1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 2: Join us for a musical journey like no other. 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 3: Today on the Taking a Walk Podcast, I'm buzz night 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 3: to your host, and we're joined by Steve Cohen, longtime 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 3: creative director for Billy Joel and executive producer of the 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 3: new HBO documentary Billy Joel and So It Goes. 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: So, whether you're a lifelong. 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 3: Fan of the piano Man or curious about the highs 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 3: and lows behind the hits, Steve brings exclusive behind the 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: scenes insights about the crafting of this two part film 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 3: coming up. 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: Next, Taking a Walk. 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 2: Good morning, Steve, I'm honored to have you on the 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: Taking a Walk Podcast. 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. 16 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: I imagine you've taken walks over your lifetime with Billy Joel. 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: Can you describe that experience taking walks? 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 4: I mean, Billy, I think I think most of the 19 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 4: time we were in various means of conveyance. I think 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 4: I think walking from the car to the backstage is 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 4: about as far as we end up walking together. But 22 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 4: we have, we have traveled a lot of miles together, 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 4: that's for sure. 24 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: The documentary is just fantastic And So It Goes. I 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 2: have to ask you, was there a point in time 26 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: that you finally, with the final cut, sat with Billy 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 2: and watched the entire thing from beginning to end. 28 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 4: That's exactly what happened. Actually, say you must have got 29 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 4: some inside information. Basically, he really didn't want to see 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 4: anything until he thought that we felt it was right 31 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 4: for him to do that. The director Susan Lacy and 32 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 4: Jessica Levin sort of left it up to, you know, 33 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 4: me to sort of feel Billy's willingness and interest in 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 4: you know, when he wanted to sit down and do it. 35 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 4: I basically waited until we got to a place where 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 4: there were where it wasn't in a final cut form, 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 4: but the narrative was nailed down, and the music selections 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 4: were nailed down, and most of the visuals were in place, 39 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 4: even if some of them were temporary, and I don't know, 40 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 4: one afternoon, I said, well, listen, I've got both parts. 41 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: You want to watch it? 42 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 4: And he came over and it was just him and 43 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 4: me sitting on a couch and I will tell you, 44 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 4: looking out of the corner of my eye watching him 45 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 4: watch this film was a little bit unnerving. 46 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: There's a lot in. 47 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 4: This film that, you know, I didn't know how he 48 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 4: would react to, you know, emotionally. You know, he set 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 4: this thing up from the beginning by telling, you know, 50 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 4: the filmmakers that you know, he really didn't want to 51 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 4: tell his story. That he just hoped that they would 52 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 4: be honest and sort of instructed them to tell the truth. 53 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 4: And they did, and they got him to comment on 54 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 4: some some great stuff and some great memories, but also 55 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 4: some uncomfortable ones. 56 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, I was, I was it relieved. 57 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 4: He leaned in to the to the to the television 58 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 4: a couple of times, and I watched him and then 59 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 4: afterwards he said, well, I got to say it's a 60 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 4: it's a great movie, even if it wasn't about me. 61 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 4: So that's sort of the best compliment you could get 62 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 4: from an artist. 63 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: My god, I don't picture you as a chain smoker, 64 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: but did you consider taking up chain smoking as you were? 65 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: We both were chain smokers. 66 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 4: I mean, he had his little vape with him, so 67 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 4: he was he was puffing pretty. 68 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: Good on it. But yeah, I uh, it was a 69 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: little bit of a nail biting. 70 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: You know. 71 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 4: It's it's interesting because Billy and I, you know, we 72 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 4: go back five decades and as as as good friends 73 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 4: and collaborators we've been for you know, all of that time. 74 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 4: You know, it's it's daunting when your tasks with the 75 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: responsibility of putting together a team to tell this guy's story, 76 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 4: and you never know, he could have thrown furniture. 77 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, after so. 78 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: Much resistance over the years of Billy wanting to do this, 79 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: what tip the scales in getting him to say yes, you. 80 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 4: Know, I don't think we ever addressed that specifically. What 81 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: I do know is that we had many offers over 82 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 4: the years. He had many offers over the years to 83 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 4: do a biography, a biopic, whatever you want to call 84 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 4: this this day and age of a celebrity telling their 85 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 4: life story, and wasn't interested. His his his standard line 86 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 4: was always, you know, my my, my life stories in 87 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 4: my songs, Listen to my songs, and you know. 88 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: Everything you need to know about me. 89 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 4: But I think at some point we were winding down 90 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 4: the Madison Square Garden run. 91 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: We knew that that was coming to an end. You know, 92 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: the future of. 93 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 4: Touring was, you know, sort of laid out there and 94 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 4: and I think at some point he just made the 95 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 4: turn and said, you know what, there seems to be 96 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 4: an interest in in in my life. These filmmakers are 97 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 4: the right filmmakers. HBO is the right network. You know, 98 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: let's let's do it. And I don't think that he specifically, 99 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 4: you know, flipped the switch, but I think it was 100 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 4: an evolution of just being comfortable to you know, let 101 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 4: that part of his story out. He's very happy right now. 102 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 4: He's got a wonderful family. He's got two young kids, 103 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 4: and I think that there might be something there about 104 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 4: wanting to you know, lay down a legacy for them. 105 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: But I'm only guessing. I really, I really don't. 106 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 4: I really don't know the inner workings of what the decision, 107 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 4: what made him make the decision to say yes, talk. 108 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: About the use of archival footage which is just so 109 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: incredible and rare performances that are part of this gem, 110 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: What was the process in selecting Well. 111 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: It was kind of surprising for me, you know, as 112 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 4: I said, you know, being around for this long time 113 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 4: is a little bit shady about how much was actually 114 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 4: covered over the years. You know, we weren't the kind 115 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 4: of band or artists or group that you know, had 116 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 4: everybody rolling cameras. Of course, you know, long before iPhones 117 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 4: and recording devices were so easy to carry around. So 118 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 4: there wasn't a lot, you know, there wasn't a lot 119 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 4: of that kind of footage of you know, fly on 120 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,119 Speaker 4: the wall kind of stuff, a lot of home movies, 121 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 4: very very few home movies. And you know, Billy was 122 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 4: loath to be put on camera anyway. He didn't like 123 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 4: being filmed, he didn't like being you know, pictures taken. 124 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 4: So so I think I was very The big surprise 125 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 4: for me was how much there was. 126 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: There was a lot over the years, collected by a 127 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: lot of other people. 128 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 4: So it was going through Billy's archives, it was going 129 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 4: through Sony's archives, which was vast, and we had a 130 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 4: we had a group of people that we called, we 131 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 4: affectionately called the mind Hive, which are a few three, 132 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 4: really four really incredible Billy Joelfans that have been collecting 133 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 4: memorabilia for the past, you know, twenty five thirty years, 134 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 4: and they were a great resource. So, you know, it 135 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 4: was you know, as the narrative developed, then the visual 136 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 4: explanations of those pieces of the narrative became you know, identified, 137 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 4: and then you'd say, well, you'd really love to have 138 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: a picture of this particular interaction, and you'd find it 139 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 4: and sometimes you'd find ten or fifteen. 140 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes you'd only find one. 141 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 4: So it was a process, and what we're left with 142 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 4: now is a pretty comprehensive archive for Billy. You know, 143 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 4: going forward, there's a museum that there's a museum full 144 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: of stuff. 145 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: Now. 146 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: I particularly loved how the Philadelphia experience was covered because 147 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: in my past life one of the stations I managed 148 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: was WMMR, and it was just so great Ed Shaki 149 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: who did part time work for me for a while, 150 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: and just the integral part of ED and the station 151 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: and just how that came together. That was told so 152 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: wonderfully in the documentary. 153 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: Well that's really you know, that's gratifying. 154 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 4: Look, Philadelphia for the Billy Joel world was very important 155 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: for many years we did. You know, I remember doing 156 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 4: shows at the Academy Music in Philadelphia very early on 157 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 4: that were some of the best shows he ever did. 158 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 4: They would expand to like three hours, and he would 159 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 4: do impressions and do covers and it was really a 160 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 4: very comfortable venue. And you know, Philadelphia was one of 161 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,679 Speaker 4: the main cities where he broke in popularity, obviously because 162 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 4: of ED and WMMR and the Captain Jack things. So 163 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 4: it was a very It was a key pivotal moment 164 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 4: in Billy's career, so it had to be covered. 165 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 2: The film features over one hundred and twenty Billy Joel's songs. 166 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: How did you approach the selection of the music catalog 167 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: and weaving that in? 168 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 4: Well, my approach was simply to go, you know, through 169 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 4: the Billy Joel, through us in the Billy Joel camp, 170 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 4: and go to Universal on Sony and implore them to 171 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 4: create a structure where the filmmakers, because you could use 172 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: as much as they wanted. You know, in many case 173 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 4: is licensing is very expensive and in a lot of 174 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 4: cases and and it becomes restrictive from the creative side. 175 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 4: So what we did in the in our world was 176 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 4: go to our partners Universal Music Publishing and Sony and 177 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: implore them to just, you know, create a structure where 178 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 4: where all of the music could. 179 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: Be used if it was if it wanted to. 180 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 4: And Susan Lacey and Jessica Levan both made it very 181 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 4: very clear that they were going to use ninety nine 182 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 4: percent of the music in this film was going to 183 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 4: be Billy Joel music. And we went in and had 184 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 4: instrumental versions stripped out, some vocals, of some of the 185 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 4: recorded tracks to use it as score, because you know, 186 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 4: that's it's all in. 187 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: It's all in the. 188 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 4: Music, as he says many many times. So we created 189 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 4: a landing strip for them to be able to use 190 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 4: as much as they wanted, and I'm so glad they 191 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: did their songs. 192 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: There's bits and pieces of of B and C C. 193 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 4: Tracks that are that never get heard, that are are 194 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 4: a big part of big part of the soundtrack. 195 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 2: Steve, what do you think the project reveals about the 196 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: pressures and the joys of a long career in music, 197 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: both for Billy and for yourself. 198 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 4: I think it reveals this unique combination of life experiences 199 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 4: and the creation of a genius. I think I had 200 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 4: an analogy that I used with Susan a long time 201 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 4: ago about a diamond, that a diamond is created under 202 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 4: intense pressure and intense heat, and I believe that, you know, 203 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 4: out of coal and I believe are carbon atoms, and 204 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 4: I believe that Billy is very much the product of 205 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 4: this beautiful, brilliant, shining diamond from you know, pressure and 206 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 4: intense pain and intense experiences that you know gave birth 207 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 4: to this narrative of songs that we're blessed with, So 208 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 4: I think that I think that what Susan and Jessica 209 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 4: have done is point the viewer towards the origin of 210 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 4: the creative spark that exists in all great artists, but 211 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 4: in Billy's case, is sometimes underappreciated or underreported. And I 212 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 4: think you're going to listen to these songs after you 213 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 4: hear the true backstories of many of them, and hear 214 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 4: them in a completely different manner, which I think is great. 215 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 4: Like these songs we know for forty years, all of 216 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 4: a sudden are going to sound different to us because 217 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 4: we know the backstories. So I think that's what the 218 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 4: what I hope the film reveals. The other thing I 219 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 4: hope the film reveals is, you know, unknown parts of 220 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 4: Billy's story that have never been reported the very the 221 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 4: very or never been really spoken about. The early years, 222 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 4: his relationship with his first wife, Elizabeth and how she 223 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 4: became so important to the creation of the Billy Joel story, 224 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 4: the inspiration for a lot of those songs, and his 225 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 4: relationship with his father or lack of, and the Holocaust backstory. 226 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 4: I think those three things are very important, and classical 227 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 4: music being a prime driver in his creative process. 228 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: Steven Closing. I don't know what you could say about 229 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: Billie's how he's feeling these days, but I just want 230 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: to extend from all of the taking a Walk listeners 231 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: and the fans of Billy that he's on our mind 232 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: and we love him, and I hope he's doing well well. 233 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 4: Last time I spoke to him, he's doing pretty good. 234 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 4: I think there's a viral clip of him in New 235 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 4: York with some people on a petticap singing New York 236 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 4: state of Mind, and he, you know, interacts with them. 237 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 4: He just he just kind of peeked onto the Bill 238 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 4: Maher podcast the other day. So you know, he's looking good, 239 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 4: and he's you know, he's taking a walk. He's definitely 240 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 4: doing his physical therapy and stuff. So you know, I 241 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 4: think he's enjoying life and he's working it, you know, 242 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 4: getting better. 243 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: So but yeah, thank you. 244 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 4: I'm sure everybody wants to send those good vibes. 245 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure the good vibes are helping. 246 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: Give him our love. Steve Bravo and so it goes 247 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: on HBO. Thank you so much for all you give us. 248 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Bus great talking to you, Thanks 249 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: for listening. 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