1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: The volume. What is up everybody? How are we doing? 2 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: I made a mistake where I did not bring a 3 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: piece of my traveling audio equipment. It's basically the thing 4 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: that holds everything together. It connects my mic, which is 5 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: like a mic that you know, a high level mic 6 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: that you would use in the studio, to my computer. 7 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: It's this contrapment called a H four zoom recorder, and 8 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: I left it on my desk, so I had to improvise. 9 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: I had limitations on what I could get immediately. I 10 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: had to go with a USB mic, which is horrendous. 11 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: So I apologize for the audio. Mike Malone, the old 12 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets, won a championship with jo With Joker, once 13 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 2: said when he was the King's head coach, he hated 14 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: when any player ever said my bad. He said, my 15 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: bad gets your ass kicked. He was still right, because 16 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: it's like when someone says my bad, like I dropped 17 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: the ball, my bad, you screw up at work? 18 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: My bad? 19 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: No shit, we know you did it. You know this 20 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: is my fault. But you don't need me to tell 21 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: you that because you can hear it. The audio quality 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: is not up to the three and out middle Cooff standards, 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: but I didn't have any other options. Somehow I'm staying 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: across the street from a target, and it might be 25 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: in that I haven't been to. I don't know fifty 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 2: targets in my life, in various states, in various places, 27 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: from Hawaii to Philly to the California. It's the worst 28 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: target I've ever seen in terms of electronic section. It 29 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: was a joke, so it didn't help me out much. 30 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: I didn't have time with Amazon, so this USB mic 31 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: is gonna have to work. So again, apologize. I'd say 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: my bad, but we don't say that in my family 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: because we know it's your bad. 34 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: I screwed up. So let's dive in. 35 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: We're gonna do a mail bag at John Middlecoff. At 36 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those dms. Get 37 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: your questions answered here on this little old podcast. Happy 38 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: Fourth of July week. Hope you're having a good time. 39 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: Enjoy yourself. A nice pool, a nice lake, a nice ocean, 40 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: some cocktails, some beers, your family, some hot dogs. I mean, 41 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 2: is there anything better than a good hot dog? A 42 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: Bruski at like nine am on fourth of July. So 43 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: hopefully everyone's having a good week, a better week than 44 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: Malik Beasley. 45 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: I saw the dudes. The dudes was in debt over 46 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: his ass. 47 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: He is obviously was in deep with gambling. If one 48 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: big Jay writes an article and blames anyone but Malik 49 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: Beasley in this situation, I just googled it before we 50 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 2: hopped on, you know, and people love blaming gambling. I've 51 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: been gambling for twenty years. He's made sixty million dollars. 52 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: And he's twenty eight years old. 53 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 2: Like, I do not want to hear anything about any 54 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: from anyone blaming anyone but that guy, because it'd be 55 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: one thing. You know, Milik Beasley, young player, only made 56 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: a couple of million dollars, made some bad decisions. 57 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, could it was twenty. 58 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: Three years old, I could have sixty million dollars in 59 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: career earnings and he was on pace to make another 60 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: fifty in this next contract. I'm sorry, bro, I don't 61 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: want to read one article on the Athletic about like 62 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: pointing the finger at someone else with that guy. But 63 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: before we dive into some football, god, it's just it's 64 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: it's head scratching. 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I 82 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: think what he might be referring to is we had 83 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: on John Spidep, the GM of the Raiders, and he made, like, 84 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: I don't want to say an offhanded joke because he 85 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: was kind of serious, but he said people their job 86 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: might hit the floor, or maybe he'd be embarrassed to say, 87 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 2: maybe that's what it was. 88 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: Maybe he was like, I'd. 89 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 2: Be embarrassed to admit who we called in our pursuit 90 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: of quarterbacks. And then I kind of threw in the jab, 91 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: like you called Andy Reid about Mahomes and he said no. 92 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: But then I started thinking what quarterbacks could he have called? 93 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 2: That would have been pretty insane, right, Like would he 94 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: have called on Lamar Jackson, Probably pretty doubtful. Would he 95 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: have called on Josh Allen, Probably pretty doubtful. So I 96 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: think it's fair to say Mahomes Josh Lamar in their 97 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: own little category. I don't think you'd waste that call 98 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: if you were him, because you just know. Even if 99 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: you offered Max Crosby and seven first rounders, which I 100 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: actually think I think I read one time or I 101 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: heard on someone say that the max you can offer 102 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: us four, even though I think the most we've ever 103 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: seen is three, which is weird because you could offer 104 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: your entire draft, but you can only offer four first rounders. 105 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: Could be wrong on that because I don't think we're 106 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: ever going to see that, But I would imagine you 107 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 2: call on Joe Burrow. Cincinnati's a weird place. Now, I 108 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: think you have a good idea what they're going to say. No, 109 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: But I think that is the one elite quarterback in 110 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: which you would call and you're okay, obviously getting that. 111 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: You know you're probably gonna get a hell no, hang up. 112 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: But it's just that place is fucking weird. And once 113 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: upon a time Carson Palmer ended up on the Raiders 114 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: from the Cincinnati Bengals. So you just never say never. 115 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: Justin Herbert no chance because he's in the division. You 116 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: wouldn't make that call like CJ. Stroud, Jayden Daniels, probably not. 117 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: Then I think you start getting in the world of 118 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: like Brock Purdy, Dak Prescott, Jared Goff, you probably Kyler Murray, 119 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: kind of that kind of group. You know, Jalen Hurst 120 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: just won. You probably not calling him. But I would 121 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: imagine anywhere from six to like fifteen, you're calling on 122 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: an every one of. 123 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: Those guys and you end up with Geno Smith. 124 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: So I would call on all those guys, but I 125 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: think Burrows the one elite guy that you're just like, hey, why. 126 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: Don't we just place a call? What do we gotta lose? 127 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: Mike Brown getting mad at me, who cares? Aaron Rodgers 128 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 2: on Aaron Rodgers. Do you think the sponsors like State 129 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: Farm knew he was weird? If they knew he was weird, 130 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: they would have given him the deals. I knew once 131 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: his immunization comment he was done being a double check guy. 132 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: I think he would have made less had he had 133 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: the endorsement money he made. I think he would have 134 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: made less than had he I'm not quite sure what 135 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: that means. You think he would have made less in 136 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: the NFL. My husband told me, don't bother on the 137 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: enigma waste of time and can't see him the same. Yeah, 138 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I think culturally the time, it was a 139 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: very like if you said I would never get a 140 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: COVID vaccine in twenty twenty five, absolutely when no one 141 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: would give a shit and ninety percent of people would 142 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: be like yeah, anyone under like sixty like yeah, I'm 143 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: not letting that touch my body either in twenty twenty five, 144 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: But in twenty twenty, you know, it's all about the timing. Culturally, 145 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: the way he was on the forefront of that. It 146 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: was a very hot button issue at the time, and 147 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: only one message was allowed you know things think culturally 148 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: how different things are now right, I actually see a 149 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: lot of people going the opposite way. I'm not even 150 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: just talking about the immunization thing, but just in society, 151 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: what flies what doesn't fly, So a lot matters at 152 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 2: the point in time you're at, right and everything in 153 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. 154 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: Honestly, I didn't even notice. I mean, it's clear he 155 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: hasn't been on these. 156 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: Whatever commercials in a while, but in terms of at 157 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 2: that time when they dropped him, he was just getting 158 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: crushed and it was for like, I'm in agreement, it 159 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: was over the COVID stuff, But. 160 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: I don't think. 161 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: I just think it was a time in a place 162 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: and it was such a hot button issue and he 163 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: was the most famous guy in the NFL. Do you 164 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: know this that like Sean Payton, Kyle Shanahan, Gruden, Andy Reid, 165 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: there was like six or seven of them that kept 166 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: getting fined. Sean Payton and Kyle Shanahan were getting fined 167 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: constantly for not wearing the masks and pulling it down 168 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: all the time, and they refused to pay. They never paid, 169 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 2: and somehow like they told Gruden because Gruden ended up 170 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: cutting the league like one hundred thousand dollars check, and 171 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: Sean Payton told him on a phone call, like, you're 172 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 2: fucking nuts. They'd have to come to Chase Bank and 173 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: fight me over that money. So it's like it's not 174 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: like anyone took away Sean Payton's juice or earning power. 175 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: I mean, he had a movie made about him, So 176 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, I think some of that stuff stupid. 177 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: And listen, you like. 178 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: Your marketing power for Aaron Rodgers, he probably cashed. 179 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: In pretty big time, you know. 180 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: Now if you're these corporations like they like things pretty 181 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: cookie cutter, right, and when they're gonna pay you a 182 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: lot of money, they need you to buy into whatever 183 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: they're doing. And State Farm doesn't want controversy regardless, Like politically, 184 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: who knows what the people running their campaign politically think 185 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: or care. They might be completely aligned, but they don't 186 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 2: want to have to deal with that. So it's just 187 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: I don't want to deal with anything. I want everything 188 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: as straight as possible. Like Patrick Mahomes pretty easy corporate 189 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: partner Josh Allen Lamar Jackson. It's like they're just not 190 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: that controversial. They just don't say anything which you could 191 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: say is kind of fake in the sense that they 192 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: actually have beliefs. There are things that if they said, 193 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: would make major headlines, but for them, it's just not 194 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: worth it. And where I would defend them is like, 195 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: why do you want to deal with the And I 196 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: actually hate this term media backlash? What does that mean 197 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five? Honestly, like the newspapers, I don't 198 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: know one person that reads the newspaper beside my seventy 199 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: five year old mother. So it's like, who are social media? 200 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: You know? 201 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 2: Are we at the point where if you're a corporation 202 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: you still care about what the comments say on fucking Twitter, 203 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: I mean our Instagram? But maybe they do, and some 204 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 2: clearly care more than others, and they don't want to 205 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: deal with any of that shit, and when it goes wrong, 206 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 2: whichever way, it can become a major pain in the ass. 207 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: The shows this summer of ben excellent. I'm especially and 208 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: fascinated by the business and finances of the organizations and 209 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 2: how it impacts the play on the field. Question, do 210 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: you think the emergence of private equity investment is a 211 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 2: potential game changer? I see it as a vital lifeline 212 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: potentially for family owned organizations like the Bears and Cowboys, 213 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: big brands without a lot of cash on hand. 214 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: I think Jerry has a lot of cash on hand. 215 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: I can't speak for the Bears, but I wouldn't put 216 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 2: Jerry your career wrecked where they are still considered a 217 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: mom and pop shop. Right, it's family owned business, but 218 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: in terms of cash revenue. You know, like Walmart was 219 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: a family owned operation for a while that they were 220 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: printing cash like they were the number one company in 221 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: the world. 222 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: Right. 223 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: You know, Bezos was leading the charge at Amazon early on. 224 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: I wouldn't call it a mom and pop operation, but 225 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 2: it was like his operation. So I put the Cowboys 226 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: in kind of a unique place. But like you said, 227 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: it's not like Jerry started Microsoft or has all these 228 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: other companies that generated in revenue like some of these 229 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: other people. Steve Balmer I saw on a podcast recently, 230 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 2: said that his dividends from Microsoft, obviously can change a 231 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: little bit on a yearly basis, have recently paid him 232 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: over a billion dollars a year just the dividends of 233 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: his stock. Think about that, So, you know, sometimes and 234 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: I'm guilty of that's like, oh, Bomber's got more money 235 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: than everyone else. When you hear that, you're like, Jesus, 236 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: how could So he's already purchased the team cash, right, 237 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: He's he already built the building, and then he just 238 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: has this side revenue stream of dividends. That's pretty fucking nuts. 239 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: I mean it, truly, that's pretty crazy. That's when he 240 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: said that, and you just really kind of started. 241 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: To think about it. 242 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: You're like, God, the Clippers, no wonder Genie had to 243 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 2: sell because they're gonna get to a point. I just 244 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: saw Shay Gildess Alexander he's making seventy million dollars a year. 245 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: I think a big reason all these NBA owners sold, 246 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: granted they ten twenty x their money, because the expenses 247 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: were about to go and they are currently through the roof. Right, 248 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: you have three or four guys, multiple guys in your 249 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: team making fifty sixty seventy million dollars. 250 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: So you have three human. 251 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: Beings accounting for potentially one hundred and fifty million dollars 252 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 2: were in the NFL your salary cap even at once 253 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: against three hundred million dollars. It is a group of 254 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: fifty five guys, right, fifty three forty five whatever. The 255 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: number varies team to team because you got some injury guys. 256 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: You got whatever. 257 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: But it is a larger group of players, so just 258 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 2: statistically you have a better chance of injuries and balancing 259 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: it out, and the money you get from TV always 260 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: pays for that. We're in the NBA, it's a little 261 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: more obviously they're making enough money to pay the players, 262 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: but it's a little clearly a little more fickle. So 263 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: I think why a lot of these NBA teams paid 264 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: or bought, You're sold out because the money was so huge, 265 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: same thing like you said with the NFL, because just 266 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: it just helps them breathe a little bit. I will 267 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: defend I'm always critical of rich people, like super rich people, right, 268 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: I'm not talking like guys worth a million dollars and 269 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: still counts the tip on a calculator, Like I get it. 270 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: But if you are worth five hundred million dollars and 271 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: you're like stiffing a weight or over a twenty dollars 272 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: tip or something like, you're a fucking loser, you know. 273 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: And we see some of these owners who are just 274 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: who are who are frugal to the max. It's like, guys, 275 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: your television revenue is paying you four hundred and fifty 276 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: million dollars a year. Your player salaries are two hundred 277 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: and seventy five million. You do the math. You are 278 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: guaranteed to win. You can't pay everyone, and you're building 279 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: enough money to even come close to not make it 280 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: a thirty percent guaranteed profit on just that television revenue alone. 281 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: Where like, I just think it makes people uncomfortable. And listen, 282 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: some of these guys also, they get leveraged, they make 283 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: other investments, Like I follow the Niners pretty closely and 284 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: they have invested heavily into international soccer. Well that's not cheap, 285 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: you know, Jerry. We just had a family friend who 286 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: was hanging out in Italy that just saw Jerry Jones's yacht, right. 287 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I just was actually watching this yacht show 288 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: on Amazon Prime. I'm not really in to Like if 289 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: you're like, hey, John, you're with a billion dollars, would 290 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: you want a fifty million dollar yacht? My answer being no, 291 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: I don't really mess with the ocean. I like looking 292 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: at it, like having a cocktail on the beach looking 293 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: at it. Would not want to be on the ocean 294 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: with a yacht. But these yachts the show, Like, I mean, 295 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: these rich people are paying fifty to one hundred million 296 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: dollars for a yacht, and you start having some of 297 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: these expenses, and I think most human beings can't relate. 298 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: As you start making a little bit more money, your 299 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: lifestyle usually changes a little bit because you just you 300 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: just up sell yourself and a bunch of different things, 301 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, yeah, you might have gone 302 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: from fifty grand to one hundred grand, but over a 303 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: couple of years, like, I don't even feel like I 304 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: have any more money. Where you go from like one 305 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: hundred grand and then all of a sudden, five years 306 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: later you're making. 307 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: Two hundred grand. 308 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: You're like, it's not like I feel a lot richer 309 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: because your expenses go up, and I do wonder the 310 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: private equity. My question is less about a cash influx. 311 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, I get six hundred million dollars or 312 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: eight hundred million dollars. Are you actually using that money 313 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: to fund these contracts or did you use that money 314 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: to just feel better about yourself? 315 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: Have money, I don't know, in. 316 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: Some sort of fun that pays you six seven percent, 317 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: where you can make a lot of I don't know. 318 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: That to me is a million dollar question that truly 319 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: only these owners would know and would talk about. Pro 320 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: golfers drive for show, but they putt for doe. 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For additional terms and responsible gambling resources, 351 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: see DKNG dot co slash. 352 00:18:50,600 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: Audio uh stumbled upon Collins Feet a few years and 353 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: have been a fan ever since. 354 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: Thank you, Mike. While I love the hard cap in 355 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: the NFL, I think some flexibility would make the league better. 356 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: Imagine at the bottom five teams were allowed to go 357 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: twenty percent over the cap and six to ten were 358 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: allowed to go ten percent. Do you think it would 359 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: help shift franchises like the Panthers, Browns, Giants, Saints to. 360 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: Get out of the gutter. Let's use the Browns as 361 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: an example. Jimmy Haslam spent more actual cash than any 362 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: owner over the last I think four years. I think 363 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: in terms of actual cash, not like the salary cap 364 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: and like the cap hits. I'm saying actual cash. Two players. 365 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: I remember reading an athletic article I'm pretty sure was 366 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: over a billion dollars over the course of twenty one, 367 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 2: twenty two, twenty three and twenty four. No owner in 368 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: the NFL Jeffrey Luriy, Jerry Jones, who's not even that high. 369 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 2: The Niners, like the high paying teams, spent as much 370 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: as Jimmy Haslin. So just because there's a hard cap 371 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you can't give or cash. So Jimmy 372 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: Haslam has tried to do that and hasn't worked. David 373 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: Tepper could easily do that, and it just it hasn't worked. 374 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: Like you've got to get the coach. The reason the 375 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: Panthers have lost is not because they don't try or 376 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 2: because of like money reasons. 377 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: It's because they've hired shitty coaches. Right, I mean, it's 378 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: just that simple. Now, this guy might be good, we'll see. 379 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: But the reason the Browns have lost is they gave 380 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty million to Deshaun Watson. I've said 381 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: this before and I'll say it again because I think 382 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 2: it's as simple of a way as I've ever heard 383 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: summed up the NFL process from a front office team 384 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 2: building standpoint. Is how he said this a couple of 385 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: years ago during the draft, he said, every team is 386 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: allotted the same amount of cap space and the same 387 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: amount of draft picks. You just choose how you use it. 388 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 2: Every team gets a first through seventh round pick to start, right, 389 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 2: you get, depending on who leaves in free agency, get 390 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: comp picks, and every team two hundred and fifty million 391 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 2: dollars or whatever the salary cap is that you're to 392 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 2: build a roster. You choose how you want to allocate 393 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: those funds, and then if your owner is aggressive like 394 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: a Jimmy Haslam, like Jeffrey Lurie, you can cheat the system. 395 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: So I don't think it's necessary to do what you said, 396 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 2: but I hear you. I have a question regarding Kyle 397 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: I don't get the narrative of him being a great 398 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: head coach losing a record without Christian in playoff success 399 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 2: only with loaded rosters. He has a lot of influence 400 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: on the draft and resigning players. The Ayuk extension looks 401 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: really bad. His players frequently hold out. I can't see 402 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: these things happen frequently to guys like Harball Sea and 403 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: Peyton Pete Carroll. Hee got rid of Russ and rob 404 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 2: the Broncos when his value declined. Hat he had Russ 405 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 2: and he went to Gino and one basically everywhere. Why 406 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 2: has Shanahan talked as a great head coach? To me, 407 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: he looks like a great oc. He was a bit 408 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 2: over his skis as a head coach. Do you think 409 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: the Niners should opt for a change sooner than later? 410 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: You have to understand Kyle Shanahan took over one of 411 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: the worst teams I've ever seen since I've been watching 412 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: football as an adult for twenty five years. The forty 413 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: nine Ers were a fucking joke. Their roster was pitiful, 414 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: their culture was an embarrassment. Their team was unwatchable. Three 415 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 2: years later, they were up ten points with five minutes 416 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: ago in the Super Bowl in a roster that he 417 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: was in control of. So when you say a loaded roster, 418 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 2: he built the thing and from twenty nineteen goes to 419 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Two years later he's in the NFC 420 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: Championship again. And the other thing where he gets credit 421 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: is like he's winning these playoff games with Jimmy Garoppolo 422 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 2: and Brock Pirty. He's not winning him with some great quarterback. 423 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: I think he's won eight playoff games. So whether your 424 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: roster's loaded, which he's in charge of, or not, you 425 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 2: get credit in the NFL for winning the games when 426 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: forty million people are watching. And I've been critical on Kyle, 427 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: but where I cannot be critical of him in the 428 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 2: biggest fucking games. And these are regular season games too, 429 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 2: late games, late season games against Seattle multiple times, a 430 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 2: big late season game against the Rams in twenty twenty one, 431 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 2: when the playoffs are on the line, when the number 432 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: one seeds on the line. His team has shown up 433 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: and kicked ass and came out victorious. He went on 434 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: the road and beat a Mike McCarthy twelve win team. 435 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: He went on the road and beat an Aaron Rodgers 436 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: MVP led team. Like you just get a lot of 437 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: credit for that. Like Kevin O'Connell, everyone blows him for 438 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: winning all these regular season games and then the playoff 439 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 2: games come and like Kyle, he doesn't have Patrick mahomes 440 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: or Joe Burrow, he loses. 441 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: I Like Kevin O'Connell, I. 442 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 2: Got nothing against him, but he is discussed like he's 443 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay. Yet in the playoffs two 444 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: out of the last three years, he's had won all 445 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: these regular season games and gets worked. Sean McVeigh took 446 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: him to the woodshed, ben his ass over and took 447 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: him to Poundtown like he got embarrassed in that game. 448 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: Now you can say it is on the road. I 449 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: mean on the road for Sean McVay two fires they 450 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 2: had to displace the Arizona. That just hasn't happened to Kyle. 451 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: You want to get get on him for losing twice 452 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: Andy Reid and Sean mc and Patrick mahomes, okay, or 453 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 2: Sean McVay in the NFC Championship game with a ten 454 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: win team, okay. But Kyle's won a lot of playoff games, 455 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 2: a lot of playoff games, and even in. 456 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: The Super Bowl. 457 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: The two he's lost his team showed up ready to 458 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 2: play and took leads. So it's like I'm watching Kevin O'Connell. 459 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 2: Everyone's like, Oh, Kevin o' bill walsh, can can the 460 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 2: guy win one playoff game? 461 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: One? One? You know, everyone's shitting on Mike McDaniel. Everyone's like, Oh, 462 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: this's Mike McDaniel. Look at that curly hair and those 463 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: fu fu glasses and his fifty thousand dollars. Watch. What's 464 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: what's different between Mike McDaniel and Kevin O'Connell. 465 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: Neither guy wins in the playoffs. Wins some regular seas 466 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 2: and games sexy offense. Again, I would take Kevin O'Connell 467 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: over Mike McDaniel. But I'm just being honest here. Let's 468 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: just let's call a spade a spade. Got you gotta 469 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 2: win some big games, So why give Matt Laford credit? 470 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: Went on the road a couple of years ago, beat 471 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: the hell out of the Cowboys. That's a big win. 472 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 2: You know, you get, you get? What's every playoff win worth? 473 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: I'd argue every playoff win, especially on the road, should 474 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: be like an extra year coaching the team. The forty 475 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: nine ers gonna get rid of Kyle Shanahan for who, 476 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 2: I mean, what would. 477 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: Their options be. Look at some of these guys that 478 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: get hired, and I. 479 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: Feel like I'm the most critical guy of Kyle, and 480 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: then with questions like this, I got to defend him. 481 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: Have you heard any one refer to the cold situation 482 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: as a curse? Hear me out on this one. 483 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: We have had nothing but bad luck at quarterback positions, 484 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 2: as the fans boot Andrew Luck when his retirement was 485 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 2: leaked during the preseason. We have been decent at positions 486 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: but cannot get the quarterback right. I believe wholeheartedly the 487 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 2: Colts have bad luck. 488 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: No pun intended. There have been a lot of curses 489 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: in sports. Would like to get your opinion. It's a 490 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: good question. 491 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 2: You could argue that God gave you Peyton Manning and 492 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: for however many years ninety eight. I guess you guys 493 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: sucked those couple of years in the nineties, but from 494 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 2: two thousand, for that decade, it was pretty sweet. I mean, 495 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 2: you were the second best team in the league basically 496 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 2: the entire time, behind the Patriots. You beat the Patriots. 497 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: To win your Super Bowl. 498 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: You went to another Super Bowl where I think if 499 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 2: you play that Super Bowl ten times. You probably win 500 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: it more than you lose it. 501 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were on. 502 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: Basically Monday Night football. You were just a team that 503 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 2: really mattered. So yeah, I mean, are you cursed. I 504 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: don't know if you're like, curse the Bambino. But you 505 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: did cut Peyton Manning and then for the next three 506 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 2: years he went on to lead the best team. 507 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: It was the right move. It was the right move. 508 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: Trading bab Ruth was not the right move, but you 509 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: did cut Peyton Manning. A couple more questions. 510 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: When the o to thirteen Jets upset the nine to 511 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: four Rams in LA, the game ultimately dictated that Trevor 512 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 2: Lawrence went to the Jags and led the Jets to 513 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: taking Zach Wilson. Could you play a hypothetical scenario where 514 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: the Jets lose out and end up taking Lawrence with 515 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: the number one pick. Do you think the AFC landscape 516 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: has changed at all or is the effect minimal you 517 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 2: I'm a better Jets fan. It's a good question. I 518 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 2: think it'd be kind of similar. I guess the Jets 519 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 2: have had a better team than the Jags with Trevor 520 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: Lawrence in terms of like you guys, hit on some 521 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 2: good players. But I have a hard time seeing right. 522 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. 523 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,719 Speaker 2: I guess the domino effect would Aaron Rodgers would not 524 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 2: have been traded to the Jets. Maybe the Steelers just 525 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 2: trade for Aaron Rodgers right then, so maybe the domino 526 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 2: effect changes. Right there, there's Aaron Terry's eight Terry's achilles 527 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: for the Steelers. Do the jag draft Zach Wilson. To me, 528 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 2: the more interesting part is like the butterfly effect, the 529 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 2: domino effect of quarterbacks and the butterfly effect of Aaron Rodgers. 530 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: But I don't think we look at Trevor Lawrence and 531 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: the Jets like. 532 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: You guys are some consistent nine to ten win team. 533 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: Good question though, Okay we'll end on this great work 534 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: on Colin. A bit of a long question for the mailbag. 535 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: I work in contracts and acquisitions. Successful guy. 536 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: Then, as someone who got into this work because I 537 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: always love the topic the process of contracts in professional sports, 538 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 2: I was wondering if you could share some insight into 539 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 2: that role in the NFL. You've mentioned contract negotiations before, 540 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 2: but how does one become a contract negotiator with the team? 541 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: Do you start as a scout, and work your way up. 542 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 2: Do you have to have a financial background or is 543 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: it done in house with GM. John Schneider mentioned his 544 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: involvement a few times and an agent representing the player 545 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 2: keep up the great work and success. Well, let's dive 546 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: into that because I wanted to welcome you to Chasing 547 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: Challenges brought to you by Microsoft. 548 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: In the NFL. 549 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: Just like in the business world, overcoming obstacles is key 550 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: to success. Microsoft empowers business decision makers with AI solutions, 551 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: simplified cloud and ADA management, and trustworthy responsible technology to 552 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: turn challenges into opportunities. In this segment, we will explore 553 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: some of the biggest challenges being faced in the NFL 554 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: and how they can be overcome. Whatever challenge you're faced, 555 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: Microsoft empowers you with the expertise to say bring it on. 556 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: This week we've. 557 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 2: Discussed the challenge faced by all these contract negotiators. We 558 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 2: see holdouts. We see the Niners have dealt with a 559 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 2: lot of them. Obviously the Bengals are dealing with them. 560 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 2: I think most contract negotiators for a team, this guy 561 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: in charge of the salary cap tends to have a 562 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: law background or a finance background, usually the scout background. 563 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: When the guy gets into that is when he becomes 564 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: either the assistant. 565 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: GM or the GM. 566 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 2: John Schneider, I would say, became a household name evaluating players, 567 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 2: not negotiating contracts. When I worked for the Eagles, it 568 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: was unique because Howie had got his start and came 569 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: up on the contract side. So he had a law 570 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: degree and he worked his way up dealing with agents 571 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: and then got in on the scouting side and then 572 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: became the GM and merged the two. But I would 573 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: say most scouts, especially the ones I know Jason Light, 574 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: Spy Tech Veitch Am I Missing, Adam Peters, those type 575 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: guys got into the business college scouting pro scouting, you know, 576 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: helping with this guy's worth, trading this many picks, and 577 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: then I think, like you said, you learn that that 578 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: you start getting Hey, will you call this agent? 579 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: Will you deal with that? But in terms of the 580 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: language of a contract, right yeah. 581 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 2: I talked to Jason Light about this a couple of 582 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: years ago at the at the draft or at the combine. 583 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: That you know, you kind of learn as a GM. 584 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 2: It's kind of like trial by fire, but you are 585 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 2: very dependent on the guy negotiating your money, Like for example, 586 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: the forty nine ers Peragemarate is like the York's money guy. 587 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 2: This guy's fucking genius. Known him for a while. 588 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: I haven't talked to him a long time, but he's 589 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: a extremely smart guy and he's really good with money, 590 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: and he for a long time negotiated the contracts, like 591 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: when Harbaugh was there and then with Kyle and John. 592 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: Now they have people under him. 593 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: But like, obviously you're not going to negotiate a contract 594 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 2: if the head coach and the GM don't want it, 595 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: But like, are they negotiating every single kicker of a contract? 596 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: You have individuals whose job it is to get on 597 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: the phone maybe with Drew Rosenhouse or maybe want a 598 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: Dre Rosenhouse guy and just get the basic parameters of 599 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 2: what we're looking for and what they're looking for, and 600 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 2: then people write it up and then they get involved. 601 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 2: To me, most of the time with the bigger picture stuff, right, 602 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: Like was John Lynch when the party contract was being 603 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 2: negotiated on the phone every single day, you know, talking 604 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: the specific language of the coton no. 605 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: And he's talked about this before he gets involved. When 606 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: it's like how can how can we get a deal done? Right? 607 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 2: You're not like Marie's in real estate. She's not doing 608 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 2: every single detail of the contract. 609 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: Some of it's already written. A lot of these. 610 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 2: NFL contracts, the parameters of a position is already set 611 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 2: in stone. You just push the envelope on one thing, 612 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: you relent on another thing, and then you kind of 613 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,479 Speaker 2: find some middle ground. Right, So I think most guys, 614 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: and this is what's going on with Trey Hendrickson. You know, 615 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 2: that's a situation where everyone in the organization's involved. And 616 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: then there are situations like Micah Parsons where it's like 617 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: you kind of got an idea what the money's going 618 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 2: to be. That's one where Jerry can just either got 619 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 2: to give a thumbs up or a thumbs down. 620 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: Right, But a lot of these contracts, you know, the. 621 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 2: The rookie scale now is pretty easy. But you know, 622 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 2: if you're free agency can be you know, free agency 623 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 2: is a set like the free agency market. It is 624 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 2: not it's not a buyer's market because it's really really expensive. 625 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: So they kind of got to you by the balls. 626 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 2: So they're you know, during that time, your negotiator is 627 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: on the phone and they're like, well, we got three 628 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 2: different offers, so you're offering six million, I got three 629 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: other offers that are close to nine. So it's like 630 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 2: you can be like, oh, you're bluffing, or like, see 631 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 2: you later. And that's where I think from a scouting perspective, 632 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 2: you kind of learn those skills and when you've done it, 633 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 2: you have a pretty good idea, but you have to 634 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 2: have a pretty good idea of the market of how 635 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 2: good the player is. 636 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 1: So it's there. 637 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: Are a lot of I think more than ever. It 638 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: used to either just be the GM and was in 639 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 2: charge or the money guy was in charge. I think 640 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 2: there are more people with their hand in the cookie 641 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: jar on these deals than ever before because we're talking 642 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 2: I mean guards, you're making twenty million dollars a year. 643 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 2: So that's an excellent question, and it's you know, it's 644 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 2: a big challenge for these teams to you know, figure 645 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: out who's in charge of that and when do the 646 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 2: big decision get involved. So that's it for this week's 647 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: chasing challenges. 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