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Speaker 1: Please be advised this story contains adult content and graphic language.

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Speaker 1: But they hear the other thing that I did. Um,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't let him's body be foun until I cut

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Speaker 1: Nature's better. Welcome to Sleuth. I'm Linda Sawyer. On this

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Speaker 1: episode of Sleuth, you will hear for the first time,

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Speaker 1: in his own words, double murderer Daniel Wozniak describe in

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Speaker 1: detail the events leading up to his murderous crimes. Sleuth

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Speaker 1: has exclusively obtained three actual jailhouse calls Daniel Waznick made

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Speaker 1: to Rachel Buffett before after his confession to the Costa

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Speaker 1: Mesa Police for murdering both Sam Hair and Julie Kibuishi.

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Speaker 1: Sleuth invited Wozniak lead detective Mike Cohen, who was instrumental

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Speaker 1: in procuring a confession from Daniel Wozniak. He's here with

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Speaker 1: us to share his firsthand insights into each conversation between

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Speaker 1: the convicted lovers. Good day, Detective Michael Cohen. Welcome to Sleuth.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing. I'm doing well, sir, And how

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Speaker 1: about yourself. Very good, Very good. Well, I'm so grateful

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Speaker 1: that you have given us this time today to analyze

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Speaker 1: these calls that were I call them the jailhouse calls, Detective,

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Speaker 1: because they were the calls that were recorded from the

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Speaker 1: Costa Mesa Police Department on the day that you actually

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Speaker 1: it was the morning after you guys had arrested Daniel

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Speaker 1: Wozniak for us, we after the fact, because at the time,

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Speaker 1: you still believed that Sam Hair might have been the

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Speaker 1: Daniel was helping him. So that's really all you knew

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Speaker 1: at that point, and it wasn't until you brought him

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Speaker 1: am so glad that you're here to help me analyze

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Speaker 1: these calls for our listeners today, and I'd like to start,

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Speaker 1: if we can, with the first call and give us

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Speaker 1: a sense, Detective, do you have an idea in the

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Speaker 1: whole scheme. I know, I know it's been a while now,

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Speaker 1: it's been a long time, but do you have a

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Speaker 1: know that you brought him in Wednesday night and it

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Speaker 1: was pretty late Wednesday night and started questioning him, and

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Speaker 1: then I think that early morning, hours after Rachel had left,

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Speaker 1: So I feel like the calls happened that Thursday. Uh,

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Speaker 1: interrogation do you believe that these calls began? Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: we had put Daniel Warzniak back into his jail cell

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Speaker 1: nothing to the murders, right, Yes, that's correct. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: reconvene and talk about the call. But this call basically

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Speaker 1: with the I didn't kill anybody. I was just helping Sam.

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Speaker 1: what's going on? What do you want me to do?

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know me. What did you do?

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Speaker 1: I helped him cover up and help him get him drugs.

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Speaker 1: Why on earth would you try and cover for him

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Speaker 1: I've I've already admitted to them that I helped cover

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Speaker 1: you realize the recording of the phone conversation and anyways,

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Speaker 1: you're being an absolute asked to try and lie again? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I am, because they're stuck in there. The simplemly means

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Speaker 1: something else with Sam, something bad. Um, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: the credit card scheme. They already know all about it. No, No,

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Speaker 1: a murder weapon. I don't know what you're talking about

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Speaker 1: Then I don't want you to tell the detective anything,

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Speaker 1: you're already dead. It was more than pred What else

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Speaker 1: was it? Tim has? What do you think he has

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Speaker 1: to think? What I did with it? To both? Why?

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Speaker 1: Like I said that, I'm done, I'm done. I'm really done.

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Speaker 1: Um wait? Why do I was trying to cover it up?

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Speaker 1: And now I'm going away from life? What did you do?

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Speaker 1: When did when did we fall asleep? Last night and

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Speaker 1: last night? But that Friday night, Friday night, we got

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Speaker 1: what were you supposed to be doing on Saturday? Um?

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Speaker 1: But why do you what do you mean apparently they

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Speaker 1: do something right now and you're not gonna see me

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Speaker 1: for the rest of your life? Do you understand that? No? No,

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Speaker 1: I have to tell the truth on what I did,

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Speaker 1: and I think you don't know what it is, and

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Speaker 1: it's bad. Imagine the worst, and that's what I did.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to tell me first? Or are you

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Speaker 1: you pig? You could probably tell them first. You come

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Speaker 1: coming down to the station right now. Okay, because you

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Speaker 1: should follow them first, but I want to hear it

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Speaker 1: are you? How far away? I'm I'm on I'm on

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Speaker 1: Broon West and it's twenty two. Get here right now,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna I'm telling you right now, babe, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna hate me. Okay, I'm sure they, but you know

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm not a good person. Start driving now

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Speaker 1: Did you call the detective? I did, and he told

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Speaker 1: So because of that, I now have life. No, baby,

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Speaker 1: Were you rowing with them at all? No, there weren't

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Speaker 1: of say, police are jail or mental institution. Well, think

426
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: about what's going to be. Guys can make a good choice.

427
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: Start thinking. My life is over, baby. I just want

428
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: you to know about And I'm sorry. I couldn't be

429
00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: the man that you needed. Okay, Okay, So maybe why

430
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: do you leave your family? Then I'm crazy? That's why

431
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: you left them? Because you're crazy because I hate confrontations

432
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: because they required too much out of me and I

433
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: couldn't deliver. And the main reason that I left them

434
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: is I almost reached the point where I almost killed them.

435
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: Did you almost reach your point where you killed me? No? Never,

436
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: I promise you were my only light? Oh baby, why

437
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: why didn't you? I can't say you needed mental health

438
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: earlier because of confrontation and failure and I'm a bad

439
00:31:53,560 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: boy and I don't know the pathological virus for a

440
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: reason because I don't want to admit it. You're never

441
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: gonna see me again. Maybe you're gonna see me again.

442
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come do you all the time. But maybe

443
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: we'll figure this out. Okay, we're gonna figure this out.

444
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna be in there for a while, but it's

445
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. We'll figure it out and we'll try

446
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: and get movie. The first thing we need to do

447
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: is get you some mental health and then see what's

448
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: going on? Are you? Are you? Maybe will get you

449
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: a good lawyer and a good psychiatrist and we'll figure

450
00:32:50,480 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: this out. M D. So no, I'm I'm coming to

451
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: see you. Uh a last and there you were. I'm

452
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: a Hawaii and dire MacArthur where we down that one

453
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: night where we ran out of gas. Mm hmm. Maybe

454
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: this is gonna be okay. You know what I want

455
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: need to start doing work. I need you to start praying.

456
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: M hm hm hmmm. I sound like my fucking mother

457
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: right now. And I know, but as soon as you

458
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: stop believing in God and morals, you started getting sucked

459
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: up in the head. So I want you to start

460
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: praying and started thinking about it, and I'm gonna be

461
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: right there. Oh how long? M h how long? And

462
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: time there? Um um? What is the next bit? I

463
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: can't think? Do you know? That's how they'll talk on

464
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: We always passed coming from into nine on tupy five.

465
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: Mm hmm maybe mm hmmm mm hmm. Maybe I can

466
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: highly hear you on this phone. All I can hear

467
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: is you crying? Are you laughing out? M h marabe.

468
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: Maybe it took this to flicking. Yeah, you offen straighten

469
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: me out? I don't know. Mm hmmmmmmmm h m. I

470
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: don't love you very much for you to move forward

471
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: every one of My Wife movie after this whole experience

472
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: here the eye that I will never be able to

473
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: touch us like a single fucking person in my life.

474
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: M M. I love you, baby, mm hmmmmm. He was

475
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: so insane and so stupid. Yeah, I know when you're cindude,

476
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: little mind, we were doing it. I wanted to be

477
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: happy with me and I hate you for throwing it up,

478
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: but and hearing on the quarl by right now, I

479
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: was there wherever I can't hear you. We're am I

480
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: we're point hold on again, Emma working the point? Where

481
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: are you know? You're in good meat? M in a

482
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: street here on stare right rot the feet from the down.

483
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: This is not really closs feet. Kay. Hello, don't want

484
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: to talk to you about m okay, I am. I'm

485
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: getting off out of Harbor right now. So there's like

486
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 1: get maybe mm hmm, what do I okay, I'll I'll call,

487
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: I'll call you. Well, i'll see you today. As I

488
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: get in, I guess i'll just clean let the set.

489
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: Where do I go? Yeah? Well, I mean maybe they

490
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: pull off wait for me to get there. I want

491
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: to know it. Okay, I love you. I'll be like,

492
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yea baby, what do you want? Don't don't

493
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: ever when that's what I'm not getting off the freeway

494
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: right now on vera Yeah you know, I mean, yeah, okay,

495
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: because I love I love the stop sign right now,

496
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: Andy to get off the freeway. That's a pretty powerful

497
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: call that it is. I mean, how cookie are these

498
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: two that they think you can with a checkbox? I

499
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: think would you rather choose prison or mental institution. Check one.

500
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't really work that way, does it, Detective. It doesn't.

501
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't. And I think this is where he's starting

502
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: to realize I'm going away and I need to figure

503
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: something out and start to try to, Yeah, the gigs up.

504
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: I need to try to implement my life story where

505
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: I've had a terrible childhood and I'm crazy I was

506
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna kill my parents and do all that sort of stuff.

507
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: Because he's trying everything now to kind of decide, Okay,

508
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: I know if I go to the biggot house, I'm

509
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: going to prison. That's not really where I want to go.

510
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: I want to go to I call a club man,

511
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: to the mental institute. So and he's starting to realize

512
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: I gotta start making myself look like I'm not all there,

513
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: but unfortunately he is all there. It reminded me of

514
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: a case I had covered a while back on the Hillside.

515
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: Strangler and Ken Biankie decided once they really started between

516
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: the police up in Washington and the Los Angeles police,

517
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: they really were closing in on him, so to speak,

518
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he came up with this

519
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: multiple personality disorder right that he didn't know that he

520
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: had killed these women because he had different personality, so

521
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: how could he know. And it's the same here. You

522
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: hear Dan saying, you know, I really was starting to

523
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: hear voices ever since I left my family, and uh, yeah,

524
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: you could see that coming right, Oh, absolutely, yeah, you

525
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: can see it. He's changing his whole demeter from now

526
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: the gig's up, and now I gotta try to salvage

527
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: my life somewhat. So I'm not going to go to

528
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: the the prison. I need to go somewhere where I

529
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: can try to survive the rest of my life. And

530
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: that's the mentally instituted And she you can tell she

531
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: is smarter than him. She she was even still trying

532
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: to get him too confirm that Sam didn't. She said,

533
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: why did Sam do this? And and and at that

534
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: point he was actually being honest for the first time,

535
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: probably in a long time in his life, and he

536
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: said he didn't. He didn't do it, even though in

537
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: the previous call he had told Rachel that with that gun,

538
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: that gun that Tim told you about it, imagine the

539
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: worst that I did with it to both of them.

540
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he basically told her, Yep, he did. He

541
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: did he got out, told her right there. When that

542
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: evidence is found, what's in that evidence is what I

543
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: did to both of them. I mean, basically told her

544
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: right there. It's like it just kind of went over

545
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: her her brain and U but she knew it that

546
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: And that's where I was just going to get here.

547
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: I believe that she really knew all the details of

548
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: what happened. It's just here she's just trying to cover

549
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: herself and make sure of that he's not going to

550
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: implement her implicate her in any way. And the real

551
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: example that is to me just so egregious is when

552
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: Dan you can tell, I mean, he's crying from the

553
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: bottom of his toes, right, I mean, he's recognizing what

554
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: what he's done and where he's going, and there's no

555
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: turning back yet, there's no remorse for the victims. It's

556
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: all he was crying for himself. But then her response

557
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: is just so cold and calculating. She she says, I

558
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: love you, baby, but you're insane and stupid. And after

559
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: this experience, I realized now I'll never be able to

560
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: be touched by another single person in my life. It

561
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: was just nothing about him. It was all about her

562
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: and then the line that really got me was, I

563
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: know she's speaking to Dan, You're twisted mind did this

564
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: to make me happy, and I really hate you screwing

565
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: it up? Mm hmm. I mean if that is not

566
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: just characterize Rachel Buffett oh proctivity. Yes, I mean she again,

567
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: as you can tell us, she's talking to him very nonchalantly.

568
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,959
Speaker 1: She's not considering any of the victims in this, saying

569
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: I can't believe you killed these two people. I can't

570
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: nothing remorse exactly yet nothing, no remorse, no, nothing. She

571
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: just kept intervening with him as to she's just covering

572
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: her basis to make sure that she doesn't get implicated whatsoever.

573
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: And you can totally see it in the conversations with

574
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: each other, and it's unfortunate, but she's definitely covering her

575
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: butt from day one and from every every aspect that

576
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: she's being interviewed by detectives and even on these phone cults.

577
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: You can tell one of the percent that she's trying

578
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: not to be getting involved with any part of this,

579
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: even though she knew a lot. I probably knew it all, absolutely,

580
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: I knew it all. And it's just the idea that

581
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: she's suggesting that she loves this man, that she was

582
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: going to marry this man. I mean, she's having this

583
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: conversation with her groom to be. They were they were

584
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: getting married the next day, and she's all she can

585
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: talk about is how he has screwed up her life

586
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: forever and how why did you have to screw this up?

587
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: You could have done this and made me happy, but

588
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: you screwed it up. And so so now now I'm

589
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: going to be faced with what I believe she was

590
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: trying to suggest, is that no matter if she's going

591
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: to prison or not, she's going to live her life

592
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: in somewhat of a prison cell, right because between social

593
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: media and honestly, anybody that googles her name, right, I mean,

594
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: this is going to come up. She will be for

595
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: the rest of her life connected to this case. And

596
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: that's all she's thinking about at that moment. Absolutely, absolutely one.

597
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: She knows that her life is going to be completely

598
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: ruined by socially, it's gone. If she even tries to

599
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: find a job or do anything, it's all. This is

600
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: all going to be on her table every day of

601
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: her life. And uh, and she gets she knows that

602
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: big time. There's no doubt in my life, which is

603
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: why she was crying. She wasn't crying for Julie Quibi.

604
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: She she wasn't crying to Sam Hair. She was crying

605
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: for Rachel Buffett. Absolutely, as you can tell, you know,

606
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: there's no remorse whatsoever for any of the victims. Just

607
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: it's about them too. And then two over. So this

608
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: last call, Detective happened after Dan. You went to the

609
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: Allen and brought Dan back into one of your interrogation rooms,

610
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: and at that point everything unraveled and he confessed to everything,

611
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: to killing both Sam and Julie, and went into some

612
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: detail with you and Detective Delgado. And now this call

613
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: that takes place was when you put him back in

614
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: the jail cell and he picked up the phone to

615
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: call Rachel for the last time. Let's listen, okay. After

616
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: the tone, please state your first and last name. Don't

617
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: think what's wrong? Answer? This call is being recorded and

618
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: maybe monitored. Your called party is being informed of this

619
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: as well prior to accepting the call. Please continue to

620
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: hold while we attempt to locate your party. This may

621
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: take up the sixty seconds to complete. Ye, this call

622
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: is being recorded and maybe monitored. Baby, where are you

623
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: I'm here still. They won't let me see you though,

624
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: because you already told them. What do you mean? They

625
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: they said that I can't see you now. You you

626
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: already told them everything, and I can't talk to you

627
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: now because next time I'll be able to talk to

628
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: you is when you're all filed and everything at county

629
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: and then I can go during visiting a visiting hour. No, no, no,

630
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: what do you mean though? Can you change that I'm

631
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: still here? No? Tell them, tell him you just talked

632
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: to me on the phone and that was the deal.

633
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll listen. Maybe because you already, you

634
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 1: already told them everything. They have nothing, You have nothing

635
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: to barter with. Now, why didn't you wait until I

636
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: was there? They wouldn't let me. They said there was

637
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: there was a word that she could see me afterwards.

638
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: Oh baby, I don't know what to do. Stamic Hey,

639
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: why right? Hey? Baby? Baby? He hello? Hello? Hello, hello baby? Yeah,

640
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,959
Speaker 1: they're not gonna let me see you. I don't think

641
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: say good bye, do you? Baby? I'm so sorry I

642
00:48:54,239 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: did this? Did you really? Yeah? M why? How? Um?

643
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 1: I want to I want to tell you my whole

644
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: life real quick. It doesn't take that long. Okay, yeah,

645
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: go ahead, because maybe every time you call me I

646
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: I get twenty minutes. So take it all up, okay. UM,

647
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: my insurance job, it didn't go well at all. I

648
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: never owned any offices, I never managed any offices. That

649
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 1: was a lie, okay. Um. I was just a small

650
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: agent for Triple A and realized that I was going

651
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: on commission and it scared the hell out of me.

652
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: So I couldn't do it. Uh huh, So what do

653
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 1: you do do I am? I don't know what I did.

654
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: I tried to find myself and that's when I'm going

655
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: back home with the focus. Do you only income that

656
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: I was getting was from Gourmet Detectives When I first

657
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: started dating you. All the phone calls, but I made

658
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: to like people who were doing splits and everything like that.

659
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: They were all fake phone calls. I just faked it

660
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: to look good in front of you because I didn't

661
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: think I deserved you. Okay, all that was fake. And

662
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: the problem is I can't hold down a job and

663
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: I can't go to school because, um, I have some

664
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: mental problems, I really do. I can't focus, I can't

665
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: say straight, I can't rationalize things like a normal human dust.

666
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: So have you ever been diagno training of this or

667
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: you didn't know you have it? I just feel it.

668
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I saw a psychologist when I was younger.

669
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: Why were you in tricks then when you were young? Why? What?

670
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: Why were you on CRIS when you were young? That's

671
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: where I went to school, but that was like a

672
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: higher educational thing. I am. I got into PRESSED in

673
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: the Gate program, but my last two years I just

674
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: got in because I think my mom pulled some strings.

675
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't in the class and NUCM Academy the only

676
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: reason I got in because I'm sure my mom paid

677
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: him off and then we got a different edger so

678
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: I could get the inter district transfer. What's how long

679
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: is job he ever had? Um? We've probably done a

680
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: triple A for about five months. You were never with

681
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: Farmers when I was with Farmers for maybe a week

682
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: if that. How have you lived in San Diego? I

683
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: never lived in San Diego. I don't have a condo there.

684
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: There's no mark. There is no sixteen th dollars c

685
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: D in my bank count. It doesn't existing before. So

686
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: you never were You never spent that much time in

687
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: San Diego? What about all your stories, maybe all the girls.

688
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: You're the third woman I've been within my entire life

689
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: that would have belike to you better for that? Are

690
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: you gonna realize that I've only been with three women?

691
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: You're my third and you would mine as well, and

692
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 1: I would have liked you got it to that, you know. Um?

693
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else? Um? Just so you know

694
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: what happened the record? Um? Have they told you anything?

695
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: They told me what you said? Well, I'd like to

696
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: hear it from here now. Um. When Sam helped me

697
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: pay for the rent, I got a glance at his

698
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: bank account and saw the PI and I saw him

699
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: punching his pin number, and you know the state that

700
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: I was in of desperation. M h um, you're baby?

701
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: Are you sitting down? Yeah? Please don't think any less

702
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: than me after I tell you this, because this is

703
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: not a good story, Okay, but you need to know.

704
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: I called him and said, let's go down to the

705
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: theater on the base and I had my dad's done,

706
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 1: so we loaded and when I took him up into

707
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: the attic, I shot him two times in the back

708
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: of the head, and then I grabbed his credit cards

709
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: and I grabbed Wesley and we took money out of

710
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: his accounts. How how was Leslie involved? How did you

711
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: get him involved? I called him because he was under age,

712
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: so I figured they couldn't come after him if he

713
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: was under age. And plus there was no real connection

714
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: except my phone, which I didn't even think about. So

715
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: so right, get this, say, how did he know? Did

716
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: he know what you were doing or what he was saying?

717
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: What you no? I told him that I got a

718
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: new job working for a bail bondsman, and so these

719
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: guys were are on the loose, and we were able

720
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: to obtain their credit cards and we deplete their bank

721
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: accounts to um get the money to they olfer bail.

722
00:54:54,440 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: And he bought it and he's until it long wow,

723
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: and then okay, you can still hear me at yeah,

724
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: And that's when I started to panic. That's when I

725
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: came home that afternoon, all flustered and panicked because I

726
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: knew that I left everything at the crime scene, and

727
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: I was really worried over Pam's thing. And then I

728
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: knew it was only a matter of time before they

729
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: found that. So I had to make it look like

730
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: Sam was really like a wanted man. So I had

731
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: a cell phone. I started texting Julie saying come over

732
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: tonight at midnight, because I knew we would be home

733
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: from the show. And how did that noticing? Yeah, I know,

734
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: I know what I know. I'm explaining it. I went

735
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: where there were absolutely no cameras. They couldn't be seen.

736
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: I um. I made sure you were wrestled on the couch,

737
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: and I covered you up in your linked and tried

738
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: to putting ediously. Remember you were watching them in black

739
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: her family guy mm hmm. And I tried making your

740
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: rest and cost week by giving you in the size.

741
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: And I made sure that the blinds were closed in

742
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: the living room. And I said, I'm gonna go in

743
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: and take a shower, and I started the water, I

744
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: changed my clothes, I jumped out the back, all on

745
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: the floor, hopped over the fence, went upstairs. Julie was waiting.

746
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: I opened up the door of Sam's apartment and shot

747
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: her twice in the back of the head. Wrote fuck you,

748
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: she's yours on the back to make it look like

749
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: there was a violent act regarding sexcuse I cut her

750
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: pants and had a gun. I don't know. I got lucky.

751
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: You were right down there, but I made sure that

752
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: the volume was loud so you wouldn't hear it. And

753
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: then I went back down the stairs. I put all

754
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: my clothes in a pile. I hopped out into the

755
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: shower real quick to wash off briefly, and I came

756
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: outside and tell you when you were still laying there,

757
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: and then we went to take the shower together. I'm

758
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: not a good person, baby, I just can't understand why

759
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: you have to do all that stuff from the jet go.

760
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,479
Speaker 1: I would have liked to without op wives if you would,

761
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: just if you would just trying to do something like

762
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: yet so with me, I know, and maybe I just

763
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: I need you to do something. I need you to

764
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: find a way to kill me. What maybe I can't live.

765
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: You gotta understand this. I can't live like this. I'm

766
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: going crazy and it's on May Day one. I need

767
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: to die. Maybe there's no possible way I can do that,

768
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: And there's no possible way I would. I'll come visit

769
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: you all the time, and then trying to get your parents.

770
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: Don't you like everything? You mean? Like a psychiatrist and

771
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: a good lawyer and everything. See what the best says

772
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: we can do. But I've already, concus, what's the point.

773
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: You don't write anything down, don't find anything, like you

774
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: have a lawyer. They have me on the reported. I

775
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: know it doesn't matter, just but you are mentally unwell.

776
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: So you said several things right now, So who says

777
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: one thing it's truthful and one thing with another because

778
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: we really don't know what the truth is with you

779
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: right now because you are mentally unwell. You don't write anything,

780
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: don't sign anything, and let me talk to your parents,

781
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: try and get your lawyer and find out what to do.

782
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: Maybe are you sure you're not making this up because

783
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: you're under pressure. M got truth the only time I

784
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: can be truthful. And now all I want to do

785
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: live guy, because my life is over? Why? Baby, because

786
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,959
Speaker 1: I don't want to live? No? I mean, why wasn't

787
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: that bad? What I really got bad? Why was it

788
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: that so bad? Not having some money did they could

789
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: provide for you? We kept getting you dead. We were

790
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: ten tho dollars in debt? Why, yes, Beverly Plaza. Oh ship,

791
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: that's another thing, baby, Beverly Plaza. I just didn't pay it.

792
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: We owed them for why for the rent? For all

793
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: of them? Yes? The last month the last three or

794
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: four months, I didn't pay. We got evicted in December.

795
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: We have an eviction. Mm hmm. Anything else that like?

796
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: What about? Is there anything else that I know people

797
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: that I don't know about, m and just Chase and Madison. Yeah?

798
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: Maybe How do you kill yourself? How do you do it? Babe? No?

799
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't live. I can't. I can't live

800
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: at the pussion. That's how you're the punishment? What that's

801
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: how to the punishment. That's the only thing that's saying

802
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: that you think clearly. No, it's not gonna make you

803
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: think clearly. I'm going crazier. I'll make sure you get

804
01:00:55,600 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: psychological help and the best lawyer that I can get you. Baby,

805
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't need a lawyer. I don't need a psychiatrist.

806
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: I need like a pill. I need someone that will

807
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: kill me. Talk to anyone tup to day and up

808
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: to John. Maybe Baby, go to Dave. Let Dave take

809
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: care of you for the time being. Please maybe. I

810
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: love you this and um, you know I'm worry about

811
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: me finding somebody else. Take um. I don't kick anyone

812
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: right now and I will probably never do with anyone again. Baby, No,

813
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: very baby, don't don't do that, please creepy? Yeah, oh god,

814
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: where where is everybody else? What's happening? John and Violet?

815
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: I hear um randomly and then shanged him to get

816
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: the cloudy and found, you know, at the same station.

817
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: So I think they're still outside of Johnah Violence. You're what?

818
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: I think they're still outside of John and Violence? Did

819
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: they know Johnah Violet? Um? They knew everything I knew

820
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: earlier today when I first came out of questioning, and

821
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,479
Speaker 1: they were still very skeptical. They thought you were under

822
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: way too much stress. And then you were endving something

823
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: to cover somebody. M h how him involved. I gave

824
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: him all the stuff to hide a gain in the gun.

825
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: I gave him my cards, I gave the backpack. He

826
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: n he didn't know that I did it. I told

827
01:02:51,280 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: him to dam did it? M h um. And maybe baby, No, no,

828
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: you don't, well you shouldn't. I know what they'll do.

829
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: And that's a lot of things that you're going to learn,

830
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: like going to psychiatry said, you don't have to draw

831
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: the life. I still love you. Why would you want

832
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: to live your life like that? I'm gonna continue to

833
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: live my life. But gonna be in a different ways

834
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: than it would have been. See, I've been honest and

835
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: just normal. I can't they people work for it. Maybe

836
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I can't. I can't be locked up

837
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: at here knowing that I do have you. I can't.

838
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: I'll talk and see what we can do with players

839
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: and see what he would. It's gonna be like they're

840
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: going three minutes sucked on a call though, baby, can

841
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: you put John on the phone. Okay, he's not hearing.

842
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: What do you want to get the done? Mm hm?

843
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: Well I'm sorry, but they here's the other thing that

844
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: I did. Um quickly, lady. I couldn't let Sam's body

845
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: be found, so I cut off his head in his hands,

846
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: on his arm. Are you feeling? Where did you put them?

847
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: They're buried in the nature center? How did you cut them?

848
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: With your parents? Saw an act? When did you wear

849
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: the phone accent? They're at your parents? You're kidding me? No, crazy,

850
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you help. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

851
01:04:53,520 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Mhm. And you are going to give to

852
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: think like a normal person. I'm not sure you do.

853
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure you live and you get

854
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: in there and you get help. Sorry, mm hmmm, I'm

855
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: gonna go over and talk to your parents tonight. SR.

856
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: You talk to your dad. He doesn't know the full

857
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: extent of everything. What did you say? He says, he's

858
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: very hurt and he doesn't know what to do because

859
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: you don't needed them push him away and then all

860
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: come when you need help. But it's pretty serious. So

861
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: it sounds like you need to get him a lawyer. Yeah,

862
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm sorry. I don't know what else to say, baby,

863
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: and I'm in good night. Okay, don't true everything I

864
01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: just told you right now to the opposite gout. I

865
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: love you, I hate let you do, and I know

866
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: you need help that I love you who you actually

867
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: are and not who you're pretending to be and trying

868
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: to be at the moment, the detective that they promised

869
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: that I could see you, Please tell them please try

870
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: try like tell babe, we got that for the loose Okay, please, Okay,

871
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: I love you. If I can't, if I can't see

872
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: you to day, baby, I will see you. It's going

873
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: to be a process that County and I'll call them

874
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: the first can't be to put me to present right now.

875
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: They have paper working so long stuff. I feel like

876
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: I was listening to a taped call between Bonnie and Clyde. Yes, again,

877
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: you can tell, no remorse whatsoever, And I think keeps

878
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: feeding her with some information. She's also and feed him

879
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: with information to again to make it she knows exactly

880
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: what's going on. I mean, there's no reason why you know,

881
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: you're laying on the couch together at one point and

882
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: you don't know that he's got there anymore, watching to

883
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: a movie together. That's just beyond me. She knew exactly

884
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: what was going on, and all the way to the end,

885
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: when you know, you compel again very nonchalantly about it.

886
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: You know, he tells her what he did with Sam's body,

887
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: and you know, you would think that she would come

888
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: on glud or praised about what the heck you chopped

889
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: up the person's body, and none at all. Just I

890
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: still love you, baby, she keeps telling, and it's just

891
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: even slips, he says. When she one of her I

892
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: love you babies. He goes, no, you don't, or you shouldn't.

893
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: He was almost going to say no you don't, because

894
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: I think somewhere he knows that she really doesn't love him.

895
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: The way a future wife is supposed to love husband, right,

896
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: I mean, oh absolutely yeah. And and then I also

897
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: noticed when he said to her, where is everybody? Else?

898
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: Where's John and Violet and David everybody? It's like he was,

899
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: where's my audience? You know, where where are the people

900
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: that I'm that I need to perform for? Right? Because

901
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: the one thing is is that up until this call,

902
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: you never knew where reality stood, right, because he how

903
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: many times did he tell you? I mean, I know

904
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: you guys, I could see through it and appreciated that

905
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: they were all cock and bull stories. But you know,

906
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: it's like the boy that cries wolf. You never know

907
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: when it's real until I think he just unravels, right.

908
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean that's when it seems like he finally gives

909
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: it up. Oh absolutely again, you know you know you're here,

910
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: she is now. I'm just talking for me. If that

911
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: was me, I wouldn't even answer his phone calls anymore

912
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 1: because I was crazy guy that killed people and chopped people.

913
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: Why would I don't even want to call and talk

914
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 1: to him anymore? But she still had to be in

915
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: there talking to him because I think she just wanted

916
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: to make sure that there was no implications on her

917
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: as to any any you know, doing any part of

918
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: the crime whatsoever. I felt like she was placating him.

919
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I agree. I think so too. And you

920
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean, He's trying to tell her all

921
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: these details about how he shot Sam twice and then

922
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: lured Julia up to Sam's department. He's just telling her

923
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 1: the whole story that she already know and and you

924
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: can tell just by the tone of her voice she

925
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: already knows every details. She's just going along with it

926
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: and thrown in a few jacks here and there to

927
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: just to make sure to make it look try to

928
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: make it look like she has no clue as to

929
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: what's going on. But she's just calm everything. Yeah. And

930
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: when she said to him, how did you leave the

931
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: apartment without me seeing? I mean that is she she

932
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: told a gentleman by the name of Daniel hulk Yard

933
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: who was a minister to Dan at the time he

934
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: was incarcerated at the County jail, and she was in

935
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: charge of she was the gatekeeper of who was going

936
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: in to see Dan the first month that he was there.

937
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: So Dan had to Daniel Hulkyard had to go to

938
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: her in order to get see Daniel Wazniak, And at

939
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 1: that moment when he kept pressing her, you didn't see anything,

940
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: You didn't hear anything. You how how could that be?

941
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: You know, the gunshot was just three floors up. You

942
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: were with Dan the whole time, and then he left

943
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: to go upstairs. And she said the only thing that

944
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: she remembers is that she was on when she was

945
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: on the computer responding to an earlier message that Julie

946
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: La Facebook message that Julie left for her about her

947
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,919
Speaker 1: wedding that was coming up, and just to say, oh,

948
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, I look forward to seeing you this summer

949
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,600
Speaker 1: and good crowd. Congratulations on your wedding, and she responded

950
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: back at eleven fifteen. Now, this is what minutes before

951
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: Dan's upstairs about to shoot Julie, and she's responding to

952
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: her saying, oh, thank you so much. I can't wait

953
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 1: to spend the summer with you by the pool. And

954
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: it was like an alibi message, I think. And she

955
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: told Dan Hawkyard that Dan waz nick was standing right

956
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: behind her when she was typing that message. And she

957
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: told you guys, she was fast asleep at one point.

958
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: And then she told you she was in bed with

959
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: her computer, and in fact, a jury foreman told me

960
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: that when they were deliberating, they counted over twenty seven

961
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: lies just in the transcription alone from that interview with

962
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: you that she had with you guys that Thursday morning

963
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: when you brought her in around three four o'clock in

964
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 1: the morning. When you guys are trying, I mean, you

965
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of murders in Costa Mesa, right,

966
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: would you say, on the average maybe two a year. Yeah,

967
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: that's probably about the average expect So here you guys

968
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: are trying. I mean, you have a dead woman's body

969
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: found an apartment, and you're trying to get to the

970
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: bottom of things, and she's she's lying every few minutes,

971
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: and so anyway, that's I thought it was pretty ironic

972
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: when she started this call saying they won't let me

973
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: see you babe. Did they lie to you? Really? That's true,

974
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: that's your problem that the Coast Tomasa police, I see.

975
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it's just ironic, right, It's very ironic.

976
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate that she had a bigger piece in this pie.

977
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: But I'm glad eventually we got some justice for the

978
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: victims and her kind of going where she's going. It's

979
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 1: not enough in my opinion, but it's at least of something.

980
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: It's better than nothing. Well, you can appreciate that. Steve

981
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 1: Hair at the press conference after the sentencing of Rachel

982
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: Buffett that he was extraordinarily frustrated and very grateful to

983
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: to to everyone that worked hard and tirelessly on the case,

984
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 1: but just so frustrated with the system. Yes, yes, yeah,

985
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: sometimes the system is beneficial and sometimes it can be

986
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: real frustrating. Well. Hey, he even made a point if

987
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: she was tried right across the street in federal court,

988
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: she could have received between ten and fifteen years for

989
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: the same charges in the same conviction. So sure you

990
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: know that that was tough on him. The other thing

991
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 1: that I noticed in this call was that she didn't

992
01:13:55,680 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: focus on the heinous murders that he committed, right and

993
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,879
Speaker 1: the details of what he did. She was more focused

994
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: on the lies he told her about their financial situation

995
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: or the girls that he was with. That seemed to

996
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: take priority over these horrific crimes. Yes, and talking about

997
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: the girls, she made a comment, from what I recall,

998
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: was something about, you know, I would have rather like

999
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: you better for that meaning right, he only were with

1000
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 1: three girls, uh, and I was just third one kind

1001
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: of I guess he must have played this to her

1002
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: that one and probably was. Yeah, but just her comments

1003
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: that she's making those were more important to her, and

1004
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: she just kind of blew over the towards the end

1005
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: there when he was explaining to her how he killed

1006
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: Sam and what he did with the dismembering of the body,

1007
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: she didn't really focused on too much. It kind of

1008
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: just went real quick and done. And to me, that

1009
01:14:56,160 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: just tells me again that she already knew was going on.

1010
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 1: She didn't want to be involved, and tried to keep

1011
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 1: everything in any in the generality, and and and try

1012
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: to play with each other on the phone back and

1013
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: forth like like a barney and just like you just said, Well,

1014
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: and she also knew she had a limited time, I

1015
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: guess with the call, and she couldn't be bothered with

1016
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: the details of the murders because she already knew them, right,

1017
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: So it was more it's more about the details she

1018
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: wanted to know about how his lies affected her, The

1019
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 1: finances affected her, the girls affected her. She was a

1020
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: very jealous woman, and the girls would often call the

1021
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: ex girlfriends that remained friends with him, and so that

1022
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: always bothered her, and that was something she wanted to

1023
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of. And and at the very end,

1024
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: she sort of throws him a bone, right, she's trying

1025
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: to maybe say to him, you know, with because you're

1026
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: a pathological liar, even though you confessed all this stuff,

1027
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: no one knows what the truth is because you lie

1028
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: all the time. So now we're going to get you

1029
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: an attorney. And she brings up an attorney at the

1030
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: end of the third call, when he's already blown his wad, Right,

1031
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: he's told you because everything it's like, I mean, I

1032
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 1: don't really really cared that much about what happens to him.

1033
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: At this point, she knows the jig's up and he's

1034
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: going down, and he's gonna cover for her as long

1035
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: as she uh plays her part. That's right, that's right,

1036
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: That's exactly true. And she just she and I agree.

1037
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times when she's advising him

1038
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: of Hey, you know, we're gonna get you an attorney,

1039
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: the best attorney. Hey, we're gonna if we need to

1040
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: go to the metal uh capacity state for you, we're

1041
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: gonna take to that. She's just making it to where

1042
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: he feels somewhat comfortable, like she's there for him. Yes,

1043
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: and by the way she done, she did none of

1044
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: those things that's right, didn't do one thing for him exactly,

1045
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 1: and that's all she cared about was to make sure

1046
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: in the bag is mine. He knows that she's still

1047
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: there for him. And even though he's telling her, don't

1048
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 1: worry about me, I'm dad, don't move on with your life,

1049
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: she's thinking, no, I gotta make sure I'm there because

1050
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: I do not need him to incropate me at all,

1051
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: So I'm there for you. But she's trying to tell

1052
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: him during his conversation. So well, they also have each

1053
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: other that as far as Tim, because I mean I

1054
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: did have several interviews with Tim Wasniak, and he looked

1055
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: me point blank in one of them and said, if

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Speaker 1: Rachel ever gives up my role, then she's going down too.

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Speaker 1: They spent about a week together after Dan was incarcerated

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Speaker 1: and smoked their little uh crystal meth pipes all week long,

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Speaker 1: and we were much to Lisa Gold's dismay, who was

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Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Tim's girlfriend at the time. But I think

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Speaker 1: they worked out whatever arrangement between the two of them

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01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,839
Speaker 1: that they were going to make during that time because

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01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: they were both obviously involved and they knew that they

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Speaker 1: needed to protect one another, and so many people, so

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Speaker 1: many listeners asked me the number one question I get

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Speaker 1: probably is why hasn't Dan rolled over on Rachel? And

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Speaker 1: I always say, because of Tim. He doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: see Tim end up where he is, So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: agree with that also because that's his brother, that's his

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Speaker 1: you know, his bloodline, and he's going to protect him

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Speaker 1: as as far as he can go. And I agree

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Speaker 1: if he am okay, uh, Rachel in anyway, it's going

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Speaker 1: to just start falling downhill from there, right. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you had a chance to watch after

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Speaker 1: this sentencing, Rachel well, actually actually right before the judge

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Speaker 1: um imposed her sentence, she did give Rachel Buffett the

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Speaker 1: chance to speak to the victims families. I don't I

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01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw that or not, but she

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01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: she did say to the families that she wishes Sam

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01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 1: and Julie were still alive, and how she wishes she

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01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 1: never met Dan Wozniak, and how she wishes there was

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01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: something she could have done to prevent the whole thing,

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01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: and I just I know so much now because of

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01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: the podcast. People have come forward and shared with me.

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01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 1: I have one particular person that I called deep throat

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01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: at this point that basically Rachel confessed everything too, and

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01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: that she was involved. She was involved in the planning,

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01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 1: and she knew everything that was going to happen, and

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01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: she spoke about some details that told me she she

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01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: was She saw the scene, she saw Sam's scene where

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01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: Julie was murdered Sam's apartment. Sorry, and uh, details that

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01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 1: are coming up that I just hope because I have

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01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: looked into the law US detective, and you can be

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01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: convicted of accessory after the fact and still be charged

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01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 1: with murder at some point if the evidence comes forward

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01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: to support it. So I hope that, um, you know,

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01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 1: with maybe a new administration, maybe there's a chance for

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01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 1: a second look at this case because Rachel was involved,

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01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: Tim was involved. I even think Noah was involved. I

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01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: don't know if you heard the podcast, the episode with

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01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: the Spaths Kristen and John Spath, but they did come

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01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,879
Speaker 1: to see you guys. I think it was the Monday

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01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: of Memorial Day when they had had a visit from

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01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: Rachel and Noah and Rachel basically came there and she

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01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 1: was already in the bag. She had a two leader

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01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: bottle of vodka in her hand that she was literally

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01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: drinking from the throat, if you can believe it. And

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01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: Noah comes in with an unlit corn pipe like an

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01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: like a prop right, like he's like a professor. And

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01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: he tells John Spath because John and Kristen were the

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01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 1: parents of Brittany Boudrey, and she was the girl, she

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01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: was really the love of Dan's life, and she was

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01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: the girl that Dan dated prior to Rachel and was

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01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: supposed to marry, and and the families went on holidays

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01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 1: and cruises together, and and he was he called them mom,

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01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, Mama, and big guy, right, these were these

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01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: were like parents to him. And they said, we're just

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01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: we can't believe we never saw Dan wes Niack violent

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01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: or have a temper. Were just so shocked. We just

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01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,719
Speaker 1: we can't make heads or tails of it. And Noah

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01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: said to him at that point, oh, I certainly can,

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01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: because we would sit around and plan ways to murder

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Speaker 1: people and get away with it. And uh, that's when

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01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: John said, we felt we had to come to the

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01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 1: Coasta Mesa Police because you know, the conversation continued when

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Speaker 1: when Noah then shared with him that he was a

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01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,959
Speaker 1: co signer on the on the lease for the apartment

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Speaker 1: in Costa Mesa, and Noah's said that he was worried

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01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 1: because he knew that the eviction was eminent, and he said,

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01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: what's going to happen here? Dude, what are you gonna

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01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: do about it? Uh, this is my credit that you're hurting,

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01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: And Dan told him, and Noah then repeated this story

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01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: to John Speth. He said, Dan told me, as long

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01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 1: as I could get four dollars a day, I'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: Well that's exactly what he did. I mean, that's exactly

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Speaker 1: how much money he took out of Sam's account every day.

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01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: And so Noah's telling John Speth his story where he

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01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: would have no knowledge of this information right if he

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01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: wasn't involved and knew what was going on. So I

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01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: think it's just so many more players to look at

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01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: in this case. I just don't think Dan was alone

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01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:49,600
Speaker 1: in doing these crimes. I I I agree with you

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01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: on a lot of that stuff. And you know we

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01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: we and think also felt very much the same when

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01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: I say we are detective at the time this is

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01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: a hard murder at this pointed by itself, but you

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01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: know every day. Initially at that point led the band

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01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: Rozank and we felt the Rachel was definitely involved. We

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01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: we felt then what other players involved, but we just

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01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: didn't have enough at that time, um to move forward

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01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: on charge. Yeah, grow years year and now we had

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01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: a little more on Rachel. I kind of buff it

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01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: at this point in time, but again, there's no statute

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01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: on comicide or murder, so who knows what could happen

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01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: in the future of prime goes on and maybe there's

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01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 1: some other detectives that get involved, and you want to

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01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 1: look at the case again, and he knows what could

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01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:45,719
Speaker 1: happen down the road. Well, I think that would be

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01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 1: certainly a scenario that Steve Hare would be very pleased about,

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01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: because I think I don't think he's ever going to

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01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: have peace until everyone involved pays the price. Sure, Sure,

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01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: I remember talking to Steven numerous times. He felt there

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01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: was definitely more. There's multiple people involved, not just one

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01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 1: or two and and and I a lot of us agree.

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01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: It's just again, we gotta go where the evidence leads us.

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01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: And as we put everything together, and at the time

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01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 1: was definitely one person possibly too, and Rachel has eventually

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01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: got her sentence sing for it and not enough obviously,

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01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 1: but hopefully in time, Like I said, I would hope

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01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: in time, if someone had some time to do it

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01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: and maybe look at it again one more time. Well

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01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: we'll see what they decided to deal over there. And uh,

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01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: it's a great detective there I worked for. I can't complain,

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01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 1: so they've done a really good job. Well, detective. We

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01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: are so grateful for your time today and really do

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01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: appreciate your thoughts on on what you heard these calls.

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01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure you haven't heard heard them in a while,

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01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: so it brought back a lot. And we really do

1179
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,520
Speaker 1: appreciate knowing that we have one of the lead detectives

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01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: in this case uh here with us to help guide

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01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: us through these calls. And thank you so much. Well,

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01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: thank you, you get the great day. You was well

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01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: detected all right? Coming up next on Sleuth, we hope

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01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: you recognize our effort throughout this podcast to shine a

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01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: light on just how justice is dispensed and determined in

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01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: Orange County, California, with the checks and balances a platform

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01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 1: like Sleuth has brought to bear on this subject. There

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01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 1: is now a new da in town. On November six,

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01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 1: the people of Orange County folk and voted in new

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01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:06,600
Speaker 1: d A Todd Spitzer, who dethroned a twenty year incumbent

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01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: in Tony Riconcus. Mr Spitzer one on a platform of

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Speaker 1: cleaning up corruption in the Orange County d A's office.

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Speaker 1: With that, we welcome a timely roundtable discussion with a

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Speaker 1: trio of guests which include Wozniak, defense counsel Scott Sanders,

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01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 1: victim advocate Paul Wilson, who lost his wife of twenty

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01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 1: seven years to Mr Sanders, client Scott to Cry, and

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Speaker 1: a thirty year award winning veteran journalist, Scott Moxley. Mr Moxley,

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01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: through his weekly Moxley Confidential, informs the public by consistently

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Speaker 1: keeping an eye on the political and legal maneuvering taking

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Speaker 1: place in the Orange County justice system. If you enjoyed

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