1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stephane. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: Never told you protection of I Heart Radio. So Samantha, 3 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: here's my question. We've discussed before we are runners. I 4 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: say that with quote around the quotation marks around that 5 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: for me specifically, yes, which actually we're going to talk 6 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: about a little bit in this episode. But okay, so 7 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: it sounds to me like, you know, you've got a 8 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: bit of a it's not necessarily your favorite thing, and 9 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm just curious how and why you got into it, 10 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: right uh, And I think I want to talk a 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: little bit more about later. But essentially I needed a 12 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: stress reliever when I was working with the Department filing 13 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: Children's services because all I actually did was sit and 14 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: eat fast food because this job was so stressful and 15 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: also time consuming, and also because I pretty much got 16 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: paid less than minimum wage, I couldn't afford Jim's. They're 17 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: freaking expensive, um. And at that point I was more 18 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: in the suburban areas of Georgia, so of course limited 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: in that as well. So my only other option was running, 20 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: and so walking around the neighborhood and walking I like it, 21 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: but I would like going fast pace. And then I 22 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: love good music. So having that paired motivated me to 23 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: start running, and then I needed goals. So the way 24 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: I actually ran truly ran. I Uh my first race 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: was the Peachtree Road Race and I did that most 26 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: and then after I did that race, I kind of 27 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: got addicted to the racing component. Yeah. Well the virtual 28 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: race for that is this weekend. Yeah. Okay, what's your 29 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: some of you go to you songs on your playlist? 30 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: What are you listening to? Oh? My goodness, Uh, I 31 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: have a lot of hip hop on there. Obviously that 32 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: the press that that is my go to and it 33 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: keeps me going. Um, I'm trying to think. I would 34 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: have to go back through the list. I think the 35 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: first song, but you know what, I have some Taylor 36 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: Swift on there. Yeah, yeah, it got me motivated. I 37 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: have Uh let's see what the donnas. I'm pulling up 38 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: my list right now, just so y'all know, okay, weeting 39 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: giving you a serious rundown. It's been a very long 40 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: time though, since I've even pulled up that list, So 41 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: thanks for the reminder. Uh, any, I live to live 42 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: things you don't want to be Remember that song? Yeah, 43 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: but it's very outdated. Now, what about you. Uh So, 44 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: I've told the story before of how I got into running, 45 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: but briefly because I don't know if I told you, Samantha. Um. 46 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: I was a really active child and I ran a 47 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: lot for sports, but I wasn't like running necessarily until college, 48 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: and I, you know, it embarrasses me to say it's true. 49 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: There was a guy I wanted to impress, and um 50 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: we're on my campus. There we played a game called 51 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: Humans Versus Zombies, which from what I understand, they still play, 52 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: although I'm sure during this pandemic they don't and it 53 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: might feel weird afterwards. But it was like this running 54 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: game where you, as a human, you wore these bandanas 55 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: to demarcate which one you were human or zombie, and 56 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: zombies could turn you into human. It was like tag um. 57 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: But I got really fast because of it, Like I 58 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: did uphill sprints to get faster. I wanted to be 59 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: really good at this very dorky game, and I got 60 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: really good at it um, And then after that it 61 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: just became something that I did because we played it. 62 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: I played it every year and I just never never 63 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: stopped until our recent quarantine times and today's book. We're 64 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: gonna be talking your eyes made me miss it so so, 65 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: so so much. Um But I have two playlists for running. 66 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: I have one for shorter, faster races, and I have 67 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: one for longer races. The one for longer races has 68 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: over a thousand songs on it, and some of them 69 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: are really slow songs that I think people would be 70 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: really annoyed at. But I like am I like get 71 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: in that state of mind where you're just thinking about 72 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: things and then some dramatic soundtrack song comes on. I 73 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: love it. Um but I got really into like the 74 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: beats per minute and what song and what songs are 75 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: at this beat per minute? It will make me run 76 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: at this pace. That's the whole thing. Yeah, it's really good. 77 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: I know. For a while I tried to listen to podcasts, 78 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: um but I would actually have conversations with myself and 79 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: or laugh out loud while running, and I thought that 80 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: was a little too much while running on things like 81 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: the belt line. Yeah. And then I also tried the 82 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: zombie running app. Have you tried that one? I got 83 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: and die every time within the first five minutes I died. 84 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, son of up hitch. So I've put 85 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: that one real quick I never died, but it gets 86 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: really sad. Like some of the characters you get attached to, 87 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: you die and you're like, oh, yeah, you have to 88 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: pick this up, you have to go over here, you 89 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: have to do this, and then it tells you, oh, 90 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: zombies right there. Oh you died. Mm hmm. It's called 91 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: zombies Run for anyone who's interested, it's very fun. I 92 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: like it. And yeah, I know a lot of you 93 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: listeners listen to this very podcast or other podcast when 94 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: you run, and I love that. Um oh, so if 95 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: you're running right now, get it. Proud of you. Get it. 96 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: We're proud of you. We're rooting for you. Um. Speaking 97 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: of listeners, this episode, this book that we're talking about 98 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: today was a listener suggestion from Carrie. So thank you, Carrie. Yes, yes, 99 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: because we're today we're talking about the book, a beautiful 100 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: work in progress by Myrna Valerio, who I actually met 101 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: at um A. We hiked a heal event which Samantha 102 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: and I discussed way back when in our Trauma series, 103 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: and we got to interview the people who created that organization, 104 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: which is really great. I was very jealous. I wanted 105 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: to meet her, but I ended up having to work, 106 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: I think, and I couldn't come. Yeah, it was a 107 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: beautiful event. Um So mer now also runs the uh 108 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: and Yes that was fun, Thank you, the blog Fat 109 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: Girl Running, and in both these mediums she delves into 110 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: her experience entering the world of running and particularly trail 111 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: running as a black fat woman in traditionally white, skinny spaces. 112 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: She's inner forties, and she keeps a slow pace, other 113 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: things that don't fit the stereotypical mold of what we 114 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: think of when we think of a runner necessarily, but 115 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: she is absolutely an athletes. Doing the work and existing 116 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: in these places publicly is important to her, so she 117 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: can break down the idea of what athletes quote should 118 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: look like and motivate others who aren't used to seeing 119 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: someone who looks like them in the spaces. miRNA was 120 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 1: named National Geographics in Venture of the Year, so congrats 121 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: on that, and she's been featured in and written for 122 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: all kinds publications from Women's Running Magazine to BuzzFeed. She 123 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: also gives speeches and holds retreats, which I would love 124 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: to be a part of those two. Um. Yeah. So 125 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: the plot largely revolves around her path to becoming a 126 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: runner an ultra marathon or which I'm like, Wow, I 127 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: cannot believe that the idea of going beyond half of 128 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: marathon to me or half marathon's was too much. Uh 129 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: the stories I've heard from that it was too much 130 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: for me. So that's amazing and all the influences that 131 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 1: motivated that decision and keep her going. She's obviously super 132 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: impressive and she's called the motivator for a reason, which 133 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: is perfect for her. I think her persists to put 134 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: one ft in front of the other to keep going 135 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: is beyond inspiring. And she's really honest in what this 136 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: level of running requires, the way your body may react, 137 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: she describes racist she's run key events from her life 138 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: that helped her make her who she was, and successes 139 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: and failures, although she frames them in a more constructive light. Yeah, 140 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: which I gotta say. I loved her take of you know, 141 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: maybe I didn't finish this race, but I completed twenty 142 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: eight kilometers of whatever it was, right, and that's nothing 143 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: to cease. Yeah, it was actually really beautiful to want 144 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: to listen to her about when she didn't finish her 145 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: race and talking about whether or not to go into 146 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: the next one and feeling embarrassed or feeling um like 147 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: she didn't accomplish it. But then they're thinking that things 148 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: through would be like no, I did this much, and 149 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: not only did I I do this much, but I 150 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: have to prepare for the next one and the next one, 151 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: like she never stopped, which I would have been like, 152 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: not good, I'm good now. Well, And I think it 153 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: takes a really great strength to recognize and this was 154 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: something I never fully mastered to recognize, you know what. 155 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: I could keep going maybe, but I will really damage 156 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: my body and I won't be able to do the 157 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: next race. To be able to respect your body in 158 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: that way and listen to your body in that way, 159 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: I think is fantastic and amazing and a skill in itself, 160 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: and that is nothing to see. That's amazing, like that 161 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: you did that much? Um. And it was really cool 162 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: to read for me because I've had a lot of 163 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: similar experiences unting that she has, which we're going to 164 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: go into in a little bit. Minus the fact I've 165 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: only run a marathon, I've never done more than that, 166 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: and I put only in front of marathon and marathon 167 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: is still pretty good. Yeah that's two miles, so yeah, 168 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: you're fine, yes, yes, And to be honest, like, to 169 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: be completely honest, I've never wanted to do more than that, 170 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: but I super respect people that do. Um. And a 171 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: lot of the stuff she writes about is in Georgia, 172 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: so I think both you and I Samanth to recognize 173 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: some of those places, and that was really cool. And 174 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: she currently lives in Northern Georgia, I believe. Um. Yeah, 175 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: so that was a lot of fun in North Georgia 176 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: because you know, the book begins in East l J, 177 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: which is actually my hometown. This is where I grew up. 178 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: I was like, wait, I don't know if I've ever 179 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: seen l J mentioned in any national book ever. Yeah, 180 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: that was great. At a moment of pausing, like what 181 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: what and Raven is that No, that's Gilmer Rayven County 182 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: is farther up. I think that's where she loves is 183 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: rap Okay, Okay, she is in the mountains. She is 184 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: in the mountains. I can say that for sure. Um. 185 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: It feels so creepy to be like, this is where 186 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: she lives. So we've never met her, but she says it. 187 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: The books around a lot, so and she also travels 188 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: a lot for racing, which again I actually wanted to 189 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: do that at one point in time that I wanted 190 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: to go to each state and do a half. Marily 191 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: made three. Oh that's still that's pretty good. I think 192 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: I've only done too So you got maybe Georgia Florida. Um, yeah, 193 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: if you have the book, there are themes of family, 194 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: of friendship, the power of kindness, the power of determination, 195 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: the power of self love. Um. And related to this episode, 196 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: if you want, We've done past episodes on the feminism 197 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: of running, of hiking, and uh, something called jim timidation, 198 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: which is basically being intimidated go to the gym because 199 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: of a lot of a lot of pressures put on 200 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: women and how they should look. So those episodes exist. 201 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: But I kind of wanted to take this moment, Samantha 202 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: and just talk about running for a minute, because it 203 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: is something that I do love and I absolutely miss, 204 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: but I also kind of don't. There was a part 205 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: of me that was like, wow, you can't run now, 206 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: and I really did need the break I've talked about 207 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: before I turned running into kind of a really bad 208 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: coping mechanism. Um. So I just wanted to talk about 209 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: why we like running, or why perhaps we don't like running. 210 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: So one thing that comes up a lot in this 211 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: book is Mere and I having these moments of just 212 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: absolutely hating what she's doing and questioning why she's doing it, 213 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: but then kind of coming back to herself like, no, 214 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: I chose to do this, I signed up to do this, 215 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: I trained for this, And I can relate to that 216 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: so hard right of having those moments of like just 217 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: absolutely hating running, especially when you're like far away from 218 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: your home and you know the only way to get 219 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: back is to either continue running, keep a walk which 220 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: will take forever, are heaven forbid called lift or something, 221 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: and have to explain your situation, which I had had 222 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: friends do, and just thinking why am I doing this? 223 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: Why am I doing this to myself? And I don't know. 224 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: I just I just really love it. I love how 225 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: it makes me feel strong. I love like this feeling 226 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: which I haven't added a long time, by the way, 227 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: because quarantine, but of like when you take the steps 228 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: to it at time and your thigh muscles just feel 229 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: so strong. I love that, and I love how you 230 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: feel afterwards. It's like, um, well, for me, I feel 231 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: like I can solve any problem and I feel totally rejuvenated. 232 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: Sometimes I would send emails after work after I'd run, 233 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: and people will be like, are you drunk, And I'm like, no, 234 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: I just run, man um. And then I would do 235 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: things like I wake up at four I'm on weekends, 236 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: and I would drink terrible coffee because I just needed 237 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: the caffeine, and I run anywhere from ten to twenty 238 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: miles um. And I did that for years. But all 239 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: that being said, it took a long time for me, 240 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: Like if you had asked me even like three years ago, 241 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have said I'm a runner necessarily um. And 242 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: it took a long time for me to claim that 243 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: are to think of myself as an athlete. And like 244 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: I said, I played a lot of sports as a child. 245 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: But when pubity hit uh, and boys got all weird 246 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: about naming girls boobs after states. Uh, I was too 247 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: self conscious about my body. What this didn't happen at 248 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: your school. This isn't like a universal so you would 249 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: get it. You would get a nickname based on well, 250 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: like while you were running, based on the like mountainous 251 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: of the state of how big your boobs were. Um. 252 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: Maybe it's because I didn't run in high school. But 253 00:13:54,840 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: what all that happened in middle school. Man, Okay, it's 254 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: younger than that. It was awful. There's definitely a big 255 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: gap between your age and my age. But okay, I'm 256 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: gonna have to chewing that for a little bit. Keep going, 257 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: keep going, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, and I 258 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: thought it was too chubby for sports, so that I 259 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: was too weak for them and wasn't good enough. H yeah. 260 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until a few years ago. I was 261 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: buying a new pair of running shoes and the salesperson 262 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: was asking me how many miles I ran a week, 263 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, so you're pretty much running 264 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: at half marathon every weekend. After I told her, and 265 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: I just blinked at her for a moment, kind of 266 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: shocked because I had never thought of it that way 267 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: because I wasn't doing races. I was just running. I 268 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: was just running and I wasn't a runner, right, But 269 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: she was she was correct, I was I was doing that. 270 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: And before you yell at me, I know that's not healthy. 271 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: I was really bad at tapering. I was really bad 272 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: at taking breaks. As I said, it was a skill 273 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: I did not pick up, and I pade the price 274 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: for it. Um and this is something the book absolutely 275 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: touches on on the this disconnect between how an athlete 276 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: should look and even perform and the reality of the 277 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: wide variants of what we do look like and what 278 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: constitutes an athlete. There are so many things I've done 279 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: that I never thought I would be able to do. 280 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: If you'd asked me ten years ago, I would be like, no, 281 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna run a marathon. And that thought I'd 282 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: heard it from other people and I did internalized it 283 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: and it held me back, absolutely held me back. Yeah. 284 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: I do love that she not only talks about that 285 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: within running, but she talks about in her career, her 286 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,359 Speaker 1: love of music, her love of literature, like this already 287 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: bias towards her and obviously she doesn't know these things. 288 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: And then she also talks about that when meeting her husband, 289 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: she got to flip that on him and she's like, oh, 290 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: he's never read this book, and then he did. She's like, well, 291 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: damn you. And I love that she does talk about 292 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: those perspectives being broken and those uh stereotypes being broken 293 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: and she just did it her way, she did it 294 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: what she loved. And again her she talks about the 295 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: insecurities that she had and people being judgmental, but the 296 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: support group that she had that pushed her even better, 297 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: Like I love all of those. Um As for running, 298 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: I was the same way. I am definitely the person 299 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: who is all or none. So if I'm not the 300 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: best at it, I'm not going to do it. That 301 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: was my mentality all growing up. And that's a lot 302 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: to do with my uh inability to try because of 303 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: my self worth, self esteem and I'm likely assuming I 304 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: can't do this. So running was one of the things 305 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: of like, why can't I do this? This is this 306 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: is the easier one, like instead of rock climbing or 307 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: instead of like for some reason, it was a huge 308 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: thing while I was in college for people do trapeeze workouts. Yeah, 309 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: so I was like, I can't do that. That's not something. 310 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: I was like, No, I'm good, good about that. Um. 311 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: But I didn't start running, like you said until a 312 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: lot later. Um, partially because me being chunky and sick. 313 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: I I didn't want I was too embarrassed to work 314 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: out because I didn't want people to judge me for 315 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: being too big to do workouts, which is you know, 316 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: this is a narrative that we have seen, whether it's 317 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: people bullying people at gyms. That's what we talked about 318 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: the previous episodes where it has been talked about in 319 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: previous episodes. It's that same narrative that you allowed to 320 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: perpetuate in your mind that stops you before from the beginning. Um. 321 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: But for me, when I was in UH defacts and 322 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: going through all of the stress and emotions and the 323 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: triggering and the PTSD, I had to do something and 324 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: I could not afford all these things. And realizing that 325 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: maybe if I put money down for a race that 326 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: six months ahead, I could do it. Maybe I can 327 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: do this, and that was kind of the whole thing. 328 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: I actually was motivated by race by race by race. 329 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: So I did a lot of five k's, a lot 330 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: of ten ks uh, several half fair thoughts. I couldn't 331 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: go beyond that, which I've never in more than I 332 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: think sixteen miles. So for you to do what you 333 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: did every weekend, yeah, girl, I don't know how you're standing. 334 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: That seems impossible because I know a lot of people 335 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: do run, but they also notitate breaks they have to 336 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: because their body will just um collapse a lot of 337 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: the times. But all that to say, the one time 338 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: that I ran the sixteen miles because I got lost 339 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: and I was very miserable, and the last three miles 340 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: with me pretty much walking trying to figure out where 341 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: the hell I was. I didn't have my phone on me. 342 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: I don't think that day for some weird reason, or 343 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: I did, or it died. Yeah, it died because I 344 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: was too full. Oh no, so all of those things. 345 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: I didn't have my wallet on me. I didn't have 346 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: anything on me because I just go. My whole thing 347 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: is take a key, be as you know, less as possible. 348 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: So that long run that was hell. Like that was 349 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: probably the most miserable. But I loved that because afterwards 350 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: I counted my miles and doughnuts. That's how I would 351 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: say it, so like every mile one donut, every mile, 352 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: one donut. So I would tell people I could have 353 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: six donuts. Now, after I do a half marathon, I'll 354 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: be like, I can have thirteen donuts now. Like it's 355 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: kind of that thing that I also was like a 356 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: high for me too. I remember I finished mine in 357 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: BALTI more in Baltimore, d C. But they my friends 358 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: picked me up after had finished the race, and I 359 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: was blabbering like I was high the entire time. I 360 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: could not stop um. And I think also because I 361 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: had my best time there, so I was like, yeah, 362 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: I did it, Um, that was something to accomplish. But yeah, 363 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: it's also hate it because being motivated, trying to get 364 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: myself motivated as part of the hardest parts. And then 365 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: in Georgia this kind of rough, uh the landscape. I 366 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: did one five k. It was only a five k, 367 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: but it was so hilly that it was one of 368 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: the hardest races I'd ever done. And my friend who 369 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: was with me and I had gotten her to start 370 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: running with me. Um, this was her first race. She 371 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: was crushing me the entire way there and afterwards would 372 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: not talk to me for thirty minutes because I had known. 373 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: And after that, every time I had suggested rations she did, 374 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: she did it too, and she loved She wanted to 375 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: come back. After she actually uh started running, she was like, 376 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: I'm not letting you trick me into this, and she 377 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: would look at every race I was just to see 378 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: the health points before she would say yes for me. 379 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: That's so funny because in the book Mereness, friends did 380 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: that with her too. This is a trick. Yeah, you're 381 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: trying to so angry. I'm so angry with you. I 382 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: started loving like, yeah, nuts, and I did. I was 383 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: like that, that's my bad. Yeah yeah. I mean I 384 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: got a lot of friends into running races and experienced 385 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: the same thing. Um. And also just to say, like, 386 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: there is an interesting juxtaposition because I too, like there 387 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: there came a point and I'm going to talk about 388 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: this a little bit more in a second, where I 389 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: did start experiencing health problems because I was running too 390 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: much and I really wanted to stay fit, but I 391 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: was trying to find alternatives to running. And there are 392 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: absolutely alternatives out there that are free. But I too 393 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: did not have the kind of money and time for 394 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: Jim because there wasn't anything like super Close that I 395 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: was interested in. And running is free. But then once 396 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: you are like doing these kinds of things, you gotta 397 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: pay for the race, you gotta pay for the shoe, right, Um, 398 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 1: So there is and we talked about that in our 399 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: episode and running there is certainly a level of privilege 400 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 1: there um, But it is before that point in theory free, right. 401 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: Hopefully you have something new, if it's something you want 402 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: to do. Also, you need to live in an area 403 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: where you can run um, which not everyone has access to. 404 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: But I'll have to say I have more thoughts on running, 405 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: but first we're gonna pause for a quick freak for 406 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. I'm back, thank you sponsored. So 407 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: I do want to run through a real quick list 408 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: of things that I connected to in this book that 409 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: I thought was great because, like we said, she's so 410 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: open in this book about like the things that had 411 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: been to your body when you run right, especially for 412 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: long distances. One is shaping. Oh my gosh. When she 413 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: wrote about that, I was like, thank you, thank you, 414 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: because I remember explaining to my friends once, say kept 415 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: telling me, oh, this is such an embarrassing story. But 416 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: they were like, please take a shower, and I was like, 417 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: I gotta build up to it. I gotta build up. 418 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: And they were like why, and I was like, the 419 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: shaping is going to be painful. Yeah. I remember when 420 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: I tried to figure out what was happening um in 421 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: certain spots in my body, I was like, why is 422 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: that raw? What's happening? What's happening? And then finding that 423 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: there are actual products, like when you go to the 424 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 1: expos before races, like Oh, that's what that's for, Like 425 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: that's a whole new discover, right, And she kind of 426 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: talks about that finding in the equipment that she needs 427 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: to be successful. But yes, definitely, after you go through 428 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: all of these things, you're like, oh, yeah, I may 429 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: need that. Yeah. And I once this has never happened 430 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: me before or since, but once I ran after Erathon 431 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: in a white T shirt and I listeners, I got 432 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: the bloody nipples. Yeah. And I can't explain why or how. 433 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,719 Speaker 1: It's not like I've never not run that distance in 434 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: that sports bra, but for whatever reason, know that he 435 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: the humidity. It does remind me of the Office episode 436 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: where he's only running like, uh half a CAFCA essentially 437 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: better before No, no, no, it's uh Andy Andy who's 438 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: like putting the thing everywhere on him because like eye 439 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: shape and Linda, and then he still ended up being bloody. 440 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: He's like holding the shirt whale. Yeah, it was embarrassing. 441 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: My co host server Savor Lauren was there and another 442 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: friend of ours and they were like, uh, you have 443 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: another shirt you know. Anyway. Another thing they talk about 444 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: she talks about in the book is planter or fasciitus, 445 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: which I also have um, which is incredibly painful and 446 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: hard to get rid of. But basically it's like the 447 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: arch of your foot painful. Yeah, just hurts, It just hurts. Um. Also, 448 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: she writes about the time she fractured her ankle running 449 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: and this also happened to me during a trail race. 450 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: And I finished the race, it was like five miles, 451 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: and then I went to work for two days after that, 452 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: and then I couldn't fit my foot in my shoe anymore, 453 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: and my mom made me go to the hospital and 454 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: then I got fired from my job. So rough week. Yeah, 455 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, every time I think about trail running, I 456 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: whenever I would do hiking, like intensive hiking, at least 457 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: once every few trips, I would spring my ankle, like 458 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: to the point that I've always carried a bandage ace 459 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: bandage with me because I've done it so much of 460 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: my partners of people who would go with me and 461 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: be like, my god, how clumsy are you? So as 462 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: much as I love trail running because it's better for 463 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: your knees and all of that, because it's not concrete 464 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: that danger for me, I was like, nope, no, I don't. 465 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: I don't to roll down a hill and die. Yeah, 466 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely been something that stayed with me now. 467 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: And I'll just get I don't know if anyone else 468 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: does this, but I'll have like they're not premonitions, but 469 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: when I'm down going down the stairs or something, I'll 470 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: just have a flash of me falling down the stage. 471 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,959 Speaker 1: I do that all the time, you know, I'm thinking 472 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: with her falling and everything, you know, all that my 473 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: I try to and did sign up for the Uphill 474 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: race that's supposed to be the highest elevation in Georgia. 475 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: But and there were stories upon people about having to 476 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: chain themselves with each other to pull each other up 477 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: to the top of the mountain because of a run, 478 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: but because it's also dead winner m and at the 479 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: top you get hot chocolate and chili apparently, oh interesting, 480 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: and a very nice thick lon sleeve shirt. And I 481 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: signed up for it, and I didn't do it because 482 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't, I'll die. Sometimes you gotta respect 483 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: your your boundaries. And I'm just like, oh man, I 484 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: definitely rolled down that hill, yeah, I mean. And and 485 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: in the books she talks about some of the things 486 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: that she had to do on these races that I'm like, Wow, 487 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: that's dedication too. I just also love that she talks 488 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: about being dead last and she talks the d NF 489 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: or did not finish and then dead game last are 490 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: dead yeah, final last or something like that. Um, she 491 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: cars is in this one. But I love that she 492 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: was like, you know what was That's fine, but I 493 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: finished it. And I love that she takes that as 494 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: a prideful moment because you know, for everyone else, for 495 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: so many people who was like, oh, I'd rather not 496 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: do this if I can't be you know, but she 497 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: that does say more persistence to keep going and it 498 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: doesn't matter you're the last you did it. Well. Yeah, 499 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: I love that too. It was a really refreshing point 500 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: of view. Um. And one of the reasons she loves 501 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: this is because it's outdoors and it gives her this 502 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: time to think and ye meat bears that she does us. 503 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: So I've seen some bears on my runs for sure. Um. Yep. 504 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: She also talks about runners knee and hit problems, which 505 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: I too have. I have so many hit problems my 506 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: runners d I've been in physical therapy for years. Um. 507 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: She talks about the Runners runs, which is one of 508 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: my greatest bears. Which is diarrhea by the way, if 509 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: you don't know. And like the importance of planning out 510 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: what you're gonna eat and when you're gonna eat it, 511 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And then yeah, Georgia, it was really 512 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: cool hearing about that since this is our neck of 513 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: the woods, um, and it is being outside is a 514 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: big part of it for her, and it is for 515 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: me too. Um. I used to give myself these like 516 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: really tough problems to try to solve. I almost never 517 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: solved them on long runs, and I would just get 518 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: lost in thought and and and that feeling of moving 519 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: through nature. Ah, do you miss it? Um? She also 520 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: craves the challenge of the outdoors. She likes the weather 521 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: and the creatures, the bears, and she's running into about 522 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: She's running about all kinds of climates, environments, deserts, mountains. 523 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: She's run into problems like storms, mud, cacti, nonfunctioning head 524 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: lamps in the dark, all kinds of things. But she 525 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: does keep persisting, right, Um. I love her tails when 526 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: she does it like these different things, whether it's people 527 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: intervened and helped her, or she just really hoped for 528 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: the best, the best. Um. But yeah, I think for me, 529 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: like when we were talking about doing the races, and 530 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: for her to come to the mountains of Georgia. When 531 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: I went to high school in LG, Georgia, there was 532 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: not a single black family in that area. And for 533 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: her to come and race uh in a strange place 534 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: with I think it just was it. She was with 535 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: a friend, right, and that seemed like she had met 536 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: up with a lot of people that she met up 537 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: online or talked through the community. Um, doing this is 538 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: such a challenge, Like trying to do this on my 539 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: own in areas I know, I couldn't imagine, but her 540 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: going as a black woman into an area that is 541 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: very very backwoods intend purposes and that's in itself like wow, 542 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: I that alone would have made me say no, yeah, yeah, 543 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: And I just I respect her so much for um 544 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: she does make these friends and she like over Facebook 545 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,479 Speaker 1: groups that they meet up at these events and just talent. 546 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: It is it resolutely is um so something else And 547 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: thank you very much listeners, especially listeners who don't run, 548 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: hate running whatever for letting us geek out about running 549 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: for a second, because it is a huge part of 550 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: this book. UM. But we also wanted to talk about 551 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: another theme are themes that are kind of related, um, 552 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: which are body positivity, fat positivity, and self love, which 553 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: is huge in this And she really she's really open 554 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: with her experience of being judged like this throughout the book, 555 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: whether it's pro buying the shoes or whether it's entering 556 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: the race or training for races. Um as though she 557 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: can't possibly be athletic because of her size, going so 558 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: far as strang is calling her out online for being 559 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: a liar, and I loved the lie she talks about. 560 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: She's willing to go through these trolls. You know, she 561 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: talks about that and doesn't care because she loves it 562 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: for herself. Um, but people making assumptions about her diet, 563 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: about her health when she points up is bizarre and 564 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: absolutely is bizarre. She also had that several resources that 565 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: we've mentioned before, like Healthy at Any Size, and and yeah, 566 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: I think she's just amazing. She's in shape as hell 567 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: like and getting it done, like getting more done than 568 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: I have ever in my life. Yeah. And I mean 569 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: we we have talked about before how bizarre it is 570 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: that people people feel comfortable enough to call out your 571 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: health based on your size. And I know she talked 572 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: about and she loves food, and she she's very open 573 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: about you know, I love eating healthy food, but I 574 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: also love eating fast food, and you know, I feel 575 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: like it's pretty balanced. But people, I think she did 576 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: an article on some home cooked meals she'd done for 577 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: one of these websites, and people were just like yelling 578 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: at her for it. It's like why why? I mean, 579 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 1: that's the thing. He's like, why do people think they 580 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: can interject their anger for something that someone else is 581 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: doing for herself? Like, and she talked about loving pizza. Hell, yeah, 582 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,479 Speaker 1: I would eat pizza. That used to be my pre 583 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: race food, no post race food. Maybe about post race food. 584 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: I loved it and craved it every time. Yeah, me too. 585 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: And it was really really refreshing to hear from someone 586 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: writing about loving themselves despite the rigid Western beauty standards. Um, 587 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: While losing weight was a part of her initial push 588 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: to start running, it was all around health. That's why 589 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: she originally started doing it. And that was pretty refreshing too. 590 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: When you read about what she's accomplished and how powerful 591 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: her body is and how thankful she is her body, 592 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: it's just a breath of fresh air. I at least 593 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: I'm so used to people writing about like I could 594 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: do better, Um, dealing with grappling with um self loathing, 595 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: her self, self hatred, and to hear someone just be 596 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: like that, my body is is doing It's getting me 597 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: through these things. It's there for my son, It's there 598 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: for me like I love it. Um. There's also power 599 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: in making that choice of choosing to make your health 600 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: a priority when I feel like we are constantly barage 601 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: with this message of you are not perfect and you're 602 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: not worth it, so don't even try it, right, um. 603 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: And she dismisses the notion that to be a runner, 604 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: or to be an athlete at all, you have to 605 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: look a certain way. She knows she doesn't fit the 606 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: stereotypical profile of a runner, across country runner, an ultra runner. 607 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: She knows that a lot of times when people see 608 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: her they see a quote fat girl running, which is 609 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: where the name of her blog comes from. Right. And 610 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: as we talk about her saying fat girl this is 611 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: all for her. Yes, this is the label she has used. 612 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: And so we didn't want to read a couple of 613 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: excerpts out of the book. Uh, she she writes, quote, Uh, 614 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: this body is fierce, beautiful and unapologies at it. It's 615 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: meant to move through the world as it wishes, lifty 616 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: walking and running roles in all love, handles, bouncy boobs, curves, tummy, 617 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: but back that and all yes. And then She's also 618 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: been obviously interviewed in a lot of publications. Like we 619 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: said so in one interview she she wrote, my body 620 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: shape and size is not an asset for fast running, 621 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: but the fact that I have on my body is 622 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: definitely helpful in terms of endurance. I can run, bike 623 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: and walk forever. I faced some criticism, but it's usually 624 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: from people who are negative about everything. The sport is 625 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: largely very inclusive. If you look at any race, you'll 626 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: see a range of bodies tall, short, big, small, fat, whatever. 627 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: Those bodies are out there doing their thing. And even 628 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: if you don't have what's considered a typical quote runners body, 629 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: you can do it too. Um. And then when I 630 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: did that, we hike to heal events. The leaders of 631 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: the event had his journal a body promise where we 632 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: wrote down ways we weren't kind to our body, ways 633 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: we were thankful to our body, and how we could 634 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: be better to your body. And it's a really powerful exercise. 635 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: I still think about it to this day, and it 636 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: did give me a new respect for how kind of 637 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: dismisses I was being of of the things I could do, right, 638 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, the between the women from We Hiked 639 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: to Hill and Uh, miRNA, the conversation is that we 640 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: should be grateful to our bodies. I remember specifically during 641 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: our interview with them, how they talked about the fact 642 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: that we need to take time and say thank you 643 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: for getting us out of the bed, for walking us 644 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: to our car, like all these things, just to have 645 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: a process of acknowledging that, as much as we wish 646 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: to change everything, how much our body does for us. 647 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: And that was that whole conversation miRNA has within this 648 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: book as well. It is such a beautiful concept and 649 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: and trying to remind myself and I know any YouTube 650 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: throughout all these awful times, the small things such as 651 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: just walking, just moving, just breathing, we should be grateful 652 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: in to our bodies for doing these functions. Mm hmmm yeah. Um. 653 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: And there's something else we should be grateful for, and 654 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: that strong women. We're gonna get into that, but first 655 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 1: we're gonna pause for one more group break for word 656 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: from our sponsors and her back, thank you sponsor, right. 657 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: And she writes a lot about the toll of being 658 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: the bedrock of a family, of taking care of others UM, 659 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: something she saw and marveled at and her mom, but 660 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: also saw the physical impact it had on her by 661 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: the way. I feel like we're gonna address this soon enough, 662 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: but I've seen that so often placed on women, of 663 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: just the impact of caring for other people's families or 664 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: within your own family and beyond yourself. And for her 665 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: eventually herself when she had a health scare that turned 666 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: her life around, and she talked about the panic attacks 667 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: what she thought was a heart attack. You know, stuff 668 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: like that is such a scary, scary, uh perspective to 669 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: have and to try to figure out what is going 670 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: on within yourself. Yeah, And all of that stuff is 671 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: compounded by because she goes through her family and so 672 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: a lot of her family did have these like stress 673 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: related illnesses that led to their death UM at a 674 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: pretty young age. And and that is compounded by issues 675 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: of of race and of gender and of class, because 676 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, there the food you can afford based on 677 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: where you are and the jobs you have, and all 678 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: of this can compound and just build up, and it 679 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: is stressful, and we we do see that toll, physical 680 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: toll on your body. Um. And something else we've talked 681 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: about before is this whole idea of selfless uh and 682 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: that being a moral quality, especially as it applies to mothers, 683 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: and how damaging that can be, of never taking the 684 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: time for yourself. And that's a good thing. And then 685 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: your body will suffer for that any your an your 686 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: mental health as well, um. And so throughout this book 687 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: we see the power of strong supportive women and the 688 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: importance of that support. So many friends and family members 689 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: had the authors back, offering words of support, the motivation 690 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: she needed, the push she needed, and strangers to you, 691 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: I loved that. I love how many times she had 692 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: an instance with the stranger who's like, hey, are you 693 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: all right? What do you need? I'll go get it 694 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: for you. Like it was just really refreshing. And she 695 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: not only motivates herself, she motivates others in her life too, 696 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: from the students she teaches, to the people who follow 697 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: her blog, people who follow around social media, to people 698 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: who see her training or at races. Um. She forms 699 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: a bond with people, usually women at the back of 700 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: the pack, UM, and they call themselves the turtle. I 701 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: love that, but don't get it wrong. She's also competitive, 702 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: but it is often able to see the success in 703 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: what she herself is accomplishing. I love that she's not 704 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: looking at everyone else. She's looking at what her goals are. 705 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: UM at the back of the pack sometimes last, and 706 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: she inspires obviously a lot of people because of that, 707 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: because she doesn't quit, because she keeps moving forward. Even 708 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: if she doesn't finish, she'll be at that next race 709 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: trying harder. Yeah. Yeah, And like even if a few 710 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: times she does kind of compete with others, UM, it's 711 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: still much more about herself trying to prove this to herself. 712 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: And and that's something I've talked about. What I do 713 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: is I'll pick someone and I'll be like, oh, I'm 714 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: gonna get you. I'm gonna pass here. There's sometimes I don't. 715 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: There's always that one person I'm like, I'm gonna do 716 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: better than you. I'm gonna I'm gonna beat you because 717 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,879 Speaker 1: you have a stupid shirt on, because it says something 718 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: dumb on it or racist or sexist, I'm gonna beat you. 719 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,479 Speaker 1: I usually pick based on color, which is of the shirt. 720 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, if it's bright, because then I know 721 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: I can see it in the crowd. So it has 722 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: nothing to do usually with the person. Also, I tried 723 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: to pick someone that's reasonable. I think that I can 724 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: test them because one time I picked somebody I was like, 725 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: there was no way. What were you thinking? Yeah, I 726 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: thought that about kids. I'm like, I could beat No, 727 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: I can't beat her past me four times. Now you're 728 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: it's a good feeling because you're like, good for you, kid, 729 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: But you're also like, I don't like you, kid. Quit 730 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: using your youth against me. Yeah, the old There was 731 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: a teacher at my high school whom I love, Mr 732 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: cup Um, and he was like seventy mid seventies, and 733 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 1: I ran a race with him once in high school 734 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: and Lord helped me. He laughed for me so many times, 735 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: and he did it. He looked like he did it 736 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: in a way that looked like he wasn't even running, 737 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,720 Speaker 1: like he was in a slow but he was passing 738 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: me and he was smiling. He would say something to me, 739 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: Mr But good for you, Mr Kump. Anyway, all this 740 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: to say, um, you can do hard things, which is 741 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: a callback to one of our earlier books we did 742 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: in book club Untamed by Glenn and Doyle. Um. Yeah, 743 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: it's nothing that miRNA did was easy, but she did it, 744 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: and she continues to do it, and she continues to inspire, 745 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: and it was a joy to read. It did make 746 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: me very much miss running in the outdoors and hiking. Um, 747 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 1: I want to lie. I had a dream about it 748 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: after reading yeah about I need to get up, I 749 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,919 Speaker 1: need to go run. I gotta go run. I think 750 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,320 Speaker 1: I had to. I think I've been dreaming about it too. Um. 751 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: So thank you again for the suggestion, Carrie, and we 752 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: keep those suggestions coming. What should we read next? Email 753 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: is let us know. Our email is Stuff Media, mom 754 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: Stuff at iHeart media dot com. You can also find 755 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: this on Instagram and Stuff I've Never Told You are 756 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast. Thanks as always to 757 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: our super producer Andrew Howard, Thank you and thanks to 758 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: you for listening Stuff I've Never Told You his protection 759 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: of iHeart Radio. 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