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Speaker 3: It only takes one is a statement we hear all

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Speaker 3: the time in sports. Whenever somebody says, oh, man, is

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Speaker 3: it coach really gonna want this job? Bo, it don't

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Speaker 3: takes one coach. Oh there's no way that we're gonna

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Speaker 3: see a quarterback get paid that Well, it only takes

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Speaker 3: one team willing to do it. In fact, if you

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Speaker 3: look across the spectrum of sports, things like salary caps

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Speaker 3: where existed because it only takes one person that you

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Speaker 3: simply can't outspend and you simply can't out maneuver financially

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Speaker 3: through the process of trying to find success. I think

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Speaker 3: that it's an important reminder right now because as we

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Speaker 3: talk about things like stadiums being relocated, I want to

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Speaker 3: remind everybody it only takes one city that's willing to

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Speaker 3: do what yours isn't, and that will result in a

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Speaker 3: new stadium being built somewhere else. He's Buck Rising. I'm

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Speaker 3: Jason fitz In for the guys tonight, all the way

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Speaker 3: to two am. Merry Christmas, Happy holidays to everybody hanging

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Speaker 3: out with us. Be safe if you're out there driving

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Speaker 3: to get to your family, take your time. We appreciate

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Speaker 3: you guys spending a little bit of time with us.

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Speaker 3: And Buck, I say it only takes one because I've

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Speaker 3: just sort of gotten into it tonight. I had time.

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Speaker 3: I'm just sitting there watching some Christmas movies. I had time.

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Speaker 3: Everybody was talking about the chief's decision to move from

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Speaker 3: Missouri to Kansas, and the number one thing people love

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Speaker 3: to say here is that cities should not be giving

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Speaker 3: public money to billionaires for stadiums. At its core, I

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Speaker 3: agree with that statement. To be clear, I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I also don't believe in unicorns and pixie dust. So

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Speaker 3: to me, when we say what should be happening, I

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Speaker 3: don't really give a damn about shoulds because shoulds aren't real.

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Speaker 3: So the question is would and when you start to

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Speaker 3: everybody that as long as there is one city in

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Speaker 3: America that will build a stadium for somebody, essentially for free,

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Speaker 3: owners are gonna take advantage of that, whether it's leverage

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Speaker 3: or whether it's for actual relocation. If you want to

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Speaker 3: die on the hill, that we should not put public

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Speaker 3: money towards stadiums. I totally respect the hell out of that.

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Speaker 3: But if another city turns around and says we choose to,

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Speaker 3: I respect the hell out of that. Every state has

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Speaker 3: the right to do whatever the hell they want to.

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Speaker 3: So if you live in Nevada and your state chooses

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Speaker 3: move And does that stink? Yes? But is that just

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Speaker 4: One oh one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I don't think that if the state of

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Speaker 3: that's fine, but they don't get to complain about it

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Speaker 3: when the state of Kansas chooses to, Like, that's Kansas's choice.

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Speaker 5: I did not think that we were going to be

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Speaker 5: having a states rights conversation In all it.

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Speaker 3: Necessarily states rights, because I know that can be a

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Speaker 3: very triggering statement for something like that. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: and a great, great human being, good friend Mamani Jones

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Speaker 3: text me on the side it was like, I totally

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Speaker 3: get your point. You should just never use that phrase.

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Speaker 3: I was heard and learned from that. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: just saying states can choose how they want to how

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Speaker 4: Okay, so I understand you.

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Speaker 5: You presented this to me in the commercial break, is

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Speaker 5: my stadium thesis statement?

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Speaker 4: I said, okay, I'm here to listen. Now.

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Speaker 5: The next question that I have about your stadium thesis

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Speaker 5: A state, depending on how you want to talk about this,

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Speaker 5: outgrow having an NFL franchise, Because I think in the

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Speaker 4: Game during the summer or something like that.

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Speaker 5: Whatever else, What other marquee event would Kansas City, Missouri have?

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Speaker 5: Now losing two NFL franchises in the Rams and the Chiefs,

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Speaker 4: That makes it damn bit of sense.

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Speaker 5: But if college football programs, college athletic departments are going

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Speaker 5: like that, that makes absolutely no sense. Geographically, have we

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Speaker 5: and Northwest Indiana could use something with a little bit

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that that all makes sense, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know the drive time from northwestern

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Speaker 3: going to be the Chicago Bears, right Like that's this

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Speaker 3: isn't as drastic as the Rams moving to LA or

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Speaker 3: It's not as drastic as any of those.

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Speaker 5: I mean, people have been lying about being from Chicago

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Speaker 4: At this point, now they just get to realize their dreams.

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Speaker 3: And so to me, it really is as simple as

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Speaker 4: This is where I guess it's my favorite thing. When

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's just But here's the thing, Like I

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Speaker 3: make it any different a business than Walmart. So you know,

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Speaker 3: They're gonna give me all these tax incentives to move

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Speaker 3: Do we see this all.

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Speaker 4: The time you're running I'm in Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: All these tech companies are moving from from California to Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And part of what the reason they're doing it

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Speaker 3: Like it is incentivized, and it's like, hey, we'll give

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Speaker 3: really care if you're talking about an NFL team, an

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, they're all a business.

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Speaker 3: So we don't limit any other business. Do we just

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Speaker 3: limit this one because we are Our hearts are connected

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Speaker 3: as San Antonio doesn't have an NFL team, or Portland

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Speaker 3: NFL team, do you think that they're not going to

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Speaker 3: eventually use expansion to London is a reason to say, hey,

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Speaker 3: Like every every city's going to have to make this decision.

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Speaker 3: I personally want to live somewhere with professional sports. So

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Speaker 3: go to baseball, basketball, hockey, and football games, that would

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Speaker 3: be worth it to me. For some people, it isn't.

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Speaker 3: So if it isn't worth worth it to you move

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Speaker 3: somewhere where you don't have to pay for it, Like

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Speaker 3: that's you don't have to support the business with your money,

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Speaker 3: but the business doesn't have to turn around and limit

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it really comes down to, like what

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Speaker 5: which also includes Fitzy from time to time, could potentially

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Speaker 4: But what is the value of loyalty?

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Speaker 5: Like genuine what is the true value of fan support

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Speaker 5: quantify the people that will stick with you no matter what?

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Speaker 5: Because the Bears are a huge brand, right That's that's

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Speaker 5: a that's a national fan base that obviously has a

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Speaker 4: Will they follow you no matter what?

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Speaker 5: Or do you risk moving this thing further away from

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Speaker 5: of Chicago, even though Northwest Indiana is you know, I'm

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Speaker 5: sure at most and again I haven't seen the exact

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Speaker 5: gonna be you know, it's gonna be manageable. They will,

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Speaker 5: they will find ways, and hell, it may even mean

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Speaker 5: a transit hub for northwest Indiana.

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Speaker 4: There may already exist. Such things may already exist.

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Speaker 5: I'm not familiar with the infrastructure of northwest Indiana off

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Speaker 4: But for a team like.

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Speaker 5: the Rams are a Super Bowl champion. The Rams have

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Speaker 4: Have you done a Rams game at so far?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: One, they're pretty empty. Yeah, yep.

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Speaker 5: I think that's you know, potentially what's going to happen

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Speaker 5: then they've created something that's not really about the Tennessee

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Speaker 5: turned around and said, I'll do it with three stars.

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Speaker 5: We'll make a millionaires, and we'll kick everybody's ass.

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Speaker 3: I love it, and I think Pate couldn't be more wrong.

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Speaker 3: I think what you just described is why this is

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Speaker 3: the best era in the history of college football. I

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Speaker 3: think that Indiana has every shot. Like I've said to

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Speaker 3: you before, and I'll say it again, I got in

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Speaker 3: the corner of my couch for the Big Ten Championship game.

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Speaker 3: I nestled up in the couch the corner, had the

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Speaker 3: dog on me hanging out right, and pops popcorn. I

447
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Speaker 3: didn't actually have the popcorn, because I'm eating healthy. I

448
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Speaker 3: had some sort of healthy snack. I think it were carrots.

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting on the corner of the sitting on the

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Speaker 3: corner of the couch.

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Speaker 4: Pop corn and carrots ridiculous, But well.

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Speaker 3: I was high. But I've sitt there, I look at

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Speaker 3: the TV and I just said out loud. I was like,

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Speaker 3: all right, show me what you got. And I walked

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Speaker 3: into that game saying, Okay, we've spent all year trying

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Speaker 3: to apologize for what this Indiana team looks like. Show

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Speaker 3: me what you got. And Fernando Mendoza takes that hit

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Speaker 3: in the opening drive, just gets knocked and you know

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Speaker 3: what out like, and I'm looking at it and saying, well,

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Speaker 3: that's it. Back in the game, just playing the way

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Speaker 3: that he played the team speed on the defensive side

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Speaker 3: for Indiana blew my mind just watching that because I've

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Speaker 3: watched them all year, but all year there's been this

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Speaker 3: little caveat not the Oregon game. They were great in

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Speaker 3: the Oregon Game too. I just I felt like this

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Speaker 3: was such a big prove it moment and they did

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Speaker 3: exactly that. Like I think the message here is, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know what, you can go out and yeah, everybody

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Speaker 3: might try and copycat it. But at the same time,

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Speaker 3: schools are copycat and a high name, high profile coaches

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Speaker 3: that they just have to play buyouts on every year.

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Speaker 3: So I think having a team like Indiana win the

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Speaker 3: National championship is assigned to absolutely everybody across the board, Like,

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Speaker 3: if you're Michigan State, if you're Wisconsin, if you're Auburn,

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Speaker 3: if you're half the Big Twelve, if you're half the ACC,

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Speaker 3: you don't have an excuse. You can't turn around and say, oh,

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Speaker 3: we can't do it. We just don't have what those

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Speaker 3: other schools have. Indiana figured it out. If Indiana can

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Speaker 3: figure it out, you can figure it out. I think

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Speaker 3: it's empowered. I think it's great for the sport. I

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Speaker 3: think it's a key, key moment. I don't think Indiana

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Speaker 3: is gonna win the championship. I'll tell you why, though.

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Speaker 3: First let's get an update from Steve Disager on what's

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Speaker 3: going on in the scoreboard right now.

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Speaker 7: Let's start with the NBA scoreboard. The Lakers have dropped

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Speaker 7: consecutive games for the first time this season. They'll be

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Speaker 7: hosting a Christmas showdown with Houston. The Lakers lose and

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Speaker 7: it wasn't closed, one thirty two to one oh eight

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Speaker 7: at Phoenix. Luka Doncic was out for LA with a

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Speaker 7: Bruce caff Austin Reeves did return from injury and off

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Speaker 7: the bench, had seventeen points. Houston has the late game

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Speaker 7: there at the Clippers late first half. Clippers up fifty

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Speaker 7: six fifty four clips with a seven and twenty one record.

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Speaker 7: Dallas beat Denver one thirty one to one, thirty Cooper

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Speaker 7: Flag thirty three points, Anthony Davis with thirty one. San

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Speaker 7: Antonio won its seventh straight game, won thirty to one

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Speaker 7: ten over Oklahoma City with a dominant last ten minutes.

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Speaker 7: They win despite thirty three points from Shay Gilgis Alexander

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Speaker 7: at Minnesota, thirty eight for Anthony Edwards in a victory

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Speaker 7: against New York one fifteen to one. Oh four wins

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Speaker 7: for Milwaukee and Cleveland, and among the games in progress,

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Speaker 7: the Pistons trying to go to twenty four and six,

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Speaker 7: our leading early third quarter at Sacramento seventy seven to

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Speaker 7: sixty five, and it's only a third quarter. Well, they've

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Speaker 7: just excuse me, the third quarter. It is at Portland

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Speaker 7: Magic seventy four fifty seven against Portland, and they've just

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Speaker 7: gone final at Utah, Memphis wins one thirty seven one,

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Speaker 7: twenty eights over the Jazz. Thirty seven points for Santi

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Speaker 7: Al dama As. For the college basketball, Saint John's defeated

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Speaker 7: Hartford eighty five fifty nine. Villanova won at Seaton Hall

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Speaker 7: sixty four fifty six among the thirteen NHL games. Detroit

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Speaker 7: in overtime beat Dallas Nashville in overtime one at Minnesota.

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Speaker 7: Brooks Kopka is leaving liv Golf to stay closer to home.

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Speaker 7: He had one year left on his contract. He can

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Speaker 7: still play the four majors thanks to a five year

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Speaker 7: exemption as a recent PGA Championship winner. Bryce Harper says

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Speaker 7: he will play for Team USA and the World Baseball

518
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Speaker 7: Classic in March. Pirates reportedly gave All star Ryan O'Hearn

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Speaker 7: a two year deal. He played this past season first

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Speaker 7: base right field in DH for Baltimore and San Diego

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Speaker 7: and batted two eighty one. The White Sox signed left

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Speaker 7: he pitcher Sean Newcomb. He pitched for the Red Sox

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Speaker 7: and A's last year with an e ARAF two point

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Speaker 7: seventy three, mostly as a reliever. College football Bowl wins

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Speaker 7: for Western Kentucky and Louisville. The late game the Frisco

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Speaker 7: Bowl in texas As, Ohio U leading fourteen to three

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Speaker 7: over UNLV going to the fourth quarter to the NFL.

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Speaker 7: The two game suspension of Steelers wide receiver DK Metcalf

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Speaker 7: was upheld. He had appealed. Quarterback JJ McCarthy of the

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Speaker 7: Vikings will miss the Christmas game against the Lions. He

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Speaker 7: has a hairline fracture in his right hand. Green Bay

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Speaker 7: quarterback Jordan Love, still in concussion protocol, was limited at

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Speaker 7: practice today and his backup QB Malik Willis was limited

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Speaker 7: with the sore shoulder and the Commander's host Dallas On Christmas.

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Speaker 7: Washington quarterback Marcus Mariota missed another walkthrough due to hand

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Speaker 7: and quad injuries. The Pro Bowl teams were announced and

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Speaker 7: there are nineteen first timers. Four teams have six Pro

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Speaker 7: Bowlers each. Those four are Denver and Baltimore, Seattle and

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Speaker 7: San Francisco. The three AFC quarterbacks Josh Allen, Drake May

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Speaker 7: and Justin Herbert. The three NFC quarterbacks Matthew Stafford, Dak

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Speaker 7: Prescott and Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 3: Back to you, Thanks last Steve, He's Buck Rising. I'm

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Speaker 3: Jason fitz Bucke Fits hanging out with you on Fox

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Speaker 3: Sports Radio. Don't forget if you missed any of today's show,

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Speaker 3: Smith and Mike Harmon wherever you get your podcast. Right

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Speaker 3: your podcast, you'll find today's full show and a best

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Speaker 3: of version posted right after the end of the show.

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Speaker 3: I looked and according to my phone, right now, one

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Speaker 3: of my email accounts has one hundred and forty three

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Speaker 3: thousan five hundred and sixty four unread message. So I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm on fire. I'm doing God's disgusts. Ye, well

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Speaker 3: there we go. I am with you on the one

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Speaker 3: for Indiana, and I'll be honest like this is this

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Speaker 3: is the most real thing I can ever admit here

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Speaker 3: there is if Indiana was in Indiana, I think they

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Speaker 3: would be getting a lot more love to be the

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Speaker 3: national champion this year, Like if it was the same

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Speaker 3: exact Indiana team. We're just so not used to seeing

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Speaker 3: Indiana in these situations. I think there's been slow for

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Speaker 3: buy in, and so there is this moment for me.

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Speaker 3: You're right there, favored by six and a half currently

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Speaker 3: against Alabama. I just love proof of concept. So to me,

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Speaker 3: I look at how strong. Georgia has played of late,

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Speaker 3: and I look at Kirby smart and proof of concept.

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Speaker 3: From a coaching standpoint, He's got a national championship. Just

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Speaker 3: the process of getting through the playoff, the process of

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Speaker 3: being in a championship game, it's all so new. I

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Speaker 3: have a hard time just imagining that the jump could

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Speaker 3: just be completed. For Indiana, it feels like there's still

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Speaker 3: a step. I know that's a terrible like actual analysis,

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Speaker 3: because there aren't many problems. Indiana did lose one of

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Speaker 3: their best pass rushers after the Big Ten Championship came

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Speaker 3: to a freak injury where he's high fiving fans. Really

578
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: unfortunate moment. They'll have to replace some of that pressure

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Speaker 3: that they'll be able to try and create. I think

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Speaker 3: it Indiana beats Alabama, I have no doubt about that.

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Speaker 3: It's just getting all the way to that championship when

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Speaker 3: everything gets a little tighter. I like a coach that's

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Speaker 3: been there, and Georgia playing as well as they are.

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Speaker 3: Even though I like Fernando more than I like Gunner,

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Speaker 3: I lean Georgia.

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Speaker 4: So you you think that Georgia is the best team

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Speaker 4: in the field.

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Speaker 3: I think that they're the best equipped for a playoff run.

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Speaker 5: Well, no, and that matters, right, I mean that I

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Speaker 5: think that it's Signetty's been in a lot of big games,

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Speaker 5: but not as the guy, right, And it's It's one

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Speaker 5: of those things that we struggle with, I think as

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Speaker 5: an industry in sports.

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Speaker 4: Talk media, sports.

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Speaker 5: Talk radio, podcast, TV, whatever the case may be, are

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Speaker 5: we capable of believing without it being just chalking it

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Speaker 5: up the blind faith or whole for whatever, that something

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Speaker 5: like this could happen before we actually see it happen.

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Speaker 4: Like, is there an analytical.

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Speaker 5: Way to approach this by saying, no, they actually are

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Speaker 5: equipped to face the kind of teams in the field

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Speaker 5: that they will face based on what we have seen

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Speaker 5: from them in the regular season, or will it just

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Speaker 5: be a completely different experience. Will they have a moment

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Speaker 5: like Penn State? For example, Indiana went to Penn State

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Speaker 5: this year and they out blew it. Mendoza didn't play

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Speaker 5: a great game, threw an interception that put him in

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Speaker 5: a hole early on.

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Speaker 4: They had to dig their way out of it.

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Speaker 5: They did on one of the most spectacular final drives

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Speaker 5: with Amari Cooper in the back of the end zone.

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Speaker 5: The whole thing right, winning at Happy Valley for the

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Speaker 5: first time in program history, and a game that Indiana.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Indiana had a couple of those this year.

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Speaker 5: They went to Iowa. They never went at Iowa. They

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Speaker 5: went to Penn State, they never went to Penn State,

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Speaker 5: they did both. Do we just consider the playoff to

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Speaker 5: be an entirely different atmosphere? Do we consider Indiana to

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Speaker 5: have had that much of an easy or that much

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Speaker 5: easier of a path than any of these other teams

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Speaker 5: in the field based on what we now know about

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Speaker 5: the level of competition in the SEC and what Oregon

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Speaker 5: is versus what Oregon has actually done, and what the

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Speaker 5: best win on their resume really is, And how do

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Speaker 5: we feel about Texas Tech as a bit of a

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Speaker 5: wild card in all of this situation? Like, I just

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Speaker 5: don't think that Indiana and Georgia are that different except

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Speaker 5: for the thing that you've cited, which is Kirby Smart

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Speaker 5: is a national champion multiple times over, and that he

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Speaker 5: understands how to put his team in the best position

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Speaker 5: to succeed. And you know, Caitlin de Bore may have

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Speaker 5: got me once, but he's not going to get me

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Speaker 5: when it matters.

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Speaker 3: I think, for me. Everything you just said is so true.

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Speaker 3: But I also think I universally apply, you know, have

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Speaker 3: I seen it before to everything in life. Like if somebody,

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Speaker 3: if you're listening to this right now, and you're you know,

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Speaker 3: you work for a financial company and the absolute biggest

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Speaker 3: pitch of your life, you need somebody to make that

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Speaker 3: pitch that has never made it before. They got to

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Speaker 3: go in and do their first ever presentation. You're probably

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Speaker 3: a little bit nervous, right Like. I certainly remember my

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Speaker 3: first ever shot at doing a real radio show. I

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Speaker 3: remember my first day, my first TV shot live on

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Speaker 3: TV at ESPN. I'd never even done a camera test.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we were live five minutes before. The producer

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Speaker 3: handed me a rundown and I said, what's a rundown?

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Speaker 3: I'd never seen a TV rundown before? Like, and I

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Speaker 3: was live on TV five minutes later, right Like, that

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Speaker 3: could have crashed and burned. Now I handled that moment,

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Speaker 3: and luckily enough, that helped change my life. I remember

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Speaker 3: the first time I stood up on the stage in

653
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: front of people with a musical instrument, right Like, it

654
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what you do. The first time you drive

655
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: a truck, you think you're prepared to drive a truck,

656
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: but then you get out there, you know you don't know, right,

657
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: So for me, it's sort of a truth in life

658
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: that you know so often we just don't know how

659
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: people handle new pressure. And so certainly that's that's a

660
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: cop out, and I'm willing to admit that's a cop out.

661
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: Like you can't. You can't judge Fernando Mendos on what

662
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: he hasn't seen it. It's why I think these playoffs

663
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: are so important for quarterbacks, right Like we I do

664
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: believe that the current college football playoff system is going

665
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: to give us better prepared NFL quarterbacks because we have

666
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: more tape and evidence on how they handle pressure situations.

667
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: We are going to learn about Fernando through this playoffs.

668
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: We're going to learn about Dante Moore in these playoffs.

669
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: We learned about Ty Simpson certainly in that first playoff game.

670
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: He definitely changed some minds in the way he played

671
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: that game. Like we're gonna learn about Gunner Stockton and

672
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: some like you know what I mean. Like, so I

673
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: do think that I'm universal in this. I want to

674
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: see it in pressure moments to believe it.

675
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 5: No, it's fair and the idea of new pressure and

676
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 5: these different atmospheres, these different environments, these different all these different.

677
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 4: Variables that are are just such.

678
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 5: A fun science experiment college football playoff.

679
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 4: Is, but be on the G five.

680
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 5: We don't need to get into the nonsense that well,

681
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 5: I mean, just a waste of time these two lane

682
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 5: ole miss games, and respectfully for James Madison, like there

683
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 5: that game should have come with a like a warning

684
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 5: label like a pack of cigarettes, like it's going to

685
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 5: be physically bad for your health to be on the

686
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 5: same field as a completely different caliber of athlete.

687
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 4: It is borderline unsafe.

688
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 5: But the idea of new pressure, the whole way through,

689
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 5: is the thing that makes this all fascinating because we

690
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 5: are in an atmosphere that creates these kind of situations

691
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 5: not with regularity, but we're still learning about all the

692
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 5: different all the different impacts of the new age of

693
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 5: college athletics, and we're seeing it on a huge stage,

694
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Speaker 5: and we're probably going to get an expanded playoff at

695
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 5: some point. They haven't, I know, they have a deadline

696
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 5: for the sixteen team playoff as they're working towards the

697
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 5: different things like that and how much more television money

698
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 5: is going to be involved in all of this.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to find out. Man.

700
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Speaker 5: I genuinely don't know what to do with the College

701
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 5: Football Playoff.

702
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 4: This year, and that has to be the kind of

703
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 4: element that they were going for, right.

704
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 5: It's not It's not parody in the NFL sense, because

705
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 5: there's so many more college programs and so many different

706
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 5: things where you're dealing with the amount of transfers and

707
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 5: the age of the athletes and all of this different

708
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 5: stuff that has to be considered. But it's it's a

709
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 5: closer version to that while still maintaining the things that

710
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 5: we love about college football.

711
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: Well, the College Football Playoff might be in for a

712
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: big change anyway, because the world is reacting to Notre Dame.

713
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: What's it mean for the future of the College Football Playoff?

714
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: And how is college football going to handle Notre Dame?

715
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: As soon as next season, we'll talk about it next

716
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Speaker 3: He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. Bucket Fit's hanging out

717
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: with you on Fox Sports Radio.

718
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith

719
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven

720
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Speaker 2: pm Pacific.

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Speaker 3: He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz bucket Fit's hanging out

722
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Speaker 3: with you and for Jason Smith and Mike Harmen. Fancy

723
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: got a question for you. Yeah, what's up.

724
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Speaker 4: You're a big star Wars guy, right, yeah.

725
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. This is Christopher Lee, this is Count Dooku right here.

726
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Speaker 3: Really yeah. Wow. I don't know how I feel about that.

727
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: I don't know how I feel about that. You know,

728
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: here's the thing. I think sometimes actors try to be musicians,

729
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: and I hate it when somebody says you can't do

730
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 3: it because you're an actor, and that means you're not

731
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: going to be a good musician. That is not true. However,

732
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: I do think that there are we just need more

733
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: people in the world that, you know, maybe have some

734
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 3: honest people around them when it comes to the music

735
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: side of it. I just I think there's a lot

736
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: of people that are like, oh my god, but there's

737
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: like you just I don't know, man, it's just that

738
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: he should stick to acting. I'm just saying he should.

739
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 4: Sick.

740
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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, buck, am I wrong? Were you

741
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 3: listening to that and you were like rooving with it? No?

742
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 5: I was just I it's such an obscure poll by

743
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 5: bo the Count dook who's singing Christmas Care.

744
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 4: To guitar, like hardcore guitar, not hardcore, kind.

745
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: Of beautiful people sort of riff going in the back

746
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 3: to it felt like it was a little Marilyn Mansony

747
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: on there.

748
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a very I'm impressed with the depth of

749
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 5: Chris miss and holiday music that Bow has has gone

750
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 5: to to provide us some additional entertainment.

751
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

752
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like if you're a person of

753
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Speaker 5: a certain level of competency, if you're excellent at what

754
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 5: you're doing. I'm not saying that that particularly. The name

755
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 5: is Christopher Lee.

756
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 4: Is that right? They hear that correctly? Okay, Uh so,

757
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know what else he was in.

758
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 5: He's not He's not Morgan Freeman or Robert de Niro

759
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 5: or whatever in a lot of movies.

760
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm being disrespectful, then I'm being mean.

761
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: Like if you googled him, you know, I think so

762
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: I think so, Okay, well.

763
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 4: Now I feel bad.

764
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Speaker 5: But either way, if you're if you're a person, like

765
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Speaker 5: if you're in the entertainment sphere and you're really good

766
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 5: at what you do, and you're like, yeah, I could

767
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 5: probably probably try my hand at this damn if they

768
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 5: tell me that I can't do it, I've done. I've

769
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 5: done a million different things that people have told me

770
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 5: I can't do my entire career.

771
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Speaker 4: Why can't I do this?

772
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 5: I just feel like people get to a point where

773
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 5: either you get promoted to uh to a point of

774
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 5: failure where you've achieved your sense of competency, or if

775
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 5: you've you've eclipsed your sense of competency, and all of

776
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 5: a sudden, you're like, Ah, that was fun, and you're

777
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 5: really good at all this other stuff, and we put

778
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 5: you on this thing because we thought you'd be good

779
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 5: at it, because you're so good at everything else that

780
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 5: we put you in front of that it ends up

781
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 5: not being great. It's kind of like Dennis Miller and

782
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 5: Tony Tony Kornheiser on Monday Night Football, Like I got

783
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 5: what they were going for, but it never really quite worked.

784
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 5: Doesn't mean that those two people aren't excellent and everything

785
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 5: else that they do, but in that particular moment, it

786
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 5: just didn't quite hit. I feel the same about the

787
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 5: idea of people having that kind of crossover in the

788
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 5: entertainment space.

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Speaker 3: I think, and I've never really thought about this until

790
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: this exact moment. So I'm going to workshop this with you.

791
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 3: But I feel like the accessibility, there are very few

792
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: creative endeavors that are more accessible to have in at

793
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 3: least a floor of competence and quality than music because

794
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 3: you can just buy it, like you can essentially, like

795
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: if you're doing a little drummer boy and you have

796
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: enough money in the bank, you can hire great studio musicians, right,

797
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: you can hire a great producer, hire a great mixer.

798
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: You can hire all of these and it's gonna cost

799
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: you a fraction a fraction of what it would cost.

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00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: Like if a musician wanted to make a movie, you're

801
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 3: talking about an astronomical amount of money. You know, if

802
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: you want to get into most other creative spaces, you're

803
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: talking about an astronomical amount of money. If you're a

804
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 3: very successful actor or model or any of these things,

805
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: Like you work in creative spaces and you are very successful.

806
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: I mean, for the for less than it would cost

807
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: you to get a fancy car, you could hire the

808
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: best musicians, mixers, and producers in the world and all

809
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: you got to do is sing over the track. Right, So, like,

810
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: I just think that the accessibility, especially if you're rich

811
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Speaker 3: enough to put out something it makes you feel like

812
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: you're better than you are. That's all, like I just

813
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: not better than you are as a person, better than

814
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 3: you are as a talent. Like you can have absolutely

815
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: no musical ability but still hire great musicians, producers and mixers,

816
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you're still gonna put out

817
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: something that sounds at least decent, so that empowers people

818
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 3: that maybe don't have the basic need to be empowered.

819
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Speaker 3: That was very condescending of Mendissent.

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Speaker 5: Well much less than I mean, there's there's always just

821
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 5: kind of an underlying current of condescension on the show.

822
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 5: I think it's also compative by the idea that you

823
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 5: could make significantly better music than the music that just

824
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 5: brought us back with Chad GPT and it's scary and

825
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 5: it's terrifying, and it's you know, I mean, there's you

826
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 5: can still kind of tell that it's not entirely authentic, uh,

827
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 5: but in certain situations you may not even care because.

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Speaker 4: It's trendy and it's a it's an earworm and whatever.

829
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,959
Speaker 4: It's that. We've never we've never lowered the bar more

830
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 4: than we have in the year.

831
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Speaker 5: Twenty twenty five for what passes as acceptable music.

832
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Speaker 3: Oh, and it's that like, AI in music is only

833
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: going to overtake all of it. And this is where

834
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 3: you know, people come in all the time, especially because

835
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: my past in music. Everybody says, oh, you must have

836
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 3: deep thoughts on it, like, oh my god, I should

837
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: use my mic to try and push back on it.

838
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 3: I look at all of it, and it's inevitable. I mean,

839
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 3: the fact is thirty forty years ago, when you would

840
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: hear an orchestra on a on a song that was

841
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: a bunch of real musicians. And then you know, if

842
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: you listen to like all the famous Coldplay records, that

843
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: you hear those big string sections, that's one guy with

844
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 3: a keyboard like he's using computer programs and he's playing

845
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: the strings on top of it. Nobody ever listened to

846
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: it and thought, wow, is that mostly artificial music or

847
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: is that real music? Like, it's inevitable. Musicians are going

848
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 3: to be replaced on all of these massive records. AI

849
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 3: is going to take over, and the modern generation isn't

850
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: gonna give it. Damn. As long as they can, as

851
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 3: long as they can bop to their K pop, they're

852
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 3: gonna be just fine, and it's it's it's inevitable. That's

853
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: again me ever the nihilist.

854
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 4: I've never sounded older than Bop to their K pop.

855
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much. That might be, you know,

856
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: maybe that maybe that's what I'll call the next record

857
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: that I put out. But I can assure you, whatever

858
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 3: it is, it will sound better than a little drummer boy.

859
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: It just sounded. I am going to fix the rivalry

860
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: that is. I'm just being honest. Between a Notre Dame

861
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 3: and college football. I've got all of it. I've got

862
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: a way to solve it where college football can shut

863
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 3: Notre Dame down. I'll tell you how Next Bucking fits.

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio