1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Murder on Songbird Road is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Previously on Murder on Songbird Road, I received an email 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: approving my request for surveillance footage from Huck's gas station. 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 2: What we were told that she did is exactly what 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: it appears that she's doing. Does that mean that she 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: didn't do it? Not necessarily in and of itself. Does 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 2: it mean that I don't think there's any way in 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: hell that that's what she was disposing of? There absolutely, 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: one hundred percent like I would die on that hill. 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: The prosecution contends this was after the murder. She would 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: have been covered with bloody scratches and bleeding hands. Why 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: would she have been out and about in a T shirt? 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: My name is Katie, and your relationship to Julie. 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 3: I would consider her best friend. She didn't like blood, 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 3: she didn't like violence. 16 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 4: Having murderers. 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: You're going to be talking about a man nine out. 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 5: Of fun time, at least in the United States. 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: We want to address a misconception that many people had 20 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: or continue to have, regarding what was actually found at 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: Hucks as opposed to the Southern Illinois Regional Landfill. 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: It's the thing that upsets me the most about this 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: entire trial, that any of this evidence was admissible in 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: any way, shape or form. 25 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 6: I was removed from the courtroom because I was threatening 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 6: the jury by sitting in the front. 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: Row, the all white jury. They were intimidated because I'm black. 28 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 7: I couldn't do this. 29 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: Renee High Tower Jason Flomp Chicago based attorney Kathleen Zelner 30 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: is one of the most formidable forces in wrongful conviction advocacy. 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 8: I'll flip the bill for that, because if anyone can 32 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 8: get Julie out, it's her. 33 00:01:53,320 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: I'm Lauren brad Pacheco, and this is murder on Songbird Road. 34 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: For over a year, Bob Matta and I have been 35 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: deeply immersed in a murder that has only grown more 36 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: controversial the further we've investigated. We've scrutinized the prosecution's case 37 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: against Julia Beverly and her conviction for the stabbing death 38 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: of eleven year old Jade Beasley, a child she considered 39 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: a daughter. Along the way, we've encountered moments that challenged 40 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: our assumptions, shifted our perspectives, and stirred emotions we never anticipated. 41 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,399 Speaker 2: I think probably what struck me the most, frankly, more 42 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: than any thing that we may have uncovered or run into. 43 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: Is meeting Julie and person the first time, because going 44 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: into it, we had dug into the case a bit 45 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: as much as we could in terms of what was 46 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: out there online, but really, until I met her to 47 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 2: kind of get a sense and a feel for who 48 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: she was and is, I really didn't know, And that 49 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: for me was so important because I think we all 50 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: kind of think that we can look somebody in the 51 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 2: eyes and kind of be able to discern whether or 52 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: not they're being truthful with us and deciding if this 53 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: is somebody that you want to go to bat for. 54 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: You know, I had an attorney visit, so we weren't 55 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: being monitored, so I knew that she was going to 56 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: be as truthful as she was going to allow herself 57 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: to be, which I felt she was very truthful to 58 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: me about everything that I asked her. And if I 59 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: subtract that out, it makes a big difference on how 60 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 2: I think I would have construed things that we ran 61 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: into instead of it just being somebody that I'm reading 62 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: about or hearing about, but having my own experience with 63 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: that person. It changed everything for me in the sense 64 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: that I was able to think about her and what 65 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: I thought she would be capable of or not capable of. 66 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: And I don't think that I would have been able 67 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: to do that effectively or with any substance had I 68 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: not actually had that meeting with her the first time. 69 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: I found her to be just an extremely genuine person. 70 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: I really got the sense that I wasn't being snowed, 71 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: she wasn't a fraud. And I walked out of that 72 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 2: jail that day pretty firmly convinced that this just doesn't 73 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: add up. I mean, for me, that was really an 74 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: AHA moment. 75 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: One of the most impactful interviews for me is one 76 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: you've yet to hear, one that took place many months 77 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: after we began our investigation. I'm always exceedingly sensitive comes 78 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: to questioning miners, which is why, despite interacting with Julia 79 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: Beverly's eldest son, Jaden since our first trip to Marian, 80 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: you haven't heard from him until now. It's crucial to 81 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: recognize the ripple effect of Beverly's conviction on her immediate family, 82 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: and in Jaden's case, those ripples were more like shock waves. 83 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: His entire life as he knew it was torn apart. 84 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: Can you tell me, just in terms of the day 85 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: to day, how much your life changed after December fifth, 86 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. 87 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 9: A lot because I had to move schools, move in 88 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 9: with my dad, miss Jade, missed my mom, miss a 89 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 9: lot of people. I basically just flipped a lot of 90 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 9: things upside down, but it completely flipped upside out every 91 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 9: now and then with Mom, always with Dad, I miss 92 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 9: a lot of people though, like old friends. 93 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: Jaden is a thoughtful, intelligent young man with a slender 94 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: frame and wide expressive eyes, eyes that, at just fifteen, 95 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: have witnessed far too much heartbreak. He's endured this sudden 96 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: loss of Jade, his entire immediate family and the only 97 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: home he ever knew. And you never got to walk 98 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: back into your bedroom? No, and how did it alter 99 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: your relationship with your little sisters? 100 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 9: Well, I didn't get to see him anymore, so I'd 101 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 9: say it was more just like as if I one 102 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 9: day you stop and left. 103 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: I guess his choice of words is interesting given the 104 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: people who have abandoned him. So would you have considered 105 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: Mike before this happened as a stepfather or just as 106 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: your mom's boyfriend? What kind of family life did you 107 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: guys have? 108 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 7: I'd consider him a stepfather looking back at it. 109 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: You may remember this detail Renee High Tower shared from 110 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: the day of Julia Beverly's arrest. 111 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 10: There was that knock at the door. I came man, 112 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 10: and Julie immediately started crying. She had her promise ring 113 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 10: from Mike that she immediately took off and handed to me. 114 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: That ring now hangs around Jaden's slim neck. Something I 115 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: didn't realize when I inquired about its significance. 116 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 9: It was a promise ring for Mike and Mom, like 117 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 9: a little promise they had between each other, where Grandma 118 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 9: gave it to me as like a gift from Mom. 119 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 9: It's just really nice to have something from mom. It's 120 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 9: like a gift from Mom inside the jail and stuff 121 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 9: it stands for, like like I made Mom promise to 122 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 9: like stay strong in the jail and I'll stay strong 123 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 9: for her and stuff like that. Yeah, it's just really 124 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 9: nice to have something between us and stuff, like a 125 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 9: promise ring. 126 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 7: She's always near your heart, so that ring means a 127 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 7: lot to you. It does. 128 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And why don't you bring it to school. 129 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 9: Because I'm more just afraid if it gets lost, someone's 130 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 9: gonna take it and I'd rather just keep it by 131 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 9: my bad at night. 132 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 7: Just having it with me is pretty comforting. 133 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: Now a freshman in high school, there is something heartbreakingly 134 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: stoic about Jaden. You get the feeling he doesn't ask 135 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: for much because he's learned not to expect it. 136 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 9: High school has been going well, though it would be 137 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 9: a lot better if Jade was here, and stuff and Mom, 138 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 9: it's harder for me to comprehend certain things, like for 139 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 9: stuff like death. 140 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 7: It's for me, it's it feels harder. 141 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: Bob and I were both tremendously impacted by our exchange 142 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: with Jaden, the fact that that kid wears the ring 143 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: Mike gave Julie as a promise ring, and now the 144 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: promise has become that poor little Jaden will stay strong 145 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: for Julie, and Julie has to stay strong for him. 146 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 11: Yeah, and it rests right above his heart with his 147 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 11: Shane that's hanging on, you know, significant And you can 148 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 11: tell that it's not just a meetingless momanteau because he 149 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 11: was fumbling with it and playing with it the entire time. 150 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: It gives him comfort. 151 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: And he doesn't bring it to school because he's afraid 152 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: somebody will steal it. 153 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a sweet kid. 154 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: Renee high Tower's fight for access to her grandchildren was 155 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: very much fought for Jaden's sake too. Here she is 156 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: in an interview from July of twenty twenty four. 157 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 10: I've been fighting this for three plus years. 158 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: And they will know how hard you fought to be 159 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: a part of their lives. 160 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 12: And they need to be reacquainted with their brother, who 161 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 12: hasn't seen them in just amount of times I have. 162 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know he's being. 163 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 13: Kept from them as well. 164 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 12: Absolutely, I am asking for one day out of a 165 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 12: weekend every other weekend, and I wanted to coincide with 166 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 12: the days that Jaden is there visiting with me, so 167 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 12: he can visit with his siblings and in all. 168 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: Guest of twenty twenty four, nearly four years after Jade's murder, 169 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: Renee and Jaden were reunited with Beverly's three youngest children 170 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: at a local McDonald's. It was the first time high 171 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: Tower had ever met the son Beverly gave birth to 172 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: while in custody of Williamson County. Oh my gosh, what 173 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: was it like to see Thomas for the first time. 174 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 14: It was amazing and you still feel that connection, even 175 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 14: though that's my first time medium, and I thought, well, 176 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 14: that's my grandchild, you know, and it was just amazing 177 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 14: and just trying to get to know him right there, 178 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 14: and it's almost like it instantly takes. 179 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 10: Over from me and what to do. 180 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: The girls Beverly and High Tower had last seen as toddlers, 181 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: were now seven and five years old, were not using 182 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: their names. How have they changed? 183 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 6: Well, it's like a complete different person because she's got 184 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 6: a head full hair now and she's moving around and 185 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 6: she's talking and she's you know, the last time I 186 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 6: seen her, she was a year and a half and 187 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 6: she barely had any little peacha claws on her head, 188 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 6: you know, And just to see her all grown up 189 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 6: with a little personality, it was just. 190 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 10: I'm sitting there listening to them talk and watching them 191 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 10: interact with each other and how they answer my questions, 192 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 10: and I can already see Julie and every single one 193 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 10: of them. 194 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: Before that reunion, Jaden was a bit on edge, unsure 195 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: of what to expect. 196 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 10: Jaden was getting a little anxious. He couldn't he didn't 197 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 10: even eat his food. He ate his French fries while 198 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,599 Speaker 10: he was waiting. And then once they got there, he 199 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 10: couldn't touch the rest of his meal. He said, I'll 200 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 10: take it home, so he couldn't finish his food, but 201 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 10: wanted to give him a hug immediately, which was really 202 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 10: She remembers him. 203 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: She remembers him, and she's looking up and she's. 204 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: Like, I have a tall baby brother. 205 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 10: Oh it was it was nice. 206 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: It was nice. 207 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 10: She wanted to hug him immediately. 208 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: That was great. 209 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: Renee shared a picture of the kids, the three youngest 210 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: grinning ear to ear as they clutched the giant squishmellow 211 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: stuffed animals Nikki sent to mark the occasion. Jaden smiles too, 212 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: but his carries a weight the others don't. His mother's 213 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: promise ring hangs prominently over his gaming T shirt, a 214 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: quiet reminder of her absence. Oh my gosh, they're beautiful, 215 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: cheesy grins. Oh my goodness, But she can see the 216 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: happiness in the Oh my gosh, I can see Julie 217 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: and all of them, but yes, particularly high Tower has 218 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: continued visiting her grandchildren as aloud, helping them reconnect with 219 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: their eldest brother and gradually reintroducing information about their mother. 220 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: To date, Julie Beverly has yet to see her three 221 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: youngest children in person. She hasn't held her daughter since 222 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: the murder, and has only held her son once for 223 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: a single hour after his birth. 224 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 3: I have already sent those pictures on the pictures of 225 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: the kids. 226 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 10: To Julie so. 227 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 4: She can have that. 228 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 7: Yeah, they are priceless. 229 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 3: They are priceless. 230 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: Murder on Songbird Road, We'll be back after the break 231 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: here again is murder on Songbird Road. It is difficult 232 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: to process what Renee let alone, Jaden, the three youngest children, 233 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: and Julia Beverly have lost, especially in light of the 234 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: issues Bob and I have uncovered in this investigation so far. 235 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: It's hard to fathom. We're both parents, and we're both 236 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 2: very interactive, loving parents, were very involved in our kids' lives, 237 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: and the concept of having that stripped away with no 238 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 2: recourse or no seeming recourse or the recourse that exists 239 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: could take decades is incredibly, incredibly powerful in terms of 240 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: trying to wrap your mind around what that might feel like. 241 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: Would I be sitting in there if I was wrongfully convicted, 242 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: if I knew that I didn't do this, Would I 243 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: be getting bitter? Would I be filled with rage? It's 244 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: probably like the steps of grief, like when you learn 245 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: that you're dying, and I don't even know how I 246 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: would function. I've dealt with enough people that have been 247 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: wrongfully convicted to where they always inspire me every time 248 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: that I talk to one of these individuals at length, 249 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: and to see their strength and their ability to persevere 250 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: and to turn negatives into positives is just mind blowing 251 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: to me, really is. And it's like when you sit 252 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: there and you think about Julia and everything that she's lost. 253 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: Both times that we've met with her in person, me 254 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: the first time and then ausin when we went together, 255 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: her positivity just kind of blew me away both times. 256 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: You know who I credit for that, Renee, Because Renee 257 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: has not missed a visit, has not missed a call. 258 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: Her entire life is dedicated to fixing this. 259 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: One hundred percent, and that bolsters her daughter in a 260 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: way that she desperately needs it. 261 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: I used to say, I didn't know what my kryptonite 262 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: was until I had children, and it's the biggest fear 263 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: in the world because suddenly your heart is walking around 264 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: outside your body. And I've always said that, you know, 265 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: if anybody wanted to destroy me all they have to 266 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: do is get to my children. That has weighed heavily 267 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: on me when I process how this tragic ordeal and 268 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: questionable investigation has impacted a potentially innocent mother. I look 269 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: at her children and think of what they've missed. How 270 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: important it is to have your mother there in those 271 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: early years. I mean, Renee didn't meet Thomas until he 272 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: was three years old. Those girls didn't, you know, have 273 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: any interaction with their mother or their grandmother. 274 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Renee has just been a rock, an absolute rock. 275 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: She just has never faltered. 276 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: And then you have the flip side of it as well, 277 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: which is the loss of Jade and how that has 278 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: impacted Julia's family as well. But most definitely just the 279 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: devastation that's caused to Michael Beasley and his family. There's 280 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: no shortage of victims in this and the fact that 281 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: this wasn't properly investigated to begin with the additional layers 282 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: of heartbreak that heaps on top of this tragedy. It's 283 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: freaking daunting. It's just daunting. Wrongful convictions not only devastate 284 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: the lives of the innocent, but also compound the suffering 285 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: of the victims, families and friends. When the justice system 286 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: fails to ensure accuracy the first time, it creates a 287 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: ripple effect of dysfunction and harm, a misery onion with 288 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: layers of pain and injustice that only grow increasingly rotten 289 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: over time. And when Bob and I were finally able 290 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: to access Jade's autopsy, we faced even more layers to 291 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: that onions. How the then Williamson County State's Attorney Brandon 292 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: Zenati reference to the autopsy in the same press conference 293 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: in which he announced Jade's murder and Beverly's arrest. 294 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 8: An autopsy was performed on Sunday, and while we are 295 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 8: awaiting the final autopsy report, initial information from the pathologist 296 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 8: indicates that Jay Beasley died as a result of blood 297 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 8: loss from multiple stab wounds. Numerous search warrants have been 298 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 8: issued and evidence collected during the investigation. A lot of 299 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 8: evidence has been sent to the Illenwich State Police Crime 300 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 8: Lab in Belleville for testing, and we will be awaiting 301 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 8: all of those results. 302 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: We now know a substantial amount of evidence, seemingly anything 303 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: that could have supported Beverly's innocence was not tested, but 304 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: the autopsy also revealed evidence that may have been mishandled, 305 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: and it involved a towel that was apparently tossed into 306 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: the body bag used to transport Jade to the morgue. 307 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: In the autopsy verbatim, a blue beach towel accompanies the body. 308 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: Renee high Tower was unaware of any such towel until 309 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: we shared the report with her. 310 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 10: I hadn't seen the autopsy report, so I didn't even 311 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 10: know anything about that, and I have not seen the crime. 312 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 7: Scene photos because I wasn't allowed in court. 313 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: She then questioned Beverly as to whether she recalled seeing 314 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: that towel at any point. 315 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 10: I was talking to her about the autopsy reports and 316 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 10: I said that there was a towel in the body 317 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 10: bag with Jade. 318 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 7: She asked, was it a beach towel? 319 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 10: And I said, I think that's what it stated in there, 320 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 10: And that's when she said that she's seen that towel 321 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 10: in the pictures, in the crime scene photos on the 322 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 10: floor in the bathroom. She said, the thing about it, 323 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 10: it looked like it was used to clean up with, 324 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 10: like someone clean themselves off from blood. So she said 325 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 10: it didn't look like it was laying on the floor 326 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 10: and got blood on it, like everything else, did you 327 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 10: know just sitting there and got blood on it. It looked 328 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 10: like it was picked up and used to wipe blood 329 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 10: off and then dropped on the floor. The police could 330 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 10: have used it, who knows, But for it to be 331 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 10: put in the body bag with Jade is crazy. 332 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 3: I don't understand that at all. 333 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: When reading through the autopsy report, former Kentucky crime scene 334 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: investigator Katie Hartman, who worked in law enforcement for over 335 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: two decades, was also a bit baffled by the presence 336 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: of the beach towel within the body bag. 337 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 4: Correct if I'm wrong. You said that they said the 338 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 4: towel was on the floor of the bag, Yes, yep. 339 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 4: Do you think maybe when they pulled her out of 340 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 4: the tub that they included it in there? Maybe because 341 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 4: she landed on top of it. 342 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. 343 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: See, that's what I'm saying. 344 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 4: I'm trying to be good advocate here and think of 345 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 4: ways that it could have occurred. A med unit who's 346 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 4: not in forensics could have picked it up and thrown 347 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 4: it in the body bag with her, But still that 348 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 4: towel should have still been collected. I've had things put 349 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 4: in body bags by med units that I had to 350 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 4: collect even though they really had nothing to do with it. 351 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 4: So I can only tell you what I would have 352 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 4: done if I was at the scene. The blue towel 353 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 4: would have been collected separately. 354 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 3: Not with the body. 355 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 4: Never I would You don't throw things in the body bag. 356 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: This blue towel was saturated with blood. So could it 357 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: have been something that Jade had used to try to 358 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: stop the blood or. 359 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 4: Would it have been someone who did it trying to 360 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 4: stop their blood from their own wounds? Because it's with 361 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 4: this many sad wounds, it's not one hundred percent, but 362 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 4: it's pretty common for the assailants to cook themselves, you know, 363 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 4: with their hands slipping down. I'm looking at the evidence. 364 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 4: They did say the clothing that says here a beach towel. Yep, 365 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 4: Now could that be. 366 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 12: The blue towel? 367 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: That's the blue towel? 368 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 4: Okay, So at least it was collected. 369 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: Which conceivably means the towel, along with many other things 370 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: like Beverly's clothing, her nail scrapings, and Jade's electronics, could 371 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: have been and could still be tested. Here's Bob's take. 372 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. I've said that word. 373 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 15: I don't know how many episodes that I've listened to 374 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 15: during this world saying that something's unbelievable or unfathomable. But 375 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 15: every time I say it, I'm here to tell you 376 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 15: I mean it to me. To have that particular piece 377 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 15: of evidence jammed in the body bag is beyond comprehension. 378 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 15: I just don't understand what person that was at that 379 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 15: crime scene that thought that that was the right thing 380 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 15: to do. I have never processed the crime scene. I've 381 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 15: never done it. 382 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: But you know what I wouldn't do is I wouldn't 383 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 2: jam a bloody towel that was found in the same 384 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: room the victim was killed, at least theoretically, into a 385 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 2: body bag that was with that victim and then transported 386 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 2: to wherever she was transported. It's it's crazy. 387 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: What else is crazy? The amount of time it took 388 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: for the then forensic pathologists to turn around Jade Beasley's autopsy. 389 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: Here's Renee high Tower. 390 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 10: The scene was asking for discovery and that took a 391 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 10: while in itself as well, and then going through the discovery, 392 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 10: she's seen that the autopsy was not in there. Scene 393 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 10: had to file emotion to compel. 394 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: So while the autopsy was performed the day after the 395 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: murder on December sixth, twenty twenty. It wasn't completed and 396 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: filed for another fourteen months on February fourth, twenty twenty two, 397 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: so it took over a year to turn around the autopsy. Yes, 398 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: did you ever get any reason as to why. 399 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: I did not? 400 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: And whatever happened to the forensic pathologist who performed the autopsy. 401 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 10: From what scene was telling me she was moving on 402 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 10: to a new career to be an attorney. 403 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: So another person who has either retired or changed careers. Yes, 404 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: it's really interesting because there's no hypothesis as to how 405 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: tall the assailant would have been, or the trajectory of 406 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: the stab wounds or anything. 407 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 10: Right, she couldn't tell the order of the wounds, nothing. 408 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 10: It's like she could tell how she died and that 409 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 10: was it. No time of death, no order the wounds, 410 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 10: no type of weapon explaining to nothing, no heights of 411 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 10: the assailant. 412 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: Nothing interesting. Murder on Songbird Road will return after the 413 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: break back to Murder on Songbird Road now, going back 414 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: to another line from the press conference with the then 415 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: Williamson County State's Attorney Brandon Sonati. 416 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 8: When the incident occurred. The suspect gave law enforcement an 417 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 8: initial report that the unidentified mail ran from the residence 418 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 8: upon her arriving home. She said that she left the 419 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 8: residence with Jade alone in the home for a short 420 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 8: time and return home to find an unidentified male fleeing. 421 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 8: The investigation has proven this story to be false. 422 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: Given the investigation had lasted all of four days at 423 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: this point, it's interesting to note numerous knife related crimes 424 00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: happened before and after Jade's murder and Beverly's arrest. Williamson 425 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: County deputies responded to a call yesterday on Napoleon Lane. 426 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 15: They found a woman with severe last rations to her neck, shoulder, 427 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 15: and hands. 428 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: A Chester man is in police custody tonight after officials 429 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: say he stabbed a person in Christopher early yesterday morning. 430 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 2: Well May I suspected the stabbing someone in Carbondell, now 431 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: behind bars police. A forty two year old aggressively approached 432 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 2: a woman at Arrowhead Lake this afternoon, wrapped his arms 433 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 2: around her, told her to be quiet, and that he 434 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: had a knife. 435 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: In Episode three, I mentioned this exchange, which took place 436 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: at the scene of the murder, as one that would 437 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: come back to haunt us. 438 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 2: I mean, this is rural. We're in farmland here, there's 439 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: no question about it. So if we're looking at Sombird Road, 440 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: we're not close to any kind of main thoroughfare. So 441 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 2: like the concept of somebody walking back here seems remote 442 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: to me. 443 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: You're not getting like casual foot traffic or somebody who 444 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: is zero chains to rob because they think that there 445 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: is something of great value. 446 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the zero chance of somebody just wandering around back. 447 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: Here this exchange, also from the same initial visit would 448 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: do more than haunt us. It would end up serving 449 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: as a premonition of sorts. Yeah, And unfortunately this is 450 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: not the kind of neighborhood where you would have ring 451 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: cameras or no way. Yeah, hindsight is sometimes twenty twenty 452 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: and sometimes it comes with receipts. At the end of 453 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: August twenty twenty four, Bob and I were back and 454 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: Marion again knocking on doors on or around Songbird Road. 455 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: My attempt to reach out by phone to a specific 456 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: address wasn't exactly successful, so the in person attempt fell 457 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: on Bob. 458 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: Corey Lee grow all right, so am I going this way? 459 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 460 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 2: How we get to the. 461 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: Yep, that's songbird. This is exciting now since I'm the 462 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: female who called them, do you want to be the 463 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: one who walks up to the door. 464 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: Sure, I'm gonna lose the shade. 465 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: So I think that's a good idea. Mata and sunglasses 466 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: definitely leans towards a law enforcement state trooper vibe. 467 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 7: It's this house. 468 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 11: Where is the right? 469 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: It's here? 470 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, lose the glasses. So it is a 471 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: one floor trailer modular. He's walking up. I would have 472 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: walked up on this one, but I actually called and 473 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: they were not too happy to speak with me. He's knocking, 474 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: he's waiting. There's a car in the driveway, so yeah, 475 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: they may have seen us on the property up the 476 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: doors opening. Gentleman's out of shirt just answered, let's see 477 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: what Bob's got while they're talking, which is good. Up 478 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: the gentleman sitting down and talking. It's a one floor 479 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: trailer that has been reinforced with the foundation string lights 480 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: dangling from the front porch, faded American flag. He's calling 481 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: somebody in from the house. This may be where he 482 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: meets his resistance. Because I called and spoke to I 483 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: believe the daughter gentlemen's lighting up cigarette. I am waiting. 484 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: If he gestures, I will walk over. But up there 485 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: seems to be a woman who's come to the door. 486 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just a flag blowing catching in the window 487 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: when a pause. At this point, we didn't realize we'd 488 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: driven up to the wrong address. Yeah, there definitely seems 489 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: to be somebody who is on the other side of 490 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: that glass door that they're conversing with as well. That 491 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: is definitely longer than I have no information to give 492 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: you a kind of conversation. Bob would wave me up, 493 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: gesturing that I could bring the microphone. As I walked 494 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: up to join them, the woman who was actually the 495 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: man's wife, was sharing details of an encounter she'd had 496 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: with a stranger on the very porch we were standing on. 497 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 16: Knocking, and he kept kind of like he was had 498 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 16: both hands on either side of the door, and he 499 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 16: kept going like this, you know, not banging his set 500 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 16: on the door, just making emotion and just talking and 501 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 16: jibber jabbering and talking like he was talking into the door, 502 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 16: and he wasn't talking to nobody, you know, because I 503 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 16: was too afraid to answer the door, and I was 504 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 16: looking out the window, and then the camera was videotaping him, 505 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 16: and he just kept knocking and knocking and waiting, and 506 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 16: I was an answering. 507 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: So a shirtless guy, and he looked like he was 508 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: under the influence of drugs or mental health. 509 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: Was yeah, he just he didn't look like he was. 510 00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 16: All with it. 511 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 14: They were able to observe it. 512 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: Unfortunately. 513 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: Do you remember what he looked like? About how tall 514 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: he would have been. 515 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 16: He's probably a little taller than me. I'm five to three. 516 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 5: I stayed five to five something like that, kind of. 517 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 3: Shaved head, kind of like, yeah. 518 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 2: You say he was the twenties, thirties. 519 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 16: Maybe probably thirties, early thirties, early to mid thirties. 520 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, what kind of build? 521 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 5: Medium build? 522 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 13: Yeah, medium build, yeah my size. Yeah. 523 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. 524 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 5: That it scared me really bad. So, I mean, I 525 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 5: didn't really know what to do about it. We didn't 526 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 5: really call the sharp or nothing, because. 527 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: He just left after that. You know, I didn't know 528 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 3: what to do. 529 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, that's interesting. 530 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: So he did not and never seen him since since. 531 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 16: I've every time we leave or go somewhere, I always 532 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 16: look out because I would somewhat remember his face, you know, 533 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 16: But I haven't seen him since. 534 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 13: He definitely looked to be on drug any I'm ashamed 535 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 13: of it, but I was a former of Matthews with myself, 536 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 13: and I know a lot of the characteristics of Matthews, 537 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 13: and thank Jesus, he'd got me a work on it. 538 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: You know, we were standing on a porch that directly 539 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: bordered the property where Jade Beasley was murdered, speaking to 540 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: people who'd bought the house just four days after her murder, 541 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: on the very day that Julie Beverly was arrested. 542 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 16: We've purchased the house the ninth of December and moved 543 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 16: in shortly after that the tenth. 544 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, did anybody ever come and talk to you about 545 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: what happened? 546 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 3: No, we didn't even know anything about it. I just 547 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 3: seen the signing anything. 548 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you call the police after someone came to 549 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: your door? 550 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 3: No? 551 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 5: No, she was just herself and you know, she was 552 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 5: too scared to probably and it didn't really know that. 553 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 3: He didn't do anything, so he left. 554 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 13: Knocked on the door. 555 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 16: Yeah, he only knocked on the door, So it wasn't 556 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 16: like he damaged anything or banged on the door recklessly 557 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 16: or you know, he just kept knocking you know, so. 558 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 5: Acting violent, but he was acting very very strange. 559 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 13: Yeah. 560 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: Have any of the neighbors told you about the family 561 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: that lived there or anything. 562 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 3: That had happened. 563 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 5: Yes, the neighbors told us. 564 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 13: Plus we looked it up, you. 565 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 3: Know, I looked it up online to see. 566 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 5: What was about it. It was very, very tragic, and 567 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 5: it was like, you know, don't. 568 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: Worried that it might be even more tragic than. 569 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 13: We bought the place. 570 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 3: We found out about it because. 571 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: Beverly was arrested so soon after the murder. No officers, 572 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: no detectives, no official anyone ever interacted with the new 573 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: homeowners about the brutal murder that occurred next door less 574 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: than a week before they moved in, which is why 575 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: they didn't think to contact anyone when just weeks later, 576 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: on February eighth, twenty twenty one, a shirtless, strung out 577 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: man matching the basic description Beverly gave of her alleged intruder, 578 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: appeared on their porch and started pounding on their door. 579 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: I know that that's the problem everywhere, but. 580 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 5: Particularly around Yes, it is. He was killing people, killing people, 581 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 5: and it's an absolute epidemic. 582 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: So was she still had that video because that matches 583 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: the description of the man that Julie Beverly says, you 584 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: know what I mean? 585 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, like you and I aren't tall men, but like 586 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 2: five five five six is a short man, right, you 587 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 2: know what. 588 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 5: I really wish we knew something about. 589 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: It has been very helpful and I'm very thankful for 590 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: you folks allowing us to int sure. Absolutely absolutely, we're 591 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 2: happy you were willing to talk to us. 592 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't tell you how much I appreciate it, 593 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: and honestly, it can be very very useful. As we 594 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: continued to talk, the wife excused herself, going inside briefly 595 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: before returning. When she did, she was holding an iPad 596 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: and on that iPad was the video of the interaction 597 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: and the man she just described, Oh my gosh, you 598 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: have it. Hello, Oh my gosh, he has tattoos, he 599 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: would be identifiable. 600 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 7: Hello, I have a question. 601 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 16: And he said, oh my god, I remembered I emailed 602 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 16: it to him. 603 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, just remembered it. Oh my gosh. 604 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: May I give you my email? Could you forward that 605 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: to me? 606 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh. 607 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, I don't even know. See, that's why, like, 608 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 2: that's why we're knocking on all the new Ones. 609 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: In the video, a shirtless man clad in dark jeans 610 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: and obviously under the influence of serious drugs and or 611 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: mental illness, walks onto the porch, speaking to himself as 612 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: he appears to be working himself up to knock on 613 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: the door. I have question, Hello, Hello, He seems troubled, 614 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: wrestling with an internal conflict. He vocalizes as he paces. 615 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 2: I have not been here in thirty years and more. 616 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: His right foot swivels out after each knock, as if 617 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: attached by some sort of invisible string to his right 618 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: fist as he knocks. Then he scratches his tattoo covered 619 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: upper left arm as he says this. He then raises 620 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: both hands up as if responding to drawn weapons as 621 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: he leaves the porch, exiting down the stairs and walking 622 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: towards Beverly's former home as he mumbles, I heard after 623 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: exchanging emails and contact info, Bob and I returned to 624 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: the car our mind's racing. Oh my god, Oh. 625 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 2: My god, wow, Okay, holy moly, that was something else 626 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 2: that's huge. 627 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 1: It was February eighth, she said, February eighth, but still 628 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: he said, I haven't been here for thirty years. Is 629 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: what he said he has tattoos that are identifiables. 630 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 2: Shirtless in February. 631 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: Do we tell Renee? 632 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 7: I think I think we tell Renee. 633 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 2: I mean that's incredible. 634 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 3: Hold On, let me pull over because I got you 635 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 3: on speaker with the boys. Okay, hold on, give me 636 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 3: one second. 637 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So we did some knocking on doors. I 638 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: spoke to Butch's sister. I left my information, but she 639 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: didn't want to talk. Then we spoke to the backyard neighbor, 640 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: who suggested we go to the bar. We thought we 641 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 1: were at the house, but we were at the house 642 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: to the right, and they answered the door, and the 643 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,879 Speaker 1: gentleman spoke to Bob. 644 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 2: Very nice, very nice folks, and you know, I just 645 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 2: start shooting the shit, telling him a little bit about 646 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 2: what we're doing. And you know, it turns out that 647 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 2: he bought right right after five days after the thing happens, 648 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 2: and you know, but I'm still I'm plugging away, right 649 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 2: And then then he tells me, oh, yeah, I heard 650 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 2: it had something to do with meth. And I'm like, 651 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm like, okay, where'd you hear that? 652 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 5: Yeah? 653 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 2: He's like oh, He's like, I don't know I just 654 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 2: heard it around. I'm like, well, I'm like, it's it's funny. 655 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,919 Speaker 2: They say that, you know, we're kind of looking into 656 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 2: that angle a little bit. And so as we're progressing, 657 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 2: his wife comes up to the door and they tell 658 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 2: me a story. 659 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: They bought the house the ninth of December twenty twenty, 660 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: so four days after this all happened, and they have 661 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,959 Speaker 1: a ring camera. And on February eighth, a man who 662 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: matches the height and build of the gentleman that Julie 663 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 1: says she encountered coming out of her house is banging 664 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: on their door. And keep in mind, when we spoke 665 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: to Julie, she said, no, this guy was like five six. 666 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: Guess how tall this guy was kind shakes yep, and 667 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: the same kind of build, but this time he's not 668 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: wearing a mask. He's obviously out of his mind and 669 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: on drugs or both, and he's shirtless. He has identifiable tattoos, 670 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: and he's banging and saying, excuse me, excuse me, I 671 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: have a question. And then he says, I haven't been 672 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: here for thirty years, but he is irrational. He seems 673 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: like potentially unhinged. And guess what renee? They still have 674 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: the video, really really wow and guess who now has 675 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:21,479 Speaker 1: the video? 676 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 3: You yep. 677 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: On the next and for now final episode of Murder 678 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: on Songbird Road, our long investigation leads to shifting presumptions. 679 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't get while you can prosecute or have 680 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 4: a prosecution without and I'll ask you for. 681 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: And changing viewpoints. 682 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 13: After listening to the podcast, I've definitely got a different 683 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 13: perspective of reasonable doubt. 684 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: As Beverly's appeal finds its way to a panel of judges. 685 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,439 Speaker 5: It's just sad to kind of realize, all these years 686 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 5: later that you know, we may have been misled. 687 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,439 Speaker 1: Murder on Songbird Road is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 688 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Taylor Chaqoine and Lauren Bright Pacheco. 689 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: Research writing and hosting by Lauren Bright Pacheco. 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