I need from this. Because you left that recording like

0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:47.440
<v Speaker 3>what am I even doing here? But I didn't know

0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:50.040
<v Speaker 3>you felt that way, and so I by saying over

0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 3>and over this isn't a therapy podcast. That was hurting you,

0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:54.880
<v Speaker 3>and so I'm sorry for that.

0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:57.879
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. That's my perspective. Yeah, and well, I think

0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:00.120
<v Speaker 2>most of what you said is what happens. So we

0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:04.040
<v Speaker 2>recorded this episode. I kept hearing the it's not a

0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:07.080
<v Speaker 2>therapy podcast over and over and over again, and I

0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:09.560
<v Speaker 2>think I you didn't realize how much you were saying it,

0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:13.160
<v Speaker 2>and I clocked it every single time. So I was really.

0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I actually was really fearful and anxious that day recording

0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:21.320
<v Speaker 2>because I didn't know how to be, because I was

0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:24.280
<v Speaker 2>worried if I, like I feel today, I can talk

0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:25.960
<v Speaker 2>as much as I want or as little as I want.

0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I can share whatever I want, I can add things.

0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:31.280
<v Speaker 2>But I was trying to like stay inside these imaginary

0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:36.040
<v Speaker 2>bounds that had been created because we weren't a therapy podcast.

0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:39.400
<v Speaker 2>But I also was trying to and I talked to

0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:41.840
<v Speaker 2>this about with my therapists before too. I have to

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:46.160
<v Speaker 2>maintain some professional boundaries for myself as well, because I

0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:49.640
<v Speaker 2>want people who either, if you are my client, I

0:57:49.680 --> 0:57:51.160
<v Speaker 2>want you to be able to listen to this just

0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:53.280
<v Speaker 2>like you could listen to you need therapy. And I

0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:55.680
<v Speaker 2>want to be congruent with how I show up as

0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:57.520
<v Speaker 2>a therapist and how I show up here because this

0:57:57.600 --> 0:57:59.880
<v Speaker 2>is public, and so I didn't. I was like, I

0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:02.360
<v Speaker 2>feel like a dud, Like I can't be fun and

0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:05.160
<v Speaker 2>I can't be smart, or I can't be like I

0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:05.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't know how to be.

0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:09.560
<v Speaker 3>So for that one comment, isn't that interesting me saying

0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:12.040
<v Speaker 3>that over and over dimmed your light?

0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:58:13.000 --> 0:58:14.800
<v Speaker 3>And that's the last thing I would want to do,

0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:17.919
<v Speaker 3>is dim your light, but it was my own insecurity

0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:19.280
<v Speaker 3>of worrying about whomever.

0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, I also heard a lot of stuff that you said,

0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:25.120
<v Speaker 2>and I filtered a lot of stuff, Like when I

0:58:25.200 --> 0:58:29.880
<v Speaker 2>was like going back and recounting the conversation, I think

0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I exaggerated things that happened because I was hearing them through.

0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:37.480
<v Speaker 2>This is not a therapy podcast. So whenever you would

0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:40.240
<v Speaker 2>like stop me, I was like, oh my god, it

0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:43.440
<v Speaker 2>did something wrong right, like I just I felt. So

0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:45.840
<v Speaker 2>I got a lot of emotions, so it wasn't just

0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:48.040
<v Speaker 2>as you can see, you're feeling multiple emotions at once,

0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:51.080
<v Speaker 2>not just one. So I was going to go to

0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:53.440
<v Speaker 2>my therapist. Well, and the next day was your birthday,

0:58:53.600 --> 0:58:54.919
<v Speaker 2>so I said, well, I'm not going to talk about

0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:57.360
<v Speaker 2>it with her. And I also had this feeling that

0:58:57.400 --> 0:58:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I didn't like that. I was like, does she think

0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm stupid? Like does she not know? I felt like

0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:05.920
<v Speaker 2>does she not respect me? And that all started coming

0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:07.480
<v Speaker 2>up and I was like why is this bothering me

0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:09.720
<v Speaker 2>so much? So I knew I needed to process it.

0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I knew that I didn't want to talk about it

0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:14.640
<v Speaker 2>on your birthday. But after your birthday party, I came

0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:17.560
<v Speaker 2>home and I said to Patrick, I said, Amy's such

0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:20.400
<v Speaker 2>a good friend, and it's because I was seeing you

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:21.960
<v Speaker 2>in a different light too. It was like this was

0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:24.800
<v Speaker 2>not about work, and I was like, she does like

0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:26.760
<v Speaker 2>me and think this about me and think this about me?

0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:30.600
<v Speaker 2>So what was going on in me that I saw

0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:34.280
<v Speaker 2>everything she was saying and doing through this filter and

0:59:34.320 --> 0:59:36.680
<v Speaker 2>through this lens. So I knew part of it was

0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:41.160
<v Speaker 2>my own stuff. But still the timing was so weird

0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:44.120
<v Speaker 2>because I even walked into my therapist's office and I said, Okay,

0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know what my angle is now today

0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:48.680
<v Speaker 2>because I was going to talk about this, but now

0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:51.959
<v Speaker 2>I need to talk about this, and honestly thinking about

0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:54.760
<v Speaker 2>this today too when I was driving to work. That

0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:58.120
<v Speaker 2>experience was very helpful. I think for our relationship there

0:59:58.160 --> 1:00:01.280
<v Speaker 2>was healing, But also does this make me emotional? I

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<v Speaker 2>think that it allowed me to open up a place

1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:07.920
<v Speaker 2>that I need healing in my own life too. And again,

1:00:08.240 --> 1:00:10.960
<v Speaker 2>somebody hurt, they're being hurt doesn't mean you did anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>It almost is like you showed me a spot that

1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:16.520
<v Speaker 2>I need to go back and address because I realized

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of my life I have survived on

1:00:21.760 --> 1:00:24.960
<v Speaker 2>being smart and that's what I offered, Like that's what

1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I was versus I was other things, but that was

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<v Speaker 2>like what I was like, Well, if I have this,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay and I want I went back and I

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<v Speaker 2>started talking about all the things that I wish I

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<v Speaker 2>would have done as a kid. I was like, and

1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I want to do these things, and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>do these things, and one of them was like an

1:00:39.880 --> 1:00:42.600
<v Speaker 2>improv class, And I was like, Amy's been trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get me to do an improv class, Like she's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to heal this part of me and I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know it. So it was very cool for me to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to take that experience, really sit with it,

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<v Speaker 2>use it as a tool. What is it that I need?

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<v Speaker 2>There are things that I need that I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I was still feeling pain from that had nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when I think that, that's the beauty of the experience.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the gift of allowing yourself to feel the emotion

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<v Speaker 3>and also us feeling safe enough to come to each

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<v Speaker 3>other and both want to hear what the other person

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<v Speaker 3>has to say. Like I called you and woke up

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<v Speaker 3>with this epiphany and I shared it, and then you

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<v Speaker 3>were able to finally say, especially because you didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to bring it up on my birthday, like Okay, well

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<v Speaker 3>you're not gonna believe this, but I'm about to go

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<v Speaker 3>into my therapist, and you were able to share with

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<v Speaker 3>me exactly and I held space for that.

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<v Speaker 2>You were really good at listening, which.

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<v Speaker 3>If I wasn't in a healthy place, who knows, Like

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<v Speaker 3>if I could have held space for that, if I

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<v Speaker 3>had a different filter that then I was taking what

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<v Speaker 3>you were saying through. And that's what I think can

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<v Speaker 3>happen when there's big disconnects and relationships. It's like everyone

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<v Speaker 3>has their filter and it's like nobody's feeling seen or heard,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like oh, And so I was very thankful

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<v Speaker 3>that we were able to come to a resolution and

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<v Speaker 3>heal that in such a timely manner. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that was a gift for us, especially starting this out

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<v Speaker 3>because it's episode one.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a gift for everybody else too. That episode

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<v Speaker 2>was not good.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't like like it was pretty terrible, like people

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<v Speaker 3>probably unsubscribe. So I think we were both just not

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves because I was too busy trying to fit a

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<v Speaker 3>mold that I think listeners would want of me and

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<v Speaker 3>then trying to force you into that when you're like, hello, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kat I am like that's part of who I am.

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<v Speaker 3>Went to grad school.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't tell me, Buddy's not a therapy podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and we're over that. Yeah, Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 3>so the whatever you need it to be podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, yeah, but we do have a niche, but

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<v Speaker 2>we have a niche feelings in therapy, but there's a

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many gifts in that. I think that is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that happened because of the things that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting in my own life, the things that we're able

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<v Speaker 2>to gain from each other, like we're learning about each other.

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<v Speaker 3>And that, Well, something else you said to me that

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<v Speaker 3>stood out of like you're like, I'm also trying to

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<v Speaker 3>figure out like I always have the need to be right,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're you were able to say this is even

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<v Speaker 3>an issue in my own marriage of like the I

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<v Speaker 3>always have to be right. So I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>so I was, yeah, I think your awareness and be like, okay, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>when you have awareness, it's it's so beautiful. It can

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<v Speaker 3>suck because you're like I hate that I am this

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<v Speaker 3>way and people have to put up with me being

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<v Speaker 3>this way, but you can work on it, Yeah, when

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<v Speaker 3>you can work on it. Yeah, I wasn't saying you.

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<v Speaker 2>You can work on this part of you because you're

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<v Speaker 2>not always right Cat, I'm really not. And I am

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<v Speaker 2>glad you said that because I forgot that was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things I was going to go in and

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<v Speaker 2>talk about of I need to be better at knowing

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<v Speaker 2>when I really am in the right and when I

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<v Speaker 2>am being stubborn and when I'm just used to people

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<v Speaker 2>listening to me. Because I work by my I work

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<v Speaker 2>for myself, so I haven't had a boss since I

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<v Speaker 2>was twenty six. So I'm in this new partnership and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, dang it is it? Am I not good

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<v Speaker 2>at working with people? And I'm married to somebody who's

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<v Speaker 2>very agreeable, So I want there to be space for

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<v Speaker 2>his voice. And so this was another opportunity for me

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<v Speaker 2>to say, for me to feel like, what does it

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<v Speaker 2>feel like when I really do feel like this is

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<v Speaker 2>something that has happened, And what does it feel like

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm just being my egos taking over ego? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we all have it, even though we don't want it.

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<v Speaker 2>We need it to survive. But yeah. I like to

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<v Speaker 2>say self awareness really is knowing that there's so much

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that you don't know. Yes, So the more self

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<v Speaker 2>awareness I have, the more I know that, like I

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<v Speaker 2>need a lot of help, which we'll get to because

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<v Speaker 2>that's part of another feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can find all the help you need here

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<v Speaker 3>because we're a therapy podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Just kidding me, You've got from one side of the

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<v Speaker 2>spectrum to the other.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm being yeah, I'm joking, being silly. We just

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<v Speaker 3>are who we are, and you are a therapist. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>trying to figure out here with what do you think

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<v Speaker 3>on time? Because I feel like we've should we keep

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<v Speaker 3>going through the other two or should we we stop

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<v Speaker 3>with her and then pick back up, pick back up

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<v Speaker 3>next week.

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<v Speaker 2>With yeah yeah fear.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll do to at a time, maybe two or

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<v Speaker 3>three maybe yeah, yeah, let's do that because we've got stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Because with Fear, I feel like I have a whole

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<v Speaker 3>story about my boyfriend. Okay, you can get into.

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<v Speaker 2>That cliffhanger and China next time for the story about

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<v Speaker 2>her boyfriend's.

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<v Speaker 3>We call it tease.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we call tea.

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<v Speaker 3>Subscribe follow.

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<v Speaker 2>If you subscribe, we'll send you the special episode about

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<v Speaker 2>Amy's fear for free and it's worth one thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we view all the details, which really doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 3>but I want to share it because it does matter.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do we say things that sometimes we don't mean?

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<v Speaker 3>It does matter. I think it's important when you recognize

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<v Speaker 3>a fear, because that's one if you set aside, you

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<v Speaker 3>will miss out on life. You will miss out on something.

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<v Speaker 3>It could be unexpectedly fabulous.

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<v Speaker 2>And fear doesn't. Well, we're getting into it. Fear does

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<v Speaker 2>not mean stop all the time. Sometimes it doesn't. Times

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't. So let's get let's pause, pause, because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get ahead of myself.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So fear coming up next Tuesday. It'll be tuned

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<v Speaker 3>be one of our core feelings and then uh feeling

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<v Speaker 3>for which we get into that next week with fear

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<v Speaker 3>is a little weird to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's glad.

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<v Speaker 3>I never really I know it's a core feeling glad,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't know that I spend too much time

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<v Speaker 3>with the word glad. So I'm glad we are.

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<v Speaker 2>It is like dressful, old person word. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like gladness feels like it's from the nineteen twenties

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<v Speaker 2>or something, you know, like who says.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad, Well, I say it when I Oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>glad about that, but I don't ever be like I

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<v Speaker 3>feel glad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, we'll get into.

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<v Speaker 3>It and I can't wait to feel more glad.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say with the feelings wheel, when you guys

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<v Speaker 2>see it, which I don't know, did we say that

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<v Speaker 2>we're sending it to them. If we did, say we

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<v Speaker 2>weren't kidding about that. We really will send it to you.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to do a sign up with these letter.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no tricks, yeah, and we'll send you all those things.

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<v Speaker 2>But you'll see that there's eight core and then outside

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<v Speaker 2>of the core feelings, they're what I like to call

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<v Speaker 2>shades of the feelings. So with glad, there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>that's the wrong one, that's gifts. Oh, these are gifts,

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<v Speaker 2>so that one. Yeah, yeah, feelings. So if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at glad, there's different shades of gladness. So you could

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<v Speaker 2>use different what are other words on there?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh for glad? Yeah, excited, encouraged, happy, content, satisfaction, optimistic.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a different shade of yellow though, and then an

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<v Speaker 3>even lighter shade of it would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be I didn't organize them in the shades though. Oh okay, yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's not all encompassing. Those are just other words

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<v Speaker 2>you could use because sometimes it's hard to come up

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<v Speaker 2>with the word, and it's helpful to look at that.

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<v Speaker 2>But even with like anger and fear and all of those,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes anger and fear and those words feel too heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's why we have all these different shades of

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<v Speaker 2>the It's still the same core root, right, but it

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<v Speaker 2>might be a more palatable or more fitting word.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So I think since we spent some time on hurt,

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<v Speaker 3>we can wrap up with that one because I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's a good way to look at it, Like although, dang,

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<v Speaker 3>you just flat out we're feeling hurt. Yeah, like you've

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<v Speaker 3>watched straight to that core, but the lighter shade of

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<v Speaker 3>green is offended. I was sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's counting, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>All your hard work disappointed because you're like, wait, I

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<v Speaker 3>just left this and I came and I'm doing this

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<v Speaker 3>with you, and now I don't even know my role,

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<v Speaker 3>which also could feel rejected, is under there. So then

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<v Speaker 3>you're feeling rejected because I'm shutting up shocked because you're

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<v Speaker 3>like what what? That's another one so under hurt. It's despair, shock, betrayed, rejected, offended, disappointed,

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<v Speaker 3>pain and then you were having your own pain.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so that those words might just be more

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<v Speaker 2>helpful if the other ones don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love the feelings. We all you did a

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<v Speaker 3>great job. You so good so feeling things with Amy

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<v Speaker 3>and Kat we have our own wheel, we have our

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<v Speaker 3>gifts of feelings and then the feelings the feeling flow chart,

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<v Speaker 3>which I love like this. I'm going to use my

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<v Speaker 3>everyday life things in my relationship things with my kids

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<v Speaker 3>where there's four columns impairment, feeling, need, and gift, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be referencing this all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do have to shout this out because copyright.

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<v Speaker 2>The majority of this comes from this Feelings flow chart

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<v Speaker 2>comes from Chip Dods, the Voice of the Heart, and

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<v Speaker 2>he also uses those same eight core feelings so it

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<v Speaker 2>aligns really well. So I don't want anybody think that

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<v Speaker 2>I created that, that I have adapted from other people's work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you noted it on the PDF. I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to get suit and it is downloaded when you sign

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<v Speaker 3>up for newsletter and then you get these files. It

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<v Speaker 3>said this chart was adapted from Chip Dods The Voice

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<v Speaker 3>of the Heart, and then shout out Lindsay Gibson for

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<v Speaker 3>her she has a adult children of emotionally immature parents.

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<v Speaker 3>That is me.

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<v Speaker 2>I have the book in my back, that's me. That

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<v Speaker 2>book's really good to just help understand why we don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel the these feelings as easily as we want.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is good stuff. What I'm saying is you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna want to sign up for a newsletter because if anything,

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<v Speaker 3>you're just gonna get this, and this is gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>something you can reference or you know, you can hit up.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I'm sure Chip has it somewhere somewhere. But

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<v Speaker 3>is this color coordinated?

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>The colors are pretty because Cat color coordinated it. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess that's that's it. That's a wrap on episode one.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we encourage y'all to, yeah, follow us on socials.

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<v Speaker 3>Feeling Things podcast is the handle Feeling Things podcasts. There's

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<v Speaker 3>other Feeling Things accounts where the podcast one and when

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<v Speaker 3>you'll see my face in Cat's face, so it should

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<v Speaker 3>be pretty clear. And then we want to hear from

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<v Speaker 3>you for couch talks or anything else. Do you want

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<v Speaker 3>to share couch Talks will be our Q and a

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<v Speaker 3>episode which will be every Thursday. So coming up in

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of days, we'll have our very first couch

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, sorry, let's see. I also got locked out

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<v Speaker 2>of our email for like three weeks. I was silently panicking.

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<v Speaker 2>Boom bye