1 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: So I went on the Today's Show to promote money Court, 2 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: and Rewives came up because Andy Cohen jumped into the 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Housewives pool, as many of you know, saying surprising and shocking, 4 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: and I'm doing Rewives. She trashed the Housewives, which I 5 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: actually have in and this whole story, and he's probably 6 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: really regretting saying it because he has to be, you know, 7 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: in the press for three weeks by his own design. 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: I did not say one word about Andy and the press. 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: I never knew I would never talk about something going 10 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: on between us personally in the press. But he was 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: asked a question on his show, which is rating, and 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm talking about it on my show, which is rating 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: because I used to just go on his shows to 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: talk about things so they'll rate, and that's why they 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: want me to be on Watch What Happens Live next 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: week because it's good for ratings. So on my show, 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking about it too. But I go on Today's 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: show and the biggest moment that gets picked up everywhere 19 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: is them asking me about the Andy. You know, you 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: keep repurposing. You're making chicken broth, chicken soup, chicken stew, 21 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: chicken burgers, chicken freaking meatballs, chicken roast, chicken, chicken liver. 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: So this thing keeps living. So all Andy So has 23 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: said was like I was shocked because she trashed the 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: house was and then it gets picked up in the press, 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: and then I respond to it, and it gets picked 26 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: up in the press, and then my response to his 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: response is getting picked up on the press, and then 28 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: I go on Today's show, and then Jodah asks me 29 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: about it, which I didn't mention. I would never mention it, 30 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: and then it gets picked up on the press, and 31 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: so he's been rolling. He doesn't really know exactly what 32 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: it's like to be a housewife. Because now Andy's clumped 33 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: in with two other housewives and about five articles about 34 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: my podcast, which of course is soaring and thriving and 35 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: killing it. So I should send them all edible arrangements 36 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: because the press can't stop talking about it, which is 37 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: why they've all gone noticeably silent. And I guess the 38 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: lesson and the takeaway for people, including Andy, is not 39 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: everything needs to be said, because if you say it, 40 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna be right through that recycle with me for 41 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: weeks talking about my podcast and not yours. So and 42 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: thank you because Andy is one of the people who 43 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: told me to do a podcast, so it's a circular 44 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: reference and surprising that he would air that on his 45 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: radio show when he could just text me because we 46 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: have a textual relationship. So it's all tea worthy. And 47 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm doing his show next week, and I'm sure he 48 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: and his producers will have an arsenal of weapons for 49 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: me to walk in there vetting, you know, Judy Moody's 50 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: questions coming in about it, and I can't wait to 51 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: go on and we can spill that to you the 52 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: day after that, because that should be that should prove 53 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: to be very fruitful. So and he got himself right 54 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: into the Housewives seat unnecessarily, so would never admit that. 55 00:02:47,480 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: But he's also very outspoken, which I appreciate. So I 56 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: don't usually talk about any case anymore because I did 57 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: a cleanse about things that I didn't think we're positive 58 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: for me or for my daughter, or for the environment, 59 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: the social environment. But I do talk about divorce because 60 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: I have institutional knowledge, a decade's worth of institutional knowledge 61 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: about divorce. And there was a big settlement where two 62 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: hundred I think two hundred thousand dollars a month being 63 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: paid in child support to what in this case is 64 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: the moneyed spouse. So the moneyed spouses a term for 65 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: the person who has more money. So it's interesting when 66 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: the moneyed spouse has to be paid child support. And 67 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: there are many ways that child support gets determined. First 68 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: of all, it's different in each state. Uh, And there 69 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: are different formulas. It's literally a formula. And sometimes here's 70 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: what happens. So you go into court and you're trying 71 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: to show the lifestyle that you've become accustomed to and 72 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: that your children have become accustomed to nanny's jewelry vacations, 73 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: whatever that is. That's part of the formula. In addition, um, 74 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: your net worth is relevant. What you make is relevant. 75 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: In that statement, sometimes people try to hide money, try 76 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: to hid money that they make, try to hide their 77 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: net worth. A lot of shady stuff goes on. Sometimes 78 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: forensic accountants get involved. So it's and then there's a formula. 79 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: So it's like one king, you know, I know somebody, 80 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: one child. It's uh, let's say it could be crazy. 81 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: I know that one child could be like fifteen thousand, 82 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: another child we could be like twenty thousand. The whole 83 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: combination could be fifty tho. I mean, I've heard of crazy, 84 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: crazy numbers, and you think, is that really what they're 85 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: spending on the child? And it's often just a formula 86 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: based on the amount of money you have. And during 87 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: pandemics sometimes people during the pandemic, people's salaries changed, their 88 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: income changed, and if you're a wealthy person who has 89 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: a high net worth, it's hard to go back into 90 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: court and say, while I'm not making the money I 91 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: was anymore. Sometimes something really abrupt happens, somebody loses a 92 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: major gig or something really bad happens, and then they 93 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: to go back to court try to get an adjustment. 94 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: It's not that easy with matters of court to have 95 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: things undone. I have intimate experience with this because uh, 96 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: a child support situation was undone, which is remarkable. Um 97 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: And here's how so. So there's a formula, and it 98 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: sometimes will seem crazy. Someone didn't spend fifty a month 99 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: or two thousand a month on their kids, per se, 100 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: and maybe in this big, high profile divorce they did. 101 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: But for the purposes of this conversation, I'm going to 102 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: mention that it's it's the it's the Kanye Kardashian divorce. 103 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: This is an outlier and me talking because I'm not 104 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: talking about I'm talking about a divorce and I'm talking 105 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: about a settlement to kind of give some context. People 106 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: always want me to talk about divorce here, So I 107 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: do want to be able to give a little bit 108 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: of education and caller on something that I do intimately understand. 109 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: So sometimes you have to break the diet for certain reasons. Uh, 110 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: And it's to not talk about them, but it's to 111 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: talk about something in society. So sometimes one party is 112 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: high on the hog and making a lot of money, 113 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: and that's what the child support is determined based off. 114 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: And that's what the situation seems like. Here you have 115 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: a person who fell from grace, had a big cancelation, 116 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: was a billionaire, and that's probably when the tally began, 117 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: the when the formula began, and now they've declined a 118 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: lot in their income. But that judge in that formula 119 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: is already baked. So there's a situation where this person 120 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: could possibly go back and say, look, you saw what happened. 121 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: There's been a significant decrease and look at the comparison 122 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: of what we make and how much money we have 123 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: we because one would say, why would the moneyed spouse 124 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: need all that money. So that's one thing that can happen. 125 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: Number two, Um, the person who has more custody the 126 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: other person has to pay. So let's say it's you know, 127 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: it could be they usually do it out of a 128 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: two week period. One parent could have the child eight 129 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: days out of fourteen, and the other parents could have 130 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: the child six days out of fourteen. The person who 131 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: has the children eight days should be paid child support 132 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: because they have the child for more time. So often 133 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: parents want the child for more time, then they get 134 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: the child for more time. Plus they're also getting child 135 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: support because they have a child for more time. So 136 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: the you know, Kim and Kardashian has primary custody of 137 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: her children, so that's why she's receiving child support, regardless 138 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: of what her financial situation is. There are so many 139 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: ways to create this formula. Another thing that happens um, 140 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: which probably isn't relevant in this case. In general, another 141 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: thing that happens is this is a common one. One 142 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: parent has to pay the other parent child support. Let's 143 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: say it's five thousand dollars. Let's say it's seven thou 144 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: that parents is the other parents not spending any money 145 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: on the kids. The kids have clothes their dirty or 146 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: too small, the kids are eating home every night. The 147 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: mom or the dad is out partying, buying handbags, living 148 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: the life. Then the other paying party gets really frustrated 149 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: and tries to go back. And typically once a judge 150 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: has made that kind of a decision, barring anything drastic, 151 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: they won't do anything to change it. And another thing is, 152 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: you know, the one one thing that courts don't do. 153 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: They don't require any sort of audit. They don't require 154 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: that the one parent being paid all of this money 155 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: show that the money actually went to it's the kids. 156 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: But if you were paying two point five million dollars 157 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: for four kids, so that means six hundred thousand dollars 158 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: a year per kid, presumably someone would want to see 159 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: is that money really going He's spending six thousand dollars 160 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: on the kids in this case probably yes. The vacations 161 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: are lavish, it's another level, but one parent should be 162 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: able to see how that money is being spent. It 163 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: just doesn't happen, and so often one parent is spending 164 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: child support money on themselves. They will justify, oh, the nice, 165 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: fancy car, while the kids drive in that car, it's safe. 166 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: Oh well, the big vacations, while the kids are going 167 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: on the vacasions. Oh we're eating caviar, while the kids 168 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: can have a caveat you know, the bigger house. It's 169 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: for the kids. There's so many justifications. It's a very 170 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: challenging circumstance because it's about money, and it's rarely equitably 171 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: distribute did and it's rarely fairly spent, and it's just 172 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: an equation and a formula that judges need to go by. 173 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: And I've heard crazy, crazy numbers, particularly in Hollywood, UM 174 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: and in just really wealthy individuals. And I've also heard 175 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: crazy situations where someone stuck paying is crazy number when 176 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: their own net worth and earnings have declined, and it's 177 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: just impossible, nearly impossible to go back to court. I've 178 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: done it and have won every time for whatever I've 179 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: gone back for, because you don't go unless you've got something. 180 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: But it's really challenging to have judges undo what they've done.