Speaker 1: Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
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Speaker 2: Today is Wednesday, January sixteenth, and we are now officially
Speaker 2: ninety nine days from the twenty twenty four NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: Welcome into the Draft Show for the first time in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, presented by Miller Lte. We will be
Speaker 2: here twice a week from here on out. Unfortunately a
Speaker 2: couple weeks early, but we're here.
Speaker 3: Nonetheless, you think you're so funny, don't you think.
Speaker 2: Ninety nine days? I looked that up this morning and
Speaker 2: I had a mini heart attack myself.
Speaker 4: I will mention that it's January seventeenth and not sixteenth,
Speaker 4: but it's fine.
Speaker 2: What it's I say, sixteenth, It's okay. It's Wednesday, January yesterday.
Speaker 2: Welcome in the Draft Show. Nick's already cut off. We've
Speaker 2: got Zach Wolchuk, Nick Harris, the Great, Brian brought us
Speaker 2: Ayisha Morrison, I'm Kyle Yeomen's Chris Beame in the back.
Speaker 2: We will have Bobby Belt in the rotation as well
Speaker 2: throughout the Draft Show here this season and his draft.
Speaker 5: Season, so we will have all those guys.
Speaker 2: But Brian, it's always, uh, it's always bittersweet to be
Speaker 2: back in here because one we're getting the talk draft season,
Speaker 2: but two, it means the Cowboys season has come to
Speaker 2: a close.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's usually the way things work. And you know,
Speaker 6: you felt like that maybe that you'd have a couple
Speaker 6: more opportunities to to kind of see this football team play,
Speaker 6: but it really is you know, all year long. They
Speaker 6: have your season, but the scouts are working on the draft,
Speaker 6: you know, and we just pick it up. We we
Speaker 6: cover the season and then we try and catch up
Speaker 6: with the scouts and what's going on.
Speaker 7: But you know, this is the way, you know, this
Speaker 7: is the way you make your team better. You go
Speaker 7: out and you evaluate. We always talk about in the show.
Speaker 6: We educate and investigate are the two things that we
Speaker 6: do here and so, you know, looking forward to doing
Speaker 6: that with all you It's always a fun time of
Speaker 6: the year for me because I lived this, this has
Speaker 6: been my life and I'm so happy that I have
Speaker 6: teammates here that have a passion for it as well.
Speaker 6: And that's I think what makes this show so great
Speaker 6: is the camaraderie, but the discussion about these players and
Speaker 6: how to make not only the Dallas Cowboys better, but
Speaker 6: we have fans from all over the country that watched
Speaker 6: this show and learn about players, so we welcome you
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 5: Can't wade and it's always a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: The more you dive into the draft process, and I
Speaker 2: usual got her first taste of it last year, Zach
Speaker 2: got his first official taste of it.
Speaker 5: Nick, you're the rookie of the show this time around.
Speaker 2: So the deeper you get into it, the more fans
Speaker 2: enjoy the learning, and the more learning that's had on
Speaker 2: our side as well. Investigate and educate all day every day.
Speaker 2: And Nick, you've you've been around a lot of these
Speaker 2: prospects from the recruit root trail. Excited to see how
Speaker 2: you kind of bring that extra taste into it on
Speaker 2: the draft side too.
Speaker 4: Honestly, me too, just kind of give everybody some perspective
Speaker 4: on where I come from. I started working for the
Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys. This was the first day, was the first
Speaker 4: day of the draft for me last year. So while
Speaker 4: I was getting everything since you wait to give him
Speaker 4: my hr paperwork in, I was watching you guys trying
Speaker 4: to handle who's going to get trapped in the first round.
Speaker 4: But yeah, this is my first time going through the
Speaker 4: draft process with you guys. Where I came from, I
Speaker 4: was covering college football recruiting for four to five years
Speaker 4: with twenty four seven Sports and Rivals. My last two
Speaker 4: years was with Rivals as a national analyst. So whenever
Speaker 4: you see those high school kids get the stars, put
Speaker 4: on them three, four or five star. I was one
Speaker 4: of the seven guys that was doing that nationwide. So
Speaker 4: whenever one of these two stars gets drafted in the
Speaker 4: first round, I'm the one you can come to and
Speaker 4: be like, you're stupid so looking forward to it?
Speaker 5: Oh, I can't wait for that. That's gonna be fun.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, well I was going to be a three star
Speaker 2: in the first round and we're real look at Nave
Speaker 2: and be like, what were you doing?
Speaker 4: I will say twenty twenty six draft is when my
Speaker 4: evails will start coming around. So I'll save the BEA
Speaker 4: for that. We'll save the be for that.
Speaker 7: That's awesome. I issue year number two.
Speaker 5: How is it different for you this time around?
Speaker 9: Well, if I'm being human and being very honest, I'm
Speaker 9: not nearly as nervous as I was. It's it's this
Speaker 9: is not an easy feat coming up here, and Brian
Speaker 9: used to tell me, like, you can't fake it doing this,
Speaker 9: and so the you know the work that you have
Speaker 9: to put in to be precise with it, and people
Speaker 9: will hold your feet to the fire.
Speaker 3: You know, and you guys will too.
Speaker 9: So I think coming into this season, I'm far more
Speaker 9: just comfortable being with you guys, because I know you
Speaker 9: at this point, and as far as the process goes,
Speaker 9: I'm just learning to I can trust myself more, you know,
Speaker 9: because I have done it, and so now I'm like,
Speaker 9: I trust my eyes and we can go for it.
Speaker 3: So I'm excited. That's actually I.
Speaker 2: Think it's be pumped up the fact that you're going
Speaker 2: into your number two and you already feel that comfortable
Speaker 2: like and you're back into your rhythm that you already
Speaker 2: had last year, and I think everybody can speak to
Speaker 2: you did a phenomenal job and your number one, your
Speaker 2: number two is going to be even better.
Speaker 5: I can't wait.
Speaker 7: I will say this, The anxiety never goes away, That's true,
Speaker 7: it never really does.
Speaker 6: But I mean because like you say, you're you feel responsible,
Speaker 6: you really do, and especially when you're sitting in that
Speaker 6: chair across the hall up there when you're drafting players,
Speaker 6: you feel responsible for what's going out there, and so yeah,
Speaker 6: that's that's the great thing about it. And you you
Speaker 6: your your missus uh resonate with you more than your makes.
Speaker 6: And it's nice when people remind you about the makes though,
Speaker 6: because that's that makes you feel a little bit better
Speaker 6: about the job you're doing.
Speaker 2: It happens every once in a while you'll get one
Speaker 2: where it's like, hey, you have this guy right, appreciate
Speaker 2: all the insight.
Speaker 5: But more often than.
Speaker 2: Not, it's why did you guys have this guy so
Speaker 2: high or why did you have it so low?
Speaker 5: And it always turns into that Zak you had that
Speaker 5: a couple times last year.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, Yoshivash ended up making me look pretty good.
Speaker 10: Princeton kid from Bengals.
Speaker 7: I got a cup.
Speaker 10: But then yeah, there were some you know, Emmanuel Forbes.
Speaker 10: I think we were all high on and I definitely
Speaker 10: got the gotch. You guys loved Emmanuel Forbes. Look at
Speaker 10: me getting benched over there in Washington, what do you know?
Speaker 10: But hey, it's part of the process, and I don't
Speaker 10: think that you can go ahead and just write a
Speaker 10: kid off after a rookie season. Though, I know we'll
Speaker 10: talk about that with some of the Cowboys from this
Speaker 10: past draft as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to dive into. I do want
Speaker 2: to get into the recent reaction though, with the way
Speaker 2: that the season ended.
Speaker 5: You give up.
Speaker 2: Forty to forty eight points, almost had forty two. I'm
Speaker 2: giving six points to this Dallas defense, forty eight points
Speaker 2: in the wildcard round to Green Bay. You fall forty
Speaker 2: eight to thirty two. You get bounced in a round
Speaker 2: that you anticipated to win. And things really do change
Speaker 2: on a dime. I mean, one week we're talking about
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy and extensions and everything that can happen there.
Speaker 5: Dan Quinn's a shoeing.
Speaker 2: For head coaching jobs around the league, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden you put a halt on him, really
Speaker 2: every conversation, and you don't know what the future of
Speaker 2: this franchise really looks like, Brian when it comes to
Speaker 2: the draft and really the team's perspective, how much can
Speaker 2: things change just over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 7: It can change quite a bit, you know.
Speaker 6: And now everybody goes they'll have their meetings, they've dismissed
Speaker 6: the team, you know, the coaching staff, you'll get everything
Speaker 6: kind of squared up with see what happens with DQ
Speaker 6: in his interviews. You know, you have to maybe prepare
Speaker 6: for him being gone. Do you have to get a
Speaker 6: different defensive coordinator? Does that change the philosophy? Is there
Speaker 6: a coordinator coming from the outside. If that's the case,
Speaker 6: is he a four three three four? You know, does
Speaker 6: he mesh with what we're trying to do. Dan was
Speaker 6: really involved with personnel, and so if Dan were to
Speaker 6: move on, now you're trying to think, okay, well all
Speaker 6: those players that we really watched all year that Dan
Speaker 6: really liked. Now where someone else might come in here
Speaker 6: and say, well, this is a type of player I want,
Speaker 6: you know, And that's the tough thing on scouts.
Speaker 7: They have to go back now and.
Speaker 6: Bring back potential players that they might not have liked
Speaker 6: or graded well enough.
Speaker 7: For the team. But you have a new defensive coordinator.
Speaker 6: So any type of tweak with the coaching staff could
Speaker 6: be a little bit of a stress on your scouting staff.
Speaker 2: How much does that put a pressure on adential hire
Speaker 2: coming in because there's already an infrastructure laid from the
Speaker 2: draft picks you've made from the roster that's been put
Speaker 2: on the field recently. But Nick, whenever you look at
Speaker 2: maybe even potential candidates, whether it's at head coach or
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, how much does that put a pressure on
Speaker 2: them to come in and immediately either change or keep
Speaker 2: things the same.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's going to have to be a
Speaker 4: pressure to change, right because if they're brought in, they're
Speaker 4: brought in to change. That's what kind of the whole
Speaker 4: conversations are this week about. You know, how much change
Speaker 4: do you want to instill on the cornerstones of this roster,
Speaker 4: the cornerstones of this team. And I think if someone's
Speaker 4: brought in to do that, then they're going to have
Speaker 4: to do that, especially considering when you look at it
Speaker 4: from a draft perspective, what the twenty twenty three draft
Speaker 4: class put on the table this last season. Being able
Speaker 4: to have a successful twenty four class, I think there's
Speaker 4: even more pressure on that. Whether that be for a
Speaker 4: first guy or the guys that are already here, I
Speaker 4: think that would be the equal pressure in that sense.
Speaker 2: Man, it really does change things pretty quickly. But how
Speaker 2: did it change your perspective on the way that this
Speaker 2: roster's been the way that they were bounced out of
Speaker 2: that wild card round and really dismantled by Green Bay.
Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, I think that, and really I don't
Speaker 9: want to upset anybody, but listen, this league is ever changing, evolving.
Speaker 9: I feel like I personally felt like the big nickel
Speaker 9: in the way that it's been used and just kind
Speaker 9: of with some of the things they do on the
Speaker 9: defensive side of the ball has been really good for
Speaker 9: this system. But I do think, just like every other
Speaker 9: thing in football, at some point in time, people figure
Speaker 9: some stuff out, they figure how to counter it, and
Speaker 9: I think this is year three, four, whichever year it is.
Speaker 9: I think some defenses, I mean, because it would be
Speaker 9: different if it was just like one or two times,
Speaker 9: but every time that you got beat, it was people
Speaker 9: attacking that part of your defense. And so to me,
Speaker 9: I do think there's some changes that have to be
Speaker 9: made or some it's okay to take a step back
Speaker 9: and also to reevaluate to see if you need to
Speaker 9: change some things or how you can adjust.
Speaker 3: So for me, it's like if there's a new coordinator
Speaker 3: coming in.
Speaker 9: I thought Brian made a really good point about even
Speaker 9: looking at some of the players. Now, I'm like, I
Speaker 9: don't know the foundation of what this defense might look
Speaker 9: like next year, as opposed to we went into last
Speaker 9: year looking at for as like this is a ballhawk guy, Yeah,
Speaker 9: press all that lengthy corner. That's the prototype for what
Speaker 9: you know, this defensive staff likes or that side of
Speaker 9: the ball. But now you're like, well, man like, if
Speaker 9: there's a philosophy change, what is the foundation? And so
Speaker 9: I do think it also puts some not pressure on us,
Speaker 9: but it does change how we even attack this show,
Speaker 9: I think at this point. So now for me, I'm
Speaker 9: just like, if there's changes that need to be necessary,
Speaker 9: I need them to go ahead, and you know, decide.
Speaker 5: To do that.
Speaker 9: But I'm I'm just being honest, man like, because the
Speaker 9: way that you lost in these games was because of
Speaker 9: not that side of the ball.
Speaker 3: To me get out of it, I.
Speaker 4: Think there's a really good point to make on the
Speaker 4: defensive side that you made because you already made the
Speaker 4: changes on the offensive side. You figured those out last offseason,
Speaker 4: and feel like the offense had a pretty strong year
Speaker 4: from from by any measures, especially if you look at
Speaker 4: Week six going into the bye week and what they
Speaker 4: did coming out. I think there was a lot of
Speaker 4: positive you could take away from that. But you look
Speaker 4: at the defensive side and how like you said, wherever
Speaker 4: they lose, it was the same exact areas of the
Speaker 4: defense that we're getting attacked. You can't go into ox
Speaker 4: Star next year with the same exact thing that you
Speaker 4: finished with on Sunday afternoons. You're going to have to
Speaker 4: make some sort of major change. And I think that
Speaker 4: starts with the defensive side of the ball, because they
Speaker 4: haven't done that yet. They already did the offensive side.
Speaker 4: All right, let's do a defensive overhaul. Let's see what
Speaker 4: that looks like.
Speaker 6: And as she gets a philosophy question coming out of
Speaker 6: ox Star, did we all think that they went short
Speaker 6: at linebacker?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, everyone was concerned about seed line.
Speaker 7: To me, that's where I felt like the House of
Speaker 7: Cards was right. Yeah. And and I think Gan was trying.
Speaker 6: His best to put what I would say a band
Speaker 6: aid on an amputation.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, and you know and Bell, and you talked
Speaker 6: about Bell and and and what he could do and
Speaker 6: all that you brought up. I think he gave a
Speaker 6: great thumbnail about the player and all. But see This
Speaker 6: is where I you know, you wonder about philosophy. They
Speaker 6: made a determination to go short at linebacker, and they
Speaker 6: trusted that Van dersh would stay healthy.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: The Overshown injury was just a thing. Was tragic from
Speaker 6: what we saw during training camp.
Speaker 7: There were some.
Speaker 6: Things philosophy wise that they chose to do that the
Speaker 6: end of the year really just showed its ugly head.
Speaker 6: And you know, and I think that's what they have
Speaker 6: to go back and study. Like when we were coming
Speaker 6: out of camp, what did we think? Why did we
Speaker 6: think this? Yeah, and I think that put a lot
Speaker 6: of stress on the defense for some of the things
Speaker 6: that some of the decisions that they made.
Speaker 10: I think we were pretty excited about overshowing. Right, So
Speaker 10: that's that the right point. Like for dan Quinn, you
Speaker 10: look at the undersized nature of this defense and you're
Speaker 10: absolutely right, Ayisha teams were exploiting that. But you were
Speaker 10: hoping to have LV right, you were hoping to have Overshown.
Speaker 10: But I think that this this team is very well
Speaker 10: built to win the NFC East. I think now you
Speaker 10: need to look at Okay, how can you match up
Speaker 10: with the San Francisco, How can you match up in
Speaker 10: the postseason when you get there, because I think we
Speaker 10: believe this team's good, this team's gonna win double digit
Speaker 10: games every single year. But once we get into the playoffs,
Speaker 10: there seems to be a little bit of a disconnect there.
Speaker 10: You need to get bigger, you need to get bigger,
Speaker 10: and you need to get stronger for me, and that's
Speaker 10: kind of a difference that I'm looking at instead of
Speaker 10: just simply speed.
Speaker 6: Well, we all evaluated Mossi Smith, right, yeah, and Massie
Speaker 6: Smith was supposed to be the three hundred and thirty
Speaker 6: pound defensive tackle. And next thing I know, I'm watching
Speaker 6: tape and I call Aisha, I go, Massi Smith looks small.
Speaker 7: To you, you know, and we all were kind of yeah.
Speaker 5: He looks small and playing at like three oh seven.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: See, that's what I'm saying. All of a sudden, there's
Speaker 6: some philosophy things on defense, and yeah, they absolutely do
Speaker 6: need to get bigger, tougher, I think is something. But
Speaker 6: we talked about toughness two years ago against San Francisco. Right,
Speaker 6: you know, some things have to change, you know what
Speaker 6: exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I said on our show yesterday, I said one
Speaker 9: of the one of the changes I'm looking to see. Hey, man, listen,
Speaker 9: if you keep the head coach in the OC, fine,
Speaker 9: for the love of God, bring an advisor of somebody
Speaker 9: in here that understands the Shanahan tree, because defensively and
Speaker 9: off offensively, they give you trouble and it's not getting
Speaker 9: any better.
Speaker 3: The Rams have turned it around and figured their life out.
Speaker 9: Green Bay looks like an up and coming team. You
Speaker 9: got to see these people you're gonna have to see
Speaker 9: and the forty nine ers could possibly be just as
Speaker 9: good next year. You're gonna have to keep seeing these
Speaker 9: these guys. And then also to on the AFC side,
Speaker 9: to your point, you played a lot of unfamiliar opponents
Speaker 9: this year and it showed, And so I thought that
Speaker 9: was I thought that was a good point that you
Speaker 9: guys made in regard to like, Okay, well, this team
Speaker 9: is beat to you that it's built to build the
Speaker 9: NF to beat the NFC NFC East Oh yeah cool, Yeah,
Speaker 9: but you need to look at how do you match
Speaker 9: up against everyone else as well? Can this travel Can
Speaker 9: this philosophy be extended across the NFL, because maybe if
Speaker 9: you once you get in the playoffs, or if you're
Speaker 9: trying to get to the ball, you gonna see the
Speaker 9: AFC team.
Speaker 3: There's no avoiding them at this point.
Speaker 9: So it's like, to your point, broadening the matchups and
Speaker 9: the personnel I think is going to be important. But
Speaker 9: also find an identity, identity and philosophy on both sides
Speaker 9: of both sides of the ball that's conducive to be
Speaker 9: successful in the league is going to be important moving forward.
Speaker 7: Agreed.
Speaker 10: And they got to figure out an offense. How do
Speaker 10: you run the football? And it's a little bizarre. You
Speaker 10: look up and you've got two first team All pros
Speaker 10: at guard? Have you got a second team All Pro
Speaker 10: at tackle?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: You could not run the ball all year.
Speaker 3: Do you think they look at that?
Speaker 9: Do you think they look at the coordinator position, even
Speaker 9: though a lot of the players love Salari?
Speaker 3: Is that something that maybe you look at the inability.
Speaker 2: To run you have to But if anything, I think
Speaker 2: it's a philosophy from your head coach, if your play caller,
Speaker 2: not just the head coach specifically, but you.
Speaker 7: Sold as the idea that we're going to run the
Speaker 7: ball right.
Speaker 2: All training camp long, run the ball, run the ball,
Speaker 2: run the ball, and then you can't run the ball.
Speaker 2: That's troubling to me. If you're saying there's an emphasis
Speaker 2: on running the football and you've got three All pros
Speaker 2: up front to first team one second team, you should
Speaker 2: be the best running team in the country and or
Speaker 2: at least top five, and you barely crack the top
Speaker 2: fifteen and you're just man in terms of running the football.
Speaker 2: Bringing up a lot of these points, linebacker, defensive tackle,
Speaker 2: offensive line, different elements of this team.
Speaker 7: Is there one specific position of need?
Speaker 2: I asked the question yesterday on Twitter, and it was
Speaker 2: resounding linebacker as the number one. But I think we
Speaker 2: could all kind of look around the table and say
Speaker 2: linebackers maybe not what twenty four overall is gonna institute.
Speaker 2: That's not a spot for twenty four overall unless it's
Speaker 2: the perfect player and it's somebody that you feel like
Speaker 2: is going to be a starter for twelve years in
Speaker 2: the league, and YadA, YadA, YadA, But where is the
Speaker 2: position of need.
Speaker 5: Right now for the Skallas Cowboys team?
Speaker 4: For me, I'm looking offensive line. I want a guy
Speaker 4: that has versatility up front. I want a guy who
Speaker 4: could play multiple positions. I want a guy that can
Speaker 4: come into the building and be able to Okay, we
Speaker 4: could fit you in there. If you work there, If
Speaker 4: Tulers moves to tackle, maybe we can keep Tyler Smith
Speaker 4: and Gard and move you to tackle. You look, get
Speaker 4: a guy like Graham Barton out of Duke.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's a guy.
Speaker 7: In the first player let's go.
Speaker 11: Four.
Speaker 4: He's a guy that could play all five. I'm almost
Speaker 4: confident he could play all five up front. And you
Speaker 4: look in the second round, a guy like Jackson Powers Johnson.
Speaker 4: He's a guy that's played four of the five up
Speaker 4: front for Oregon in the last two seasons. So you know,
Speaker 4: I want to bring in a guy that has a
Speaker 4: ton of versatility, and they've shown to do that. Austin
Speaker 4: Richards they were hoping to have that little versatility with him.
Speaker 4: Most of the guys that they drafted in the twenty
Speaker 4: three draft class played multiple positions in college and they
Speaker 4: wanted to fit them around figure out what to do
Speaker 4: with him. I think they continue that philosophy, but they
Speaker 4: try to find a little bit better talent in that area.
Speaker 10: The deepest position groups are offensive tackle and wide receiver.
Speaker 10: In the first round this year, I think, without question,
Speaker 10: now linebacker, a lot of people you're right, they're gonna
Speaker 10: want want a back er. I think maybe Edrin Cooper
Speaker 10: from Texas A and M could be your top guy.
Speaker 10: I love Cedrick Gray from North Carolina. I watched him
Speaker 10: last night. That dude flies around, makes a lot of plays.
Speaker 10: But I think day two, maybe early day three, that's
Speaker 10: when you can attack linebacker. Just from what I've seen
Speaker 10: so far, but the meet in the first round offensive line,
Speaker 10: there's a couple of tackles that are super athletic. But
Speaker 10: I do think you need to probably improve at center.
Speaker 10: I think when this team had issues, and you know,
Speaker 10: it's nothing against Tyler to be oddish, but it was,
Speaker 10: it was in the middle right and I think that
Speaker 10: a lot of your run issues were because of that.
Speaker 10: And I think when Dak had issues, it was because
Speaker 10: immediately and every quarterback's going to have this, it's pressure
Speaker 10: in your face. You've got to have a guy, and
Speaker 10: I think ram Barton's perfect for this. I think he
Speaker 10: kicks inside at the next level. I think he's a
Speaker 10: guarder center. I don't think he's big enough to play tackle.
Speaker 10: I think the same thing about font Neu from Washington.
Speaker 10: I think he's six ' two was an outstanding tackle
Speaker 10: at college. But to me, he's got that squatty guard body.
Speaker 10: Those are two kind of guys to me, I'm looking
Speaker 10: at if they fall. The twenty four Graham Barton, I
Speaker 10: think is the Nasties offensive lineman that I looked at.
Speaker 10: He's a finisher. He wants to put your ass on
Speaker 10: the ground, right, and I think you need a little
Speaker 10: bit of that physicality and toughness.
Speaker 3: What let Briano.
Speaker 2: No, he just said drop that ass on the ground,
Speaker 2: to put your ass on the ground, but he drops
Speaker 2: that ass.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to look at Aisa and if we could,
Speaker 5: wanted to throw back.
Speaker 7: One of the best scouting terms I've ever heard.
Speaker 4: Of, that telling me the guy from Doukie drops.
Speaker 2: His A's not a family friendly show anymore.
Speaker 7: We're taking exactly not.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 9: I don't want to be the cliche and mentioned linebacker,
Speaker 9: which you already took into You've already taken offensive line man.
Speaker 7: Listen to take a linebacker. I'll dance with you here.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean you talk about you know, late later
Speaker 9: down in the in the rounds, you know, maybe not
Speaker 9: taking one day one, maybe not even day two, depending
Speaker 9: on I like Maurice Lefu from Notre Dame outside linebacker.
Speaker 3: I took a lot.
Speaker 9: I took a look at him. I like his lateral quickness.
Speaker 9: He has the ability to rush the passer. But his y'all,
Speaker 9: he plays that line of aggressiveness like very very well.
Speaker 3: He stays.
Speaker 9: He's even tempered, but he can be a little hot headed,
Speaker 9: and he's his motor is crazy. He's listen. Yeah, he's
Speaker 9: someone he has the hair and everything.
Speaker 3: But he was a buckets.
Speaker 9: Ward finance as well, so he's he's People know that
Speaker 9: this guy can play.
Speaker 3: They didn't. They didn't. They were top ten in defense
Speaker 3: and this crazy guy was a part of it because
Speaker 3: he plays with his hair on fire.
Speaker 9: But I just like how he comes downhill and tackles.
Speaker 9: He's physical, and he also has coverage instincts. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 9: I mean, honestly, when you look at this linebacker class,
Speaker 9: a lot of them can't come and it's it's kind
Speaker 9: of cool because we talked about it last year, just
Speaker 9: kind of the evolution of the position.
Speaker 3: But he's a good.
Speaker 9: Balance of I can cover, but I can come downhill
Speaker 9: and I'm gonna make you pay. And I do think
Speaker 9: that that's something you want to look for. But I
Speaker 9: look at the lateral quickness too. When you're talking about
Speaker 9: how you beat some of these guys that do a
Speaker 9: lot of motion and all that stuff or attack your linebackers.
Speaker 3: He has some of that in them.
Speaker 9: So I was looking at him last night and I
Speaker 9: was very impressed by what I saw.
Speaker 3: So maybe if you want to.
Speaker 9: Get a guy, maybe like the third round or fourth round,
Speaker 9: if that's what you decide to do.
Speaker 3: This guy can ball.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And one thing to add about Mary's lula foul. He
Speaker 4: comes trump on file. I believe luifoul pronunciation. We're getting
Speaker 4: on that. But he comes from Punaho, Hawaii, which is
Speaker 4: a north Honolulu, and those guys are known for being
Speaker 4: run stoppers. I mean Notre Dame loves to go get
Speaker 4: those Samoan guys to fill into that second level. There's
Speaker 4: another one we'll talk about next year in Nuafe tou Halamaca,
Speaker 4: but talking about Luifal.
Speaker 5: For this year.
Speaker 4: He started he started as a bit nick. He started
Speaker 4: as to be in high school and being able to
Speaker 4: add that weight, get up to two forty and add
Speaker 4: that run stopping ability that he trains with down in
Speaker 4: Honolulu because they can't throw the ball down there. I
Speaker 4: mean I'm sorry too. What was the only one that
Speaker 4: really to really come out of there that could So
Speaker 4: having to go through those four years run stopping and
Speaker 4: being able to fill that and then also having that
Speaker 4: dB background, it really helped him once he got to
Speaker 4: Notre Dame. He's a guy I really like as well
Speaker 4: that has a little bit of versatility.
Speaker 3: Lo raw, he's still to me.
Speaker 9: To me, I think he still has some stuff that
Speaker 9: he has to work on. But I like that because
Speaker 9: I think he has all the tools and you can
Speaker 9: just put him out there and.
Speaker 2: Let him go.
Speaker 5: That sounds sad, Yeah, sounds right.
Speaker 3: You got some hit stake to him.
Speaker 10: So the one position group that I think is drastically
Speaker 10: different from last year that is pretty thin is running back,
Speaker 10: and that's another.
Speaker 7: Spot hey looking at that.
Speaker 10: Was a group that last year we were talking about
Speaker 10: ten deep at running back.
Speaker 7: We're like, man, you can get a guy on day two.
Speaker 7: You're feeling really good about it.
Speaker 10: This year, the best guy that I've watched so far
Speaker 10: Trey Benson from Florida State.
Speaker 7: I think he can do everything you want.
Speaker 10: But I mean a Jonathan Brooks out of Texas I
Speaker 10: think is a really good player, but he's coming off
Speaker 10: of the injury, right, A lot of these guys decided
Speaker 10: to go back. I was high on Donovan Edwards from Michigan.
Speaker 10: He's going back to school, Trayvon Henderson from Ohio State
Speaker 10: going back to school. You know, Blake Quorum now has
Speaker 10: put himself in the conversation of being and he's five
Speaker 10: to eight. Do you want to go with another smaller
Speaker 10: back there? So I mean running back and linebacker the
Speaker 10: two spots that I think are big needs for this team.
Speaker 10: But I don't think that there's really going to be
Speaker 10: a guy when you look at draft value that you
Speaker 10: can take super high.
Speaker 2: And even like Jonathan Brooks at the top of that,
Speaker 2: I mean, he's up there on the list, but he's
Speaker 2: coming off of an injury as well. So it feels
Speaker 2: like this entire running back class has questions. And this
Speaker 2: is a team that was in the market for a running.
Speaker 5: Back last year. They took Duzwan in the sixth round.
Speaker 2: But even before that, we were sitting in this podcast
Speaker 2: studio and looking at guys like just Zach sharbonnet Chan,
Speaker 2: Tank Bigsby. It felt like every round they were looking
Speaker 2: at a guy and then he would he would get
Speaker 2: slipped out.
Speaker 5: From underneath them. Yeah, they didn't end up getting anybody.
Speaker 6: There's value, there's value in the and that that you guys,
Speaker 6: you're right though. That position was so deep, it was
Speaker 6: a fun group to study. I'm gonna throw a guy
Speaker 6: out at you real quick here if I could, I
Speaker 6: know were up against on a break here.
Speaker 5: We can we can get one guy in.
Speaker 7: How about this?
Speaker 6: I drafted this guy's dad at Philadelphia and Jeremiah Trotter Junior.
Speaker 7: If you're talking about linebackers, he liked this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this guy's my Nick Bolton from Mckansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 9: We loved Nick Bolton in twenty How.
Speaker 5: I feel today Frisco lone star.
Speaker 7: I'm and it's only gonna get better.
Speaker 6: Kid. But yeah, this kid, like you said, draft his
Speaker 6: dad in ninety eight and while I was with the Eagles,
Speaker 6: and he plays with fire and past and he's super
Speaker 6: competitive the way he moves now. People say, watch the
Speaker 6: Duke game. He had some problems in that game. He
Speaker 6: absolutely wasn't one of his best games. Watch Notre Dame,
Speaker 6: watch North Carolina, watch some of these other games. You'll
Speaker 6: kind of figure some things out. But this guy plays
Speaker 6: down hill, he plays fast, He knows how to cover.
Speaker 6: He's got the lateral Jeerley, the quickness, the sideline, the sideline.
Speaker 6: I saw him at the time, the ball carriers.
Speaker 7: At the sticks.
Speaker 6: He's hitting the guy and is stopping right there. This
Speaker 6: guy's a powerful player. His dad was a powerful player.
Speaker 6: He's got instinct too. This guy's a wrap up tackler.
Speaker 6: He can finish and all that. He's six foot though.
Speaker 6: I don't know where teams are going to look at him,
Speaker 6: but when you watch him play again, it reminded me
Speaker 6: of Nick Bolton when he was at Missouri.
Speaker 7: That he was shorter, but he was making every single play.
Speaker 6: And so Jeremiah Trotter junior my guy h And I'll
Speaker 6: say it right now because I think he's a hell
Speaker 6: of a football player.
Speaker 5: So you drafted his dad?
Speaker 7: Yeah, who was?
Speaker 2: I know the draft great are not complete as a whole,
Speaker 2: but he's a better prospect, more well well rounded.
Speaker 6: Took his dad in the third round. His son's better,
Speaker 6: His sons would probably go a lot higher. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 6: did I see him right?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I watched him.
Speaker 9: I watched him last night and uh, I literally wrote down.
Speaker 9: I said, if you're gonna chip him, you better bury
Speaker 9: him because he's not. He's hair on fire. Steal that, yeah,
Speaker 9: you can definitely steal like you you better bury him.
Speaker 3: And I was looking at to your point.
Speaker 9: I said, his turbos are crazy turbos being the closing
Speaker 9: speed he has.
Speaker 3: You know how you watch Michael and you see him
Speaker 3: close on.
Speaker 5: People downhill acceleration.
Speaker 9: And it's it's crazy. He just jumps on people so quickly.
Speaker 9: I did write down some people may worry about his side.
Speaker 7: They're worry about have we.
Speaker 3: Not learned our lesson from Ivan Pace?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just respectfully, have we not learned our lesson?
Speaker 11: There?
Speaker 5: We're talking about successes as a show. That was one. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I was went on the whole one. I was the
Speaker 5: he was talking about it. He was texting me last
Speaker 5: last year.
Speaker 7: How thattairs?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 9: And also to with Trotter, what stood out to me
Speaker 9: was are the ball skills when the ball's in the air.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's snatching that thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's good at under. I mean he plays with
Speaker 7: his eyes.
Speaker 3: Really he snatch that.
Speaker 5: His dad had nine interceptions in his career.
Speaker 7: His dad was a badass.
Speaker 5: He really was four time pro bowler. So has a
Speaker 5: better prospect.
Speaker 7: I'll take that.
Speaker 5: I'll take a four time pro bowler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he finished this.
Speaker 9: He finished his career at thirteen sacks, thirteen PBUs as
Speaker 9: a yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: Boss moving around.
Speaker 4: Wait till we start talking about Frank gor versus Frank
Speaker 4: cor Junior.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, little Southern miss action.
Speaker 12: All right.
Speaker 2: When we come back here on the Draft Show, we'll
Speaker 2: continue on with some tell me we've got some pet
Speaker 2: cat abilities early on, some some guys that we just
Speaker 2: feel like we're gravitating toward. We're gonna talk about it
Speaker 2: when we come back with more of the Draft Show
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Speaker 5: Back here on the Draft Show.
Speaker 2: We are ninety nine days away from the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four NFL Draft. Alongside Nick Harris, Brian brought us Aisha Morrison,
Speaker 2: Zach Wildchuck. I'm Kyle Yeoman's man. It is crazy. Ninety
Speaker 2: nine days. It feels like we have zero time, and
Speaker 2: it's even closer to the Senior Bowls coming up in
Speaker 2: it to get your credentials already.
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Speaker 4: I'm ready to fly out here in about twelve days.
Speaker 4: So that'll be fun.
Speaker 5: That'll be fun. Nick Harris will be on the way
Speaker 5: to the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 2: I'll be at the Shrine game down the down the
Speaker 2: hallway here at the Star first year that.
Speaker 5: The Shryne Game is gonna be in town, so yeah,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be really cool.
Speaker 7: But Dave Burgler's gonna be in town.
Speaker 5: He told me so, he's coming to the Shrine Games.
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Speaker 5: We'll make sure he's in here.
Speaker 2: I mean, as much as these All Star Games are
Speaker 2: gonna show, they're gonna start popping up pet cats left in.
Speaker 2: They're gonna start popping up these players of interest, guys
Speaker 2: that you just love and practice. He love their tenacity,
Speaker 2: you love their their fight. And then it's also going
Speaker 2: to take a knock on some guys at the same time.
Speaker 2: So before we even get into All Star Games, I
Speaker 2: want to know some of the guys that you guys
Speaker 2: are looking at. And we'll start with Zach Waltschuk who's
Speaker 2: your early pet cat any position. It could be a
Speaker 2: position a need, could be just an overall BPA.
Speaker 5: What you got So?
Speaker 10: I mentioned Cedar Gray, linebacker from North Carolina earlier. But
Speaker 10: probably my favorite player I've watched so far as Javon Boller,
Speaker 10: the defensive bag from Georgia.
Speaker 7: Like this dude's just a dog. You saw action as
Speaker 7: a freshman.
Speaker 10: He was named defensive MVP of the national title game
Speaker 10: against TCU and the semi final against Ohio State. So
Speaker 10: big game player. He will thump you, super physical downhill player.
Speaker 10: And you know he's not a guy that's gonna throw
Speaker 10: his body in there. We've seen that a lot. He
Speaker 10: will wrap up and he will run absolutely through you.
Speaker 10: He's got a reckless abandon about him. He's really good
Speaker 10: against the run, can come down cover the slot as well.
Speaker 10: That's what's interesting about this guy is a safety. I
Speaker 10: think he can match up and lineup inside against the
Speaker 10: slot as well. Love his aggression and play temperament. He's
Speaker 10: a competitor, gets everyone lined up, like you can see
Speaker 10: the football intelligence and the leadership back there. Everybody on
Speaker 10: that Georgia secondary. And if you're taking a Georgia player,
Speaker 10: that plays in the secondary, you're probably getting a dog.
Speaker 10: To me, he's the best one that is back there.
Speaker 10: Everyone's looking to him. Am I in the right place?
Speaker 10: I lined up short area quickness, He's got recovery speed,
Speaker 10: high motor. Guy, can chase down plays from the back side.
Speaker 10: I'm a big Jevon Bullard fan. I think he might
Speaker 10: be the best dB that I've watched period.
Speaker 5: Period, like this year and.
Speaker 7: Just this year.
Speaker 5: Oh, just this year. I was about to say, I
Speaker 5: was like, oh my good.
Speaker 10: But I've watched a lot of the top corners in
Speaker 10: this draft so far, and there's some good ones like
Speaker 10: Arnold from Alabama. I think he's the best corner in
Speaker 10: the draft. But Bullard just as a pure defensive back prospect.
Speaker 10: To me, he's my most fun tape study so far.
Speaker 2: It may not bother many because he does play safety
Speaker 2: and he has some safety nickel flex. But he's five
Speaker 2: foot eleven and he's listed at a buck nine five,
Speaker 2: so it may even be smaller whenever.
Speaker 5: The combine comes around. Does that bother you at all?
Speaker 10: He just plays bigger and like for his frame. To me,
Speaker 10: he doesn't look skinny like it's not when you're looking
Speaker 10: and last year we saw Emmanuel Forbes and you're like, dang.
Speaker 7: That guy is wiry.
Speaker 10: To me, he's filled out pretty well, and he could
Speaker 10: probably put on some weight. I'm sure that teams might
Speaker 10: want him to do so, but the way that he
Speaker 10: moves and the way he's just so physical and tough
Speaker 10: to me, the size is not an issue for him
Speaker 10: at all.
Speaker 6: Love that there's another one of those light corners weight wise.
Speaker 6: Has anybody seeing Abrams drain from Missouri?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's funny because I was I was about
Speaker 4: to mention your guy. I was gonna mention the other
Speaker 4: Missouri corner.
Speaker 7: Okay, go ahead, no, go ahead.
Speaker 4: No, I'm gonna take an innest Rakestraw from from Missouri.
Speaker 4: He's a he's a Duncanville guy. Yeah yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 4: that I wanted to throw out a precursor here. Not
Speaker 4: every pet cat I'm gonna have is gonna be a
Speaker 4: guy I used to cover.
Speaker 5: From the guy.
Speaker 4: But there's two legitimate corners here from Missouri that are
Speaker 4: going to bed one day. Two type guys. I look
Speaker 4: at inn this Rakestraw. I want to start from the
Speaker 4: top with him. He was a guy back in the
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen or going into the twenty twenty recruiting class.
Speaker 4: He had zero offers going into the final two weeks
Speaker 4: of the recruiting cycle. Nothing. He was looking at FCS options.
Speaker 4: Alcorn State was one that was popping out for him.
Speaker 4: He had a huge state championship against north Shore, Alabama, Missouri, Texas.
Speaker 4: They all offered immediately and those were the three hats
Speaker 4: on the table for him on signing day, and he
Speaker 4: chose Missouri, and he could have gone to Alabama, he
Speaker 4: could have gone to Texas. Missouri showed him a lot
Speaker 4: of love and it was a huge win for Eli
Speaker 4: drink Woitz. There's actually a video out there of drink
Speaker 4: Woitz throwing a drink in the air and losing his
Speaker 4: mind over getting Rakestraw on signing day. But he started
Speaker 4: year one for them, all ten games in that twenty
Speaker 4: twenty season, and he has started every game since that.
Speaker 4: He's been healthy at least this past year. He didn't
Speaker 4: get thrown on him. He does not get tested at all,
Speaker 4: and it allowed for opportunities for Chris Abrams Strain and
Speaker 4: Chris Adens. Strain got a lot of work as a result,
Speaker 4: and it's actually huge for him because I think going
Speaker 4: into the season for Chris Abrams Strain, you were looking
Speaker 4: at a guy who was, you know, potentially a Day
Speaker 4: three type guy, you know, but just needed reps. And
Speaker 4: boy did he get him because and this Ray Charles
Speaker 4: on the other side locking things down. He's six foot
Speaker 4: one eighty eight. He's gonna be really lanky, but he's
Speaker 4: got really long arms. He's gonna press a guy right
Speaker 4: off the line and get physical. He has that Duncanville
Speaker 4: physicality tenacity that you have to see from a corner.
Speaker 4: He's got the aura. He's definitely got it. He's a
Speaker 4: guy that's starting to sneak into that late first round
Speaker 4: type of type of territory. I think for me, I
Speaker 4: would take him mid second. But I think he's a
Speaker 4: guy that's awesome. I really do enjoy him.
Speaker 6: Those Missouri corners are fun. They're they're a good group
Speaker 6: to watch. You're gonna help me with this name from
Speaker 6: U C. L A the edge Rusher. That's my guy's
Speaker 6: first second.
Speaker 4: I want to see if I can find it like Laatsu.
Speaker 4: I believe it's Latsu. But again, we're gonna'm about to
Speaker 4: go through all of these.
Speaker 7: Is it lot Tolatchu? For sure?
Speaker 6: I feel embarrassed because, like I said, I'm trying to
Speaker 6: learn these names. But I'll tell you what. You watched
Speaker 6: his tape. He's an edge from a U c.
Speaker 15: L A.
Speaker 6: He transferred from Washington. He's a no nonsense player. He's
Speaker 6: really lentless, effort, pursuit, NonStop. Most of his work is
Speaker 6: done from the two point stance. This guy's sixty five
Speaker 6: two sixty five, you know, so you're kind of thinking, oh, well,
Speaker 6: maybe he's got a three four defensive end kind of
Speaker 6: a build. You know that that that just that that
Speaker 6: you know, five technique head up guy.
Speaker 7: Now, this guy could play on the edge.
Speaker 6: And when you start to talk about him, it's the speed,
Speaker 6: it's the quickness, it's the length. He gives blockers trouble.
Speaker 6: He breaks guys down. He's a swat swim. Hands are
Speaker 6: always going, NonStop technique. He's got diverse pass rush moves too.
Speaker 6: And I really do like this kid. I know Dallas
Speaker 6: might not be looking at an edge, but if you
Speaker 6: want to talk about a guy, if you if you're
Speaker 6: one of these fans that maybe another team that's looking
Speaker 6: at edge, look at Latou from from UCLA.
Speaker 7: Where's number fifteen? Now?
Speaker 6: The thing about him is he's dealt with some injury history.
Speaker 6: He's he's had a medical history and he had to
Speaker 6: like step away from the game and then got clear
Speaker 6: back to being able to play. So we'll see how
Speaker 6: that affects him. But man, this guy as a run defender,
Speaker 6: pass rusher, the way he plays is just really really outstanding,
Speaker 6: And I think the Indie combined will tell the story
Speaker 6: of this guy. If he slides down the draft, he
Speaker 6: might be one of these guys on the board at
Speaker 6: twenty four that might If he might be, You're gonna
Speaker 6: look at it and say, maybe it's just too much
Speaker 6: that you can't pass a guy like this, because but
Speaker 6: you know, we some of the comparisons are what Lucas
Speaker 6: van Ness, the kid we saw from Iowa last year,
Speaker 6: that kind of some of that comparison.
Speaker 7: Maybe a little bit better player, I think.
Speaker 3: I would definitely say I think a.
Speaker 10: Little more Ben Yeah, definitely like lotch you. To me,
Speaker 10: I think is the best pass rusher in the draft
Speaker 10: in terms of edges him and versus two for two.
Speaker 10: To me, I think the guy that I'm gonna lost
Speaker 10: again that I could be totally wrong on. And I
Speaker 10: know I've talked to Brian about this, and he's getting
Speaker 10: love like he's the best edge rusher in the draft
Speaker 10: is Dallas Turner. Okay, I don't think I'm an Dallas
Speaker 10: Turner guy. To me, I'm taking Lat two over Dallas Turner.
Speaker 10: To me, Dallas Turner looks the part. He physically is very,
Speaker 10: very impressive, but I think he runs himself out of play.
Speaker 10: Sometimes he's got a good stab and a rip inside
Speaker 10: he drops off into coverage.
Speaker 7: Is also a little bit weird and know why you're
Speaker 7: doing that sometimes with him.
Speaker 10: But to me, I just didn't see as hyped as
Speaker 10: he is as a top ten type of player. I
Speaker 10: didn't see that when I watched him play as a
Speaker 10: freak athlete. And I think scouts will look at that
Speaker 10: and be like, gosh, I can make him an absolute
Speaker 10: Pro Bowl All Pro player.
Speaker 7: But give me a lot too.
Speaker 10: If I had to, if I had to pick between
Speaker 10: the two of them, I think the guy. If you
Speaker 10: filled the twenty four goodness, I mean.
Speaker 7: The medicals are going to be. The medicals are going
Speaker 7: to be.
Speaker 5: That's what it's gonna be.
Speaker 7: So much fun.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're comparing him to Lucas van Ness, I
Speaker 2: mean Vanas was taken by the Packers at thirteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I mean he.
Speaker 3: Was not and we was.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember our reactions.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, yeah, because we didn't love like
Speaker 6: but that's what people comparison.
Speaker 7: I think. I think, I think he's I think, did
Speaker 7: you kids a better player than yeah?
Speaker 9: Last year when we were it was so many edges,
Speaker 9: If I'm not mistaken, it was a lot of edges.
Speaker 9: And I can't remember what his name was, but there
Speaker 9: was one that everyone was so high on early and
Speaker 9: we was.
Speaker 5: Like Tyree Wilson, Tyred.
Speaker 2: We were like, we all kind of talked about it,
Speaker 2: like good player, top ten pick maybe not.
Speaker 5: I mean that was kind of the thing.
Speaker 3: That's what I felt like about Dallas Turner. He's the
Speaker 3: that's what that's Wilson.
Speaker 4: Cowboys fans are worried about Mazie Smith and his rookie year.
Speaker 4: Go go talk to a Raiders fan about Tyree Wilson. Yeah,
Speaker 4: lots who kind of gives me. He has a little
Speaker 4: bit of Joey bo said, he's got that crazy size
Speaker 4: sixty five to sixty five coming off the edge. He's
Speaker 4: but he's athletic. He used that in athleticism and he's
Speaker 4: got a lot of power. May need to improve a
Speaker 4: little bit on technique because it's clear that he's used
Speaker 4: power his whole life, but he's athletic as hell. That's
Speaker 4: a guy you would love to have.
Speaker 2: It's funny you brought up lots as a transfer from Washington.
Speaker 2: My guy is currently finishing his Washington tenure. Brailan Trice
Speaker 2: ed Rusher, where's the single digit technician? He's strong, six
Speaker 2: foot four, two seventy five, gets off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: He's working guys backwards. He does have a run stuffing ability,
Speaker 2: he can move laterally, he knows how to close things out.
Speaker 2: The one thing is he doesn't have a great change
Speaker 2: of direction. He's not very bendy.
Speaker 5: That's not his game though. His game is a power game.
Speaker 7: Top heavy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very strong up front, but that's that's where
Speaker 2: I've got him. I haven't watched a ton of ed Rushers,
Speaker 2: only three at the moment, but he was my first watch, and.
Speaker 5: I really did like, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 10: There's something about him that stands out that you're like, okay, right,
Speaker 10: And I put out a tweet that is probably gonna
Speaker 10: get con on old takes exposed years from now. But
Speaker 10: I would give me a Brailn Trice over Dallas Turner.
Speaker 7: Well, wow, yeah, who do you got?
Speaker 3: I don't no, no, no, come.
Speaker 2: I haven't watched Dallas Turner yet, but just hearing the
Speaker 2: hype with him, I.
Speaker 7: Feel like that would be a tough top ten guy.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of Braylan Trice at like twenty five like that,
Speaker 2: like back half of the first I'm not gonna be
Speaker 2: a better pro.
Speaker 5: I think Tries might be that guy.
Speaker 3: I like it. Brian took my pet cat.
Speaker 4: It was a lot.
Speaker 9: No Jeremiah Trotter, talk about it, please, I talked about.
Speaker 3: Him enough I wanted to. This is another guy that
Speaker 3: caught my attention.
Speaker 11: Y'all.
Speaker 9: Don't don't roast me. But I know we talk about
Speaker 9: running back and maybe that it's not nearly as good
Speaker 9: as it was last year. But Marshaun Lloyd out of
Speaker 9: USC stood out to me a little bit. Transferred from
Speaker 9: South Carolina to usc.
Speaker 7: USC to USC.
Speaker 9: Y'all make me so sick.
Speaker 7: Believe that just happened us.
Speaker 5: They're both gonna show up in an l s U
Speaker 5: Jersey next week.
Speaker 7: It's just gonna be great.
Speaker 6: Please.
Speaker 3: But now he stood out to me.
Speaker 9: He just the shiftiness and his cut back ability, it
Speaker 9: stands out to you. I was looking at the just
Speaker 9: the overall foot quickness was there, and but the specifically
Speaker 9: the short area of quickness is off the charts to me.
Speaker 9: And I feel like he also too. If he sees it,
Speaker 9: he can go. I like the acceleration. The top speed
Speaker 9: is not elite or it's not like super high, but
Speaker 9: again I think you you can deal with it with
Speaker 9: the short area quickness. The lateral agility is crazy. He's
Speaker 9: strong too, Like his lower half is crazy.
Speaker 3: Now he's five to nine, so I don't know if
Speaker 3: anybody would care about that. He's two ten. He's two
Speaker 3: ten five to nine, so.
Speaker 7: But I can rock with five nine.
Speaker 9: He's very stout. He's very stout. His lower half of
Speaker 9: his body is really strong. To that point he is
Speaker 9: not afraid to pick up a blitz. He is not
Speaker 9: afraid to get his nose in there.
Speaker 3: Would pass pro That's a huge point.
Speaker 9: So some you know, because when people look at smaller
Speaker 9: running backs, they're like.
Speaker 3: You know, are people going to be trampling him?
Speaker 9: No, Like he's his lower half allows him to be
Speaker 9: able to stand in there. And do some of these
Speaker 9: blitz pickups and things like that. I think you would
Speaker 9: thrive his own scheme because again, like some of his
Speaker 9: lateral quickness is off the charts.
Speaker 3: So he got my attention.
Speaker 9: There's not a like I said, we talked about it,
Speaker 9: there's not a lot of the running back classes, not
Speaker 9: what it was last year.
Speaker 3: But this guy I think can play the game.
Speaker 4: My question for you on Marshawn Lloyd, and I know
Speaker 4: we're early in the process here, so it might be
Speaker 4: tough to make a comparison, but you look at a
Speaker 4: guy like Blake Koram who has similar size, a little
Speaker 4: bit better production, a little bit more speed, how do
Speaker 4: you kind of different differentiate the too For me.
Speaker 9: Now, when you look at Blake, because I watched him
Speaker 9: for quite a bit of time, obviously there's a lot
Speaker 9: of a lot of tape on him a touchdown, he's
Speaker 9: been doing a lot. I think that Marshan is a
Speaker 9: little bit more punishing as far as power, and I
Speaker 9: like Blake and I like what he's able to do.
Speaker 9: But at the same time, I do I think Marshan
Speaker 9: has a good balance of the power and the speed
Speaker 9: in the lateral quickness. I know Korn could do a
Speaker 9: lot of stuff and bounce to the outside, and he
Speaker 9: displays patients and things like that. I think Marshan has
Speaker 9: these things. But if he dips his shoulder, he's gonna
Speaker 9: make you pay. You're gonna feel him a little bit
Speaker 9: more to me than what you're gonna feel Quorm.
Speaker 3: So that would to me be the distation between the two.
Speaker 9: They both don't have like crazy breakaway speed like I said,
Speaker 9: but even so, I still think that Marshaan has a
Speaker 9: little bit more juice as at that top.
Speaker 4: Speed, and then that plays say I plays into past
Speaker 4: protection as well.
Speaker 9: So yeah, the similar cup back ability as Korn.
Speaker 3: Like to your point, I'm.
Speaker 9: Glad that you brought that up, because, yeah, their cup
Speaker 9: back ability is similar to me, the lateral quickness and
Speaker 9: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: You mentioned the production and all that stuff.
Speaker 9: But if you go look at him, he will look
Speaker 9: at Marshan as see the year he was there or
Speaker 9: the time he was there, he was decently productive.
Speaker 3: But to average seven point yards of carry.
Speaker 9: This past season is let you know, this guy can
Speaker 9: rumble if he needs to rumble, And can I.
Speaker 5: Slid one more? Dude in one more because I'm geeking
Speaker 5: over here for it.
Speaker 10: You guys, watch Jersey Newton from Illinois.
Speaker 4: I have a hilarious story about it.
Speaker 3: I watched him last year. I think I forgot my
Speaker 3: notes in him.
Speaker 7: I'd love to hear the story.
Speaker 10: But as far as defensive tackles go, like, man, what
Speaker 10: would I like to see the consistency with his get
Speaker 10: off a little bit more? Yes, but holy moly, this
Speaker 10: dude was a fun watch. I mean and and I
Speaker 10: love his awareness. He puts that big pop he has
Speaker 10: swatting balls the line of scrimmage. He takes on double teams.
Speaker 10: I think he play three tech. I think kick out
Speaker 10: and play some five tech. He's got some versatility, plays
Speaker 10: with tremendous leverage. It was one of my notes on him,
Speaker 10: and I love him. I mean he's a little bit smaller.
Speaker 10: Maybe the yeah, short arms, short arms, But to me,
Speaker 10: I mean he does do a good job of of
Speaker 10: shedding blocks and being able to chase, play, scrape down
Speaker 10: the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 7: To Newton was a fun study.
Speaker 9: Yes, interesting, you put him next to a ham, He's
Speaker 9: gonna go.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's he's to your point. I watched him.
Speaker 9: I remember watching him last year because we were so
Speaker 9: impressed by the Illinois defense in general, so well coached
Speaker 9: and that secondary back there. Maybe you think they was
Speaker 9: you think they was thriving just because No, that that
Speaker 9: front four was steady for Illinois as well. And so yeah,
Speaker 9: i'd like his hands too. The violence in his hands,
Speaker 9: I think that's what helps him. Yeah short, Yeah, it's hard, right,
Speaker 9: the hand fighting is there. So he's he is an
Speaker 9: interesting watch. I'm gonna find my notes there.
Speaker 10: Ben was more impressive than I was anticipating. When I
Speaker 10: first started watching, it was like, man, this guy's got
Speaker 10: some bed to him.
Speaker 5: You know what this sounds like.
Speaker 2: It sounds like Elijah Chancey from Pitt last year a
Speaker 2: certain extent what it was, Okay, Chancy was like to
Speaker 2: eighty Yeah he was a.
Speaker 6: Little bit of a smaller guy. But yeah, this guy's
Speaker 6: super disruptive. You guys are right about that.
Speaker 7: Uh. The chase is excellent and when he gets in position.
Speaker 6: I mean, this guy, I always say it in my notes,
Speaker 6: like this guy's he's got like a dynamic initial burst.
Speaker 7: Yes, the way he comes off the ball and gets
Speaker 7: into these blockers love it.
Speaker 5: A lot of names flying around. That's what we wanted.
Speaker 2: This first aid don't worry fans, we will have Twitter
Speaker 2: on the twenty tomorrow.
Speaker 3: It will happen.
Speaker 2: We will have Twitter on the twenty. Whenever we were
Speaker 2: sending out the rundown, it's like, I want to get
Speaker 2: names out here. I want to just start hitting as
Speaker 2: many prospects as possible.
Speaker 7: You guys are on your today.
Speaker 2: When we come back, though, you'll have to be on
Speaker 2: our game a little bit more because it's time to
Speaker 2: grade the twenty twenty three class. And does the lack
Speaker 2: of production change your draft philosophy for the Dallas Cowboys.
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Speaker 2: I Hate Shamorrison, Zach Wolchuck Brian brought us Nick Harris,
Speaker 2: Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman's all right,
Speaker 2: this is the uh the segment that I feel like
Speaker 2: all of us are probably going to uh we regret
Speaker 2: talking about at some point. Just but we have to
Speaker 2: talk to struggle. Yeah, just gotta talk about it. Twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three draft class for the Dallas Cowboys. Unfortunate breaks
Speaker 2: in the area of Demarvion Overshown. Yep, I'm going down
Speaker 2: early in the season. But you have first round pick
Speaker 2: Mazzie Smith's, second round pick Luke Scoonmaker, fourth round pick
Speaker 2: Villa Yami Fojoko. Then you have Eric Scott Junior. You
Speaker 2: have Awesome Richards in the fifth round, you have Douce
Speaker 2: Vaughan in the sixth round, and then yeah, not a
Speaker 2: whole lot of production across the board. Jalen Brooks was
Speaker 2: a seventh round pick. Not a ton of production. Brian,
Speaker 2: You've been in these draft rooms. You've been in these
Speaker 2: war rooms, had drafts like this before.
Speaker 7: Here.
Speaker 5: You've had ups and you've had down.
Speaker 2: I'm doing radio with you guys, right, Yeah, where does
Speaker 2: this change things, if at all?
Speaker 5: Yeah, in terms of your philosophy moving forward, Well.
Speaker 6: What's disappointing to me is though I think you had
Speaker 6: a clear plan for what you wanted to do with Mazzi.
Speaker 6: I think that you had an idea and then all
Speaker 6: of a sudden it switched and you know the thing
Speaker 6: with Mazie and we all.
Speaker 7: Watched the games.
Speaker 6: The one problem that Mozzi has is when he doesn't
Speaker 6: get off the snap quick enough, he gets blocked, you know,
Speaker 6: and then maybe the weight loss was trying it in
Speaker 6: his way of saying, oh, I could be quicker, I
Speaker 6: could get off the ball quicker if I'm smaller, But
Speaker 6: that's really not what I felt like the vision for
Speaker 6: Mozzie Smith was, you know, so the vision, let's be honest.
Speaker 6: Before the draft, remember we were talking about tight ends
Speaker 6: in the first round. They were talking about Laporta.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Remember we were all kind of looking at You're like, damn,
Speaker 6: they might take Laportera here in the first round. They
Speaker 6: were smart about that. They obviously had a vision for
Speaker 6: what Luke Schoonmaker. We all saw Luke Schoonmaker as more
Speaker 6: of a blocker, a guy that.
Speaker 7: When Blake Korum ran the football, who is it going behind?
Speaker 6: Is behind Schoonmaker in this offensive line and those they're
Speaker 6: getting pushed and all that.
Speaker 7: So you had a vision for that overshown. Unfortunate what
Speaker 7: happened for him.
Speaker 6: I'm doing a preseason game, he's six plays, he's got
Speaker 6: three tackles. I'm going, damn, this guy needs to be
Speaker 6: on the field more. You know, you just kind of
Speaker 6: go down through it and it's it's a really good roster.
Speaker 6: But the young players that the top players that they
Speaker 6: had visions for it didn't work out. I can understand
Speaker 6: the Eric Scott's and people like that down the Brooks
Speaker 6: down there, you know, down the line, because you're kind
Speaker 6: of looking for traits and trying to find it. But
Speaker 6: when you don't hit on the top three guys, that
Speaker 6: that makes it look.
Speaker 7: A lot worse than it really is, you know.
Speaker 6: And I they had vision for these players and what
Speaker 6: they could do. It's just they did not. They were
Speaker 6: not They did not live up to the vision I
Speaker 6: believed that the front office had for what those guys,
Speaker 6: uh could could give them And and and they're playing
Speaker 6: from behind. Scoon Maker was injured, but in mini camps
Speaker 6: and stuff like that, awesome.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm not making excuses for the guy. But
Speaker 7: he was at Michigan.
Speaker 6: You watch him, man, he was a physical player, and
Speaker 6: I thought, well, he's gonna you know him Ferguson, They're
Speaker 6: gonna be fine.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: One of the reasons why you don't run the ball
Speaker 6: particularly well is point of attack. Blocking at the edge,
Speaker 6: you know, with your tight ends has not been great,
Speaker 6: you know, and that's why you tried to go schoon
Speaker 6: Maker and it didn't work out. Right Now, you know, hey,
Speaker 6: we've seen Dalton Schultz here not do anything, you know,
Speaker 6: and then two years later he's you know, he's off
Speaker 6: doing great things.
Speaker 7: So you know, that's my hope for guys like that.
Speaker 6: It's unfortunate that they got no production out of the
Speaker 6: really the top three.
Speaker 7: Guys that they drafted. I mean, I think that's important.
Speaker 7: I think it's you know, take it, take a beat.
Speaker 10: You know, did you get the production that you wanted
Speaker 10: from these guys year one?
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 10: I think the Dalton Schultz comparison is a brilliant one.
Speaker 10: There were questions is he going to make the roster?
Speaker 10: Then he turns into one of them, but your most
Speaker 10: reliable players. And I think Schoonmaker is a guy you
Speaker 10: were watching him on film. I think the blocking started
Speaker 10: to come along. You started to see him do a
Speaker 10: better job as the season went. You know, as a receiver,
Speaker 10: you've got a guy in Jake Ferries and that's emerging
Speaker 10: as one of the best tight ends in the NFL.
Speaker 7: So I mean that that can come along nicely, but
Speaker 7: you know you.
Speaker 10: Wanted him to try and help your running game as
Speaker 10: an inline blocker. The Mazie thing with the weight loss
Speaker 10: fascinates me. I think you saw flashes from Mazie this
Speaker 10: year at time, and he's a guy that naturally is
Speaker 10: not going to just fill up the stat sheet, right.
Speaker 10: He's not going to be a Micah Parsons for you
Speaker 10: or a Fowler with the splash plays that they talked
Speaker 10: about on post game shows before. But you know, you
Speaker 10: want Mazi to do some of the dirty work. And
Speaker 10: I think that maybe some of it was frustration on
Speaker 10: his part as well. Yeah, I think that he expects
Speaker 10: a lot out of himself and he didn't quite get
Speaker 10: that this year. But I mean, Jalen Tolbert was a
Speaker 10: guy that people quit on last year. Tolbert gave you
Speaker 10: some good moments this year. So just because there wasn't
Speaker 10: a good rookie season, I'm not quitting on some of
Speaker 10: these guys. And I still I liked Junior Forojoco, he
Speaker 10: was a guy the motor. There was a lot of
Speaker 10: stuff that I like. Crazy production didn't get to play
Speaker 10: a lot. I mean, it's awesome. Richard's the guy that
Speaker 10: did get to play a little bit due to injury
Speaker 10: this year, and I don't think was terrible in the
Speaker 10: reps that he got as well as that a guy
Speaker 10: that ends up getting a bigger role. So I think
Speaker 10: that the jury is still out the final grade on
Speaker 10: this draft class, how good, how bad it is. I
Speaker 10: think there's a still wait and see approach here, But
Speaker 10: certainly you're one. You didn't hit on your top two
Speaker 10: three got well. I think you would have on Overshown.
Speaker 10: I think people would have viewed this differently if overshown
Speaker 10: Ho had have been healthy.
Speaker 2: I agree, And I think you're also the frustration's probably
Speaker 2: amplified a significant margin because you look at the last
Speaker 2: couple drafts. You've had immediate impact from your previous three drafts. Yes,
Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb, Trayvon Diggs, Neville Gallimore, Tyler Battish.
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, it was.
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons, Oh Say Digizua, twenty twenty two, it was
Speaker 2: Tyler Smith, Jake Ferguson, de Ron Bland. Immediate production from
Speaker 2: those three draft classes. And then you get into twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, and like you said, the vision was there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the effort was there in terms of putting those guys
Speaker 2: on the field and making them fit into.
Speaker 7: A certain role.
Speaker 5: It just didn't work out.
Speaker 2: But does that mean the vision changes this time around
Speaker 2: whenever you go into a separate draft process.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But you know what, this organization does a good job
Speaker 6: now of taking the best available player on the board.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And I trust them for that because.
Speaker 6: I mean, to me, I don't think they I think
Speaker 6: they have an idea of going in what they would
Speaker 6: like to get, but they they've done a good job
Speaker 6: of saying, you know what, this is our stack.
Speaker 7: We're gonna take this guy right now.
Speaker 16: You know.
Speaker 6: I mean we talk about, oh, they need an edge, Oh,
Speaker 6: they need a linebacker. Oh, and then they take a
Speaker 6: ceed lamb or something like that, and you're like going, wow,
Speaker 6: Okay that I applaud them for what they've done. I
Speaker 6: think that approach will always work here. I think that's
Speaker 6: why they're one of the best draft in teams. I
Speaker 6: think it's unfortunate that the top three guys didn't get
Speaker 6: any production, real production this year. I don't think that
Speaker 6: changes for them. I think they're gonna stack their board.
Speaker 6: I think they're gonna look at the they're gonna grade
Speaker 6: the players. They're not gonna window dress their board, and
Speaker 6: they're gonna stack them up there, and if when it's
Speaker 6: their turn to pick, they're gonna take their top guy.
Speaker 6: I trust them to do that, I really really do.
Speaker 2: Since it is the first draft show, and then we
Speaker 2: may have some new listeners along the way. Window dressing
Speaker 2: a board. What does that mean terminology, Yeah, you don't
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 6: Just put guys in spots just because if you know,
Speaker 6: if you really don't believe a guy's a first round player,
Speaker 6: don't just put them up in the first round up
Speaker 6: there because everybody else in the lead thinks he's a
Speaker 6: first round player, if you really believe that, or or
Speaker 6: if somebody's got a guy in the third round, for example,
Speaker 6: Travis Frederick. Everybody has Travis Frederick as a as a
Speaker 6: third round player. They took him at pick thirty, you know, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's still below probably our cut line.
Speaker 7: We probably had.
Speaker 6: Twenty three first round grades, so he was more like
Speaker 6: a second round player, but they they took him at thirty.
Speaker 7: See that's that's.
Speaker 6: If you believe that a guy is that player, put
Speaker 6: him where you would take it.
Speaker 7: You know, don't window dress your board.
Speaker 6: Don't just put him up there because you all the
Speaker 6: scouting services said that's what you.
Speaker 7: Have to do.
Speaker 5: And this is not a team that window dresses there.
Speaker 5: But they will not window dress their Tyler Smith.
Speaker 2: They took him above the pay grade at the time, Smith, Steamaker,
Speaker 2: some of them have worked, some of them at least
Speaker 2: did this, but have not.
Speaker 5: I'm with Zach.
Speaker 2: I'm not giving up on Monzie Smith and Luke Schoolmaker
Speaker 2: just yet. I think Demarvey and Overstrown can be a guy,
Speaker 2: but this is not an organization that in the past
Speaker 2: has window a dressed their board, and.
Speaker 5: I think you should take comfort in that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, moving forward, Yeah, I mean when you talk about
Speaker 12: this this draft, this past draft class, and like you
Speaker 12: guys talked about the lack of production, I know we
Speaker 12: are giving them some time and stuff because development is important,
Speaker 12: but it did hurt especially I mean you mentioned Juni
Speaker 12: and Fojoko.
Speaker 3: I was really sad, low key that.
Speaker 9: We didn't get to see him this season because one
Speaker 9: thing that stood up stood out about him on tape
Speaker 9: was how he can contain the edge and defend the edge.
Speaker 9: And I baby, look, where do people attack you this
Speaker 9: year on the edge have mercy because I feel like
Speaker 9: his I felt like his size didn't take away from
Speaker 9: his speed and to your point, the explosiveness, his ability
Speaker 9: to shed and tackle, his power was a problem for tackles.
Speaker 9: And so I was looking at him because if you're smart,
Speaker 9: you're not just gonna run at the Marcus Lawrence. The
Speaker 9: Cowboys have been needing an edge opposite of DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 9: that can consistently stop the run. You got guys that
Speaker 9: can rush the pastor you have and had a guy
Speaker 9: that can go over there and man that spot and
Speaker 9: make people have to make decisions.
Speaker 3: And so I was really looking forward to him.
Speaker 9: So to see, you know that this year, to see
Speaker 9: him not have that opportunity to be on the field
Speaker 9: where he just.
Speaker 3: Didn't get on the field, was that stood out to me.
Speaker 9: But also with Schoonmaker, Doug, twelve personnel could have helped
Speaker 9: you a lot this year.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't that they didn't run it. It's the
Speaker 3: fact that there's an element of football that matters, and
Speaker 3: people know Big.
Speaker 9: Homie ain't catching no passes for real, So it don't
Speaker 9: matter if you running them out there and you're doing
Speaker 9: some twelve personnel type stuff people are. They're focusing on
Speaker 9: Ferguson and having another receiving tight end could have made
Speaker 9: a hell of a difference and the way this offense
Speaker 9: was run.
Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, I did.
Speaker 9: Like some of the things that Schoolmaker did in the
Speaker 9: blocking game and stuff, but of the lack of receiving
Speaker 9: from that second tight end, it hurt this year. And
Speaker 9: I do think it could have opened up this offense
Speaker 9: a little more if you got some production there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they started treating Ferguson like a wide receiver. You're
Speaker 6: seeing shit orders playing on him, you know, and stuff
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I'm with you guys on the jury
Speaker 4: still being out for this class. But I think you
Speaker 4: also have to look at the results and what's on paper,
Speaker 4: and it's the fact that you had eight draft picks
Speaker 4: and only two of them were active for every game
Speaker 4: this season, and only two of them were really, uh
Speaker 4: key players that were on the field quite a bit.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I look at Schoonmakers being probably the best draft pick,
Speaker 4: and you know, based on his production, that's probably not
Speaker 4: the best thing in the world. I think, Well, I
Speaker 4: think t J. Bass is the best rookie in this
Speaker 4: entire class. Yeah, what TJ. Bass was able to do
Speaker 4: and bring to the field. You also got to look
Speaker 4: at Hunter Lippy and what he was able to do.
Speaker 4: I know that fun with Sammy was tough. TJ. Bass.
Speaker 4: I think he was kind of the saving grace of
Speaker 4: the rookie class and.
Speaker 6: Him, right, we're talking about you should have been drafted.
Speaker 6: I mean there's a lot of people that you know, like, damn,
Speaker 6: we missed on that guy.
Speaker 3: Put some put some respect on Jalen Brooks a little bit.
Speaker 3: I he didn't get to he didn't get to do
Speaker 3: a whole whole bunch.
Speaker 9: But I feel like the times we did see him,
Speaker 9: he was productive. But he's showed you more than what
Speaker 9: I think people expected of him, especially like coming in
Speaker 9: I'm thinking, i mean we thought, like, all, this guy's
Speaker 9: going to be his body, and then he comes in
Speaker 9: and he's sure, hands, strong, hands, really weird, sneaky quickness
Speaker 9: which makes no sense.
Speaker 3: He uses his length really well, those long strides.
Speaker 9: I personally do think he does have some upside as
Speaker 9: a receiver, and we could see maybe what he's capable of.
Speaker 3: You have something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll say he's probably the only draft pick that overperformed.
Speaker 2: That was just about to say that if you were
Speaker 2: looking at top to bottom one through through eight of
Speaker 2: the draft picks last year, he's the only one that
Speaker 2: went over show asterisk.
Speaker 3: But yeah, got to be fair to him.
Speaker 2: He's the only one that that went above the expectations.
Speaker 2: Everybody else was probably below expectations.
Speaker 3: Have y'all heard anything about Eric Scott? Has there been
Speaker 3: any like? And don't get me wrong, I caught.
Speaker 9: Up with him early on, because when you looked at
Speaker 9: him on tape, you said, Okay, this guy compressed, he's sticky,
Speaker 9: got that little you know, that velcrow little.
Speaker 3: He plays the them absolutely love.
Speaker 9: Them, yes, right, And so obviously we didn't get a
Speaker 9: chance to see him. He did have a little bit
Speaker 9: of a point in a preseason where he was struggling.
Speaker 3: I caught up with him.
Speaker 9: I asked him they were working, If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 9: they were working a zone concepts with him, because you
Speaker 9: got to be able to do both from this place.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 9: So did y'all hear anything throughout the season or any
Speaker 9: updates on him?
Speaker 5: Not specifically?
Speaker 2: I think I think what you what you were outlining
Speaker 2: is is about the rundown on Eric's okay. They're trying
Speaker 2: to get him more comfortable with his own concepts. He
Speaker 2: played a lot of man at Southern Miss. He was
Speaker 2: mostly press corner. I mean, he was up top and physical.
Speaker 2: They want him to be able to track at the
Speaker 2: same time and cover, and I just think he wasn't
Speaker 2: ready for that as a rookie.
Speaker 5: But if you're a six round pick, you're.
Speaker 2: Expected to have a little bit of leeway get into
Speaker 2: a development, a side of things, come back from camp.
Speaker 5: This year, he's going to have to have a big camp.
Speaker 7: And well for him strap.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm asking they clearly they can.
Speaker 7: Pick this draft to move up and get him. Talk
Speaker 7: about Scott.
Speaker 9: This year, Well, is the DC gonna be designed because
Speaker 9: of the same he might not like.
Speaker 7: He might not like him. Now, let's tell you what
Speaker 7: talk about this tomorrow.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I know we're going over here, but really quick.
Speaker 4: I think there is an opportunity for Eric Scott to
Speaker 4: be able to jump in if they decide to move
Speaker 4: on from Jordan Lewis. I think there's an opportunity for
Speaker 4: him and.
Speaker 2: Nicol Okay, good to think about it, Yeah, okay, And
Speaker 2: there's there's opportunities that could line up for a lot
Speaker 2: of these rookies, the twenty twenty three rookies specifically spots
Speaker 2: at edge rusher for Villiami for Hookos, spots on the
Speaker 2: offensive line for Austin Richards. Is it foregone conclusion that
Speaker 2: that's where they're gonna end up plugging in?
Speaker 7: Absolutely not.
Speaker 5: There's a lot that can happen between now.
Speaker 2: And then, including from a coaching staff standpoint, like I
Speaker 2: should just eloquently put a couple of moments ago, who's
Speaker 2: your DC, who's your head coach? Who is going to
Speaker 2: be on the opposite side of the building. We will
Speaker 2: continue to monitor that as we go on Tomorrow, We're
Speaker 2: we're going to dive deeper into this twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: draft class. I want to do some more telling me more.
Speaker 2: We'll have some Twitter on the twenty and we'll continue
Speaker 2: to get you ready for ninety nine days away the
Speaker 2: NFL Draft in Detroit, Michigan coming up here in just
Speaker 2: a couple of months.
Speaker 5: That does it for us here on the initial episode
Speaker 5: here in twenty twenty four for Chris.
Speaker 2: Beam, Zach Walchuk, Nick Harris, Brian brought us Aisha Morrison,
Speaker 2: 'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 5: We'll see you tomorrow.
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