1 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph. It 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: was summer break. She wasn't even at school. She wasn't 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: really even away from home. She was, according to her computer, 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: at home that evening doing her homework for college. She 5 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: had the safest job, part time job in the world. 6 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: She's working at a daycare center as a counselor. What 7 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: happened to co ed Molly Tibbitts. The reward climbing to 8 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: nearly four hundred thousand dollars four hundred thousand dollars for 9 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: information or return of Molly Tibbitts, including to her kidnapper. 10 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 11 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: being with us in the last hours studying new developments 12 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: in the search for Molly Tibbets. Listen to this totally speculation. 13 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: I think someone went to the house that Molly knew 14 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: or that Molly trusted, and she left with them willingly, 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: and now they're in over their head and they don't 16 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: know what to do. That is Molly's dad, Rob Tibbots, 17 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: with a brand new theory emerging on what happened to 18 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: his daughter. Let's start at the very beginning, so he 19 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: can analyze what he is saying. Again, the tip line 20 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five to one one one one. 21 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to crime stories with Nancy Grace and 22 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: we are taking your calls. Nine zero nine four nine 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: Crime nine zero nine four nine two seven four six 24 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: three Alexis to rest Chuck writer online dot com. It 25 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: was an ordinary evening. Molly Tibbitts was dog sitting for 26 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: her boyfriend and his brother at their rural home. One 27 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: was out of town in debt, the boy friend on 28 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: his job, the boyfriend brother also away. She goes jogging, 29 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: She's spotted by a neighbor jogging. Then everything goes radio silent. 30 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: Let's pick it up right there, Alexis Torres, Chuck. What 31 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: do we know? We know that Molly was home alone, 32 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: and in fact, her boyfriend said he got a snapchat 33 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: from her, which is a video picture. He didn't really 34 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: look at it, but you know, he said he saw it. 35 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: He talks to Molly frequently. Then the next morning he 36 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: sends her text and says, hope you have a good 37 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: day at work. He doesn't hear from her. Her parents 38 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: don't hear from her. The daycare calls her parents and says, 39 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: Molly didn't come to work today, and everybody starts to panic, 40 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: start calling around, nobody can reach her. They finally called 41 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: the police and say, we have not heard from our 42 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: daughter in almost twenty four hours, and that's when the 43 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: huge man hunt sets out. Her boyfriend says he didn't 44 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: really pay attention to the video because they do it 45 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: all the time. He takes a closer look at it. 46 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: He got it about ten o'clock at night, about ten pm, 47 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: and he thinks that it was probably inside his house 48 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: that she sent him that picture from. So the last 49 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: place that we know where Molly is is inside the 50 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: home where she was all by herself. But she was 51 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: taking care of the dogs, these big dogs for him. Guys. 52 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: A lot of conflicting evidence, but a new theory emerging 53 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: right now. The conflicting evidence is a neighbor spots her jogging, 54 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: describing what she had on the works. The dogs belonging 55 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: to the boyfriend were locked in the basement where she 56 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: puts them when she jogs and all other times they're 57 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: out and about. But then the conflicting evidence is that 58 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: police say she was on her computer doing homework later 59 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: that night. Are they sure about that? Was she taken 60 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: when she was jogging? Was she taken out of the home. 61 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: There's no sign of forced entry or struggle or theft. 62 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: So what happened right now? The theory emerging from her 63 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: father and from the FBI claiming they believe Molly Tibbitts 64 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: is still alive and being held hostage and her captor 65 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: was among the search crew and attended vigils in her honor. 66 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: This is a major, major bombshell. Let's go straight out 67 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: to the lines. Let's go to Karen from Norman, Oklahoma. Hi, Nancy, 68 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: My question is the working theory right now is that 69 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 1: Missy what missing because she left, possibly left with someone 70 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: she knew. Why is it that somebody she knew? How 71 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: Come it couldn't be somebody who easily walked in while 72 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: she was getting ready for the daycare trip and was 73 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: kind of inside the house already waiting with a gun 74 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: or a knife. If they have a weapon of some sort, 75 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: she's not going to fight and they could easily get 76 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: her out um without disturbing anything. And it looks like 77 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: she left and she could have already had the dogs 78 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: blocked up in the basement or wherever, and then she's gone. 79 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: And my other question is the hog farmer if he 80 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: didn't do it, could he know somebody who he's in cold, 81 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: who's I could have and he's covering up for them? Um? 82 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: Could she be alive and her strategically throwing her shirt 83 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: out or dropping her shirt through a struggle or something 84 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: just trying to leave a trail? Um, thank you and UM, 85 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: I hope hopefully my question detict her too. Karen in Norman, Oklahoma, 86 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: you're doing what investigators and prosecutors do all day long. 87 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: When you're stumped, you go back to the evidence and 88 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: start re evaluating. And your dad on Karen, how do 89 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: I know someone did not approach her in the home, say, 90 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: while she was jogging, come into the home to still something, 91 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: and then take her so the dogs would still be 92 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: locked up? How do I didn't note that she didn't 93 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: start her homework and they take her from there having 94 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: come in while she was jogging as she left the 95 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: door unlocked. Right now, the FBI is saying Molly Tibbitts 96 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: is still alive and being held hostage, and this is 97 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: the real Bobshell in my mind. In addition to that, 98 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: alexis to rest show Radar Online dot com. What does 99 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: this mean her captor among the search crews and attended 100 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: vigils in her honor. They've got to have an idea 101 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: who they're talking about to be that specific. Alexis law 102 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: enforcement sources have said, yes, they believe that this person 103 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: was there and was watching and that they helped in 104 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: the search. And they actually even said that they think 105 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: that this case will be wrapped up within ten days. 106 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: And they haven't said we will find Molly's body. No, 107 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: they think this case will be wrapped up, which means 108 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: that they think they know who has her and they 109 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: are going to be able to find her. But I 110 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: think that's a really scary thing that this person is 111 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: so creepy that they would be doing this so sadistic 112 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: that they would torture her family this way and torture 113 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: her by going. And they say that it was, you know, 114 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: somebody that's enjoying the attention of this case and that's 115 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: why they're coming back. And I think this is something 116 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: that is very common amongst criminals. I think that Ariel 117 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: Castro did this fifteen years ago, and so the police 118 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: are saying they don't want this to be another case 119 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: like that, so they're very actively searching for this person. 120 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: To Karen Stark, veteran New York psychologists joining us today 121 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: from Manhattan, Karen, we read about it, We see TV 122 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: shows and movies about it, where the perup is carefully 123 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: watching TV, watching newscasts, reading the newspapers. That's just not 124 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: drawn like a straw out of a hat. That's real. 125 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: I have covered many many cases where the follows the 126 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: search of the investigation online and papers on TV, and 127 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: they are saying in Molly's case, they believe quote the 128 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 1: FBI says, the suspect is hiding in plain sight and 129 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: has been quote closely following the case. Why, Karen, There's 130 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: nothing unusual when you talk about a criminal and that 131 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: kind of behavior. They are very interested in the case 132 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: because it's a personal involvement. They are getting kicks out 133 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: of all of this. They're enjoying the attention and they 134 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: like revisiting all of it being knowing that they have 135 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: this intense secret that they keep to themselves. So they 136 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: get a secret joy out of knowing that they are 137 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: involved in something that they have the answer that nobody 138 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: else knows. But now they're in a quandary there between 139 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: a rock and hard spot. If these theories are correct, 140 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: they got a tiger by the tail. You can't hold 141 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: on and you can't let go. They've got Molly, if 142 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: this is true, alive. If they let her live, they'll 143 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: go to jail for life. Will they kill her and 144 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: try to destroy the evidence that That is the thing, Nancy, 145 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: that's really surprises me that they're putting this out there, 146 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: because whoever that person is, it's being warned that they're 147 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: closing in, and so you wonder if they would take 148 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: drastic action as a result of that. Every day I 149 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: feel Molly's presence with me, Um, you know, sometimes I 150 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: just feel her sitting on my shoulder. And Molly was 151 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: an incredibly strong young woman, and I don't know that 152 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: I have the strengthen me, but Molly's lending me her 153 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: strength every day, every night. And yes I have my 154 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: moments of complete moltdowns. But it is through this strength 155 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: that is, somehow, and I don't know how, being bestowed 156 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: upon me that I am able to get through every morning, 157 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: every noon, every night. That is Molly Tibbitt's mother begging 158 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: for the return for her daughter. Is stunding new turn. 159 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, the FBI now 160 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: suggesting that Molly Tibbitts is still alive being held somewhere 161 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: somehow by someone she knows, but now that person is 162 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: in a quadari Should they keep her alive or not? 163 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: They believe the FBI that she's being held hostage and 164 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: that her captor was among the search crews and may 165 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: have attended vigils in Molly's honor. Why what is leading 166 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: them to this theory? With me? Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert, 167 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet, Death investigator and Professor 168 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: Forensics at Jacksonville State University, New York, Psychologist Karen Stark, 169 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: judge and founder of child Crime Watch dot com. Ashley Wilcot, 170 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: and Radar Online dot com investigative reporter Alexis terres Chuck, 171 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: alexis in a nutshell? What is leading them to believe 172 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: she is alive and being held hostage? The police have 173 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: spoken with over fifteen hundred people and leaves in this case, 174 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: and they have been scouring this local area and all 175 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: the evidence they have, and the source has finally said 176 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: that they believe that she is still alive and that 177 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: they are really closing in on this and this it 178 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: was almost like a warning to a person that's holding Molly. 179 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: They don't believe that she is dead, and they believe 180 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: that they're going to find her alive. And this is 181 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: such a small town, really small community, Brooklyn, Iowa. And 182 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: they have multiple people that they have spoken with that 183 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: have given them really credible information. Just got Morgan. Law 184 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: enforcement sources claim investigators believe Molly's kidnapper among the grieving 185 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: family and friends at the last vigil. That vigil was 186 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: at the River Loop Amphitheater in Waterloo. Is the candlelight 187 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: vigil to bring awareness and in honor of Molly Tibbitts. 188 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: They believe the purp was in the amphitheater and has 189 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: been following the case. They are claiming they are looking 190 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: at single, divorced and widowed men around Brooklyn, Iowa, and 191 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: they are examining Tibbitts digital foot print, fitbit seal to 192 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: try and trick her down. But let's go back to 193 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: what they are saying, Joseph Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator, 194 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: forensics expert way in Hey, you know, Nancy, I think 195 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: that they're I think that they're on target here as 196 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: far as those individuals that would be within her circle. 197 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: But can I put something else out here? Uh? If 198 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, they were talking about how she 199 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: was doing homework online at home. Is that correct? Am 200 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: I correct in that? Yeah? Well they said that she 201 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: was doing homework on her computer. Okay, Well, this is 202 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: one of the things I'm thinking about Nancy, as you know, 203 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: as you've stated, I'm a college professor as well. If 204 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: she's in Brooklyn, I'm assuming that she and I think 205 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: that she's enrolled at the University of Iowa. I'm assuming 206 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: big assumption here that she might be taking an online 207 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: class at the University of Iowa. And if that is 208 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: the case, then that means that she may have been 209 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: in a discussion group, uh on her class. I do 210 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: this all the time, where I'm working one on one 211 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: with students online, and that that kind of opens up 212 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: this world relative to the people that are aware of her. 213 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll get into discussions about the nature of your 214 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: life where you are, what you're doing, because you know 215 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: you're trying to help each other make it through this 216 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: class altogether. So this kind of expands this out, and 217 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, I'm wondering how much of this digital signature 218 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: that they're talking about has to do with her activity 219 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: online that night. If they were in a discussion group, 220 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: I'll set these things up so that you have to 221 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: be in there at a specific time and engage with 222 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: your classmates. I'm really wondering if people she had other 223 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: people outside of the Brooklyn area that we're aware that 224 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: she was at home in a static location. Maybe she 225 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: shared the information of where she lives. You know, you're right, 226 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: I don't know whether she was in a chat room 227 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: or not. Regarding school, like you're saying, a you know, 228 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: when you have a an organized conference call, it's like 229 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: that where the students get together, but they don't have 230 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: to be physically together. Also, every and another bombshell, we're 231 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: learning that investigators are looking at five specific locations, including 232 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: a car wash and a truck stop. Ashley Wilcot, juvenile judge, 233 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: founder of child Crime watch dot com. I can't go 234 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: to a car wash anymore without being on camera, much 235 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: less a truck stop. Are you kidding me? So what 236 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: does this mean? Authorities have just released a map Ashley 237 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: highlighting five areas, including a car wash located a block 238 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: away from the city's main commercial strip. And a truck 239 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: stop next to the interstate. The other highlighted spots are 240 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: near Tibbitt's boyfriend home where she was staying into very 241 00:15:54,760 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: very lightly populated areas of farmland only achievable accessible by 242 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: dirt Rhodes. So I know there's five specific spots they're 243 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: looking at right now, Ashley. But I'm blown away by 244 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: the fact that they are coming out and saying they 245 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: think that the kidnapper knows hard. That could mean anything. 246 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: I will never forget, Ashley. Uh. When I was a prosecutor, 247 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: I broke down and bought a house boy with this 248 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: got disaster. I couldn't afford it, you know. I just 249 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: was eating a cup of soup and rama noodles every day, 250 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: trying to sneak into the jury cafeteria so I could 251 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: get a cup of soup for nine cents. Anyway, I'm 252 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: glad I got rid of that. It was like a 253 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: stone around my neck. But in order to sell it, 254 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: I was painting it and doing all these home improvements 255 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: myself at night. I finally got a painter. I was 256 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: very friendly to him. I mean it seemed like a 257 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: nice guy. Mary with Sheldon one day one morning before 258 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: I went to work, Ashley. He comes over to ain't it, 259 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: puts me in a bear hug and kisses me in 260 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: the mouth. Ashley, Well, needless to say, I got to 261 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: that house out of that house as fast as I could, okay, 262 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: And I did the rest of my painting all on 263 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: my own after that day. Can I just say that? 264 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: But when I think back on that moment, this guy 265 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: had to weigh two pounds, and I kept thinking, Wow, 266 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: what did I do to suggest to him it was 267 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: okay to kiss me in the mouth and hug me? 268 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: But you know what, I had greeted him occasionally with 269 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: a light hug or hello and a cheery hello, and 270 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: I didn't think anything about it. Boy, was I wrong. 271 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: So when they say it's somebody she knows, it could 272 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: be somebody you know, you know, like a painter or 273 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: a delivery guy, somebody that you've run into at the 274 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: car wash. Ashley, Yeah, it could be any bunny. So statistically, 275 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: most often or the majority of the time, these kinds 276 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: of crimes are committed by somebody that they do know, 277 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: that we do know, and not by complete strangers. So 278 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: there's a good reason to believe that perhaps this is 279 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: someone that she knew or does know. I had to 280 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: go back Nancy Tier caller who said, what about the 281 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: fact that if they had a weapon, or it's someone 282 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: they know, that they easily could have gotten her to 283 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: leave the house, and then later she left a red shirt, 284 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: perhaps as a trail. I don't believe that to be true. 285 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: I believe that even if they have a weapon, even 286 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: if it's someone you know, like this horrible painter that 287 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: you had in your house, that you are going to 288 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: do something to let someone know. You may not chairs 289 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: over on your way by. You may flail all a 290 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: little bit soon, knock things around in the house. But 291 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: from all accounts, law enforcement has said there was nothing 292 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: disrupted in that house. And so I do believe that 293 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: someone she knew, and I do believe that she left, 294 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: And I do believe that law enforcement has all kinds 295 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: of information that not surprisingly they've not released, that indicates 296 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: to them enough to say we think we know and 297 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: someone has her and has kidnapped her and is involved 298 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: in following her cap Yeah, that's very bold to come 299 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: out with that theory. 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He never thought he wouldn't hear from her again. 345 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: When he said her early Thursday morning, he didn't notice 346 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: the message hadn't been read until her friend called late 347 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: that afternoon. One of her co workers called me, said, 348 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: Molly had not called in to work that day and 349 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: she hadn't showed up. And then I looked at the 350 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: messages and she hadn't opened or read any of them. 351 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: So I started getting in contact with her friends and 352 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: her family, saying, hey, have you seen her? Have you 353 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: heard from her? And everybody came up with the same thing. No, 354 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: I haven't seen her since yesterday. Sweet, I've never seen 355 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 1: her be angry or mean to anybody in the almost 356 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: three years that we've been dating. To not know where 357 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: she is is unsettling, and he's gone numb. If this 358 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: is her running off, this is just nobody were seen coming. 359 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: Nobody in nobody in the world, not her family, not me. 360 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: Nobody would have ever guessed that she would just take 361 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: off and not tell anybody while law enforcement continued to 362 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: search for her. There's just one thing he wants Molly 363 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: to know I missed you so much, and you are 364 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: hearing Molly's longtime sweetheart Dalton Jack speaking to our friend 365 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: Angelina Sellsito at w o I t V five in 366 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: Des Moines, trying to go over and over the facts 367 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: like a Rubik's cube to put them together. We are 368 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: taking your calls nine crime. Let's go straight out to 369 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: New Jersey. Hi, New Jersey. What's your question wondering? You know, 370 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: based on what Molly's father said that he thinks that 371 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: she's being held by somebody should know. Couldn't Nancy go 372 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: on public TV after consulting with the FBI so it 373 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: doesn't interfere with an investigation, an offer to provide a 374 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: defense for this individual upon the safe return of Molly. 375 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if that's something a lawyer 376 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: can do, or if it's something that might work in 377 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: order to order to get this girl home to a 378 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: family face. Anyhow, it was just a thought. Something came 379 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: to my mind, as we all anybody who's had children 380 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: who's been thinking about Molly. Actually, that's a brilliant idea, 381 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: Alexis Terres, writer online dot com. She is suggesting our 382 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: call from New Jersey for a lawyer to go on 383 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: public TV or to go on TV and offer to 384 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: help the person with their defense if they will bring 385 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: Molly back. I think it's it's brilliant. As a matter 386 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: of fact, Jackie Howard and Alan Duke, let's put that 387 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: on crime online dot Com today, that there are lawyers 388 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: to help him if he will bring her home safely. 389 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: Let's put it out there because there are lawyers that 390 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: will help him for free to bring her home safely. 391 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: This is not a death penalty case yet. It's not yet. 392 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: And I've seen many many times Alexa Alexis to reds 393 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: check waiter online dot com where purpose have been given 394 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: leniency if they bring the victim home. Of wants that 395 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: anybody wants law enforce at once, and so they are 396 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: trying their best to do to make it as specific 397 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: as possible. The way that the police have released these 398 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: five points, they're they're really zeroing in on the area, 399 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: letting these people know we know where this happened. They've 400 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: they've played this so close to the chest with releasing 401 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: very little information. And so now that we know that 402 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: they are zeroing in on someone and the fact that 403 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: this person was at this vigilant that they have been 404 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: watching this. They're they're really letting people know we know 405 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: who you are. So yes, a defense attorney could really 406 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,239 Speaker 1: be maybe the one more thing that would help this 407 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: person let Molly go. Well here also, we we've got 408 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: the bizarre well it's not bizarre, but unusual tactic um 409 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: crime Stoppers representatives telling the kidnapper that the kidnapper can 410 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: actually claim the four hundred thousand dollar reward. Listen, trying 411 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: to shake the treat we want saw me to come 412 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: or even if they're even if it's not real, at 413 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: least it started a conversation with somebody. Um, somebody might 414 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: know uh that there she's being held by somebody, but 415 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: would never say anything because if they've said something, they 416 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: may think that reciprocity or their life might be in danger. 417 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: We can guarantee that whoever gives this information up uh, 418 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: their identity will be protected. When they put in the tip, 419 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: they get a random number that matches that tip. So 420 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: if you're one, two, three, four, five that have to 421 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: contact us back and say, hey, I saw in the media. Well, 422 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: in this case, if they got them, if they got Molly, 423 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: they're calling and say hey, I see there's a reward. 424 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: I want to let her go, and then then that 425 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: negotiation will be done with the law enforcement and whole 426 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: a whole new dynamic will come into play. And we 427 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: hope that dynamic comes into play. That's why we're doing 428 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: what we're doing, hope for Molly Tibbett's family. Now, as 429 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: sources within the investigation claim investigators believe Molly is still alive. 430 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: That defies the odds to Ashley Wilcott judge and found 431 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: her a child crime watch dot Com. Molly Tibbitt's father 432 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: agrees and believes his daughter is has been taken by 433 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: someone that she knows. Yeah, so Nancy upset from the 434 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: beginning in this case. I have felt the same in 435 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: my gut, which is she's okay in terms of alive. 436 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,959 Speaker 1: And I think that he feels that. But be I 437 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: think he knows more information than than we are hearing 438 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: through reports or maybe he's at the law enforcement. He 439 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: can't share the rest of it. But for him to 440 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: make such a bold statement, I again feel like there's 441 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: more information that we don't know. That it's not just 442 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: this gut that he has reason to believe that he 443 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: knows or knows who might have done it, that she's 444 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: actually alive. There's a lot more to the story. What 445 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: kind of a weirdo Joe Scott Morgan takes the girl 446 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: and then goes to the searches, is around her family 447 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: and goes to the vigil like the one of the 448 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: Amphith theater. I mean, does the FBI know and they're 449 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: watching him? If they know who he is, why not 450 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: arrest him? I think that they releasing info to see 451 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: what he does. Yeah, that's my thought. I think that 452 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: they know more than they're saying. As as many of 453 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: our colleagues have stated already, I think that, you know, 454 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: and again I don't want to uh, you know, step 455 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: on Karen's toes here, but I think that that you're 456 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: dealing with somebody that is, you know, either a real 457 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: uh deviant, uh probably from a sexual standpoint, or somebody 458 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: that's a total sociopath, and I don't you know, uh, 459 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: and they're incapable of feeling any kind of compassion, but 460 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: they're they're enjoying playing around, you know, with the cops here. Uh. 461 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: You know, they've kind of got everybody on a string 462 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: right now, and that that makes this doubly uh terrifying, 463 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: doesn't it? Particularly you know as a parent, you know 464 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: you're watching suffering in real time, that these uh that 465 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: that these parents having to endure through all of this. 466 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: I think the dad knows more than he's letting letting 467 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: out right now. I don't mean that in a farious way. 468 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: I think that he's he's aware of other circumstances. Let's 469 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: keep in mind, y'all, this is a very very tiny 470 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: area that we're talking about as far as population goes. 471 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: People are going to run into one another in an 472 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: area that's less than fifteen hundred in population. Somebody knows 473 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: something out there, somebody, I agree, somebody knows something, But 474 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: are they going to come forward? Four hundred thousand dollars 475 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: is a pretty hefty incentive right now, Cops saying from 476 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: with inside the investigation, we learned they believe Molly Tibbitts 477 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: is still alive, which is statistically unheard of, and that 478 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: her captor has been attending the vigils and watching the 479 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: family as they suffer swinging in the wind. And they 480 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: the cops are refusing to explore Lane their former focus 481 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: on a local pig farmer. As a matter of fact, 482 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: take a listen to that Brooklyn, Iowa hog farmer Wayne 483 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: Cheney talking to our friends at w What the what 484 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: has it been like? Uh? These last you know, a 485 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: few weeks. Take me through what the community has been 486 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: going through. What you've been seeing the activity. I haven't 487 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: really seen much, so I really don't know what's going on. 488 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have no idea what they're doing. 489 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: It's just a bad deal. What's been the I guess 490 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: the hardest part? What say? I can't find her? Um? 491 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: How does that that's been impacting you even though you 492 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: don't even know? You know the person? Right? No, but 493 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: I don't know her? Um? What's that like? Not knowing 494 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: someone being frustrating about their situation? Oh? I don't know. 495 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: It's just a bad deal. We believe that Molly is 496 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: still alive, and if someone has a acted her, we 497 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: are pleading with you to please release her. It is 498 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: our greatest hope that if someone has her, that they 499 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: would just release her and claim that money that we 500 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: have raised for her freedom. That is Molly's mother speaking out, 501 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: begging her kidnap her to bring Molly home. At first, 502 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: I thought it was wishful thinking that the parents, the 503 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: family the boyfriend. We're hoping that somebody has not been found, 504 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: that Molly was being held and is still alive, and 505 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: that broke my heart. But now, in a bizarre turn 506 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: in the case, the FBI announcing well, actually this is 507 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: coming from sources within law enforcement. They didn't make an 508 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: announcement of sorts that the fans believe that Molly is 509 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: still alive being held by someone that knows her, not 510 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: necessarily an ex boyfriend or a close friend, but someone 511 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: that she has come in contact with. Not only that, 512 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: they're looking at specific spots, a truck stop, a car wash. 513 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: Who would she have encountered at these spots? We are 514 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: taking your calls nine nine four nine Crime nine four 515 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: two seven four six three This at all Crime Injustice 516 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: updates on crime online dot com. Out to the lines. Joe, Hi, Joe, 517 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,719 Speaker 1: what's your question? Uh, Well, it's curious that if she 518 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: had returned home to the to the apartment she shared 519 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: with her boyfriend. If she had returned home, wouldn't she 520 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: have released the dogs which were locked in the basement. 521 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: Wouldn't she have done that? And it's curious that they 522 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: were found still locked in the basement, So it may 523 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: very well be that she never returned home, never returned 524 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: to the apartment. That is a working theory. You're absolutely right. 525 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: The dogs are locked in the basement, which is where 526 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: she traditionally puts them when she goes jogging when she 527 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: comes home. Actually it's not at home. She's sharing with 528 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: her boyfriend. It's not really her home at all. She 529 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: was dog sitting while the boyfriend was working in Dubuque, 530 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: and the boyfriend's a brother was out of town as well. 531 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: His wedding has been postponed during the search for Molly. 532 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: A destination wedding to Dominican Republic have been planned that 533 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: was postponed until this case is resolved. The fact that 534 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: the dogs were still locked up For all we know, 535 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: she was going to leave again, or as she got 536 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: back home someone knocked on the door, someone lured her outside. 537 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: Just yesterday on crime online dot Com, we covered a 538 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: case where a fourteen year old girl went to empty 539 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: the trash and went missing. How do I know she 540 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: didn't go out to empty the trash or answer the door. 541 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: That would explain why there was no forced entry. But 542 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: you're right on the facts. To Joe Scott Morgan, Professor 543 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: of Forensics, Jacksonville State University. You have a theory as well. Well, 544 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: it's not so much a theory as as more of 545 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: a kind of an observation RelA tip to what they're 546 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: putting forward. If she is in fact still alive, and 547 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: this is it, Nancy. If if someone is has taken 548 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: responsibility for her, that means they've taken responsibility for her welfare. 549 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: This is an overwhelming, uh, undertaking for this individual. They're 550 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: going to have to provide a place for her, and 551 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: not just a place, a place that is sequestered out 552 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: of view from everyone else, that's probably soundproof, someplace where 553 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: they can keep her restrained. Not only that, they have 554 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: to take care of her basic needs that is food, 555 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: restroom facilities, all of these sorts of other things. It 556 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: is an absolute logistical nightmare. It is something in my opinion, 557 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute, let's think it through. 558 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 1: If someone is holding her captive. And here's another thing, 559 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: but remind me to come back to this thought. If 560 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: someone's holding her captive, what would neighbors, friends, co workers 561 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: be noticing about that person? If anything? Uh, here's something 562 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: new I just saw in the last hours a post 563 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: from a group of let's see one, two, three, four, 564 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 1: five of Molly's friends on Facebook and they state, Molly, 565 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: your friends and I we're missing you tonight. We shared 566 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: pizza and salad. Yes we toss the sala with cilancho 567 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: avocado dressing. That must be her favorite. We want you 568 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: to know our love is deep as the road is long. 569 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: It moves our feet to carry on and beats our 570 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: hearts too, carry on and beats our hearts to while 571 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: you are gone. We live each day and do what 572 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: we can. Hurry home and they pose for a picture 573 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: as if they think Molly can see it. So it's 574 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: not just her father, it's not just a source within 575 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: law enforcement. It's also her friends seemingly believe Molly is 576 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: being held alive and being held captive. Let's put our 577 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: heads together, Jackie Alan, Alexis, Ashley care and Joe Scott. 578 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: What would this person be transmitting? What would other people 579 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: notice about the kidnapper that would be unusual? Well, for 580 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: one thing, scratches on the face, arms, hands, maybe missing work, 581 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: unusual behavior um leaving the office or leaving the job, 582 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 1: not reporting, Joe Scott Morgan. If that person is out 583 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: there holding Molly as law enforcement is suggesting. According to 584 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: a source, someone attending the vigils and watching the family, Um, 585 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: Jackie's saying, unusual purchases for a man. That's what I 586 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: was thinking as well. Yeah, anything that goes to to 587 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: the needs that someone would have, as far as you know, 588 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, throwing us out there, feminine hygiene stuff, 589 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: stuff that is uh easily prepared, easily prepared meals, uh, 590 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: basic things just like uh, not just toiletries, but things 591 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: like blankets, pillows, anything that's odd and and it might 592 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: be a day to day thing. I'd also like to 593 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: know if if this young lady was on any kind 594 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: of medication specifically that would require her to receive any 595 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: kind of special care. What about this? Wait a minute, 596 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: what a minute? What about this Alexis RuSHA. Let's look 597 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: at this f Facebook post, start to say, FB just 598 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: got Karen Ashley. They're saying, we toss the salad with 599 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: cilantro avocado dressing we ordered. We heard pizza and salad 600 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: are those are favorite things? Has somebody been ordering that? 601 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: Has somebody picked that up at the store. I know 602 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm grasping for straws, but I mean, you gotta go 603 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: somewhere Alexis Torres Chuck, and that's what her friends are sending. 604 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: It seems a message to her that if you are 605 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: with somebody, then please come home. If you think you're 606 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: in over your head, you're not. People don't care. They 607 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: just want you to come home. And someone in law 608 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,919 Speaker 1: enforcement in another town when I had spoken with there 609 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: had been a potential sighting of Molly, you know, three 610 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 1: miles away, and I spoke with the law enforcement there 611 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: and they said, you know, they really didn't think it 612 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: was Molly. But that police officer said to me, you know, 613 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: are there any men missing in this town or any 614 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: men that she knows that are missing too, speculating that 615 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: perhaps she had run away with some which I think 616 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: this girl seems so loved and so close to her boyfriend, 617 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: her family that probably is not the case. But perhaps 618 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: it is somebody that they so people should be aware of. 619 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: Is there someone who's missing who you haven't seen in 620 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: a while, somebody missing, or somebody missing from work, somebody 621 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: maintaining a facade of normalcy. But they're leaving it lunchtime, 622 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,760 Speaker 1: they're coming in late. They aren't seen at their usual 623 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: spots like bowling or choir practice, or whatever they normally 624 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: do shooting range. I don't know who is this person. 625 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: This person is within that community. We are taking your 626 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: calls and nine four nine crime as the reward climbs 627 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: to four hundred thousand dollars, that tip line eight five 628 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: to one one listen. Hope is she comes home safe. 629 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: It's what we've been praying for. It is what everyone's 630 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: been praying for. And we uh, yeah, just that she's 631 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: out there and she's okay, that she's gonna be with 632 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: us very soon. Molly has the biggest heart of anyone 633 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: we know. She's a friend to everyone who has never 634 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: shy to go meet someone and become their friend. To 635 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: everyone she talked to, she became a friend. She just 636 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: shed had room in her heart for everyone. We've you know, 637 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: we've gone through stages is scared and said, and now 638 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: we're just anxious and confused. But the support we've gotten 639 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: from the community, from the from the town of Brooklyn 640 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 1: and surrounding areas has just been amazing. You know, her friends, 641 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: friends of her friends or friends families, it's just it's 642 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: amazing to see how much she meant to a lot 643 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: of people. Molly's brother begging for her return. The police 644 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: theory now Molly is alive and being held kidnapped, but 645 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: how long can that last? The clock is ticking. Tipline 646 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 1: four or five to one, one one one. Wherever you are, 647 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: whoever you are, please bring Molly home