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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Hulet's go, Let's go, Let's go. Giants done on My

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Tottle Podcast, brought

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Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New

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Speaker 3: York Football Giants. I am John Schmelk, joined by front

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Speaker 3: of the program Chris busing Nano. He covers the Giants

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Speaker 3: for Giants Insider. Chris, it's always good to see you man.

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Speaker 3: How you doing good?

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Speaker 2: Good John? How you doing man? Thanks for having me

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Speaker 2: back on man, busy time of year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it all.

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen you in a bit. Good to talk

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Speaker 3: to you, Chris. Before we get started, tell the folks

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Speaker 3: where they can find aw your work.

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Speaker 2: At Giant Insider on X and the Giant Inside of

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Speaker 2: podcast and newspaper, the bi weekly newspapers. So and at

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Speaker 2: Giant Inside. Like I said on X, John, look, I

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Speaker 2: guess we're gonna get into it. A lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: going on own his meeting right, Shane Dable speaking, and uh,

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Speaker 2: the draft coming up, Man, get into it. I know

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Speaker 2: you want to get into it, so let's splot it up.

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Speaker 3: Also, John, Marras spoke down there as well. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: the fans out there are listening to this all. Out

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Speaker 3: of the quotes, what were your biggest takeaways from what

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Speaker 3: was said down there at the owner's meetings.

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Speaker 2: You know something that really annoys me John, and I

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Speaker 2: that John Marra runs the draft and tells Davil and

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Speaker 2: Joe Shane just the way it's gonna be. Guys, you

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Speaker 2: and this and that. And basically John had to say, listen,

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Speaker 2: if that's if Joe Shane and Dave's want to go

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Speaker 2: with a quarterback at six, god bless them. It's their show,

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Speaker 2: right Basically, that's what they're saying. And John blefs it

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Speaker 2: out there and he let people know that, hey, it's

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Speaker 2: it might be. It's just going to be Joe Shane's show,

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Speaker 2: as it should be and it always has been, you know,

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Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people don't want to

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Speaker 2: hear that John. A lot of people have this perception

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Speaker 2: of John Marra runs everything and all that stuff, but

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Speaker 2: once again to come out and say, hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is this show and they're gonna do what they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and to your point, because that's the way it's

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Speaker 3: always been done. I know fans absolutely, you know, I

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Speaker 3: don't know how. I'm sure you see it on Twitter

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Speaker 3: as well or ex whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 3: That you know, there's no way Joe Shane gives that

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Speaker 3: contract to Eli to Daniel Jones on his own without

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Speaker 3: John Marra making him do it. Guys, I hate to

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Speaker 3: tell you, that's exactly what happens.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: John Mara mentioned this at the owner's meetings. He is,

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Speaker 3: you know, so many grandkids with Saquon jerseys. You know,

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Speaker 3: of the fans would have been happy, but Joe Shane

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Speaker 3: didn't think that was the right thing to do. And

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Speaker 3: the Mara family allows the people that they hire to

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Speaker 3: to make these decisions. Mister Marra pointed out that if

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Speaker 3: and that's how this is going to go, and that's

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Speaker 2: John. I try to express that message to people. Don't

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Speaker 2: want to hear it, but it's the facts. Hey, look, John,

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Speaker 2: when when Dave get him and drafted Tony, John said

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Speaker 2: giant right now. Hey, hey, hey Joe, my kids got

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Speaker 3: And by the way, Chris, just real quick, I don't

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Speaker 3: have benched Eli Manning for Gino Smith, Bob, I'm serious

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Speaker 3: and and and he said after the fact that he

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Speaker 3: And that's just how he operates. He's involved, he knows

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and look like John says it, I might get

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Speaker 2: something like that. That's very rare, right John, But he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: He lets his football people. Look. John Marraw wants to win.

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Speaker 2: Once again, I old people don't want to hear this.

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Speaker 2: They think, oh, he just seit it for the money.

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Speaker 2: John Marraw wants to win more than anybody I'm with.

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Speaker 2: I see him after games. If you do, John, I'm

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Speaker 2: sure he doesn't. You know, nobody takes these losses hearted

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Speaker 3: Brother Chris, Is there anything worse than if it's a

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Speaker 3: lopsided game at halftime and you're going to the bathroom

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Speaker 3: in the press box and John Maras he watched the

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Speaker 3: couple other topics from there, Chris, and this is kind

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Speaker 3: I'm not surprised that this is how you know. Brian Dabele,

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Speaker 3: that there's someone special in the draft that they could

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Speaker 3: Maher put it, a franchise type quarterback that could be

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Speaker 3: pull the trigger on that. So I think Paul Schwartz

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Speaker 3: investigating everything like they do every year because you never

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Speaker 2: Yeah. John, Look, I've been saying this on my podcast

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Speaker 2: conversation with the Giants, it has been for months. Are

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Speaker 2: they gonna reach Is it a desperate type mode? Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: Is their interest in drafting a franchise so called franchise quarterback. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: They're not doing all this work for nothing, John. We

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Speaker 2: know that they bringing these kids. They've interviewed him at

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Speaker 2: the Combine Pro dates. They brought it. They brought these

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Speaker 2: So it's definitely an interest, no question about it. But

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Speaker 2: Joe Shane and Brian Dabele is not just gonna draft

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Speaker 2: the quarterback for the sake of draft of the quarterback. Okay.

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Speaker 2: They are gonna look into these kids and if they

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Speaker 2: how these guys you know, Joe shann and Brian Dabele

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Speaker 3: And Chris by the way, I don't think and Brian

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Speaker 3: So they're not gonna make a decision on this until

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Speaker 3: and John Marras said this as well, that the honest means,

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Speaker 3: I think there's still a lot of work to do

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Speaker 3: here on their decision. What I don't think they'll do

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Speaker 1: So I'm with you one thousand percent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe, Look John, they're not going to reach Joe

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Speaker 2: Shane and Brian Dable know what the hell are doing Okay,

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Speaker 2: especially Dable. Okay, we all know his history with quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: all right, Look, depth draft boards not even remotely close

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Speaker 2: the beauty of the draft. Nobody knows. I know, people

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they're gonna be doing that looking into besides quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a draft their position and how they

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Speaker 2: the draft. We just don't know that right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a trade too, and I don't want

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Speaker 3: a situation too, Chris, where you can't make this trade

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Speaker 3: ahead of time, right, you know, it's very hard to

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Speaker 1: You have no idea that one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: And we'll still go back to what the Giants might

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Speaker 1: Which frankly, I don't that's what I would do.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't want to lock himself into a decision of

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Speaker 2: Knowing Dave's the way I know, we probably won't get

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Speaker 3: Guys will be in the press box with your binoculars

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Speaker 2: So but I do feel, you know, knowing Dave's sometimes

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Speaker 2: We'll see, like you said, we're not gonna get that answer. Well,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, he said he likes to call plays.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he's maybe leaning one way right now

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Speaker 2: day probab Davils a shop dude.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 2: We all know that John. He is a shop guy, okay,

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Speaker 3: agency here. There's that kind of part two of the show,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's a premium position, that's the bottom line,

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Speaker 2: that's come on, Chrisy. He always had twelve and a

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Speaker 2: they get a guy like Brian Burns and Joe did

430
00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,280
Speaker 2: you know, and then you go out and you pay him,

431
00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,240
Speaker 2: and I think they look at it like, Okay, you know,

432
00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,040
Speaker 2: we're gonna give up this colladial, but man, we are

433
00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,720
Speaker 2: getting a guy that's in his prime that could get

434
00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,000
Speaker 2: you double digit sacks every season, you know. And now

435
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,679
Speaker 2: you team up with a guy opts Oude of the

436
00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,760
Speaker 2: Thibodeaux on the other side, a Z's decks inside, you know,

437
00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,119
Speaker 2: all the whatever package Shane Bone wants to put together.

438
00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,640
Speaker 2: That's a pretty formiable unit right there, John.

439
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:36,879
Speaker 3: You know.

440
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,480
Speaker 2: So look, one of the issues is getting to the quarterback.

441
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,359
Speaker 2: The Giants really haven't done that. I mean, you know,

442
00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,840
Speaker 2: they're going from one coordinator that blitzed the crap out

443
00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,439
Speaker 2: of the ball and still didn't get many drops on quarterbacks.

444
00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,760
Speaker 2: Now you've got a different guy coming in with Shane

445
00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,280
Speaker 2: Bone in a different philosophy. So what do you do

446
00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,680
Speaker 2: so well that kind of meets his philosophy, right, Change's

447
00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,960
Speaker 2: basically a four down rush guy. And now you add

448
00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,959
Speaker 2: this guy, you know, along talent like like like Brian says, hey,

449
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,000
Speaker 2: I got a bunch of dogs next to me, Man Dexta.

450
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,119
Speaker 2: You hopefully it's easy. Got Timbodeau, you know all that stuff.

451
00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 2: So I like what he did. What I like about

452
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,240
Speaker 2: Joe is that, hey, I'm gonna be aggressive if I wanted,

453
00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,000
Speaker 2: if I see something I want, And that's what he did.

454
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,000
Speaker 2: And the beauty, Like I said to John's that you

455
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,800
Speaker 2: still have a second round pick, you know, so that's

456
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:20,280
Speaker 2: big too.

457
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that Leonard Williams trade that got him

458
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:23,480
Speaker 1: the extra pick.

459
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,400
Speaker 3: And basically the price they paid that the price they

460
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,639
Speaker 3: got rather for Leonard Williams is what they paid to

461
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,920
Speaker 3: get access to Brian Byrns. So they kind of moved

462
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,760
Speaker 3: in concert. Obviously the picks are a little bit different.

463
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,439
Speaker 3: They're eight apart U forty seven ver thirty nine, but

464
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,520
Speaker 3: still they add a guy. And now, you know, you

465
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,720
Speaker 3: mentioned how that defense can be special. How do you

466
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 3: think that Bowen defense is going to kind of come together?

467
00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,399
Speaker 3: And what do you think it's gonna look like for

468
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,119
Speaker 3: fans that are anxious to see what a non win

469
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,159
Speaker 3: Martindale defense looks like with this personnel.

470
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, folks, I've been you know, for use them

471
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,240
Speaker 2: for everybody who's been watching a lot of blitz in

472
00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,119
Speaker 2: the last three years a week. Well, you're not to

473
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 2: see a lot of that with Shane Bohm. He's basically

474
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 2: you know, not that Shane doesn't is not gonna blitz

475
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 2: at all. But he believes in that four down four

476
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 2: rush guy. You know, he wants to rush four and

477
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 2: he wants to drop that seven and all that. So

478
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 2: you're gonna see a different type of defense, you know.

479
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons why you know you upgrade

480
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 2: that edge guy. You know, when you can get to

481
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,399
Speaker 2: the quarterback with four guys, that's a big difference, you know.

482
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 2: So that's that's the biggest that when Giants fans start

483
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,560
Speaker 2: watching this team is September John, That's gonna be the

484
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 2: bigger you know, you're gonna look at guys guys like

485
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 2: Winkle Whill, like who loved the he'll run the zero

486
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 2: blitz at times, he'll blit six guys up front. Uh,

487
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 2: you're not gonna see a whole lot of that. You know,

488
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,120
Speaker 2: You're gonna see a mix with Sane as far as

489
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 2: cover twos threes, you know, and all that stuff. And

490
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,639
Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be a different philosophy and guys are

491
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 2: gonna have to get used to it. But that's what

492
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 2: they do to NFL players. They'll they'll adjust to a

493
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 2: new new scheme. And uh, but it's definitely gonna be

494
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 2: a different look, no question about it. And Shane added

495
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,479
Speaker 2: a big piece to the the scheme. Shane Bone when

496
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 2: wants to run and that's big. You know, that's big.

497
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 2: You draft, you signed free agency, freegency, free agency guys,

498
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 2: the scheme that your cordis want to run, right, and

499
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 2: that's that's what she wants to do. And and that

500
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 2: Joe got him, went out and got him a big piece.

501
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 1: All right.

502
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 3: So let's take on the defense here before we head

503
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,239
Speaker 3: over back to the offense with the other moves they

504
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 3: made a free agency Chris, where do you think the

505
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 3: biggest holes now lie? Where are the biggest needs? As

506
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 3: you continue through this offseason you get to the draft

507
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 3: on this defense, considering the way Bowen wants to run it.

508
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the corner opposite of Tate Banks is gonna

509
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 2: be one of them? You know. Uh, I gotta be

510
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 2: honest with you, Johnna, I was I'm a little surprised,

511
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 2: you know, I know they brought Jalen Mills and he's

512
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 2: like a safety now and all that stuff. He's a

513
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 2: fen he's up there. But I'm a little a little

514
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 2: surprised that Joe didn't address the cornerback in safety position

515
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 2: with a veteran. Now, I know Jalen Mills, but Jalen

516
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 2: Mills is is playing Timmy, you know, decreased in New

517
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: England till the last few years anyway, so they're gonna

518
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: have to address that. I look at the corner spot now.

519
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they have some young guys out there. Now, Okay,

520
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 2: you got the Nick m claud you got the Cordell

521
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 2: that always a slot guy. You could throw him on

522
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 2: the outside too, and all that stuff. And you have

523
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 2: the young Tree Hawks gonna be enter in his second year.

524
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 2: We all know was this training camp. He looked great

525
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 2: in training camp last year. Then the regulars season started

526
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 2: and it was a different story. Okay, which is which

527
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 2: is we always seem to get one of those guys

528
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 2: in training camp. But I'm not kiving by.

529
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Speaker 1: The way, Chris. I think every team gets one of

530
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: those guys.

531
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 2: Every teams.

532
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 3: Giant fans don't realize it. Every fan base has a

533
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 3: couple of players in camp like, oh my gosh, the

534
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 3: sixth round pick is gonna be great, and then oh

535
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 3: the real game started.

536
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: Now it looks a lot different.

537
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: John, absolutely, because you know, you look around the league

538
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: doing training camp and you read about, you know, to

539
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: beat rights with this saying there's always one guy like

540
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 2: they say, oh, this guy, you know, John Schmoll looks

541
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: great and I'll always sit there like, well wait till

542
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 2: the bell rings in September. Right, So he kind of

543
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: saw that with trade, not that I'm giving up on trade.

544
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 2: He'll be in the mixext you have a competing but

545
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 2: you asked.

546
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: Me he was a sixth round pick out of old dominion.

547
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 3: But the idea that he was gonna come in year

548
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 3: one and be some of top end starter, it's not

549
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: fair to the kid. I mean, he he's a developmental prospect.

550
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: You gotta give him some time here anyway, go ahead,

551
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

552
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: Well, you know what happened. You know what happened, John,

553
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: you're the every day too. He played so well in camp,

554
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 2: is that people he opened up? Hey, Look and let's

555
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: face it, I mean he was he will season. It'sntil

556
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: he showed he could, you know, so, And so it

557
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 2: was a little bit, you know, he was a little

558
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: bit and over his head at the beginning. But I'm

559
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: not giving up on Trey, you know what I mean.

560
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: He'll be in second year, he'll be in the mix

561
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,239
Speaker 2: and a lot. But they're gonna have to dress. In

562
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: my opinion, they're gonna have to address that cornerback position

563
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 2: opposite of Deontay Banks, is no question about it. Now.

564
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 2: It's safety. You know, you lose a guy like McKinnie

565
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: who was obviously a very good football player, and you're

566
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: gonna right now on paper, you got some young guys,

567
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: you know, and you have the veteran Jalen Mills in

568
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: the mix too. So those are two positions right now

569
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: in my opinion, that are kind of they have holes

570
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: and they're gonna have to be either via there's still

571
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: some veterans out there free agent market and the draft.

572
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: You know, we'll see what Joe wants to do that.

573
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: Now on the inside, you got some young guys like

574
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: Jordan Riley next to Decks and all that, but it

575
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me to see him go with defensive lineman too.

576
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 2: In the draft, John, they're bringing another guy, you know, so,

577
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: but the one that worries me right now as we

578
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 2: sit here at the end of March, is going to

579
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: be who's going to be opposite of Tay Banks. That's

580
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: the one that concerns me right now.

581
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: Now I'm with you.

582
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 3: I agree in terms of the defensive lineman and I've

583
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 3: we've had this debate on our programs here, Chris, are

584
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: you looking to add another run stopper next to Lawrence?

585
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: Are you looking for more.

586
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 3: Of your upfield, smaller pass rusher type that you could

587
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 3: put next to Decks?

588
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: No, I think DEXs has got I want to see

589
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 2: a guy that could really stop that run John, you know,

590
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: because this team must struggled against the run, you know,

591
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 2: the last few years. So I like to see a

592
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: big body in the next to Decks. Decks could push

593
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 2: that pocket. We all know that. But ILL love to

594
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: see a guy. Look. I thought, you know, a guy

595
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 2: like Gayshoon Robinson was doing a pretty decent job. Of

596
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: course we lost that, we lost some free These things happen,

597
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 2: right he came. I thought he really came on in

598
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: a in a lot of half of the year, and

599
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 2: I wanted to see him stay. But it happens. You

600
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: can't keep every you know, so he moves on. He

601
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: got a good deal. What are you going to do?

602
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: You know? But yeah, I like to see. Look, look now,

603
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: could Jordan Riley like killing Jordan Riley beat that guy?

604
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, possible. You know he'll be entering the

605
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: you two. You got Nacho back, you know. But I

606
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: still think they're going to address that in the draft.

607
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: And if you ask like you asked me, what would

608
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: you have to say? I want to see a big

609
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: kid that kind of clogs up those gaps, John, you

610
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 2: know what I mean, that stops the run, you know,

611
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: next to decks. That's what I'm looking for.

612
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: Interesting.

613
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 3: See, I think decks as you're kind of one technique

614
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: zero technique, depending on how Bowen wants to line them up, right,

615
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: I think then you need that three, which is more

616
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: of your outfield guy to kind of replace what Leonard

617
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 3: was before you know, he got trade to Seattle. So

618
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting because I think there are good

619
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 3: arguments on both sides there, especially given the Giants issues

620
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 3: against the run.

621
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Speaker 1: I totally get where you're coming from.

622
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: I'll be curious to see, you know, especially Bowen and

623
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: you know Joe Shane's point at the combine that he

624
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: wants guys that to get upfield into the quarterback.

625
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: So I'm curious. I'm I'm very curious to see.

626
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 3: How they view that second defensive tackle position because they

627
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 3: do think that there are good arguments on both sides

628
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 3: of that.

629
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and you could look, look what a

630
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: healthier thease, now you could. It'd be interesting to see

631
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: how the mixed this up, right John, as far as Okay,

632
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: so now you've got a third and seven and you

633
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: got you have a Brian Burns on one side, you

634
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: got TIBs on the other side, you got decks. Hey,

635
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: you do you throw in Diz's out of three tech, right,

636
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: you remember the old days you kind of mix it

637
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: up with the Tuck and Ozy and all those guys

638
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: in the NASCAR, you know, the whole package. I'm not

639
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: saying that's what the level of talent is, but I'm

640
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: saying that you could kind of mix them up up front.

641
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: That's what I'm curious to say. You know what Andre

642
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: Patterson's defensive line coach, and Shane Bone, what they do

643
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: with these guys up front, How he mix you know,

644
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: you know, mix and match as these to me is

645
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: gonna be very interesting. John, because a healthier thease is

646
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: it's gonna be is right now healthy going into Campa.

647
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: This is the second best past rushing on his team,

648
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: behind Brian Burns.

649
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: I was, I would say, behind Burns and Dexter.

650
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: But yes, ah, John, look look at his Jesus number

651
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: when he's healthy. Man the games he plays in the sacks. Okay,

652
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: so but whatever, I'm not whatever, you know, but Asse

653
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: is a guy that you know, we all know, and

654
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: I know people are gonna beck come on, Chris, He's

655
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: have a healthy I get it. I know that I'm

656
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: talking about a healthy disease. So be interesting to see

657
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: how him mix and match with those guys up Frond

658
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: really is.

659
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: To see what a great up I think it'll be

660
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: a lot of fun. I'm with you, all right, Let's

661
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 3: ship to the offensive side of the ball on Frasey Chris.

662
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: They had a couple of offensive linemen and John Runyon

663
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: Junior and Jermaine Illuminar. Then he also add guys like

664
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: Aaron Schlatman, Aaron Stinney that are kind of depth pieces

665
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: on the line.

666
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: And John again made the point.

667
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 3: That I think the quote was that it's ridiculous that

668
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: we continue having these offensive line issues.

669
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: He expects to be better this year.

670
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: And Joe Shane made the point too that you know

671
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 3: obviously they're they're they're trying to get that grew better. Also,

672
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 3: one of the pieces of news coming out of there

673
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: that they're going to start Evan Neil this offseason and

674
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: keep him in right tackle, which probably means Jermaine Ilumini

675
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: will probably start inside a guard, though Brian Dable did

676
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: not commit much like with the play calling, did not

677
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: want to commit to who's playing what positions on that

678
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 3: offensive line. So if the way till OTA's to see

679
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: where they line up to figure that part out. What

680
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: do you think overall about how the Giants decided to

681
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: address the l with the on line and free agency.

682
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, and I like what Joe did, Okay. I

683
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: felt they needed a upgrade and a pass pro god John.

684
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: I felt they really struggled at last year times Pugh

685
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: Brenison And one thing that John Runyon Junior gives you, Okay,

686
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: he's probably a better pass pro god than a run

687
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: blocking gud.

688
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: Absolutely under He was a left tackle in Michigan, so

689
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 3: he knows how to pass prottack.

690
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no question when you watch him on film,

691
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: and when you watch him when he played for the Pack,

692
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: is the way he attacks a pass pro. He looks

693
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: like attack right, I mean he strikes out with the hands.

694
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: You know, he's not the most athletic guy at his

695
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: feet and all that, but he's definitely an upgrade and

696
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: something I felt they needed. And that's a god that

697
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: could pass pro well. And he's no question John, and

698
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: he's got that this like his dad, right, Like his dad,

699
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: he's kind of got that nastiness and side. I like that, John,

700
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: you know, I like that. I thought the Giants needed that.

701
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: So I like what Joe did. Obviously. Jermaine ILLUMINOI I

702
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: hope I'm saying that right now.

703
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: You got a good job.

704
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. I'm not exactly the best of the

705
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: pronounce the names, so but I'm fortunate enough to get

706
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: that one right. Jermaine is a guy that obviously you know,

707
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: he could play God. He played God a lot Baltimore.

708
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: He did in his career, he has done in his career.

709
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: And he's a tackle and he's played pretty brute, very

710
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: good tackle. So Evan Neil, no question, you can't give up.

711
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: But Evan yet Okay, he's gonna go into camp as

712
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: a tackle, but you do have Jermaine now, And what

713
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: I mean by that is this, John, It's year three

714
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: for Evan and he's had a lot of health issues.

715
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, but to me, John, this is

716
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: gonna be a short leash for Evan at the tackle

717
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: position this season. I don't think if he struggles. Okay,

718
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: and that's not all Evan's fault. You know, he's health

719
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: issues and all that. But let's face it, John, he

720
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: hasn't played like a seventh overall pick yet. Okay.

721
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: Joe Shane said in this postseason O'Neil has to play better.

722
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Right, I'm not here getting on anybody. This is exactly

723
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: what the giants and the organist asks how the Giants feel,

724
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: and Joe Shane said he has to get better. So

725
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: they're gonna give him a chance to get better. John, Okay,

726
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be his position to lose. But I

727
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: fully believe believe that it will be a short leash

728
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: on Evan Neil as sheep, because you have a guy

729
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: like Jermaine could slide right over and play right tackle.

730
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: So we'll see how that plays out. But it's nice

731
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: to have look at even a signing like Aaron Stinney. Okay,

732
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: he's a guy that started and won a Super Bowl

733
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: with the Tampa Bay Bucks. He played with him. You

734
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: know he's not a bad guard. A guy, a veteran,

735
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: roll up, nice nice little pickup, nice step guy. Guy

736
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: goes down, you go. An't in there? Right? So I

737
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: kind of like what Joe did. Of course they have

738
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: to do it on the field. We all know that.

739
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: But I love the Jermaine ILLUMINAI versatility because if Evan

740
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: struggles again, is no wage John, they are gonna sit

741
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: there table and Shane it would be malpracticed to watch

742
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: him sit there because he's a seventh Doball pick and

743
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: watch him struggle week after week. I think he's on

744
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: a shortly show.

745
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

746
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: I don't think any of those decision will get made

747
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: in the spring. Is it not in pads yet.

748
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: To not talk about season? No?

749
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm, I'm I Look.

750
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: I think even if we get through like a couple

751
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: of preseason games in four weeks of camp and they

752
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: see in one on ones in practice and stuff that

753
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: Neil's having some issues, I'm with you, I would not

754
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 3: be surprised if we see illuminarro up. Maybe he'll get

755
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: a couple of snaps here of tackle now and then,

756
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: just to try to make sure they're ready and when

757
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: fringency started. And this is why I love the Illuminois

758
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: signing so much. Again, not that he's gonna be a

759
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl or an All Pro or anything like that,

760
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: but he was a good He was a starting caliber

761
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: right tackle for the Raiders for for two straight years

762
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: under the Giants current offensive line coach, So we know

763
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: it's gonna work. Okay, I had Michael and when you

764
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: kind of circled when fre agency started, because he could

765
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: play right tackle, he could play guard, he could do

766
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: both right well, once they spend all the money in

767
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: Brian Birds allocating the amount of hap space you would

768
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: need to get a guy like a when you became

769
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: very difficult. So they found the guy that was cheaper

770
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: but had the same profile right that could play tackle

771
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 3: and can slide into guard. And to your point, I

772
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: think it makes the the Evan Neil situation a lot

773
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: easier to handle knowing you have a stop gap, or

774
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: maybe even better than a stop gap that's probably downplaying.

775
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: The way little more play quality right tackle.

776
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: Correct that can step in and play that spot if Neil.

777
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: Doesn't play well enough to hold the position.

778
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: And I just think that was, you know, finding a

779
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: guy that could do that, I think was a really

780
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: really underrated important part of what the Giants did this offseason.

781
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: John, Absolutely, I couldn't agree with you more. I just

782
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: Giant fans should be excited about this new offensive line coach,

783
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: Common Prisol And I'll tell you why quickly. Jermino Iluminov

784
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: said in his press it to us about when he

785
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: was a rookie of first year, second year, he goes,

786
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: I stunk. You remember when he said that.

787
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: He told me in my interview that he's stunk the

788
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: first four years of his career.

789
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna give you a quick story, John, I

790
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,239
Speaker 2: remember when he played God for the Ravens and he

791
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: was in there and I was watching him, going, Wow,

792
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: I'm shocked Harbo was going with this guy God. I

793
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: I specifically remember seeing it to myself, right, and then

794
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: the last two years I'm watching him with Vegas, John,

795
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: especially last year, and I'm saying to myself, wait a minute,

796
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: wait a minute, is that the same Jermaine Illumino that

797
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: I saw in Baltimore. I couldn't block a guy, you know.

798
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, what you want to talk about

799
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: an improvement? I was like, holy craph And guess what, people, Well,

800
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: that offensive line coach from the Dante Scott Neck to

801
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: you school, okay, is not a Giants offensive line coach.

802
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: And it goes to show you how much an offensive

803
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: line coach could really change a guy. And Jermaine, in

804
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: my opinion, John Jermaine Illumina is one of those guys

805
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: that you look at him say, man, is that the

806
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: same guy that was in the league three four years ago?

807
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: Look how much better he is? He is now a

808
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: solid like you said, John, though I think he's making

809
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: Pro Bowls and All pros. No, but he is a

810
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 2: solid right tackle and that's something the Giants have now.

811
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: If Evan doesn't work.

812
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,600
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821
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Speaker 3: I forgot Devin Singletary. That was the one big offensive

822
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Speaker 3: edition we did not talk about in freigency. Almost forgot

823
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: him before he jumped to the draft.

824
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Speaker 2: Here.

825
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: Look, I watched this tape. I was really impressed by

826
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 3: I think he elusive. I like his I think his

827
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 3: height actually helps him. He gives them good contact balance,

828
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: guys have trouble picking them up. He was just as

829
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 3: productive as Saquon was, and fewer carries last year now,

830
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: obviously playing with c J. Stroud and I think probably

831
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: helped that a lot for Devin Singletary and Houston. I'm

832
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: not saying he's as good of a player as Saquon

833
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: Barkley ban he means, but I think he'll step in

834
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 3: the here and I think he'll be a very solid

835
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: starter for them.

836
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely. It's a good running back, John. He's a

837
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: good running back, is he? But he does Saquon things

838
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: where he you know, he'll get you those odds. He's good.

839
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: He has good hands, John, He'll get you catch you know,

840
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: he'll get your receptions.

841
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: The only thing he's lacking is that top end breakaway

842
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 3: speed I means, and he can do everything else right, right,

843
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: He's not a home one.

844
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: Hit up, but he could do everything else. And and

845
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: I know, I know I might have set some Saquon

846
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: fans with this, but he's a better pass pro running

847
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 2: back than Saquon.

848
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: Okay, now, Saquon did get a lot better about at

849
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: that last. Yes, but.

850
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not yet. I'm just saying, you know that

851
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: wasn't okay. You know he you know you watch Singletary though,

852
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: and he's a pretty good pass pro back, now is he.

853
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: Of course he's not Saquon Barkley. I'm not saying that,

854
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: but he's a very good back. Obviously they're very familiar

855
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 2: with Evan from Buffalo. But he's a guy who's gonna

856
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: give you yards, he's gonna give you catches. Look, he

857
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: didn't bring how much would he sign for? Right? Not

858
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: a guy I signed for ten million eleven mine? Yeah,

859
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: nice price, nice price tag on for a very good player.

860
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: And I was look, I think they had that lined

861
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: up where they kind of knew John that Sakorn probably

862
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna be here again, and he had guys lined up,

863
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: and I was one of them for sure.

864
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 3: All right, Chris, let's jump over to the draft now

865
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: before we wrap this sucker up. Sitting there at six,

866
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: we already kind of touched on the quarterback. You can

867
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: circle back there if you want to. What are your

868
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 3: overall thoughts here at number six? To me, you look

869
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: at the at the group of skill position guys on

870
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 3: this team now, Chris, and you'll go to have a

871
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: chance to get a guy who would be a top

872
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: ten wide receiver in any draft, whether it's neighbors, whether

873
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: it's a doomsday whether who knows Marvin Iverson Jr.

874
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: You never know who's gonna be there at six when

875
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: the Giants pick.

876
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: I would have a hard time believing, given what Joe

877
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: Shane and Brian dabelesaw on Buffalo and how much Stefan

878
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: Diggs edition help that offense in their quarterback up there,

879
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: that they would pass on one of those top wide

880
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 3: receivers if they're sitting there at six and the whole

881
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: quarterback thing doesn't work out.

882
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: John, I couldn'tgree with you, all, bro. I mean, if

883
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: the quarterback thing doesn't work for them, if it doesn't

884
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: work out. I don't think there's any way they you know, John,

885
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: I look at the I've seen these three kids in

886
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: college like you have, and I've watched a lot of

887
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: tape on them, and I gotta be on honest with you, John.

888
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: I look at Marvin, and I look at Rome, and

889
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 2: I look at elite names, and to me, these are three.

890
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: I hate to see this because they haven't played a

891
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: snapping NFL, but these are three can't miss wide receivers,

892
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: in my opinion, guys that are gonna come in and

893
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: make an impact. Put them on the X and they're

894
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: gonna make an impact for you. Man, I look at them.

895
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: I just love all three, and to me, there is

896
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: no way. Look, Daniel Jones has not had a number

897
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: one receiver since he's been here. Daniel Jones, people is

898
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: going to be the quarterback here in September. Whether you

899
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: like it or not, He's going to be their quarterback. Okay,

900
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: the kid has never had a true number one receiver.

901
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: Well guess what, right, John, This freedom right there, threedom

902
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: and the Giants are going to have a pick on one. Hey, John,

903
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: you know a month ago, if I would mean you

904
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: would have talked to either via text or on your show,

905
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 2: and I would have said, you notice a shot they're

906
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: gonna get in MOREBN Harson. You would have said, Chris,

907
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: do me your favorite stop drinking when you come on

908
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: my shows. There's no chance to they getting Marvin Harvison.

909
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: He's going to Well guess what a month later now

910
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: where we're still a month on the draft. Don't get

911
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 2: me wrong, here's a chance there's a possibility the Giants

912
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: could land Marvin Harrison junr.

913
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: Well, let me play you this late Chris, two years

914
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 3: or two years ago now, right, If I would have

915
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: told you when the Giants are picking at it was

916
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: five and seven, right, the thiboda'neally, Yes, five seven. At

917
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 3: this time that year, we thought Thibodeau had a good

918
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: chance of being either the first or second defensive end taken,

919
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 3: and Neil was gonna be the first offensive tackle taken.

920
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: If I told you those guys would have been available

921
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: five and seven that year, you would have told me

922
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 3: I was crazy.

923
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

924
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 2: I would have said you nuts, Yeah, absolutely, And here

925
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: we are ton, here we are a month away, and

926
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: the way it's shaping up, the way JJ McCarthy's stock

927
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: has is rising. You could have the first four picks,

928
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: you know, in Arizona trades out quarterback.

929
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 3: And the market is gonna be so hot too, because

930
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: the Raiders, the Broncos, the Vikings, they're all gonna be

931
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: bidding for that pick.

932
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and the Bikes have two number ones to play with. Okay,

933
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: so they're gonna be very aggressive. Kevin O'Connell's gonna be

934
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 2: very aggressive. Okay, they're gonna And if they have JJ

935
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: at top four grade. Now, like I said, like we

936
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: talked about the beginning of this, right, we don't know

937
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 2: how these guys, how these teams have these guys graded.

938
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: But say argument's sake, they have J in the top

939
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: four grade, Okay, or even even if JJ goes third

940
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: and have Jayden Daniels the top four whatever, guess what

941
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: the draft Millie starts to pick. Now, Okay, with the charges,

942
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: the first four could go quarterbacks. And now, so what

943
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: are the charges thing? Well, guess what they got Justin Herbert.

944
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: They might say, well, we're not passing up on a

945
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: Joe wall. Hey, you know what we need, you know

946
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: what we feel brock Bows is a difference maker for

947
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert and on our offense, Okay, we're gonna go

948
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: with him at five. Okay, we don't know. That's the

949
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: point I'm mating. I mean, you do you realize I'm

950
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Jr. And in my opinion, John, this is

951
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: just my opinion, he's still the best receiver in this draft. Okay, Okay,

952
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 2: can do you now realize that Marvin Harrison Jr. Could

953
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: fall into the Giants' laps at six if Joe is

954
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: an aggressive moving up or they don't, if they don't

955
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 2: go quarterback, or how it plays that. I'm just talking

956
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: about hypothetical. Okay, Marvin Harrison Jr. Could be a giant

957
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: if not. John, You look at them elite neighbors. You

958
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: look at Roman Dune, say, dude, I've seen these guys.

959
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: You've seen him. They're so impressive. John, This to me,

960
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: they come in from day one and then an impact impact.

961
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: You put them on the X and there you go,

962
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: there's your number one, and all of a sudden, the

963
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: Giants have a pretty damn good receiving group, right.

964
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think all those guys would elevate what

965
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 3: Hide and one, Neil Robinson and slaves you do, right,

966
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: It just makes it easier for those other three.

967
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: Guys absolutely, and if Dann Wallace back, it makes it

968
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 2: easier for him too. Okay, so hey, that's I don't

969
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: think there's any way John, that if the quarterback thing

970
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: doesn't work out, they don't go with uh a wide

971
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: receiver at number six. That's my opinion.

972
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: But could you if it's not a receiver, h what

973
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: else could you sell to Giant fans as being a

974
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: logical move?

975
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: Obviously offensive line will tackle, then I think that you

976
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: look at it. If they don't go wide receiver, then

977
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: you get your tackle, and then you take it from there.

978
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: Offensive line we'll look you know, right, because that's something

979
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: Obviously they haven't had a good offensive line of low time.

980
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: If if they don't go receiver route, then obviously they

981
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: have a guy like let's see Jolt or the Kiffer

982
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: Penn State or the other grate it up there and

983
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 2: they say, Okay, we'll get this kid in here. Okay,

984
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna upgrade this offensive line and we'll

985
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: work out the right tackle, all that stuff all until

986
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: But but I'll tell you what, John, call me crazy man,

987
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: but I also will not It would not shock me

988
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 2: say they don't go out of receiving quarterback, the whole

989
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: deal they got, the sitting there at six, It would

990
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: not shock me for a brock bow.

991
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: No, there we go. That's what I like. A wild card.

992
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: I'm telling you John what I'm If I'm sitting in

993
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: the Meetia room that Thursday night and the Giants go

994
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: brock Bows at six, I'm not gonna sit there and go,

995
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: what what are you af I'll be like, Okay, you

996
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: know it would not shock me. I think personally, like

997
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: you just asked me, I think it's wide receive an

998
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 2: old question, but the wild card, like you just said,

999
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: flock Bowles.

1000
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, OK.

1001
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: And we'll see what happens with Darren Waller. Obviously there's

1002
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: still some you know, mystery regarding that.

1003
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: Don't know what's going on.

1004
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. And Brock Bowers is an excellent

1005
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: football player.

1006
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 3: I think I would have trouble picking them over one

1007
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: of those wide receivers, I think. But I think it's interesting,

1008
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: all right, Day two? What would you be your focus,

1009
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: Chris in terms of trying to fill those knees? I imagine

1010
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 3: giving our previous conversation, secondary would any defensive tackle would

1011
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: would would would probably be your two big focuses.

1012
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think cornerback in that second round, John is

1013
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: something has to be looked at. Safety in the middle rounds,

1014
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: defensive line, another defensive line, and another god, look another

1015
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: you have six picks, okay, bringing another god you know,

1016
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: the fourth round of you know, whatever it might be,

1017
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: you know, bring bring another young kid. And he had

1018
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 2: the offensive line, all right, But to me, John, that's

1019
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: second round. You have to seriously look at cornerback, you know.

1020
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: And there's some good corners. There's some good corners in

1021
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 2: his second and third round. You know that are going

1022
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: to be out there. And to me, you have since

1023
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: they didn't address it in free agency, right, John, You

1024
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 2: always got to free agency always kind of dictates a

1025
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 2: little bit what they're gonna do in the draft, right

1026
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: that kind of not everything, not everything, but it kind

1027
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: of dictates what they're gonna do. Well, they haven't signed

1028
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: a cornerback, okay, and phrase it at least yet, they

1029
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: haven't brought in a guy. So to me, that's second round.

1030
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: You gotta get that out of the corner, okay. And

1031
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: then obviously safety in the invest of the rounds, and

1032
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: I like to see a defensive linement. And I like

1033
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: to see another guarden here.

1034
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: How about a running back?

1035
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: You know, and once look in the middle round running

1036
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: back wouldn't surprised me.

1037
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: Yea four something like that?

1038
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? That Look how many? How many good backs have

1039
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: taken third round, fourth round? I mean how many? Holy crap,

1040
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: We've had a guy that was taken in the seventh

1041
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: round and won back to back super Bowls and you

1042
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: know it's been part of a back to back super

1043
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: bowl team in Pachecko. You know, so, but that w

1044
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: one't surprise me either. But I think that cornerback is

1045
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: position that's second round. They have to fall us in

1046
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: on John and try to get that guy opposite today.

1047
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, Chris?

1048
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: Anything else that you think we missed that that that

1049
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 3: you want to touch on Giants offseason wise, that that

1050
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: you think we should touch on before we say goodbye.

1051
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: No, I think we covered it, buddy. It's gonna be

1052
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: a fascinating what they do, you know. Obviously, Look, we

1053
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: know John we discussed here. Quarterback is something they're very

1054
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: interested in, and it's gonna be interesting to see how

1055
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 2: if they could if they do draft one, if they're aggressive,

1056
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: if they move up and all that. So to me,

1057
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: that's obviously what I think of all the Giant nation

1058
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: is keeping an eye on what the hell do they do?

1059
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: Do they go out and draft the quarterback April twenty fifth,

1060
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: So that's gonna be the fascinating question, buddy.

1061
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: And it'll be about a month or so of people

1062
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 3: reading their hands about what they're gonna do, So it

1063
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: should be fun. You can keep jack of all that

1064
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: with Giants Insider, also of course giants dot Com The

1065
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 3: Giants Bow Blap. Chris Bisignano from Giants Insider, Chris, we

1066
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: appreciate the time, my friend. Enjoy the next few weeks

1067
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: and we'll see at the pre draft press conference and

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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks when Joe Shane manages to tell

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Speaker 3: us nothing over the course of thirty it'll be a

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Speaker 3: great time for everybody.

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Speaker 2: John, it's been a pleasure. Thanks for having me back on, buddy.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk soon.

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Speaker 3: Join us on the next Johns Little Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 3: you by Citizens, the Official Bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: For Chris, I'm Schmelck. We'll see you next time.