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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, twenty nine,

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Speaker 1: Episode four of Daily's Like Guys.

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Speaker 2: Day production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. And it is Thursday, March fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. That's pie Day.

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Speaker 2: You got that? Wow?

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Speaker 1: You don't have to. I don't even have three man,

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Speaker 1: Why don't you bad on?

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Speaker 2: That's that's all you get on your base? Holy shit? Man,

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Speaker 2: tell them, I guess, tell them what everything else is? Man,

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Speaker 2: because you know everything else?

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Speaker 3: It's Oh, you're so smart? Is to read off this

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Speaker 3: list every day? It's also National Write Down Your Story Day.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why, National Children's Craft Day.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to everybodying arts and crafts, National Learn about

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Speaker 2: Butterflies Day, National Potato Chip Day, okay, and I guess

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Speaker 2: also shout out to Saint Louis area because your area

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Speaker 2: code is three one four, so maybe it's also National

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Speaker 2: stl Day.

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Speaker 4: Three one four.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien aka Potato chip Obrian, oh.

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Speaker 1: In honor of our national day here and I'm thrilled

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Speaker 1: to be joined as always by my co host, mister

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Speaker 1: Miles Gray.

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Speaker 5: Miles Gray aka Whoa definitely just wanted to brag about

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Speaker 5: how my mom is.

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Speaker 2: Still breathing now.

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Speaker 1: Whoa.

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Speaker 2: It was always my intention to brag about how my

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Speaker 2: loved one still breathing right now. But God, does it

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Speaker 2: feel so good that I wrote red row on the

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Speaker 2: mirror they breathed on. And if you could, then you

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Speaker 2: know you would anxiously check on your loved ones hell

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Speaker 2: check on their hell. Shout out. I am a person

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Speaker 2: on the discord. Shout out you for picking up on

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Speaker 2: my childhood anxiety of just checking in on my mom

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Speaker 2: if she was breathing, even though creeper of the fuck out,

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Speaker 2: just have to know as a curious Fields just got

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Speaker 2: to check in on the parents and they're breathing. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: and wow, it's been a while. Submit it will belt

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Speaker 2: out misery business by Paramore, So thank you. It was beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Uh well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in

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Speaker 1: our third seat by the best author of books like

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Speaker 1: John Dies at the End Zoe. He punches the future

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Speaker 1: and the dick and we got a new one, got

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Speaker 1: a new Chiese, or at least as the first not

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Speaker 1: part you know, original unrelated to a previous franchise novel

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Speaker 1: he's dropped in a while. It's called I'm Starting to

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Speaker 1: Worry about This Black Box of Doom. It's available for

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Speaker 1: pre order right now, so anywhere you want to go

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Speaker 1: preorder it, go do that right now. And he's also

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Speaker 1: one of the hosts of the podcast Big Feats, which,

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Speaker 1: if I'm reading this New Yorker profile correctly, is quote

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Speaker 1: the only Mountain Monsters podcast officially endorsed by Big Feet.

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Speaker 1: He's my former coworker at crack dot Com and co

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Speaker 1: creator of the Cracked podcast. Welcome back to the show, Jason.

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Speaker 4: Parjo, and congratulations on getting renewed for a three ninth season.

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Speaker 1: It's every time. It's so nerve wracking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people count on us, and so

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Speaker 2: every time we always hear on a Friday night whether

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Speaker 2: or not we get the thumbs up with them now

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Speaker 2: and it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: So many shows start to go downhill after the three

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Speaker 4: hundred season, but it's cool now. This is there's so

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Speaker 4: much there's so much juice left to squeeze from.

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Speaker 2: Some say we're just starting to, you know, catch our

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Speaker 2: stride scribe Yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, most most say we fell the fuck off at

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Speaker 1: three hundred, They were like, wow, yeah, are you guys

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Speaker 1: even trying anymore? Like?

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Speaker 2: What is this? Season nine of.

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Speaker 1: The Simpsons come on? Season nine is still good? I

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Speaker 1: like them well into the teens, to.

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Speaker 2: Be honest, that's fine. I'm one of those. I'm rigid.

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Speaker 2: I'm not that I don't like it, but my my

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Speaker 2: that there aren't good ones after nine, but you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: Jason, how are you doing? Where are you coming to

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Speaker 1: us from?

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Speaker 4: I am coming to you from an unnamed city in

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Speaker 4: Tennessee somebody who has to try to find me. You've

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Speaker 4: is extremely easy to find out if you wanted to.

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Speaker 4: But if you're coming after me, you will have to

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Speaker 2: I mean, you did give us a hint earlier by

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was actually looking for Google Maps coordinates, but

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Speaker 1: definitely we're not going to get that.

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Speaker 2: Google Jack kept consuming in on Google Maps, like, damn,

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Speaker 2: which one of them? Could you think? Which one? Do

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Speaker 2: you think? It? So many gas stations amazing.

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Speaker 1: Well, tell us a little bit. What was the new

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Speaker 1: book about. I'm hearing it maybe about a black box

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Speaker 1: of doom.

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Speaker 4: There is a guy who drives for a lift, and

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Speaker 4: sitting on a big black box, one big enough that

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Speaker 4: a person could fit inside of it. In theory, she says,

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Speaker 4: I will offer you two hundred thousand dollars in cash

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Speaker 4: the country. Wow, she says Derek. Conditions one, you cannot

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Speaker 4: look in the box. You cannot ask me what's in

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Speaker 4: the box. You cannot ask me anything about myself. You

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Speaker 4: cannot tell anyone you're doing this. You must leave behind

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Speaker 4: will pay with cash, we will navigate with a map.

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Speaker 4: And also you have to leave right now because I'm

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Speaker 4: in a hurry. That is to set up and then

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Speaker 1: Three you have read, see that seems like just a

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Speaker 1: fairly straightforward ask to me. See, I see nothing foreboding

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Speaker 2: And it's like the nature of most jobs on some

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Speaker 2: level where they're like, look, don't ask what you're doing here?

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Speaker 2: Who is enriching? Just come on, just here's money, here's

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Speaker 2: health insurance.

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Speaker 4: I created a little video on TikTok to promote this,

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Speaker 4: basically offering this, like would you do this? Because it's

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Speaker 4: clearly shady, Like clearly this is not, you know, a

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Speaker 4: weird going on here? Would you do it? And obviously

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Speaker 4: there was a thousand comments of people saying I would

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Speaker 4: do it for two hundred dollars? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Why you got two hundred on you? Man? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so what the box is full of heroin or

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Speaker 4: severed heads? I don't care two hundred thousand dollars. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'll pick you up right now. Man, where are you?

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Speaker 4: What's the worst case that could happen? I could I

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Speaker 4: could die? Well that I don't have to pay my

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, that's right.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jason, we're going to get to know you

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Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going

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Speaker 1: to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're

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Speaker 1: talking about today. Yesterday the House passed a bill to

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Speaker 1: ban or force the sale of TikTok. Still has to

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Speaker 1: it feels pretty dramatic, feels I don't know. I guess.

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Speaker 1: I guess We've known this was in the works for

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong about it, but feels like a new

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. We might talk about rats getting

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Speaker 1: high thanks to New Orleans cops, all of that, plenty more.

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Speaker 1: But first, Jason Pargen, we do like to ask our guests,

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Speaker 1: what is something from your search history that is revealing

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Speaker 4: Kate Middleton, fake photo explained.

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Speaker 1: And I like the little side that came first.

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Speaker 4: Well, this explains who I am. Because a lot of

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Speaker 4: viral stories like this where something where a huge chunk

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Speaker 4: of the internet social media is obsessed with it. I'm

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Speaker 4: always a little bit behind the curve. I'm never right

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Speaker 4: each step, I'm always the guy who has to finally

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Speaker 2: Go to Google.

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Speaker 4: Let's say, okay, who is this person? And the answer

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Speaker 4: surprisingly difficult to figure out because you instantly plunges into

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Speaker 4: a whole history of British tabloid stuff about the royal

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you have covered the story, but I was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's mostly questions at this point. It's it is intriguing.

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Speaker 2: Creating like state propaganda. You'd be like, come on, man, like,

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Speaker 2: let's let's fucking dial in the fucking photoshop here. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But the question that I wanted to know is what

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Speaker 4: asserting that she's dead, and that they're trying to cover

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Speaker 4: trying to figure out what.

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Speaker 2: What they think what is the cover up?

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Speaker 4: Did she in reality has what become disfigured somehow, or

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Speaker 4: that she looks just really bad or.

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Speaker 1: She had the joker face thing from the original Tim

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Speaker 1: Burton's Batman where faces all white now and they haven't

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Speaker 1: been they haven't nailed the makeup down quite yet, and.

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Speaker 4: So fell into a that of chemicals.

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Speaker 1: That of green bubbling chemicals. Yeah, would be my best walk. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess England is lousy with those things. Just factories

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's I think that's what's weird is because

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Speaker 2: want to do that. I'm still just like what what

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Speaker 2: what what? What are you alleging? Though? I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but it's just again with all the sloppy shit that's

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, I don't know. Again, it could be totally inoculous, innocuous,

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Speaker 2: we got to deal with Jason.

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Speaker 1: What's something you think is underrated.

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Speaker 4: Third party presidential candidates this year? Not that they're going

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Speaker 4: to win that Robert Kennedy Junior, not that he's gonna

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Speaker 4: he's not going to be president, but you think they

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Speaker 1: You're saying, But for.

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Speaker 4: Example, I hit Twitter yesterday that one of his short

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Speaker 2: That is not Aaron.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, this would not be unprecedented, Like a lot

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Speaker 1: Oh RFK junior junior. Oh shit, that changes. It was

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Speaker 1: Riz as the kids call it. Yeah, it's funny. And

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Speaker 1: He's He's like, I mean, yeah, I should, I should

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and and then his O line is all secret service.

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Speaker 2: It could be all very interesting, very interesting.

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Speaker 1: They he would have to be forced to recuse himself

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Speaker 1: People who are really successful in one place just gained

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Speaker 2: Who could throw a tighter spiral?

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Speaker 5: God, Although I feel like we're fucking I feel like

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Speaker 5: be Like just so you guys know, should like shout

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Speaker 2: You don't trust this America.

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Speaker 1: I mean I have like talked about doing like push

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Speaker 4: Any kind of presidential poll that occurs in March. We

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Speaker 1: That's all just toise.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's going to be noise until the fall,

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Speaker 4: In the primaries, he has drastically underperformed his polls in

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Speaker 4: a pretty decent idea. But Trump draws so many non

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Speaker 4: typical voters and people who otherwise they only vote when

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Speaker 4: Trump's involved, that it is extremely hard to tell what's

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Speaker 4: going on, and we're simply not going to know.

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Speaker 1: You were pointing out something on TikTok. Also, that's interesting

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Speaker 1: that I hadn't fully appreciated or like kind of run

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Speaker 1: the tape forward through this scenario. But if Trump is

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Speaker 1: like in the midst of a trial at that point,

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Speaker 1: like he's you know, and it's looking like he's going

446
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Speaker 1: to go to jail, the election becomes his voters voting

447
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Speaker 1: to like free him, basically.

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Speaker 4: And like Trump Trump is fundraising on that idea. He

449
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Speaker 4: is fundraising if I lose, I will have to go

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Speaker 4: to jail. You are coming to So I try to

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Speaker 4: explain to people, like, imagine if when Trump had taken office,

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Speaker 4: because again, his supporters see these as all fake charges,

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Speaker 4: right they're not, but that's how they see. Imagine if

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Speaker 4: when Trump took office, he immediately like launched a phony

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Speaker 4: investigation into Barack Obama. And now it's like, if Trump

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Speaker 4: gets an office, He's going to put Barack Obama in jail.

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Speaker 4: And that's what was at stake, Like this guy, you

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Speaker 4: have good feelings about the idea of him having to

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Speaker 4: go to prison if the evil other team like the

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Speaker 4: idea of what that would do for turnout or whatever.

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Speaker 4: And this is the thing about that Supreme Court ruling

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Speaker 4: that delayed the case, because again I know it was

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Speaker 4: Trump's side that wants to delay this because you know,

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Speaker 4: obviously the people doing the prosecution say, the voters kind

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Speaker 4: of need to know before they vote whether or not

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Speaker 4: Trump has been guilty of something and if he's about

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Speaker 4: to go to jail. And Trump's team is trying to

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Speaker 4: push the results until after the election because if he

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Speaker 4: becomes president, he can simply dismiss the prosecutors and replace

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Speaker 4: him with somebody who agrees to drop the charges, so

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Speaker 4: he can make the charges go away if he takes office.

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Speaker 4: So the Supreme Court successfully pushed probably the finished date

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Speaker 4: of these trials past election day. But I don't know

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Speaker 4: that they did him a favor because the current schedule

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Speaker 4: now probably has the trials going on during election day,

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Speaker 4: like they will be giving testimony and evidence about Trump

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Speaker 4: trying to overthrow the twenty twenty election, and then they're

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Speaker 4: gonna pause so that we can go vote whether or

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Speaker 4: not he should be president, and then the trial will

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Speaker 4: resume after election day. That is a truly crazy situation.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know. I would have to think it

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Speaker 4: would hurt him because that's all of the news will

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Speaker 4: be negative and all this negative testimony and people testify

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Speaker 4: it against him. But yeah, then we also people will

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Speaker 4: be super motivated.

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Speaker 2: Right, and we don't know if the DOJ will stick

487
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Speaker 2: to their guns on there. We're not gonna do anything

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Speaker 2: that could be seen as political sixty days out from

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Speaker 2: an election, even though they did that with Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 2: That's a thing that could potentially be like, well, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. We'll see how they decide to enforce that

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Speaker 2: policy or not. But i'd imagine I mean, given what's

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Speaker 2: at stake, they maybe internally they'll be pressured to be like, no,

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Speaker 2: we have to we have to do this. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's hard to tell.

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Speaker 1: Maybe.

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Speaker 4: I mean. The whole thing is, this has never happened before.

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Speaker 4: Nothing remotely like this has ever happened for There's no

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Speaker 4: precedent or procedure or protocol to fall back on. This

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Speaker 4: has never come up. So people asked the question like, well,

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Speaker 4: if he goes to prison, can he still be president?

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Speaker 4: But as far as we know, it's never come up before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would just be funny, like a counter

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Speaker 2: campaign where like Barack Obama goes out there he's like, hey, man,

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Speaker 2: if Trump wins, he's gonna put me in jail. Vote Biden,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like just be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we everybody can play this game.

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Speaker 1: Bright.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: To me, clear, that is Trump's whole deal. This whole

511
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Speaker 4: deal is, this is the revenge presidency. This is where

512
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Speaker 4: I will get retribution on everyone who tried to to

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Speaker 4: harm you when I was an officer in the four

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Speaker 4: years sent So yeah, that's not that's not too far off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me be the vessel for your revenge. Because yeah,

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Speaker 2: even at all his rallies, he's like, you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm being prosecuted for you, for all of you. That's

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Speaker 2: that's what I'm doing this for. And yeah, he's really

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Speaker 2: anchoring that into the sort of I am the sacrificial lamb. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I realized he was underperforming in the primary. That's

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Speaker 1: Is it just this primary or has he traditionally.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all the prime because he's not running unopposed, like

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Speaker 4: he has crushed Nikki Haley, and he has crushed but

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Speaker 4: each time the margin is like ten points lower than what.

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Speaker 1: The polls showed.

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Speaker 4: So if you had a poll that showed that Nikki

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Speaker 4: Haley or Desantras or whoever was in the race against

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Speaker 4: him before they all dropped out, where they were only

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Speaker 4: taking twenty percent of the vote, in the final toll,

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Speaker 4: they were taking thirty two percent, So either a lot

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Speaker 4: of Trump voters were staying home or again, pulling keeps

532
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Speaker 4: getting more difficult over time. Pulling methods keep having to

533
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Speaker 4: evolve because so many people don't answer the phone. It's

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Speaker 4: it's a whole deal. That's actually a really fascinating science.

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Speaker 4: And it's not that the polls are meaningless. They still

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Speaker 4: give you an indication of what's of what's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: It's just that when the elections are all less close,

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Speaker 4: and all of our presidential elections are razor close, pulling

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Speaker 4: at this point is not accurate enough now to tell

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Speaker 4: you one way or the other. It all comes down

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Speaker 4: to turnout. And as we mentioned, like history changed in

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, that the direction of the United States, the

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Speaker 4: makeup of Supreme Court pivoted radically on like fifty thousand

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Speaker 4: votes in a couple of states, Like it was enough

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Speaker 4: people to fit in a small NFL stadium, Like that's

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Speaker 4: how many people, you know, as we had we probably

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Speaker 4: mentioned a previous podcast, if you had had bad weather

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Speaker 4: in one major city, it would have suppressed turnout by

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Speaker 4: you know, a few thousand votes that could have pivoted

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Speaker 4: the election. Like that's how that's how close history becomes.

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Speaker 4: And as you mentioned, in the future, we never acknowledge that.

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Speaker 4: It's just like, well, you know, there's a sea change

553
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Speaker 4: and all this this grassroots support of Trump and the

554
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Speaker 4: country pivoted. It's like, no, if you flipped, if you

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Speaker 4: re ran that election twenty times. I don't know, maybe

556
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Speaker 4: thirteen times Hillary wins and Trump wins seven times. That

557
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 4: it just this is the way it fell. But it

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Speaker 4: was a true coin toss and it will probably be yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well that's terrifying. Let's take a quick break

560
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Speaker 1: and we'll come back and talk about the House bill

561
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Speaker 1: to force the sale of TikTok and work back. We're back,

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I guess you know, Jason, as we've

563
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Speaker 1: talked about on past appearances on this show, you kind

564
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Speaker 1: of became I wouldn't say accidentally famous, but like unexpectedly

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Speaker 1: like TikTok famous, And so I just want to like say,

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Speaker 1: up top, do you feel personally attacked by this bill?

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Speaker 1: Like do you think they're trying to keep a lid

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Speaker 1: on some of your more viral TikTok's, like the one

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Speaker 1: with the lizard wearing the hat er. There's that one.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't from you originally, but you recently shared on

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Speaker 1: Twitter where a guy does a high kick, his friend

572
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Speaker 1: catches his leg up there, and then his other friend

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Speaker 1: comes up to him with a boxing glove and like

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Speaker 1: punches him in the butt over and over again. But

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Speaker 1: then it becomes clear that the butt punches are part

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Speaker 1: of the workout, and there and then he like they're

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Speaker 1: like one, two, three, four, like ten butt punches. And

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Speaker 1: then he drops his leg and like slaps his own

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Speaker 1: butt like, ah, I'm the best at taking a butt punch.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, it was not ten butt punches. He punches

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Speaker 4: them in the butt like fifty five times. It goes

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Speaker 4: on for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the whole point of video they want

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Speaker 1: to keep a lid on.

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Speaker 4: That there's zero context for. That's the joy of TikTok.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you've got to clip and because they're speaking in

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Speaker 4: out of the language, and it's who is this guy?

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Speaker 2: What is he doing?

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Speaker 4: Why are they doing this? You don't know, you don't

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Speaker 4: want to know. It's just a few seconds of a

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Speaker 4: guy getting punched in the butt for a very long time.

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Speaker 4: Then he screams at the camera and cuts and now's

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Speaker 4: time for the next video. But yeah, this would have

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Speaker 4: a huge impact on my life. I'm not unbiased here.

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Speaker 4: I have four one hundred and twenty five thousand followers

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Speaker 4: on tech tik. There you go, and I that is

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Speaker 4: this has revitalized my author career. I sell a lot

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Speaker 4: of books on tech talk. A whole generation of kids

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Speaker 4: who would not have cared about me and have no

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Speaker 4: memory of the heyday of Cracked or any of that,

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Speaker 4: are finding out about my books on there. So this

602
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Speaker 4: is something that is personal to me that it's also

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Speaker 4: there's one hundred and seventy million TikTok users in the

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Speaker 4: United States. Yeah, this is not a trivial It's not

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Speaker 4: a niche thing they're trying to ban. This's not a

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Speaker 4: niche product. This is like if they tried to ban

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Starbucks, you know from you say, I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: like the size of the customer base, what other business

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Speaker 4: could you even compare to if they if they tried

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Speaker 4: to ban Toyota cars from being sold. Are there one

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Speaker 4: hundred and seventy million Toyota cars in the United States? Like,

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Speaker 4: it's hard to think of a comparison about the scale

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Speaker 4: of what they're of what they're trying.

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Speaker 1: To do here, right, And Toyotas would have to be

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Speaker 1: like the most popular car and like qualitatively different than

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Speaker 1: every other car, like in a way that people that

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Speaker 1: is like really popular with young people. It Yeah, it.

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Speaker 2: Feels like everyone who uses Disney plus basically yeah, brown,

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Speaker 2: but even then, that's that's yeah, it's still.

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Speaker 4: Does Disney Plus even have one hundred and seventy million subscribers.

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Speaker 2: It's maybe good at their peak, at their peak one

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty four million, Yeah, that's worldwea, that's worldwide.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, h it's like hard to even fathom like

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Speaker 2: what that really looks like.

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Speaker 4: But for example, five million of those accounts are businesses.

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Speaker 4: I mean, every every business has a TikTok you have

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Speaker 4: to buy. You know, every every restaurant in bakery and

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Speaker 4: law firm and everything, they're all on TikTok. So it's

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Speaker 4: not just it's not just a bunch of the way

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Speaker 4: they talk about the headlines. They'll kind of talk like, well,

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Speaker 4: it's after a bunch of kids use you know, a

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Speaker 4: bunch of bunch of thirteen year olds will be mad.

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Speaker 4: It's like, you're not understanding how many people advertise on

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Speaker 4: TikTok or use it to promote their work, or.

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Speaker 2: If you're on there, you'll see many people who are

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Speaker 2: above voting age that are using TikTok.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean I'm extremely old. I'm one of the

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Speaker 4: oldest people on the planet. So but this overwhelmingly past

639
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Speaker 4: the House and people don't know. So this now has

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Speaker 4: to go to the Senate. The Senate doesn't seem as

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Speaker 4: excited about taking up but Joe Biden made the step

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Speaker 4: of saying, if it comes to my desk, I will

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Speaker 4: approve it, that they will not be a view to

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Speaker 4: I will sign a bill to band TikTok. And the

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Speaker 4: terms of the bill they're talking about right now would

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Speaker 4: basically give the parent company, that is a Chinese company,

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Speaker 4: six months to sell TikTok or to spin off the

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Speaker 4: American arm of it to some American company, and you

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Speaker 4: have to have terms where they because the entire issue

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Speaker 4: is about the day that TikTok collects being available to

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Speaker 4: the Chinese government. Because the relationship between the Chinese government

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Speaker 4: and the corporations in China is different from the way

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Speaker 4: it works in the United States. The United States is

654
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Speaker 4: corrupt in a different way. Right, So it's my understanding

655
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Speaker 4: that logistically that would be extremely a huge ask, Like

656
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Speaker 4: I don't the Chinese government basically said this is not

657
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Speaker 4: going to happen. We're not sure what we will just

658
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Speaker 4: let you you ban it, And I think trying to

659
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Speaker 4: make it work from a technical aspect. I think is

660
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Speaker 4: difficult because again they're they're talking about basically spinning off

661
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Speaker 4: just the American segment of the app and then separating

662
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Speaker 4: it from the way it operates in the rest of

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Speaker 4: the world. I'm sure it could be done if they

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Speaker 4: want it to be, but I think from China's point

665
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Speaker 4: of view, they don't like the precedent this would set.

666
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Speaker 4: I don't know, it's it's really up in the air.

667
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Speaker 4: But it's also really interesting and I can't think of

668
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Speaker 4: another thing for my entire lifetime where they've been trying

669
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Speaker 4: to ban something at a federal level that would affect

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Speaker 4: this many people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also be like a rights issue to it

672
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: the same time of like the digital rights or people's

673
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: ability to communicate or express themselves on an app.

674
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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, it feels like there's a bunch of

675
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Speaker 1: ingredients at work here that are like making this sort

676
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Speaker 1: of unprecedented thing possible. It feels like there's something that's

677
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Speaker 1: as old as media and as old as like the

678
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Speaker 1: you know, like investigations into comic books, and like the

679
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Speaker 1: morality of young people are like, you know, older people

680
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Speaker 1: being outraged about rock and roll music, And I think

681
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Speaker 1: there is you know, we are in this version of

682
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Speaker 1: US power and wealth where a lot of the people

683
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Speaker 1: who have power and you know, the ability to do

684
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Speaker 1: things like this are old and they don't understand, you know,

685
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Speaker 1: that they are out of step with the overwhelming kind

686
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: of ideals that are prevailing on TikTok, and they're freaked

687
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Speaker 1: out about that. I think there's also the fact that

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Speaker 1: this would be a massive windfall for existing US companies

689
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Speaker 1: like fit you know, social media companies like Facebook is

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Speaker 1: going to want this to happen, like this is a

691
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Speaker 1: major competitor that is harming them. And you know, we

692
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Speaker 1: are at a point in the history of the US

693
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Speaker 1: government where powerful companies are able to capture regulators, they're

694
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Speaker 1: able to lobby, they're able to you know, they have

695
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: as much power as they've ever had. So like those

696
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: feel like major issues that are at work here that

697
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: are probably making this more successful than Yeah, like you

698
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: said anything like that. There was a lot of fear

699
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: of like Japan in the like late eighties, early nineties,

700
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Speaker 1: like they never like weren't like like we banned Sony.

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Speaker 1: You know, that wasn't even a thing that like came

702
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Speaker 1: up as far as I remember, But I right, and

703
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: I was paying a lot of attention. I was nine

704
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: years old, so I was on top of the business

705
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Speaker 1: news site. I was waking up every morning and opening

706
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Speaker 1: the Wall Street charm. No, but it just feels like

707
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Speaker 1: this is I don't know, yeah, well something now.

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Speaker 2: There's so there's so many different versions. Like so pre

709
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: October seventh, this was all about privacy and national security

710
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: for Americans. And but then if that was an actual concern,

711
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: why not crack down on all the other social media

712
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: platforms if you're talking about user data and shit like that.

713
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: But again, it's because it's American, right, and and and

714
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: then again like to your point, it's like TikTok is

715
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Speaker 2: becoming a threat to the dominance of like American tech companies.

716
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: Like like, so it shouldn't surprise me that Facebook was

717
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: heading up a huge anti TikTok campaign as they were

718
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: being like, yeah, maybe reels can be like TikTok, maybe

719
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: because that's who we're competing with. And the Internet has

720
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Speaker 2: always been dominated by like American companies, so this just

721
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: sort of helps maintain like that hegemony. And but also

722
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Speaker 2: like when you think about also China too, like they

723
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 2: keep certain Western companies out, so they can help their

724
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Speaker 2: own companies get a foothold and then become globally competitive.

725
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Speaker 2: There's like a way of being like, well, hold on,

726
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: we need to protect our own interests, so I think.

727
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Speaker 2: And then the pro Palestinian part of it, you know,

728
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: I think has now become sort of like the focus

729
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: where they're like, man, it's got to be TikTok. That's

730
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Speaker 2: the only way. Young people are somehow saying that they

731
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Speaker 2: have like these sort of pro Palestinian sentiments. But if

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Speaker 2: you look at the balance of like popularity between pro

733
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Speaker 2: Palestinian or pro Israeli content on other social media platforms,

734
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Speaker 2: it's the same everywhere. There's just more the sentiment is

735
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Speaker 2: more leans, more pro Palestinian than pro israel.

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Speaker 1: So this is the place where they can like step

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Speaker 1: in because it's not an American.

738
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Speaker 2: Company exactly, and it's not an effective way of curbing

739
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: that support. And like when you also look at again

740
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: when they say like, oh, my goods being run by

741
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: the CCP and they're controlling everything. Well, also when you

742
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Speaker 2: look at what the Biden administration was initially demanding from TikTok,

743
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: they're basically saying like, okay, well how about this you

744
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: need to give the US government basically total complete control

745
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: over everything on the app from the moderation policies to

746
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Speaker 2: even having the power to temporarily shut the tamp the

747
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Speaker 2: platform down. So it's like, but those are the that's

748
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: that's exactly what you were saying this other government was doing.

749
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Speaker 2: So is it just merely that you want to be

750
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 2: able to control this very specific, very popular platform because also,

751
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: like this move is also so unpopular. Couldn't come at

752
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Speaker 2: a worse time for Biden, Yeah, to try and make

753
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Speaker 2: himself even less appealing to young voters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is another important detail is that this is

755
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Speaker 1: so unpopular that even though this was originally like a

756
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Speaker 1: very i think Republican point like idea or at least

757
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: very appealing to the like anti China hawks and the

758
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: Republican Party, their presidential candidate Trump has like reversed his

759
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: position and been like, yeah, no, this is I like

760
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: to I'm no longer for this, I like TikTok. Because

761
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Speaker 1: he recognizes how unpopular it is, he.

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Speaker 4: Won't signed an executive order banning TikTok. Like this was

763
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Speaker 4: one of the last things he did and it got

764
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: it wound up not going anywhere, but this was. Yeah,

765
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Speaker 4: this is a huge reverse reverse course of course for him.

766
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Speaker 4: And the thing is, I think the listeners they they're

767
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: sitting there thinking, well, don't I remember Mark Zuckerberg being

768
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Speaker 4: pulled in front of Congress and a bunch of eighty

769
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Speaker 4: six year old men like Mester Zuckerberg? Can can Facebook

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Speaker 4: see me when I'm in my car?

771
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Speaker 1: Is your can my phone listen?

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Speaker 7: To?

773
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 2: Back off?

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Speaker 1: There?

775
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 4: Sorry?

776
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: Did I say that out loud? My bad?

777
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Speaker 4: Like, they revealed that they were incapable of regulating this

778
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 4: industry because they have zero concept of what the algorithms

779
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 4: do or what the actual issues are. It's like, well,

780
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 4: couldn't they interfere with our election? It's like, well, some

781
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 4: of this is just people being stupid and spreading stuff around.

782
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 4: You know, if like a bad rumor gets around, or

783
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Speaker 4: a badly photoshopped AI image of whatever, Joe Biden doing

784
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Speaker 4: something horrific and it makes the rounds. You know what

785
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: Facebook's possession has always been if people are dumb enough

786
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Speaker 4: to instantly share that over and over and over again

787
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Speaker 4: and it explodes. Trying to stop people from sharing the

788
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Speaker 4: dumbness is not a simple technical challenge. It is there's

789
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Speaker 4: a point where you're actually upset about the flaws in

790
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Speaker 4: the human spirit and the fact that a lot of

791
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Speaker 4: Facebook users are sixty two years old and don't have

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Speaker 4: super high literacy of what AI image looks like or

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Speaker 4: what a photoshop image looks like. And when they just

794
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Speaker 4: get this little meme that it's here, it's like, well,

795
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Speaker 4: did you know that under President Biden that due to immigration,

796
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Speaker 4: egg prices have gone up three hundred and forty seven

797
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Speaker 4: percent because of immigration. There's no source or anything, you're

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Speaker 4: instantly going to share it. And so what they're saying

799
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 4: is like, well, look, you can blame the algorithms, but

800
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Speaker 4: the algorithm is just detecting what people are sharing and

801
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: what they want to look at. If you want us

802
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 4: to put our thumb on the scale to block some stuff,

803
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 4: then you get what happened to us back at Cracked,

804
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 4: where they're like, oh, yeah, one thing that we're not

805
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 4: going to allow anymore is what you're doing right right,

806
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 4: like your comedy articles, where we're just we're just not

807
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Speaker 4: going to We're not going to show that to anyone anymore.

808
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 4: That's one thing we've just eliminated. I was not happy

809
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 4: with that. I would have preferred they let our readers

810
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Speaker 4: decide if they want to see our stuff. But they

811
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Speaker 4: were like, no, we're we're pivoting away from that too.

812
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Speaker 4: And then you look at who dominated traffic after that.

813
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 4: It was freaking Ben Shapiro and a bunch of these

814
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Speaker 4: other right wingers who just had these very viral clips

815
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 4: that were great at drumming up outrage. So's you can

816
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 4: make the exact same criticisms of TikTok. It's like, well, yeah,

817
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: but China's allowing all sorts of misinformation and stuff on there,

818
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: and I use it every day, I have to because

819
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 4: I'm on there. It's not any worse or dumber the

820
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 4: same shit. Yeah, it's definitely not worse than Twitter. Under Muscarra, Twitter,

821
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 4: you can pay eight dollars a month to have the

822
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: nastiest conservative you know, conspiracy stuff rise to the very

823
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 4: top reply of every single post. Like, if you read

824
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 4: a reply to a post about a news story or whatever,

825
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 4: you have to scroll past all of these blue checks

826
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Speaker 4: that are all right wing conspiracy weirdos to find the

827
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Speaker 4: actual human beings interacting with the post. There's nothing that

828
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Speaker 4: TikTok does that's as weird and toxic as that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's all bad to be honest, Like,

830
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything worse about TikTok, but I

831
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Speaker 1: don't think there's anything that is going to be fixed

832
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: by this plan, which is giving TikTok to the tech

833
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Speaker 1: industry that has already demonstrated themselves to being capable of

834
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Speaker 1: the power and scale that they've already been operating under.

835
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Speaker 1: You know, they can't do any of it responsibly. Nobody can.

836
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Speaker 4: And well if they ban it, the traffic goes to

837
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Speaker 4: two companies. It goes to Google, where YouTube shorts is

838
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 4: just TikTok's just literally they're just trying to imitate. And

839
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Speaker 4: on Instagram reels Instagram and Facebook metas reels again it's

840
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 4: just TikTok. It's they both have the infinite scroll video.

841
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 4: So there's two. There's two basically imitators that all of

842
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 4: the traffic is going to flow to. And take your

843
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 4: pick your poison.

844
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Speaker 2: Google or Meta.

845
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Speaker 4: Right, we two companies have a dulopoly on all Internet

846
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 4: traffic and Internet advertising that has basically ruined the public.

847
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 4: The publishing industry and every news outlet has been utterly

848
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Speaker 4: crushed by the fact that these two companies have basically

849
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Speaker 4: owned the flow of information. So you're saying going from

850
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Speaker 4: a three headed monster to two, that that's suddenly going

851
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Speaker 4: to fix the problem. I don't buy it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I think there's also the other I

853
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: think the other part of people are talking about with

854
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Speaker 2: Trump coming out against it, is like he just doesn't

855
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: want Mark Zuckerberg to own TikTok either. So if this

856
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: thing forces a sale, then potentially Zuckerberg becomes a suitor,

857
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Speaker 2: and then that's sort of Trump's calculus like, well, I

858
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: don't want Zuckberg doing that either, right, So yeah, there's

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00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: a lot I mean the idea though too of like

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Speaker 2: when you see the companies that are like saying like, no,

861
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: yeah we should we should actually maybe ban TikTok, those

862
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: are the precise the ones that stand to benefit. So

863
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Speaker 2: there's like there's a obviously like a tech capitalism argument here,

864
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Speaker 2: and also like the disconnect between elites and thinking that

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Speaker 2: young people or people in general who cannot abide by

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Speaker 2: watching like innocent people be slaughtered, that it must be

867
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Speaker 2: some kind of digital spell binding that's happening on TikTok

868
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 2: rather than you know, the humanity of it. But hey,

869
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: that's that's what they're that's what they're arguing over.

870
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, I mean, like a writer JM McNab was like,

871
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: I have a theory that it's the specific videos where

872
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: like soldiers are just posting tiktoks being like this shit

873
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: sucks man, like being in the military absolutely is a

874
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: shitty lifestyle, and like I but I don't like, it's

875
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: just another way in which social media makes information and

876
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: opinions available that are inconvenient to people with tons of

877
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: institutional power. And I do think that that is broadly

878
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: a thing we're seeing over and over again. Is like

879
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, we've been talking about it a lot recently

880
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: with regards to like the rot economy, but just this

881
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: disconnect between the people who are investing in things and

882
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: controlling the market and then everyone else's day to day realities.

883
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, and also just not even not even actually

884
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: giving any thought to the fact that many venture capital

885
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: like a capitalist, they're invested in Chinese tech companies and

886
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: even compet Chinese competitors to like AI like American AI companies.

887
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: So like how it's the inconsistency that sort of I

888
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: think makes it very easy to understand, like what what

889
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: the main goals are of a TikTok ban and there's

890
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: nothing to do with privacy and has nothing to do

891
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: with some of these other points that they make up.

892
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: It's more just protecting these sort of like the dominance

893
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: of these American tech companies. And yeah, maybe and now

894
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: that October seventh happen, now we also maybe have this

895
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: thing where like with with this one trick, the government

896
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 2: was able to invert the polling on how people feel

897
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: about Gaza.

898
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: Right right, they're hoping, hoping for one easy trick that

899
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: doctors don't want you to know about. Yeah, all right,

900
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.

901
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: And we're back, And just a headline that captured our attention,

902
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: says cop Boss says. Marauding rats are getting high on

903
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: marijuana at New Orleans Police headquarters.

904
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: Am I supposed to read that as like a mobster

905
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: and be like informants or smoking weed at the at

906
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: the fucking at HQ, or we're talking rodent rats?

907
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, a bunch of canaries getting high, you know,

908
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of songbirds. Yeah, I love anytime you know

909
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: that were marauding rats. But yeah, yeah, these these rats

910
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: in particular are marauding.

911
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 2: I mean yeah. I mean there's a lot of rats

912
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: in New Orleans. You know, that's that anyone who's been there,

913
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 2: you see rats around. It's kind of a normal part

914
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: of it.

915
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but apparently the New Orleans Police Department headquarters is

916
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: a real dump plagued by possums. Also, don't forget about

917
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: the possums, because that's that's the next level. Like, I

918
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: feel like many police headquarters probably have a rat problem.

919
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: Possums is kind of next level shit. So possums, mold

920
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 1: and rats, and the rats in particular have been getting

921
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: into the evidence room and eating our marijuana. Our Yeah,

922
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: that's our marijuana, man and our quote all high, according

923
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: to police superintendent and Kirkpatrick. I love that she calls

924
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: it our marijuana and that they're all high.

925
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: Just they're all high.

926
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys are all high smoking our marijuana. I mean

927
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: the marijuana that we seized.

928
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

929
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 4: This is such a great example of how information in

930
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 4: news moves through the ecosystem because the context was they

931
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 4: were having a committee meeting and the police a pretendant

932
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 4: was complaining about how they're the police department that they're

933
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 4: building is like falling apart. Dump the elevators. Yeah, elevators

934
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 4: don't work, bathrooms that don't work, not been working for

935
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 4: like she said, fifteen years, and they're there's overrun with

936
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 4: rats and possums and mold. And then somewhere in all

937
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 4: of that mentions or jokes or says the rats are

938
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 4: actually eating the marijuana and the evidence room they're all high.

939
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 4: And I don't know if this was a laughline, if

940
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 4: there's just something she threw in there. Then now this

941
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 4: becomes the headline because she's trying to bring wires like

942
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 4: like presumab is asking for money to fix up the

943
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 4: building or to get a new one. And we pull

944
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 4: out that little tidbit tidbit, and this is you know,

945
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 4: we've we've been in this industry for like a quarter

946
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: of a century. We know how this works. You're scanning

947
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 4: through from the from the odd ball little bit of

948
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 4: information and then this is the thing that goes viral,

949
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 4: is the rats are getting high off the off the marijuana,

950
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 4: and somewhere out there police superintendent and Kirkpatrick is hoping

951
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 4: that the virality of that headline will help them get

952
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 4: their funding or whatever.

953
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: It's like embarrassing enough to the powers that control Yeah,

954
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: and it won't.

955
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: We will see this.

956
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 4: We will we will chuckle to ourselves, and we will

957
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 4: immediately forget about it for the rest of our lives.

958
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: It's you.

959
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 4: You just brought a smile to our faces during our

960
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 4: morning commute, and then we will forget about it violent time.

961
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the larfs. Yeah, a lot of it too,

962
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: is She's like, this isn't a this isn't a dignified

963
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: way to treat people that are working for the department,

964
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 2: And like, we can't even attract people, We can't even

965
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: attract people from out of state to brutalize our local

966
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: citizens because of the where the headquarters is in such

967
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: a state of disarray. Please do something, do something. But

968
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: it's true, Like I mean, I think that that's the thing.

969
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: It's like, look, man, no one gives a fuck if

970
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: their headquarters are all fucked up. Just just run with

971
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: the fucking stoner rat thing and people actually pay attention.

972
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: It won't bring about any funding changes. It will actually

973
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: be optioned for an adult swim short cartoon. People.

974
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 2: It's gonna bed rats at baited rats at the station.

975
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 2: But let me see if I can, let's shine and

976
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: hear how it actually came out during the hearing, just

977
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 2: so we get some idea of how this shocking news

978
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: was delivered to the city council.

979
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 7: Is the evidence room is losing evidence to rats, major

980
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 7: rodents on the floor, the cockroaches, the rats eating our marijuana.

981
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 8: They're all high. In the end, financially, it does not

982
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 8: make sense for y'all to put any more money into this.

983
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: It's not okay.

984
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's not okay for your people to be

985
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 8: treated that way and called valued.

986
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: M Yeah, it sounded very like sounded like she was

987
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: frustrated with high rats. I mean they're all high. Yeah,

988
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: it didn't feel like it was like and they're in marijuana.

989
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: They're all high, y'all, Like it wasn't didn't feel like

990
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 2: that kind of things like that, they're all high.

991
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: Its sounded like a thing that she's been bringing up

992
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: for weeks, like yeah, you know, no.

993
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: They're all the high rats. The droppings everywhere on the desks,

994
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: that's also a problem. Hold on, hold on, when they're high,

995
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: are they like cool? Like are they yeah?

996
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: Are they paranoid like one of those experiments where they

997
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: gave spider is LSD and they made like really cool

998
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: looking webs or is it like the Ones really gave

999
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: spiders cocaine and the webs looked all fucked up. What

1000
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: does the rating look like when they're all high? Is

1001
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: it like more viby?

1002
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: We don't know.

1003
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 4: It kind of reminds me of that one quote from

1004
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 4: Alex Jones that people quote to prove that he's crazy,

1005
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 4: and we see like they're the chemicals are turning the

1006
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 4: frogs gay, right right, But the actual headline was that

1007
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 4: stuff that we're flushing into the water system, it messes

1008
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 4: with frogs and screws up their ability to breathe. It's

1009
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 4: like an environmental issue because we do flush a lot

1010
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: of drugs and chemicals and stuff into the sewers and

1011
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 4: the treatment plants don't necessarily do a great job of

1012
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 4: filtering it out. That makes its way to the waterways,

1013
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 4: and then like it causes frogs to whatever, change sex

1014
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 4: or whatever. But the issue is that they don't. They're

1015
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 4: not breathing, so it threatens their population. But that's like

1016
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 4: a boring story. Whereas crazy man shouts there's a conspiracy

1017
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 4: to turn the frogs gay, it's like a perfect little

1018
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 4: little It's like, well, no, it's weird because the thing

1019
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: he was talking about is a problem, but it's not

1020
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 4: a problem in the way he thinks it is, right

1021
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 4: because he's just a carnival barker and he doesn't he

1022
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 4: doesn't want more regulations over the the you know, water treatment.

1023
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: Plants, fucking up the morality of our frogs. When I

1024
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: was young, I remember bull frogs were you know, masculine.

1025
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: Now they're all turning gay because they should have seen

1026
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: their arms, man, fucking proper ripped frogs.

1027
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 2: Now they're all nowtlely And yeah, I mean, uh yeah,

1028
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: sorry to that police department for for all the faded rats.

1029
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, again, this is more interesting honestly, like a

1030
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: dry city council meaner like hey help us, like because

1031
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 2: they're like, give help, spend the money in this other place,

1032
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: not just keeping the rat house alive.

1033
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the news cycle at this point, like the we

1034
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: talked about this with the State of the Union last

1035
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: week and Biden had a strong performance, but the only

1036
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: thing anybody was talking about was the really weird performance

1037
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: from Katie Britt afterwards. It's just it's like trying to

1038
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: get the attention of just a bunch of idiots, and

1039
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: where we are idiots as well.

1040
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: I mean, but there's also a part. It's like, don't

1041
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 2: you can't go in there and allege the rats are

1042
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: high without like a.

1043
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: Little think we're going to jump on, like how do

1044
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: you know?

1045
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: Like sure they're eating the weed and logically or like yeah,

1046
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: they're probably something altered, in an altered state from consuming

1047
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: cannabis like that, but like are they just are they

1048
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: fixed in one place? Are there? I mean aren't aren't

1049
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: rat eyes already bloodshot? Yeah? So I don't know. They

1050
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: could also just be anti anti rat propaganda. That's the

1051
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: other thing I think we should just look out for. Yeah,

1052
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: anti can it's cannabis hysteria.

1053
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, rats are an impressive foe. They are the most

1054
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: likely thing to overtake us. I feel like as the

1055
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: species most dominant, as the most dominant species.

1056
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 2: The noble rat, and as someone who was born in

1057
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: the Year of the Rat, you know, I kind of

1058
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: resent this. I'm like, are you talking about me? Because yeah,

1059
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 2: rats are getting high at the police headquarters.

1060
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: You're right, we are, well, Jason Pargin, such a pleasure

1061
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: having you on the daily Zeitgeist? Where can people find you?

1062
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: Follow you all that good stuff.

1063
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 4: As long as TikTok exists, I am Jason K. Pargin

1064
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 4: on there j s O N K P A R

1065
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 4: G I N. But I'm also Jason K. Pargen on

1066
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 4: Twitter and or x and blue Sky and threads and

1067
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 4: Instagram in YouTube, and I'm also on Facebook and uh

1068
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 4: and on substack, same username.

1069
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: There you go. And then the TikTok thing probably wouldn't

1070
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: be coming anytime soon, right like.

1071
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 4: Now next year at the earliest. Yeah, they will get

1072
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 4: them months to it'll yeah, it'll get it would be

1073
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 4: even if they passed a band, it would get tied

1074
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 4: up in court and they would stay the band while

1075
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 4: it's and it would go all the way Supreme Court

1076
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 4: because it's no, it would this will be. This would

1077
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 4: be news from twenty twenty seven or something. And I

1078
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 4: think if it actually ever happened, Yeah, good.

1079
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: So you're We've got a steady stream of butt punch

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Speaker 1: videos for the foreseeable future. They're not going to cut

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Speaker 1: off our supply. Is there a work of media, Jason,

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Speaker 1: that you've been enjoying.

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Speaker 4: There's a tweet that went out after the Oscars or

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Speaker 4: user kb Anderson Yo said all of the best film

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Speaker 4: editors are women because the dudes are like, this is

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Speaker 4: my five hour opus and then a woman comes in

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Speaker 4: and goes, okay, calm down, buddy.

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Speaker 2: That does seemed to be the dynamic and a number

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Speaker 2: more later. Man, let me just get through this cut.

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Speaker 1: Miles, where can people find you? Is there a workimedia

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Speaker 1: you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at Miles of Gray, pretty much everywhere they got

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Speaker 2: the ad symbols. Find Jack and I on the basketball

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Speaker 2: podcast Miles and Jack moosties. You can find me on

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Speaker 2: the ninety Day Fiance podcast for twenty Day Fiance. A

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Speaker 2: tweet I like, is there's this picture of young Dolly

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Speaker 2: Parton has been like going around on Twitter. I don't

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Speaker 2: Dolly Parton like back in the sixties, like in a

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Speaker 2: photo booth image and at local soundwave like quote toned

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Speaker 2: and said, bro, what the fuck could Jolene have possibly looked? Like, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's just like this stunning photo Dolly Parton. Like yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's true. Man, what can we see Jolene?

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Speaker 1: Actually, let's see a tweet I've been enjoying. Justin Kirkland

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Speaker 1: tweeted everyone criticizing Princess Kate's photoshop just needs to calm down.

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Speaker 1: She's going through so much right now. For example, she's dead,

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Speaker 1: which I don't know. You know, that's a source, that's

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Speaker 1: one source saying it. You can find me on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at daily Zeikeeist where at the Daily Zekeeist on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: we have a Facebook fan page on a website Daily

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Speaker 1: zeikes dot com where we post our episodes and our

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Speaker 1: foot notes where we link up to the information that

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Speaker 1: we talked about in today's episode, as well as a

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Speaker 1: song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song

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Speaker 1: do you think people might enjoy it?

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Speaker 2: I just want to put there's someone under that tweet.

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Speaker 2: Quote like sort of found an interview where Dolly Parton's

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Speaker 2: Dolly Parton was Joelene and this one apparently said the

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Speaker 2: song was mainly inspired by a red haired bank teller

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Speaker 2: who flirted with her husband, Carl Thomas Dean, all the

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Speaker 2: way back in the beginning of their marriage. Quote she

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Speaker 2: had everything I did, and like legs, you know, she

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Speaker 2: was about six feet tall and had all that stuff

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Speaker 2: that some little short sowd off homkey like me don't have.

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Speaker 6: This, Wow, my favorite kind of shotgun. Let's see a

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Speaker 6: song we're gonna go out on. You know, just some

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Speaker 6: just some electronic, you know, some drummond bass from from

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Speaker 6: the UK chasing status. This is called Bada Dan meeting

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Speaker 6: a Badder Van. But to win a bit of patois

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Speaker 6: b A D D A D A N. And it's

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Speaker 6: just like a just an aggressive song.

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe run on your treadmill, lift your weights,

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Speaker 2: drink your sodas, whatever you want to do it to

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Speaker 2: some high energy music. Go ahead, do it to this.

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Speaker 2: When Chason state this done.

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Speaker 1: All right, we will link off to that in the footnotes.

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your podcast. That's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for us this morning, back this afternoon

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Speaker 1: to tell you what's trending, and we will talk to

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Speaker 1: you all then. Bye. Peace