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Speaker 2: hour two.

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Speaker 1: We're ready to roll. We are live. It is the Herd.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck's around the corner. Quarterbacks, all of them flip

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Speaker 1: girls planning, Mahomes is planning. Everybody but Aaron and Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 1: They're not playing. And we'll get to the Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: back injury on that. It was fun. I sat and

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Speaker 1: watched the Bears and Dolphins. I watched the Jets and

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Speaker 1: the Packers. Boy, Jets looked like it's one of the

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Speaker 1: great teams ever assembled in Lambeau. It's all us funny.

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Speaker 1: How good the Jets look in August.

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Speaker 2: It's just amazing. And they got Jones coming off the

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Speaker 2: pup list. That's the kid at f who was awesome

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Speaker 2: two years ago, missed all of the last year. I'm

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Speaker 2: just telling you that defense has a chance to be

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Speaker 2: nasty the front seven. Sauce Gardner got paid. He's happy.

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Speaker 2: The defense will be a problem.

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Speaker 1: No, I am Pauth, Aaron Glenn's defensive coach. I don't

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Speaker 1: doubt that. Here you go, all right, we do it

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Speaker 1: every Monday. It's more fun, obviously when we have football.

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Speaker 1: Colin right, Colin wrong, and here we go.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Jim Harball a couple of years ago when he drafted

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Speaker 1: Joe Alt. Remember last year's draft, and everybody said, oh

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Speaker 1: I should have taken a receiver. Well Tate, we defended him.

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Speaker 1: We said, no, go Joe Alt. And Joe Alt is

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Speaker 1: saving the season. Rashaun Slater's out for the year at

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Speaker 1: left tackle. They can move Joe Alt, who I've been

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Speaker 1: told has had a great camp. They can now move

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Speaker 1: him to the left tackle. Mackai Becton maybe goes to

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Speaker 1: right tackle. But this is why he's the anti Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 1: It's all about building center guard tackles out, not wide

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Speaker 1: receivers in. And that Joe all Pick everybody wanted to

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Speaker 1: They were fine that Joe altpick could have saved the season.

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Speaker 1: Where Colin was wrong, Well, arch Mannings family is saying

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Speaker 1: he's staying at Texas two more years. So I will

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Speaker 1: take for now a wrong. I think if he slices

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Speaker 1: up Ohio State there is going to be incredible momentum.

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Speaker 1: I think he's really good. I didn't watch a ton

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Joe Shed Dolphin's reporter reporting that culture, accountability, and physicality

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Speaker 1: are what Mike McDaniels is preaching in this camp.

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Speaker 2: What a shock.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what we've been saying, and it gotten We've

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Speaker 1: of sizzle three years into this coaching reign. Where's the stake,

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Speaker 1: where's the meat and the sandwich? They're not physical, Tyreek

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Speaker 1: teams are physical and they can be Finesse. Finally, I

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Speaker 2: The issue is where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Fifty NFL executives and coaches came out in Mike Sando's

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Speaker 1: annual survey, and they've got bow Knicks tied for the

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Speaker 1: twentieth best quarterback in the league, below Geno Smith. You know,

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Speaker 1: Well, not to pick on anybody, but the last two

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Speaker 1: in year three. You got to be able to play.

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Speaker 1: And so I had said this going into the season.

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Speaker 1: He has Shane Steichen, one of the really bright offensive minds,

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Speaker 2: Miss where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Even the NBA is acknowledging with their Christmas and Opening

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Speaker 1: the San Antonio Spurs against the thunder Rockets, Lakers, MAVs, Warriors,

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Speaker 2: It's the Knicks.

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Speaker 1: The West is so much better than the East. Honest

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Speaker 1: to god, it feels like the SEC in the Pac twelve.

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Speaker 2: For about fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: Even their opening night games are a hundred percent Western

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Speaker 1: Conference teams. And that's with big brands out East Philly,

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Speaker 1: Eastern Conference finals. They're a five seed probably maybe a

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Speaker 2: I'm very interesting in and you are interesting, Colin.

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Speaker 3: You are.

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Speaker 1: It's supposed to be a little Okay, first, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to start with them jealous because you and I love this.

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Speaker 1: Took the train and went to a Nate barghozis a

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Speaker 1: I think he's absolutely outrageously funny. So I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: say right now, I'm not only jealous of your pro

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Speaker 1: career but your comedic choices. So congratulations. You're a little

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good, I'm good.

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Speaker 4: But listen, you were at the Live tour, so it's

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Speaker 4: not like you had a boring I mean, come on,

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Speaker 1: So I said, it's okay if you don't want to

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Speaker 1: pay play Caleb Williams. But I do think it was

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Speaker 1: a little strategic. Burrow played, Mahomes played Spencer Ratler played

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Speaker 1: everybody but Tom Brady played like the whole world played

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Speaker 1: this weekend, and it was almost like he was saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's not quite there. I don't need another

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Speaker 1: week of heat from the Chicago media. He took a

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Speaker 4: I mean, everything that Caleb Williams does because he was

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Speaker 4: everyone around him last year, built the team around him

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Speaker 4: this year, everything he does is under the microscope. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure there is some of that protecting him. There's

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Speaker 4: also something with joint practices now where coaches don't feel

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Speaker 4: where guys don't take hits with the quarterback, where's a

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Speaker 3: And I think that might be part of this.

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Speaker 4: Also, if there wasn't a joint practice, I think he

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I said this sort of about Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 1: You and your generation got thrown to the Wolves. You

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Speaker 1: Jackson dart is a three year starter in the SEC

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Speaker 1: with Lane Kiffen. It's had private coaching seven on seven.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about you know, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: work him in. It's like, you know what, Matt, they

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Speaker 1: I maybe you give Russell the first start. This is

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Speaker 2: But no, I did I did.

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Speaker 4: I grew up in the era of you know, you

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Speaker 4: to the plan They've invested heavily in veteran quarterbacks, in

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Speaker 4: made mistakes, had success in Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 4: So I think they're going to be slow and measured

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Speaker 4: But I do, but I don't think he's ready. And

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Speaker 4: I do think the best plan is to start a

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Speaker 3: But here's the danger.

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Speaker 4: Don't just have him sit there and watch, train him

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Speaker 4: back watching Alex Smith start during his rookie year at

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Speaker 4: the Kansas City Chiefs. There's activeness to the passivity of

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Speaker 1: So I watched every snap Shador Sanders took, and I

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Speaker 1: know there's a lot I don't know, film study, galvanizing teammates,

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Speaker 1: coach ability, pre snap stuff. I've always understood that's thirty

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Speaker 2: I don't see that, but I do see.

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Speaker 1: How comfortable are you frenetic Are you comfortable, are you confident?

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Speaker 1: Do you move well? All the stuff that I'm allowed

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Speaker 1: to see. I think Chadur's college trades transfer to the NFL.

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Speaker 4: I'm someone who would buy on the Minnesota Vikings right now.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck road weary, I mean just literally racing to

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Speaker 2: The effort awesome. See you, Colin? All right?

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Speaker 1: So this is interesting. From the the Athletic Mike Sandos

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Speaker 2: to a quarterback in the AFC column. The number one

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Speaker 2: overall picked Cam Ward. He made his preseason debut against

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Speaker 2: with Calvin Ridley, they had a nice touchdown drive. Coach

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Speaker 2: Brian Callahan knows there's more work to be done. Despite

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Speaker 2: the impressive showing.

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Speaker 6: Camp certainly hasn't arrived yet. You know, we got a

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Speaker 6: lot of things still we're working on. I thought it

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Speaker 6: was a good start for him. Encouraging was productive, But yeah,

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Speaker 6: there's a there's a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of things that were keep grinding on.

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Speaker 6: I think, still working on getting the ball out fast,

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Speaker 6: still working on the timing part of it. There's certainly

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Speaker 6: plenty of things that we're still working on with Cam.

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Speaker 2: I thought he looked really comfortable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't think he has much to work

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Speaker 1: with at wide receiver. He doesn't have a one or two.

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Speaker 1: He's got a bunch of threes and fours.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think he's just I think you and I would

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Speaker 1: both agree it just looks right. He's got an offensive coach.

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Speaker 1: I think his offensive line is fine. I feel like

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Speaker 1: they never have enough, even when they had aj Brown.

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Speaker 2: I always feel like.

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Speaker 1: The Titans are weapon light, right, But I thought he

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Speaker 1: looked good.

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Speaker 2: Interesting that he was the number one overall pick. We

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Speaker 2: only get him to to him ninety minutes into the show. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: fifth round pick Shader Sanders is in a tunneled chatter

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Speaker 2: video that goes viral. Everybody's breaking down all this passes

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Speaker 2: Cam Moore doing it quietly, Colin. I spent some time

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Speaker 2: looking into the Titans' schedule, which is a reason I'm

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Speaker 2: bullish on them. So ten of their final fifteen opponents

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Speaker 2: are not favored to make the playoffs, meaning they have

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Speaker 2: them currently out of the playoffs. They're back end of

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Speaker 2: the schedule, final fifteen ten of They're gonna be like

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Speaker 2: a tight point spread in those games. Colin, this is

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Speaker 2: a team I think we legitimately need to watch. Remember

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Speaker 2: last year Will Levis four pick sixes. I think the

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Speaker 2: Titans led the NFL and turnovers. This could shockingly be

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Speaker 2: a ten win team in Tennessee with Kimball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the division you play in

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Speaker 1: goes along. I mean it helped jayde Daniels that he

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Speaker 1: got Dallas twice and the New York Giants twice, Like

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Speaker 1: it does help. And I also think, you know, you

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Speaker 1: play in that division, not a lot of you got

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Speaker 1: some dome games. You got warm weather road games. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and say what you want. It is harder for a

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Speaker 1: young quarterback or any quarterback to play lousy weather, you know. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of a warm weather conference. There's

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Speaker 1: no dominant team, there's no dominant defense in the conference. Well,

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Speaker 1: and if you start looking at if you start looking

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Speaker 1: at a lot of those teams around him, he's not

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Speaker 1: He could be playing with leads or very close games.

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Speaker 1: So and you and I both like Callahan. I think

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Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing. I think you know the

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Speaker 1: Titans need If you told me the Titans like had

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Speaker 1: a number one, had had a neighbors like like had

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Speaker 1: a legitimate number one, even Aladdin McConkey, like a slot

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Speaker 1: guy that's gonna get eighty catches, like, I would feel different.

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Speaker 1: I just think they're gonna they're gonna have to win

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Speaker 1: twenty one twenty a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, these first two games are really brutal out

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Speaker 2: of the gate. They got to go to Denver at altitude.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest spread of Week one. I

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Speaker 2: think I saw seven and a half. Then they host

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Speaker 2: the Rams. Maybe they catch him napping after that. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to say it's smooth sailing. I'm I'm down

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Speaker 2: on the coast. Cullin and I when you were out Friday,

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Speaker 2: I floated this, what if the Colts get the number

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Speaker 2: one pick in the draft, does Arch Manning come out

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Speaker 2: to go to Indy where Peyton his uncle kind of

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Speaker 2: sort of thrive. I think the Colts are going to

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Speaker 2: be bad. I'm really down on them after that preseason

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Speaker 2: game and some of the stuff I've been reading. I

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Speaker 2: think that division the Titans could win. It could win

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Speaker 2: the division. Well it's not crazy. A lot of people

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Speaker 2: like Houston, Well they should.

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Speaker 1: They have a proven coach, a playoff coach, and a

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Speaker 1: playoff quarterback.

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Speaker 2: How's that offensive line there, buddy? All right, let's move

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Speaker 2: on to the second story. Let's go to the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: They have the league's highest paid quarterback in Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 2: But that's not the signal caller Jerry Jones was praising

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Speaker 2: ahead of their preseason game against the Rams. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you saw this video, here's who Jerry believes he got

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Speaker 2: for a steal.

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Speaker 5: I really have to pinch myself that we got him

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Speaker 5: after the last game that he had starting there for

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Speaker 5: New England. I'm just excited that we had a chance

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Speaker 5: to get him and he hasn't. Just a point where

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Speaker 5: just more and more encouraged about what we're saying.

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Speaker 2: That's your boy, Joe Milton. Where's a scene of nineteen

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Speaker 2: for D forty three? Shador got a little poster. Where's

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Speaker 2: Joe Milton's poster. I'll say this, dude's got an arm.

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Speaker 2: He's a little inconsistent, but he's got an arm. He's

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Speaker 2: a lot like sounds a lot like me. Anyways, the

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Speaker 2: final story NBA, cal look at this late August, We've

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Speaker 2: got NBA because it's Luka Doncic. Now, I know you're

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Speaker 2: not paying attention to EuroBasket right now, but Luca was

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Speaker 2: absolutely cooking for Slovenia. Nineteen points five assists in just

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Speaker 2: twenty four minutes. And then it gets interesting. There is

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Speaker 2: a report, as Luca Doncic's teammates praised his leadership and

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Speaker 2: the new look Luca, there's a report that he is

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Speaker 2: down thirty pounds this summer. Now, I don't know how

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Speaker 2: accurate that could be. Could you lose thirty pounds in

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Speaker 2: the summer if you're not doing like one of the

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Speaker 2: GLP drugs. He looks thinner, but he was on fire

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Speaker 2: in EuroBasket. He looked amazing. Or then season's closing in

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Speaker 2: for Luca.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we've said this, Luke. This is like year two.

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Speaker 1: Luca is he was unstoppable. He was. He was forty

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Speaker 1: a night if he wanted to score that. And because

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Speaker 1: he's in great shape, he'll play more minutes and he'll

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Speaker 1: want the ball more. This will be the first year

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Speaker 1: in Lebron's career where you will notice how much better

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Speaker 1: the best player on a team is than Lebron, because

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Speaker 1: Lebron's not going to get the ball in his hands

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Speaker 1: nearly as much. Last year was lumpy Luca.

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Speaker 2: I'll stop it.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was he. I mean, if you lose

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Speaker 1: thirty pounds a pro athlete, he didn't weigh three hundred,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, so, I mean he look at it.

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Speaker 1: Just look at his upper body. He looks much thinner.

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Speaker 1: He's going to play more minutes and he's going to

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Speaker 1: dominate the ball like he couldn't dominate the ball. Last year,

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Speaker 1: he couldn't beat people off the dribble. First year he

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Speaker 1: had like twenty five dunks. Last year I had won.

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Speaker 1: He was a different player. This Luca will be noticeably

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Speaker 1: better than Lebron. Lebron will average twenty two a game

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Speaker 1: and Luca's going to average thirty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I'm excited. I know he's not a big

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Speaker 2: media guy, but a lot of reports he's going to

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Speaker 2: be moving into the South Bay out here in La

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Speaker 2: colin If I can get him on the show, come on,

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Speaker 2: I know you'd be thrilled. Right, come on, I'll be

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Speaker 2: seeing him at the dunkin Donuts, the beverage shops. You

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Speaker 2: know he likes his sweet tooth. I cannot wait for

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Speaker 2: Luca to dominate the season. Yeah, J Mack with a news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd line.

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Speaker 1: Now, Matt Hasselbeck was money. We have Chris Sims coming

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Speaker 1: up in the next hour. It is I Also, I

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Speaker 1: was talking this weekend and I think I have two

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Speaker 1: more opportunities. I think Wednesday or Thursday, I have two

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Speaker 1: more opportunities. Let's make it Wednesday. To alter my NFL predictions. Now,

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Speaker 1: I always do it on Thursday of opening night. That's

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Speaker 1: my final opportunity. And so I think the starting quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in the league got some snaps. Now I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're going to get as many. Nobody's going to get hurt.

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Speaker 1: So on Wednesday, I will give you my updated version

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Speaker 1: with one more left. And last year, if I recall

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Speaker 1: my updated version and my season opening version, there was

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Speaker 1: only one one change. But one of the changes I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking of making is having Green Bay win the division.

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Speaker 1: And all off season I've said I don't even know

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Speaker 1: what to do with the Packers. Chicago's noisy, JJ McCarthy's noisy,

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Speaker 1: and Detroit looked awful the only time I've watched them

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Speaker 1: looked awful. There is something. There's a lot of different

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Speaker 1: ways to win a division in the NFL. One of

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Speaker 1: them is continuity and quiet, and boy, green Bay has

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Speaker 1: been cool. Why I don't care what they looked like

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Speaker 1: with the Jets, it doesn't mean anything to me. They

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Speaker 1: had double digit wins last year and Jordan Love was

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Speaker 1: hurt early and banged up late.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 2: in neon Eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Saturday, It's Baseball Night

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Speaker 2: in America. As a l MVP front runner Aaron Judge

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Speaker 2: leads the Yankees against the Cardinals, or the Al Central

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Speaker 1: The best roster in the league that doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: knowledge that they have a really high end quarterback arguably

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Speaker 1: is Minnesota. I mean Detroit, great roster, golf can sling it,

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia great roster. We know Jalen can play, Baltimore, great roster,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City a great roster quarterbacks. Minnesota's got a great roster,

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Speaker 1: they don't know if they have the right quarterback. And

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Speaker 1: the one thing I will say, and I watched JJ McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: I've always said this, I don't think Michigan, like Alabama

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Speaker 1: with saving kind of prepared him.

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Speaker 2: For the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Always played with the lead, rarely got hit, great running game,

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Speaker 1: didn't throw a ton, didn't have to get in shootouts,

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Speaker 1: always had the best coach and roster.

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Speaker 2: I thought he was Okay.

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Speaker 1: It does feel like this entire preseason has been about

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Speaker 1: him gaining his confidence, and I think self doubt is

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Speaker 1: something we all have, but for quarterbacks and surgeons when

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Speaker 1: you go into the emergency room, I'm not looking for that.

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Speaker 1: I need almost a delusional level of playing confidence, not arrogance,

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Speaker 1: but real confidence. And you know, I think they're trying

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Speaker 1: to build him up, and I think that's a tough spot.

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Speaker 1: It's a very good roster. Again, it's it may not

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Speaker 1: be Philly or Baltimore, it's close. It's definitely in that

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Speaker 1: Denver area where you're like not a lot of holes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot and maybe missed no number one receiver in Denver.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're missing, you know, and I don't know, do

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Speaker 1: they have a number one corner in Minnesota. Maybe maybe not,

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Speaker 1: but they're not missing much. Here was JJ McCarthy after

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Speaker 1: this weekend's a preseason game.

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Speaker 8: Phil like KO just thought of this as checking another box,

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Speaker 8: like he really wanted to see the operation and just

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Speaker 8: you know, the fundamentals and doing the simple things.

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Speaker 2: At a high level.

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Speaker 8: And I feel like we did that today. It was

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Speaker 8: a huge kind of growing rep that I felt, like,

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Speaker 8: you know, just in Jex's confidence in my veins going

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Speaker 8: to the next one.

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Speaker 1: So there's there's a little bit it feels like a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a baby Steps process. This is not

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Speaker 1: a Baby Steps coach. It's not a baby Steps roster.

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Speaker 1: It's not a baby Steps receiving cart. This is a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl roster. Detroit, Philadelphia are super Bowl rosters. Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, Buffalo, those are super Bowl rosters. I think

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Speaker 1: Minnesota is and so you know, I mean Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 1: We already know they were willing to sign Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: for the right number. So that's that's pretty obvious. They

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Speaker 1: that's not that has been reported. They told Sam right

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Speaker 1: number will resign. You you know, he got fifteen more

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Speaker 1: million a year or ten million more year with Seattle

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Speaker 1: no state tax in Washington. That's a good move. Like

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Speaker 1: I Sam should have taken that and be the guy

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Speaker 1: without somebody breathing down his neck. But it's a this

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Speaker 1: is a super Bowl roster. The edit thing I've heard

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Speaker 1: a lot about in the reporting by people I think

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Speaker 1: are really good in Minnesota is, you know, everything's a fastball.

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Speaker 1: We want to scale that back. It's got kind of

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Speaker 1: a Kaepernick feel where it's like, you know, Kaepernick came

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Speaker 1: in and it was like I mean, it was like

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Speaker 1: Noan Ryan. If the breaking ball was off it was

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a good outing Like we always knew he

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Speaker 1: threw fast. McCarthy's got he's got zip on it. Here's

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Speaker 1: hassel Back on that whole tempo and developing an off

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Speaker 1: speed throw.

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Speaker 4: I think what JJ McCarthy has, he's got the intangibles

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Speaker 4: that you cannot coach. I think you can coach what

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Speaker 4: club in the bag or you use it. I think

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Speaker 4: you can coach that. I'm someone who would buy on

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Speaker 4: the Minnesota Vikings right now. I think this is a

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Speaker 4: good team. I think this quarterback will have a good year.

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Speaker 4: But certainly the analogy that you used with a young

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Speaker 4: Colin Kaepernick, I think that's a great example of a

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Speaker 4: guy that you know has a great arm, a very

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Speaker 4: strong arm, can throw a tight spiral, throw it far.

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Speaker 3: But the club's in the bag is certainly a thing.

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Speaker 1: So it is interesting because he is an often discussed player.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in the Athletic Poll. If you're just tuning in,

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Speaker 1: you have it watched today. The Athletic has a fifty

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Speaker 1: person survey annually from Mike Sando. It's great and by

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Speaker 1: the way these things fluctuate. A few years ago, Deshaan

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Speaker 1: Watson was up there and now you know, like tier

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Speaker 1: TWOI ish, so these things fluctuate and it's mostly very,

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Speaker 1: very predictable. Aaron Rodgers was sixteenth, So Aaron Rodgers was

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Speaker 1: in tier three. I think that's where he is. He

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Speaker 1: is now a pocket quarterback. He's not taking staffs in

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Speaker 1: the preseason. I think he's a beautiful he's a pretty quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but he didn't want to take hits, and I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, Matt Stafford is willing to sit in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: That's also why Matt Stafford may have a bad back

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Speaker 1: right now. But if that's where Aaron Rodgers is, when

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Speaker 1: I hear this Steel City Savior, guys take the name away,

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Speaker 1: sixteenth is in line with.

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Speaker 2: Drake May.

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Speaker 1: You know, like Drake May is not even in arguably

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Speaker 1: his athletic prime. So right now, Aaron in the preseason,

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Speaker 1: he's a headset guy. He's not taking a hit guy.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think that's a knock on him. The

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Speaker 1: NFL executives think he's right in the middle of the pack,

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Speaker 1: and that's what I've said. The one thing about Aaron

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Speaker 1: and I do not blame him at all. Let me

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Speaker 1: he doesn't want to take a hit. So there's going

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Speaker 1: to be stuff like Shador Sanders had a moment a

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Speaker 1: Saturday or Friday when he was going to take a

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Speaker 1: hit and he stood in there and made the throw.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody's going to do that old quarter of ba

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Speaker 1: Ali Manning didn't want to do that at the end.

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Speaker 1: Tom didn't want to do that at the end. So

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Speaker 1: what's interesting about Tier three you're watching or listening to

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Speaker 1: my show. Trevor Lawrence and Aaron Rodgers are both in

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Speaker 1: Tier three. So let me ask you. You're a general manager,

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Speaker 1: you can choose either for the next two years to

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Speaker 1: lead your franchise. Who would you choose? I would choose

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. He's in his athletic prime. He's still going

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Speaker 1: to sit in that pocket and take a hit. He's

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Speaker 1: totally committed in the off season. Not a shot at Aaron,

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Speaker 1: but he's mostly committed. And I think that stuff matters.

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Speaker 1: And I think at this point Trevor is a much

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Speaker 1: better athlete Trevor than Runstill, so even in the Tier

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Speaker 1: three and you kind of say, oh, I would take

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Speaker 1: bow Nicks over Aaron, I think he's much more athletic

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Speaker 1: at this point, and he's also more malleable, more coachable.

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Speaker 1: At this point, He's totally committed in the offseason, spent

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Speaker 1: the off season a lot of it with Drew Brees.

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Speaker 1: So even in this tier three that Aaron zad I

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Speaker 1: would take Trevor to start today, I would take Bonnicks

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Speaker 1: to start. I would take Drake May to start. Bryce

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Speaker 1: young Is I'm just I need more, I need another

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Speaker 1: half season. But I would say even though here he's

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Speaker 1: top of Tier three with with Kyler Murray, if I

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Speaker 1: was going to pin down all those gms and say

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Speaker 1: two years commit to the quarterbacks, I think he'd be

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Speaker 1: at the bottom of tier three. So I think when

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh fans are seeing Aaron as a.

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Speaker 2: Savior, be very careful.

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Speaker 1: Could I say this, Russell Wilson is the top quarterback

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Speaker 1: in Tier four. Is Aaron today closer to Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: than he is Bonnicks? I think he is in terms

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Speaker 1: of doesn't have his fastball athletically, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: he wants to sit and take big shots. So that's

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Speaker 1: an underrated part of being quarterback. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: since twenty twenty two. This is with Matt Lafleur and

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Speaker 1: the Jets, and you know, so this is two different teams.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has a worse completion percentage than Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 1: and fewer touchdown passes than Derek Carr, and a lower

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Speaker 1: passer rating than Russell Wilson. So you may cringe when

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Speaker 1: I say he's closer to Russell than Bo, but that's

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Speaker 1: what the numbers say. And one of those years is

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Speaker 1: with Matt Lafleur in Green Bay's offensive line. So this

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Speaker 1: is not a knock on Aaron. I think the athletic

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Speaker 1: got it right. I think Aaron and Russell are kind

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Speaker 1: of in that sixteen seventeen eighteen spot. So whereas nobody

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Speaker 1: in New York sees Russell as the savior, I think

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Speaker 1: there are people in Pittsburgh that see Aaron is the savior.

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Speaker 1: And it's like no, no, no, that's not Happiness is directly

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Speaker 1: correlate or connected to expectations. If you look at Aaron

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Speaker 1: and think, here's a realistic err in yere, Let's get

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Speaker 1: fifteen starts, twenty four touchdowns, nine picks, and you go

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Speaker 1: nine and eight. They may not do that. That feels

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna mean rushing touchdowns. He's going to complete

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Speaker 1: sixty three sixty four lead the NFL, and throwaways that's eight, nine,

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Speaker 1: nine and eight feels like realistic