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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number sixty

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Speaker 1: one TAM's show. Dan and I are discussing a topic

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Speaker 1: that all hunters love, debating the timing of the rut.

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Speaker 1: So here we go. All right, welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick of Gear.

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Speaker 1: Now today in the show, Dan and I are diving

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Speaker 1: into a topic that mostly all deer hunters love to discuss, debate,

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Speaker 1: and dream about, and that's the rut. And specifically, we'll

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Speaker 1: be discussing the timing of the rut in the theories

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Speaker 1: around how we might be able to predict when the

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Speaker 1: rut will occur. But before we get to all of that,

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Speaker 1: we've got to fill our weekly quota for b s NG.

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Speaker 1: So Dan, what is new? Right now? I am sitting

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Speaker 1: in a dirty motel on the south side of Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: near the airport, waiting to take off, uh right in

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Speaker 1: early tomorrow morning to head back to Iowa. I've been

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Speaker 1: in I've been in Philadelphia or like a suburb of

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia for work the entire week. And I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hate on big cities and large populations

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Speaker 1: in the East Coast because I know I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys from Pennsylvania, although they're from the west

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Speaker 1: side of the state. But I am very thankful that

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Speaker 1: I live in a small town in Iowa. That's all

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. Yeah, I hear you. I couldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: I lived in I lived in Manhattan for a summer

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Speaker 1: and that was all I could handle. Yeah, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: I only have to come out here a little and

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Speaker 1: just get small doses of it. I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: When I was at work, everybody was real nice. But

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Speaker 1: when you're out in public, I don't think I heard

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Speaker 1: please or thank you. Yeah, I'm just like that blows

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Speaker 1: my mind anyway. You know. I'm just ready to get

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Speaker 1: back and inn like a couple more weeks. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: check my trail cameras again, and that's what I'm really

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Speaker 1: looking forward to. Yeah, I hear you. I came like

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Speaker 1: so super close to buying one of those um wireless

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Speaker 1: cellular trail cameras and trying to convince one of my

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Speaker 1: buddies to drive down and set it up so I

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Speaker 1: could start getting trail camera pictures from Ohio because it's

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Speaker 1: just dying so bad to see what's down there. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've been able to convince my friends

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Speaker 1: yet to go down there. So well, i'll tell you what, Man,

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Speaker 1: those things I can understand if they'd work good and

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Speaker 1: a well, like an area with good cellphone reception, but

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Speaker 1: where I hunt. I tried one of those and had

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Speaker 1: poor cell phone service, so they don't really work. That

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Speaker 1: sucked to spend five hundred bucks on that and then

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Speaker 1: I haven't worked right right, Plus the monthly fee for

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Speaker 1: data or whatever. Yeah, it's like it's a flat fee

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Speaker 1: of like ten images for forty bucks. So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's worth it so well. I mean

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Speaker 1: it could be worth it if you had a good

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Speaker 1: cellphone reception. I don't, so it's not worth it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I still might do it if if if I get

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Speaker 1: someone like it's going down there, I might try to

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Speaker 1: buy one and send it down just because I'm just

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Speaker 1: dying to see what's happening down there and stuck up

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Speaker 1: here not knowing anything, not in Michigan. That in Ohio

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Speaker 1: and not in Iowa. So if I could get some

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Speaker 1: But we'll see. But no complainants. Things are good up

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Speaker 1: here for me too. I definitely like being away from

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Speaker 1: the big city. I know you're glad to be out

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Speaker 1: of there soon. Um, I'm almost I almost was recording remotely,

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Speaker 1: just like you two. I just got back from Northern

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Speaker 1: Montana like ten minutes ago. So what what were you

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Speaker 1: doing up there? We're in Glacier National Park. Um my

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Speaker 1: a half, and so we were in Grand Teton and

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Speaker 1: Yellowstone and then Glacier and we kind of toured them around,

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Speaker 1: showed them different places and hiked and fished and did

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Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff. So Glaciers is on my bucket list.

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Speaker 1: You gotta go there. It's it's awesome, it's incredible. We

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Speaker 1: saw what we see well, black bear and Glacier, some moose.

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Speaker 1: So lots of wildlife and gorgeous gorge of scenery and

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Speaker 1: tons of stuff to do, and I've got good news, Dan,

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Speaker 1: what's that I finally figured out how to fly fish? Well, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to teach me. Then, Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: I came out here, you fly fish maybe ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: And for the first couple of weeks I failed miserably.

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Speaker 1: and I couldn't figure it out. So finally, like three

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, I caught one, and then last week I

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Speaker 1: I finally hit it. I landed ten, including a nice

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Speaker 1: like seventeen inch cutthroat, which is I think it was

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Speaker 1: figuring out how to do that. Catch some fish and uh,

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Speaker 1: it's not too bad out here. So that's you're gonna

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Speaker 1: start smoking a pipe? You know if I feel that

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Speaker 1: like fly Fisherman's you know, I can just see you

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Speaker 1: turning to that, Like if you're a fly fisherman, you're

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Speaker 1: like in this own category. It's like you're kind of

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Speaker 1: a hipster but not really a hipster. Where like red

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Speaker 1: one of those hats with all the lures hanging off

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Speaker 1: of it. I don't I'm not doing the floppy hat.

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Speaker 1: But I got the flannel and I got everything else

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Speaker 1: except for the pipe, I guess. So I'm maybe halfway there.

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Speaker 1: But by the end of the summer, who knows when

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Speaker 1: it happened. Two months is a long time. You never know.

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Speaker 1: I could come back a totally different, very strange person.

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Speaker 1: But white tails, we're here talking about white Tails. I've

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Speaker 1: that as soon as we get off this call, I'm

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Speaker 1: watch some horn porn and dream about hunting deer. That's

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Speaker 1: my plan for this night. So ellis I'm gonna watch

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Speaker 1: some crappy HBO movie probably, or just go straight to bed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't blame um. Or you might dream about the rut,

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Speaker 1: which is what many deer runners are doing all year,

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Speaker 1: thinking about the rut and that crazy time of the year,

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Speaker 1: which is exactly what I wanted us to talk about today. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know that you know this and probably

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Speaker 1: And that's what we dream about, and um it's hard

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Speaker 1: real heavy that day. And like my perfect the best

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Speaker 1: out of range. But it was just like all day

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Speaker 1: And I've experienced a lot of ruts, man, I mean

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Speaker 1: from I remember watching a hundred seventy in deer through

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Speaker 1: my binoculars breed a dough on October twe you fourth,

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Speaker 1: see running activity quote unquote in October, you might see

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Speaker 1: for people because sometimes we're talking about two different things.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about running activity like what you just said,

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Speaker 1: like a dough being chased or bucks being rattled in

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Speaker 1: that might be what we would call rutting activity. And

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Speaker 1: then there's the more scientific definition of the rut, which

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Speaker 1: would be the peak of breeding, so when the actual

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Speaker 1: usually two different things. Lots of times the biologists talking

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Speaker 1: we talk about when one's a peak of the rut.

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Speaker 1: We really want to know when's the peak of daylight

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Speaker 1: movement that hunters are actually going to see which translates

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Speaker 1: into hunting success. And those are typically two different times

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Speaker 1: So what I thought, Dann we could do today is

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Speaker 1: go through, I want to talk through, you know, that

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Speaker 1: And then I thought we could look back at some

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Speaker 1: I share those predictions from Alsheimer, and I share the

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Speaker 1: information about the more traditional theory and my own thoughts

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Speaker 1: and things like that, and every year I get biologists email.

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Speaker 1: Not every year, but I've had several years where email

433
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Speaker 1: or biologists have emailed me angrily saying that, you know,

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't be popularizing this theory that el Shammer Laroche

435
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Speaker 1: had because it's completely unwarranted by science, it's not backed up,

436
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: it's poppy cock, etcetera, etcetera. But people swear by it,

437
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: and there's these you know, observations that these guys are

438
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Speaker 1: having that they claim show some indications that this stuff

439
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Speaker 1: lines up and that the moon actually does have an impact.

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Speaker 1: So it's quite the debate. I've heard all sorts of

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Speaker 1: different takes on it. I think one of the key

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Speaker 1: things for me when they, you know, when I'm reading

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Speaker 1: that kind of more detailed um explanation of the theory,

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Speaker 1: is that they talk about running activity. They're predicting running activity.

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Speaker 1: They don't specifically say rut or they don't specifically say

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Speaker 1: peaked breeding. So sometimes I wonder if we're talking about

447
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Speaker 1: the timing of two different things. Um so so, yeah,

448
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Speaker 1: So there's the two theories. There's the two things that

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Speaker 1: people are looking at. UM, So I got a couple

450
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Speaker 1: of things we could do, Dude, we could you know, well,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about this? The rut predictions for

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Speaker 1: each year. I don't know how much you pay attention

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Speaker 1: on this, but I typically try to every year, you know,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the season look back at the

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Speaker 1: past rut and I like to look back at the

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Speaker 1: product the timing predictions and say, Okay, did what I

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Speaker 1: actually saw a line up in any way with the predictions?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Do you ever look back at that name?

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Speaker 1: I do a little bit. I do, I do a

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Speaker 1: little bit. And last year, UM, I believe was was

461
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Speaker 1: last year a late rut based off Alzheimer's So actually, no,

462
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Speaker 1: last year was It was a pretty normal one. The

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Speaker 1: running moon last year fell on November six, so based

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Speaker 1: on that, they predicted that the majority of seeking behavior

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Speaker 1: would pick up around oct and would continue until around

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Speaker 1: the number six, and then we'd start seeing more chasing

467
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Speaker 1: and this will continue on until around the middle of

468
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Speaker 1: November when the tending phase will begin. This seemed like

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Speaker 1: that was a typical kind of that's what I think

470
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Speaker 1: of as your usual rut timing. Um, and that's what

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Speaker 1: they predicted last year. So what did you see that

472
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Speaker 1: line up with that? Yeah? You know, I I tell

473
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Speaker 1: you there was in the early part the first week

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Speaker 1: we saw um, you know, your young bucks out cruise.

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Speaker 1: And as that week progressed the first week the first um,

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Speaker 1: I would say, from November three until uh eight, with

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Speaker 1: the sixth and seventh being the highest amount of movement

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Speaker 1: that we saw and then kind of trick that trickled

479
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Speaker 1: off again, um, but still seeing movement. UM. I would

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Speaker 1: say that the peak fell right in line with that date. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I you know, I look at my observations. UM, I

482
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: definitely did see, you know, an increase in cruising behavior

483
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Speaker 1: in that middle of November. Um. You know, I shot

484
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Speaker 1: my buck November six, and I was hunting with my

485
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Speaker 1: buddy Josh the next day and we saw multiple cruising bucks.

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Speaker 1: And the next day another friend of mine had a

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Speaker 1: cruising buck that he got a shot at. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: based on some and actually the day before that, another

489
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Speaker 1: several days before that, another buddy of mine did so

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Speaker 1: I mean, and it totally it did seem like that

491
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Speaker 1: definitely was the case, um, that that was picking up,

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Speaker 1: but I think an important thing to take note of

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Speaker 1: for for you and for me and for anyone listening.

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Speaker 1: Every year, when we do this, we think back, Okay,

495
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Speaker 1: what do we see? And then we make a judgment

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Speaker 1: based on just what we personally saw on you know,

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Speaker 1: these theories. So if I if I kill a buck

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00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: on November six, I'm gonna say, yep, he was perfectly right,

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Speaker 1: because that's exactly when I saw my buck. Um. But

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Speaker 1: I can't remember who said this, and maybe it was

501
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: someone on the podcast, maybe not, but someone talked about

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Speaker 1: fooled by randomness and the idea of that. You know,

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Speaker 1: when we experience something ourselves once or twice, it might

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Speaker 1: be completely random, it's not necessarily indicative of a pattern.

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Speaker 1: But when we personally experience it, we tend to generalize

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Speaker 1: that as a larger thing. So because we saw it

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00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: ourselves once or twice, we believe that's a larger um

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00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: occurrence and it might have been random. We might have

509
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: been fooled by randomness, but very rarely do we ever

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Speaker 1: take that into account. And so lots of times, you know,

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Speaker 1: just because I saw a bucko Nomber twice or Nomber six,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say, yep, the predictions were right. Well,

513
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: who knows what the other you know, ten million deer

514
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Speaker 1: hunters saw during that period of time. You know, my

515
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: sample size is really small, so it's hard to really

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Speaker 1: look at our own personal via our own personal experience.

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00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: Isn't really get a good idea, but it's it's still interesting.

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Speaker 1: So and I just remembered last year there was we

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Speaker 1: had really, in my opinion, was a normal, a good run,

520
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: nothing crazy and nothing poor about it. Now I remember

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00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: the previous year, everybody was saying, oh my god, what

522
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: a horrible what a horrible rut. Now, I guess these

523
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: kind of things don't make sense to me because I

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Speaker 1: like to have numbers and science based, you know, make

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Speaker 1: my decisions for me. And I saw the same dear

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Speaker 1: movement two years ago that I did this this past year.

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Speaker 1: And I don't I wouldn't say it was the best

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Speaker 1: rut I've ever seen, and I'm not gonna say it

529
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: was the worst rut I've ever seen. But there was

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Speaker 1: deer movement, and there were there was deer getting killed

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Speaker 1: in the area. There was my trail cameras were busy

532
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: taking pictures, and um, I was seeing deer from the

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00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, dear from the tree stand. So that tells

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00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: me that you know, there's obviously movement and based on

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00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: the scientifics you know, the scientific prediction, the it's the

536
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: rut it's happening, you know, it's it's pocketed. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: if there's hot dos in one area, that's where all

538
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 1: the bucks are going to be. There's a rut happening

539
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 1: at your neighbor's house, right or a party happened at

540
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: you on your neighboring property, which can suck all these

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Speaker 1: bucks into one area, and then your property is left

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00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: as a you know, a desert. You know, it can

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00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: be totally different, just a hundred yards away or half

544
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: mile away, or a county away or anything like that.

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00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: Umcent agree with that. And I think what you mentioned

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Speaker 1: just a second ago, the fact that two years ago

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Speaker 1: lots of people complained about that quote unquote bad rud

548
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Speaker 1: or weird rut. It is interesting that that did at

549
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Speaker 1: least popular murmurings from people. You know, lots of people

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00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: were complaining about that. It did coincide with el Shammer's

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Speaker 1: prediction in two thousand thirteen in which he said that

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Speaker 1: the running moon was gonna fall very late that year November,

553
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: which was you know, drastically laid um than typical, like

554
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve, it was in October twenty nine

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00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: running moon, and then last year was the November six,

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Speaker 1: So this was, you know, eighteen or nineteen days later

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Speaker 1: than two thousand and twelve. It was ten days later

558
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: than last year. Um. And so what Laroche and Elsheimer's

559
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: say is when there's this really late rutting moon, it

560
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: creates something that they call a trickle rut, where there's

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00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: going to be some peaks of rutting early, there's gonna

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00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: be some peaks of rutting later, there's gonna be some

563
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: funky things going on, um, and it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: laxa daisical rout, not the kind of running activity that

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00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: any of us would would like to see. And so

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and thirteen that was the case, and

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Speaker 1: I think in two thousand and ten there was a

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00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: quote unquote trickle rut as well, according to these predictions.

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Speaker 1: And I personally did kind of see a little bit

570
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: less exciting rut activity during those two years. Um. But again,

571
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: you know that's just anecdotal. It's just me and in

572
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: my neck of the woods and like you that it

573
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: could be you know, totally different one property over. So

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00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: it's just really hard for any one person to draw

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00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: judgment on that because it's just so location dependent and

576
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: there's all these other factors that affect what we see,

577
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: not necessarily the breeding, but that what we see, and

578
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: I think that is a bigger factor in hunting success

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Speaker 1: than anything personally. That said, before we move on, we

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Speaker 1: need to pause briefly for quick work from work sponsors

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Speaker 1: few weeks, we've been getting to know who and what

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Speaker 1: to ask Sick of product category leader Dennis Suck about

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Speaker 1: a piece of terminology I hear a lot about from SICCA,

586
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: and that is the idea of a system. So here's

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00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Dennis explaining why SIKA takes a system approach to its

588
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: hunting clothing. Yeah, so I mean a system. You know,

589
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: we have different layers that define our systems, and you

590
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: know it starts with that base layer system. So making

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00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: sure you have something that's gonna you know, with moist

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00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: off your skin, provide moisture management and be able to

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00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: carry it up to what that next system is. And

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00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: the next part of the system is our is our

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00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: mid layer or insulation. And some of them are puffy

596
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: insulations and some of them are just you know, a

597
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: real heavy, you know, noncompressible insulation. But so now that

598
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: layer has to be able to take that moisture that

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00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: I bring off the skin and be able to move

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00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: it through it and evaporate if it needs to be.

601
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: It needs to provide a thermal element um and it

602
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: needs to provide me the versatility I need to maybe

603
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: be my hunting piece at some point in the day.

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00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: And then you kind of move that out of where system.

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00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: And that out of our system is your your most

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00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: protective layer, and a lot of people that is their

607
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: clothing system. But really there's other two are really important,

608
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, in that outer where is whether it's protecting

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00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: from the rain, the wind, or um any kind of

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00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: the elements. UM, it's you know, it's your last line

611
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: of defense, and it's the thing that stopping all the

612
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: things that's coming to you or coming into you, or

613
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, the other pieces are about moving things away

614
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: from you, your moisture and protecting you. And we're maintaining

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00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: that warmth that that micro climate we talked about and

616
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: insulating your body. So those are that you know, it's

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00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: the bass layer, it's the mid layer, and it's the

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00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: outerwear piece, and and you know your system over your

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00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: hunting could be combinations of all those, but bass layer

620
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: is one that's pretty uncompromising. If you have one you like,

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00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: and it's the most misunderstood that needs to at least

622
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: be if it's sick or not, make sure you have

623
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Speaker 1: a wicking layer. Make sure it has some sense control aspect.

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Speaker 1: And now back to the show. I I feel that

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Speaker 1: the standard with a scientific the scientific breeding season is

626
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: the most steadfast piece of information that that we have.

627
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: The other predictions are kind of yes, their their their theories, right,

628
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: which have, in my opinion, a little bit less scientific backing,

629
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Speaker 1: because giant box are getting killed every year, right, and

630
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: as hunters, that's what that's what we look four as

631
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, as kind of I guess, uh, what's the

632
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: word I'm trying to I'm trying to think of a

633
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: word here that will help. Let's see, as hunters, we

634
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: we kind of determined, you know, I guess now it's

635
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: Facebook or people killing gear at certain times a year

636
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: will help us determine, you know, if the rut has

637
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: been successful or not. You know, Joe blow on one

638
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: property kills a deer November five, He's going to say that,

639
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, November five was the best it was the

640
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: best day of the year. And then a guy on

641
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: November tent kills another deer. He's going to say that

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00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: the tent was when all honesty, you better be in

643
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: in a tree the first two weeks and maybe even

644
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: later of November. Yeah, yep, yep, I I'm right there

645
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: with you. Um So I wanna I want to pick

646
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: your brain a little bit more about your overall thoughts

647
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: on it, and then I'm gonna give him my final

648
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: opinion on what I think. What is is this year?

649
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: This year's early though, right, that was exactly what I

650
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: was going to bring it. Next is what the el

651
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: Schemer Laroche predictions say for this year. The second full

652
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: moon after the Automcronox, the quote unquote running moon this

653
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: year is October, so that is early. So according to

654
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: these theories or this theory, major sinking behavior. So again,

655
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: for for those listening that maybe aren't familiar with this terminology,

656
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: these are kind of some basic categories given to dear

657
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: behaviors that tend to happen in a sequential order, but

658
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: not really. I mean, this stuff is happening, it's it's

659
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: varied all over the place. You might have, you know,

660
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: in November ten, you might see a buck breeding a doll.

661
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: Same day you might see a buck starting the cruise,

662
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: and you might see another buck that's chasing a doll.

663
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: These things are happening at different times all over the place.

664
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: But um but for the sake of these theories and

665
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: this kind of um rot prediction that el Schemer Laroche

666
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: are doing, they've categorized things in these buckets. So seeking

667
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: is when buck start to do some cruising, and then

668
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: the next phase, which should sort of be happening after

669
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: that cruising behavior begins, will be the chasing. So that's

670
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: when does are getting close enough to est the bucks

671
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: are actually chasing them. And then finally there's the tending phase,

672
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: which is when the actual brading is happening. So with

673
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: that terminology understood, the predictions say that major seeking behavior

674
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: should pick up around October twenty, so that's super early

675
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: compared to some of the other years. Continue until around

676
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: October seven, when major chasing should begin and this peak

677
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: and writing activity will continue around until November three, when

678
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: the tending phase supposed we will be kicking into gear

679
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: continuing on through the tenth So, like you said, Dan,

680
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: that's a lot earlier than many of the other predictions

681
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: in past years have been. Um. And it's earlier than

682
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: the traditional viewpoint, which um, you know, as we've talked about,

683
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: peak brading usually happens in the middle of November, with

684
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: those two weeks leading up to it being when most

685
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: of your seeking, chasing, etcetera is happening. Um. Yeah, So

686
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: that's that's what they're saying for this year. Yeah. I

687
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard because I don't want to believe.

688
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to believe some of this stuff because

689
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: I feel that some people can get two worked up

690
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: about it and and just kind of historical, historical, historical data,

691
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is probably the best to go by

692
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: with with that that first two weeks in November historically

693
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: being when hunters need to take their vacation. So what

694
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: this what this baroque in Alzheimer's or whatever his name is, ahem,

695
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: yeah whatever his Uh, those guys predictions are are now

696
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: going to have guys going should I take the first

697
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: last week of October, in the first week in November

698
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: off work too, or one or the other, you know,

699
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: and then what happens is you're sitting there and maybe

700
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: the weather hasn't changed yet, and then you're you're dealing

701
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: with running activity outside of daylight hours still and because

702
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, as we know, even into the first week

703
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: in November, it can get hot and it can get

704
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: and that can shut it down in my opinion, whether

705
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: it can control or rut. And these deer are just

706
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: they're they're not going to move in daylight hours. Yeah,

707
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: I think here here's my take on all this. I

708
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: think that and again, you know, I share both of

709
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: these theories, and I think to your point, there is

710
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: a risk of that. You know, sometimes these things might

711
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: send people going down a wormhole and get people confused

712
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 1: or you know, change their vacation dates because they follow

713
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: these theories. And I can't claim to know, you know,

714
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: one way or the other. But based on everything I've

715
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: read and everyone I've talked to, and the people that

716
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: are a lot smarter than me, who you know, share

717
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: research and data, I like you would be in the

718
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: camp of you know the fact that the peak of

719
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: breeding is consistent year in and year out based on

720
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: photo photo period. So the timing the amount of daylight

721
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: in a you know, a given day, that change is

722
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 1: consistent and it results in peak brooding happening somewhere around

723
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: mid November, give or tape. That results in those lead

724
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: preceding weeks. The week or two or two and a

725
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: half weeks before that are usually when you see that

726
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: slow and steady rise of activity in running related behaviors, chasing, seeking, fighting,

727
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: et cetera. UM, So that's why I believe, But I

728
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: am not completely saying I don't give any credit to

729
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: the Alsheimer in Laros theory in that I don't have

730
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: anything to back this up except for a little bit

731
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: of anecdotal evidence and what people say. But I do

732
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: think maybe these predictions, maybe the moon phase does impact

733
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of how much of the rutting behavior

734
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: we see during daylight or how intense it is. So

735
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it impacts the breeding at all. I

736
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: think the breeding happens the same every year year. You know,

737
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: science proves that, but I'm open to the possibility that

738
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: maybe the moon phase does to some degree impact how

739
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: much of it, how much of the behaviors that we

740
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, the activity that we want to see, the chasing,

741
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: the daylight movement, cruising all that. Maybe he has an

742
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: impact on that. I don't know, um, some of what

743
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: I see. I used to not give you care one

744
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: bit about the moon phase, all right, until last year.

745
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who our podcast guest was, but they

746
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: started talking about we talked about moon phase, so that

747
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: that weekend ended up following or falling on a on

748
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: a moon phase where the morning activity the moon was

749
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: setting as the sun was coming up, all right, And

750
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: that weekend I saw uh to shoot two mature bucks.

751
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: It was like October seventeenth or something this past this

752
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: past year, and I think, I, you know, I showed

753
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: you the video of that big nine pointer that I

754
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: had encounter with, and then another about a hundred and

755
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: sixty ten pointer. Then he was a six year or

756
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: five year old, and the other one was I think

757
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: of a five or six year old. Two mature bocks

758
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: on their feet in the mornings, okay, and tons of

759
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: tons of dough activity and but not a lot of

760
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: evening movement. So they they they said, you know, when

761
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 1: that when that sun is setting as the or when

762
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: the either the sun setting in the moon's coming up

763
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: or the sun's rising in the moon's going down. If

764
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: you have those type of scenarios, you're gonna see an

765
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: increased increased deer movement. So I made sure I was

766
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: out for those and that theory, as far as from

767
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: what I saw from the tree stand, backed it up.

768
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: And that made me a little bit more of a

769
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: believer as far as dear movement is concerned. Yeah, I

770
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: think come. I think it was Terry Drewy that talked

771
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: to us about that. That rings a bell to me.

772
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: And I think, um, you know me too, based on

773
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: what he said and based on things I've you know,

774
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: read it for a number of other guys, and some

775
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: of the things I've been looking at. Um, I'm more

776
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: and more than looking into that and trying to pay

777
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: attention to it. And it might not be a huge difference,

778
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: but if it's you know, ten extra minutes of daylight

779
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: movement or something like that, you know, sometimes that can

780
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: make the difference. Um. And so that's something I'm intrigued by. Two. Um,

781
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: I think this year, like you did last year, I

782
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: want to pay a little more attention to it. Maybe

783
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: take better notes about what I'm seeing and see how

784
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: the moon phases coinciding with that, and see if I

785
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: can't come up with some better you know, observations and

786
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: um conclusions based on that a little bit. But that's

787
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: something that really takes years to figure out. But all

788
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: that said, I think that there there's something to it,

789
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: maybe when it comes to daylight movement, how much we

790
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: might see or the intensity of that kind of stuff.

791
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: But you know, as we both said, I don't I

792
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: don't see how it could be impacting peak breeding. If science,

793
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: if the biologist studies consistently, you know, show that it

794
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: is not consistent with moon phase. So but like you

795
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: said earlier, those two things, you know, those two you know,

796
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: the scientific and laroche uh theories are are two different things,

797
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: activity versus breeding. Yes, and that's like that's the important

798
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: thing for people to I think too, to take note

799
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: of and to remember that they're talking about two different things.

800
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: And so so my personal opinion on the time of

801
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: the rut is that peak breeding is consistent. But the

802
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: amount of daylight activity that we might see during you know,

803
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: while we're actually hunting that can be impacted by the

804
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: moon phase maybe or most definitely some other factors like participation, temperature, um,

805
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: even things like hunting, pressure and things that can all

806
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: impact the amount of behavior rutting related activities that we

807
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: you know, all um a link with the rut That

808
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: stuff can be impacted by other things. I'm much more

809
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: concerned about weather really personally when it comes to what

810
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: kind of run activity I'm hoping to see more so

811
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: than moonface. So that said, what about these other I

812
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: want to talk a little about these other factors that

813
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: impact the timing or maybe not the timing of, but

814
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: the amount of running behavior that we see. And for

815
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: me personally, Dan, I think temperature and precipitation are the

816
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: two biggest factors that I've seen the impact how much

817
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: running activity I see. What about you? You know, I

818
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: don't know about precipitation, but I can tell you the

819
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: colder it is out there, Dear. I feel that Dear

820
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: getting in a way get uncomfortable, just like humans do

821
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: in some of this weather. And in a way I

822
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: can I can almost see him getting bored sitting in

823
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: one spot, especially when there's the scent of a female

824
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: in the air, and you know, instead of instead of this, um,

825
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: instead of sitting down and you know, just kind of

826
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: waiting it out, They're gonna feel more comfortable. They can

827
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: they can run and just you know, be on their

828
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: feet moving all day long. Burn you know, be more

829
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: comfortable being more active because of the colder weather. And

830
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean this year we saw it. We saw a

831
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: pretty good It's kind of hard because this November was brutal.

832
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: We had a huge snow. You know, we had a

833
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: lot of snow come through. We had extremely cold temperatures,

834
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: way colder than normal. And uh, you know that happened

835
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: like on the eighth or ninth of November, and I

836
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: where I hunt. I mean, there was some good activity

837
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: before then then that then that that storm came and

838
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it it drastically increased the movement,

839
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: but you know we did see different deer in the area. Yeah,

840
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: I uh, I mean I think that it I've I'm

841
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: sure you've seen it too. I think sometimes it does

842
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: drastically increase movement. Um Like for me, if I've got

843
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, if I have the flexibility with my timing,

844
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: like if I had a week of vacation but I

845
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: didn't need a book it two months ahead of time,

846
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: I would almost wait until the beginning of November and

847
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: look at the forecast, and I would I would, you know,

848
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, if you told me, all right,

849
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: I will let you hunt five days, the five days

850
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: when the best cold weather hits um in November. I'm

851
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: not gonna tell you what those days are, but you

852
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: can you can take those five best cold friend days,

853
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: or you can pick some other dates. You know, I

854
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: would gladly, blindly take whatever those best cold front days

855
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: are in November, because I think it makes that much

856
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: of an impact on the movement that we see. Um. Like,

857
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: if you've got a good cold front hitting sometime in

858
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: those first two weeks in November, I would drop everything

859
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: and anything you're doing and make sure you're in the

860
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: woods because usually especially that first one, you know, that

861
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: November three, or maybe it's the eighth, or maybe it's

862
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: the thirty first October or whatever it is, where when

863
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: it goes from that little bit of you know, you're

864
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: starting to see some increased movement, but it's nothing crazy,

865
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden the cold snap hits,

866
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: and then that's just when the ship hits the fan

867
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: and it's like it's on. You have to be in

868
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: the woods on those days. Um, because that's when things

869
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: get special. Yeah, No, I I agree with that. I

870
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: just I just feel that as hunters, we may we

871
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: may overthink some of this stuff. Okay, we're trying to see.

872
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: So far, we've talked about whether, we've talked about moon,

873
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: We've talked about time in the year. We've talked about

874
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, when the breeding cycle is versus the moon phase,

875
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: versus this, versus this. When, to be honest with you,

876
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: I feel that the best intel is from being in

877
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: the tree stand and running your trail cameras and making

878
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: your own decision, in your own hypothesis, because you know,

879
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: these scientists are hunting hunting your timber, you know, Laroche

880
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: and the other guy, they're not they're not hunting your timber.

881
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: And you know, some some years when I've had poor ruts,

882
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: people have been talking about it was the greatest thrust

883
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: they've ever had. There's there's and you you know, we

884
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: preached this all the time. There's no there's there's no

885
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: secret to killing big bucks, all right, There's no Um,

886
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: there's no equation that you can put in that will

887
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: allow you know, this plus this equals big bucks. What

888
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: we what we do know is that the breeding season

889
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: statistically takes place on the same time every year, and

890
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: the events that lead up to that point, in the

891
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,479
Speaker 1: events that we are after that point are the best

892
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: times to be in the timber true story. And I

893
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: think the for me, the consistent thing is be in

894
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 1: the woods as many days as you possibly can during

895
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: that window, for for as many hours as you possibly

896
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: can if you have to. You know, if you only

897
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: have a few days, then looking at these other factors

898
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: becomes important. You know, if you only can hunt four days,

899
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: then you might want to try to be a little

900
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: bit more particular about picking the right four days. And

901
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: that's when I would start saying, Okay, here's when you know,

902
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: this is the two weeks leading up to the peak

903
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: of breeding, all right, So I'm gonna look in that window.

904
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: And then if your believer in the moon face stuff,

905
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: maybe you want to see what he's saying. Maybe not,

906
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 1: It's up to what you believe. And then for sure,

907
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: I'd be paying attention to the weather and if I can,

908
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: if I can land those four days related to some

909
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: kind of weather event that should help pick things up,

910
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, then that could hopefully help you out but

911
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: then like you said, Dan, there's there's so many other things.

912
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: There's you know, what's person, what's happening on your you know,

913
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: specific property which might be different than other places. There's

914
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, herd dynamics can make a big difference in

915
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: the amount of running activity that we see, you know,

916
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: like property where you might hunt right food sources and

917
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: make a big difference. If there's you know, standing corn,

918
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: that's going to change what you see. Lots of times

919
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: people think that a lot of the daily activity happens

920
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: in the thick you know, the corn corn where we

921
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: can't see anything. Um, let's let's do this. Let's do

922
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: this once, Mark Kenyon, you have four days to hunt. Okay,

923
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: let's talk about number one being the most important on

924
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: down what what are the decision the decision making what's

925
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: going to cause you to say, I'm going to take

926
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: these four days. So for example, time of year, moon phase,

927
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: weather and so on. So put put put your your

928
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 1: top whatever in order, and you don't have to sign

929
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 1: up for your vacation days early. You have four days

930
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: to hunt, all right. So I am going to say,

931
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: first I'm looking at the dates between November one. In

932
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: November twelve or November thirt somewhere on there, and then

933
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick the four days where I get the

934
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: cold snap. So I'll probably pick the first big cold

935
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: from the hits. I want to be hunting the two

936
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: to three days after that, and then if there's another

937
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: good cold snap maybe ten days later, maybe it warms

938
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: up the next cold snap, I want to be hunting

939
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: those that day or the next day. Um. Really, that's

940
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: all I need to look at. The moon phase is

941
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: interesting to me, barometer is kind of interesting to me. Um.

942
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: All the different things are are interesting, and I'm curious

943
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: about them, and I think there might be something to them.

944
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: But if all I had to look at were date,

945
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: the time of the year, and the weather the temperature,

946
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: that's enough for me. Um. I guess the only other

947
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: thing I would say is, I do you know, as

948
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: I've talked about before in earlier episodes, at least in

949
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: areas of high hunting pressure a lot of the places

950
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: I hunt, I do think light precipitation does increase dear movement,

951
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: at least because you've got cloud cover and you've got

952
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: maybe a little precipitation, and usually that's you know that

953
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: coincides with a weather front, a temperature change, and a

954
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: pressure change, and I think that's overall, whether it's the

955
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: fact that there's rain, or it's the cloud cover, or

956
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: it's the pressure change or whatever it is, when a

957
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: front comes through that has precipitation, not a huge storm necessarily,

958
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: but some type of precipitation. I do think that helps.

959
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: So for me, when I'm in that November time frame,

960
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the weather obsessively and I'm hunting every

961
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: day no matter what. You know, I'm going to be

962
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: in the woods all day, every day during that period,

963
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: assuming I can you know, can make it work. Um.

964
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: But I'm still paying attention to that weather because when

965
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: I have that front head where the temperature drops out

966
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: and I get a little light rain, that is when

967
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure I'm in my best spots. Um.

968
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: You know, that's a big part of how I adjust

969
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: my rout strategy. Of course, I'm taking into you know,

970
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: actual observations that's gonna affect where I hunt, trial camera pictures,

971
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: that's gonna affect what I hunt, where I hunt. But

972
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm also you know, being careful about when I hunt

973
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: my best spots, even if it's the best time of year,

974
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: that first two weeks of November. If it's seventy five

975
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: degrees and it's November three, should be a great day.

976
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: But if it's seventy five, like you said, Dan, Um,

977
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: that's gonna shut down a lot of the daylight movements.

978
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: So I'm not necessarily wanting to go and blow out

979
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: hunting a great dough betting area. Um. So I'm gonna

980
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: be pay attention to precipitation and weather and on those

981
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: best days, those four best days, like you, you you know,

982
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: asked me, those are days where I'm gonna go in

983
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: early to my very best spots and I'm going to

984
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: be in the woods all there. Right. If I had

985
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: to pick four days without being a look at the weather,

986
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: if you had, if you had me have to predict

987
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: right now, what four days I want to hunt. If

988
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't know anything else except for just the dates,

989
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: I would tell you I want to be out there

990
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: on the tree November four, five, sixth, and seventh, or

991
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: maybe maybe fifth, I'd say, right around there between the

992
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: if I had to pick. It varies, of course, but

993
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: make sure your damn well better being the tree from

994
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: the fourth of November through like the tenth of November.

995
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 1: That time just for me has been consistently great. Anything

996
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: I had to be somewhere in that time from that's

997
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: what I do. So that's me. What about you, if

998
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 1: you had to pick four days now, I'd be curious

999
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: to hear what that would be. And then if you

1000
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: could be flexible and you could look at things, what

1001
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: would those criteria b All right? So I'll just do

1002
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: the same thing that you did. All right. So obviously

1003
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 1: we're talking about the first first you know, the first

1004
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,439
Speaker 1: thing would be dates, you know, based off off of

1005
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: the traditional breeding cycle type ut first two weeks in November.

1006
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: All right. So over the years, I'll tell you, I've

1007
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: seen a ton of good deer uh somewhere around the

1008
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: up until um, the first in November. There's it's almost

1009
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: like there's an early movement. They're not chasing their up

1010
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: and it's almost like they are they're making their territory boundaries.

1011
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: These bucks are they're up working scrapes, they're up, you know,

1012
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: making sure they're going to all their traditional places that

1013
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: they've gone the years before, and they're letting every other

1014
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: animal know, every other deer in the area, knowing I

1015
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: am here. Okay. Then they go you know, they go

1016
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: to their food sources, but they're they're actually going out

1017
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: of their way to lay down sent on trees and

1018
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: on scrapes. Then what happens is, and this is from

1019
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: my experience, I see a little bit of a let

1020
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: off probably from November one, second, third, fourth, somewhere in

1021
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,959
Speaker 1: that area where there's I hate the word law because

1022
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna use it, but it slows

1023
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: down a little bit. And that's when you start seeing

1024
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: your you're one twos, three year olds up and I'm

1025
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: speaking on the properties that I hunt are up and

1026
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 1: moving all right. And then that fifth, sixth, seven, eight,

1027
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: and and and further on you start seeing the bigger,

1028
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: more mature deer. So with that said, if I could

1029
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: hunt four days, I would probably lean towards the eighth, ninth, tenth,

1030
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: and eleventh of November traditional like, based off what I've

1031
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: seen from the tree, and and focus on on those days. Now, granted,

1032
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: if if weather came through, I would I wouldn't want

1033
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: to try to be in the timber right before the

1034
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: cold front. It's and after the cold front heads, so

1035
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: that that evening, let's say a stormfront is is moving

1036
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: in the distance or overnight ones one's coming and you've

1037
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: got to be in the timber twenty four hours before

1038
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: it hits, and then the whole twenty four hours after.

1039
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: That's just when I've seen the deer on their feet.

1040
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: They're feeding aggressively to prepare for you know what. You know,

1041
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: these deer they sit on their bellies if the weather

1042
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: is bad, like if it's raining or if it's snowing heavy,

1043
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: they're they're hunkered down and they just don't move. So

1044
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: that's why they feed on before that and on the rut.

1045
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: That's when you're gonna see if if the weather coincides

1046
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: with those four days that I just talked about, you're

1047
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: gonna see the big boys start following the dose to

1048
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: the food sources or they're ahead of them and their

1049
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: scent checking them down wind. And that is that is

1050
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: what I am going to base my based my four

1051
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: days on. All Right, I like it. That all makes

1052
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. I'm going to take it one

1053
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: step further. Okay, I want you to predict your date

1054
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: this coming year of the best running activity you can see.

1055
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: This is, of course we can't actually do this, but

1056
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: I just want to throw us out. Tell me, what

1057
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: is your prediction for the best day of the rut

1058
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: for you this coming season? Give me a date. Well,

1059
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be November six, seven, or eight, because

1060
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: I'll be at my brother's wedding. I forgot about that. Yeah, right,

1061
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm gonna do, Like I'm gonna

1062
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: be sweating like a heroin addict who's going through rehab,

1063
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be I'm gonna be tweet or texting

1064
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: you the entire time with pictures and updates from what's

1065
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: happening in the stand right right, it's almost cruel, like,

1066
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm gonna act. I'll probably my

1067
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: wife's gonna hate me because I'll be like, let's go,

1068
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: come on, let's go. I gotta I gotta go, I

1069
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: gotta go, We gotta go. I might even try to

1070
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: find a place to hunt up there. Now are you?

1071
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: Are you still gonna stay out and have a good

1072
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: time that night after the wedding. Are you gonna get

1073
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: at home early so you can hunt earlier next morning? Well,

1074
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: it's the wedding is six hours away from where hunt. Yeah, yeah,

1075
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: so bullet to my brain. Okay, but I feel that,

1076
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, although I said that, I almost said that

1077
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: the Laroche magic being approach, you know, versus the scientific approach.

1078
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: I've seen consistency in what they've said, just like you,

1079
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, just like you, I've seen I've seen some

1080
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: kind of consistency. So whether whether there it's just a

1081
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: guess and it's magically you know, aligning. Hey mean, it's aligning.

1082
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: So I'm going to say that my best four days

1083
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: hunting this year, or that's what you wanted four days, right,

1084
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: I wanted one day one day. Okay, it's gonna be

1085
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: my birthday, November five, all right, I like it. I'm

1086
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: going to predict my date will be November seven, November

1087
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: while I'm while I'm at a wedding eating green bean casserole.

1088
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: You're going to be in a tree stand, drawing back

1089
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: on a giant. Now, you gotta tell me what state is.

1090
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: You're hunting multiple states, so what state? Yeah, so that's

1091
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: still a little bit up in the air. But I

1092
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: think I think I'm going to be in Iowa at

1093
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: that time. I think it's kind of tricky. I think

1094
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in Iowa. The first part November, So

1095
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: like October thirty one through the seventh maybe or the sixth,

1096
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: six or seventh, it's gonna be right around that time

1097
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: for him. And then the next day go to Ohio

1098
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: and hunt there from like the eight to um or

1099
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: somewhere around there. That's so it could be. It could

1100
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: be the state. I'm not sure. It depends on It

1101
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: depends on how everything works out. But and I just

1102
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: want to let everybody know that I don't just get like,

1103
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: I don't get aggressive, and I don't in my opinion,

1104
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't think our listeners should either. Granted, everybody has

1105
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: and we say this all the time, everybody has different

1106
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: situations that they're in, right, But I I plant. I

1107
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: I like to align myself where I could potentially kill

1108
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: a mature buck every hunt I go on. Now there

1109
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: are hunts where if my trail cameras and my intel

1110
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: are not showing that the chances of me running into

1111
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: a mature buck are high, I'm gonna go hunt somewhere

1112
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: else and try to kill a dole. But if I'm

1113
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: showing showing a deer crossing this area at a certain

1114
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: time or walking in front of a trail came at

1115
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: a certain time when I see him from an observation

1116
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: stand at a certain time, I'm not I'm gonna wait.

1117
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in and make a move. And if

1118
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: that's October one, or if that's November fifth, I'm going

1119
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, there's something to be said about that.

1120
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: I think it's sort of related to or someone to

1121
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: something you mentioned earlier in the show, when you mentioned

1122
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: that late October time frame. I just want to speak

1123
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: about that time frame, um, just because you got me

1124
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: thinking about just now. Um. But to your point, Dan,

1125
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: if if you have the intel, and especially if you

1126
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: know that a mature that a buck that you're targeting

1127
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: is in an area that he calls this area his

1128
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: core home range somewhere in that you know he's on

1129
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: your property to some degree consistently. And then especially if

1130
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: you have some kind of intel like you said, Dan,

1131
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: that indicates he's moving in daylight during that late October

1132
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: time period, that is possibly the best time in my opinion,

1133
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: to kill a specific buck because because at that time,

1134
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: just like you said earlier, these deers start moving a

1135
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: little more during daylight. They start you know, checking out scrapes,

1136
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: they start checking out the does to a degree, they're

1137
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: not you know, they're not chasing does yet for the

1138
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: most part, they're not you know, ranging all over the place,

1139
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, going to far reaching areas. Yet they're still

1140
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: hanging out in their core area. They're just moving a

1141
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: little bit more during daylight, the ruts just starting to

1142
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: get them feeling a little bit up in Annie. So

1143
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: at that time frame, in my opinion, you've gotta strike

1144
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: if you know that the iron is hot, because if

1145
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: you don't, if you wait to go into there until

1146
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: November five or eighth or whatever, they might be chasing

1147
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: does a mile away or something. You know, at that point,

1148
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: all the patterns are out the window to most, you know,

1149
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: for the most part. Um, So for me, if if

1150
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: I get to that last week in October, and if

1151
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: I have got that information, have got some intel that

1152
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: indicates he could be you know, he's consistently in the area,

1153
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: and then for me, really the kicker again as that

1154
01:04:58,640 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: as it always is for me, if I get a

1155
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: all front the hits boom, I'm going in there after

1156
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: him because I think, um, that's a dynamite time to

1157
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: to do one of those what I kind of what

1158
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: I heard from someone and I No, I would like

1159
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: to say, is this drone strike type hunt where you

1160
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: get all the information, you get all the intel, and

1161
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: then you strike hard and fast right when you think

1162
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: the going is good. So that's not really related to

1163
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: rut prediction theories, but that's an important thing to remember,

1164
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: is that the best hunting, not not always, is going

1165
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: to be those two weeks in November. Sometimes it can

1166
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: be leading up to it, but you know, and that's

1167
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: the pre rut, which in my opinion is part of

1168
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: the up. Yeah, so you know, I almost I almost

1169
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: think of it as do you remember in grade school

1170
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,439
Speaker 1: you had these chemicals that were in like a rectangular

1171
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: case and they're just different layers in in the layer

1172
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: because they had different a different molecular structure and if

1173
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: you shake it up and then they would slowly go

1174
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: back to seeing layers again, do you do you know

1175
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Like oil and water? Right? Yeah,

1176
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: oil and water. Right, So I almost think of it

1177
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: like like that. All right, you have oil and water

1178
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: and that's for the most part all of October. Right.

1179
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: You can pattern a deer pretty easy. Um, if you

1180
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: had the right utensils and had the time to do so,

1181
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: then the then like the beginning of the rut, hits

1182
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: right and you shake it up and it's it's complete

1183
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: chaos in the woods. Bucks are are jockeying for dominance,

1184
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: dose are in somewhat still of a pattern, but are

1185
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:35,439
Speaker 1: affected by this this new pressure from these deer, from

1186
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: these bucks going crazy in the woods. Then you know,

1187
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: a hierarchy is reached. Bucks start knowing who. You know this,

1188
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, Fred versus Joe versus Brandy. You know, they

1189
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: know who who, Who's who, they know who's dominant. And

1190
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: then it all kind of settles down again and the

1191
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: big bucks get their doughs, they go do what they do,

1192
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: and then the you know, there's there's a there's kind

1193
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: of of the chaos lessons in my opinion, and and

1194
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: it lessons although there's a lot of activity running around

1195
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: and stuff, there's still some there's less chaos towards towards

1196
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: that that end of that second week of November. I

1197
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: don't know if that makes sense. In my head, it did,

1198
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: but I think that's how most things are for you, Dan, right, No,

1199
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: I I hear what you're saying. I think another important

1200
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: thing to note, um, you know, because I think to

1201
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: your point you know, based on some of the data

1202
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: we've been talking about, a lot of that breeding, at

1203
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: least in the areas that we hunt, is happening during

1204
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: the middle of November, and so there's gonna be a

1205
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: little bit of a letdown in regards to the running

1206
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: around chaos because there's a lot more bucks para double

1207
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: dough is breeding. But I think another, um, slightly less

1208
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: heralded time of the year for success, especially on big

1209
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: mature box is a week week and half after that period,

1210
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: um that I've just started to, you know, see some

1211
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: some increased activity being that you know, November. Um. You know,

1212
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: from what I've heard from people, you know, with more

1213
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: experience than me, and from what I've seen too, is

1214
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: especially the mature, the really mature bucks, they tend to

1215
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: get back up on their feet after they did a

1216
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 1: lot of their breeding in middle of November. They tend

1217
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: to get back up one more time and cruise a

1218
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 1: little bit more towards that last period of time because

1219
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: they know there's going to be another door or two

1220
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: that still would be receptive. Um. So I've had some

1221
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: some good activity and I've seen I've had some good encounters.

1222
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: I had an encounter with Jawbreaker two years ago on

1223
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: November I think UM at one or two o'clock in

1224
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: the afternoon, UM during that time period. So it's definitely

1225
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: worth getting back out there and hunting that late November

1226
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: period because you can still see some of that cruising activity. UM.

1227
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: So something to keep in mind as well. And and

1228
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: so what we've discussed today is a four week period, okay,

1229
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 1: and and and guys out there, you know, especially from

1230
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, the Nine Finger Chronicles talking to people and

1231
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm you know, talking through the wire to hunt um podcast,

1232
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you know, guys don't have four weeks vacation.

1233
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: Guys don't have three weeks vacation. Guys barely have two

1234
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: weeks of vacation, you know. The guys I talked to, Hey,

1235
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: I got five days of vacation I can use for hunting.

1236
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: The rest go to the family, or I don't get

1237
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: anything else. So it's it's so hard to tell you

1238
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: the listeners right now, have you have got to do

1239
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: your research, watch that, watch those weather patterns and know

1240
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: if you're in the Midwest, you know, because we didn't

1241
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: even talk about the South, and I don't feel comfortable

1242
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 1: talking about the South, because I've never hunted to the

1243
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: south and they have. They have a rut, what's like

1244
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: December and January. It's it's regional for everything, understand it.

1245
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 1: It's different in different areas. And there's also crazy stuff.

1246
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm sorry to everyone in the southern parts

1247
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: of the country that me and Dan can't give you

1248
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: any more helpful information. But I can say that the

1249
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 1: Larosian al Shimer do offer some thoughts on that, um,

1250
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: so check out their their calendar. I would say the

1251
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: principles are the same, though you don't yes and no

1252
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: though um because like there's from what I'm reading and

1253
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: stuff there, it's not necessarily consistent, like they don't. There's

1254
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: not a consistent peak breeding in most or in all

1255
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: areas down there at least, um. But I can't speak

1256
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: to I don't even understand it myself well enough. But

1257
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: there is some literature out there. There are a number

1258
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: of articles I've read, So go out there and do

1259
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: some googling, um, and you can probably hear from someone

1260
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: who knows more than me. But it's a whole, another whole,

1261
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: another issue. Watch the time of here, watch the weather,

1262
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: if you believe in the moon, watch the moon and

1263
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: make your move. Yeah. Yeah, I think if if anything else,

1264
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: or if nothing else, spend as many hours in the

1265
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 1: trees you possibly can during you know, during November, in

1266
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: the last week of October. In my opinion, if you've

1267
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: got the vacation time, if you can pull it off,

1268
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: be in the tree. Um. If I had to pick

1269
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: a time, you know, we already talked about those days.

1270
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: If I had to pick a date, if I had

1271
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: an arrow down, it's say, give me the first two

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01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: weeks in November. Um. But it's different everywhere. There's lots

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Speaker 1: of factors. But like you said, Dan, you gotta pay

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01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: attention to the weather and do the best you can

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01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: and uh, put your butt in the tree. And if

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01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: you're like if you're like Dan, hunting all day is

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01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: a tough thing to do, but try to do it

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01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: because I think it does. It can help, especially when

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01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: we sit here and we dream about hunting all day

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01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: or all year in February, in April, in June, in August,

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01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: when the ruts on, spend as much time as you

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01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: possib we can be out there. Because I know that

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01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: in February you were dreaming of being in that tree stand.

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01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,759
Speaker 1: So take advantage of the time when you got it. Yeah, buddy,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and it just hit me. It's just like,

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01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, if you're hardcore like we are, just

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01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: just I really wish I had to stop watch for

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01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: every time I did something hunting related or thought about

1289
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:29,919
Speaker 1: something hunting related. How much actual time that I consume

1290
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: doing this. It's crazy And we don't want to document

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01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: that because our wives would not be happy. Yeah, I'm

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01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: glad my wife doesn't listen to this podcast. For a while,

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01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: I had my wife helped me edit these podcasts, and

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01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: I shut that down real quick when she started hearing

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01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: what we talked about. So so yeah, um, I'm stoked.

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01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: I am every every episode we say it. But I'm

1297
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: just getting more and more excited. And uh, it's gonna

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01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 1: be here before we know it, right, I mean, I

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: have to, like, I have to stare, step my stell

1300
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: myself right because I just took my bow to the

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01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 1: shop because my kisser button flew off and now my

1302
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: peep site has been rotating in my string all right,

1303
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: so that sucks, and I gotta get that all that

1304
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: set up again. I got my arrows fletched, all right.

1305
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: I have a target set up in my backyard. Now

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01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: I can shoot up to like forty yards and then

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01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: I have to move it to shoot up to sixty

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01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: and uh. And you know, I'm getting in shape for

1309
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: our mule deer hunt and I'm checking trail cameras for

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01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: white tails, you know. So I got a weak planned

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01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: in September for me and you to go up into

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01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: Idaho mountains and chase a mule leaves. And then we

1313
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 1: got I'm gonna have like a vacation, a wedding in

1314
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: a vacation for hunting, and it's gonna it's kind of

1315
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of a blessing in disguise because that second

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01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: at the beginning of that second week, you know how

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01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: exhausted we are. It's the grind hits you and it's

1318
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, why am I doing this

1319
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: to myself? You know? And then you see a big

1320
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: bucket makes it all better. But I think that might

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01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: actually help me until I go check my trail cameras

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01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 1: and there's a giant standing in front of my tree

1323
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: stand at forty yards while I'm giving a best man speech.

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01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: That will be that will be brutal. Yep. Yeah, well,

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01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: hopefully you'll you'll kill big one just before just after

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01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: that and uh maybe uh maybe I will too. Could

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01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: be a good year facts back years from Mark Kenyon.

1328
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: I hope, so we'll see. I'm hoping for two this year.

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01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 1: I want to get one down in Iowa and Ohio.

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01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 1: That's my goal. So that's my goal. Well, I think, yeah,

1331
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: thank you. I think it's time to shut this down though,

1332
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,839
Speaker 1: because I've got the new uh white tail Madness devity

1333
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, ice cold beer with my name on it

1334
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: waiting for me. So I'm gonna say, let's close up shop,

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01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: end this episode. I think it's episode sixty one. Um

1336
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: so with said a couple updates again. We mentioned it

1337
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 1: last week, but f y I. Wired Hunting details are

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: now available for sale at wired hunt dot com slash shop.

1339
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: Check those out. They're pretty cool. If you haven't left

1340
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: a review yet for the podcast and you have some

1341
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: thoughts and feedback on it, we would love to hear

1342
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 1: from you. You can do that on iTunes or feel

1343
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: free to tweet us. Um you know my Twitter handles

1344
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: at Wired Hunt Uh Dan's is what's your Twitter handle? Again? Uh?

1345
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: Fort Worth nine fingers? There you go hit us up

1346
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 1: on Twitter. We love hearing from you there or on Facebook. Um,

1347
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: when I post this podcast blog on our Facebook page

1348
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: Wired or Facebook dot com slash Wired Hunt, I want

1349
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: to hear your predictions for the best four days of

1350
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: the RUT, so I'll ask that question on Facebook. We

1351
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 1: want to hear from you. Give us your predicted best

1352
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: four days for the two thousand fifteen RUT. Would be

1353
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 1: interested to see if they match up at all of

1354
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: what me and Dan said. So that all said, before

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01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: we shut things down, have to thank our partners who

1356
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,640
Speaker 1: helped make this podcast possible. So big. Thank you too,

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01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: Sick of Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Huntera, maps, Ozonics,

1358
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 1: Carbon Express, Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tail Institute of

1359
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 1: North America. Thank you to them, and thank you for

1360
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: supporting those companies who helped make the wartime possible, for

1361
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: the white podcast possible. And finally, thank you, guys and

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01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: girls all for joining us. I hope you're as excited

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01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: as me and Dana are about the RUT. And uh,

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01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, like Dan said, there's lots of work to do,

1365
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: so get out there, get ready, and of course, as always,

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Speaker 1: stay wired to Hunt.